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Cluster Bombs, Made in America
On Friday, 111 nations, including major NATO allies, adopted a treaty that sets an eight-year deadline to eliminate stockpiles of cluster arms - pernicious weapons that scatter thousands of small bombs across a wide area, where they pose a long-term deadly threat to innocents. The Bush administration not only failed to sign the treaty but vigorously opposed it.
After marching in lockstep for years, even Britain broke with America's position and agreed to withdraw its weapons from use. That dealt a much-needed blow to Washington's long-standing opposition to this sort of sensible arms control, and in particular to this treaty-averse administration.
The campaign to ban cluster munitions, pressed by human rights activists, never attained quite the high profile of the one to ban land mines, a treaty that Washington also refused to sign. But the two weapons have this in common: Both wreak more damage on civilians than soldiers and present a threat long after war ends.
Cluster munitions, fired from aircraft or artillery, spray small "bomblets" over an expanse the size of two or three football fields. Many do not explode on impact but can be easily triggered by unsuspecting civilians. The most appalling of these devices can look like a desired object - a can of food or a toy.
No one has more invested in cluster munitions than the United States, which Human Rights Watch says has been the largest producer, stockpiler and user, using them in the former Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq. Others that have used them include Britain, France, Sudan, NATO, Israel and Hezbollah.
United States officials insist the Pentagon must have such munitions. That is what the Clinton administration said when it opposed the land-mine treaty in 1997. It is a weak argument: cluster bombs are weapons for conventional wars with conventional battlefields. America is less likely to fight big conventional wars than counterinsurgency conflicts in population centers, no place for munitions that kill indiscriminately.
As the main holdout, the United States gives cover to countries like Russia and China, which also rejected the ban. The treaty is weaker for it: together, these three nations have more than a billion cluster munitions stockpiled, far more than the number of weapons expected to be destroyed. Also weakening the pact is a loophole that will let America continue military cooperation with treaty signers, even if it uses cluster munitions.
At least this treaty, like the land-mine ban, will stigmatize cluster munitions and make it harder to use them. Since the land-mine treaty entered into force, experts say more than 40 million have been destroyed, trade in land mines has virtually ended, and in 2007 only two countries - Russia and Myanmar - used them. The United States has paid $1.2 billion (more than any other nation) to defuse land mines and clean up war zones.
Modern nations need a range of weapons to protect their legitimate interests. Cluster munitions that disproportionately harm civilians are not among them. President Bush must resist the temptation to further sabotage this worthy treaty and let it take effect. It is not clear where the candidates stand on the treaty, but the next president, whoever it is, should repudiate Mr. Bush's opposition and sign it.
Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company



21 Comments so far
Show AllReverend Wright was and is much closer to the truth than Robertson, Hagee and Dobson. The only people they are interested in saving are the unborn. Once you are here; piss on you. I fear our own government much more than Iran or North Korea. They haven't attacked anyone in many years, which is more than one can say about the USA.
That is good news, now you can send you kid to the cluster bomb factory and not Iraq. Bush will probably make a point of his job creation program.
Sorry I can't take what America does serious anymore. If it hurts other people and if it hurts Americans Bush will do it in a minute. America the greatest 3rd world country ever.
"On Friday, 111 nations, including major NATO allies, adopted a treaty that sets an eight-year deadline to eliminate stockpiles of cluster arms . . . ."
"to eliminate stockpiles of cluster arms"-- like was done during the liquidation of old-stock munitions, including US-manufactured cluster bombs--during what the Israelis call the Second Lebanon War during the summer of 2006? Of course, eight years is a lot more time to eliminate stockpiles than was thirty-three days; and since the US spends more than any other nation to clean up cluster bombs (can't remember where I read this), maybe Hollow point (above) has a good idea: once the military is completely privatized, our youngsters can "see the world" as members of cluster-bomb removal teams.
I'm not overly impressed.
This is why war is not the answer.
Once engaged in war, everything is justified in order to "win" the war. Many nations and leaders have used patriotic language and arguments to justify torture, executions, cluster bombs, land mines, nuclear weapons, torture, etc...
We have the ability to live in peace.
Cluster bombs is just one weapon that we manufacture that will have sales lost because of this treaty...will we just give them away or use them as bribery. It is comforting to know when the big attack comes no one will be using cluster bombs on us.
"Modern nations need a range of weapons to protect their legitimate interests. Cluster munitions that disproportionately harm civilians are not among them."
This is the core of the problem: the belief that the only way to protect "our interests" is through force and violence. Any argument that includes the is, in my estimation, invalid. The very nature of cluster munitions and land mines is the killing and disabling of human beings. The munitions have no way of discriminating between "armed combatants" and "innocent civilians". The fact that they are so poorly made, with up to 30% of the explosive devices that do not explode as "designed", that the long term effects are more deadly to non-combatants than to the original "targets".
Anyone who continues to support the manufacture and use of these weapons has no credibility with me. I would like to see the NYT print the names, addresses and executive identities of all the munitions manufacturers, their employees and their financials. Make this very personal: whom do they support with financial contributions and what countries are their customers. I am willing to bet that with deep investigation, links to our stated "enemies" may be found among their customers. Follow the money. And, finally, what are "our interests" that require this kind of protection? Do you want your interests to be of a nature that requires this kind of "protection?"
I am committed to Oneness through Justice and Transformation
peace,
st john
st john June 1st, 2008 2:28 pm -- 'And, finally, what are "our interests" that require this kind of protection?'
The answer to that question is to be found in the so-called 'Project for a New American Century' (PNAC) and it all boils down to 'full spectrum dominance' over the entire planet, extending even into space. In effect, there simply are no limits to 'US Interests' and, in consequence, no limit to their costs, neither financial nor any other.
Unfortunately for ordinary Americans and many others as well, you are only just beginning to see the true price that you and your children will pay generations to come.
"Modern nations need a range of weapons to protect their legitimate interests." --
sure, a periodic season for killing 'legitimate' enemies
this is why i prefer the fashion inserts
less collectivized narcissism
St. John, don't wait for the NYT to print the names of weapons manufacturers. Dig in and begin posting them yourself. Here's a start...According to a special report of Democracy Now, the two largest manufacturers of these bombs in the United States are the Textron Systems Corporation in Willmington, Massachusetts and Alliant Techsystems, Inc. in Edina, Minnesota. As for landmines, there is a veritable laundry list of companies which contribute to their manufacture. This list can be found following Human Rights Watch weblink to their Landmine List.
Landmines and cluster bombs are major moral issues of our time, as was slavery in the 19th century. The carnage they continue to inflict decades after the conflict in which they were sown falls most heavily on the poor, on subsistence farmers and children. And as with slavery, the religious left is leading the way and the religious right is resisting. It's very odd that those who style themselves "prolife" are so adamantly in favor of these horrific devices. One can't expect any different from Bush, McCain and the Clintons, or for that matter from Robertson, Hagee and Dobson. If it is true that you reap what you sow, perhaps Reverend Wright was not far off the mark.
No. Cluster bombs made in Edina, Minnesota (along with naplam and other goodies) by imported german/swedish wunderkind (around WWII) hummmm
The American government has always maintained the right of its citizens to ship arms to belligerents. President Washington, through his Secretary of State, Thomas Jefferson, and his Secretary of the Treasury, Alexander Hamilton, took this position when France protested against the sale of arms to England in 1793, the answer being that "the exporting from the United States of warlike instruments and military stores is not to be interfered with." - Theodore Roosevelt's "Fear God..."p.160
Oh, and by the way, Hillary voted against the ban and Obama for the ban.
During 2002 at least 120 people were killed in Kunduz Province, Afghanistan alone by cluster bombs dropped by US aircraft, and at least as many others lost legs but lived. Many more animals died, some slowly and horribly. I worked with the small force of UN specialists in Afghanistan under the Taliban. With demining teams and my Taliban advisor, I was able to visit many places in Pashtun tribal territory that were too dangerous to visit in the 70s and are too dangerous now any outsiders but large groups of soldiers. Most Afghans were relieved that the Taliban were in control after many years of lawlessness. 30,000 used cars came into Kabul during the first year of the US occupation, bringing on choking air pollution, and roadblocks went up everywhere. I never saw alcohol served in public in Afghanistan before the American occupation began, and I never met anyone who had seen evidence of prostitution in the country in the nearly forty years that I have been going there. Now there are bars and whore houses aplenty in Kabul, on the main tourist street. Bringing hookers from the outside world into a conservative Muslim country with a large illiterate population at a time when AIDS stalks Asia is a war crime. The Bush bunch have committed many many war crimes, and until they are in prison, Americans can never again have a shred of intellectual or moral credibility abroad.
LUKE: I can only apologize as a citizen with a probably invisible vote for the atrocities committed by my nation. It's been abducted by a band of murdering theives who hide behind patriotism and pseudo religion, and here on commondreams we progressives try to come up with what small ways we can devise to try to stop the monstrous machine led by the US military as it carves up the world and lays so many persons to waste. I, too, pray for Divine justice... the world has seen enough of the cause/effect/outcome of so-called "military solutions." Perhaps if enough of us from different ethnic & religious backgrounds can pray for peace, we can overcome this engineered cancer in our midst. The end of the epoch of oil may play a role as the whole US military requires it to move across the world like armies of fire ants devouring everything in their path.
Yo,
Above said by those who do not serve or put ones
self in harms way, but enjoy what the soldiers fight
for. As, normally, we face more bad guys so this
type of bomb is wonderful. Yes, I agree, it is sad
that civilians & children get harmed or killed. Hope
fully a new type that will selfdestruct within a small amout of time can be made BUT to do away with
them is dangerous for YOUR military folk. Pray for
peace is nice but in this world does not work, never
has, isn't now and in your near future will not work.
Only a mean strong well armed well led military is
needs to include ever up to date weapons. You
peace parying folks can do so only because your
military stands ready at the gate to defent you.
Check our n korea, cuba red china etc etc.
Luke, you must be joking or did not know what you
are talking about.
Souixrose, try to remember all sorts of folks, good
& bad, informed & misinformed join this discussion.
Use a bit of salt as you read. Yep I was in the
middleeast for 4 tours (8 year), speak Turkish &
understand local customs. What Luke speaks about is
well being nice, misinformed. As for the tailiban,
it is well known what sort of folk they are. One
lsst point - red russians were there, you do know
they drink &.....
You all should "thank" the next vet or service
member you see. They are what & who gives you
your freedom. Go read a history book & see where
peace nations go. Slaves, under the boot of the
bad guys till you peace folks wake up & join the
fight for a better safe decent dare I say it, gasp
peaceful world we all work for.
George
retired army combat officer, vet, freedom fighter &
Texicon
Major Hutton,
How is the war in Iraq protecting our freedom? Or in Afghanistan? Vietnam? Korea? nicaragua? Columbia? etc etc etc....Who are you trying to kid here???
major hutton
Yo,yourself
From your post you don't know or are ignoring what the soldiers in Iraq are fighting
for. It's due to Bush's world policies, we face more bad guys and also in small part, because of the type of bomb you find "wonderful"!? Cluster bombs increase the numbers of enemies not reduce. No you don't think it is sad that civilians &children get harmed or killed ...you just stated that the bomb that causes it is wonderful! You even hope for new types to add to what exist! Of course it's the spread ...not the demise of these weapons... that are dangerous for ANY military or non-military folk. Pray, work, strike, protest, resist, write, scream and shout for peace is of course nice and sane but in this world with murderous leaders and their followers like you, it does not happen easily because ya'lls actions are all about war and not peace... never has, isn't now and in your near future will not, because of your war like mindset. When you fight fire with fire it doesn't stop the fire until the use of fire stops!
You only respect and are attracted to a mean strong well armed mislead military. And you, like all war admirers, chase after and lust for the "ever up to date weapons." We peace loving folks do pray and live for peace because it THE RIGHT THING TO DO! Our military should stand ready at the gates to OUR country strictly for our defense. And not all over the world in the current offensive manner.
You seem to be in love with the kind of offensive military/police state that exist in "n korea, cuba red china etc etc." and feel the US can and should create an even better one than they have...for the whole earth.
Maj... you must be joking or trying to just push buttons here! LOL!
Even with you being in the middleeast for 4 tours (8 year), being able to speak Turkish & understand local customs... it doesn't seem to have soften your love for war!
"You all should "thank" the next vet or service member you see."
You mean like thank them for NOT reacting to Bush policies by using their military skills against our government and people like you!?
Yes I have, do and will!
You are misinformed/brainwashed into thinking that the hundreds of billion spent on and by the US military as to what who gives us our
freedom? Go exercise your freedom of speech in a public area NOW or try to protest near a political rally and get back to me on where the police ALLOWED you to have your freedoms IF AT ALL!. We are all becoming slaves, under the boot of the bad guys in the White House. All folks need to wake up and join the fight for a better safe decent peaceful world!
Grasp the fact you are just a retired army combat officer, vet, ...please stop fighting freedom and um...
what's a "Texicon"?
hutton...you've been had by the people pushing this rah rah america --
sure, rah rah for people who stand up for what they believe is right -- great -- and i think it does take absolute raw courage to get in harm's way -- no guessing about that
the problem is that the people calling the shots haven't got a clue about the conditions by which this engagement of military force might be applicable --
so, iraq is really an incredibly devastated place and more thanks to us than 'the enemy' --
you and i, we oppose one another in this debate, and you are on the 'winning' side -- you are also on the side that has ended the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent people in iraq --- we'll disagree about anything and everything, but the simple fact that we've killed a lot of innocent people with very little to show for it won't change --
i understand how you feel -- sure, our freedom only exists because of you and yours -- i'm sorry, i don't buy it -- you're choosing a very limited set of facts to work from --
and i don't expect you to be different, i understand the compelling nature of your experience
i have contacted textron by phone on a number of occassions...yes, they are 'defense' contractors reflected by the defensive attitude of the person answering the phone...i regularly send them photos/articles of limbless children and send them well wishes for their own childrens' health... why not inundate them with your opinions? 978-657-5111, this is their main number...you may also want to contact textron systems children's center (!?!?)at 978-657-3411...check 'em out at www.textron.com
Major Hutton - your mentality started in the times of little patriarchal bands with swords and spears and has prevailed for thousands of years. It has wasted untold resources and lives. Now we are billions and have diabolical weapons of startling variety. Our numbers and our reckless activity means we are now facing the end of the natural world as we know it and we are way past due for a totally new mentality.
War is insane!
We have to re-think the whole little boy concept of "bad guys". Who are the "bad guys"? As Pogo said "We have met the enemy and it is us". Must we go after everyone we disagree with using the method of slicing and burning human flesh indefinitely or until one side gives in? It is not OK to dismiss the death of innocents with an "Oh well, that happens". That happens when you make it happen. Cluster bombs are absolutely designed for blowing up unprotected arms and legs of non-combatants.
Or should we show the courage to reach out to others with the knowledge that most people want what we (normal people) want: A safe and reasonable opportunity to live. That is what I would honor and respect, not the unthinking violent soldier serving the greedy sociopath.