Warning:

"heckler" is Deb Frisch. she has a long history of stalking, threatenting, and harassing people.

google the name and you'll get the idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGpSy7iZ-C0
http://debfrischtimeline.blogspot.com

Van Ornum tried to resist arrest and told the officers he was 17 to avoid charges, said [Eugene Police Captain and anti-MADD activist Pete] Kerns. Police escorted him across the street, and when he continued to try to push himself away, they wrestled him to the ground and handcuffed him.

"He pulled away and was swinging the handcuff around," Kerns said, "so they Tasered him. After the first Taser, he continued to struggle. The Taser was used one more time, and they were able to control him."

Eugene Police Department Policy 309.41

Authorized personnel may use the Taser only when circumstances known to the individual officer at the time indicate that the application of the Taser is reasonable to subdue or control:

1. a peron who the officer reasonably believes creates an immediate, credible threat to the physical saafety of himself/herslef, the officer or another person or
2. a person who engages in, or displays the intent to engage in aggressive physical resistance to a lawful police action

Mr. van Ornum was HANDCUFFED when he was tased. Therefore, we can conclude that Captain Kerns believes that a handcuffed teen poses a physical threat to an armed EPD officer.

http://harbaughboyz.blogspot.com/2008/06/30941.html

Another instance of instilling fear in the population; who wants to be TASERed?

Read Naomi Wolf's, "The End of America, A Letter to a Young Patriot'" for an analysis of fascist, dictatorial, communist, totalitarian regimes from the past AND HOW WE ARE APPROACHING that situation here and now. It should be required reading in every high school civics class.

Do they still teach civics or is it more like a meeting of the Junior Chamber of Commerce? It has been over forty years since I took civics in high school where an exciting and dynamic process was presented without passion in a very boring way, process without examples.

You guys want to do something? Send twenty bucks to ACLU. Whenever I read about crap like this, the best thing that I've found to do about it is send $ to the people who can and do make positive change in our screwed up world, ACLU.

My father would talk about how cops (in 1950's DC) used to walk around carrying nothing more than a billy club. No tasers, no guns just a flying piece of wood to take down a criminal or rowdy drunk.

Good info thanks fandango! I know copwatch organizations are very popular all up the northern California and Pacific coast. Watching the watchers is a good first step.

There used to be elected Civilian Review Boards that monitored police abuses in hundreds of cities across the country in the late 1960's and early 1970's. Most of these early review boards were instituted in response to widespread police brutality against peaceful demonstrators during the civil rights protest of that vintage. Almost all of these independent boards no longer exist or have been transformed into Police Commissions whose civilian members are currently appointed jointly by municipal CEO's and police department executives.

TASERS have been medically and forensically documented to be potentially dangerous enough to a statistically average range of human subjects, to require classification as lethal weapons under FFACA and other federal statutes. However, manufacturers continue to claim that all civilian TASER models, including the commonly replicated design of the x26 model, are not weapons at all, but what the manufacturers instead call Sublethal Law Enforcement Assist Devices -- SLEADS. To date, no federal statute, or administrative ruling, or court ruling has resolved the FFACA classification issue of TASER use at local levels.

About 200 accidental civilian deaths in the US have been attributed to municipal and state police uses of TASER-like devices since 1999. In addition, about 32,000 cases of non-fatal, variously debilitating non-resolving neurological damage to TASER victims have been reported over the same period of about nine years. These statistics are verifiable from public police records; national summary data are accessible through most medium-depth search engines with use of appropriate search terms.

Insufficiently regulated uses of TASERS and similar lethally-loopholed weapons constitute a de facto supression of freely exercised, individual and group civil liberties. Therefore, these weapons need to be defined as such, and their uses restricted accordingly.

One way of doing this is for people to demand, by legal petition if necessary, that their local and state governments re-insstitute elected Civilian Police Rewiew Boards. This is hardly a perfect solution to police abuse, but such elected civilian oversight does begin at least to allow popular control over police conduct and policy.

Manufactures claim Tasers aren't weapons. desgined as sub lethal devices (Law Enforcement Assist Devices

Police are using tasers now with the frequency of a bored teenager channel surfing with a TV remote. Can you imagine any parent today telling his/her child "the policeman ids your friend". It's more likely that they'll tell them the policeman is a fiend!
In my judgment it is physical, mental and moral weakness on the part of police officers that results in the indiscriminate use of tasers. In the past rogue cops pummeled their victims with their 'billy clubs" or saps. Then there came the choke holds rendering the victim unconscious or dead. Of course an unconscious victim created just more physical work. Control, however, could be maintained be terror. i.e. incredible pain.

There is a protocol that I believe would make police officers
a little more judicious in the use of tasers. Each time an officer uses the taser, such officer shall be subjected to be tasing at the same voltage level and the same number of times lsuch officer used on a victim. Just a thought.

Where are the videos? No one should be protesting without someone a little distance away to take videos (with sound), which can then be posted to the internet and news stations.

Every Congresman and woman should be tazered so John Mc Cain (man of torture) can determine how it might best be used and when. The terorist have already taken over they are in washington and call them selves public servants. We should have had a revelution when they imploded out buildings and told us someone else did it. Can you say I serve you Saudi Prince and King? I think you can if you try.

Cops use tazer guns as a sort of gratuitous torture. The kind of guy who trades his self respect for a gun, badge and paycheck is already your enemy. His hatred of his class is reflected in his bullying tactics. If he could get away with it, this moron-cop would have shot and killerd that kid. Next time he goes around with a sign like that, the kid ought to take a video camera with him.

Police do enough damage with billy clubs, no need for guns or tasers.

but, we are all on the same team. Policemen, like the military, are working against their own interests in their current professions. They are upholding the very structure of society that is designed to keep them from those who have the most of what there is to get. They are protecting the few from the many, for a very very small reward of mild prestige and mild economic benefit. They are far from bought off.

Once they realize their situation (of course, this is the hard part), the whole choosing sides part becomes easy. They are part of the many, not the few. If only we could get the policemen themselves to see that they are being used to prop up an unjust system, things may change.

And when I say fuck the police, I am calling out an institution. It is inherently corrupt, abusive, and authoritarian. The people who work within it are not inherently monsters, but are actually on the side of the many. They just do not know it.

Those cops who tasered this man are already working against their own interests. The pesticide used, (most likely unnecessarily), could very well be linked to many types of cancer, and this policeman tasers a man trying to do something about it. How sad. He should be thanking him for speaking up about the waste of taxpayer dollars to spray a harmful chemical. Many cities spray the public parks as well. The policeman tasers a guy who wants the policeman's daughter to play in a park that will be free of cancer-causing chemicals. I wish the cops would wake the f up, and see how f'd up a lot of their actions look.

Those gun/taser wielding cops just need a little penis enhancements...

Exactly white. At some point repression simply gets to expensive and the "market" will start to speak.

That should be the goal of any sort of domestic resistance group. Make them spend their money, and save yours.

taozen said: Violence is what the Military Industrial Complex/police state thrives on. Advocating any hostile responses to the "man" will only help him tighten the noose.

This is true to a point, enough critical mass will tip the scales the other way, they can't imprison all of the consumers that keep the economy going.

Organize before you protest.

Devise a plan of action to put in place when this occurs; perform simulations of one of your crew being tasered and respond as a group; 50 cops with tasers can't take down 1000 people.

Overrun them with sheer numbers.

rocyasoul:
Thank you, you are right, I know that in my soul, though I am not sure if all of your assumptions about the luckylefty are right (I take ideas at face value, and don't mind if "agent provocateurs" promote the cause of justice in the United States. I tell you, if someone tazes my wife, they will hear from me, and yes, though I am against death in all forms, I would not let behavior like this go without seeing to it that serious consequences be meted out in time and weight.

Now rocyasoul, will you at least give me some credit and answer some of the questions I posed with the wisdom you so obviously possess?

Guess Canada will start using this disgusting weapon. I have often wondered.....what happens when they 'taser' someone with (a) a bad heart or (c) somene who is close to an 'incipient heart attack' and goes down for the count....

And yes, you've lost a lot of your freedoms - its what happens when you 'sleep at the wheel' while things are going on around you.

Too many think it 'can't happen to me' until it does. Americans need to start thinking more about those around them as well as paying attention to themselves of course.

I see a fascist state in the making and ONLY you (plural) can stop it.

cdsensors, I post under different names (jewdini, jewbacca) so as to avoid the constant censorship. Right on the money, by the way. The coal miners forced their issues by taking up arms. They might not have won the tactical battle, but think just how much more expensive it was for the companies to repress armed men. And look at the horrible publicity they got as a result. No one would remember those coal miners if they had simply struck, been fired, and went home.

But look, its REAL easy to sit here and talk like a tough guy. We all can do it, yet I have the feeling if i saw a tasing going on I might just watch and do nothing. There HAS to be an organized movement of people ready to act when these sorts of incidents occur. It must be nationwide, and not just among one political or social group. They can always demonize a few lone wolves, but not the whole pack. Things just arn't bad enough in this country yet for most people to think like us, but just let this shit continue...

Drugs sure have helped taozen, I know when I was tree sitting it was often damn difficult to get people motivated because they were always "blazed" out of their minds. A pathetic left equals victory of the corporations and centralized government. Is it really that hard to see? Hint the last time the left really won anything is when they shut down American cities using the g e n e r a l s t r i k e.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_strike

Violence is what the Military Industrial Complex/police state thrives on. Advocating any hostile responses to the "man" will only help him tighten the noose. Timothy Leary acid approach (spiking the punch) might be more productive,and the only punch I might consider.

Note this comment was mode rated=cen sored by commondreams earlier from an earlier account.. I have NEVER had a moderated comment appear.

Kelmer precisely the reason I don't tow the left pro g un contr ol line despite being a Green/so cialist/an archo syndi calist in nearly all my other views is out of control police. If the sh it really hits the fan and these goons start gun ning people down how are we going to fig ht back with without g uns? If you were in Venezuela would you oppose Chavez's citizen mi litia he's organizing to be able to resist U.S. imperialist invasions? If we had a more milit ant left would the cops be getting away with this s hit? THINK!

If your pro gun control arguments are strong you ought to be able to defend them with words and even pro gun control people ought to be outraged by the cen sor ship CD mod erators are showing.

Hunt them in another (non existent) life!!!!??? THAT will sure help. So will blowing bubbles and singing acoustic folk songs and holding crystals.

Jewbacca you are right the cowardly current left dishonors the memory of George Orwell who fought against Spanish fascists with a gasp eek scary machine g u n s. It also dishonors the IWW brothers who fought and died against Pinkerton go oons for things we take for granted like the 8 hour work week. Back when the left had cajones they would not have meekly let themselves be tasered and shot by cops. I'll probably be ba nned soon but listen to luckylefty he knows what time it is...

Music, it will make it better, when cops start getting shot for pulling shit like this. Of course we would need a LOT of people doing it, and not being afraid of the consequences, and we're not there yet.

but you best believe, I carry my 5-7 and just wait for the day. :)

Excellent rocy, when your wife is being tased by these scum at a non-violent protest, I hope you remember to "seek resolve by communication". When police or any other government "authority" steps out on line to me, I'll (hopefully) let my M-14 do the communicating.

Jesus, this stuff fills me with more white-hot rage then anything we've been arguing about over the middle east. Its great to see you lefties are by and large saying the right things. Its time to start DOING the right things, and fight back any way we can against this kind of stuff. This is the USA, and WE run this country, not the cops.

To PatriotisVeritas:
Regarding your comment "Luckylefty, you are a badass."

Luckylefty is an agent PROVACATEUR. Anyone who is posting necessarily police murdering tactics to commondreams is OBVIOUSLY no lefty. Anyone who had any intention of doing something like LL describes would NOT seek placement on a watch, psywar and hit target list by posting their chosen lifestyle to the internet.

Life in death is the way. Build intellect. Build support. Be well. Treat right. Seek resolve by communication. Fight physically only where and when your being has been placed at physical threat by a power that has effectively denied you any other option. Hunt these badasses in another life when they're the easy target. Don't make it your purpose, but know, living well, you will certainly have the option. You might even have the joy of taking these people to task within this lifetime if you endure to the reemergence of enlightenment and civility. The present order is murderous, heinous, immoral and ignorant. This extends to the dominant and all who support them, either by ignorance or complicity. Joining them is not a means to winning, nor dominance. Their dominance is unbalanced and flimsy, built of deception and uncontrollable force. To win here is to pay attention, then strive to make a difference toward justice. Not "just us" as the present "justice" system secures. But justice as reigns eternal, where horrid people are reborn far lower on the food chain than was their lives potential.

Here in beautiful Sonoma County California, the sheriffs don't bother around with tazers unless they've got you handcuffed and face down on the ground.

And they kill you with the real guns if you've got a 3" switchblade, and are only a real threat to yourself. I somehow don't think that owning a gun is gonna make it any better

I also live in Eugene, and we now, after ferocious resistance from the police department, have a civilian review board. And after equally ferocious resistance from the city manager, who oversees the police department and wanted to retain power over the auditor, a police auditor who reports to the city council instead of the city manager. We will see where this goes.

Thank you Josh, for your posts.

BeForKids

Demonstorm... I'm listening! I do all I can to confront: and I hear, repeatedly, "Nobody is doing anything about this!" What do YOU suggest? I want to stop the police state; I want Bush and Cheney impeached; I want US out of Iraq; I want to stop the Iran invasion; I want everyone to know about "The Non-Energy Crisis" and more... what are YOU doing, that I can learn from, or support?

as much as I hate to even think this way - this is the kind of thing that demands a total response of a kind that no cop will ever show to brutalize ever again. - it's obvious that law isn't ever going to hold the thugs accountable, or protesting, or voting - theses jerks are out to short circuit decent peoples fight or flight responses by taking either option away from you.

as much as I hate to even think this way - this is the kind of thing that demands a total response of a kind that no cop will ever show to brutalize ever again.

look at the Tazings as provocation - just like Bushites provoking other countries hoping for a violent response (which would be totally justified)- provoking so there can be an escalation of force and excuses (never a legitimate reason) for martial law so they can bring about the last stages of complete control, slavery over us the people and do away with all those pesky laws, rights and any shred of common decency that stands in the way of their plans and profits. (look to all the prelaid permissions passed out to FEMA and "Homeland" "Security" - look how they are passing tasers to anyone with even minimal authority and encouraging the use of them - think overseer's whips

I think it's time for protesters to start carrying cameras everywhere they go, and maybe a tazer for their own damn protection. These fing pigs will do whatever they can to feel superior to those who fight for the rights those officers are charged with protecting. God help me if I ever get tazered, because I will go nuts.

http://snipurl.com/2c3z7 [pointdappui_blogspot_com]

We will need a community militia to fight against police brutality. This is a human rights issue. Americans need to fight back against the greed and power of corporate America backed by thugs.

take away peaceful political activity and you get violence.

cops suck. they work for the king.

I have already spoken to every media outlet in Eugene and have had communications with the Mayor.

Our "police auditor" is looking into the issue.

There is a press conference on Tuesday and student events/vigils on Thursday and Saturday.

The Eugene Police Department will be held accountable for their brutality.

If anyone wants more info, please contact me at thombanjo@yahoo.com.

City cops have become total pussies, unable to "subdue" a kid without shock torture. Unreal. And, no matter what, the "resisting arrest" charge is almost always tacked on, even if a "suspect" goes limp, which is considered "passive" resistance.

Of course, now that it's okie-dokie to shoot unarmed men (and, supposedly, women) fifty times without consequence, a little shock torture seems almost quaint...

Josh, its great that you have posted this here. However, you need to let the state sttorney general, the justice department, and the media know what you saw as well.

I WAS AN EYE-WITNESS AND THIS IS WHAT I SAW:

I watched 2 officers approach Ian as he was standing on the sidewalk and though I did not hear the verbal exchange, I saw them grab Ian by the shoulders and arms, drag him across the street, I believe throw him against the wall, then another 2 officers arrived and one (possibly Officer Willis, Badge # 26) took out and deployed a tazer which knocked Ian to the pavement, the officer then kneed Ian in the back, grabbed his long hair and slammed his head down on the pavement and then tazered him at least another two times with Ian lying on the ground face down with hands already behind his back, writhing in pain and screaming "why, why?"

The police always rationalize these things as saying that if they didn't have tasers their only other response would have been to murder the guy. To me, that leads to an easy answer to keep this under control.

That is that the police force should treat this just as if the officers had pulled his weapon and fired. That usually means time suspended and off the street while there's an investigation, an appearance before a police review board, and maybe some appointments with a counselor. Ie, make it enough of a hassle for the officer that they become reluctant to use tasers all the time like they seem to do today. And if that review board were to occaisionally fire an officer for improperly torturing a citizen, that's even better.

And, if it turns out that the police version is incorrect (someone's spinning tall-tales between the police version and the witness version), then that sort of false reporting should be an automatic firing offense.

I love the way the paper always treats the police version and credible and keeps coming back to it. Even in the face of witnesses who say otherwise. So, you get this strange flow to the article where it describes the police version. Then an eye-witness says that the police version is all wrong. Then the article goes right back to the police version as if there's nothing in dispute.

People are just cattle to the cops...please MOOOOOve along..ZAP!!

Someone should invent tazer-proof clothing.

I can say that I myself had a close brush with those men in uniform in Penn Station, NY, did you know its private
property?

I was waiting for a train, which was an hour late in Penn Station with a foreign friend of mine. We happened to have a video camera and thought it was funny to video everytime an ambulance, firetruck or policecar went by (keep the action up in the tourist video).

So we hear one guy who had been waiting in the Amtrak line (hour long) saying "Why is this happening to me!", and we looked and saw a tall black man, with a white stick...

So I naturally took the video, and started recording because there are so many police and army in the station, something seemed bound to happen. As one, two, three police started arrive and the blind man was kneeling on the ground, I sensed something amiss behind me, turned to look and who do I see, but a shaky Marine, hand at holster, looking at me. So, I naturally turned around and kept filming.

I hear a voice, "You can't film here, this is Private Property," so I stop the camera as we engage in discussion.

I reply politely, "Why are you, a Marine, on guard on Private Property, isn't that strange for you?" says I.

The marine says, "You have to erase that video tape." So I go to my friend and tell him to erase the tape, as I gather our bags (you don't want to leave unattended bags in front of 15 police and 20 marines, its an invitation for disaster).

I come back and the Marine says, "Where you from? Italy too?"
"No," says I, "I am American, and I can't believe I am paying taxes for you to guard private property, you are a public servant, are you not?"

"What?"

"I do pay your salary with my taxes, do I not?"

"Well, I guess so." says the Marine.

I reply, "So what are doing?"

Marine says, "Its not all fun and games, you know, you think it might be funny,"

Me, "I didn't think it was funny."

Marine, "but we're here trying to help you guys out."

Me, "Yeah, I know I was..."

Marine, "but you're trying to record something, trying to embillocrate (sic), trying to get uh... the police officers into some jam."

Me, "No, I'm not trying to... (pause, thinking about the word embillocrate) I'm just hoping the blind guy doesn't get into a jam, that's all, The blind guy, the blind, black guy."

Marine, "Yeah I understand he blind."

Me, "That's why I took it (the video), I mean if it was just a normal guy, I wouldn't take it, but it was a Blind Guy, you have to be careful with that, can we go now, our train is here?"

And off we went.

The end of this conversation will appear on Youtube as soon as I figure out how to get that video off the camera, it was recorded as we recorded over the harrassment of a blind black man due to the extreme amount of persuasion a Marine from Mexico has when he is shaking from the adreline rush that can only be caused by a blind man and a confident man with a video recorder.

So now I have some questions:

Why are there Marines standing guard in Penn Station if it indeed is private property?

If it is private property, why is it private property?

If it isn't, why are the Police and Marines under the impression that it is?

How can a Marine have his hand on the holster ready to shoot a blind man, (Everyone watch out, there is a blind man in the building)!?!

Why put 45 potentially high value sitting ducks into a small area with a lot of civilians, is that not a recipe for disaster, wouldn't people actually be safer if the Police and Marine unit were not in there?

Why are we allowing George W. Bush to teach Mexican Marines how to speak English?

Real Patriots speak the truth and fight for freedom, even if they have to die for it; please don't get me wrong, I do not believe a real patriot has to fight in the physical sense unlike tricky some politicians claim.

Today, powerhungry individuals think fighting for freedom involves physical involvement, but real fighting involves sacrifice even to the death for a cause you believe and should not behoove aggression. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Live with your soul intact, the true love inside, and you will live even in death.

Luckylefty, you are a badass.

I totally agree with luckylefty June 2nd, 2008 12:56 pm's remarks about the police: they're thugs, they'r violent, their job is suppression and containment; they can kill you at will with no consequence. They can kill an eleven-year-old boy, asleep in bed at 6AM, with a shotgun during a drug raid - no drugs found - and walk away without a care in the world. http://www.ca.lp.org/rel/2000/20000922-murder.html The police are a constant threat to the safety of peaceful citizens throughout the U.S.

The problem is getting worse fast too. More and more veterans of urban warfare return crazy and vicious from the violent streets of Iraq, and they sign up then as police officers in the U.S. They're out of their minds, they're brainwashed to think they're the good guys and that various large classes of people are worthless degenerates - and they are primed to kill.

It's no wonder that so many television news reports from Iraq mention that the "insurgents" attacked a police station. These insurgents know their enemy: the police. They are only the police who keep Bush in office when 70% of the people are against him and his crimes. What's wrong with these cops? They should part ranks and let the people take Bush to trial.

Now, I am not recommending that anyone attack police stations or police, and I am not making this admonition disingenuously: We are not in open warfare with an invader as are Iraqis, not quite, so Do not attack the police.

But I believe that every opportunity should be taken to deal with the police on a personal level when they are out of uniform and let them know that they are barbarians and neobrownshirts. If your neighbor is cop, let him know over the fence that he needs to clean up his act. If a cop comes into the donut shop, a smart waitress will offer poor service. And when they call you at 9pm asking for money for their stupid "athletic league," speak your mind. Most cops believe that you have no rights at all; they have no problem expressing their contempt for you and your rights. I don't think many of them can be shamed into learning some humanity, but we must not show respect for a barbarian and we should not be intimidated.

Obo, my FN 5-7 can shoot through body armor like butter, and is easily concealed. :) I think you have a good point regarding participation in the policial process. I DO participate, and do not just cower at home clutching my guns. However, if any cop ever tried to tase me for peacefully protesting (not likely since I am white and have short hair and have money and dress nicely) they would get the suprise of their lives.

But on a serious note, of course guns can help get the police under control. We don't have to "beat" them anymore then the VC needed to defeat american troops in vietnam. We just have to make this kind of repression too painful for them to carry out.

Kitty, right on the money! Its great to see someone I have vigorously disagreed with coming together with me on common ground. We the people are in charge of this country, not goons with badges.

bit trigger happy these guys

For once, JB is actually correct. Am armed citizenry is more difficult to control, and giving up your weapons when the other side does not is nothing short of suicide. To them, "moral and peaceable" = easy target. The left needs to stop being a weak target and be more like Billy Jack, quiet and peaceable to he innocent, hell on wheels to the aggressors and bullies of the world.

No one should be taser for engaging in civil protest; I think the protesters need to have a good, long, loud talk with their community and local elected representatives and get this practice abolished. The police are out-of-control; especially with regard to drugs and car chases in traffic.
It may have something to do with all the cop shows on TV and the totally unprofessional conduct and demeanor the actors take in portraying their roles. These shows just enstill a lower theshhold for conduct that is unbecoming, especially the CSI shows. Afterall, on TV, the ends justify the means [and they get away with it].

F the police!

To Luckylefty...the ring of truth is clear in your comments!

To Jewbacca_Returns: If you think your puny little .57 magnum is worth 2 cents against the boys in black riot gear, you're just whistlin' in the wind. I have no stance on the 2nd Ammendment but the militarism of our police forces just rolls right over the 2nd Ammendment as if it's single-ply toilet paper fluttering in the breeze. In actual fact, I truly do believe that your faith in the 2nd Ammendment and your tiny arsenal of personal weapons actually impedes your effective civil disobedience and active participation in the political processes that are so desparately needed now.

I guess we might as well all carry Tasers or stun guns with us when we go to rallies.

This is why you lefties need to support the second amendment and concealed carry laws. When we start shooting back, these thugs calling thsmelves police will get a lot more polite REAL fast.

In my small city of less than 25K the cops now shave their heads, blouse thier SWAT style pants and have quick draw holsters - The chief sucks on the Home Land Security tit for every "grant" he can spend while the schools crumble!

There is a name for this: Containment and Suppression. This is what the ghettos and barrios of America have known for 60 years. Because of Insulated White Privilege, White America thought it was fireproof and Master was on their side - until they disagreed with Master. And now, "We are all niggers on this bus."

Any marginally literate high school graduate with a badge and a gun can murder you or your family with TOTAL IMPUNITY. They can lie and the lies will not be challenged (got video? make 6 copies and distribute them before the cops come after you, like any criminal gang they use any means necessary). When they kill they will be exonerated. Besides, making a human helpless and torturing them, grows them wood. They are selected for it. It's Job #1. Keep the fucking peasants in their place.

NEVER ARGUE WITH A MAN POINTING A GUN IN YOUR FACE. First rule of war: Survive. Then get away however you can (lawyer, escape, whatever), and then come back and hunt them down.

Thugs only respect a viable threat. Just like Malcolm said. Something to the effect, "If you go up against Mr. Charlie with moral suasion and ethics, he will laugh you out of the room. When Mr. Charlie knows you can hurt him and he can't destroy you, he negotiates." Just like any Mafia Don.

And yes, in every major metro in the US, there are parts of the cities that are abandoned. They cops won't go there because they die. And they don't want to die. They want to kill. You. When you are helpless. That's how they like their victims.

America is the same.

Kelmer, Second Amendment. The people need to be able to defend themselves. Like anything else, a few bad apples tarnish the image of responsible gun owners. I know several people who own guns, do you know how many people they've shot? NONE. And to boot, they've never killed anything they didn't intend to eat.

Demonstorm, There are powers that are working to destroy our liberties, one by one and they have made significant progress in recent years. I am not referring to the "terrorists" who supposedly "hate our freedoms", but the elements of corporatism and fascism.

There are also those of us who have done everything we can to resist the trend and to defend our liberties, with, unfortunately, not much to show for our truly patriotic efforts.

You do us all a great disservice by lumping these two groups into a single, rhetorical "we". Free your mind, first. Free your mind.

Can you really believe any police department spokesperson about anything regarding the conduct of the boys in blue? I think not. They're shills.

There's irreparable cleavage between the cops (thugs in uniform) and the citizenry - they have become a force unto themselves and can no longer be trusted to protect and serve anyones interets other than their own. Has it gotten to the point that citizen need to arm themselves with tasers (and videos challenge the "official lies") to protect themselves from assault, regardless of where those illegal assaults come from?

Tasers are just an easy out for police. No need to use their brains, or discretion, they can simply taser away and say whatever they want to justify their actions.

We need to taser gun owners.
Then see if they still think humans are smart enough to be trusted with weapons.
Bears can be, humans cannot.

We don't need gun control, we need taser control!

More and more stories like this in the last few years. And think how many are NEVER reported in the media.

Welcome to the growing US Police State. It is only what we deserve after so willingly giving up our civil liberties and not uttering a peep of protest when our Congress passes such draconian legislation as the Patriot Act, Patriot Act II, Military Commissions Act, etc.

Time to reap what we have sown.

ALL public officials and elected representatives need to be required to complete peace education training. Tasers are an abomination.
The more of us there are, the more we need to communicate with each other.

What I find the most amazing about this article is that several police officers were apparently unable to deal with an 18-year-old without having to taser him. What would they have done with a situation like this back in the days when tasers weren't invented, shot him? Or would they have just wrestled him to the ground and handcuffed him?

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." -- Thomas Jefferson

http://youtube.com/watch?v=alAbt987F3A

Josh Schlossberg - Apologies. I missed your subsequent posts with full disclosures. NEVER MIND. Your call. I wish you success in your efforts.

I seemed to have caused a bit of a stir on this thread. I am not a "badass", haven't even had a fisticuffs since I was 16, and I detest violence, even the "Righteous Aggression" that Americans love much. Besides, if you're down to using your hands, you've already lost.

I did enjoy this however very much:

"Luckylefty is an agent PROVACATEUR. Anyone who is posting necessarily police murdering tactics to commondreams is OBVIOUSLY no lefty. Anyone who had any intention of doing something like LL describes would NOT seek placement on a watch, psywar and hit target list by posting their chosen lifestyle to the internet."

First off, it's "provocateur". But beyond that, can any of you tell me what that word salad was supposed to mean? Other than that they were 'coming down' and the language generator got scrambled? And yeah, I got the bit where I'm not a nice person.

I am not a "badass". I never run "attitude" unless part of a strategy in context, never sell wolf tickets, and I never telegraph a "punch". Nor I am an "agent provocateur" (like the other Marx, "Groucho" wouldn't join a club that would have me). I have simply lived here and survived and many I knew didn't because they made faulty assumptions about who they were up against. I always made it a point to know my enemies so well that I knew what they were going to do before they did. The essence of strategy. I am here, at least for the time being.

You are more than capable of making up your own mind.

Peace.

Josh Schlossberg June 2nd, 2008 3:44 pm - ARE YOU NUTS? Get off this thread and YOU GET A LAWYER TODAY - BEFORE YOU TALK TO ANYBODY ELSE - MAKE NO STATEMENTS TO ANYBODY EXCEPT THROUGH HIM AND GIVE NO ONE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS OR PHONE NUMBER (get out of Dodge NOW if you have given those up already).

You are in serious danger...Cops suborn witnesses every day of the week and sometimes they disappear them. They are not playing.

With all due respect.

PictureEugene on youtube video account of Friday's unfortunate events regarding "The Kesey Three"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gr4RsI2V6Y

Well, it's been close to 60 years since I took high school Civics. Even then, it did not amount to much. I can remember better teaching of this in Jr. High.

In college, large important parts of U.S. History completely ignored anything resembling populism and glorified a series of wars.

I think we have had several generations now of this kind of preparation of the population, beginning probably with the jingoism of World War II.

(that was when I was in grade school. Pearl Harbor happened when I was in First Grade).

Cattle prods. 1984.