Senate Finds Pre-War Bush Claims Exaggerated, False
WASHINGTON - Claims by U.S. President George W. Bush and other top administration officials before the 2003 invasion of Iraq regarding Baghdad's ties to al Qaeda and its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programmes were generally not supported by the evidence that the U.S. intelligence community had at the time, according to a major new report by the Senate Intelligence Committee released Thursday.
The long-awaited report, the last in a series published over the past several years by the committee, found that Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, in particular, frequently made assertions in the run-up to the war that key intelligence agencies could not substantiate or about which there was substantial disagreement within the intelligence community.
"In making the case for war, the administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent," the Committee chairman, Sen. Jay Rockefeller, said on releasing the 172-page report. "As a result, the American people were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than actually existed."
"There is no question we all relied on flawed intelligence," he added. "But, there is a fundamental difference between relying on incorrect intelligence and deliberately painting a picture to the American people that you know is not fully accurate."
The Committee also released a second report Thursday on a series of initially secret meetings in Rome and Paris between neo-conservative Pentagon officials and alleged Iranian dissidents, including a notorious Iranian arms dealer, Manucher Ghobanifar who played a key role in the so-called Iran-Contra affair of the mid-1980s.
The report found that the meetings, which also included another Iran-Contra player, Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), were authorised by then-Deputy National Security Advisor (currently National Security Adviser) Stephen Hadley and Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz who, it concluded, failed to keep relevant intelligence agencies and the State Department informed.
"The report found that the clandestine meetings...were inappropriate and mishandled from beginning to end" and that "senior Defence Department officials cut short internal investigations of the meetings..." after they became known, a press release issued by the committee stated.
Both reports were signed by 10 members of the Committee, including two Republicans, Sens. Olympia Snowe and Chuck Hagel. Five members -- all Republicans -- issued a strong dissent, arguing that the minority had been "entirely cut out of the process" and charging that the Democrats had "twisted policy makers' statements and cherry-picked the intelligence in order to reach their misleading conclusions." The ranking Republican on the committee, Sen. Christopher "Kit" Bond, called the report "political theatre".
The timing of the report's release, as well as its conclusions, however, is likely to fuel the ongoing political debate over the Iraq war at a critical moment in the presidential election campaign. This is particularly so with this week's securing of the Democratic nomination by Sen. Barack Obama, whose outspoken opposition to invading Iraq before the war is seen as a major reason for his victory over Sen. Hillary Clinton, who voted in favour of the Congressional authorisation to go to war in the fall of 2002.
Obama now faces Republican Sen. John McCain, who, as honourary chairman of the Committee to Liberate Iraq in the run-up to the invasion, not only endorsed the claims that were being made by Bush and Cheney at the time, but also helped to propagate them.
The new reports also tend to bolster the charges made in a new book by former White House spokesman Scott McClellan, a long-time Bush aide who was considered part of the president's inner circle during the same period.
"Bush and his advisers knew that the American people would almost certainly not support a war launched primarily for the ambitious purpose of transforming the Middle East," according to McClellan's memoir, 'What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception'.
"Over that summer of 2002, top Bush aides had outlined a strategy for carefully orchestrating the coming campaign to aggressively sell the war" in part through "innuendo and implication" and "intentional ignoring of intelligence" that contradicted or cast doubt on their justifications for going to war, McClellan wrote.
The book, which skyrocketed to the top of the best-seller list even before it was officially released, has drawn considerable media attention over the last two weeks.
The two new reports are the last to be issued by the Committee on the use of intelligence by the administration before the war. Last year, the same Committee issued a report on the administration's failure to heed warnings by the intelligence community, including two major reports by the National Intelligence Council (NIC), that an invasion of Iraq and its subsequent occupation would likely benefit al Qaeda, boost political Islam throughout the region, and give rise to possibly violent conflict between various sectarian and ethnic groups within Iraq -- all conclusions that were downplayed or ignored by senior administration officials at the time.
The latest report was focused on comparing statements made by top administration officials, particularly Bush and Cheney, between August 2002 and the actual invasion in March 2003 with intelligence reports that were available to them at the time.
It found that the White House consistently exaggerated ties between al Qaeda and Iraq by repeatedly suggesting or outright asserting that the two forged an operational relationship that included the provision of weapons training and possibly WMD expertise. The report found that these allegations "were not substantiated by the intelligence" at the time they were made.
The report also found that the intelligence also contradicted the White House's assertions that Saddam Hussein "was prepared to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups for attack against the United States."
And it said that the intelligence community never confirmed the allegation, made repeatedly by Cheney in particular, that one of the 9/11 organisers, Mohammed Atta, met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official in Prague several months before the attack.
"The president and his advisors undertook a relentless public campaign in the aftermath of the (9/11) attacks to use the war against al Qaeda as a justification for overthrowing Saddam Hussein," Rockefeller said. "Representing to the American people that the two had an operational partnership and posed a single, indistinguishable threat was fundamentally misleading and led the nation to war on false premises."
The intelligence community, according to the report, was also considerably more sceptical about the state of Iraq's chemical weapons programme and especially its alleged nuclear weapons programme than was indicated by top administration officials at the time. Testimony by then-Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld that the Iraqi government hid WMD in facilities buried deep underground did not reflect any of the intelligence held by the intelligence community at the time.
Jim Lobe's blog on U.S. foreign policy, and particularly the neo-conservative influence in the Bush administration, can be read at http://www.ips.org/blog/jimlobe/.
© 2008 Inter Press Service
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Show AllPolitical theater runs rampant, Senator Bond, surely in this administration and the 110th Congress - it's a running Comedy-Tragedy that's centuries old in practice and policy and ought to be outlawed. Instead, consider the charges for what they are, assertively and with focus where it belongs, be aggressive in nailing-down the guilty who've created atrocious acts without reservation. The broken bodies and minds of the audience manifest testimony to what most of us would consider an illegal act of war and intrusion into a country we had no right to be in for the so-called reasons we were there - that's the point.
Let me assure you, and people like you, who would give casual consideration to the report's validity, your outrage at a purported political agenda makes you seem an ass, and I see your complaint as gossamer-thin and intentionally detracting for the larger picture that's being presented.
Well I just lost my best friend from High school for forwarding this article to her. How dare I send this garbage to her when the Military is over there for the 3,000 that died here. She then sent me a heartwarming story of an officer at a ballgame, telling me that is what I should be sending.
I guess some people don't want to know. :(
CITIZEN 1; SO OBAMA IS JUST MAKING PROMISES TO GET THAT WONDERFUL CUSHY JOB AND RESIDENCE FOR FREE RENT. OF COURSE -hero- McCAIN WOULD NEVER DO THAT, HA! YOUR MIDDLE NAME MUST BE CYNIC, SO APT. YOU ALLUDE TO THE FACT THAT WE REALLY HAVE A ONE PARTY SYSTEM WITH TWO ARMS, DEMOCRAT/REPUGLICAN. WHAT'S YOUR SUGGESTION? A BENOVOLENT DICTATORSHIP? ROCK ON!
Exaggerated? False? Gee, y' think so? Who woudda guessed?
I saw on C-span the other day when they came out to report about the papers and how Bush and Cheney lied about going into Iraq etc. One of the reporters asked them if they were going to bring chargers. Jay Rockerfellow said, "No, we aren't going to because there are only six months left in this administration and they (Congress) have other business to do." These people are so full of BS it is sickening. They have no integrity at all.
When Clinton lied nobody died. He only screwed one person, Bush has screwed millions.
Isn't that wonderful. Congress is now denouncing Bush for false information. Why don't they just say "They lied. They mislead the people. They are therefore criminals because these are criminal acts. They are now going to be prosecuted." Let's stop all this talking about the wrong they did. Do something. Arrest them. They are criminals. I'm tired of this wringing of hands and denouncing Bush and Cheney. They are the worst of thugs. You have even said so. So, don't war criminals get to go to jail and face the death sentence? What happened to these spineless speakers in the house? Praise to Robert Wexler, Waxman, and others who are pursing the prosecution of these criminals. Hail to Obama who will bring back justice and the rule of law to our injured country. This is our great hope
I get oh so tired at so much of the ignorance and bullshit surrounding the invasion and illegal war against Iraq and everything that has emerged from it (i.e. the endless war, the emergence of private military contractors and their fascist mercenary armies, the manipulation of fuel and commodity markets by criminal corporate capilalists, etc etc).
I'm constantly outraged at the mainstream media for being so complicit in their cover-up of the real truth behind who did what to whom. I'm tired at the ineptitude and ignorance of Washington politicans, Democrats and Republicans and Independents alike, as well as the dumb down general public for not going after the truth in spite of all the coverups and subterfuge to get at the bottom of it all when the truth is plainly there for anyone who has the eyes to see and the ethics to speak the truth.
Look, folks. The stooge talking heads and so=called journalists and pundits of the criminal corporate media and their political lackeys explanation for why the U.S. went into Iraq (i.e. "flawed intelligence") is just so much total bullshit that it's nauseating. Come on! In truth, the intelligence community (i.e. the real intelligence community) consistently warned the Bush/Cheney Gang from the get go that, their assertions were unfounded. What happened? The Bush/Cheney Gang began a purge of the CIA, not unlike what Stalin did, and there was an exodus of seasoned CIA analysts who were either fired, outed or forced into early retirement. The Bush/Cheney Gang created their own intelligence stooges (i.e a shadow intelligence network) who told them what they wanted to hear to justify their illegal invasion. Was this a conspiracy? You bet your ass it was. Should they long ago have been brought up on charges? Right again.
But the long-standing conspiracy of silence has been ensured by the criminal corporate mainstream media who are henchmen of the Bush/Cheney Gang and the criminal corporate heads behind them who are responsible for the bloodless coup d'etat that originally overthrew the United states democratic rule of law and replaced it with a criminal corporate game plan that extends back many decades. (i.e. the Project for A New American Century manifesto that can be traced back to the Iran-Contra thugs and even further back to the assassination of the Kennedy's and Martin Luther King and tens of thousands of other individuals).
So given this long slow history of the coup that occurred in the U.S. everything that has happened in U.S. history since the assassinations in the 1960's, the Iran-Contra debacle, the 100's of thousands of related assassinations all around the world,the 9/11 Twin Tower's attack, ignoring the millions who marched against going to war in Iraq are all part of single fabric. So, in light of all the horrible death and destruction that has transpired in the world and the huge amount of wealth that has passed into a few corporate hands in theprocess is there anyone out there who really still believes that 9/11 was not part of a conspiratorial master plan by powers both within and beyond Government rather by a few radical Islamists? If so, they are probably the same people who still believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.
But if enough people wake up to the reality of what the world faces, we can still get together and run the bastards without borders out of town on a rail.
Gang
My apologies, at the time I wrote the post no google hits came back from my search on this article. Some time after I posted, they did. I'm glad that this article did get through. Many don't, so I'd still recommend running the google test on articles to see if they are picked up by the mainstream media. And I'd still recommend Common Dreams to anyone who I think will listen.
Thanks for the corrections,
-RD
ardee June 8th, 2008 9:02 am...To second your endorsement. Mr. Nader is a man of PROVEN integrity and accomplishment that has been of benefit to every American. If you can name one other candidate who has done as much for the average citizen, then go ahead and vote for that person..I don't think anyone can.
A definition of insanity is doing the same thing, over and over, and expecting a different result.
All those who reject the anger of folks like citizen1, all those who refuse to look outside the box for the solutions to what ails this nation and, because we are so far off the track, cause so much misery world wide,are a part of the problem.
Voting for democrats, despite the clear evidence of complicity, of the corporate enslavement of that party, of its abysmal incompetence in the face of clear violations of the Constitution by the Executive branch and expecting things to change is simply insane. Voting for Senator Obama, despite his own words in his own book that condemn him as a centrist and globalist and just another corporate stooge, is contributing to the problem.
If you cannot see the pattern, if you fail to read history, if you simply dismiss the words of those looking for real change with supercilious nonesense backed by no real thought, well, then you are a Bush supporter. Only by showing this Duopoly that we reject the corporate control of our governance, that we demand an end to putting profits before the welfare of the people can real change occur.
Vote third party and send a message. Ralph Nader is the only real democrat in this race. That he cannot win is secondary to the fact that it will not matter whether Obama or McCain wins this contest, the same folks will still be in charge.
Bill such complimentary words towards all. I have yet to see you take ANY action in the form of moving from behind your keyboard, alone inspire hope to engage the masses to take to the streets. I've yet to see you on the Hill, hmmm.
Violent revolution will put no smiles on anyone's face. Stripping this cabal and it's hangers on of all their assets and placing them in the Ninth Ward under the protective care and keeping of FEMA will. They'd probably even learn a few new songs to sing to boot.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
227 days to go.
You'll find the details on page 6 under the fold in the sports section of your local corporate media outlet.
dunderwoo June 7th, 2008 6:45 pm ....I cannot imagine what must be going through your mind at this time. Being of the belief that We the People's last resort may be the TRUE patriotism of the military, I beseech you to look deep into your conscience and make a decision that will satisfy the Supreme being to which only YOU answer. There can be no illegal occupation of a sovereign nation nor killing of innocents without the consent of the soldiers. This has been true through all of military history and was most certainly true during the reign of the Third Reich and it is just as true in Afghanistan and Iraq. Innocent beings are being slaughtered to satify power and greed. Please, make a moral and wise decision.
I concur with willybill "SO". After all crucifixion is reserved for the innocent. What if anything does anyone expect will happen now that the sleepy ones are beginning to wake up from their self-induced anesthesia? You got it not a damn thing. In the interim I wait to be recalled to the desert and perhaps this time I will be sacrificed for the holy corporate church. I meant "freedom" and "democracy". At this point I do not have much faith in anything anymore. I do not trust either party or their blow-hard candidate. I do not trust that any of the self proclaimed "lamp lighters" are going to admit their impotence and instead will post a lot of affected comments and then sit back in puffed up self-righteous indignation. No, I go willingly to death if that is what awaits me. Not because I really want to die but I haven't experienced a whole lot that makes life an acceptable alternative.
And so another war is looming ahead with Iran. Will it take this Senate committee another 6 years to realize we have all been had again? Bush and his gang are so far ahead with their twisted legal pronouncements, that no Congressional Committee will ever catch up with their lies. So who's writing the next best seller about this crime family that continues to get away with anything including all of our money, our military, and our children? Should we dare to HOPE with Obama?
TheLorax.."Instead, 62,040,610 FOOLS went out and cast a vote for him..."
So say the (rigged) voting 'touch screen' machines. Together with the number of good Democratic votes they can purge.
Namaste
Why would peoples speak against these compassionate, gentle, humble Saints? Or, aren't they? Ok, ok.
But the only news is that some on this board is responding as if the committee report is NEWS.
This "news" doesn't inspire confidence in the American government, does it. It's something many of us knew years ago (that the "war" on Iraq was unnecessary).
Okay, so the feeble "leaders" in Congress now know the facts. WHAT are they going to DO about it besides wag their fingers at Bush, Cheney, et al. and say "Oh you naughty boys." It's all talk and no action. Heap big smoke but no fire. Yawn.
Most of the reporters now days are far too stupid to understand law, government and politics. They understand football and movie stars and TV shows but not the "boring stuff". Their understanding reflects the majority of Americans. There is NO call to or demand for or high ratings from, addressing real issues other than the "15 minutes of fame" factor! Anything "hot" now is old news tomorrow.
Wow! The Senate is just now realizing this. Some of us knew even before his shrubness issued the ultimatum to Saddam Hussein. Scott Ritter knew, and said so, publicly, that there were no WMDs in 2002! Way to be on the ball, Congress!
I'm still looking for this in US news. The Associated Press seems to find a floating body found by actress Linda Carter more significant to our lives than Congressional findings of treason from the White House.
About Obama, I would love it if he delivered what he's promising, which is only vague promises of change and, after all, declaring martial law would be "change". My fears about Obama come from his being Cheney's cousin, but more so, that Obama is a member of the CFR, an alternate to the PNAC, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, etc. Also, that Obama's lying/hedging about being in the CFR and what they're up to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbV8duHcXX0
What I wish were going on, is that Reverend Wright himself were running for president, and distancing himself from Obama. Wright has clarity of mind, and a good bullshit detector:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqPUXjFYh38
Good posts: GEORGE W. BUSH, DOUG LAGO, IWHUNT, C W BROOKLYN, MUNICH. I like the way you write.
The Atlanta Journal gives cudos to Saxby Chambliss' supporters, please post a comment to this linked article! Let Chambliss supporter know that we are MAD AS HELL!
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/politicalinsider/entries/2008/06/06/think_of_it_as_a...
No registration is required. You can post your comment immeadiately.
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lwhunt330 June 7th, 2008 6:56 am
NOW can we impeach these bastards?????
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No, "impeachment is off the table", says your (and Obama's) Democratic Party.
Wow it only took the UNITED STATES CONGRESS five years longer to figure this out than it took ME.
Congrats morons
This administration has violated most global treaties to push its own agenda. COLLEEN asked if the liars-in-chief HAVE info on the senators and congress people who might otherwise be MOVED to just action. Good question given the illegal surveillance and the loyalty of "Blackwater" and its ilk.
Good posts: WILMOORE, EZEFLYER (calling it what it is!), THE LORAX (indeed, accountability, a fresh concept!), BARUCH (Your values are good ones), JH (the premise--information released--has not been "tested" to facilitate a fair public response), and GHAWAR (thank you for the book recommendations).
On the plus side, the post facto evidence is overwhelming and there is no statute of limitations on murder. These "leaders" are hated and wherever they go, regardless of the troops they pay to "guard" them, they will not be safe. And more so, as I often intone, no one is exempt from the LAW of karma. The levels of evil perpetrated by these selfish, unevolved, soul-less creatures will compel them to devote MANY LIFETIMES of service to others to just begin to make up for the lives taken, the booty squandered, the infinite inestimable WASTE! In short, the depravity, and those who are involved to a lesser extent, having had the POWER to help offset the carnage who stood back and drank their cocktails while the Iraqi Rome burned, they, too will have much to answer for when they meet their maker. The sky god concept may indeed be passe, a fiction we mortals tell ourselves to make things more bearable on a seeming unjust planet; but the law of karma is inviolate. It is beyond our understanding to gauge its operations, just as how many who post here can begin to explain how it is that our words can be conveyed through typing on a machine all around the world? How to explain that awesome invisible POWER? Contemplate that and you are an inch closer to understanding the GREATER mysteries.
Sen. Saxby Chambliss (who did not sign-off on the report) is the only disenter currently seeking re-election.
There are several Dems seeking the seat, but in my estimation the most progressive is Rand Knight.
http://www.knightforsenate.com/
Chambliss is one of the worst of the complicit liars. Check out my videos:
http://nukular-waste.tripod.com/nukular-waste.htm
Thank you Colleen for posting the names of the Senators that refused to sign the report. Thanks also for posting the dates their terms expire. My Senator, Saxby Chambliss is the only one currently seeking re-election.
His seat is considered "safe". Well, maybe it is and maybe it isn't. If Obama's 50 state strategy includes the outpost known as Georgia, it could have a major impact on the down-ticket races.
I'm working on some new videos about Chambliss. If you haven't already seen them, check out my YouTube videos.
http://nukular-waste.tripod.com/nukular-waste.htm
NOW can we impeach these bastards?????
My original post got swallowed by my NSA tap!
Here I go again. Hmmm. Nah, fuck it!
Results so far of the illegal war an occupation.
Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered In US War And Occupation Of Iraq "1,221,154"
Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially acknowledged) In U.S. War And Occupation Of Iraq 4,092
Cost of U.S. War and Occupation of Iraq
$526,026,334,827
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ii. Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).
b. War crimes:
Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave-labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory, murder or illtreatment of prisoners of war, of persons on the seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.
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Why can't anybody use the proper word for this...Treasonous Lies !
This is like elementary school logic:
"...the Democratic nomination by Sen. Barack Obama, whose outspoken opposition to invading Iraq before the war is seen as a major reason for his victory over Sen. Hillary Clinton, who voted in favour of the Congressional authorisation to go to war in the fall of 2002."
Outspoken bs. Read the fine print on his web site. He will continue to keep combat troops in Iraq. The assumption is that Obama should get a pass on voting to fund the war, ignoring issues like impeachment and the Democratic failure to halt the war while having the power to do (only 41 Senators are needed to filibuster), his plans to continue the occupation of Iraq under the guise of carrying out "targeted" strikes on al Qaeda and protecting the "Green Zone" and his as-hawkish-as-McCain stand on Iraq. Why? Because he is not a Republican. So what! Might just as well be one. Change? Change what? The color of the drapes and carpets? Good grief, give me a break!
It is what you plan to do that should give you hope.
Follow your heart or follow the losers.
The doom and gloom political scabs want to suck all the hope out of you...
They want things to get worse so that they can teach you a lesson and pretend that those who have hope and work for realistic change are evil.... if congress starts to get brave and go against the Bush Crimes with reports like this article they attack Obama as if he is evil and they who have no courage or sense of reality think they are above the people ....
They will lose because the time for change has come. Keep hope alive!
Can we all say,
"Duh!"
this is pathetic
My guess is that this report is just a historical note, and Congress plans to do nothing at all. Hope I'm wrong.
@willybill June 6th, 2008 12:03 pm
"... you can watch TV and eat pretzels if you promise to never do this again!"
I would be happy to let them eat caviar if they do not do it again. But my fear is that the probably will do it again.
@Ken Mitchell June 6th, 2008 1:16 pm
"And now Bush is recycling Bush's lies replacing the word "Iraq" with "Iran". Sadly, 75% of Americans favor invading Iran based on these lies."
If that is really true, we might just as well give up now. I sincerely hope you are wrong. To destroy yet another country that offers no harm would make me depressed - again. Iran has never attacked, or threatened to attack any country. I ask you where did you get the "75%" figure from? I choose to not believe this.
How shocking, it took the Senate seven years to know what WE all knew waaaay before the invasion. Duh. Why oh why, are these people called 'Leaders', and exactly WHO do they represent???? Certainly not me or the majority of the Americans who are now paying the price of the already-year-long-Recession.
The notion that it was faulty intelligence and not cooked intelligence is an attempt at cover up. The Democratic-Republican Party are busy spinning and covering up their criminal tracks. They knew it was about the oil all along. Thanks for waiting until Dick Bush is almost out of office before drawing your brilliant conclusions! Okay, Dick Bush lied, many died, just what are you going to do about it? Nuthin.
^^^^ I don't find it hard to imagine at all. The U.S. has decided that Israel's enemies are automatically its own enemies, which is quite amazing when you consider the fact that the U.S actually has no constitutionlly recognized defence treaty with Isreal as it does with NATO allies, for example.
In any case, your so-called "allies" have apparently made the decision that an attack on Iran is "unavoidable", according to a statement by Olmert's deputy. So good luck with your hopes for all the good stuff that the next election is going to bring your way according to the Obama fans.
He is a psychopath, by any definition you care to chose (look it up), and dickless Cheney is even worse. Like some of the other posters, I cannot fathom how this could be news to anyone at this point.
On the positive side, I think McCain is doing a pretty good job of self-immolation, which should enhance Obama's chances despite the ignorant bigots in this country (not all of whom are "closet", by a long shot). The latest polls, for what they're worth, have Obama beating McCain pretty handily, and the Dems haven't even begun to concentrate on trashing McCain. Even should McCain win, it seems like the Repug numbers in Congress will be too small to stop the Democrats, provided that they get enough backbone to do the right things. It's hard to imagine the situation being worse than at present.
So Scott McClellan was "Hero of the Week" a week ago.
It would follow that Jay Rockefeller would hold the title this week.
Wonder who it's going to be next week to offer some heart pounding "expose" of the lies and corruption within the Bush administration.
It reminds me of the Saturday afternoon serials of my childhood with the cliffhangers that kept you in suspense until the next week.
Trouble is, here there is no longer any suspense.
Oh, It'll get a lot of people up in arms (as has been evidenced by many of the comments I see posted here on Common Dreams on a daily basis.)
It will bring about more calls for impeachment, or a military crimes trial a la Nuremburg perhaps. BUt in the end, it will have done nothing but raise everybody's dander and then the ever present rug will become a little more difficult to navigate on because of so much that has been swept under it.
If you'll allow me to, because it also involves our elected representatives, let us take a brief hiatus from international matters.
There was something about a U. S. Congressman supposedly preying on pages. I believe the man's name was Mark Foley. While he resigned his congressional seat in disgrace, there were to be three or maybe more separate investigations into wrongdoing and alleged coverups.
How many reports of those investigations have you seen?
If any of them ever were published, I can assure you it was somewhere between the hog and soybean prices.
Denny Hasterdt, who was highly suspected of coverup in the Foley matter, very quietly chose not to run for re-election and quietly slipped out under the door.
Rant and rave if it makes you feel good, but there will be nothing done to punish George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and Company for their numerous transgressions over the past eight years.
And, because history tends to repeat itself, there is little doubt in my mind that there are a sufficient number of "closet bigots" in this country, whether they be Democrat, Republican or Independent, to prevent Barack Obama from ever sitting in the oval office.
So, we'll have Audie Murphy (why do I keep calling him that?) taking the oath of office next January, continuing to destroy what's left of Iraq and then, if things don't prove exciting enough for him or he feels he may fall short of matching Dubya's responsibility for the deaths of 4,100 military, we can always attack Iran.
Prove me wrong, people, I pray you do!
Uh, Rudyjo the Murderer in Chief and his minions HAVE MURDERED MILLIONS and......
We illegally invade a Sovereign Nation by deception, F$$KING LIES, continue to ILLEGALLY OCCUPY said Nation well in the first 1/3 of its 6th year and what??? WHAT?? They call this news? Evasive, misleading, a disagreement between ?spy? agencies, as Perino the bobble head said "it was a selective view, hidden from the Psychopath in Chief[my words, not petite danas] and Congress". WTF do they get these talking heads for bush, are they taking applications?
read
After the Empire by Emmanuel Todd (a researcher at the French National Institute for Demographic Studies, who had predicted in another book, The Final Fall, the collapse of the Soviet Union well before it came to pass
http://www.amazon.com/After-Empire-Breakdown-Perspectives-Criticism/dp/023113102X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=U...
Rene wrote,"One important point, if you take the title of this article and search for it in Google news, you will find that no papers ran this story. This is most often the case. Yes, viewers of Common Dreams see the story and maybe a few others but no 'mainstream' corporate media picks it up. So it can be claimed that the press reported the story, yet the public at large is kept ignorant. This makes the report even less worthwhile. The congress publishes the report, its not disseminated to the public at large, so there will never be any pressure to act on the reports findings."
Actually, this piece ran in the NYTime on June 6, 2008:
"Report accuses Bush of misrepresenting Iraq intel
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 12:14 a.m. ET
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A new Senate report gives a fresh shot of adrenaline to the election-year debate over the Iraq war. President Bush and his top officials deliberately misrepresented secret intelligence to make the case to invade Iraq, according to the Senate Intelligence Committee."
"deliberately misrepresented secret intelligence" -- that means they lied.
And Coleen referred to today's NYTimes' lead editorial -- an unusually long ed.
From that editorial:
"The report shows that there was no intelligence to support the two most frightening claims Mr. Bush and his vice president used to sell the war: that Iraq was actively developing nuclear weapons and had longstanding ties to terrorist groups. It seems clear that the president and his team knew that that was not true, or should have known it — if they had not ignored dissenting views and telegraphed what answers they were looking for. Over all, the report makes it clear that top officials, especially Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, knew they were not giving a full and honest account of their justifications for going to war."
"knew they were not giving a full and honest account":
That is the common law definition of "fraud". The people who signed the report know that.
Is all as I would wish? Heavens no.
Do I see some possibilities opening up? I do.
"SAY not the struggle naught availeth,
The labor and the wounds are vain,
. . .
For while the tired waves, vainly breaking,
Seem here, no painful inch to gain,
Far back, through creeks and inlets making,
Comes silent, flooding in, the main.
And not by eastern windows only,
When daylight comes, comes in the light,
In front, the sun climbs slow, how slowly,
But westward, look, the land is bright.
Arthur Hugh Clough
I was 29 years old when I picked up a Sunday NYTimes in Kimbark Plaza and saw the first headline of the Times' publications of the "Pentagon Papers". I felt awe. Not because the information surprised me -- that the NYTimes had been given this stuff and was publishing it. And when the Second Circuit shut them down the WaPo picked it up. And when the government went to the Supreme Court NOT ONE SINGLE JUSTICE was willing to write an opinion giving the government what it wanted -- a permanent injunction against publication. Six signed the per curiam to affirm the DC Circuit, reverse the Second Circuit. The three dissenters were willing only to vote for sending the cases back to the trial courts for further analysis.
Please, don't take refuge in cynicism and contempuous assurances that The Vast Right Wing Corporate Conspiracy has it all wrapped up. The problem is not The Vast Right Wing Corporate Conspiracy. It's time. It takes time to find candidates who support decency and can be elected -- and to work to get them elected. To Dave A I say, with true sympathy, and no contempt of my own -- If you don't want a Congress that just sits around wringing its hands, don't sit around wringing your hands.
Lean on Obama. Lean on your representatives. Find better candidates. And find time to enjoy love and friendship, and whatever it is you find beautiful in the world.
Ah, after removing the link to a bookstore and its blurb, my longer comment was finally accepted. so don't try to include commercial links, I guess.
Count me among the 'Gloom and Doomers.' There really is no way to improve the nation's lot, not within the hopelessly corrupted system or outside it - the power structure has all bases covered. No part of our government and none of our democratic institutions are functioning, and all are impotent to restore us.
It would be nice if I could find something positive in the news and then reprimand myself and apologize to everyone for harboring an unjustifiably negative outlook for our country. But everything I read and see only strengthens my expectations.
In particular, I just last night read most of Dmitry Orlov's "Reinventing Collapse:"
The book's thesis is that the political and economic collapse of the U.S. is inevitable and imminent, that the U.S. is economically and culturally far less prepared for the certain collapse than was the Soviet Union, and that we are facing difficult and even deadly times ahead.
I was surprised at what a good writer Orlov is, and at the originality of his ideas and the acumen of his observations about both the U.S. and the former USSR. Even though I have read nearly every doom-and-gloom article ever written, this book is full of original and useful ideas on how we will be required to live, economically and socially, when the money becomes worthless, the gasoline pumps run dry and the unpaid crushers stop showing up for work. The people who will be best able to cope with the coming changes are those who have useful practical skills, who are good at social networking, or who have good criminal skills. Among his many other predictions is the razing of the the suburbs and their return to nature or to agriculture.
Orlov sports a clever, cynical humor throughout his argument, and perhaps you will derive a lot of amusement and laughter in his pages as I did. He is a U.S. citizen who grew up in Russia and who visited Russia a lot during the eighties and nineties and saw their collapse first-hand.
Sorry I don't today have the inclination to make a good and proper review, but I recommend the book. It is sophisticated, down to earth, insightful and consistently, believe it or hot, full of with and humor, much better than I expected.
I wish to recommend the book "Reinventing Collapse" by Dmitry Orlov. It explains that the U.S. is about to fall apart economically and politically the way Russia did years ago, and it tells how to survive the ordeal.
It is Orlov's thesis that the collapse is inevitable and imminent; there is nothing to be done about it. You could say he's a doom-and-gloomer, but his book is full of his cynical humor. A useful, insightful and in many places a humorous book for so depressing a topic.
This is the way Impeachment ends: Not with a bang but a whimper.
In my sentence above, substitute the words 'Our Republic' for the word 'Impeachment' and you have a truer picture of the crisis that just got deeper.
With this final, official summary report to The People, detailing and documenting Bush and Co.'s illegal activities (but recommending no Impeachment indictments in consequence), a Democratically-controlled Congress has now also officially wiped its own complicitly collective ass with the Constitution; exactly as Bush and Co. have been doing from the beginning.
I tell you: Even those of us who want to believe in the sincerity of a Democrat reform candidate, like Obama, to turn around America's governance crisis-- even WE must now be all the more hard-pressed to explain to ourselves how Obama's ability to bring about reform could be possible given the entrenched, infinitely craven Democrats he would have to work with in Congress.
Here, in this Big Final Report, the Democrats had the only chance they may ever have to begin restoring Constitutional governance: by following through with Impeachment of the Executive.
Instead they choose to simply wring their hands.
" citizen1 ...
...
Anybody bit the two corrupt parties."
Is that meant to be a question? And I seriously suggest that people not start biting anyone; while biting Bush, Cheney, ... the criminal members of Congress and of the Senate might leave a bad, lousy, disgusting taste in your mouths, so also don't start biting them, either.
Joking. I know it was supposed to be 'but' and not 'bit'.
opeluboy June 6th, 2008 7:26 pm
No, guillotine is not the answer. The answer is that the voters refuse to vote for the lesser of the two evils. Obama is not the answer. Sure you may say that we live in a two-party, winner take it all system. But if enough Americans do not continue to support this corrupt system them we have a chance to change it. The alternative is ..... what we have today.
The best time to plant a tree was 10 years ago.... the best time to demand a change was 10 (20? 30?) years ago, bit ht esecond best time is today, this NOvember.
Anybody bit the two corrupt parties.
Maybe if we had a guillotine permantly erected on The Hill it would encourage these cowards to at least act in their own defense.
Worked in France.
OleManRiver - New poll relased today on Think Progress reports that only 7% (not 70%) of Americans favor attacking Iran. See it here: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/05/only-7-percent-support-taking-military-action-against-iran/
" OleManRiver June 6th, 2008 2:16 pm
...
As for something like 70 percent of Americans favoring an attack on Iran, not only are they condemning themselves to repeat history but they are condemning the entire planet."
THE LATTER part of that sentence is very true, but 70% of Americans supporting war on Iran strikes me as surely exaggerated, including very. What "news" media or pollsters stated such a high percentage?
Most poll reports state that the majority of Americans want the war on Iraq and the war-occupation of it to be stopped, and I doubt most of these people would now be supporting war on Iran. They sickeningly might be doing that, but it seems very unlikely to me.
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" TheLorax June 6th, 2008 2:38 pm
It's amazing how slow the Senate is. They are JUST NOW finding this out? Gee whiz. So many of us have known for years that it was BS. It was confirmed in the Downing Street memos as well. Any intelligent person should have known that bush was not a viable candidate for president after it was discovered that Iraq had no WMD. At that point the entire war was a sham and the US stood embarassed before the world."
SURE, and that was known [preceding] the launch of the war; the weapons inspections were greatly proving Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, and the other criminals to be LYING and otherwise or additionally, while also grotesquely, exaggerating, etcetera, all really LIES even if there was some instances of a [little] truth; not half, though.
Bush and Cheney could murder 10 people and congress still wouldn't even think about impeachment.
Just how much can these two get away with? If a democrat had done one-tenth of what these two
have done, they would have been thrown out of office 5 years ago.
Mike C,
If you are not happy with congress like most of us, think about voting for someone better for congress who has a chance to win if you can.
TheLorax June 6th, 2008 2:38 pm
There is also the bill for repairs and reparations to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and Iran PLUS the global costs to humanity and business for the outragious rise in the price of food and fuel. Ditto, the global bank disasters!
"Bush's Political Capital Spent"
And so, it seems, is everyone else's life savings.
NOTE to CD users: I logged out then logged back in to edit more than 2 times. :)
Mike Corbeil,
This article is about Bush yet you offer no constructive way to change course.
You can be against the two party system all you want and it won't change the fact that we will have that 2 party system no matter if you vote or who you vote for. You may think you are smart by ignoring reality thinking you can change that.... The American people with all our faults do not think we are above the Masses. You miss the point that it is decision time now when if you don't like what Bush has done, you can help Bush and McCain by throwing your imaginary arrows at the system or you can help the American people by voting for something better that will help.
Some here want to make things worse, so they can start over.... another childish fantasy and one of the many problems with that for you will be is when things do get worse if McCain wins, you will have to change your name unless you enjoy getting blamed for not helping the country improve. You may enjoy that too.
I know you will not change your fantasy of changing our system with your vote or blogging with no constructive suggestions like many others here... Yet most Americans even when they we fooled are not as foolish as what you think your vote will do.
Again you offer nothing real to change course...Just more Doom and Gloom.
If by some fantasy in your head everyone agreed with you, the system will still be the winner take all two party system after the election.
But You can keep repeating your state of denial because all readers know what has been said and can make up our own minds and I have hope in the people to make the best choice now and most of us don't pretend when it comes to what is important for our future now.
So if it makes you happy, repeat what you and other Gloom and Doomers have said over and over again because it will not do you or anyone any good.
" kloro June 6th, 2008 1:19 pm
of course, the really interesting article is about McCain's knowledge of the deception as he promoted the invasion."
SO WHAT ARTICLE is that? Or do you mean "the really interesting point in this article" by Jim Lobe?
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" Jim Glover June 6th, 2008 12:59 pm
Citizen1,
Obama, including yourself and all of us on Common Dreams have done nothing to politically stop Bush because, Bush ignores everyone who is against his policies."
ONLY BECAUSE OF the criminal Congress!
"Only a new president who has a chance to win can do anything to change."
NO, CONGRESS could have stopped the complete threat of this war on Iraq BEFORE it was launched.
"Now since it is obvious that only Obama is the candidate left in the race who has the guts to oppose any of this and the willingness to listen and learn, he is our best shot."
THAT IS NOT OBVIOUS truth. You only speak of what you hope to be true. Only the future will tell if he is elected President and, so far, we have no real evidence of substantial kind for believing a President Obama would do as you wish he would.
I believe that it is obvious that Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney, and if elected President, would do everything possible to address these crimes and hold the criminal perpetrators accountable; although the Congress and the Senate likely would oppose. Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich also would likely act as is needed. But Obama? Seems doubtful, imo; and his extreme and unacceptable pro-Israel and, therefore, pro-Zionism support already indicates that if stays this way once elected President, then it's not likely that he'll do anything really good or significant about the war criminals of the U.S. govt, for the Zionists would surely do all they could to get him to not act as is needed. But there are additional reasons for doubting that he'll do as you claim; if he is elected.
There should be an almighty wail demanding the impeachment of the entire Bush administration. That this is barely a topic of coverage in the media means that most people don't know there was an investigation, much less that the conclusion is we were lied to. Only by giving this lots of media coverage -- and explaining to the masses that this deception is worthy of impeachment -- can we make the citizenry take notice. I despair of this, however, because this tragedy will never be as compelling to the idiot masses as is American Idol, Lost, Desperate Housewives, Wife Swap, etc. etc. (And isn't it sad that I know that these programs exist even though I've never watched one episode of any of them?)
bbr-001 June 6th, 2008 6:01 pm
"... Vote for Obama...."
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Until people understand that the Dems (including Obama) are part of the problem and not the answer we are in for much worse things.
What has Obama done to make Bush accountable for his war crimes? NOTHING
What has Obama done to stop funding this illegal war? NOTHING
What has Obama done to start a balanced and impartial Middle East policy? NOTHING (as he has recently confirmed he is a "staunch supporter" of Israel's colonial and racist policies)
So, what makes you think that Obama is the solution?
THis November, anybody but the two parties (aka the military-industrial-Congress-Israel complex)
Its a shame Laurel and Hardy aren't around to parody this. I can see bin Laden laughing as our two heroes drive the Model T off a bridge into the Euphrates with the Dubya handing the torn loose steering wheel to Dickie. What did they always say? "You've really done it this time!" I guess the Keystone Cops could play Congress.
Seriously, this episode is becoming the biggest and saddest waste of lives, good will abroad, and money in American history. Vote for Obama. Its domestic regime change. McCain wants to continue the current policy in Iraq and not "surrender", which means he won't give back the Iraqis their country (at least until the oil is gone).
I think there is no impeachment because they are afraid of the Bush administration...
There should have been an impeachment..if the government were functioning properly..
So now the quesion is ..what are they afraid of?
war with Iran?
blackmail of some sort?
I welcome what the two reports state, and am hopeful about it all, and appreciate learning of the secret meetings with the Iranian dissidents, Michael Ledeen, and so on; but still don't find it acceptable for the Senate and the Congress to escape from being held accountable. We did not need to be historians, etcetera; only having needed to be able to know that the only valid answer immediately was 'No!', that simple, but real commonsense, the sound kind, not stupid common way bs, immediately indicated 'NO!'.
After all, supreme international crimes aren't classified as 'supreme' and 'crimes' based on nonsense reasoning.
""In making the case for war, the administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent," the Committee chairman, Sen. Jay Rockefeller, said on releasing the 172-page report. ...
"There is no question we all relied on flawed intelligence," he added. "But, there is a fundamental difference between relying on incorrect intelligence and deliberately painting a picture to the American people that you know is not fully accurate.""
I CAN AND WILL AGREE that there is such a difference, technically speaking; BUT MANY OF US KNEW Bush et al were LYING, grotesquely exaggerating or distorting some truths, etcetera, and that the launching or even only the threat of launching the war machine could NEVER be justified.
What the Senate is hereby illustrating to me is that they're trying to escape from holding themselves responsibly and intelligently accountable. They have NO excuses that can be justifiably acceptable; NOT IMO, the one that counts to me, most of all.
After all, and it [is] elementary: What's the first position to take about leaders threatening, and only worse, committing war and all other kinds of real injustices or crimes? KISS (the 'keep it simple, stupid' principle) "says" that the position is to be immediately taken and is vociferously "NO!"; always! The principle of responsible and intelligent citizenship reinforces KISS, in this social respect of applying KISS, anyway.
Hence, I'm finding it disgusting that the Senate is finally beginning to do something right, in the manner that it's happening. It's disgusting due to them trying to distance themselves from real accountability for their own and inexcusable decisions and votes. Shit, there also was no real justifiability for the Oct. 2002 authorization of the Congress; it, in and of itself, alone, illustrated, and clearly so, "only" more U.S. hegemony, hypocrisy, ... international criminality.
I'm interested in seeing what will now happen after the release of this Senate committee report that should've appeared as of 2003, if not even late 2002; hoping we'll finally obtain good decisions. But I'm still disgusted by the evident effort of the Senate to try to escape from serious, really any and all, accountability. The Senate and Congress pumped more U.S. taxpayers' dollars into all of this criminality than the Bush-Cheney cabal demanded or called for.
We have had more than enough people posting on all of this since late 2002 or early 2003.
The U.S. needs major govt regime change; impeachment being far from adequate. The executive branch, the Congress, and the Senate, ALL of the members who sided with this criminal war making and continuation are UNFIT to serve in [any] political offices and should be replaced; minimally. Like said in the military, "Shape up, or ship out!", and these politicians have had too many years to "shape up".
Fake democracy and willybill:
Let's do it! I'm all for a drive to DC.
Million car march! Million car march!
Let us eat cake, huh guys? Oh yeah that's right, we grow your wheat!
Citizen1...thank you for your response. You don't know me so you have no idea what I'm for. I'll tell you. I'm for life. I'm for freedom. I'm for people being their own authority. I'm for decentralization of government, food production, energy harvesting. I'm for making Earth a priority (because without earth, there will be no life, including us).
Personally I think the republicans and the democrats suck. They are all beholdin' to corporate interests, (read as) people who value money more than life.
Binary thinking maintains the status quo of people living in fear ruled by their reptilian brain. I'm all for people waking up and seeing that they have more choices. I'm for living outside of the box. I don't own property. I am not "employed." I travel, teach, spend my life in service.
The US has never been a democracy. The mythology that has been and is still fed to the public is lies published by profiteers.
I'm for real rights...the right to live in peace, the right to be who you are, the right to pursue meaningful life no matter what color, sex, sexual orientation, body type, age.
The biggest issue in the US is economic class, and yet people are continually pitted against each other by corrupt (for profit) media and politicians, all to keep the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.
I'm for peaceful revolution. I'm for saying NO to being lied to and manipulated by those who profit. Bushes, Clintons, McCains, Obamas...they are all where they are because in one way or another they have been willing to exploit others.
That's a taste of what I'm for.
fakedemocracy June 6th, 2008 4:09 pm.... Now, there is one hell of an idea!
Passive resistance. Shut down the whole MACHINE before it shuts us down.
Since the economy is bound to the war... and since no elected officials are putting a stop to this tomorrow... I think we should form a townhall meeting to discuss how to put the brakes on the wartime economy.
I suggest we hold the meeting in our cars on our interstate highway system during morning rush hour. Just pull up to the fast lane, and the next lane, and the next lane.... put your car in park and we will call the meeting to order.
Obama is on record as saying he's against impeachment. In the article I found, he specifically said that he thought impeachment should be reserved for 'serious offenses'. Given that the Downing St memo came out years before this statement, its interesting that Mr. Obama doesn't regard lying to start an illegal war, which leads to death of more Americans than who died on 9-11 and the deaths of probably hundreds of thousands if not millions of other people .... as a 'serious offense'.
Maybe this official Senate report would make him change that stance, but I'm not holding my breath. Obama's been fully on board and supportive of this war since joining the Senate.
All of which makes me curious why people think 'a new President' is going to do anything about this. I can't think of any statement Obama has made where he promises to take criminal legal action against anyone who's involved.
So, what you'll see with a new President ...
-- there will be some token withdrawals of troops.
-- Obama has promised that American troops will still be in Iraq at the end of this term, so its a certainty that we won't totally withdraw.
-- Obama will keep us fighting in Iraq, but with somewhere between 35,000 and 70,000 troops (instead of the current 140,000). The bloodshed will continue. But with fewer troops what we'll see is increasing air attacks which means greater indiscriminate killing of civilians will increase.
-- Obama's only criticism of current policy is that we should be fighting more in other places around the middle east. He repeatedly uses the Democratic language of fighting on the wrong battlefield. So, expect the troops withdrawn from Iraq to be fighting in Afghanistan or Pakistan or maybe Iran.
-- Obama will make lots of pretty speaches that sound great but which do nothing to change any of the above.
Nothing new here that we don't already know... In fact, the report downplays the actions of the Bush administration and doesn't call it as it is... one big LIE... not an unintentional misuse of intelligence, or faulty intelligence... it was LIES... plain and simple. No amount of language legerdemain is going to make any difference to the facts.
And, the action the Senate is taking is .....?
Lying to lead the country into war is one of many items that have been listed as impeachable offenses. And the Senate, especially the Senate Democrats are doing exactly what? Especially given that they all publicly took oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution. So, the Senate is doing exactly what about this?
Rene and Ron R
The NY Times ran an editorial about this Senate Report today
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/opinion/06fri1.html?
The Truth About the War
and if you get a chance take a look at reader's comments...almost every comment could appear here at CommonDreams
The criticism many had is that the Times stopped short of calling for impeachment...
The Downing Street Memo was released when? In 2002. It stated categorically, that the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.
Jay Rockefeller and all of the reticent and complicit bastards, these so called representatives in Washington can shove that 172-page report right up their kester.
These people are as usless as tits on a bull.
This is a list of Republicans that I consider traitorous.
They are the ones who tried to suppress the report about the lies used to send the US into a war of choice:
Christopher Bond, Missouri, up in 2010;
Richard Burr, North Carolina, up in 2010;
Saxby Chambliss, Georgia, up in 2008;
Orrin Hatch, Utah, up in 2012; and
John Warner, Virginia, up in 2008 (not seeking reelection)
Rene. This is the type of article that the citizens of "The Excited States of Paranoia" should send to everyone in thier mailbox! Ron.
Salman - "Why was Bill Clinton nearly impeached over ML case. I guess it ok to lie and kill people as long as you are a Republican."
Clinton didn't have all those massive groups behind him that Bush has - like the ones keeping us from hearing anything in the media about what's going on.
ROCKIN ROB June 6th, 2008 3:05 pm
Not worth responding..... (however, if you can read, read my previous post)
Oh, by the way, every country gets the government it deserves. Your message supports the above statement.
Jim Glover June 6th, 2008 12:59 pm
"... because, Bush ignores everyone who is against his policies...."
Congress ignores people like me because they are accountable to big money, corporations and the Israeli lobby. Therefore Bush can afford to ignore me/us.
"..Only a new president who has a chance to win can do anything to change.."
Aren't you confusing two separate issues? Of course Obama has the chance to win. But a totally separate issue is, based on what he has done and said so far, what is the chance that he will do the right thing? ZERO. Some people say that once he is elected he will do the right thing. Call me a skeptic but this doesn't wash with me. We can call ourself lucky if a politician keeps half the promises he/she makes before getting elected. And you are suggesting that after being elected Obama will do the "right thing"? As I said before, dream on...
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baruch June 6th, 2008 1:54 pm
"Citizen1, how about offering something constructive? All you do is rant and criticize people who post here…what are you FOR?"
Good question. First of all, I am trying to expose the reality, which is: the Democratic Party (together with its candidates) is the problem, and not the solution. Take Bill Clinton's 8 years and the following 8 years of the Dems as the "opposition party" (you note I put it in quotes). Nothing, I repeat, nothing, that has happened during the Bush regime could have happened without the Dems' complicity. That's one reason why Bush will not be held accountable. So I am FOR helping others see the reality.
Next, not supporting the problem (both the dems and the repubs) is what I am FOR. You may say we do not have an alternative. Of course if you don't ask for an alternative you'll never get one. So I am FOR supporting (almost) any candidate other than from the two parties.
Wake up. The establishment (that's the DemRepub Party, the Congress-military-industrial-complex, and the Israeli lobby) wants you to think that you do not have an alternative. I am FOR creating that alternative - by supporting any candidate that goes against the two party system. If you all, instead of criticizing me, stopped supporting the Dems (= complicit party) then we might have an alternative.
So, what are you FOR? For continued support of the complicit party, in spite o f the overwhelming evidence?
CITIZEN 1; YOU SOUND LIKE THAT OTHER BUNCH OF A-HOLES THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING SPOUT LIES AND INUENDO (BUSH, CHENEY ET AL) FOR 8 YEARS. YOU PROBABLY NEVER HAD AN ORIGINAL THOUGHT IN YOUR FEEBLE MIND. ROCK OFF, BUE!!!!!
TheLorax, I love the way you think!
Accountability is only for those of us that can be held accountable. Impeachment seems to be the answer but no one seems to enlighten us with where, when and how? I have written to all of the U.S. Senators in my State and all I get back are canned answers.
Senate Finds Pre-War Bush Claims Exaggerated, False
If this is not an impeachable offence than what is.....
Why was Bill Clinton nearly impeached over ML case. I guess it ok to lie and kill people as long as you are a Republican.
Maybe the we need to apologise to President Nixon for the watergate. Compared to these guys he was a saint....
What a bunch of goddamn dolts. They should be prosecuted. It is utterly inexcusable that 100 senators can be so incompetent - more than a million dead, a trillion dollars wasted...Oops?
I do not recommend violent revolution. But it would put a smile on my face.
Actually, a total economic and political collapse is looming - and I reckon it a good thing. Nothing will change in this country until there is no money left to pay the pigs of Homeland Security and the pigs of the local militarized police forces.
Only when the money is gone and the pigs stay home will people be allowed to rebuild a new society. Between now and the collapse, we can expect nothing but social repression and continued government criminality.
So do all you can to hasten the coming collapse. There is no other way out of this horrible mess.
It's amazing how slow the Senate is. They are JUST NOW finding this out? Gee whiz. So many of us have known for years that it was BS. It was confirmed in the Downing Street memos as well. Any intelligent person should have known that bush was not a viable candidate for president after it was discovered that Iraq had no WMD. At that point the entire war was a sham and the US stood embarassed before the world. bush should have been immediately impeached and tried for waging a war of aggression.
Instead, 62,040,610 FOOLS went out and cast a vote for him.
Most still think voting for him was a good idea. Of course, those are people that most likely couldn't even spell the name of the town they live in.
The cost of the war is up to $526,016,525,214. Since 62,040,610 people voted for the war in 2004, they should each be sent a "War Bill" for $8,478.58 (the amount of American taxpayer money they have wasted) and be sent a monthly bill thereafter for "War Cost". That'll clear up the debt right away. Furthermore, anyone that voted for the bush/Cheney ticket in 2004 (male or female) that is of age to serve in the military should be immediately conscripted into service and sent to Iraq. All their names are on record so they can be located and drafted easily.
It's time to start holding people accountable. Since there's no accountability at the top we'll just use the trickle down effect. I'm tired of paying for other people's stupidity.
Impeach!
Obama's VP needs to be part Judge Roy Bean and part Vlad The Impaler to clean up this mess.
Ken Mitchell----
I don't know where you got Churchill as the source of that quote on history, but it is generally attributed to George Santayana, and the word "condemned" is substituted for "doomed."
As for something like 70 percent of Americans favoring an attack on Iran, not only are they condemning themselves to repeat history but they are condemning the entire planet. There is no militaristice solution in Iraq, and no militaristic solution for Israeli interests in our attacking Iran. You don't like $4 gas? Try $10 gasoline, or not even enough gas to mow your frigging lawn. All for the aggrandizement of our "War President." Bush is an economic Terrorist and a Serial Liar. Impeach.
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