'WHAT DOES Hillary want?" That question defined the last phase of the nomination contest between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, and it came from pundits, editorial writers, and, finally, from the candidate herself.
"What does Hillary want?" Clinton asked on June 3. Still in her nonconcession mode, she answered by saying, "I want to hear from you," and sent supporters to her website. It seemed she wanted to build support for what else she wanted, whether the vice presidency, help with her campaign debt, a role at the convention, whatever.
Meanwhile, the question had lodged itself over America as evidence of the antifemale bias that has stoked the anger of so many women. Obviously, "What does Hillary want?" is a variant on Sigmund Freud's question, "Was will das Weib?" What does a woman want? Freud claimed not to have found the answer, but, of course, he did: A woman wants to be a man. She is, after all, anatomically incomplete. As Freud's psychoanalytic heirs have shown, his analysis was inadequate. Freud himself knew that, but he raised his question, finally, as a way of blaming on women his own failure to understand women. "The great question that has never been answered," he wrote, "and which I have not yet been able to answer, despite my 30 years of research into the feminine soul, is 'What does a woman want?' "
The question suggests not only that the questioner is a man, but also that he is mystified by the multiplicity of female desires. She wants, as the man sees it, the contradictories of control and submission, erotic expression and maternity, connectedness and freedom. Whatever a man provides, it is not enough. The man who asks the question, in fact, is not asking. He is complaining. Like Freud, he is blaming his inability to meet the needs of women on women. The question, therefore, implies its own answer: A woman wants not to be asked a trick question.
"What does Hillary want?" does something similar.
One need not have been a Clinton supporter to understand how enraging this election campaign has been for women. Men, too, are feminists, and we have felt the antiwoman insult that has fueled so much of the response to Clinton, even as she poured fuel of her own onto the fire that finally burned her chances up. To compensate for the overriding bias that women are not tough enough, for example, she became hypertough. That led into the decisive mistake of her support for the war, which in turn generated the emotional dissonance that made her overriding message ("an experienced leader you can trust") ring hollow. The important point, though, is that even this self-defeating impulse represented her attempt to break out of the prison of misogyny. When it came to the toughness card, the senator was doomed if she played it, and doomed if she didn't.
Barack Obama has had to confront versions of this same dynamic, for racial bias is at least as pervasive as gender bias.
"What does the black man want?" is the question that stirs in white people's hearts on certain streets at night. And, as with women, the black man wants, thank you, not to be asked such an implicitly demeaning question.
It remains to be seen whether Obama will continue to defuse the explosive antiblack bigotry that defines so much of American life. What matters now is to be clear that the antiwoman insult that many Clinton supporters felt came not from the Obama campaign, nor from Obama himself. It came, like bad weather, from the very atmosphere of a civilization rooted in male supremacy. This civilization is rooted, equally, in white supremacy. And, no, that double-edge structure of oppression will not easily be dismantled. If women and blacks are made to see each other as rivals, and even as enemies - as has been the case this long electoral season - whose interest is being served?
Here is the question: What do white men want? And here is the two-fold answer: We want the dominance we've always had; we should want help in leaving it behind, because for us, too, it is a trap.
James Carroll's column appears regularly in the Globe.
© Copyright 2008 The Boston Globe
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Show AllThere's some profound insight in this piece by James Carroll. I'm not surprised it's struck such a nerve.
The answer to Freud's question is simple, it's just that he wasn't equipped to come up with it, given his 19th century mindset. What a woman wants is to be in control of her life. Or, to rephrase, What a woman wants is to have control over her life.
Few white men realize they start from an advantaged position that women and minorities don't share. Few understand that women and minorities are weary of the extra efforts they have to make to convince (at least some) white men that they are just as good.
And here's part of how I -- a white male in his 40s -- gained this insight. I'm weary of the extra efforts I have to make to convince (at least some) women and minorities that I'm neither a male chauvinist pig nor a bigot simply because of my race and gender.
I'm not at all saying mine is an equal burden to the hurdles that women and minorities face. Rather, that similiar presumptions are at work on both sides of the issue.
HRC was an extremely poor example of what Americans need in a leader, regardless of gender. She was also the perfect stereotypical femi-nazi - on a level with Coulter, at least in carrying a chip on her shoulder that could have sunk the Titanic all by itself.
I remember my own mother crying about the abominable conditions under which educated women suffered in the US after WWII - the insulting misogyny, the repression, the pervasive denigration - but she did not become embittered. But then, she had lived through the Nazi occupation and had a bit of perspective that HRC couldn't begin to imagine. Experience counts - and HRC has none of consequence. Perhaps that's her worst blind spot - she has no credible frame of reference on which to build a viable (empathetic) policy based on personal experience. (A philandering husband just doesn't count.) She is petty - like a spoiled child - and prone to throwing tantrums when she doesn't get what she wants. That's why so many people see her as Bush's alter-ego.
As for 'what women want' - that's simple. They want respect for who and what they are, and what they have achieved on their own - HRC rode in on Bill's coat-tails, and that's where she will always be - suffering from a self-inflicted inferiority complex that she's nursed into an obsession.
Frankly, we WILL have a female president eventually, and probably not that far into the future. Personally, I believe Barbara Boxer might have gotten my support before Billary, but as the Stones' lyric goes, "You can't always get what you want". I find none of the potential candidates particularly progressive, and the tie that binds is all three we were proffered by the media's 'selection' process are members of the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), an insidiously dangerous organization intent on enslaving the world.
'New World Order' strike a bell? Here's a quote from a brief, though comprehensive, article that explains the CFR, who their members are/have been, and efforts at world domination dating back to the late 19th century:
"They have lost all morality and conscience, and believe such concepts, as well as our Constitution, "outdated"...THAT is insanity--to have more wealth than can be spent, and still it is never enough. They have to control governments, start wars, conspire to rule the world; least the "common people" wake up to how they have gained their wealth, take it away from them, and demand that they pay the price for their crimes.
That is why they constantly pit us one against the other, with "Diversity," Affirmative Action, and other programs,...black against white, men against women, rural against urban, ranchers against environmentalists, and on and on...least we look in their direction.
We The People are held to a much higher standard. If we threaten the President or a public official, we are charged with a crime...yet the One-World-Gang can threaten the Constitution and the liberties of We The People, the sovereign rulers of this nation, and nothing is said or done.
Perhaps they do not fear what Man can do to them... they believe they have arranged everything, and their power and wealth will prevail in this world. "
Here is the link if you would like to see the full article:
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Council_Foreign_Relations.htm
Once you read this you will understand how we are being totally screwed by having no other choice for president than CFR members, and how there is actually a miniscule difference between Obama, Hillary, or McCain.
More from the well referenced article:
"There is much more to say about this group and their plans for America. Gary Allen, in "The Rockefeller File," states that they are behind the many regional government plans, which would abolish city, county, and state lines, leaving us at the mercy of federal bureaucrats; and behind the push for "land use" controls. They want "federal control of everything. Since they intend to control the federal government..."
There are also the many allegations of involvement in gun running, drug smuggling, prostitution and sex slaves; and the many mysterious assassinations and "suicides" of witnesses and others who get too close to the truth...but that is another story."
It's what we want that should count.
James Carroll may not have the whole thing wrapped up here but he has struck a piece of it. From the number of replies, he's struck a nerve.
I think when I knew that Hillary would compete by proving herself "man" enough to be president was when she, early on, made the case that she would go to war if needed.
I think many female professionals know that they would walk the fine line between pushover and shrill b****. And I think that Hillary has definitely went there. To me, a not so enthusiastic Hillary fan, she looks like a shill for the corporate war machine. But on the other hand, we have the Hillary nut cracker--as in testicle crusher for those who weren't sure how to take that. So we have even worse than the shrill b**** we have the emasculating female.
But Hillary herself often made it about personalities not issues. And I think the successful female presidential candidate will find a way to do keep it about issues...or at least I hope so.
Recent events and statements from the candidate would suggest that what Barack Obama wants is to attack Iran to "protect" Israel, basically keeping us on the same war footing Bush-Cheney have instigated. By implication, Obama seems to want to start WWIII, or IV, or V (who's counting?) so his corporate backers won't think he's a wuss. If he really want to out-Republican the Republicans, where do we get the notion he's a progressive? From our desperate need to find HOPE somewhere, even where there is none to find.
wsws.org website June 9th, 2008 9:13 pm
Don't you think its clear by now that we won't have all our troops out of there for a few years. There was never going to be an immediate wuithdrawal, no matter who was elected.
grumpyoldlady June 9th, 2008 9:39 pm
BEST POST THIS YEAR!!
Don't forget the condoms, insect repellant and sun hat folks.
What about this perspective from Tracy Thompson? http://tinyurl.com/2vwtje
Long live cicadas!
I've been working on a book for 10 years that deconstructs the very premise of the singular (pronoun) "I." In ancient literature the Greek Chorus would respond to an individual's quest for knowledge, or if said individual was facing a cross roads.
The astrological template consists of timeless principles that take on character like the personae from ancient myth. All of these "have voice" in who we are. The healthy person has a relative balance among these voices, like an orchestra that plays in synch. The person diagnosed with a personality disorder, lives in their own civil war as their own interior personae are quite literally at war.
I believe we take on the qualities of time... it's as if Heaven is the great theater and each month it "play" a specific theme. Never is the play quite the same as due to the variable rates of the orbiting planets, the interaction among them (the players) always alters.
So when we ask what Hillary wants... her Athena persona wants power, her Demeter persona wants to be a good mother, if she has any Aphrodite left, she'd want to make Bill satisfied enough that he doesn't try to seduce the next waitress. We all answer to the gallaxy within! Women are more mutable this way then men. There are reasons beyond the biological that tie us to the moon in our menses... I have learned to observe this flow of time both as one who studies the astro-logos and as the person INSIDE the dramas these evoke. All of our experiences are valid, and these tend to express from the interplay of the Divine factors as they express through our egos, emotions, and sometimes higher inspiration.
Next time someone says, "How are you?" You might try answering, "Depends which me you're referring to." As a Moon Dance woman, I say with no irony, there's more than ONE of me operating! It's fascinating to get to know the SELVES that reside on the inside! (And by the way guys, because women move with the moon, thus passing through all signs each and every month; while men are biologically clocked to the sun which from earth's perspective remains in the same sign, i.e. expressing the same unified theme ALL month, this explains why men find women so changeable, and also... was the cosmic solution to polygamy. Societies--rare if at all--that encourage the full panorama of expressive selves in the female provides her with the range to in some respects "take on the glamour" of a number of Goddesses. (That idea belongs to Marion Zimmer Bradley), and in so doing become MORE than one mate to her elected partner. Sure beats all those societies of hetarae! over the centuries...
What does Hillary want? Who cares? It's not about what she wants - or what any other candidate wants. It's about what WE want. Period.
The Presidential election isn't a soap opera. Fuck James Carroll and every other corporate media fuck that's trying to turn it into one.
Why is this drivel on CommonDreams?
I believe Hillary wants to be treated like a decent woman, which she is, and probably never will be as it is a national pastime to run her down.
We could not stand the thought of Hillary making 100 thousand bucks on cattle futures, even though that is a perfectly legitimate way to gain profit by taking risk. If she had lost that amount, she would have been cast as an ignorant fool.
Now we have the opportunity to have a first lady that is worth 100 MILLION thanks to owning one of the largest beer distilling company in the US, and that will no doubt be fine. We also get to watch our administration cash in on the war for oil while common people go broke.
When will our country ever learn to worry about the really important things and forget the trivial?
It was never about Hillary; it is about disgust with Beltway insiders, about lobbyists, about corruption and Hillary is too entrenched in the scene. Obama won't make "change" by himself; we have to enable him by cleaning house in Washington this November. Every congressman/woman who voted for the Iraq war and/or the Patriot Act should be run out of town.
We need a new congress as well as a new president.
Hillary wants to follow in Lyndon Bains Johnson's footsteps...
Hillary wants to be George W Bush...but with a bigger dick
voxclemantis -
"Siouxrose - I'm surprised at you! Would your mother want you hanging out with grumpyoldlady?"
Hey! No disparagement of grumpy old ladies! Although I admit it's been a long time since I got nekkid and romped in the blueberry patch, it's just like riding a bicycle!
-- Bill Clinton, who Signed the 1996 Telecommunications Act, which put more and more power into the hands of fewer and fewer media giants. The Bill also gave away – repeat: GAVE AWAY! FREE OF CHARGE – to these media giants 50 billion dollars worth of government-owned digital spectrum rights.
-- Signed less progressive legislation than Richard Nixon.
-- In 1996, signed the so-called Welfare Reform Act, which caused hundreds of thousands of men, women and children to fall below into poverty; America now having the highest rate of poverty and the highest rate of childhood poverty of any advanced industrialized country.
-- Presided over a systematic shift of wealth from the poor and the middle class to the wealthy – an "upward shift of wealth" that, to date, is greater than any other shift of wealth IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD!
-- Signed the Anti-Terrorist Act, the precursor to the Patriot Act; the latter in large part written by Democrats, chief among them John Kerry.
Howard Dean (2004) -- Expertly bought off by the Democratic mainstream! Now put out to pasture as the head of the DNC. … Do you remember his antiwar stance? The one where he never mentioned *Iraqi* casualties, now numbered at well over one million. See the following, "Iraq Death Toll 'Above Highest Estimates'" http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/06/02/9363/ … Howard Dean -- some peace candidate!
Then came Obama. Wot a guy! I mean, come on, why dwell of unpleasantness, like, you know, his voting record. See the following, "The Obama Craze; Count Me Out" -- http://www.counterpunch.org/gonzalez02292008.html
I mean, come on, what does a candidate's voting record have to do with the kind of president he'll make.
Yes, all these Democratic saviors, going back almost a half-century. And, in that half-century, why is it that the political consensus has moved so radically to the right?
ANSWER: Can you spell c-o-m-p-l-i-c-i-t-y? ... With the Republicans. ... Can you spell e-n-a-b-l-e-r-s of the Republican agenda?
Jimmy Carter (1976): "The Outsider," who rode into town on his white horse, post-Watergate, to make Washington pure again. (NOT!)
Ted Kennedy (1980): A profile in courage? NOT!
Jesse Jackson (1988): Some savior! … Now hopelessly in love with Corporate America.
… Also sat with Bill Clinton during Monicagate, praying. (His genuflection to Corporate America has paid off handsomely -- for him! However, still no soundbyte from the Almighty on the adultery "Hound Dog" Bill -- and then latter Reverend Jesse his own self -- committed.
Paul Tsongas (1992): Oh but surely you jest!
Bill Clinton (1992): America's finest Republican supporter!
-- Sold out what remained of the Democrats New Deal coalition.
-- Succeeded beautifully in Republicanizing the Democratic Party.
-- During his presidency, in off-year Congressional elections, the Democrats lost more Senate seats, more House of Representatives seats, more governorships and more state legislatives seats than during any other Democratic administration.
-- Was president for 8 years of the economic sanctions against Iraq -- sanctions that killed over a million Iraqi civilians. Quoting form the following article, "Democracy Now! Confronts Madeline Albright on the Economic Sanctions: Was It Worth the Price" --
"During his presidency, Bill Clinton presided over the most devastating regime of economic sanctions in history that the UN estimated took the lives of as many as a million Iraqis, the vast majority of them children." Click here for the entire article: http://www.democracynow.org/2004/7/30/democracy_now_confronts_madeline_a...
(Continued)
If Obama selects Hillary Clinton as his running mate, watch how her pro-War vote will be conveniently rationalized away by all those "cruise-missile-liberals" who see Obama as their next Boy Wonder.
Speaking of Democratic Boy Wonders ... how's 'bout we take a little stroll down Memory Lane.
JFK (1960): Alas, what a difference *that* Boy Wonder would have made. (NOT!)
"Bobby" (1968): Oh, what a difference *he* would have made! (NOT!)
-- Bobby Kennedy, the Cold Warrior in charge of getting the CIA to bump off Fidel Castro.
-- Bobby Kennedy, the former aid (along with Brother Jack) to that great American, "Tailgunner Joe" McCarthy.
-- Bobby Kennedy, the man who with Brother Jack continued the Vietnam War. Then, opportunistically, opposed it.
For more on Bobby the Bullshitter, see John Pilger's article, "After Bobby Kennedy There Was Barack Obama." Quoting from that article:
"(Bobby Kennedy's) vacuities are familiar. Obama is his echo. Like Kennedy, Obama may well 'chart a new direction for America' in specious, media-honed language, but in reality he will secure, like every president, the best damned democracy money can buy.
"As their contest for the White House draws closer, watch how, regardless of the inevitable personal smears, Obama and McCain draw nearer to each other. They already concur on America's divine right to control all before it. 'We lead the world in battling immediate evils and promoting the ultimate good,' said Obama. 'We must lead by building a 21st-century military . . . to advance the security of all people [emphasis added].' McCain agrees. Obama says in pursuing 'terrorists' he would attack Pakistan. McCain wouldn't quarrel. …
"On the war in Iraq, Obama the dove and McCain the hawk are almost united. McCain now says he wants US troops to leave in five years (instead of '100 years', his earlier option). Obama has now 'reserved the right' to change his pledge to get troops out next year. 'I will listen to our commanders on the ground,' he now says, echoing Bush." Click here for the entire article http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/31/9327/
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voxclamantis June 9th, 2008 7:24 pm
Fair accessment. Though I wish the Hillary haters would let up. She may have her uses for Obama. As you say, he may be no better.....but think of 4 years of McCain and Hillary isn't that squeaky.
I've had enough of the radicals, lets not help them win again.
Siouxrose - I'm surprised at you! Would your mother want you hanging out with grumpyoldlady?
Arvy has got it right. Hillary lost and needs to go sit down now. Back by the coat room with Humphrey and Dukakis and Dole and Whatzisname and those other people. I for one want to forget the Clintons, both of them. They were not monumentally evil or particularly any good - just mediocre and disappointing and banal and back-of-the-curve. Maybe Obama is not much better, and of course we still have John McCain and Bill O'Reilly et al to annoy us with their terminal wrongness, but the blessed disappearance of Hillary will be like having a squeaky hinge repaired.
DUBET: I like forests, (do Yoga inside one almost daily), and just made up a song for my grandson that he requests my singing when he's tethered to the lawful car seat if we have to drive anywhere... it starts with "And the sun goes down..."
DUBET: About "those hours" added to the magic weed... can I get on the list, too?
dubet -
That's more like it! Count me in!
The scary thing is that we're hearing a majority of Dems would like to see her on the ticket. How could that be?
Sort of shakes your faith in democracy.
grumpyoldlady...what I really want, speaking for myself, is to be walking naked through a forest on a warm sunny day, grazing wild vegetation, drinking wild water, smoking wild cannabis and making up a song...then, to come to a clearing where I suddenly find myself face to face with a lovely and natural woman, perhaps yourself, also naked...we share the cannabis, sing the song a couple of times, then we make love for hours...
------------ WHAT HILLARY WANTED ------------
ANNOUNCER: Ladies and gentlemen, this is your roving reporter, Irving Invertebrate. ...
Hillary Clinton is about to begin this hastily called news conference. We have no idea what she's going to say but her handlers have told us that she's about to divulge information that may *salvage* her run for the presidency. ... Ladies and gentlemen, Senator Hillary Clinton.
HILLARY CLINTON: My fellow Americans, I'll get right to the point. My husband, Bill Clinton, who as you can see is standing right next to me, is a hopeless dickhead. By finally admitting this all-too-obvious fact, I'm hoping that my campaign for president will be revived and eventually successful.
(Thunderous applause!)
I realize now that during the Monica Lewinsky affair, many of you were turned off by my standing by this useless piece of ****.
(BILL smiles, obligingly.)
Many of you felt that I stayed with my husband for selfish, opportunistic reasons. WELL, OF COURSE I DID! Jesus H. Christ, any idiot with an IQ greater than their shoe size could have figured that one out. (Ponders what she just said; then, thinking out loud): On the other hand, there sure are a lot of idiot votes out there. (Turns to her husband.) Right, Goober?
BILL CLINTON: Sure are, honey-bunch.
(HILLARY pats BILL on the head; gives him a Milk Bone Dog Biscuit): Good boy! (Turns back to the audience): Now, as I was saying. This sorry excuse for a human being, I want everybody to know, especially the superdelegates, is a disgrace. True, loyal, upright Americans would never stand for his heartless behavior as a husband. The only thing he's interested in getting upright is his you-know-what.
(BILL, blushing): That's right, honey-bunch.
HILLARY: Sure, I put up with this philandering pig-dog for over 20 years, but that's because I figured it would get me a shot at The Big Enchilada. But now that I'm up Sheboegans' Creek without a paddle, I'm changing course, baby, and pronto! Fact is, I'm so desperate for votes, I'm actually gonna try telling the truth. And starting with this putz. (Eyes BILL up and down): Sheesh! Look at him. The guy's a card-carrying hound dog. Am I right?
(The CROWD screams their approval!)
Why, this pussy-boy isn't worth a bucket of warm you-know-what. And I don't mean piss.
Let's face it, he's a dickhead; and today, before God and Mickey Rooney, I want all the world to know!
(After the applause dies down, BILL leans into the microphone, smiling): That's right, folks, I'm no good. And I can prove it.
(HILLARY throws BILL another biscuit): Good boy, Fido. (Turns back to the CROWD): And so, my fellow Americans, I'm kicking this bum out, hoping of course that by doing so I will have finally earned the trust and respect–
(BILL interrupts): and gullibility.
HILLARY: --and gullibility of the American people. Then, if I win the nomination and then the presidency, Bill and I can go back to being the lowlife shysters you all know and want us to be.
(Raucous cheers; the CROWD goes nuts!!!)
Thank you. Thank you, crowd. Because let's face it, (pauses dramatically) without power behind us, slimeballs like Bill and me are nothing but obnoxious s***s. Right, Bill?
BILL: That's right, honey-bitch.
HILLARY: WHAT???!!!
BILL: Err, I mean, honey-bunch.
Dammit I wish some of you would stop saying what THE REST OF US want! I'd like to speak for myself.
And I LIKE Hillary! Always will. So there.
Bite me.
(Phew. That felt good.)
dubet -
"what everyone in America wants is to be able to continue to purchase and consume energy and products as we are accustomed, without having to admit we are killing all life on the planet to do it…hmmmm…"
Um...I don't want that. Speak for yourself.
This article may have made some sense if it was in fact written about a real woman, but Hillary is not the least bit representative of real women . . .
And even then it circumvents the question because what real women want is not the least bit difficult to understand unless for your own reasons you do not wish to understand it :
Real women want to be able to unconditionally trust those with whom they choose to share their lives. That's it. So simple.
Hillary ("I have no plans to run for President") is not trustworthy, plus she conflates her 'wants' with that of the country's needs in order to justify her behavior. Very 'masculine' of her. No thanks.
"That led into the decisive mistake of her support for the war..."
Apparently it has escaped Mr. Carroll's perspicuity that Barack Obama also voted to fund the war in Iraq every time it has come up for a vote ever since he was elected to the Senate.
For those naive enough to still believe there was NO sexism involved in the campaign, check this out (and be prepared to HOWL with laughter - something we all / left AND right / need more of):
http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=171493
what everyone in America wants is to be able to continue to purchase and consume energy and products as we are accustomed, without having to admit we are killing all life on the planet to do it...hmmmm...
This is the primary reason for HRC's failure to capture the nomination. That is, the assumption that anyone cares what she wants. Or for that matter, what Obama wants.
The question which begs not only an answer but even to be ASKED is what do the American people want? "Government for the people, by the people, and of the people......"
Why was the question even asked, though?
Because Clinton was tiptoed around--what she wanted was to be president, and she kept stamping her foot when she couldn't get it. She not only made women appear irrational and emotionally unstable, she was delusional and finally she had to be told despite of her wanting what she wanted.
No one could belive the fairyland she was operating in and who was going to confront her.
It was truly surreal to witness and sometimes i think people have this fascination with the humiliation of it all.
Vern, you are SO right about Hillary!
But let's give James Carroll credit for understanding us better than most men: "[the male questioner] ...is mystified by the multiplicity of female desires. She wants, as the man sees it, the contradictories of control and submission, erotic expression and maternity, connectedness and freedom. Whatever a man provides, it is not enough. The man who asks the question ... is complaining. Like Freud, he is blaming his inability to meet the needs of women on women. The question, therefore, implies its own answer: A woman wants not to be asked a trick question."
Bravo, James!
What a crock! Hillary Clinton lost because the voters didn't want many of things that Hillary Clinton wants. In other words, democracy defeated her. Simple as that.
I wish someone would be bold enough in the media to just splatter on
all the stations what each candidate has voted for in the past. Every single vote. And then let them debate that. They avoid it so bad it's silly.
Clinton supports the Patriot Act, the War, WTO, and NAFTA
Who really knows what Obama supports since he takes a lot of no votes
And McCain can't remember what he votes on. Which is why he supports the everglades yet denied them funding.
I think that Hilllary has acted like a spoiled brat that didn't get her way. At the start of the primary, I was open-minded about all the candidates. But Hillary lost my respect by the nasty way she ran her campaign against Barrack Obama. She and Bill have done nothing but ruin their legacy and divide the Democratic party at a crucial time in American history. Shame on them.
I am so, so, so NOT into this framing by Carroll.
Only to the extent that Carroll inadvertently acknowledges what a monumental ego trip running for president on the War Party ticket is does this article do a service to democracy.
What ISSUES are at stake between Clinton and Obama? Even a full year ago, when this onslaught by BIG MONEY to get our attention began, that was the only relevant question in the campaign that never stops. Enough! Let's vote.
Vote THIRD party. Force the War Party to capitulate to peace with justice and healthcare as a right. There is no other way to change the equation in our country. Volunteer to be a poll watcher. Make sure your ballot procedures are above reproach.
WHERE??????
Where is the anti-woman bias, the sexism? The Right-wing nut job nutcrackers? Where are the concrete examples? Because all I hear--and keep this in mind, I am a 53 year old white woman, are these politically correct statments sans evidence--as some political cover for Clinton against any criticism. This is bullshit, the Clintons threw the sexism (like the anti-semitic charge) out there simply to exploit it, while they themselves were busy appealing to the lowest common denominators of racism, et al--because it was Clinton who pandered to the bigots who were willing to vote for a white woman over a darker skinned man. It is almost as if everyone virally agreed to play along with this latest Clinton scenario of sexism --either in appealing to Reagan Democrat women--or just to console and stroke the poor little girl Clinton, so she doesn't act out like a spoiled princess and ruin it for everyone.
Not me, she gets NO RESPECT from this woman, who judges people on the content of their character...