Forextrader has it backwards. Israel is U. S. occupied territory. As is Iraq.

Yes, it makes me sick too, but the tone is a little different in a way that would not have been tolerated a short time ago. Say what you want about the Jewish (Zionist) people, but the one thing they are not is stupid, they know the worm has turned and they are not going to get away with as much as they have in the past. They better get with the program or experience a pedulum swing in the opposite direction that could get real ugly. The ignorance of the American people that worked for them in the past can also work AGAINST them just as easily.

again, a mistake to create a jewish state, and the humility required to acknowlege that would go a long way. enough of misguided superiority and arrogance. peace through equall citizenship, a one state solution.

"Financial contributions from Jewish donors account for as much as 20 percent of Republican campaign funds and as much as 40 percent of Democratic funds, according to a recent article by the Forward, the largest nationally circulated Jewish newspaper in the U.S."

And thus one influential lobby forces the would be leaders of the United States to approach them on their knees and speak sweet nothings to them - swearing fealty to a foreign state above their own.

A veritable parade of politicians on their knees in front of AIPAC. It makes me nauseated to read Obama's remarks and those of the other candidates. It seems they must first convince AIPAC of their fitness to defend Israel before they can then go in front of the American people and convince them of their fitness to defend America.

How the hell did we get here? And how the hell do we tell AIPAC and all of those who loyalties lie first with a foreign state to buzz off?

These candidates do everything except publicly kiss the Israeli flag. No other foreign country in the world engenders such slavish devotion from our would be and current leaders.

How did we get here? We've been "here" for more than 40 years! Are you just now figuring this out?

The real question is how do we normalize our relations with this foreign nation who doesn't, nor shouldn't, hold the US's best interests above its own.

Mr. Imperialist-light has thrown off his mask. Regrettably only few will notice. On the Middle East there is not even a micrometer of light between his and McCain's position. He has just given Israel the green light to bomb Iran once he becomes our next president.

Obama just demonstrated by whoring for AIPAC that the US is nothing but an Israeli occupied territory.

poopdeck: Oh, I'm sure Obama knows that we're going to be bombing Iran before the election anyway, so why shouldn't he join the bloodfeast early?

Pandering.
Whatever he needs to say to get the vote he'll say. He'll talk and talk.
If he takes Clinton as a VP, then you can know for certain that all this is just a huge set-up.
There has been a Clinton or bush as president or vice-president since 1980. I would vote for McCain before allowing that monarchy to continue. Allowing a bush or a Clinton into the White House is the worst possible thing that can happen to what's left of this country.

Forextrader has it correct otherwise there wouldn't be a need for a lobby.

Change we can believe in? What change? Just another supine US politician showing his servile rump to extremist AIPAC hyenas. Bite me!

All this week, certain comments maddeningly disappear without an explanation or trace when I hit "Submit Comment".

But other comments show up normally. There seems to be no special correlation between the content of the comment and its evaporation.

I usually try not to gratuitously post comments, but I really don't see any point in trying to reconstruct the one that's been zapped-- I expect this one to disappear too. In case it doesn't, does anyone have any insight into what's going on with the CD comments?

little brother,

Try to always copy your comments to your clipboard (select, right click, copy) before hitting "submit".

The (free/public domain) web-forum software CD uses is quite buggy. It also has a lot of automated-censorship fetures that the CD webmaster never turned off edited For the longest time one couldn't even use the word "zionist".

But back to the topic. The disbelief and outrage among Arabs to Obamas speech - especially his "Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish state" was universal. Even the rather compromised Abbas was apalled. So one of the following must be the case:

1. Obama is appallingly ignorant as to Palestinian aspirations when he made this speech; or,

2. Obama fully understands the Palestinian anger that his speech would provoke, but doesn't give a goddamn what the brown Arabs want, the contributions of his Rich White Jew friends are more imoportant.

And while I fully understand the actual complex symbiotic relationship between US Imperialism and Zionism, can anyone blame forextrader for having his point of view toward Israel, and possibly Jews as a group? What else is one to conclude in the face of this spectacle of the most powerful nation on earth kowtowing, kissing ass, and bestowing billions of dollars of gifts on a tiny religious/ethnic minority and their "Jewish State"?

So, if someone with a less sophisticated analysis is found dusting off an old copy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" should we, and particularly AIPAC and the Zionists, be suprised?

In fact, it is hard to believe that this isn't a deliberate effort by AIPAC underway to provoke Arab hatred in the ME, and anti-semitism in the US and elsewhere, so as to self-justify their acts of brutal repression, first in Palestine and Iran, and later here at home.

I'm on the anti-Zionist far left, and just reading the agenda of AIPAC fills me with disgust. I'm Jewish and actively interact with diverse Jews, although usually not positively. Nevertheless, I don't think that more than 10 to 20% would not feel some discomfort at the self-righteousnes and unquestioned sanctimoniousness of AIPAC Nurbemberg rallies. Jewish support for Obama does incorporate some essential criticism of U.S. foreign policy. Since the Iraq war is so unpopular, liberal Jews would like to draw a distinction between U.S. and Israeli occupations. AIPAC rhetoric makes it difficult to do that, and creates a dilemma for liberal Jews. By and large, this will not be articulated.

I wish I really knew how many Jews can watch these sleazy characters on the stage at AIPAC and not feel some revulsion; the days of falling in line with those who claim to represent "the Jewish people" should be long past. But intimidation, loyalty, and conformity are strong forces, beyond an unwillingness to acknowledge just how criminal this whole enterprise is. It's hard for us to give up the notion that we're basically "nice" people, as Jews or Americans. An AIPAC meeting should obliterate this illusion.

Even before he is nominated he goes down on his knees and performs ____ to AIPAC. This is shameful. We are controlled like puppets by israel and the AIPAC. Money for favours. Nothing changes. Please lets not insult prostitutes by calling this whoring or some such derogatory term. The future leader of the most powerful nation on earth on his knees before a bunch of rabid zionists is a spectacle i wish i had never observed.

-"Jerusalem must remain the capital of Israel, and must remain undivided," said Obama.

It is kind of hard to negotiate peacefully when the world's hyperpower is predetermining the outcome, even to the dismay of Washington's puppet Abbas, the head of the losing party in the last Palestinian elections.

While disappointing to anyone on the side of peace in the Middle East, this statement perhaps should not come as a surprise. Nor should anyone expect things to change if Obama gets elected. There will always be another congressional or presidential election to raise funds for and the Democrats can't raise that kind of cash from people who can't even afford healthcare and need to join the army to pay for their education.

digreen_50,

I only wish that Jews on the left can somehow gain the sort of influence in their communities and congregations that they have in left-activism and academia. But unfortunately, just being on the left leads to exterme marginalization for anyone in the US. I am a leftist (non practicing) Catholic, and when my local church was pealing war-tunes on it's carillion (Marine fight song, Air Force Song, etc.) for evening vespers, (starting the evening of September 11!). I called and protested, but the priest blew me off and the Bishops office ignored me.

What seems to happen is when any religious/ethnic minority group "buys in" to the institutions of power and "becomes white", political conservatism soon follows. When I lived in the south, where Catholics are to some extent a discriminated minority, they were much more progressive. But when I moved to the northeast, where catholics are often a majority in the cities and entrenched political establishments, I was shocked at the political conservatism of the hierarchy.

Obama "walked a fine line" at the AIPAC show. Gimme a break! That was typical pathetic subservience, friend, another American pol bowing and scraping to the Israeli occupier. At least the Palestinians show a fight.

Based on the comments, many of the "progressive" posters would be more comfortable on Stormfront. At least there your anti-Semitism is at least honest- which yes, most comments lumping Jewish people together as a monolithic group that only behaves badly is (Jewish control of government, feelings of superiority, blood(feast) lust, smart or conniving, comfort with the Protocols, etc.)
I ask, do you support national liberation for every minority group but the Jews, perhaps the most oppressed minority in history? Do you support violence by all oppressed minorities except Jews? Some were more comfortable when Jewish communities were the stepstools for the world, and pogroms could come and go without resistance.
Would prior posters be comfortable with constant negative sweeping statements about Arabs, or Hindus? (yes some probably would, but will just wait until posting on rightwing sites to do so).
If you care so much about donating, step up and donate. Individual Jews not only give generously to AIPAC, but to many other causes as well. How many hospitals have been created through Jewish generosity?
First Europeans told Jews to go back to Palestine before killing them, now they want them to go back to Europe? Hard to fathom that they would be welcomed, given the many examples in Europe of desecrating cemeteries, verbal attacks by politicians, physical attacks, etc.
One should believe that the amount of critiquing the Jewish state is somehow proportionate in relation with the many other conflicts in the world, and not based on prejudice? Look at the log in your own eye first.

TheLorax: Why would you go straight to McCain when there are other options like Ralph Nader or the Green Party with candidates like Cynthia McKinney.
It's time to think beyond to two party system people.

bamabanjo-
The anger here is not against the Jewish people as a whole. I've been to Haifa and Tel Aviv. The people in both places were friendly and hospitable. I've been to Jebel Ali/Dubai and the Muslims there were also friendly and hospitable. It would be rediculous to assume that all Jews or all Muslims are bad. (Both are far better than Christians)
The political attitudes of Israel and Lebanon are atrocious. Israel has killed thousands of Palestinian women and children. They have murdered and tortured Palestinian political prisoners. Israel harbors nuclear weapons and is a threat to Middle Eastern peace.
On the other hand, Lebanon has done EXACTLY the same things. The killing and bombing from them is equally appalling. Although they do not have nuclear weapons, their threat to regional peace is just as grave.
The revulsion people feel toward this pandering to AIPAC is not Anti-Semitism. It is because we know better than to support one side when both are wrong. Israel needs to grow up. Lebanon needs to grow up. The USA needs to get some responsibility and straighten out BOTH sides. Until that happens this moronic conflict will continue.

So much for sanity in the Middle East.

ThinkForYourself-
You are correct. I didn't mean to imply any postive attitude towards McCain. Truly the deep concern I feel regarding political monarchy sometimes clouds my vision. Thanks for the tip.

"Let me be clear," Obama said, "Israel's security is sacrosanct. It is non-negotiable. The Palestinians need a state that is contiguous and cohesive and that allows them to prosper. But any agreement with the Palestinian people must preserve Israel's identity as a Jewish state, with secure, recognized and defensible borders. Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided," he added, in efforts to secure the Jewish vote.

Sounds like pandering to Israel to me. And to be hostile to Palestine.

And what is this about him wearing a US pin and an Israeli one?

Evidently he will do anything to win.

Bamabanjo that's rubbish! There are Jewish people of good will that are anti-Zionist, also disgusted with the Israeli occupation and with AIPAC. Are you going to call them anti-Semites? Are you going to tell them to read Stormfront?

Bamabanjo, it just give it up, it just isn't working anymore. We would all be railing against the Cuban lobby also,if there was as much at stake. The future of the world is in play and Aipac has our political leaders by their short hairs and everyone knows it.

As AllTogetherNow said (9:44 am), the only solution is a one-state solution. A continuation of the current Zionist, racist theocracy, with no right of return for Palestinian refugees, negates any possibility of peace in the ME. Now Obama and MacCain have endorsed a unified Jerusalem as the capital of Israel--tantamount to a declaration of war on Islam. The farther right Obama moves, the farther left I move. I've made many donations to his campaign in order to stop Hillary. OK, mission accomplished. Now my money goes to McKinney until further notice.

I can see why Jews (however the term is defined) aren't racing to denounce Israel. If I were Jewish, I'd be criticizing Zionist racist supremacism, but only within carefully defined limits. Anyone who's read histories of the Holocaust understands why Jews are paranoid. Who would have imagined that humanity was capable of such nightmarish, assembly-line sadism? But the principle of talion is part of the problem, not the solution.

Racism and religious fanaticism have caused untold human suffering over the course of history. I was hoping that Obama might help us avoid some of the needless bloodshed and suffering that have become hallmarks of human existence. Guess not.

In response to bamabanjo June 5th, 2008 2:05 pm, I'll go through it piece by piece.(Lord knows why)

-"…your anti-Semitism is at least honest- which yes, most comments lumping Jewish people together as a monolithic group…"

Well I see what previous posters mean about the resort to the "anti-semitism" attack, gee right in the first paragraph too. As for "lumping", err, I guess just because people get together and call themselves AIPAC, you wish that we would pretend that they are not together. It is kind of funny though how US tax payers subsidize Israel more than any other nation and then Israel turns around and uses that money to lobby the US government for more support. And surprise, it is the ninety percent of Americans who aren't getting tax breaks that are paying for it.

-"do you support national liberation for every minority group but the Jews"

I wasn't aware that "Jews" were seeking "national liberation".

-"Would prior posters be comfortable with constant negative sweeping statements about Arabs, or Hindus?"

You are being vague. What sweeping statements?

-"If you care so much about donating, step up and donate"

I think it was a French woman who said it best: "Let them eat cake." Perhaps if Americans didn't send billions of dollars to the Israeli government every year (more than anywhere else), people would have the money to donate.

-"First Europeans told Jews to go back to Palestine before killing them, now they want them to go back to Europe?"

I haven't met any "Europeans" who want Israelis to move back to Europe but I'm sure some do. I think however that that would be yet another injustice. In any case that isn't what the Palestinian leaders are calling for. Have you heard of the "two state solution"?

-"One should believe that the amount of critiquing the Jewish state is somehow proportionate in relation with the many other conflicts in the world, and not based on prejudice?"

For my part I feel the same revulsion for the present Israeli policies as I did for Apartheid South Africa. Does that make it any clearer?

"I ask, do you support national liberation for every minority group but the Jews, perhaps the most oppressed minority in history? Do you support violence by all oppressed minorities except Jews?"

First we have to establish whether Jews are a religion or a nationality. They are clearly the former, not the latter. A state that is built around a religious identity is called a theocracy and, like Saudi Arabia is to Islam, and Hindutuva movement/BJP is to the Hindu Religion, religion-based nationalism is usually a bad thing.

Jews certainly faced opression and pogroms in a relativiely small part of the world (Europe and Russia) in the past. But, for for nearly 60 year, Jews have faced no discrimination whatsoever. They are very well represented, even over-represented in high paying professional occupations, academia, government and corporations, so where is the opression. They are about as opressed in the US as WASP's are.

Arab leaders have reacted with anger and disbelief to an intensely pro-Israeli speech delivered by Barack Obama, the US Democratic presumptive presidential nominee.

Obama told the influential annual policy conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Council (Aipac): "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided."

His comments appalled Palestinians who see occupied East Jerusalem as part of a future Palestinian state. [Aljazeera]
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His comments have appalled this voter too. Where are the Greens on this genocidal cleansing of Palestineans?

Barnabanjo--I've been to some blog comment sections where some of the people clearly were Jew haters and sometimes black haters and haters in general. But for the most part (there were one or two posts I wasn't sure about) that's not happening here. It sounds to me like you're making the kneejerk assumption that harsh criticism of Israel and even Zionism is equivalent to anti-semitism. You're wrong.

As for other national liberation movements, when an ideology is used to justify massive human rights violations then it has gone seriously off-track. I happen to think the Palestinian quest for national liberation has also involved massive human rights violations (terrorism) and is tainted because of it. But at least the Palestinians are fighting for land where they were already living, so for all their faults, they're in a better moral position than the ZIonists. Not that this justifies terrorist tactics.

You know, I, too, believe that Zionism is one of the world's worst belief systems EVER, but I DO see the difference in how Obama is handling this extremely sensitive political "football" vs how the republi-fascists are handling it.

the republi-fascists believe that unquestioning support of the militant, bloodthirtsy zionists is the way to go. sounds to me like Obama is taking the first steps in handling this situation with the intelligent delicacy it deserves. one cannot address the anger, pain, suffering and injustice of this situation without SOME measure of subtlety...especially given that aipac and the corporate-controlled media would instantly jump on any hint of telling truth to power.

hell, i know a 20-year old american-born jewish woman who refuses to understand that NOT all muslims are interested in murdering all jews. and this woman has NEVER experienced ANY anti-semitism (as a blond haired blue eyed female and yes, i've asked her point blank if she has or not)...in fact, she only recently left the US...and this mentality is based on ONE book she's read (by a zionist whose name i cannot remember).

seems to me that the progressives on this site are TOO focussed on critizing Obama (i noticed not one person said anything about how mcsame/bush have added oil to the fire, so to speak).

come on now, people, hating either side or casting blame will NOT lead to a potential solution to the mountain of problems that are inherent in this situation (although I DO understand that it relieves the misdirected anger about the injustice of it all).

Peace,
CS

USAn, how can Palestinians be brown and Jews be white, when they are from the same family?

Obama could put this whole thing in perspective by appearing at a "J Street" sponsored event. J Street is the progressive Jewish American lobbying group, that fights back when the Abe Foxman, Alan Dershowitz crowd goes on one of their shameless witch-hunts against "anti-semites' who have the temerity to criticize Israeli government policy. As to why American politicians grovel before AIPAC, I've never really understood. They're a small minority within a small minority. They're positions are usually far to the right of the majority positions of Israelis. They seem to speak primarily for Likud or its spinoff and for the Mossad, rather than for Israel, Israeli's or the Jewish diaspora. In fact, it would be accurate to say that the biggest singel threat to Israel's future is the gratuitously a and perversly violent response of its Rightwing elite to Palestinian actions and demands. The fact that the Palestinian leadership is and has been a bunch of corrupt, dishonest, self-defeating macho jerks doesn't change any of that. Israel can't blame its own stupidity on the stupidity of the Palestinians. The harsh reality is that if Obama moves even one tiny step towards even-handed treatment of Palestinians and Israel, it will be a historic breakthrough in relative terms. And that is what AIPAC fears, which is why they spend so much time trying, often succesfully to strangle debate. As I say, I wonder why so many grovel before them...Could it be the 200 nuclear weapons Israel's military-political elite know we know they have? Isn't Israel the only middle eastern nation to have attacked and killed US servicemen (the USS Liberty)? Would they do it again? Is that why everybody in Washington is so afraid of them?

Greenerthanthou,

Read "How the Irish Became White", by Noel Ignatiev.

But, as far as being "semites" only Sephardic Jews are of middle-eastern descent.

Most US Jews are Ashkenizim, who are descended from the Khazars - a Turkic people who once had a kingdom nation in what is now the Ukrane. One of their kings established Judaism as the state religion. Upon the decline of this kingdom and displacement by Slavs, they migrated to Europe where they adopted the germanic surnames most typically associated with Judaism in the US. The people most similar in their experiences to the Askenazim are probably the Roma, who are originally from India, but the Roma have made being stateless the difining part of their national identity.

He hsa resisted pressure from the Clinton camp...BUT can he resists the israeli lobby? Or will he prove his loyalty to the zionist entity?

I don't know yet if it's the same speech, or if it's another one Obama presented yesterday, but it has the Arab countries in an uproar and if it's like his speech aired on CBC Radio last night, the Montreal or else Ottawa station of CBC anyway, then his words were hellishly and frighteningly pro-Israel. Anyway, Jim Glover posted the link to the following article in a post for another article posted at CD today; and it does seem to be the same speech as this IPS article is about, the speech at AIPAC. That's for the following article, that is; while I'm not sure about the speech aired by CBC Radio. It was a speech since he clinched the nomination and what I heard was entirely and frighteningly pro-Israel.

"UPDATED ON:
THURSDAY, JUNE 05, 2008
12:14 MECCA TIME, 9:14 GMT

Arabs shocked by Obama speech",

by Al Jazeera and agencies,

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/93FE247B-452D-4022-8374-088D8704C1DE.htm

I recently read and thereby learned that political speeches are often censored by the editing out of actual content, and this being done by the U.S. "news" media, "for" the citizens of the USA.

So I wonder why the IPS article's author says Obama's speech was at all good. He is supposedly expert, "doctor" in law and therefore should know full well that many Israeli leaders, military and political, should all be indicted and tried at the international court, where the only valid rule would or could be convictions to damn LONG LIFE sentences without any permitted paroles, ever. Of course that would also require doing the same with many U.S. leaders, given many of them have been Israel's guarantors.

There's NO WAY that he can credibly not be aware of this, so he's clearly NOT pro-LAW, but anti-laws, and so on.

My posts in the following page provide additional resource article links for additional reflection on what we can really believe, vs NOT, of Obama's words or pledges. The following should be the first of those posts.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/06/05/9429/#comment-293658

The Headlines column featuring this story has a close-up of Obama gazing upwards, with a slight frown; it looks like he's watching an asteroid or other luminous body approach from above.

And two articles below is the bloodless face of the monstrous Ehud Olmert, with a faint smile that may not be a smile at all, just a politician's face in repose. So I can't call it a smirk or self-satisfied smile-- but it might be.

The two images form a disturbing antecedent-consequent sequence.

Three cheers for Obama!! I'm so proud to see that my support of him has paid off, since clearly its nothing but my money and mind control that has made him say these things, he couldn't possibly BELIEVE that israel has the right to defend itself now could he?

Sorry lefties, but I strike again to break up your circle-jerk. CD tries to keep me down, but like Obiwan every time I'm struck down I return more powerful then before. You all know my name, you all know my game...

dlgreen, I can't tell you how angry it makes me so see other jewish people saying the things you say. If israel didn't stay strong in the face of arab aggression, they would simply not exist. Its simply not true to claim that most jews do not support AIPAC's efforts on israel's behalf. Yes, we don't support the iraq war, but politicians know this. They don't have to go along with any other policy of AIPAC other then the support of israel to be assured jewish votes. Look at how many anti-iraq war politicians, such as Russ Feingold, are jewish themselves. What other claims do you make? I don't see anything of substance in what you said at all, other then to pander to jew-haters.

USAn, yes, the CD software, and the people behind it, are worse then the chinese government. Its pissing me off quite a bit but it won't stop me. Oh, and FORGET about leftist jewish traitors having any impact on our opinions. Look, do you REALLY not believe that the arabs are a threat to israel? Do you REALLY not believe that they won't do anything to kill any israel they can find? Or do you just not care? I completely understand you not caring, but you should understand equally that I do.

jarielly, you think israel is a military threat to the us? Man, you need to let people know about this!

What kills me is that you lefties say this kind of insane stuff, and then expect me to take the rest of what you say seriously, and seriously consider changing my opinion on israel. How do you ever expect to change the opinions of jews, when you sound like insane nazis?

I remarked about this issue in the Comments to John Feffer's article The Way to a Just Foreign Policy also appearing today on CD.

Zionists will not approve (natch).

But one point. Should we really be angry at our politicians for having to bow down to these thugs, or at the thugs who force them to bow down?

" Little Brother June 5th, 2008 6:22 pm

The Headlines column featuring this story has a close-up of Obama gazing upwards, with a slight frown; it looks like he's watching an asteroid or other luminous body approach from above."

I SURE HOPE it's not another "being of light" that the Blairs, Tony and wife, and I believe also the Bushes, GW and wife, have been said to sometimes communicate with; not a "being" like a "body" of rock, but some sort of mystical character, for or about whom real Christians, perhaps all critical readers of Biblical scripture, realise is NOT a being of real good, but a "false light being".

If he thinks he's seeing and communicating that that "being" too, then we're in trouble. If he's really having such communication, then we're in ever BIGGER, worse trouble and then it's time to arrest these people and have them psychiatrically or psychologically treated.

Can't tell you one way or the other, if they really see and communicate with or receive messages from such a "being", for I'm certainly not present when these things supposedly happen; but if they really do, then "HEAD FOR THE HILLS, WE'RE IN BIG TROUBLE!", say. After all, our courts of so-called law and the law enforcement forces then are all compliant, by complicitly allowing such sick people to serve in U.S. politics. We could try to spot that so-called "being of light" and shoot it on sight, but not likely to be successful is this.

Ariel Sharon. Good choice for a handle. He's comatose, too.

Arik, I would say you're brain dead, but you make a very good point, namely about Sen. Feingold, who might be anti-Iraq War, but he was pretty vociferously pro-Lebanon War. So his Democratic and AIPAC creds were indeed never in question.

Correction. My remarks are in response to Now What by Koehler.

"In case it doesn't, does anyone have any insight into what's going on with the CD comments?"

little brother,

I've noticed that this would happen if I tried inserting any markup language such as italics or bold. I suspect a poster or two (I can think of one in particular) got carried away and CD clamped down.

Dunno if there are other situations that make posts disappear.

Yup, I just confirmed the above situation.

Opel. pray tell how do we force people to do anything? What on earth kind of argument is that? I have the same political options open to me as you do, I just use them better, apparently.

corvo, thank you. Even Feingold, lefty fool that he is, is not so low as to bow down to terrorist aggression. Good for him.

I actually respect Feingold though I certainly don't usually agree with him. There are some other good examples as well, like the late great Wellstone. But anyway, back to your circle-jerk...

FYI Are people aware of the following issue? The capital of Israel is Tel Aviv, right? BUT guess what is on many internet sites like WIKI:

'Jerusalem (Hebrew: יְרוּש;ָׁלַי'0;ם‎ (audio) (help·info), Yerushaláyim; Arabic: القُدس; (audio) (help·info), al-Quds)[ii] is the capital[iii] of Israel.'

however:

'Jerusalem has not been internationally recognized as Israel's capital, and no embassies are located in Jerusalem-proper. Palestinians view the eastern part of the city in which the Arab population resides as Occupied and consider East Jerusalem the capital of a potential Palestinian state.[11][12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem

You and your fellow zionist jews may like to see it as the capital, but it has no interantional standing as such. BUT what this illustrates is the work of zionists to make people think it is.
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BBC sorry for calling Jerusalem capital of Israel

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JONNY PAUL, Jerusalem Post correspondent , THE JERUSALEM POST Jun. 15, 2007

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The BBC apologized this week for referring to Jerusalem as Israel's capital, and promised not to repeat "the mistake," following a complaint by four British organizations.

Arab Media Watch, Muslim Public Affairs Committee, Friends of Al-Aksa and the Institute of Islamic Political Thought sent a joint complaint to the BBC after a presenter on its Football Focus program on March 24 mentioned that Jerusalem was Israel's capital and "historic soul."

The BBC's Editorial Complaints Unit posted a response on its Web site: "The reference was a passing one in a context where the focus was on sport, not politics. While recognizing the sensitivity of the issue of the status of Jerusalem, the ECU took the view that the program-makers had taken sufficient action by acknowledging the error and rectifying the Web site."

The Editorial Complaints Unit's ruling was: "Complaint resolved."
etc
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1181813036973

Check fof yourselves.....Zionist jews ared marking out Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and their efforts to use the BBC are revealing.

Did anyone notice how Obama carefully didn't say that Jerusalem wouldn't also be the capital of Palestine? He said undivided, but didn't say anything about a joint rule...

Perhaps he is simple politically savvy when it comes to appeasing this necessary lobby (I mean if he didn't there's no way he'd be elected) while leaving the door open to do other things once in office.

It's a disgusting reality we have to deal with, but honestly he wouldn't be elected without saying this stuff.