The Iran Trap
The failure by Barack Obama to chart another course in the Middle East, to defy the Israel lobby and to denounce the Bush administration's inexorable march toward a conflict with Iran is a failure to challenge the collective insanity that has gripped the political leadership in the United States and Israel.
Obama, in a miscalculation that will have grave consequences, has given his blessing to the widening circle of violence and abuse of the Palestinians by Israel and, most dangerously, to those in the Bush White House and Jerusalem now plotting a war against Iran. He illustrates how the lust for power is morally corrosive. And while he may win the White House, by the time he takes power he will be trapped in George Bush's alternative reality.
We need to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. We need to stay the hand of Israel, which is building more settlements-including a new plan to put 800 housing units in occupied East Jerusalem-and imposing draconian measures to physically break the 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza. We need, most of all, to prevent a war with Iran.
House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers, in a letter to President Bush on May 8, threatened to open impeachment proceedings if Bush attacked Iran. The letter is a signal that planning for strikes on Iran is under way and pronounced.
"Our concerns in this area have been heightened by more recent events," Conyers wrote. "The resignation in mid-March of Admiral William J. 'Fox' Fallon from the head of U.S. Central Command, which was reportedly linked to a magazine article that portrayed him as the only person who might stop your Administration from waging preemptive war against Iran, has renewed widespread concerns that your Administration is unilaterally planning for military action against that country. This is despite the fact that the December 2007 National Intelligence Estimate concluded that Iran had halted its nuclear weapons program in the fall of 2003, a stark reversal of previous Administration assessments."
The administration, in rhetoric that is eerily similar to that used to build the case for a war against Iraq, asserts that the Iranian Quds Force is arming anti-American groups in Iraq and providing them with high-tech roadside bombs and sophisticated rockets. It dismisses the National Intelligence Estimate conclusion that Iran suspended its nuclear weapons program. The White House has not provided evidence to back up its claims. I suspect it never will. And when Israel's Deputy Prime Minister Shaul Mofaz tells the Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth an attack on Iran is "unavoidable" if Tehran does not halt its alleged nuclear weapons program, what he is really telling us is we should prepare for war.
Conyers' threat is too little too late, especially if the Bush White House, possibly assisted by Israel, launches airstrikes on some or all of 1,000 selected Iranian targets in the final weeks of the administration. But it is an effort. Conyers tried.
This is more than we can say for the presumptive Democratic nominee. Obama went before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) on Wednesday and said he will stand with the right-wing Israeli government, even if this means backing an attack on Iran.
"As president I will use all elements of American power to pressure Iran," he said. "I will do everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Everything."
Obama went on to blame the Palestinians for the conflict, although the ratio of Palestinians to Israelis killed in 2007 was 40 to 1. This is an increase from 30 to 1 in 2006 and 4 to 1 in 2000-2005.
"I will bring to the White House an unshakable commitment to Israel's security. That starts with ensuring Israel's qualitative military advantage, ..." Obama told AIPAC. "I will ensure Israel can defend itself from any threat, from Gaza to Tehran. ..."
Obama spoke about Israelis whose houses were damaged by the crude rockets, most made out of old pipes, fired from Gaza on Israeli towns. He never mentioned the Israeli siege of Gaza, the world's largest open-air prison, or that Israel was deploying fighter jets and helicopters to attack densely crowded refugee camps with missiles and iron fragmentation bombs or that it had cut off food and fuel. He ignored the steady expansion of Jewish settlements on Palestinian land. He called for Jerusalem to become the "undivided capital" of the Jewish state, erasing Arab East Jerusalem from the map in contravention of international law. East Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip are internationally recognized as occupied Palestinian territories, which Israel took over in 1967. Obama's stance is the moral equivalent of assuring the Johannesburg government during the apartheid era that one would support their repressive efforts to punish the restive blacks in the townships.
The deterioration of the conflict in Israel, which would be accelerated by airstrikes on Iran and an ensuring regional war, will propel us into the Armageddon-type scenario in the Middle East relished by the lunatic fringes of the radical Christian right. And so, with Obama's enthusiastic endorsement, we barrel toward a Dr. Strangelove self-immolation. No one will be able to say we did not go out with a spectacular show of firepower, gore and death. Our European and Middle Eastern allies, who are numb with consternation over our death spiral, are frantically trying to reach out to Tehran diplomatically.
The instant we attack Iran, oil prices will double, perhaps triple. This price increase will devastate the American economy. The ensuing retaliatory strikes by Iran on Israel, as well as on American military installations in Iraq, will leave hundreds, maybe thousands, of dead. The Shiites in the region, from Saudi Arabia to Pakistan, will see an attack on Iran as a war against Shiism. They will turn with rage and violence on us and our allies. Hezbollah will renew attacks on northern Israel. And the localized war in Iraq will become a long, messy and protracted regional war that, by the time it is done, will most likely end the American empire and leave in its wake mounds of corpses and smoldering ruins.
The Israeli leadership, like the Bush White House, is increasingly bellicose and threatening. The Israeli prime minister, after a 90-minute meeting with Bush in the White House on Wednesday, said the two leaders were of one mind. "We reached agreement on the need to take care of the Iranian threat," Ehud Olmert said. "I left with a lot less questions marks [than] I had entered with regarding the means, the timetable restrictions and American resoluteness to deal with the problem. George Bush understands the severity of the Iranian threat and the need to vanquish it and intends to act on the matter before the end of his term in the White House."
This time around, unlike about the war with Iraq, the Washington bureaucracy, loathed by the Bush White House, did not remain silent and complicit. The National Intelligence Estimate on Iran's nuclear program released last Dec. 3 distinguished Iran's enrichment of uranium at Natanz and Arak from its formal nuclear weapons program, which it said had halted in 2003 after the American invasion of Iraq. Adm. Fallon, who put his country and his integrity before his career, spoke out against a war with Iran, tried to stop it and lost his job as the head of CENTCOM. He has been replaced with Gen. David H. Petraeus, whose devotion to his career admits no such moral impediments.
" ... There is no greater threat to Israel or peace than Iran," Obama assured AIPAC. "This audience is made up of both Republicans and Democrats. And the enemies of Israel should have no doubt that regardless of party, Americans stand shoulder to shoulder in support of Israel's security. ... The Iran regime supports violent extremists and challenges us across the region. It pursues a nuclear capability that could spark a dangerous arms race and ... its president denies the Holocaust and threatens to wipe Israel off the map. ... [M]y goal will be to eliminate this threat."
Barack Obama, when we need sane leadership the most, has proved feckless and weak. He, and the Democratic leadership, is as morally bankrupt as those preparing to ignite our funeral pyre in the Middle East.
Chris Hedges, who graduated from Harvard Divinity School and was for nearly two decades a foreign correspondent for The New York Times, is the author of "American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America."
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103 Comments so far
Show AllWanna know the truth? The Democrats are scared sh%$#less because they know the truth about 9/11. And anybody who knows the truth about 9/11 SHOULD be scared #$$^$.
Let's not play games with our freedoms of speech. There's just some boxes you don't open. Blackbeard is lurking.
The scary thing is, this guy actually knows what he's talking about.
I have a 5 letter word. And I'm surprised by Obama's remarks - as he was recently endorsed by the Peace-monger Jimmy Carter.
This word is P - E - A - C - E
All we are sayin' ...is give P - E - A - C - E a chance.
When will prime-time politicians start using this word? Why couldn't Obama simply say "there are currently many barriers in the way of Peace, and it is for Peace ultimately, that all nations must strive" OR whatever highfalutin rhetoric you wish.
I mean would be really upsetting to all the Israelis if Obama simply said, "The current issues facing this region are simple, there are those who stand for peace and those who act violently. It should be our duty, as world leaders, to convince and implore those who would act violently, to seek peaceful reproach."
Do you get me? Does anyone at least, get what I'm saying? David Halberstam said shortly before his death something to the effect of, "it's time to not just end the war in Iraq, but to end the idea of War itself. and to recognize as a species, we can be better than war."
Does anyone feel me here? I mean - does this 5 letter word really scare those people over there? I live in America, someone englighten me, I'm very complacent - I'm very
easily made satisfied - the most angry I get is at PHONY ASS NBA GAMES - which I hereby officially boycott.
poopdeck:
The anti-war, anti-occupation movement in Iraq, huge as it is, can be crushed if the occupiers have no restraints on the level of force they can use and "collateral damage" they can allow. The Iraqi people are going to need our support, strongly and soon, as will the people of Iran.
We seem, feel and to some extent are "irrelevant" because of lack of media coverage. So one of our most urgent tasks is to break free from dependence on the Establishment-controlled media for communication with the millions and for validation of what we are doing. This will require convincing the millions that they need alternative sources, can't rely on the menu their cable company provides. We need to be urgently exploring and talking about how to achieve this media breakout.
Time is short and the hour is late.
hollow i agree with you but it seems like you are preaching to the choir here .... all im saying is a lot of us just cant get up and leave ... we dont have the economic capacity to upend our lives and start over in a new country ... we have families , kids, schools and a constantly declining dollar to deal with. Given the consequences what we can do is try and fight the system as much as we can. I live in the most liberal pocket in the country and going to Canada is like going to another white mans land thats marginally more progressive than the U.S. (imagine a bunch of Clinton liberals lecturing the world).... there is only that much B.S. i can swallow in a year.
riddimboy:
Look right now over 60% of Americans are against the direction the USA is going. It is like Americans feel they can only make a change in direction every 2 or 4 years. That is wrong but I don't see anything happening. The Dems are in a posistion to stop all funding for Iraq, the way Vietnam was stopped. They don't and continue to support an invasion that has sunk the US. I just said one day in the last couple years I had enough and have given up on America. No healthcare, no jobs, 7 trillion in debt, uncontrolled pollution, kick backs, paid off elected officials that don't do as the people who put them there ask. America in the last 7 years has become the largest 3rd world country on the planet. You look at any country the US points its blood stained fingers at that has a dictator , secret police, uncontrolled military spending, people starving in the streets, unable to help in the face of natural disaster. Need I say more about some 3rd world country or am I talking about America??
Lots of luck with the future of America, it is in your hands now.
riddimboy=
well i did say it was hard to accept....more tea vicar???
i do apologise for this uncouth american he does rather appear to have abandoned all hope of rational thought in favour of macho agression..not unlike his government..
i'm having a laugh for gawds sake ..wake up...
ChrisB -- "they have nothing but contempt for the person weilding that gun ... this is something i don't believe americans have ever been able to understand…hard as that is to accept"
And the English of course have mastered the art of 'understanding' the natives ... after hundreds of years of benevolent imperialism. Nothing grates as mush as a pompous ass English fuck pontificating to Americans.
Just a suggestion: while everybody is busy holding Obama's feet to the fire, someone ought to keep an eye on his hands.
Obama cut loose his preacher and church, so maybe it will be the same with all the special interests and establishment crazies that have bought a piece of him. I'm not sure these actions inspire moral confidence in him, at least not in the first instance.
We, as small time supporters (donors and voters) also own a small share of the "great presidential product" and thus must hold his feet to the fire (as he has asked us to do) to forge him onto the path of peaceful progressive social responsibility.
Almost nobody seems to understand that the "antiwar movement" of the USA has become almost irrelevant. The real antiwar movement is now in Iraq (Baghdad)where thousands of Sunnis and Shiites jointly and peacefully demonstrate against the monstrous US-Iraq Security Pact that is intended to replace the equally monstrous UN mandate which expires at the end of this year. The feckless American "antiwar movement" will never get us out of Iraq but these Iraqis will! If the American "antiwar movement" has any sense of direction left it needs to shed its provincialism now, stop to anesticize itself with Obama's hot air, realize that it is powerless (step 1 for all addictions), and begin to support those Iraqis who detest our Imperialism by demanding that the Senate stop wasting its time with the McClellan-nonsense but hold hearings instead on Bush's negotiations with al-Maliki with the objective of scuttling it. I believe that Senator Clinton has once threatened to do just that. Come on Hillary! Return to the Senate and make good on your threat!
Hedges doesn't prefer McCain to Obama. Hedges would like Obama not to be like McCain. Many voters have given up on the Democratic Party, it's selling out, back stabbing and using the electorate to win elections only to throw us over the cliff. No. There is no "argument" in "favor of McCain", but there certainly exist arguments against "Obama". Big and important arguments. Run Ralph. Run!
Mr. Chris Hedges, Sir!
Here's what I don't get. You're writing about the mideast, about Bush being ready to attack Iran this year, about Israel being ready, and Iran being ready to counterattack which will mean regional disaster and global economic disaster at least. Very good. The situation is terrible, you are quite right.
What I don't get is why the overarching theme of your essay is therefore an attack on Barack Obama, as if the situation being as you describe it, we would prefer Mr. McCain to win the White House. Even if your view is that there is no reason to prefer either Mr. Obama or Mr. McCain, still, I don't understand then your obesssion with denouncing Obama at the beginnning and end of your otherwise compelling account of the present dangerous moment between the US, Iran, Iraq, etc. If the presidential election is irrelevant, why mention it in this story? Doesn't it distract from what is real?
Or are you really hoping desperately that Obama will take some forthright action to forestall Bush from launching this next war? That he'll ask for another chance to speak before AIPAC, and this time tell them he is sickened by Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and alarmed by the belligerent madness of those calling for war with Iran? That would really put Bush back into his cage, eh?
It doesn't seem that you really hope Obama will do something like this. In fact, it doesn't seem you have any hope left at all. Maybe that's why you decide to just see if you can't burst Obama's hope-inflated balloon, out of pure spite, out of bitterness? I hope not, but I know your eyes have seen horrors whose imagining is enough to defeat me, so perhaps a bitter fatalism is all you have left?
No, I would rather believe that you are as afraid as any of us that the situation may be as you describe it, on the precipice of something much more terrible. I don't think it will happen if it does not happen before Obama can take office, but that is still a long enough time away.
I do think that January 2009 will come one way or another, and hopefully we will survive until then, and whatever may have happened by that point, I do think it is preferable that the man taking the oath of office be Obama rather than McCain. It does seem to me that the realities described in your article, Mr. Hedges, add to the urgency of this. They certainly make no argument I can fathom in favor of McCain.
Just when we get a slight breeze of optimism about our politics and how Obama might change them and possibly the world, we have cries of new alarm. Yes, there is a chance bushco could attack Iran, or, more likely, use Israel to do the dirty work, since our military has been decimated. Yes, the consequences would be terrible. But this is not the only possibility. The human race has always lived with great and grave threats...and survived. Not only survived, but advanced. We are on the brink of both inconceivable disaster and a new world that exceeds our current hopes. Please believe that we as individuals, in thought as much as deed, have a lot to do with which of the two possibilities we will experience. Fear is an intoxicant. Avoid it and all thoughts that appear "rational" but are weakness and powerlessness in disguise.
One has to applaud Mordecai Shiblikov's ever so perceptive observations on American death wish in one of these threads yesterday.
George W. Bush's Raptures of the deeply disturbed are typical of all of his misguided obsessions. Hillary Clinton's wish to obliterate Iran was really a wish (successful) to obliterate herself. John McCain's chronic rant about the Armageddon he says will occur if we withdraw from Iraq can never quite comprehend that the Armageddon of our staying surely is worse. Barack Obama's one-sidedness against Palestine and Iran-- his Bay of Pigs already?-- needlessly provokes essentially benign peoples as well while promoting the likelihood of World War III and $12-a-gallon American gas-- just the most immediate of a hundred grim and sure results.
Not much to add to what's been posted, but I DID enjoy rebelnow's comment. I remain perplexed about the "flanking maneuvers", which amount to giving Obama carte blanche to pander to consituencies as necessary to win the election.
It's worth noting (again) that supporters don't go as far as to suggest that we simply treat Obama's public remarks as though every day is Opposite Day for him, i.e. that we can shrewdly infer that he means the opposite of what he's actually saying.
Because supporters also give Obama points for his unique determination to reach out to all sides of polarized constituencies-- because, like a bridge over troubled waters, he will lay him down. Barack is shrouded in a semi-permeable membrane of Hope and Trust, and whether an observer is inside or outside of this membrane determines just what the observer observes.
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rebelnow June 9th, 2008 2:28 pm
Yes but the Obama advocates will tell us "politically naive" sceptics, that these remarks by Obama are "flanking maneuvers" in order to garner the necessary support, and that we doubters are drinking "battery acid", or that we must not have seen an election before. Sober up.
The rich run our country, that's the way it has always been and the way it is going to continue to be. Best we get over it or actually DO something about it.
Veteran, '66-68
riddimboy
"Are you talking about the Aboriginal population or the white Australians ? As far as I know the Australians like the English are our bitches. They'll bend over any which way we choose and are totally gung-ho about war and violence and oppression like their English and American cousins."
i'd laugh but unfortunately that view is not untypical amoungst americans...even if the view was expressed "tongue in cheek"
which shows the lack of scope in the american imagination..
either one is a
"bitch bending over any way we choose"
or
they are the enemy....
yes well..gun culture will do that to your brain....when you point a gun at some-one with half a brain...do not under any circumstances what-so-ever delude your self that that person respects anything other than the gun itself....
they have nothing but contempt for the person weilding that gun...this is something i don't believe americans have ever been able to understand...hard as that is to accept
Will the American people accept an attack against Iran?
Surely that would require another terrorist attack? Time to pick a date that sticks in peoples' minds...
Barack Obama, when we need sane leadership the most, has proved feckless and weak.
Well, unelected he won't be of any use to mitigate this insaity ......... so go pander to the Jews and religious nutcases, Barack.
I think Obama will be a better president than he is a presidential candidate, and am willing to put up with less than perfect positions now, so he can become that.
Chris Hedges -- "The Shiites in the region, from Saudi Arabia to Pakistan, will see an attack on Iran as a war against Shiism. "
Actually Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are majority Sunni muslims whereas the muslim population in India is mostly Shia, but these disticntions will disappear in the event of an attack against Iran.
It will also place us in direct contrast with Nazi Germany with our client states (UK and Israel) being the equivalent of wartime Japan and Italy.
ChrisB -- "yet they have not developed the same world view as the USA"
Are you talking about the Aboriginal population or the white Australians ? As far as I know the Australians like the English are our bitches. They'll bend over any which way we choose and are totally gung-ho about war and violence and oppression like their English and American cousins.
I wasn't too optimistic about Barak Obama's stance on Israel, but after his ass-kissing of the Apaic just a few days ago, we can only expect more of the same for the Middle East. As far as that part of the world is concerned, business will be as usual, no matter who will get his four years in the White House.
And I really don't believe Barak is just biding his time and, once president of the US, will set out a new road-map to peace.
hollowpoint -- "Get out before the WH kills you or your children"
We need to stay here to try and prevent the WH from killing 'their' children.
rosross June 9th, 2008 9:39 pm: "One can only surmise that the Jewish lobby has some amazing 'photos'on just about everyone. Blackmail is the only way that so many people can be silenced so often."
Note that Israel is quite often caught spying inside the US. The spies are caught and sent home. Food for thought.
curmudgeon99 June 9th, 2008 6:45 pm
I am still taking August 15 in the pool of Iran strike dates!
I'm taking October 4. The "October Surprise".
The #1 reason to resist attacks on Iran?
Oil at $400 per barrel. Hell, even the Israeli Defense Minister *talking* about an attack on Iran caused prices to jump $11 per barrel.
At $400 we're looking at gas at $10-12 per gallon.
I can't believe these politicians are so short-sighted as to not even appear to consider this. Imagine the chaos in NOLA following Katrina magnified across the entire country.
Iran has us almost literally over a barrel, and they absolutely know it too.
old goat
"Perhaps our nation's origin as a colonization initiated largely as a penal colony, a place for monarchic unwanteds stressed and fearful of reprisal by 'other' "
are you sure your not taling about Australia??
they fit this description exactly...they even have the genocidal oppression of the Aboriginies to deal with (and very much so does the UK also..which goes without saying)...yet they have not developed the same world view as the USA
you'd have to say tho America is pretty dang unique...in that it didn't start as a Monarchy (or similar institutional power)..so it basicaly had to invent itself entirely from scratch....which is a Herculean achievement worthy of any amount of trumpeting....the religiuos beginings coupled with the Indian wars are probably what scars the national psyche...(as you say)
(the gun culture whilst essential at the beginning for perfectly obvious reasons has now become a fetish in the worlds eyes...but that's a whole other ball game)
you see democracy in the USA is absolutely essential...you don't have a plan B
here in the UK we persue democracy with a similar diligence but at the end of the day , some where buried not too far beneath the surface , is the fact that the country is a monarchy...which is almost like having an emergency parachute..even if that doesn't immediately make any sense...
america doesn't have any such parachute... it's democracy or bust
the democratic institutions are your royalty if you like..
you make the same fuss about your president as we make about our Queen for example (perhaps more so in the past than now)..where-as our PM is just this dude
in a suit whom the opposition spends all it's time trying to get rid of..strangely enough they always succeed sooner or later..so there's not that much point getting overly excited about him..these days any way...evey-one knows it's a nonsense...one guy in a suit is pretty much the same as another guy in a suit...gawd is it tediuos watching them shoot each other down in flames..
so the USA is an absolutely remarkable democratic institution...
this does not preclude it from being every bit as dumb as every other institution on the face of the earth...
the problem may be that as far as democracy goes America is too close to the subject to see where the pitfalls are...it is too dependant on it to examine it's faults..and it takes any critisism of democracy very personaly..as an attack on it's "royal family" if you like..which is probably not what was intended...it's just that America is unique (afaik)..ergo the rest of the world doesn't get it..doesnt grasp the implications that America doesn't have a plan B
what would hugely benefit the world would be if america found the time to explain this without turning up with an armoured battalion to back them up
the USA does itself the most collosal diservice by relying on it's armed forces to win arguments, that it could ..if it put it's not inconsiderable mind to it..
win by negotiation and discussion....(which might ..just might ...without upsetting any-one...have some connection to gun culture ...it's an addiction...a fetish...your minds are better than that..you don't need the dang things anymore)
bamabanjo June 9 2008 4:28 pm said:
"Their very charter calls for the elimination of Israel, as Iran also frequently calls for. These bellicose statements seem to be far more threatening than any comments flowing the other direction."
Well "talk softly and carry a big stick" was Rooseveld's saying and the US "big stick" has certainly been very active for a while now. The sanctions and invasion of Iraq were pretty horrific weren't they. Wouldn't the toothless threat of dismantling the Israeli regime be far less a real threat than the dismantling of the Barthist Iraq that the U.S. undertook, or the dismantling of the Taliban regime of Afghanistan, or the dismantling of the Islamic Courts regime becoming established in Somalia before the US backed Ethiopian invasion.
It is so convenient to paint an ineffective threat coming from the weak (eg Hamas) as being something huge and threatening. Hey man, remember those nasty and really threatening Poles attacked Hitler's Germany to give the Fuhrer the excuse he wanted to invade Poland.
bamabanjo no-one responds to you because you obviously have trouble understanding the REAL oppression dealt out by the side you support. Continuing to build settlements on the West Bank is the most obscene and THREATENING statement that ANY nation could make. Israelis are yelling "We will take the land and no-one can ever stop us". When Israel's supporters start to understand and acknowledge that and make Israel stop it, only then will people here start to take those Israel supporters seriously.
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Joined late but
If you are so sick and won't do as many have said write phone to tell those ass#### in the WH then leave the USA like I did. I moved to Canada lock stock and barrel as the old saying goes. I married a very nice Canadian women bought a farm in the country and will never be back. Now I have access to a open free press ( for now) and you wouldn't believe how screwed the USA is. I see several American plates every day as I know I am not alone. Even people at the schools I talked to say more Americans are moving north, than Canadians moving south. Get out before the WH kills you or your children
as a nation that has attempted a balance of governing structure by executive, legislative and judicial branches in response to ...what exactly? Perhaps our nation's origin as a colonization initiated largely as a penal colony, a place for monarchic unwanteds stressed and fearful of reprisal by 'other' under a theologically shaped movement from the beginning. We are a nation of the scapegoated and have institutionalized that dynamic resulting in a nation motivated by institutionalized cowardice that always needs 'more'.
Today the government, driven by an ideology of accumulation (capitalism now on exclusionary steroids) scapegoats all 'others' in denial of its incapacity to recognize and deal with domestic disjunctures that are unsustainable and largely the creation of the economic 'power structure'.
"Power" I hope will be a term that is changed to "strength". If I read Obama statements and insert 'strength', the dynamic is shifted. A call to the dignity of strength, responsibility, and dare one say 'joy' in the challenge of putting our own house in order with a call to become 'peaceable warriors'.
One of the national 'myths' is actually still connected to a legitimate element that was voiced by the indigenous peoples who, we must always keep in mind, made major conceptual contributions to the Bill of Rights. To locate within ourselves those elements of 'peaceable warriors' and can draw on long standing cultural traditions - maternal models, and give wing to use the impetus of the dynamic in redefinition.
Our inability to regard our history of genocide and 'projection' sends us down a path that continually brings us to crossroads of choice. Those crossroads are constantly appearing at multiple levels in multiple ways.
I imagine a Michael Moore film - expose on paths coming to crossroads - studies of the resilience of peaceable warriors.
braithwa
"Some of us can see that sort of propaganda for what it is. Iranian pipe bombs outside your primary school gates, is a deliberate media driven fantasy and it is propagated with malicious intent."
i was refering to the I.R.A. planting pipebombs outside primary school gates and car bombs in crowded market places..both in Ireland and England
this was no media fantasy (except to americans) you got the wrong end of the stick..
there was susbtantial financial moral and technical ground level support for the I.R.A. from within the USA...this was acknowledged by the US government but no genuine attempt to prevent this steady flow of support was made..
so when the US government declared a war on terrorism and in an act of almost unimaginable stupidty declared "you either for us or against us"....etc etc...
what i was saying was this..
Obama is accusing Iran of offering the exact same degree of ground level support for the insurgents in Iraq as was offered by the US to the I.R.A in it's terrorist campaign against the United Kingdom....ie none of it was "officail goverment policy" but no officail attempt was made to prevent it...which if you contemplate it....was the accusation of complicity used to justify the entire war on terror we are no embroiled in...from Afghanistan to Iraq and now Iran
the accusation that these countrys gave and or are still giving ground level support for terrorist organisations regardless of wether this support if the declared policy of the Goverments of those countrys...
this is of course perfectly normal operating procedure
@chrisB June 10th, 2008 4:42 am
"The Iran regime supports violent extremists. I mean it is very old news but i've never quite managed to get it out of my mind…pipebombs outside primary school gates…car bombs in crowded market places..all very familar stuff…or are we to assume that one man's car bomb is another man's marvelous act of liberation"
It is very old news indeed, but only for those who believe the continuous stream of misinformation from our main stream media. Some of us can see that sort of propaganda for what it is. Iranian pipe bombs outside your primary school gates, is a deliberate media driven fantasy and it is propagated with malicious intent.
Would you be talking about Iranian support for Hizbollah? Hizbollah was born in Lebanon under Israeli occupation, and succeeded in evicting the Israelis from Lebanon. They will continue to exist for as long as Lebanon needs to be defended from Israel. They have already turned back two Israeli invasions since then. The latest as recently as 2006.
If you are not talking about Iranian support for Hizbollah, then what on earth could you be referring to? Iran has neither invaded nor threatened to invade any county since they kicked out the US imposed Shah dictatorship.
Im not for religious fundamentalism, and I would not want to live by the laws imposed there, but that is not an excuse for invasion the continuous slander that is made in order to justify an invasion. Our media is incapable of mentioning Iran without attempting to cast Iran in the sort of light that you have. It is totally baseless however.
Sure, Barack is a Politician. But after eight years of Republican/Bush attacks on America, I'd vote for a Yellow Dog before I would vote for a Re-Pub-lick-end.
Or Re-RuNader. That has just done so much good.
Obama, for better or more better; Only McInsane and more of the same would be worse.
I DID NOT SEE THAT BARACK WITHDREW HIS PREVIOUS PROMISE TO TALK TO IRAN....DID HE?
Peace from the wings of a bat out of hell
The Iran regime supports violent extremists
in much the same way as America supported the I.R.A.
discuss..i mean it is very old news but i've never quite managed to get it out of my mind...pipebombs outside primary school gates...car bombs in crowded market places..all very familar stuff...or are we to assume that one man's car bomb is another man's marvelous act of liberation
if Obama even thinks about endorsing the statement "your either for us or against us" ...then the only people in charge of america are the guys at Disney World..
@usrcjp June 10th, 2008 12:07 am
"Dennis Kucinich is speaking on the floor of Congress (and on C-SPAN) right now, introducing articles of impeachment."
Yes its true. Go Dennis!!! (Oh why isn't he our Democratic nominee?)
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/9/191519/7181/915/533004
"Ok, everybody, lets get behind Kucinich and get everyone we know to get on their phones and insist their representative support this."
Yes please, everyone get behind this ASAP!
~ VOX ~
I believe I now understand how the last remnants
__ of the Easter Islanders felt
__ about their own demented gov't.
Perhaps someone can commission some suitable ( vacuous eyed, adamantly warlike, phallic ) statues for America ?
Namaste
"If the US attacks Iran none of the politicians get my vote it is the last straw for me."
If the U.S./Israel attack Iran 'voting' will be the least of your concerns. Trust me.
Full United Nations Sanctions against America are needed NOW. The world must unite against America as it did against Hitler's Germany. There is very little time left.
KEM -
It's okay, it's okay. I don't think Conyers really means it. It isn't Conyers that pisses you off. It's the sad, demented, brainless, directionless futility of it all. It's that real people like you and I are represented by simulacra.
rebelnow -
For the sake of argument, a good dictator might be our best hope. Who do you want determining our course? The American People? The American People, you know, are not the fairly well educated, well meaning people you meet here on CD. They are also the 57 million bewildered idiots who voted for George Bush twice. The American People are a gullible, Islamophobic, generally racist, generally sexist, generally belligerent, strongly partisan, selectively educated pack of ungulates. The best quality they have is that they keep each other crossed out and dysfunctional and paralyzed. Have you tried "listening to the American People?" From Pennsylvania Avenue it probably sounds like radio static.
The time for creating an enlightened system for selecting wise rulers is long past. The economy could come apart at the seams by Christmas. The weather is going berserk. Oil is drying up. Our political process is devolving into the usual fistfight. The right wing engine is on fire and there is no pilot. Sure, grab a straw. Not that we have much of a choice. Whoever we pick, we'd better let them fly the plane, i.e. give them Congress, give them money. It's Roosevelt time. If Obama is not Roosevelt (as well he might not be) then we may chalk our consequent demise up to perfect karma.
McCain sees that we have abandoned our foxholes, and he is willing to lead us back into battle. Obama is saying what he has to say to get elected, and we don't have the slightest idea what he has in mind. Those are our choices. It ain't McCain, so it's Obama. Is it a crapshoot? You bet it is. Got any other ideas?
How many AIPAC agents work on the O'Bama campaign? How many AIPAC agents are promised "big jobs" in an O'Bama administration?
wikipedia:
In 1992, AIPAC president David Steiner was forced to resign after he was tape recorded boasting about his political influence in obtaining aid for Israel. Steiner claimed that he had
met with (then Bush U.S. Secretary of State) Jim Baker and I cut a deal with him. I got, besides the $3 billion, you know they're looking for the Jewish votes, and I'll tell him whatever he wants to hear ... Besides the $10 billion in loan guarantees which was a fabulous thing, $3 billion in foreign, in military aid, and I got almost a billion dollars in other goodies that people don't even know about.
Steiner also claimed to be "negotiating" with the incoming Clinton administration over who Clinton would appoint as Secretary of State and Secretary of the National Security Agency. Steiner stated that AIPAC had "a dozen people in [the Clinton] campaign, in the headquarters... in Little Rock, and they're all going to get big jobs.
Haim Katz told The Washington Times that he taped the conversation because "as someone Jewish, I am concerned when a small group has a disproportionate power. I think that hurts everyone, including Jews. If David Steiner wants to talk about the incredible, disproportionate clout AIPAC has, the public should know about it."
Darth Viper wants to bomb Iran for several reasons: 1.) to milk another $100 billion from the US public for his MIC friends, 2.) to milk another $50 billion from the US public for his petro-friends, 3.) to further militarize the US public, 4.) to futher terrorize the world, 5.) to destabilize the Iranian regime in the vain hope of gaining a pro-US regime there, 6.) to destabilize states that depend on Iran for oil (China, etc), 7.) to buttress the zionist, capitalist, militarist coalition that teeters on the brink of collapse today.
Right now, Monday night, Rep. Dennis Kucinich is on the floor of the House of Representatives introducing articles of impeachment against George W. Bush. He is presenting a 35 count indictment which is being broadcast on C-Span.
Ok, everybody, lets get behind Kucinich and get everyone we know to get on their phones and insist their representative support this.
This has taken way too long. Now that it has taken place, it is our responsibility to ensure Bush is actually impeached.
Impeach yr prez?
No!
Last time you tried to impeach one of yr presidents he tried to get out of it by firing missiles at foreigners on the other side of the world.
Imagine what this bunch would do!
They'd make Mugabe look like an angel.
There is one sentence in Chris Hedge's article that really pisses me off.
Congressman John Conyers says that if Bush attacks Iran he will start impreachment proceedings.
Is that a fact? ___ In other words, it was alright with Conyers for Bush to illegally attack Iraq, but if Bush dares to attack Iran it's an impeachable offense. Are the Iranians more important the the Iraqis Congressman Conyers? What a load of bullshit. Bush and Cheney should have been impeached years ago and so should Conyers and Pelosi for sitting on the Kucinich impeachemnt bill. They are both gulty of disobeying our Constitution, the supreme law of the land.
I dont think anyone should die for Iseral.. They are the main reason for the unrest in middle east. There leaders are corrupt, full of conspiricy, staging and plannig attacks making it look like the palistines did it. How many jews lost there lives in the twin tower murders, Bush, Cheny, Isreal, and of coures,England,fearless leader, Bushes cronny... were the murderers of our own for the war effort, good job! and dont think they wont kill a bunch more of inocent people for there cause. And it is true that the right wing so called evangelical christians are right behind the Jews, thinking that they are doing Gods will... How absured and blind can prople be.... some one quoted the bible above; another Quote: talking to the jews jesus said: your father is the devil the father of lies, it was so from the begining, and he is your father, Jesus said {God is my father} All the politicians believe that the jews are gods chosen, thats why they are afraid of them. in the midst of it all thats comming down they will be annihilated, then the christian evgelical theorys will have to be rethought, of coures each one has a slightly different story,so there will be a way out I am sure. In the mean time who ever get the election better get there attention focused on the good old U.S.A. and Keep a tight grip on the big bone the european union has its eyes on.. the world monatary system. No one should be willing to die for Isreal, we shouldn't be supporting them only there comon need not there warmogering efforts. Problems would cease, then settled by diplomacy...
McClatchy Newspapers
Mon Jun 9, 7:13 PM ET
"BAGHDAD -Iraqi lawmakers say the United States is demanding 58 bases as part of a proposed "status of forces" agreement that will allow U.S. troops to remain in the country indefinitely."
The Bushcabal denies this so we all know it's true.
The title of the article is The Iran Trap. Good title; but my take on the situation is that Obama has walked into a trap that will deny him the presidency! Jerome Irwin has it right, but hasn't quite got it into focus.
Now that Obama is on board for the war in Iran, and not just at the AIPAC speech, he has cut away any grounds for distancing himself from it once it starts. As Jesse Jackson points out (http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/06/03/9385/), if Obama (and we) can make the election be about domestic issues, we win. But if Bush goes to war with Iran, with Obama's support, then the issue becomes who will make the best war leader, and McCain wins!
Weak and sold out as he is, Obama is much to be preferred to McCain. He is a thoughtful and articulate man with experience as a child of poverty and as an inner-city organizer, and his base includes many organizations that represent the people. He's promised to get us out of Iraq, and to rescind Bush's illegal orders and signing statements. On a whole range of issues his positions are significantly better than Bush's. But he's made a deal with the Devil, and it will destroy him. Bush/Cheney/Mc Cain have one move left to win: war. They can be counted on to take it.
So what can we do? It doesn't look good, but we have one hope. By going after Bush and Cheney now, going for impeachment, we can possibly deprive them of the power to make their move. Maybe. Kucinich is making his stand in the House right now, introducing articles of Impeachment. As we value our lives and futures and those of our friends and children, we must act to rally support to him!
Threatening Iran with military action only makes the Iranians more determined to become a nuclear power.
Not to worry about John Conyers, he is a spineless ass-wipe. And, Barack "Change we can believe in" Obama is a joke. He sucked up to the Zionists as soon as he got the green light. And "change we can believe in", same failed 60-year policy for Palestine and same failed 50-year policy for Cuba.
What real change?
cindyforcongress.org
One can only surmise that the Jewish lobby has some amazing 'photos'on just about everyone. Blackmail is the only way that so many people can be silenced so often.
Obama is a fast-talking fraud. Don't blame him. After all, he is a product of the American political/capitalist establishment just like Clinton and McCain.
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@rebelnow June 9th, 2008 8:00 pm
I agree with everything you said, except for one caveat. If we dont get Obama in, that means McCain gets to be the president. Another President Bush for another decade. I sure as hell dont want McCain.
Im am hoping that "alexnosal June 9th, 2008 8:58 pm" and "Thomas More June 9th, 2008 7:58 pm" are right. I HOPE that they are right, even though those presidential and congressional trips to Israel followed by, universal pandering to Israel followed by the Israeli war talk leave me believing that there is a plan for war.
In any case, if Alex and Thomas are wrong then it wont matter too much who we put in. Then Ill vote Nader or green.
If they are right, and yet we put McCain in, he is going to have to create war somewhere in order to be a true war hero. I think McCain will do it, if elected. Call me a coward, but I dont want to take that risk.
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IMPEACH both BUSH and CHENEY.........NOW
Save the world from spinning into WWIII.
We, the United States are broken, bankrupt, and being led by a criminally insane President.
Bush plunged our military into an illegal invasion of Iraq.
Stop Bush and Cheney from attacking Iran!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME.................ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!
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DENNIS KUCINICH HAS BROUGHT FORTH ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT AGAINST BUSH!!!!!
C.D. ....WHERE'S THE STORY?????????
We only have five months before the election and I'll say it again. George Bush will not attack Iran.
It's not that I don't think George Bush would love to occupy Iran until all of their oil runs out. That's a given.
The problem is that the U.S. military is already spread out too thinly. Not only in Iraq, Afghanistan and hundreds of 'forward operating bases' around the world, but Bush is also aware that the military might have to be used to put down middle class taxpayers at home who are sick and tired of supporting a handful of greedy corporations and Republican lackeys.
The other thing is even though Big Oil would profit tremendously from a war with Iran (price of oil would indeed skyrocket) there are other corporations in the game as well who would find themselves going bankrupt with higher fossil fuel prices.
As for the MIC (military industrial complex), they're all ready making a shit load of cash to the point where they can't even handle more orders.
Finally Olmert doesn't speak for the majority of Israelis. In fact most Israelis don't want Israel to attack Iran. Olmert is very unpopular in his country right now and his hold on power is tenuous at best.
As for Obama, I really don't think he gets the big picture, but he may be catering to corporate America because of the power they weald. Nevertheless it is shameful or damn ignorant that at this point in the presidential race, the Democratic candidate can't speak for the majority of Americans.
We all know at CD that Bush caters to his corporate friends. But the big question is WHICH corporations does he favor the most!
rebelnow June 9th, 2008 8:00 pm: "So are you, and other Obamites, saying, "yes, yes, let's have a dictator, maybe THIS time we'll get a good one?! One that doesn't have to listen to the American people, can do whatever he wants cause he seems like a nice guy and smart and he'll know what to do.?!"
Rebelnow, you got it in 1. Herr Schicklegruber got in the same way. Faith based politics. Talk talk talk - DO NOTHING for working people - EVERYTHING FOR THE RICHFILTH. Just like the Dims.
Can't wait to hear him make the speech where "America has to tighten it's belt - read starvation for 10%, gross poverty for 45%, 35% hang by a thread, while the Top 3% live in palatial wealth and private law (privilege for them) and 7% get to be Overseers with full medical. You always did want to know what it would be like to live at the bottom of a 3rd world slave state with nukes, didn't you?
Are you ready for the fire?
Obama will choose boxing czar Don King as his running mate and if elected he will enslave the white race.
The Democratic Party has a major problem. They must convince many voters in its so-called 'base' to vote for candidates that directly oppose the beliefs they hold. This is just one very poignant and important example. Most of the base of the Democratic party, and certainly a large percentage of the votes it needs to win in Nov, are firmly against both continuing the war\occupation in Iraq and are against attacking Iran.
The leadership of the Democratic Party is in favor of continuing the war in Iraq and is in favor of attacking Iran. There are many actions of the last two years to support both points. Pay no attention to words, but the actions are there for all to see. These policies are obviously supported by the money that funds the Democratic Party. Otherwise it would be insane for the party leadership to oppose its membership in such a way.
As was entirely predictable, the nominee of the Party for President also is now taking these positions. No real surprise that he's waited until after the nomination is chosen. That's pretty typical of lack of respect the party gives its members.
But here's the problem the party has. It must somehow convince millions of its supporters who oppose these policies to vote for their candidate that supports them. How is it supposed to do this?
The rather novel strategy of the party is what I've taken to calling the 'fantasy Obama' strategy. Voters are supposed to ignore the words and positions of the candidate. Instead, voters are encouraged to create a fantasy image of an ideal candidate in their head. They are then supposed to believe that Obama is really this fantasy candidate and vote for him on that basis.
In such a way, the Democrats get to ignore the wishes of millions of people. The Democrats get to produce a candidate that supports the policies which so many people today object to and oppose. Then, they still get to get the vast majority of Americans to vote for this candidate, under the very bizarre theory that the candidate is not who he says he is.
Absolutely amazing. Its hard to believe that so many people are willing to fall for this con. And make no mistake, it is a con. For those who appreciate the art of the con, it is a really incredible con. Its staggering to think that it might work.
The military may not go forward with an attack on Iran for practical reasons. U.S. naval ships in the Persian Gulf are sitting ducks and the Iranian military has missiles which are capable of destroying them. A land to sea missile costs a lot less than an aircraft carrier. It is frightening to consider what Bush, et al, might do if they do launch an ill advised attack and a couple of carrier groups with their tens of thousands of sailors are blown up and sunk, which could well happen.
The saber rattling may have more to do with dissuading the Iranians from playing their hand in Iraq than an actual intention to attack.
Obama was way off base last summer when he made the statement that he would bomb Pakistan, and the speech he gave at AIPAC was even worse. I was in Pakistan when Obama made his comments, and the headlines in the papers in Pakistan the next day read "Obama Says He Will Bomb Pakistan," so regardless of what he actually said, that is how the Pakistanis took it.
Good on you Chris Hedges! We all must speak to truth.
Sadly, sadly, Obama's positioning with the Zionists this early in the campaign is one more indication that all the mainstream politicians are sell-outs, or bought out by the Israeli lobby, because they knew the road to power and elections runs through AIPAC.
Obama's "change You Can Believe In" is already suggesting its a shame, yet more catchy political rhetoric. Obama and his foreign policy advisors obviously haven't read Ilan Pappe's book, "The Etdhnic Cleansing of Palestine", they have not talked with the people on the ground themselves to know what really is happening or maybe they have and, like all the other U.S. politicians who kow-tow to AIPAC know what side their bread is buttered on.
Doesn't Obama know that perhaps the best way to ensure a McCain victory in November is to do exactly what Bush and the Zionists want to do which is to embroil the U.S. in another conflict which will either (a) cause the Novermber election to be posponed/suspended (which Bush has the power to do) during the new war or (b) serve as the best campaign advertisemsent and incenstive for votes to be cast for the Republicans since now Obama has already aligned himself with the war mongers and thu/s is a weak second to the hawks like McCain.
If the end of the world as we know it is to start in any one place it will be in the Middle East. But this is what all t he Fundamentalists have been prophecing for years and hoping happens to bring about the second coming so they can be raptured into the next world.
XThe whole thing is very sick, and sadly, Obama is showing that he is as much a part of the sickness as the cure he ostensibly offers.
voxclamtis writes, re:Obama,
"When the campaign is over he gets to be the decider. If he chooses an autocratic style, as might be hoped, he will inherit a power structure which does not require him to consult the American or Israeli people before taking foreign policy initiatives. His pre-election posture can be explained by the fact that he does not need Palestinian votes in the fall, he cannot afford to be demonized by AIPAC.
...What if Obama actually is both smart and a good guy
....Job one would be to get elected. Job two would be to take charge of congress and the military and the treasury.
...Barack the Lionhearted."
So are you, and other Obamites, saying, "yes, yes, let's have a dictator, maybe THIS time we'll get a good one?! One that doesn't have to listen to the American people, can do whatever he wants cause he seems like a nice guy and smart and he'll know what to do.?!"
It's NOT the presidents job to "take over" the Congress nor the Treasury!
Barack the Lionhearted yeah! maybe you'll get Barack the Terrible. Let's take a gamble! hurray!
Don't you get it? All you are doing is saying "damn this crap table just isn't paying off, let's move to another table", without realizing that it isn't the damn table! The entire game is rigged. You democrats are like gambling addicts, and don't know when enough is enough!
And as far as justifying Obama's "tactics" in order to get elected, i.e. "the means justify the ends", that is the exact formula all totalitarian regimes utilize. But it seems you are comfortable living under a dictator and willing to gamble on whether they will be benevolent or malevolent.
curmudgeon99 June 9th, 2008 6:45 pm
"I am still taking August 15 in the pool of Iran strike dates!"
OK. I'm taking not going to happen at all in 08.
@demosthenes June 9th, 2008 4:12 pm
You got that right. It is door 3.
* Only 5% of America's population is Jewish.
* The banks in this country are mostly controlled by Jews, and have been for a long time.
* AIPAC is is able to direct funds from the wealthy in a strategic manner, as campaign funds, or other "deals" where businesses owned by our politicians can be made to flourish.
* AIPAC is extremely effective at contacting and persuading our politicians.
* That Jews hold key positions in our media organisations, and are able direct it.
* Rupert Murdoch is a Jew, and controls a massive media empire. He pull no punches, and doesn't bother with fairness.
* 40 percent of all senior Judges are Jews.
* AIPAC provides a free member of staff for most of our politicians. That guarantees access for them as well as lots of information on each politician.
* Most of our politicians enjoy regular free trips to Israel. Including Pelosi and Hillary.
* While politicians are hounded if they even speak to Iranian politicians, all U.S. politicians must pledge allegiance to Israel, if they are to survive.
* A strategic ownership of internet networking hubs permits them to spy at will.
If the US attacks Iran none of the politicians get my vote it is the last straw for me.Tony
oh RichM that was until the Reverand Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. decided to make that great offering of reaso to the layity and other clergy in the first church he preached in Harlem, 'Time to Break Silence'.
Doomed okey dokey on with stuff. At least the Fucking pigs in the Senate and House passed a bill for PTSD, too bad for the tens of thousands that Suicided by PTSD, but we all will be dead too. Only been waiting since Vietnam, I'm just sayin' of course we are still doomed, Orange of course has never entered into the early Cancers of Vietnam Vets and the Vietnamese people right, the VA said they'll be dead with us. Just think Conyers OFFICIALLY invited, well that's different then, McClellan to testify under oath on Friday, the 20th at 10 am in front of the Judiciary Committee(under oath, perjury and such) SHOULD HE LIE, for all of us soon to be dead that are so foolish that who'da thunk, perjury = lies. Asking him @ bush and the fucks we'll be dead with THEM OOOH, that outted Valerie Plame, putting lives, yeah just fuck the Plames 'cos they were used to the being dead thing way ahead of us, the Firing of the US Attorneys, where's Bolton and Miers, maybe they're already dead.UH OH WATCH IT YOU EXECUTIVE SATAN WORSHIPPERS, who blatantly conspired to breaking, Breaking violating, potato poTAToes, US International Law prohibiting the use of torture, hmmm. Oh bolton and miers with their asshole buddy rove said WE ain't comin' to that party, ewre all going to die before the 20th, anyway. Sighh, iran has murdered us such woeful souls.
Alrighty then, see ya when we're dead.
Although Obama reminds me of those bright and likable if not very imaginative brown noses who were perpetually re-elected class president in 7th and 8th grade, I entertain one ray of hope for his tenure as leader of the free world. I have to assume that he is sufficiently observant that he knows he is about to step into a job that does not require him to suck up to anybody. When the campaign is over he gets to be the decider. If he chooses an autocratic style, as might be hoped, he will inherit a power structure which does not require him to consult the American or the Israeli people before taking foreign policy initiatives. His pre-election posture can be explained by the fact that he does not need Palestinian votes in the Fall, but he can not afford to be demonized by AIPAC. George Bush, remember, promised to be a compassionate conservative. Hardly anybody holds that broken promise up to him these days, buried as it is in the avalanche of surprises he had in store for us. I agree we are probably scheduled to go out with a whimper, but we can dream can't we? What if Obama actually is both smart and a good guy with a calling to lead a lost and dangerous people back to sanity? Job one would be to get elected. Job two would be to take charge of Congress and the military and the treasury. Have dinner with any damn foreign leader you want. Issue fiats. Kick ass. Barack the Lionhearted.
The vox can tentatively join hereontheres in his pea green boat to indulge a pleasant fantasy. Obama's remark about an undivided Jerusalem was a bit unnecessary, but he took it back. Taking the rest of his statements literally I can find agreement with them. I personally would support Israeli security, and think they should be protected while they are evacuating their bogus settlements and relocating behind their own 1967 borders. And most of us believe the threat of angry neighbors who wish to wipe Israel off the map should be addressed, most effectively by making the availability of American money and weaponry to Israel contingent on their ceasing to piss everybody off. The mark of a great statesman is the ability to make bitter medicine taste like kosher pickles.
In his 1963 "Letter from a Birmingham jail," Martin Luther King wrote,
"I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate...I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: 'I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action'; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a 'more convenient season.' Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will....."
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I cite this because it translates so easily to the dispute between the cowardly & naive liberals of today, who believe it's possible to "work within the Democratic Party," and the more radicalized forces, who understand very well that the Democratic Party is all about betrayal. The party is simply a social-control mechanism that methodically functions to buy off just demands for meaningful change with vague promises that are invariably reneged upon.
MLK saw that many white moderates of his day agreed with the goal of equal rights for blacks, but were nonetheless always insisting that "the time wasn't right" for such radical change, & that therefore more patience was required. Blacks would have to wait.
Entirely analogously, many Dem Party voters (aka "liberals") of today see that US militarism & the ways of empire are a dead-end, & will ultimately have to be scrapped. But in allying with the Democratic Party, these people are immediately pressed to accept candidates who do not speak directly of ending the ways of empire. They are pressured to accept arguments like "Well, Obama has to suck up to AIPAC and threaten Iran -- or he can't be elected!"
The moment you accept a candidate that is NOT criticizing US militarism & promising in plain language to stop the atrocities in Iraq, you become like the white moderates of 1963 who knew that segregation was wrong, but advised MLK to "wait for a more convenient season" to press for change.
I am still taking August 15 in the pool of Iran strike dates!
Message to Obama and Bush, leave Iran the hell alone!!!
ditto that: anyone who makes it to the white hacienda is morally corrupt. obama continues to cave on issue after issue. he came to play--the game.
"...its president denies the Holocaust and threatens to wipe Israel off the map."
Hmmmmm... ...that brought to mind:
May 26, 2007
'Wiped off the Map' – The Rumor of the Century
by Arash Norouzi
Across the world, a dangerous rumor has spread that could have catastrophic implications. According to legend, Iran's president has
threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map." Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025
I may be voting for him but when I get the inevitable zillion calls for $$ for Obama I'll say I'll contribute when Obama stops supporting Israeli aggression, clearly states his support for single payer health care etc.
Conyers, Why wait? Impeach this administration BEFORE they destroy us!
Barack Obama needs to speak out against an attack on Iran.
Dang, Lorax !
That was beautifull. Lots of eloquent folks on line tonight.I'm writing Conyers right now- what a chicken, if bush & the israelites steam Iran it'll be TOO LATE for alot of people, won't it ? Impeach the mob now, its the only expediant solution... I just read what I wrote and it gives me the willies, I think I've over the edge, too.
AHLADAN: In high school I was privileged to have an incredibly good social studies/history teacher who made it very clear there is a vast distinction between the thing that TRIGGERS a war and its deeper causes.
Israel may WELL be a factor, but let's not kid ourselves or look for singular reasons. The oil companies, the Republican party and its sense that war makes for good followers, the elite's interest in greater control(s) of civilian populations (needing enemy/terrorism as basis for so-called homeland-style security programs/pogroms), the vulture-driven profits of the military industrial complex, the broken dreams of those who believe in and advocate for End Times... ALL of these must be factored into the mix to arrive at the whys and wherefores that have led the "civilized" world to the brink of its own extinction. Israel is a trigger, not the entire cause. Far from.
Hey I see the banjo troll is back with a slightly revised handle. I am still surprised to learn that trolls play the banjo.
As to the article above; Don't worry Mr. Hedges, Mr. Obama is only pretneding to be an AIPAC supporting, corporate fascist. He is really here to save us.
Oh and I love the bit about Conyers threatening Bush with impeachment hearings, what a joke. Conyers sold out with the rest of em.
As someone who came of age in the 60's, it is hard to believe that a Black man could sit in "the big chair" in the Oval Office. I think its called cognitive dissonance. Beyond the wide spectrum of little folks who have supported Obama through the primaries, who are powermakers who have sanctioned his run? Their are elements in business, government, and media who could have ended this for him long ago. What has been going through my mind since this primary season started is this: You can't tell the truth AND be elected president in this country. You can't say that this government was established here on stolen land through genocide. You can't say that Jews though deserving of a homeland continue a cycle of abuse, theft and murder that was perpetuated upon them in Europe... and Arabs in relationship to this issue are far from innocent too. We are in a perfect storm of tragic global proportions. I wonder if anyone individually or collectively has the courage and power to interrupt this madness? Who will answer? The terrorist are responding to the same military industrial complex that oppresses us, eats our young, devastates our land, air and water, pollutes and misinforms our minds with poisonous media drech. Maybe the most disturbing thing about this is that there is no military solution is any of this. It's the profit motive, not the love of freedom or self-determination that keeps the military option going strong.
Been sayin' it all along - BO is corporate paymaster approved, or he wouldn't be the Dem choice. Hence, he does what his leash holders tell 'em to.
Ron Paul or Ralph Nader. Or kick back and enjoy more illegal mass murders, maimings and spyings, more resource theft, more super-rich coffer enhancements, more Earth melting, more citizens imprisoned, and even less corporate regulation and oversight (less than zero, that is.)
But at least we won't have a total moron and his greedy, ruthless puppy owner to kick about anymore, right?
On another note: "Adm. Fallon, who put his country and his integrity before his career, spoke out against a war with Iran, tried to stop it and lost his job..."
Did I read the same Esquire interview? In it, Fallon DID NOT say he was against illegally attacking Iran - he only had a problem with the timing.
He said: "Get serious. They're ants. WHEN the time comes, we'll crush them."
Not IF, but WHEN. How did everyone overlook that? Not only did he say WHEN, but he said that "serious" people view 70+ million Iranians in a 4000 year old country as "ants" to be "crushed."
Yea, Fallon's my f**king hero. Too bad he got canned before the murdering begins...
We need to focus on us, "the people" instead of hoping that Bush would not get us into another war, or Obama not to cowtow to AIPAC.
Look at where we are:
The Bush administration has bankrupt our country
8 trillion dollar deficit, $4/gal gas, 8.2 million homeowners on the verge of foreclosure, our dollar has lost most of its value (when Bush entered the Whitehouse, one Euro was .97 cents-today it is $1.60)
Bush/Cheney have trampled on our civil rights;
have illegally (catering to the Israeli wishes) invaded and destroyed Iraq.
NOW, once again doing Israeli's bidding, intend to get us involved in another illegal war.
What does it take for the people of this country to say enough is enough?
I believe we are the solution and we have the power, if we are willing to use it.
Are you ready?
You forgot to mention, this is a best case scenario...worst case would be all of the above, plus China and Russia becoming involved. I am not willing to fight & die for Israel.
Just one addendum to this despairing, yet perfectly accurate, piece. The US and Israel will unleash nuclear weapons in a volume not seen since Hiroshima and Nagasaki, infecting the entire globe with all kinds of nuclear waste products -- possibly even creating a "nuclear winter," which will be the beginning of the Endgame.
Also, the Israeli nuclear weapons facilities at Dimona will be exposed to attacks from jets, rockets or direct assault by Arab troops or irregulars. So the only nuclear super-power in the Mideast will see how useless and sucidal its huge nuclear actually inventory is.
This is the price we must all pay for finally seeing what reality is. We should have looked sooner. It would have been more affordable.
In the last 30 years, the chickenhawks have only attacked basket case countries, like Grenada or Panama.
Iran is no basket case. The chickenhawks had best prepare to get more than their hair mussed by the blowback. Wish it could be limited to them and their loony-toon "Christian" followers, rather than the poor in the Middle East.
Even a few cruise missiles fired into Tehran will guarantee continued obscene oil profits for many years to come.
Hedges lists the rhetoric of everyone but Hamas, Hezbollah and their Iranian ally. What they say and do is much stronger than the comments coming from Americans or Israelis. Hamas celebrates killing civilians as "heroic operations," and their attacks consistently ignore any differentiation between military and civilian targets. Their very charter calls for the elimination of Israel, as Iran also frequently calls for. These bellicose statements seem to be far more threatening than any comments flowing the other direction.
Obama goes whichever way the wind blows...
"Obama Voted to fund war until 2006; now wants no blank check
Q: Some involved in the anti-movement have said that in 2004, 2005, 2006 Barack Obama voted to fund the war; that you were not a leader in trying to stop the war until you ran for president and had a sense of the anti-war fervor in the Democratic base. Where was the leadership?
A: I disagree with that. Throughout I was a constant critic. It is true that my preference would not be to end this war simply by cutting off funding. My preference would be for the president to recognize that we needed to change course, and that was what I continually pushed for. At the point where we realized the president was not willing to change course, I put forward a very clear timetable for when we should remove our troops. And, when that was vetoed, I then suggested that the only way to negotiate a different direction in Iraq is by not giving Bush a blank check when it comes to funding.
Q: You have changed now in your support of cutting off funding.
A: But I haven't changed in my opposition to the war.
Source: Meet the Press: 2007 "Meet the Candidates" series Nov 11, 2007
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Late to vote against war is not late to oppose war
EDWARDS: Obama voted late for the timetable for withdrawl; a lack of leadership.
OBAMA: I opposed this war from the start. So Edwards is about 4-1/2 years late on leadership on this issue. It's important not to play politics on something that is as critical and as difficult as this. It is not easy to vote for cutting off funding because the fact is there are troops on the ground. All of us exercise our best judgment, just as we exercised our best judgment to authorize or not authorize this war.
Source: 2007 Dem. debate at Saint Anselm College Jun 3, 2007"
http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Barack_Obama_War_+_Peace.htm#Voting_Record
^^Regardless of the bunk coming out of the candidate's mouths, we will be in Iran by the end of the year, if not sooner.^^
Hedges says (and I concur), "The instant we attack Iran, oil prices will double, perhaps triple. This price increase will devastate the American economy." IF news networks TRULY told the American public that this would result, even the mindless devotees of End Times might wake up and say "no!"
I wish some major figure would get some MSM time to look into the eyes of Americans and say flatly that the very concept of, perception of WINNING a war is passe. What is won? What kind of tallying goes into planning something as insane as expanding this Middle East rendered-Hell on earth? Is the oil meant to burn for years as its own inferno? If it gets hit by DU or "bunker buster" low-great nuclear weapons, it will spread radiation exponentially. What can winning mean in such a paradigm? How many lay dead? And to this likely outcome FOOLS attach a religious rationale?
There is a place in the Bible where the question is asked, "Choose ye which master ye shall serve." That is the quintessential issue... either we serve life, which depends on the cooperation of mankind and its myriad tribes, or we elect death and take down so many in this magnificent creation along with U.S. A choice I never thought I'd live to have to face!
Stand back for a second and consider Obama's speech to AIPAC. I see 3 explanations for this pro-zionist sabre rattling. None of them are reassuring.
1. Is Obama is as big a hawk as Bush and Hillary, and does this speech show him ready to pursue the Project for a New American Century, even to the point of the nuclear option?
2. Is Obama committed to the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, the "ultimate Palestinian solution," whether genocide or mass expulsion of Palestinians in the manner of US decimation of native Americans?
3. Does Obama's speech demonstrate that American elections are so totally dominated by militant Zionist's that you can't win an election without their approval? Does this have something to do with who controls all the country's money? The bankers?
I pick door #3, and assert that hearing Obama spout the Zionist war cry makes me look differently at all the issues affecting our country in a new light. Zionists ... Banks ... Military ... War. I wonder if you figured out that disease, global warming would respond to popular control.
No one politician can defang AIPAC, and Obama has several other dragons to slay before he can even begin to take them on.
Instead of demanding that Obama be our knight in shining armor, how about hassling your local reps in Congress about their connections to AIPAC? If they're not responsive, hassle your fellow voters about those reps.
Israel has been seduced by the dark side of the force... American supplied military power. It's up to us to free them from the clutches of the Empire, so they can live in peace with their neighbors.