The Americans and their penchant for deadly toys! Doesn't the world already possess enough weaponry to kill us many times over? Can't this money be better spent on social programs? Of course, god forbid, the populace should be taken care of...health care for everyone, decent schools, affordable housing, less crime, etc. etc.

I can't say enough BAD things about this ray gun and this laughably one-sided "commercial" for it's use. Not once in this entire, lengthy report is there a single person interviewed who is critical of this weapon. Only glowingly happy reviews with career service military and pentagon officials are viewed here.

Essentially this is an advertisement AND propaganda promotional report done by 60 Minutes/CBS for the Pentagon. It shows how BAD commercial television reporting has become.

The United States government has learned NOTHING from it's disasterous Iraq war experience and abject thousandfold failures therein. Just more of the same, folks: the U.S. government ONLY understands using violent force to kill people and steal their oil. Negotiations, multilateral diplomacy, using economic incentives--none of these intelligent and productive means of foreign policy will ever be used by the vicious and violent USA government.

The USA is no longer "the USA": a country that was once (50 years or more ago) a democracy with some credibility and decency has now devolved into a corporate fascist police state. The USA of the 21st. century is now a mega corporation--with an empty-shell government which exists only to serve the needs of giant multinationals which own and control everything.

It's quite telling that the mock demonstrators in this ray gun report are carrying peace activist signs. It's in implicit way of the U.S. government letting YOU, Common Dreams readers, know that YOU ARE THE TARGET FOR THIS WEAPON.

This weapon will definitely be used AGGRESSIVELY AGAINST U.S. CITIZENS WHO QUESTION THE U.S. GOVERNMENT policy at home or abroad. There will be NO TOLERANCE OF PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS against the giant war machine that is the United States of today.

....and the Iraq war is only a warm up for things to come :)

Next G4 Summit, here it comes.........I minimized it from G8 :-)

You gotta love this amerikan fried chiken crap. Active denial raygun burning up the nerve ends. Lets see how many of these "peace not war" guinea pig turkeys develop some tasty new melanomas in the coming years. And since when do amerikan hired killers not enjoy killing those whose lands and oil they're intent on usurping.

My money is betting that amerika's mean streets will see a lot of this little baby at full juice when the empire scam goes belly up.

"The tragedy of Fallujah would not have occured..." can you believe this garbage?

Bring it on baby!!!!!

I saw a demonstration on TV last week and they had about 20 volunteers who were all running off in pain as fast as they could within three seconds time. So it can control a croud alright. And it was set on "low" power.

It is easy to extrapolate this down to a hand held, eventually. Very short range, very intense. "You wanna argue? Take that!" Just like tasing a handcuffed prisoner who protests his arrest, over and over and over. These things bring the moisture in the flest just under the skin to a near boil in a second or two, hence the pain. Now turn the thing loose on a prisoner who can't get away. Boil his legs. Hitler and the Gestapo would be proud of us.

What US press? The only press we have now is mostly controlled by our Fascist form of government.

As FDR stated, when mega corporations control the government, that essentially is Fascism. That has finally occurred.

Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne sez: "... if we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation. … If I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."

But if this happened to a U.S. citizen, the U.S. press wouldn't dare vilify it.

It makes one happy to be living in an old body...

....-demosthenes June 2nd, 2008 5:07 pm-

"This little 60-Minutes video is the weapon. The target: protesters with "Peace Not War" signs. Are you one of those, honey? You better crawl back into your Prius and leave contritely, or we're going to grill you like a hot dog.

Because the business of America is warfare, and if you don't like it, you're going to get fried."....

This post was so dead on I thought I'd re-post, hope that's cool -demosthenes-.

As the "counterpunch" article shows, countermeasures to this "weapon" could be assembled by people with a fairly basic knowledge of physics and above average materials access and skills.

As several posters here have pointed out, this device would be tactically quite a loser against any group with (large) small-arms and the will to use them. No wonder they don't want to try this on the streets of Sadr City, right?

So given the above, do we really believe this device will or even CAN be effectively deployed against (serious and organized and insurgent) crowds in a typical USAn urban environment?

Or is it in fact much more likely that this "Active Denial System" was developed as part of the military/high-tech complex mission to spend all the damned money in the treasury on sci-fi geegaws in the vague cold-war-mindset hope of stimulating the "advanced technologies" economy?

The fear-inducing factor that may just keep some of -demosthenes'- prius drivers away from a peaceful rally is not, in other words, found in the actual device, but in the much more tried-and-true technology of TV.

The fact that people can be, and are, consistently controlled by mere images and words to explain and enhance them, to me, is a much more disturbing idea than any "ray" -pain, heat, or otherwise- that some corporation can pretend to "develop" to milk the public purse.

It's time to move on from "nonviolent protest" folks, ITS NOT WORKING! THINGS ARE GETTING WORSE, not better.

Now, this doesn't necessarily mean we adopt the attitude of violent insurection, but it does mean we drop the attitude of "protest" and begin to work on some other possiblities which may require meeting violence with violence. Hopefully it won't come to that, hopefully other measures, such as strike, even of a general kind, boycotts, alternative economies and political structures or other methods of subversion and insurgency will be enough.

But everybody on the "Left" NEEDS to embed this Truth deep in their skulls:

-If I am willing to use violence and bring death to keep my power, and you are Unwilling to even THINK about using violence to usurp me, AND you are afraid of death AND you afraid of pain, then I will control you, always and forever-

Protest is for people who live in a democratic system under the rule of Law and within a Constitution that respects fundamental Rights.

If you think the above describes life in the State of the United States of America, then by all means continue to "peacefully protest" and watch TV, and vote DEM, and attend you PTA meetings or whatever other crap you people busy yourselves with.

If you are AWAKE, and AWARE of your surroundings then this is just another thing to add to your list of Preparations, right?

So get to it.

-matti.

By the way, this 60 Minutes piece was just another bit of propaganda from the MMIC (Media-Military-Industrial-Complex), just like the coverage of the crippled spy satellite shoot-down! It's all geared to steer more obscene amounts of money to the pentagon instead of social programs.

off22 gave a good link to an article at counterpunch -
http://www.counterpunch.org/garcia06022008.html

This article gives you the physics behind microwave heating, the basis for this weapon, and ways to protect yourself from it. With the addition of a very strong magnetic field and a computer listening system, you also have the basics of how MRI (magnetic resonance imaging)works in the health care diagnostic imaging environment.

There are many limitations to this weapon system, but the biggest limitation is distance and width of field. Microwaves work very well for heating in the kitchen because they are contained in a very small area, inside the oven. To make this weapon effective at distance, 100 to 200 yards, requires much more power and some type of parabolic or phased antenna aray. The beam must be very narrowly focused to put enough power on a subject at a distance to have an effect. The inverse square law comes into play here in that it takes twice as much power to reach another half the distance.

It's really kind of strange that FREE people are trying to devise ECM (Electronic-Counter-Measures) to their own government, while the government is probably developing ECCM (Electronic-Counter-Counter-Measures) to insure that they (the People) can be subdued.

Their next step up in escalation would probably be to blind you with lasers, a very easy thing for them to do.

By the way, to the person who asked what the effect would be on your eyes, prolonged exposure would cook your cornea like the white of an egg!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZdPVTjt9wc

Microwaves are not healthy for children and other living things. Don't watch this one unless you still think Raytheon's weapon might actually be a good idea. I'm so glad I don't watch TV anymore.

On the other hand, the 60 minutes show about this new device will probably help military recruiters to sign up crazy 'tards like these guys if they ever decide to deploy this device in Iraq:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEe7D5wue4s&feature=related

and these guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLl_hBQGnPU

Since that contraption can make water boil from such a distance, they could point it at the dark clouds above them, dispersing them just enough to let some light shine on their pea brained heads!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI9kDxOHHy4&feature=related

Man, it is too bad those geniuses at Raytheon don't have internet access. Could have saved the taxpayers millions... I mean if anybody there ever had the slightest inclination to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLTodHnJjVw&feature=related

Okay, so maybe the Reynolds wrap idea is not-so-much an option...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lNfBZTz2xQ&feature=related

In addition to what should be obvious, that pregnant women will no longer be able to safely attend protests without risking cooking the unborn (do the fundamentalists working at Raytheon realize this could cause fetus damage, miscarriages/spontaneous abortions?).

Anyway, tell your kids to leave their stuffed animals at home (or get it on videotape and sue the cops big time for emotional suffering).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH0wfF68c4w&feature=related

No safe sex at the demonstration either...

In the video clip the LIAR states that: "The Navy could use it to fend off the Iranian fast boats in the Strait of Hormuz "

That might be helpful if an event like that ACTUALLY HAPPENED .

What a bunch of shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhA4XCn2liQ&feature=related

You know how soldiers don't carry pocket change into combat? Well, now maybe protesters will have to be sure they don't carry bags of snack chips to the demonstration... honey! I shrunk the protesters!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxZExlYoY48&feature=related

And now imagine that the protesters are a peaceful candlelight vigil...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V_Slpnum3s

What a common microwave appliance does to a white grape -- grape plasma. Protester flambe' anyone? Seriously, this reminds me of the reason I left my home pla-- er, didn't they pull crap like this in Nazi Germany?

Clap, clap, clap workreno. My hippy parents pulled me out of the public schools at the end of the Vietnam era and because of that I read MANY books, wrote poetry, watched birds, took a lot of walks in the woods, learned the scientific method, got in a very good college, and most importantly of all learned to think for myself.

"No, you can't have THAT, but if you're an American citizen you are entitled to . . . a microwave oven! Don't watch the food cook!" -- The Tubes, "What Do You Want From Life?"

Last year when my 11 year old son came home from school with a T -shirt that said

"Math is fun with Raytheon" or some bullshit like that I asked a friend and former teacher of mine if she would be interested in schooling my son .

One of the best moves I've made in my life was to remove my son from this Fascist system.

Of course they'll be gunning for us now ,but I can live with that.

"The junior system shown here, has been tested in Iraq and Afghanistan. The victims, I remember the report of a bus load of people, exploded from the inside, without a trace of any "traditional" gunfire or explosive wounds. Their body meat was cooked, "as if" by microwave....As I raise the clarion call, most of my friends and family have willingly lobotomized themselves and are hopelessly lost. At least, in the end, if I die, it will be with my eyes wide open."

1. I remember the same account by the physician, may have even read it on CD (couple yrs ago?) - but I thought it was in Gaza, but I might be wrong.

2. This has been 40 years of bad road. As far as working people are concerned, wouldn't do it to a dog. Regrettably the next 10-15yrs is going to cram 40 years of misery, suffering, and death into a very intense short span. Somebody will call it the Great Shattering. When all the "American" illusions died horrible bloody deaths. 3000 miles of smoking rubble.

Just how many RPGs have American civilians squirreled away over the past 30 years? Automatic weapons. IED technology. It's out there. THEY KNEW. And they also know about fixed targets (like PD HQs)and how to take them out. And probably given that so many have served they have some basic knowledge of tactics and strategy. These have never been the areas of interest in my life and its quite late in the game to start, but America breeds almost as many of them as it does politicians and wife beaters. After the protesters get cooked and never return, they will be waiting. The elders and children will tend the home while the young men and women go on haj. No government to speak of except NUclear States and Trading Blocs.

And it won't be Nat'l Guard or Reservists or even regular grunts to fire these weapons on American Civilians. It'll be Blackwater or CACI or any of a hundred companies with a "Civil Disturbance Prevention" contract and total impunity. And those former Navy Seals, former Rangers, former Special Forces, former.....many with the highest honors this country can give - WILL FRY YOU LIKE MEAT, PISS ON YOUR SMOLDERING CORPSE & FUCK THE WOUNDED SURVIVORS TO DEATH, male or female makes no never mind. It's their job. They want you to know what will happen if you protest.

Americans, as a group have never seen WAR. Never. Watch a 1000 grisly movies and you have not seen a war. The reason is simple. Someone shows you exactly what a firefight, an assault, an invasion is - you will puke your guts all over your nice clothes, shit your pants, and have the screaming heebee jeebees for at least a weak, from a 15 minute (maybe) exposure. The memory will never leave you.

I say this by way of preparation.

We are all niggers on this bus now.

No more insulated white privilege children.

It's happening right now....

Come on out to the DNC and feel the tingle. Or bag on the RNC and go for THE BIG BURN. Oooohhh that HAAAAD TO HURT. Well Charlie, that is one protester that WON'T be coming back after a word from our sponsors...

This thing was developed (see CD article about a month ago) at Linebacker U.

GO PENN STATE.

Gimme an E
Gimme an N
Gimme a S
Gimme a L
Gimme a A
Gimme a V
Gimme an E

Gimme a U
Gimme an S

Whata ya got?

ENSLAVE US ,ENSLAVE US

GO STATE!

Pshaw, this is nothing. For every one thing we are allowed to know about, the government has ten things we will never know about.

How about technology that can detect conversations based on the the vibrations of glass in windows? How about spy drones the size of insects? How about technology that can actually read brain waves? Seem far-fetched? If you can imagine it...

In the end, this is all just details. The fact is that we're well into an Orwellian world. I think the only thing that will save us now is for the proles to revolt any way they can. Guy Fawkes was right!

What will it do to the eyes?

This is serious. We have two choices.
1) Fight back.
2) Or stock up on Reynolds.

John A June Amnesty International documented 150 taser deaths by 2006, there have been many more by now.

"(New York) -- Sixty-one people died in 2005 after being shocked by law enforcement agency TASERs, a 27 percent increase from 2004's tally of 48 deaths, finds an Amnesty International study released today. Including 10 TASER-related deaths through mid-February of this year, at least 152 people have died in the United States since June 2001 after being shocked with the weapons."

http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?lang=e&id=ENGUSA20060328001

Stop believing MSM propaganda John.

"BTW, anyone who thinks that this Neocon/fascist raygun does not "harm" anyone is duped. In all likelihood it, at the very least, causes cancer."

And if so, then probably not just to the targets, but probably to the operators, as well. It doesn't sound too implausible: enlist for several years, get assigned to a unit operating one of these things, find out years later that your trimmed VA benefits won't cover the cost of fully treating the cancer you got from the job, take to the streets with other veterans to protest those cuts, get zapped by some other hapless kid pushing the machine's buttons as he seeks adventure and college money...

The cycle then begins anew. Perhaps it makes the news and some DARPA scientist looks up from his dinner and wonders briefly if the money spent developing the thing in the first place could have maybe been better spent on seeking a cure for cancer...

ctrl=z was right on, I've always wondered why there were so many nutty folks wandering around with foil hats, of course they always claim that the rays are from outer space, but who knows?

Personally I am a big fan of the elevated high pressure water hose that the South Koreans have recently introduced on the streets of Seoul to counter the US tainted beef imports protestors.

BTW, anyone who thinks that this Neocon/fascist raygun does not "harm" anyone is duped. In all likelihood it, at the very least, causes cancer.

This is fascism, people.

Just published today on Counterpunch... How to avoid getting burned!

http://www.counterpunch.org/garcia06022008.html

Did they strip Americans of all rights while we were busy shopping and working 3 jobs?

I can just see the day when the Raytheon blinds a disabled person and they dont retreat and the machine then "reads their mind" when they dont move and then it maims or kills the disabled protester. They must be preparing for endless scenarios like this.

The Tin Foil Brigade was just ahead of its time.

In 2006, Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne was quoted as saying that the device should be used first on Americans, because

"if we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation. …

WTF?

I didnt know our fellow citizens need to be treated as enemies in wartime! Right here in the Good Ol' U.S.of A.
The same people my kids go to school with and we shop at the same grocery store? Which citizens? When, why? Exercising free speech, signs saying "peace not war"?

Whatever happened to fighting them There so we dont have to fight them Here?
They are changing their tune. Get ready for no elections and martial law, folks. That's what you get when you dont Impeach these evil criminals. God Bless Iraq and the Iraqi people. The Garden of Eden.

The fascist swine and their goons who built this thing with money stolen from the American taxpayer are going to kill people with it in Denver in August. It'll happen this way:
In the crowded area reserved for spectators/protestors,government agent provocateurs will throw some stuff at the cops. The ray gun will then be turned on the crowd of women, children, old and young alike with a sustained burst. They will have no ready avenue of escape other than, having been instantly rendered mad with panic,to trample one another to death. The provocation will be blamed on leftist elements and the government killers operating Raytheon's zippy little invention will be promoted...as were the Denver cops who, in what can only be described as a thrill-killing, executed young Jeff Truax a few years back. The Ludlow Mine Massacre, was a perfect example of the mind-set of these government killers. In that case, Mr Rockefeller was annoyed that the miners wanted to strike for a living wage, so he had the governor set up some machine guns across from the miners' miserable shacks and mowed them down; miners, women and children. After the bodies were dumped in mass graves, Mr. Rockefeller stopped by and handed out sandwiches to the widows.
What a guy.
Now, it looks like Rush Limbaugh, fatass, blathering, drug-addict right-wing pundit will get his wish; a riot in at the Democratic Convention. Unlike '68 Chicago though, it won't be just hairy young people trying keep from being sent by a LBJ, a mush-mouthed shill for Brown & Root Corporaton to VietNam to be chewed up as cannon fodder, it will be nice people of all ages and persuasions wanting to participate in their own government being trampled...and killed.

We are in active denial if we don't think their intended use is on every one of us, in the streets, and in the jail cells after we're arrested. They'll restrain us, dial it all the way up, and use it on us for prolonged time-periods. Don't you love watching all the test-subjects laughing and joking on this video clip? Try being subjected to it while in restraints. This is torture, folks.

The 60-minute spin on this mobile microwave cat cooker was aired last year and is not new news, but considering that on this website alone, and within the the last few days, we have read of students/protesters tazered in Eugene, Oregon by our police. Then we were exposed to those infamous USA Prison ship plying the seven seas, and now this. What's really missing is the 200 or so concentration camps now built in the USA by Homeland Security. We're just lucky that some enterprising soul here or in Iraq will figure out a way to negate this monster of domestic law enforcement.

As has been pointed out, this is old stuff, but notice how the protesters were shouting for 'peace' and 'leaving our country'? Pretty much tells you who these things are meant to be used on. I think jozef was referring to sound weapons but they all are part of the same bag of tricks. See them here:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=RNC%20sound%20weapon&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:off...

http://www.infowars.com/print/ps/soundcannon_photos.htm

Also, did the "protesters" have any metal objects on their person? This makes a HUGE difference in how the beam effects the body. If you had metal frame glasses on kiss your eyeballs goodbye. And don't even think about having metal keys in your pocket!

This commentary conclusively proves two things:
- No good deed will go unpunished
- Einstein was right, human stupidity is infinite

BTW: If torture is your issue: ban cigarettes as they are by far the most common tool

FTR: Taser never killed anyone (despite the nonsense in the press)

I would love to see ten thousand or more demonstrators, all wrapped up in aluminum foil holding a screen in front of their eyes. Wonder if the foil might tear while walking and jumping up and down? LOLllllll. He He He, whooooop. This might cause the price of aluminum foil to go up? Haaa Haa ha. Can't you just see it?

"Hey buddy, ya got some extra foil handy?" Haaa haaa ha. Funny. We do get some funny posts here at CD.

can it tell wether you are a protestor or just out walking the dog?
one wonders absent mindedly...how would you know it was there ..with it being parked "half a mile" away...does it disrupt computer functioning telecommuncations the guidance systems on missiles...all that funky stuff

perhaps if it did that would be an understandable use for it...i dunno anyway next time your out for a walk and your dog catches fire spontaneously ..at least you'll know why for once...not that i actualy have a dog..nor even if i did have a dog would i normally expect it to catch fire.. even occasionaly
but you never know

Who will protect Americans from America?
We have been taxed to pay for the implements of torture that our government uses against us. I think I shall avoid any contact with Rayguntheon or it's employees. Ditto Congress.

Excellent points ~Peaceseeker67~. Hard to argue that.

That 60 minutes piece is blatant government propaganda.

A couple sheets of aluminum foil will attenuate (reduce) electromagnetic fields significantly. for a simple faraday cage, just wad it around whatever you want to protect. to test, put a cell phone inside your faraday cage and try to call it. if it doesn't ring, then you're doing a good job stopping incoming radiation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage for ideas

Hi ~GottaGetOffTheGrid~ glad to hear that, evidently you're an expert on the subject. ___ I'm not. I do know radar beams can be very harmful and you don't see any skin damage or feel anthing, except a light tingling. So are any microwaves and I watched an interesting hour long science program yesterday about the dangers of "innocent" and "harmless" cell phone use. No obvious body damage, burning sensations or any pain.

I've also read, as some others so well noted here, that this ray-gun's power can be turned up to a degree where it is far worse than a burning sensation of the skin, it can literally destroy things.

Then another expert here noted that all we have to do is find the type of screen used on microwave oven doors and wrap our bodies in the screen and we're perfectly safe and therefore the ray-gun is worthless. Hmmmmmm. I wonder? ___ That wonder is just my uneducated opinion.

Okay, if these thngs are ever used here, and they very well may be someday, anyone who ever decides to join a public protest demonstration, wrap yourselves in microvacve screening first, or aluminum foil. Be sure to close your eyes if ever zapped though. The demonstration I watched on TV, pretty well showed it was extremely effective to have people running off in a hurry and the gun power was set on low, ___ whatever that means.

Imagine the disadvantage this would be for the would be "masters of the universe" if they happened to "lose" this instrument of torture

Causes pain but doesn't harm anyone?

Gee, as a nurse I find that a rather odd statement as I believe most medical professionals would.

When the body experiences pain there is a REASON for it. Something is causing it. Pain is a indicator of something that is wrong in the body.

The foolish comment that this weapon, and that is what it is, a weapon, no matter what is being said by the pentagon and the corporation making the weapon, that they can effectively read a person's mind with it is absurd.

Just because a person does not cease advancing because they are shot does not mean they intend harm.

Is this better than shooting people that are demonstrating peacefully?
Perhaps slightly, but that doesn't mean it is any less grisly. It's simply a PR stunt that 60 minutes bought into. Glad they showed this weapon but their report was greatly flawed and pro the weapon.
Shameful!

WTF with the NAME of this thing---Active Denial? The Left couldn't have named it better....Great also that they envision "the enemy" as people saying "peace not war"....And what a great comment above, that as we "deny" peaceful protest we get violent ones. Ask Osama.

Keep in mind that those 50 cal rifles that we all want to ban are designed to break machinery such as this and other such nasties - also how are the operators protected against the return of the beam - probably not - that was the problem with the sonic crowd control they came up with a few years ago. Rubber bullets and wood dowels were supposed to be no lethal also - until the users discovered ways to kill with them. Use of these types of "control" devices pretty much rules out any claim the users may make about having rights of any kind in my mind

Jozef, where that is very interesting...

Go back and look at the video clips of the 2004 Republican Political convention in New York City. You will find this "active denial" system parked on the corner of 33rd Street.

cd, well, these can probably be stopped by tinfoil, though of course they will run up and rip it off you.

However, forcing melee engagement is kind of the point.

Perhaps a better idea is to make sure these are never deployed domestically.

p.s. Even if they don't burn us to ashes if they are able to disperse non violent crowds at will, then what? Serious question, we should have some idea of what to do before these things happen IMO.

Have you noticed the small holed screen inside the front door of your microwave oven? Such a metal screen will protect you from this weapon. This weapon hasn't been deployed because it's useless.

Look for these things at the Republican National Convention in Sept.

so it's called an "active denial system" and it is demonstrated in use against protestors demonstrating against government policy...it's a Monty Python sketch right??
they'll actively deny that of course....lol

stick a fork in them and turn em over joe ..they're done..military hardware yeargh....all that money spent to avoid developing "people skills"

La, la, la lets sing folk songs, drum, and hold crystals while the empire burns us into big piles of ash. Oh you mean this isn't a game we might need to fight back? if so prepare NOW before it's too late that's all I have to say.

They made sure to torture some non humans to death with it already. They blinded some rhesus monkeys(poor rhesus monkeys, from being forced to sit in a mock fighter jet cockpit where they received shocks to the feet if they took their hands off the control stick---see, the scientists knew the rhesus monkeys were smart enough to deduce that they would be tortured if they didnt hold the stick--screaming just before they were blasted with high doses of radiation, to being genetically bred to have a brain disease that their species never had to deal with before...to this.
Science at its best.

well, no, actually, apollo --

the problem is whether we agree as to what the current status is vis a vis human rights/right to assemble in this nation

people should check out a doc called 'the miami model' --
teams of police chasing non-violent protesters and firing at them with tasers -- why would you even think of sending a man out on foot with a taser when you could fire this thing from a fortified location? -- yes, it could be taken out by the enemy, but our military will go to extremes to eliminate the caliber of weaponry that can take it out easily, and would have a good shot at eliminating local snipers with rocket launchers any day of the week --

contrary to your stated opinion, this is about as powerful a weapon against protest as anyone could ever hope to own --

and secondly...the part about lethality...of course it can be lethal -- it's lethal after lethal -- if the aural shockwave doesn't work, use a laser, or a flame thrower, or a gas bomb, or acid, or .... whatever -- the whole point is the eventual lethality --- you control people most effectively with that -----

tasers kill 'just enough' people to make most citizens very cooperative under most conditions --- lethality is the enhancer, not the drawback -- the weapons get better as society breaks down ----- people should be out in the streets screaming at their elected folk to stop the production of THIS weapon --- for all intents, we won't hear about it in the cm until a few are killed at a protest -- maybe just from stampeding away from this thing and falling over one another

cheers

"If someone is having the senstation they are being burned" Kem Patrik, its just simulated burning, not real burning...

if they combined this with waterboarding it would be "simulated boiling"

A significant thing about Active Denial Systems is that they burn soft tissue like eyeballs. And fetuses can be harmed quite a bit by high powered microwaves. All the fine tuning has not been completed on these weapons. Extended exposure actually burns the skin quite a bit. What about people trampled and injured in the rapid escape of crowds. What about infants in strollers who can not escape, people in buildings nearby who cannot escape the "spray" of intense microwaves. This is a truly diabolical development that cuts at the heart of civil disobedience. No doubt it would be used on domestic protesters in the not too distant future unless we can stop it. People taking to the streets to protest would face an awful challenge. Soldiers using this weapon mounted on a humvee could face some serious damage as well if the ADS does not work as designed.

The latest addition to the Pentagon toybox. Even if meant for use in Iraq, it is being deployed for illegal purposes. It's not the weaponry that's illegal, it's the war. And these guys like to enforce their illegal actions both home and abroad with the weaponry of control.

Hey the cops in KenneDrunkSnort Maine have one on order for the Anti War (terrorist lovers) that show up there to disrupt Tourisum around old man Bush. He will show those peace loving hippies what Homeland Security is all about!

I was told about particle beam weapons and hi-intensity microwave weapons long ago by a very reliable source.
The system that I was told about however, was part of the new stealth aircraft carrier (recently revealed). It uses the beam technology as an anti-ballistic weapon. This is the catch, it is a speed of light weapon. Via satellite triangulation, an incoming missile can be tracked (located) in 3D space an instantly destroyed. This makes every "missile to missile" or "shooting a bullet out of the sky with a bullet" technology obsolete. A single laser cannon can destroy hundreds if not thousands of incoming missiles within a single second with the aid of an aiming "mirror" that merely pivots to redirect the beam wherever the target points are located in 3D space. The pentagon budget, without oversight, is rampant with decoy technologies from the 20th century mindset, and has been secretly developing 21st century nightmare technologies for a very long time. This is the tip of the iceburg.
Using the "corrective lens" (understanding that 9/11 was absolutely an inside job, carried out by the US military, against it's own citizens and unleashing WWIII upon the world) we are well on our way to the end game scenario. Its easy to see and understand the nuance that many readers notice about the rock throwing, peace loving "terrorists" as intended targets. Anyone who dares stand up to the murderous traitors running this planet to an oily crisp are an obvious threat to the Fatherland, oops, Homeland Security. The junior system shown here, has been tested in Iraq and Afghanistan. The victims, I remember the report of a bus load of people, exploded from the inside, without a trace of any "traditional" gunfire or explosive wounds. Their body meat was cooked, "as if" by microwave.
As I raise the clarion call, most of my friends and family have willingly lobotomized themselves and are hopelessly lost. At least, in the end, if I die, it will be with my eyes wide open.

It only works to a certain distance, any fool with high calibre rifle can take this thing out, and its operator(s), this piece of crap will never work, too many variables that can go wrong.
I highly doubt it will be used against the US population. Whoever thinks that is a fucking idiot and should go microwave their own head.

Uhhh, I think we do know. LOL.

Yes....be sure to google...ADS and read what Wikipedia writes about it. I sent a snipit from it about the fact that " the operator could turn the ADS into a more damaging weapon that could violate international conventions on warfare" to 60 Minutes after the program aired.

I just can't imagine our own govt. would do anything to hurt civilians....but you never know.

This little 60-Minutes video is the weapon. The target: protesters with "Peace Not War" signs. Are you one of those, honey? You better crawl back into your Prius and leave contritely, or we're going to grill you like a hot dog.

Because the business of America is warfare, and if you don't like it, you're going to get fried

Why take the chance of using this in Iraq and being thought of as torturers by the rest of the world, when we have waterboarding for that.

And why is it, in their demonstration domestically, that the moch civilians were made to be "peace protesters". Are we planning on using our own military against American citizens exercising their free speech? You know, like in Seattle.

Good thing they've only spent that "chump change" (13.1 million) on it, because it can be countered with a large piece of aluminum, or a foil type suit. Back to the drawing board guys.

http://www.raven1.net/kilde1.htm

MICROWAVE MIND CONTROL:
MODERN TORTURE AND CONTROL MECHANISMS ELIMINATING HUMAN RIGHTS AND PRIVACY

The pentagon has been secretly using microwave weapons against civilians for decades.

It's safe? I would not want to bet that it was. If someone is having the senstation they are being burned, they are probably being burned, even if it does not show on the skin's surface.

Just sitting in front of an aircraft's operating radar set is not good for the human body and yet you don't feel anything. People don't feel the damage of using a cell phone stuck in their ear either, yet there is pretty strong evidence cell phone use can cause brain cancer if used frequently.

Nonlethal, like the taser...which has killed how many people already this year? And how far away are we from the handheld ray gun?

Another tool of torture, just like the taser. This monstrous device will be making its way onto U.S. streets probably before too long, and will be simply another government weapon in the war of terror against U.S citizens (those anti-war protester types like you and me) who merely want a redress of grievances and the right to public assembly and protest. The zap from the taser, like the burn from this raygun, causes intense pain (I've not experienced it myself, but have heard about it, of course), all before the arrest, conviction and punishment, quite a lot of due process missing there. Even if you were tried and convicted of something, torture is still cruel and unusual punishment, even if used in prisons. So our populace has been reduced to just some cattle to be manipulated with a modern cattle prod. Ban tasers. Ban the raygun. Ban cluster bombs.

...who carried signs saying "peace not war"

meanwhile... pro-lifers are responsible for killing 1.2million iraqis.

maybe you need to turn that raygun around, grunt.

http://snipurl.com/2c3z7

If they continue to come at you, then you're fairly sure … they're probably a terrorist or an adversary who wants to do you harm."

a handful of military volunteers, dressed as civilian protesters, who carried signs saying "peace not war" and threw objects at a small group of soldiers.

These two comments within the article say it all. If not for domestic use, then why demonstrate it with mock protesters holding "peace, not war" signs. Also, to say that anybody who does not run away is obviously a terrorist is just as stupid as a trial by ordeal for witches. This is the mentality of our Pentagon and they certainly have no interest in protecting citizens of the United States of America. They only are interested in protecting themselves and the power-elite.

Okay, I watched the piece -- and I have read, over the last many months, about this technology coming of age. I hope that I am not the only one who notices a pattern here. Whenever the Pentagon seeks to sell deployment of such technology on its own domestic (civil) population -- it first conducts a public show of how it works. Ever notice how it repeatedly casts people (even bad acting military extras) expressing or demonstrating their convictions for PEACE as the chosen target for potential application????

Engineers (like those at Raytheon) have, over the centuries, been the dumb and blinded purveyors of such weapons to such devious players as armies and dictators for whom dissent and differences of thought and practice are believed the worst of enemies.

Do you really believe that little dial and joy stick in that soldier's hand stops at "mild" burn??? I'm confident if it doesn't have it already -- it will soon max out at "ash" point.

This is not about a war over territory -- it's about use in a war to control and conquer minds. What was recently "shock and awe" now also becomes the "Burn, baby burn!!!"

"In 2006, Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne was quoted as saying that the device should be used first on Americans, because "if we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation. … If I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."

It's not foreign terrorists we need to fear....just our own government.

Dave Gaubatz claims he worked on this weapon and knows it well. He also claims its 'non-lethal' status is a bunch of balogna:
http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=C9DA8C22-A71D-4CE2-AC8A-277DAD7E766B

I saw this thing on 60 minutes months ago. Even mentioned it on CD once or twice. Was easy to imagine its use for "crowd control" during any kind of protest.

Here's a list of other weapons they are looking at:

http://www.thememoryhole.org/mil/nl-weapons_terms/

have no fear. this is only a really big microwave oven without the door. how could that hurt anyone?

I have been warning you all about this for the past two years.

This device was never meant to be deployed overseas.

It is strictly meant to intimidate and terrify the US population.