A letter to Amy Goodman of (Democracy Now) and Other News Outlets;

Dear Amy,

Allow me to take the time to express my personal gratitude and admiration for the work you do, and for the dedication and integrity with which you apply your journalistic talents. Currently, it is rare to find a journalist that addresses issues of humanity with "true" concern and desire to inform the public of the issues confronting our world on a daily basis and their consequences on the future.

I know that this is long and may appear rhetorical, but it is a way for me to voice frustration for the state of the United States. I am especially disgusted at the role in which our government, starting with the President, and the media, has played in setting us on a course of disaster. However, it is not just our country that is suffering but also the effect our policies have had on the entire world.

Since we now live in an atmosphere where labels are quickly cast upon people, someone like Sean Hannity would consider me a Liberal Democrat, as he seems to feel it necessary to constantly refer to party affiliation in every sentence he speaks, seemingly always to make all Democrats out to be parasitic, immoral, atheist. I have honestly come to hold him with as much disdain as I have for George W. Bush. I am bothered by this because these feelings go against my religious upbringing and my daily effort to live by the Christian standards set forth in the Bible. It also goes contrary to the moral values I was taught and have based my entire existence. The values that are currently presented to America by George Bush and the Sean Hannitys of the country are antithetical to real Christian values.

As you notice, I intentionally left out the title "President." Until he came into public view, presidents were "elected." They were respected and considered to be honorable people with the best interest of America at heart. Until recently, that was the distinguishing attribute of our former leaders who held that office. How much that has changed; that office has become a dictatorship and a means for financial gain for those who are friends of the office.

Instead, America has become hostage to an egomaniacal, unsympathetic, dictator, who appeals to the prejudices and emotions of the wealthy and a passionate few political fanatics. These few, to whom I refer, appear to follow blindly, the rhetoric of a few bigoted Conservatives without considering the human factor of what they are falsely lead to believe those officials stand for. What is even more disastrous is the hypocrisy.

They are quite the hypocrites. They have quickly pointed out the "attacks" that Obama made against John McCain. It was ignored that Senator McCain initiated the attack on Senator Obama. I never once heard them speak out when McCain attacked Obama.
In the grand scheme, this inequality of examination causes many of my friends from a variety of ethnic and racial backgrounds, possibly a large number of onlookers, and me certainly, to think perhaps there is a racial element in how their telecast, is providing information to the public. This holds true specifically with Mr. Hannity.

I have seen Mr. Hannity demonstrate double standards on a daily basis throughout this entire campaign. An example of the hypocrisy would be the incident of Ted Nugent making the remarks related to several liberal democrats sucking on his automatic rifle. Mr. Hannity had no chastising remarks to make regarding that. Instead, he applauded the sentiments. Had those remarks been made about Republican politicians, or the remarks had come from a rap artist or rock and roll artist, he would have been outraged. We would still be hearing about it now, just as we have to hear him reference Jeremiah Wright on a daily basis.

I have been watching and listening coverage of the election and have concluded that a couple anchors do not project objectivity in their presentations. Obviously, the one person that comes to mind most is Sean Hannity. He has repeatedly continued to keep an issue in motion that could have died by now. To dwell on an issue, as has been done with the Rev. Wright issue, much of which was taken out of context, does nothing constructive for our society.

I had not totally decided whom I should vote for, but I believed there should have been purely unbiased and objective coverage. Additionally, it would appear that much more attention was given to the Rev. Wright issue, and linking it to Barrack Obama, than to similar stories such as John Hagee or Rod Parsley, which have the same potential for being viewed as "inflammatory." Yet, these other incidents were not observed or covered with the same amount of network scrutiny. In fact, some Christians, Catholics, Jewish, and even secular persons viewed them as equally inflammatory.

In the future, I do hope to make a choice based upon my own decisions and not the racial and political prejudice of a television anchor.

America is supposed to be a country for all people and consequently there will be differing opinions, with almost everyone holding some views that are both liberal and conservative. No person can be totally liberal or conservative without being bigoted. When anyone is as pompous and always right, as Mr. Hannity seems to think he is, holds to an attitude that only they and people that hold their exact views, he or she actually becomes a danger to society. These people can only foment hatred and divisiveness. They are blind to their own bigotry and fail to see the damage they are doing to the community.

The message I get is - there is a black man running for the nation's highest office. We cannot allow that. We must find a reason or a means of keeping this from happening.

Why the fear, or, why promulgate fear? America is supposed to be the land where an individual, regardless of color or socioeconomic background, has the constitutional right to advance, and with a bit of luck in the process be able to improve the life of others around him, all Americans.

I do not think we must fear Mr. Obama emptying out the bank accounts of rich people and disbursing it to the less fortunate of the populous. Robin Hood was a fictitious character. Nor is he going to pass legislation to place people who are not of color into chains and throw them into fields. There is no payback principle in his agenda.

Whether conservative Republican journalists recognize it or not, or are simply unwilling to do so, there is an underlying race issue in the manner in which they are presenting these broadcasts. Preying upon the fears of Americans is one of the very reasons we are engaged in Iraq. If Mr. Hannity, and others like him, continues on this course of fear mongering, they might help set the stage for some deranged person out there to notice some subliminal message in Hillary Clinton's "RFK assassination" remark and attempt to act upon it.

Was that Senator Clinton's intention? Probably not, I think she has more class than that. I would like to think so, but only she knows. Nevertheless, the possibility of some misguided viewer actually attempting to carry out such a sordid act has certainly been, or is being enhanced, no doubt thanks in part due to paranoia, theological gulfs, and the fear Mr. Hannity consistently helps to breed. Unfortunately for Senator Obama, that possibility has always been there since most realistic people know that regrettably racism is still alive and doing well in America.

Why has Mr. Hannity and his cronies not put as much effort into unveiling the blatant lies that have been told to the American people, coupled with the corporate greed that has gotten America into this nightmare in Iraq. Yes lies, and no regard for human life whether it is our troops or Iraqi troops. It was not false or erroneous intelligence reports. Fear and the ugly American attitude were the tools used as a means for selling the war to the American people.

Our leadership claimed weapons of mass destruction as their reason for invading. It had very little to do about caring for the people of Iraq, and more to do with little boys in men's bodies wanting to play with the toys created by an over-inflated defense budget. They needed to test our own "weapons of mass destruction," though thankfully, not nuclear, not yet. We had so many toys and nowhere to play with them.

It is the same greed that has been rooted in every international conflict. That greed is married to the immense narcissistic self-righteous opinion of our own moral fiber that the current administration definitely possesses. It is not National pride as some members within our current administration and their selected media puppets would have us believe. Through their reliance upon outright lies, utilization of half-truths, omissions and distortions of supposed "intelligence," America was bottle-fed a propaganda milkshake. These people could care less about the inhabitants of another country.

They have demonstrated their disregard for the American citizens, other countries, and even other branches of government. This was accomplished by lying to us, ignoring the condemnation of the Iraqi war by our citizens and other nations, and through bypassing built in checks and balances set forth within the Constitution to protect the citizens against governmental oppression. Nor is their main objective keeping the world safe. The oil however, is a different story.

Oil is the primary objective, along with the possible opportunity of owning land in a foreign land where "democracy" is established and an American flag has been planted in another conquered territory. This area has long been referred to as the "God triangle", where GOD is an acronym for gold, oil, and drugs. If one types in an internet search query for "gold, oil, drugs," together, most certainly references to George Bush, Dick Cheney, and companies like Halliburton will pop up. However, do not think that Halliburton is the company involved in this quest for greed that has cost so many innocent people, in addition to a small few terrorists their lives.

The viewpoints expressed on shows such as Mr. Hannity's telecast are playing a significant role in fomenting hatred and diviseness between the citizenry of our country, not to mention furthering our lack of credibility in foreign nations. This is being done while hiding behind the cloak of supposedly "keeping the public informed." When they lie down to go to sleep at night, they can rest assured they have played a sizeable role in stirring the pot of confusion, paranoia, and bigotry that America cannot afford to eat from during this time in history.

It is unfortunate that we live in a time in which a newsperson, because of his or her position, so readily and easily uses his own personal political bias to confuse the masses simply for media ratings and money. While pointing out the character flaws in another, we fail to look at ourselves. What is our motive for doing what we do? As Christ said, "…How can you see the speck in your brother's eye when you have a plank in your own eye"? How often does Mr. Hannity conduct a personal moral inventory? Judging by the person we see on Fox Network, I would say never, nor is he likely inclined to do so anytime soon. He is too busy pointing out the faults of the masses.

When guests attempt to answer his questions, Mr. Hannity also has the tendency to rudely interrupt them during the middle of their response if what they are saying causes listeners to consider another perspective other than the one he wishes them to consider. I do not quite understand his need to associate anything that is "negative" with Democrats as a whole and alternatively all that is "good" is a Republican attribute. Surely, he must know some democrats who have moral values and certainly some republicans who behave immorally. I doubt that Christ would have been a republican or democrat as they we are equally flawed.

Interestingly, our current President claims to be a Christian, but his actions have been far from anything Christ would advocate. How he fooled so many people. This man has set the world on a collision course with disaster. That was his goal before ever stepping into office. I remember telling my friends during his first inauguration, "That man is going to have us in a war before his first year in office is completed." I was off by one year, but he do what was written on his face as he strutted from the inaugural platform after having stolen the presidential election from Al Gore.

However, of course, we are not to speak about things like that. We (Americans) were told recently by Justice Antonin Scalia to "just get over it." He may as well come out and used profanity on the air; that response was the same as saying "F--- you" to those who opposed what transpired, a blatant disregard for the citizens, and another example of the omnipotent, above the law attitude demonstrated by the current administration.

It appears that some of those who represent the Republican Party lump all Democrats together as being either anti-American, non-Christian, or there is an over-reaction if America is criticized and they are then called fanatical for speaking out. When the finger is pointed at us, we cry foul.

Rev. Wright and John Hagee are not the only ministers who have spoken out about the defects of America. It is done from the pulpits because that is where people go to try to learn how to become better people. Ministers are individuals too, so as any other person may offend someone when making a statement that causes one to look into a moral mirror. Whoever said ministers must turn an eye and not speak out about injustices.

In the same Bible that George Bush claims to read, we are admonished to correct our brother when he sins. Sometimes hearing about your offenses is what makes you recognize your faults and want to be better. We all seem to have this ability to twist the words or interpret the words within the pages to say what we want them to say.

However, the media takes a sentence out of context to stir up the listening audience. In this era, some news anchors feel the need to interpret to the masses what they [the listening audience] just heard come straight from the candidate's mouth. The media anchors do not give the people within the church congregations or the television and radio listening audience credit for being able to draw intelligent conclusions about what they are hearing. Some of these media personalities also do not acknowledge the truth in what critics say about the "sins of America."

America is not a perfect country. Yet, if anyone says so, in an effort to make America better, that person must endure labels being cast upon him or her. In the case of the reverend Wright issue and Fox's Sean Hannity, the public was and continues to be given a daily injection or reminder in short looping news clips to make them look like racist idiots or religious fanatics.

As an example, I offer the following: Both Pastor Hagee and Rev. Wright were not saying that God caused the events that befell America in 911 or the Jewish holocaust. Most Christians who really study their Bibles are going to take their statements to mean mainly that God allowed the events to unfold on their own. That unfolding follows a course of action we have taken, because of humankind's disobedience or failure to follow his commands. That is very different from your claiming they said God caused the events.

They are correct in that there is a price to pay for deviating from the commandments of God. The world around us is in a state of chaos. The way the media covers events certainly does nothing to help. Instead, because of the manner in which the news is presented to us, America has been harmed more than helped. Some of the people in the news media, such as the show "Hannity and Comes," do nothing to help America, especially by reporting events slanted with your personal biases or political views inserted into the equation.

Journalism has changed much to the detriment of not just America, but its effect on the entire world. What happened to objective non-biased reporting? As it stands now, it is not the individual citizen, delegates, or super- delegates that are choosing our president. It is the media.

There definitely needs to be a reform in media. As it is now, the media rule us. We are told what to believe. If we question what we are told, we must then endure labels or be held up to the public as being anti-American troublemakers.

People like Bill Moyer are singled out or targeted by Bush puppets such as Bill O'Reilly. They are consequently, labeled as kooks. What these Network "Hitmen" call journalism is nothing more than strong-arming newscasters who do not follow the status quo.

It nearly makes one wonder if we are living in a world like that in the movie "The Matrix." I would almost expect people who speak out against the media and governmental abuse of power to really start becoming victims of physical abuse or death. It is true, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts, absolutely. Simply look around you.

Thank you for doing such a great job of showing stories that are not censored or decorated with demagogy to manipulate the public into buying into self-serving propaganda. I am sure there are efforts underway to censor your program, since you show another side of the events that are presented to the public.

It is a blessing to have independent news media outlets that allow us to keep knowledgeable about the events of the world. I feel I can listen or read your stories without the hidden agenda or propaganda of biased, bigoted, and political ambitions covertly underlying the facts within the stories.

When a member of the media community, such as Mark McClellan, decides to come forth with a bit of honest exposure of what is transpiring behind the scenes, or all out deception, he, or she become marked targets of the power elite. They act as if that person has committed a treasonous act because they chose to be truthful. We now live in a time when to do wrong is deemed right, and to do what is right is considered wrong. What happened to the honest morals this country claims to have been born under. Was it just a lie? Alternatively, did we simply become overtaken men with no values or no morals, such as Bush and Cheney, whose only loyalty lies in the dollar bill?

If there is any justice left in America, Herr George (Adolf) Bush and Dick {Ayatollah} Cheney should be charged with treasonous acts. They should be found guilty of treason against the American citizens and War Crimes (crimes against humanity). Once they have been tried and found to be guilty of the crimes they have committed, they should be given the death sentence. Unfortunately it is a sentence that can only be carried out once. Perhaps maybe have the family of the first soldier to die in Iraq, administer the injection. Lastly, hope that whoever becomes the President, does not offer any type of pardon or stay of execution. Grant to George Bush, the same type of mercy he showed to so many on death row in Texas while he was Governor. He showed none; he should be shown none in return.

According to the Bible they claim to live by, "...Man cannot worship God and Mammon {money}…" It is obvious to anyone who truly opens his/her eyes, and is honest, that our leaders do not care about the citizens of the country. They have instead chosen to worship money and the manufactured idols it allows them to hold onto during this brief life on earth. Even worse, they used God's name, as a tool for their own selfish goals.end

Simply watching your programs, especially the Bill Moyers segment, I feel I get a refreshing bit of truth. Thank you for the work you do. I pray to God that you will always maintain the integrity you seem to possess.

Ernest L. Bryant

by daffynishion, war is pre-meditated
genocide. how about all the persians
annhilated too. world court ordered
all this. international lawyers, international law. bush just did as
he was ordered to do. in war crimes
trials, they fail to learn from the past.
judgement at nuremberg etc. and whose
fault was world war two? some blamed
it on american long range planning for
sovereignty of the universe. divine
destiny of the united states is to rule
the universe. united states of the universe. sound far-fetched? not really.
manifest destiny to the extreme. did
the 'future' dictate this 'police action'.
world court is controlled by who?
depends on who is more believable, whittaker chambers or alger hiss.
hiss towers and dr. johnson on wilshire blvd. los angeles, ca. he's probably
dead now. was my dentist as a kid.
as i was born in los angeles, ca just off
skid row on hope st. during the korean
war, its less smoggy than it used to be.
used to be so smoggy ya couldn't see across the street. nice of the guys who did
the clean air act. i got so used to
the smog, i hated fresh air. made
me feel real weird to breathe fresh air.
longed to go back to the smog from
lake arrowhead. ever fly over los angeles,ca
back then. it looked like hell was
below you. high above the smog. you
see, the funeral industry is making
a killing. talk about big business.
paint it black? my companion went
black, but she'll be back. can't take
the flak?

Vote Vincent Bugliosi!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Better watch your hanging chads on this one Defendent Bush.

Polisci- go back under your rock. We outta idiots like you a long long time ago. You have LOST your right to regurgitate neocon propaganda.

Ok, it's not as if I am Bush's biggest fan either,however we can't just leave Iraq as fast as possible, the way the world thinks of us will be in jeopardy if we do. In addition, this guy is overreacting to a natural occurence of war, people die, yes it's horrible, yes it shouldn't happen for a dumb war but as the Commander in Chief, Bush has the power and the responsibility to the American people to make sacrifices that the soldiers are willing to make for our security. And by the way, Congress has to agree to the declaration of war, not just Bush. So to prosecute a President for murder for a Congress passed war is ridiculous, you would have to prosecute Congress as well! You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill, in WW2 there were more than 12 thousand dead by now all over the world so don't talk until you understand war.

Siouxrose are you blaming human nature entirely on religion? If so, you're wrong. Greed is what drives human nature to commit the most heinous atrocities, followed then by religion very possibly.

In fact, most religions teach against greed.

Most wars in history have been fought in name of pure greed, including the current one in Iraq. Humans have a greedy nature, nothing will change that. Watch a 2 yo. fighting for toys, the first thing it will do get all toys for him/herself is physically attack the opponent.

I thought my earlier suggestion of house arrests was radical. I read an article I believe it was here on CD or Globalresearch.ca that said the invasion of Iraq was an act of genocide, according to the UN definition of genocide. The courage and morality it would take for the American people to unify enough to bring this administration to justice, I doubt it exist. At least not in a very large number of citizens.

Mr. Bugliosi has expressed in clear terms of outrage and pure anguish the extent of monstrous mass murder and atrocities committed by the vile gangster occupying the WH since 2000. It was absolutely refreshing to find one powerful and reasoned voice express the deep revulsion felt by so many (myself included) for so long regarding the group of foul murderers and profiteers that have willfully killed, maimed, destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives throughout the world, and put human civilization itself to shame with their relentless crimes.

I have repeatedly described the evil mass murderer in Washington as the "worst human being to have lived in all of history." I have told friends countless times why I believe this to be the case, and am prepared to prove that the degree of evil and pure hatefulness embodied by this foul and putrid creature exceeds that of any other mass killer and perpetrator of evil in history.

Many have pointed out, quite correctly I must say, that similar to the Nuremberg trials (where this same nation put on the mantle of high-mindedness and civility, even though before and since its many actions are at least as lethal and criminal as any committed by those they put on trial), the genocidal killer and his many enablers (Rove, Rumsfeld, Rice, Cheney, Feith, Kristol, Perle, and on and on) need to collectively stand trial for their enormous crimes. Moreover, the do-nothing or worse, actively supporting Congress, especially such highly suspect figures as Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstein need to be seriously investigated for their willful participation in these crimes. I would go as far as to say that both Pelosi and Feinstein, among others, need to be severely punished for their abject betrayal of the people's verdict in 2006.

I believe that along with the racist, profiteering, sadistic, evil gang that has sullied human civilization for the past 8 years (not counting the evolutionarily regressive Reagan crowd), the Congressional Dimocrats (or Demcons, as some rightly describe them) have proven equally culpable, shameless, spineless and disturbingly unprincipled at so many levels. Their collective actions prove the correctness of Ralph Nader's long time assertion that American democracy is nothing but a corporate-controlled charade in the hands of corrupt thieves and scoundrels. This has been proven many times over.

With vanishingly few exceptions (Kucinich, Wexler, perhaps Waxman and Feingold)- they are all handmaidens of the flesh trade. Nothing short of a major revolution will ever fix this rotting system or eliminate the enormous harm it is inflicting upon the world. In the current world, only a few places in South America seem to have advanced somewhat in fixing the capitalist imperial project of profits and genocide. I look with some pride at the experiments run in Venezuela, Bolivia and other places.

As many correspondents have written- given their liberal inclinations, they feel intrinsically opposed to the death penalty, as I do also. Yet, as Bugliosi has loudly proclaimed, this utterly puny, filthy, contemptible beast named GWB(whose name itself is repulsive to me, and is the equivalent of the worst Halloween monster) richly deserves the death penalty many times over for the relentless grief he has brought upon countless lives. At the very least, as Bugliosi says- this vile piece of excrement needs to be haunted by mortal fear the rest of his living days, if possible hour by hour. The same should happen to the vicious gang-members that have collaborated with him in their filthy serial killings and rapes beyond normal comprehension.

Barring criminal trials of such vicious murderers in control of a rogue government, the United States simply will add to its already sullied name as a rogue nation capable of the worst possible crimes against humanity, and will not be cleansed of such dreadful sins any time soon. I can only hope that a few other accomplished prosecutors with proper moral compass will join Mr. Bugliosi in this sacred and urgent task.

Sorry I don't support the death penalty.

However, instead, Bush should be sentenced to be President of Iraq until he straightens out the mess he created. That sounds like a life sentence, at least.

Hear Hear!

And while we are at it, lets also seek crimanal conspiracy charges for the culpability of Pelosi and Reid for taking impeachment off the table.

I am happy to volunteer my services to pull the switch if any or all are convicted.

If the Bible is your foundation for what is "Human Nature" then it is very difficult to see humans as anything other than raping ,murderous ,thugs that need higher intervention.

That said I must agree that we are indeed very young as a species and that once we overcome the dogma of religion/government the path to the future will be much clearer.

This is likely to take many generations to right.

For the present point in TIME maybe we should expose and convict the most violent in our ranks a sentence them .

It does seem to be a very difficult task given the wide spread corruption in not only the "leadership" ,but in the society as a whole.

Thank you Vincent Bugliosi for your efforts in moving us towards a better world.

TETTI TATTI: A human nature that results from religions that teach vengeance over forgiveness, added to the experience of state-sanctioned CRUEL hierarchies is NOT the full spectrum of what human nature is or might be.

POWER OF LOVE: Great post.

PEACEMAN: Thank you. I thought it was a pretty good story myself, but where to publish such an item in these jingoistic times with most media in the hands of those who would (and do) profit by and through war!

The prosecution and conviction of GW Bush will NEVER, EVER happen for the simple following reason: congress authorized the invasion. Case closed.

Yes, Bush lied to congress and to the nation, but in order to prosecute and convict Bush, a DA will have to also prosecute all the Democrats and Republicans who failed to assess the intelligence properly and decided to give him power to attack regardless. A serious case will also have to include the prosecution of all CIA operatives who gathered 'bad' intelligence on Iraq. It will NEVER EVER happen.

Bugliosi and most of you live in a fantasy world. Unfair and illegal wars have happened for thousands and thousands of years and will continue to happen for eternity, it's human nature which cannot be changed. I'm amazed at the gullibility.

In Bugliosi's scenario I like best the perspective that Bush (and his handlers and minions) will remember Pinochet (and Rumsfeld, mind you!) and live in constant fear of being brought before a court when they cross borders. Pinochet was served a warrant while being treated in a British hospital.
Let them eat fear, save your lead.

It does my heart good to see that so many of you want to see prosecution.
Remember, however, that in addition to the near majority who made it possible for Bush/Cheney to steal two elections, a good number of the Democratic voters believe MOST of the lie. They believe in fighting the "War on Terror," but don't think the Repuglicans are doing it the right way. It is easy to talk of prosecution; much harder to figure out how to educate and organize our companions, who have been so thoroughly propagandized all these long years. Do we know how to organize our small d networks to counteract their Networks? Until we have a society in which people TALK to each other, our politics are mostly irrelevant.

First we must honor our feelings of contempt, and outrage, and disgust. They are real and demonstrate that we are remain human.

Then in time we need to move beyond these emotions to see these beings in perspective. Homo Sapiens Sapiens (Lil' ole' us!) is still very, very young.

We haven't figured out how to shape parenting, our school systems, economics and politics, so that these self-destructive, ridiculously absurd humans remain outside the pale of a wise/loving/growing society.

In the long term: first accountability and then, if we want the kind of society we say we want - some form of forgiveness. Nobody said it would be easy.

The Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa is a pretty good model. We will have alot to go through in the coming years...and this will include facing true atrocities - act after act after act of indifference, vicious greed, and indulgence of what is worst in our species.

Recall: Nelson Mandela walked away from 27 years of dreadful incarceration ----- essentially without bitterness and a desire for revenge.

From The Beatles: "Revolution:"

"If you want money for mind's that hate...
All I can tell you, brother, is you'll have to wait."

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The bell tolls for all of us. Bush and Co. are merely an object lession - like a beacon warning us away from those dark shores.

Pointing the finger is just not sufficient. We need to see the three fingers (try it!) pointing back at ourselves. Cynicism is not good enough, we need to be willing to grow (and to help other's grow) in wisdom and compassion.

So here's the (duh!) conclusion.....

as John Lennon also sang:

"Love is the Answer, and You Know That It's True."

SIOUXROSE: A beautiful story and I can't thank you enough for posting it. Two things come to mind after reading about the "downed" Air Force One. Amy Goodman interviewed Gore Vidal recently, and asked him if he was for the death penalty. Mr. Vidal said he was against it, but for Bush and Cheney, he'd make an exception. (No need to explain on CD the crimes this duo have commited.) The second thing was when Kris Welch of KPFA was interviewing Michael Parenti last year or the year before, and Dr. Parenti told her how he explained to his little son (at the time) about the Russian Revolution and what three hundred or so years of the Romanov Family Dynasty did to the people and how the family was rounded up. The youngster asked the professor what happened and Michael said, "They shot them!" to which his son replied, "I don't think they should have killed them, Dad. The people should have forced them to work 16 hours a day like the peasants did so they got a taste of their own medicine." (Disclaimer: my words, describing Christian Parenti's thoughts to his father.)

The contempt I have for the Bush/Cheney Republican Crime Family and their Democratic Party Collaborators, I have stated repeatedly on CD, and if I were a judge, my sentencing would be life in prison without parole, under no circumstances. No torture or cruelty but hard labor for them.

PowerofLove: Michael C. Ruppert is a first-class American hero and a swell human being! A great book by the way.

It wouldn't be a death penalty so much as an act of euthanasia because they are NOT HUMANS.....

Perhaps imprisoning the principals (bush, cheney, rice, rumsfeld, etc.) in open air cages for the duration of their existences on this planet, like monkees in a zoo, would be more suitable?

I appreciate the concept of Souixrose's "teachable moment". What could be a better teaching moment than for any future politico to understand that the penalty for this type of subversion of the government and these high crimes against humanity would be the forfeiture of their life and all property?

Sooner or later our nation is going to have to actually encounter and wrestle with the work of Michael Ruppert. Perhaps like Jacob battling the unknown Angel throughout the long night.

I hope that there are critical errors in the devastating argument he makes in his book, Crossing the Rubicon.

But to date I have only seen avoidance and denial. No one willing to take him on point by point. No one able to refute his carefully and comprehensively documented version of the Bush team's behind the scenes puppetry - prior to, during, and following 9/11.

Another reason for prosecution?

Juliann June 1st, 2008 12:13 pm

Now that my temper has cooled, you are absolutely right. I really don't support the death penalty or torture either, and sentencing Bush to nursing the countless Iraqis wounded and crippled by his crimes, tending to their bedsores and handicaps, is the perfect life sentence for Bush - as well as for all his associates.

Yours is the perfect sentence for Bush. But as Siouxrose says, what's important is "Turning everything into a teachable moment," and that is exactly why I think that a widely publicized and thoroughly discussed trial is the most important aspect to the coming denouement of Bushism: a properly discussed and reported trial would constitute a profoundly needed teaching period for the U.S. population.

The honor and the future of the country are at stake here, and what happens to Bush in the end, be it merciful or not, is secondary.

But my favorite comment here is the very first one, by george w. bush May 31st, 2008 12:33 pm who as president would appoint Bugliosi as attorney general. Such practical wit, such incisiveness - dare I say it - george w. bush for president!

At some point in the hunt for true democracy you must abandon the excuses for the military. At some point, you have to condemn those willing to take up arms against others for nothing more than money. Take away the money, fake prestige and camaraderie, and you won't be able to hire enough guns to defend the capital. How much you value the word democracy determines at which point we are at present.

JULIANN: Good work! Turning everything into a teachable moment is the KEY to "the great turning" that this planet so desperately requires!

A lot of people on this thread have made the same mistake that ALLOWED Bush & Co to deceive the American public after 911... inverting justice to serve VENGEANCE! It never works, it only animates the age-old feuds that ensure that "the sins of the fathers/mothers will be visited upon the son/daughters."

I like your rehab for Ms. Laura... I wonder if she actually has had "sex with that man"?

Thanks for the "Honorary Chair," love it!

Don't hang the messenger. Cheney, Rumsfield, Rice, Powell,Rove. Those are the people behind this American Tagedy. Bushie doesn't have the mental compacity for something like that. He's just the puppet being manuevered.The nice looking face, behind this terrible scam.

Finally! Someone has been reading my comments!

I have been calling for the executions of two George Bushes for six years.

But what is most important is the trial. The trial is one story that the corrupt media cannot ignore or spin. The trial, discussed on television at length each and every day, is essential for two reasons:

1. The constant television reports every day for months or a couple years - whatever it takes - is essential for the education of the U.S. citizens. They must be made to understand how they were deceived and emotionally manipulated into giving themselves over to tyrants. Just as German citizens were marched through Auschwitz at the war's close, so also must Americans be made to see the crimes they supported.

2. Only the trial and conviction of George Bush can begin to restore the nation's honor in the eyes of the world; only the trial and conviction of Bush and the total repudiation of the Republican Party can show that Americans are not all Nazis and barbarians.

Although I oppose the death penalty and do indeed regard the trial as all important, there is an exception to every rule made by man. Considering the history of this family, it would be difficult for me to argue against exterminating the entire line - Dad, daughters, the missus, and the brothers. This is how God does it, it's in your damn Bible and in mine.

It would be difficult too for me to oppose the torture of George Bush - it's his own policy, let him die by it. Furthermore, I believe that torturing Bush would allow the public to recover some of their stolen money, possibly as much as a trillion dollars. Think about that - a trillion dollars divided by 300,000,000 yields $3300 for every citizen, enough money to drive an SUV coast to coast and back! Happy trails and trials to you!

I support Bugliosi, though I would like to see GWB's punishment to be to serve - for the remainder of his days on earth - in Iraq, in the hospital morgues in Baghdad, preparing the tiny corpses for burial, so he would SEE and hopefully FEEL the pain he has inflicted on people. I would sentence him to change bedpans, make beds, wrap wounds, all in silent humility to the people and a nation he has so damaged. I would sentence his wife Laura (no innocent woman there) to teaching in the Iraqi schools - to teach the women and the children to read, to teach them geography so they can know the world at least geographically. To teach them ANYTHING she's qualified to teach, and yes, for the remainder of her days. GWB and Laura would live in the most basic of houses, their needs barely met. Cheney - I would strip him of every penny he and his family have. EVERY PENNY. And make him work in the fields of Appalachia or wherever in this country the children and families need help growing their food. I don't care about his bad heart. If he lasts for one day that way - good riddance.

My anger overfloweth. My disgust at these people overwhelms me.

I know the NSA is reading this and I don't care. 57 yrs ago this year I was born in a country called AMERICA. We were raised with values that have not to one iota been represented by the hideous human life forms that have governed for the last eight years. Shame on them! Shame on them! SHAME ON THEM!

I'm grateful to CD posters for what I learn from all of you. I wish those of us who are not posers could meet, in person. An honorary chair for Siouxrose!

The concept of prosecution should be spread as much as possible, further into the realm of the thinkable, normalized until it gains a possibility of happening.

Arrest, yes. Try, yes. Convict, yes. Execute, yes... but we want to be reimbursed. We want our money back, ALL OF IT. The phrase "follow the money trail" is often used by commentors. The money trails should be followed and every dime and dollar misspent on all of their BUSHIT reclaimed; strip their families; bush, cheney, rumsfeld, etc ad nauseum of EVERYTHING. Leave that putrid, blubberous bitch called barbara destitute on the streets of New Orleans. Drop Laura off at a soup kitchen in Detroit. Force Mary Cheney to spend the remainder of her time on earth cloistered in an all male monastery. It would be too damn good for the lot of them. And a whole world of problems could be alleviated, if not resolved. As for the males of the bushco subspecies, refer back to the beginning of the paragraph!

When Ford pardoned Nixon, we lost, as a people, a cathartic moment necessary for national healing and a shared belief in the need to restore the rule of law. If Bush skates on exponentially larger crimes, we're finally and forever lost. Fittingly.

mrraven500 May 31st, 2008 2:01 pm:

Jake Newton? The (I) running for the House in Tennessee? Or am I just not as well-informned and widely-read as my smug li'l ass likes to think?

Let's add Cheney, Rice, Pelosi, and Conyers to the list as well. It's well past time to put some ache'in on their bacon.

The thing is that these acts were premeditated, illegal in the most serious sense, and led to the death of over 1 million people. I don't like to throw away anything, it might be of use later, so I don't like the death penalty at all. However, when someone who has accumulated power in a position of the highest responsability commits a crime, that by US law is punishable by death, one could argue that execution would send the kind of message that would mean that these laws are to be taken seriously. When you are that powerful, only this level of punishment is intimidating because from prison you can always get out when someone can be bought to spring you.

When Bush leaves office, he has options. The Bush family has purchased (as usual, with the help of connected friends and Reverend Moon) almost a 100,000 acre spread in the wild Chaco region of Paraquay.

A US military base is located near this property as is Reverend Moon's almost 1,000,000 acre indoctrination and missionary complex.

The Bush property is located on one of the largest fresh water aquifers in the world: aquifero guarani. And of course it is near some of the largest hydroelectric works in Latin America -the Three Corners Falls.

Morever, the Bush property is in the Wild West Chaco region of Paraguay which is famous for its big gun-running operations and large-scale illicit drug transactions. (The Bushes will fit right in.)

Last, the Paraguayan government has no extradition treaties with the US.

Cheney is slated to move to Dubai in order to return to his executive duties for Halliburton.

Many of these soon to be ex-Bush officials may find it difficult to travel because there are many warrants for their arrests worldwide. In fact, there are several US cities that have warrants ready.

Just recently a well-known British citizen almost got Bolton with a citizen's arrest.

These guys and gals will have to scramble, hide and/or set themselves up in impregnable compounds.

I do know Rumsfeld couldn't get a cushy academic job with (I believe) the Hoover Institute. Too many students and faculty protested.

Now there's a guy who should be arrested. Where is he living?

The entire Bush admin, past and present: Impeach, convict, imprison!

"I'd like to see Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gates, Powell, Rice, Ashcroft, Tenet, McConnell et al. tried and convicted, but not sentenced to death."

Really? I think a special case can be made. After all, the Nuremberg Trials hanged the fascists. The ruling class needs to be put on permanent notice that their time is up, and it's justice time.

Bugliosi says, "Bush is guilty of murder for the deaths of over 4,000 American soldiers who have died fighting his war in Iraq."

But what about the over one million Iraqis who have been murdered as a result of the American invasion, destruction and occupation of Iraq? Don't their lives count?

I understand that he's emphasizing American soldiers' lives in order to get district attorneys to prosecute. But still, he's closing off legal options by not including the atrocities committed against the Iraqi people. There's an underlying notion that soldiers are cannon fodder anyway; certainly a court may see it that way ("It's a volunteer army; they didn't have to join," etc.).

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/14/3839/

I'd like to see Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gates, Powell, Rice, Ashcroft, Tenet, McConnell et al. tried and convicted, but not sentenced to death. It would be wrong to bring ourselves down almost to their gutter level; I say almost because there is no doubt they are guilty, while most of those whose lives have been lost were unequivocally innocent civilians.

Bush was absolutely gleeful about executing people when he was governor of Texas, and now he has a much bigger stage on which to play out his psychotic, sadistic fantasies and a large supporting cast in the administration, Congress, the media and the American public.

This article just made my day. As much as I would like to drop the entire Bush cabinet in downtown Baghdad, naked, and put most of Congress(both parties) in chains for the rest of their miserable lives, I just don't believe we will ever see these bastards pay for their crimes.
And while Bugliosi has a great idea in planting that seed of fear in this worthless worm we've had representing us for the last 8 years, Bugliosi will fail for one simple reason: GEORGE W. BUSH DOESN'T READ!!!
He will never read this book. And his handlers, if they even mention it, will only spin it in a way so Stupid George will continue to feel good and self righteous.

"It's a volunteer army; they didn't have to join." What an arrogant, callous thing to say. Unbelievable! The ruling class of war profiteers made it clear that they consider people in the military's lives to be cheap.

The war-profiteering death cult also didn't have to send them on an unnecessary mission to die, either. Bush, Cheney, et al. are up there in the same league as the other mass murdering despots who torture and kill e.g. Stalin, Pol Pot, Suharto, and Hitler. They've been committing genocide on defenseless Iraqis ever since Bush Sr. gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait. Bush Sr lied and sent the message to Saddam that the U.S. would not get involved in a dispute between two Arab countries.

The Bush Crime Family and their evil cohorts, the war profiteers, haven't a care in the world. They're in 7th Heaven because (1) they don't have a conscience and (2) they've made billions of dollars off of the deaths of American soldiers.

Let's not forget the million (over two million counting the time between Bush Sr and Bush Jr) dead, innocent Iraqis.

Bravo, Bugliosi!

Frankly, given that death is the great equalizer, the fate we will all face, I think it's too GOOD for Bush & his merry band of neo-con hit men/women. I took the liberty of expanding on this idea in a story I wrote (unpublished) entitled, "The Greater Good." The premise is that a Buddhist monk who comes to the US ends up rebelling against some aspects of the "harm none" Buddhist creed. Recognizing the power of thought, he teaches his meditation students to focus on one thing: Air Force One going down.

The students do this and don't KNOW what actually occurs. Yes, (in my fiction) the plane goes down but the dear leader ends up rescued off the coast of South America by a band of indigenous people who know who he is, the most hated man in the world; and know the price on his head, but decide that teaching him the lessons that will alter his soul for lifetimes to come is the greater reward (and serves the greater good). By becoming enmeshed in actual poverty, by seeing the direct impacts of global warming on indigenous peoples who have lived symbiotically with the seasons/nature for generatiions, by learning to FEEL what others endure... THAT is the man's punishment AND education.

Where do I sign up to be on the Jury?

Problem here is --as much as I despise W-- you would have to try damn near the whole government for murder
and/or accessories BEFORE the fact ALSO. That would be one helluva list, Mr. Bugliosi! I suggest you broaden your scope AND your net and get busy! I'm with you, whatever it takes to get the ball rolling, I hope you give that ball a push instead of stopping at a book. (That goes for Scotty, Richard Clarke, and all the other "tell-all" writers AFTER-the -fact.

Democracy is no longer available to the America people. America started to run out of Democracy after WW2. It has been being replaced with fascism, disguised as patriotism. Unfortunately availability of Democracy peaked in the sixties and we are past the tipping point. Without the Magna Carta and habeas corpus, and the with the Constitution in the hands of corporate America, there is going to be less and less democracy to go around. Only the rich will be able to afford democracy in the future. Have a nice summer.
Hoa binh

DD p.s. my assignment for you today is to meditate on this quote with your mocha.

"This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy."

Martin Luther King Jr.'s I Have a Dream delivered August 28, 1963 at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gradualism

If it were 1963 you would urging Dr. King to back off least he ruin the chances of electing Demorat Lyndon Johnson. We all saw where THAT got us... Vietnam ring a bell?

Great! The problem is that if Bush feels his life is in danger, he would react by starting another war, declaring martial law, canceling election and certifying his longed for dictatorship. He might do it anyway though...

DD sed: "hillbilly "sympathy movement"

Is that your idea of a love poem to the rural poor? Busted! Lie much? I guess you have the perfect model for "mispeaking" in corporate sock puppet Dims. Your delicious mocha is waiting for you, sorry I got your coffee of choice wrong. :)

mrraven500,

I do not "disparage" the rural white poor as you allege, and I've never had a latte in my life. Neither do I speak the stategy of the Dems (Dims, whatever.) I speak my own "strategy" as a liberal, and I'm telling you that you (we) have lost on backlash several times before. Snake oil, you say? Not hardly. Just learning from the lessons of history.

And knowing all of this - just talking about all of this - does anyone out there really think that they're even remotely inclined to give up power come fall?

I think the key is to prosecute him – Bush – where he cannot be pardoned. I'd hate to see him slip the punishment phase of his miserable life. I am against the death penalty also but I think a cage for life is worse and he deserves every cold steel bar of it.

Impeach and prosecute!

I also do not support the death penalty, but Bush and Cheney and Rice and Rumsfeld and a few others should be imprisoned for the rest of their lives, no parole, no special treatment.

There is an old adage "You become what you hate" and I am not interested in joining Bush et al in their unevolved state of being. They are all, however dangerous to the public and as such should be locked up. Orange jumpsuits and highway cleanup detail for life.

May be if John Edwards becomes attorney general under Obama, we will see a prosecution for murder on, not only the American dead, but the tens of thousands of Iraqi children who have been slaughter by that mad man in the White House.

Oh, yeah, don't forget that Cheney needs to be tried, too.

dolkar May 31st, 2008 3:18 pm ..No one gets exonerated here. Hitler's underlings were not exonerated. Many, but not all paid the price. Hitler escaped, supposedly at his own hand (debatable). Bush is not that delusional. He knows he is the puppet, but basks in that position as one would expect of someone with his IQ. You can BET he's running scared as one thing he knows for damn sure is that ultimately, he is responsible, moron or not. I am not sure of what "higher level" you speak. I, for one, do not wish to wait for the arrival of the Christ for justice. We the People are at present the higher level and it's up to us to DEMAND justice. Call Conyers on Tuesday and demand impeachment proceedings!

The rural white poor you disparage may well be the ones who save our butts if martial law is declared, latte sipping crystal gazers, and Dims wit neatly trimmed beards? Not so much...

DD the Dims strategy always to call for deferring action until more Dims are elected. For example in 2005 we were told to hold on off on anti-war protests least we effect DIMS chances of winning. Well guess what they won anyway and then did EXACTLY nothing. Everyone sees through your tired snake oil DD why do you even bother?

I don't believe in torture or the death penalty for anyone, period. What I do believe in is justice so a life sentence would be possible. I try to not despise the person but rather the act. This is not always easy to do with Bush considering how many reprehensible decisions he has made and how many people he has had killed.

My problem with this is that it exonerates Cheney, Powell, Rice, a majority of the House and Senate and an enormous number of our fellow American citizens. Unlike Scott McClellan, who knew himself to be a puppet, Bush is sufficiently delusional to believe he's in charge. He has never been in charge. That doesn't exonerate HIM, but it's terribly naive to think that drawing and quartering Bush will either right all the wrongs committed under his administration or alleviate the suffering and anger of the world. This administration has committted treason. It must be addressed at a higher level.

willybill,

No, I just believe that the ignorant masses themselves are quite capable of overruling justice and conscience---without having the slightest idea that they (we) are doing so. They (we) have been doing it quite a bit since 1981 (Reagan).

I don't have a qualm in the world about prosecuting Bush for all kinds of things. I'd just prefer we start talking about that AFTER a Democratic government is seated that could actually initiate it anyway. Talking big now and then losing the government (in part because of unnecessary backlash) is bad policy for citizens. And, yes, I do think that there are plenty of voters that will "backlash" at the slightest thing. They (we) just "love" the importance of the Jeremiah Wright flap, for instance. I don't want to lose both the government AND the opportunity to prosecute Bush by spouting off too soon and inciting some hillbilly "sympathy movement" for him. And America is very "good" (unfortunately) at such things.

In reply to Daniel David's remark, let me reassure that everything Bugliosi wants can be done at the state level or even lower. In fact, I've read it argued that the DC Chief of Police can and ought to walk right into the White House with a warrant for Georgie's arrest. After all, the loonies who might elect McCain are the same loonies who cry out "States' Rights" all the time. In any event, what makes Daniel so sure that either Clinton OR Obama would have the gumption to authorize indictment proceedings into the activities of their predecessor? And if we believe another current rumor, what will any prosecutor be able to do to Bushie if he skips to Paraguay, which has no extradition treaty with the US and where he is alleged to have bought land? By the way, speaking of "funny names" as Daniel has done, I see as I look at my typing that the names "Bugliosi" AND "Obama" show up underscored in red, thus calling for the spell check, while Clinton's name does not. Point to Mr.David. As to any punishment, let me just say that my moral objections to the death penalty are getting a tough sled ride here, but I remind everyone that Norway and Israel, two nations which do not execute, reversed their stands for the single exception of Quisling in Norway in 1946, and of Eichmann in Israel in 1962.

Daniel David May 31st, 2008 2:40 pm ..Do you believe the fear of the ignorant masses should overrule justice and conscience? Or am I just missing the facetious nature of your remark?

Won, stole, what's the diff, eh?

Have enough sense to elect Obama or Clinton or both BEFORE you send Bugliosi out shouting "death to Bush". Otherwise, us less-than-smart Americans shall conclude Bugliosi is a terrorist and elect McCain by a landslide. (How do we KNOW he is a terrorist? Duh. Funny name, of course. EVERYBODY can see that. Yes, "we" are collectively that dumb.)

I'm not defending Bush. But good grief, the promise, before an election, of the capital prosecution of him is how you get a backlash from every lunatic in the country.
Those lunatics, don't forget, won the last two.

overkill May 31st, 2008 1:33 pm ..Now you're talking! And do it during the bright sunlight for added effect!

At last a leftist with some guts hurray. If we don't stand up to the bullies all the up from Bush down to the Jake Newtons of this world they will continue to kick us and laugh while we squirm on the ground. Vast crimes against humanity is one exception I support the death penalty for.

...and then dig them up for retrial, conviction, execution and reburial with wooden stakes through their hearts.
Rx: Repeat as necessary.

Best of luck Vince. I think my version of a death sentence would be better for georgie boy; lock him in a cage until his god calls him home, then bury the corpse behind prison walls. Just think, the only state funeral held behind prison walls. I wonder who'd show for his funeral???

I think that the entire Bush Klan(yes, every last one of them) deserve a post-white house vacation in Iraq, anywhere outside the greenzone.I am sure that there are many Iraqi's,and US troops for that matter, who would volunteer to be their 'escorts'

I definitely want him to be prosecuted.

I don't support the death penalty under any circumstances, but inBush's case weekly water boarding for the rest of his life would do nicely. After all he doesn't think that is torture.

From your words to the heart/ears of what's left of the justice system in this "inverted totalitarian regime". If this putrid human we call our president is not indicted, imprisoned and hung, as you have so eloquently said in dfifferent words, may the specter of his imminent arrest haunt him until his LAST far overdue breath!

This is the best article bar none that i have ever seen on common dreams at least over the last 5 years. after reading each and every post i think you have about covered everything that i can think of. like the guys in the guiness commercials would say...."brilliant!" heres one thing that i can add, in addition to the Bush Crime Family (which includes mommy daddy and all siblings and children and children of siblings and all compliant cohorts Cheney et al) i would like to see all of their instruments of deception taken into custody and tortured regularly after all wasnt it rush limpdick that said abu grahib was nothing more than fraternity hazings? so round up rush, oreilly, hannity, beck, coulter (the ugliest and most unsuccessful sex change i have ever seen) and perform a few hazings on them.....

"The least I can do is put that thought in his mind until he goes to his grave," Bugliosi said. "That's the least I can do for the thousands of American soldiers who came back in an aluminum box or came back as a jar of ashes. And the parents are told - don't open the box, it is unviewable. They are getting back limbs and body parts. And this - I don't want to use a cuss word here - this small, horrible human being - while young men who never had a chance to live out their dreams, being blown to pieces by roadside bombs - and this guy is having a ball dancing."

**powerful words. Unlike the democrats, you can tell he means what he says.

The critical smoking gun in the prosecution of Bush et al is the idea that what he did, his crime - fixing intelligence for the purpose of leading us into a war, and outing an intelligence agent - added or abetted the enemy. Simply leading our brood to their deaths doesn't make muster and Bugliosi must know that. Being the first kid on the block with a brand name to suggest there are grounds for a trial, is a strategy with no seeming enterprise. Writers like Bugliosi don't crawl out on this ledge without an endgame, or gambit at least. Perhaps he is just pushing the left to frame their fight now, so that once the leadership changes, they have an opportunity to play their trump card.

Vincent Bugliosi is the most qualified and viable person to serve as Attorney General of the United States in the next administration.

Why prosecute Bush? I mean, seriously, I wonder if he knows anything about what's going on in Iraq. He must be the dumbest puppet ever. It's not him that you should care about, but the whole arms industry and people like Rumsfeld, Chaney and Wolfowitz. Those are the real criminals behind this whole war.
So I'm with you gnsarg.

After reading the title of the article and making my comment, I then read the article and have started reading the other comments. Some comments on the comments and article:

--APEuroHistorian May 31st, 2008 3:00 pm and others
Paraguay does indeed have an extradition treaty with the U.S., but the government is so corrupt that extradition is ineffective against the wealthy; however, I think I read recently that Paraguay has a new and less corrupt leader now.

--Bugliosi
I'm surprised, Vince, that you don't know that Bush did halt the execution of just one convicted Texas murderer. His name is Henry Lee Lucas, a serial killer of more than one hundred innocent travelers.

--balakirev May 31st, 2008 11:31 pm
thanks for doing your homework on Paraguay and the aquifer. I will add that Paraguay is one of the very best places on earth to sit out a global nuclear war, and I sometimes suspect that is why Bush bought a ranch there.

I'm with you, sLiMsHaDy June 1st, 2008 4:41 am. I want my money back. And my country.