remember mcclellen

They will get exactly the same "traditional justice" we have always given every black man in America - NONE. Lynch'em Lynch'em Lynch'em. Just like we've always done. Tar and feather, light'em up, hang'em, cut off their genitals, then eviscerate them. And we'll bring the whole family with gram and gramps and the kiddies and pic-a-nic-a-basket to watch and cheer. Everybody in their sunday best. American entertainment. If you're one of the lucky ones, you get a "trophy". You know, like the boiled skulls of Japanese soldiers our "brave boys" sent home from the Pacific in '43. They're all "niggers" to White America.

Look on the bright side. When white America sodomizes a 14yo boy in front of his mother in Abu Ghraib, it's a private show. Nobody gets to "share". This way we all get to watch the fun. "Make him scream louder."

Whosoever sows misery reaps rage.

I say let's afford KSM the same degree of justice the Israelis gave to Adolf Eichmann in '60 -- kidnap him, take him to a country that didn't exist when he committed his crimes, and make a one-time exception to the general abolition of capital punishment. The Israelis were right in the Eichmann case, and the Americans are right in the trial of these mass murderers.

re 1:16pm

right idea, wrong mass murderers---if indeed they're guilty of anything other than driving while muslim. instead, let's try cheney, wolfowitz, feith, rice, rumsfeld, silverstein and zelikow for starters.

The Asia Times reported that Kalid Sheik Mohammed was killed in a raid in Pakistan on Sept 11, 2002. Given the fact that there have been several high ranking Al Qaeda operatives killed twice, I have my doubts about whether he is alive or dead.

One interesting fact is that when the Germans were trying two Al Qaeda members for participation in 9/11, (so far as I know the only 9/11 trials) they requested that we send KSM to Germany to testify, and our government refused. Why?

What possible purpose could there be in a 24-hour duration trip from DC to Gitmo and back for sixty journalists than to create the cosmetic appearance that this PR junket somehow imparted first hand, insider information to them, so as to better burnish their credentials as credible, independent journalists?

Would you rely upon the impartiality of a newspaper reporter on your local courthouse beat who spent a day with the prosecution team, left right before jury selection began, and then reported on the evidence and the rest of the trial proceeding news from an office thousands of miles away?

Bill from Saginaw

""Three months and 18 days is not enough time to prepare a defense in this death penalty case even if the government had provided the defense with the attorneys, resources, and facilities necessary to do so," said Navy Lt. Cmdr. Brian Mizer, attorney for Ammar al Baluchi, who is also known as Ali Abdul Aziz Ali."

What an amazing statement considering that the defense has been prepared in great detail by numbers of people who have proven beyond any doubt that 9/11 was not only an inside job, Al Qaeda was a MI6 and CIA established and funded organization.

Either this man is completely innocent or he was working undercover for US military and corporate interests…

And if as an agent, as per the laws of the land, he must be afforded the same protections as other foreign agents of the CIA.

__________

9/11… Who did it, how we know for sure: http://www.911sharethetruth.com/

'Al-Qaeda' is a Manufactured Intelligence Front:

http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2004/062504manufacturedfront.htm

"Civilian and military criminal defense lawyers have predicted it will take a year to prepare, in part because it's a death-penalty case and classified information is being used."

Wow! Looky here:

The CIA will be releasing 'classified' info... gee... I wonder whose lies this will substantiate... quite a script they have goin' here... what fun to be a ping pong ball in this secret services game where both teams are playing against the truth.

Don't ya just love it?

The nay-sayers, the investigative journalists and the hardline military... all exist just to convince you that your very own government (the one you entrust with your health, your children's false education and your money and jobs...) did not really bomb you!

But they did and they did it with a little help from their secret services buddies (MI6, French Intelligence, etc.) overseas...

Remember Gladio? Well, Gladio is here!

(What's GLADIO? http://www.copi.com/articles/guyatt/gladio.html )

('heads up' GLADIO bumper sticker... http://www.zazzle.com/allinharmony/product/128724012406253449 )

johngladsd May 30th, 2008 1:16 pm ....Are you serious?...You have the nerve to compare this man to Eichman? Where's the evidence? Eichmann's was overwhelming. Ciao..and do not bother responding, I really cannot be bothered with you.

"if indeed they're guilty of anything other than driving while muslim."

Yep.

When are we going to put Bush, Pelosi, Cheney, Reid, Condi, to trial?

It will be interesting to see if there is any evidence to link KSM to anything related to 9/11. If they have nothing but a confession it will only add to suspicions about 9/11 having been an inside job.

tsaNaziWorldOrder May 30th, 2008 4:49 pm

I read the url you posted from alex jones "prison planet.tv," this guy is so far out of it you can't even track him on radar. Apparently all his info on the qur'an came from that bright yellow book "the qur'an for dummies", he is unfortunately a dummy for reading it. Example:

"I have never read any Islamic Rule in the Koran which allows the decapitation of people whether they are Moslems, Christians or Jews, for any reason whatsoever."

How about -- "Strike off their heads" Qur'an 8:12
Or --"Strike off every fingertip of them" Qur'an 8:12
Or -- "So when you battle the unbelievers, then smite their necks until you have overcome them, and then make them prisoners" Qur'an 47:4

Following these Qur'anic orders you have;

"May Allah send the [Muslim] nation someone who will kill them even more [savagely], strike terror in their [souls], tear their hearts out... cut their heads off, tear them limb from limb and shed their blood in rivers...
"Hussein Bin Mahmoud "The 29th day of Rabi' Al-Awwal, 1428 (April 17, 2007)."

Fawwaz bin Muhammad Al-Nashami, the commander of the jihad group that killed twenty-two people in a jihad attack in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, on May 29, 2004, said We began to comb the site looking for infidels. We found Filipino Christians. We cut their throats and dedicated them to our brothers the Mujahideen in the Philippines. [Likewise], we found Hindu engineers and we cut their throats too, Allah be praised.

About 67% of the Koran of Mecca deals with punishing unbelievers for merely disagreeing with Mohammed. Over 50% of the Koran of Medina deals with hypocrites and jihad against unbelievers. Nearly 75% of the Sira deals with jihad. About 20% of the Hadith by Bukhari is about jihad. The majority of the doctrine is political and it is all violent.

9/11 was not an inside job like the Joseph Goebbels crowd would like you to believe, eminent and professional engineers and explosive experts state positively explosives did NOT bring down WTC. 911sharethe truth.com has been totally debunked.
you really should see:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=3#intercepts

As far as Al Qaeda is concerned YES we did fund and support the Afghan muhajidin fighting against the Russians. The CIA sent the money to the Pakistani ISI and they distributed the money, could they have sent some to bin Laden? Yes, but we did not intentionally support him and the Afgan Arabs.
to really learn more on al qaeda see, it's in PDF format:

http://books.google.com/books?id=rO2HY8unF_sC&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=afghan+muhajidin&source=web&ots=4qrl_GV-t7&sig=DmBmIz287YK9_dsD4P4VUsBTc4A&hl=en#PPA3,M1

You must really stop listening to the Joseph Goebbels crowd, these charges are specious but start with a germ of fact. These "facts" are always twisted, blown out of proportion and presented out of context by those wishing to smear the USA. I'm not saying that government always tells the truth, lately the government would not know the truth if it ran them over, but virtually every thing the Joseph Goebbels crowd swears is true has been debunked over and over again by independent experts without an agenda.

Remember Khalid's "confession"? Ironic times imagined it like this "I'm drowning! Idid it! I'm drowning! Idid it!"

also Mike lukovitch did a cartoon in which Khalid is on TV saying "Oh also while managing the Cincinnati Reds, I secretly bet on them"

In any real court no detainee from gitmo could ever be found guilty of anything. Been there too long, tortured too much. Just give it up you dingbats. send them all home.

Good comments Wolf123, very well supported arguments.

But I must add that this government is not clean, far from it. The military industrial complex and the intelligence agencies are way too powerful. Where is the diplomatie, none. It is organized crime

abuelito May 30th, 2008 11:52 pm

this was from 2004
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52670-2004Oct21.html

this was from 2008
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/05/07/gitmo.bomber/index.html

It would appear there is an awful lot of al-Taqiyya being spread around down at gitmo. I guess by your post you are also in-favor of releasing all homicidal maniacs from all federal and state prisons? Wouldn't it be nice to see Charlie Manson running free around your neighborhood? After all he's been in prison way to long.
As far as I am concerned all the detainees and any future detainees should stay there until the islamofascists stop the killing of innocent moslems and infidels, lay down their weapons, stop this insane jihad and go back to making rugs or what ever it was they did before they started their murderous rampage. Otherwise the detainees only leave gitmo feet first in a body bag dead from old age.

if McCain becomes President or we get one more Republican congress I'm leaving the country...this country looks more and more like Nazi Germany everyday as long as Bush and the Republicans stay in power, we still don't know what really happened on 9/11, there's yet to be a serious independent investigation and way too many questions are still left unanswered...all I know is we were attacked by Saudis and perhaps with the help of Mossad of Israel and who knows perhaps elements of our own government (it has happened before) and yet we go after Afghanistan and Iraq... Bin Laden is still running around free somewhere in Pakistan...our media looks like a page out of Orwell's 1984 and our police tazer at will, like we were Colombia or Burma...if this is not fascism I don't know what is...maybe not as bad as in Nazi Germany not yet anyway...yet all we need is an American Hitler and we'll get there fast, the way the American people have been voting since Nixon.

why bother with more sham trials? why waste everyones time?...if your going to kill them, just kill them and get it over with quick.

Forget the self righteous posing...that train is LONG gone.

they have already admitted to anything you wanted them to...why torture them more?

Besides, nobody ever bought into these kangaroo commissions, and the USA's reputation couldn't get any more sullied anyways..

Whoever relies on Popular Mechanics and the likes on the 9-11 attacks is
dreaming; these mags work for Big Corp. And as much as so-called experts
in engineering and architecture go, perhaps some were used for the PM
crap for Big Corp. and other elites, but MANY argue far better and in terms
that either totally or else strongly support the belief that the 9-11 attacks
were an inside job. Also have many other people, including Ray McGovern and
other former CIA analysts, ... and so on. Total: Probably, if not certainly,
far more experts and people of real reputation worthy of paying attention to,
than what can be said for Big Corp. and elites' ops like Pop. Mechanics.

The 9-11 Families organisation, which I believe began with the great protests
of the Jersey Girls, whose husbands were killed in the WTC Towers, don't claim
that they believe that the 9-11 attacks were an inside job, but truthfully and
accurately claim that there remain many, enough, unanswered questions that most
definitely need to be answered, but which the Bush-Cheney cabal has refused to
answer ever since the week following the 9-11 attacks; and you don't do that,
unless you strategically have something to hide, and that's usually something
that's incriminating for those refusing to answer totally valid and crucial
questions.

Some of the members of the 9-11 Families have explicitly sided with the many of
us saying that the attacks were an inside job, and I'm not sure what Sibel
Edmonds says about this, but pretty much everything she has revealed is very
fine reference for the inside job theory, if not fact.

Just like the msm corp. "news" media spent many years lying their souls away,
Popular Mechanics, again, makes its money from Big. Corp. owned and run by
piggish and ... etcetera elites.

Furthermore, the argument wolf123 tries to pass off as valid and about
Muslims or Islam having religious dictates of strong actions (for defence) or
retaliation does NOT prove anything at all about who committed or carried out
the 9-11 attacks, while all the less proving who the real and top leaders behind
these attacks are.

So, wolf123's post is wholly bogus, and he or she evidently doesn't know half
as much as he or she pretends to know about Islam.

Hence, wolf123 is spreader of bs propaganda lies of the elites' order; AGAIN.

wolf123
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well you are a very cofused person if you can equate charles manson with Khalid or Omar or Sami or any of the gitmo detainees. none of those prisoners has ever been charged with a crime never mind convicted. so you really have no right to compare them with an american like manson who was tried and convicted in an american court, and with due process. who they resemble most is those nameless masses hidden away in stalin's old gulag.
your links tell about guys released from gitmo who went back to fighting in defense of their countries. not at all surprising, i don't think. if you locked me up for no reason for 3-4-5 years and tortured me the whole time too, i'd probably do the same thing. bet you would too.

finally you cannot in honesty use a term like "islamofascists". mussolini invented fascism and he said it "might better be called corporatism because it is the union of business and government". the people in our gulag don't belong to any proper state at all, and certainly not to one closely tied to corporations. Now the u.s. of a, on the other hand....

I apologize for the double post, I thought I clicked on submit, I answered the phone and when I looked back there was no post thinking I did not click on submit I did it again, then ran a few errands. My bad, I do apologize

abuelito May 31st, 2008 7:26 pm

I can use islamofascists, a word coined by the Algerian government for the religious fundamentalists who were murdering hundreds of innocent moslems every week in their war with the government to install sharia law. I prefer French law (you are guilty until you can prove you are innocent and few can) most of the gitmo detainees are guilty, not of breaking an American law but of crimes against humanity.
See:

http://markhumphrys.com/islam.killings.html

For a long time I thought it was my right to kill an infidel, the qur'an said it was. If I was killed killing them I would get 72 virgins to fornicate with for all eternity. Then I was introduced to Christianity and Buddhism and I realized what I had been taught since childhood was pure cr#p. The above url shows why those in gitmo and others like them deserve to stay in gitmo for eternity.

wolf123,

You can be sure that I do not bother reading anything written by people who cannot even admit that what we all saw was a planned demolition on 9/11.

No one who can write is incapable of knowing the truth. And that obviously includes you. Therefore you lie... apparently professionally and about murder. Do you think I care what you have to say? And will waste anytime on this? Not much, dude.

I've known a few murderers in my life... and those who had a gas covering up their crime... but, I ain't about to give ya'll any respect!

Write away, the only thing I'm interested in is the full confession of everyone involved... CIA, NSA, NASA, NATO, etc. Yep, I want you all on trial for murder, conspiracy to commit murder, conspiracy to cover up murder, torture, etc., etc.

And the day is coming! You bet on it! And so is the testimony of those of us who have prior knowledge of pre-launch 'investigations' and NATO's involvement.

itsaNaziWorldOrder May 31st, 2008 9:55 pm

"You can be sure that I do not bother reading anything written by people who cannot even admit that what we all saw was a planned demolition on 9/11."

Well it's obvious you are a fanatical believer in conspiracies. Yet, I remember several years ago there was a TV program on national TV in which one of the best magicians of our time David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty disappear. One moment it was there the next it was gone (well not really). I remember watching (as you did) as the WTC towers came down and wondered how a steel building could collapse like that. Then I heard it was a controlled demolition by our government. That was a bit hard to believe because the WTC was open 24/7 365, and there was always people in it and it would take tons and tons of explosives to take them down. No one has ever come forward to say, "I worked on the 55 floor (or what ever) at night and saw these people come in take off the wall board around the support columns pack some stuff around it and patch it back up". You do realize that's a multi million dollar pay day from the national enquirer? So I began reading up on how the WTC was built. There were a few design flaws, not enough fire retardant around the support beams, The buildings were 70 percent just air in volume and all of the columns are not solid steel, they were steel boxes in which the thickness of the steel varies from 1/4 inch (at the top) to 1 1/2 inches (at the bottom). The only load bearing walls were around the elevators and stair wells. Every engineering and building design book I read all pointed to loss of strength in the support beams and weight of upper floors of the building crashing down on itself, the massive kinetic energy of the top part of the tower impacting on the floor beneath. Just like the disappearing Statue of Liberty , what you see may not be what you see.
Was the government at fault, you bet, from not securing our borders to the state department not tracking those who over stay their visas to the FBI not taking seriously reports from the field that middle eastern men wanted to learn to fly passenger jets but only straight and level. Does this add up to "murder, conspiracy to commit murder, conspiracy to cover up murder...". No, just our government not doing it's job, more like incompetence.

"Well it's obvious you are a fanatical believer in conspiracies"

I am a fanatic about reality and truth.

Conspiracies (especially in regard to genocide, torture and murder)

and their conspirators piss me off quite a great deal.

That is why I run the Herbivore Awareness Project and also why I have a zero tolerance for liars who lie to protect murderers and their policies of war-making/genocide.

Liar wolf123,

Pictures are available of the towers while they were being constructed. Nice try.

You are a lying troll.

(Q. If one is paid by the government to help conceal its crimes, in this case murder, with the intent to justify more murders, theft, etc. does that make one an ACCOMPLICE to murder? A. YES!!!)

"The buildings were 70 percent just air in volume "

Wow! That must be unusual... most buildings are solid, no air gaps?

No rooms? No hallways? No places for people to move around, put desks, make coffee... pace...

Can I ask you something? How much do you guys get paid to come up with this TOTAL B___Sh__?

Is that taxpayer money or the more 'flexible' CIA/MI6 drug money?

BTW, This is the quicksand phase, the more you lie, the more sunk you are.

The fact that Bush appointed Henry Kissinger to
Chair the 911 Commission Investigation says it all.
But "Dr.Strangelove" had to step down citing a
"Conflict Of Interest".
The Twin Towers and Building No:-7 were wired for
controlled demolition by agents of the "Mossad".
911 was a joint exercise by Israel's Secret Service
and ISI {Pakistan}, the CIA, and elements of the
Mafia.
Massive amounts of "Thermite"(Thermate) were used.
This substance cuts through steel, like a knife
through butter. It was a controlled pulverization, which caused the towers to fall into their own footprints, in clouds of caustic TOXIC DUST, The Investigation into 911 started 10 months after all the steel(including mounds of MOLTEN steel} were shipped to China and India to be melted down. The evidence was supposedly eradicated.
One of the Bush brothers had the contract for the SECURITY at these Buildings. How Convenient?
Larry Silverstein bought these buildings 6 weeks before they were demolished, and in the meantime had them re-insured and made a hansome PROFIT.
Israeli Computer Companies had contracts for the equipment installed at the CIA, Pentagon, FAA , and several other government agencies, which all seemed to malfunction that very Day.
The Official 911 Commission Investigation was a complete "Charade". Even some of the participants have expressed grave concerns about it.
85 video Tapes in locations in close proximity to the Pentagon were removed, so that nobody would see what actually hit the Pentagon. It certainly was'nt a Passenger Jet.
The whole "911 Scenario" was planned as a "False Flag" episode, to implement the take over of the Middle East for the Corporations and control the OIL supplies.
It will not be long, before the "TRUTH" will ARISE.

"The Twin Towers and Building No:-7 were wired for
controlled demolition by agents of the "Mossad".
911 was a joint exercise by Israel's Secret Service
and ISI {Pakistan}, the CIA, and elements of the
Mafia."

Actually, not. 9/11 was a project of NATO. The roles of the ISI, MOSSAD, the MAFIA and even the CIA were designated at a MUCH higher and comprehensive level.

This is a critical event for the Euro/American empire. No chances were taken. Prior to 9/11, there were considerable investigations to test the American Reichstag (contingency) plan that was drafted no later than the early eighties. Those who drafted the 9/11 contingency plan did so in an effort to address what they foresaw as a near term (within the next fifty years) and predictable state of chaos based upon 'ecological models' that indicated a certain and complete breakdown in social order.

9/11 was a very long term plan to justify major revisions in police state programs (including citizen surveillance), genocides of potentially unruly populations and individuals with leadership potentials, and firmly consolidate resources (such as food, water, energy, etc.) in the hands of the elite pending the collapse of 'normalcy'.

Well I must apologize to itsaNaziWorldOrder, I was totally unaware that you have advanced degrees from MIT in structural engineering and metallurgy not to mention having taken advanced courses from the US Army explosive ordnance school and are an expert in the use of semtex, C-4, RDX and thermite. I see that you also visited all the floors of the WTC and verified you air volume calculations (do you have the slightest clue when and how air volumes are calculated in buildings?). You state that NATO, ISI, MOSSAD,CIA and the MAFIA were involved, sorry you left out some VERY important groups the Gestapo, Shriners and my favorite insidious group the Knights of Columbus.

"85 video Tapes in locations in close proximity to the Pentagon were removed, so that nobody would see what actually hit the Pentagon. It certainly was'nt a Passenger Jet."

I hate to inform you there were several EYE witness, none of home saw a missile but all saw a plane.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/sep/12/expertopinions.charlieporteronmensfashion

"Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'" The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'" The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

Notice in many of the "truther pictures there are a number of lamp posts on the ground (conveniently ignored), pictures of their bases show that they were sheared off, a missile would not have done that but a plane would have.
I know, I know The guardian newspaper is part of MI5 and the eye witness were paid to say what they did. BUT you have not explained to me why of all the people working in the WTC none of them has ever come forward to say they saw men in black suits installing tons of explosives in the walls of the WTC and claim their multi million dollar payday?
By the way according to NY State and NYC records (all of which are public records (but undoubtedly forged)) Larry Silverstein was the LEASE HOLDER not the OWNER. Sorry that last comment came from you friend Fairy Dust June 1st, 2008 6:35 am. I'd be willing to bet he/she sleeps with a 357 mag under his/her pillow at night. Lets hope it doesn't go off.
Just to toss another monkey wrench into your absurd theories see:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20080531_Pinning_the_blame_for_terror.html

"The Cozen O'Connor law firm has filed an 812-page lawsuit on behalf of U.S. and global insurance companies alleging that Saudi Arabia and Saudi-backed Islamic charities nurtured and financed al-Qaeda, the author of those deadly attacks."
"With a ruling from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit imminent, Cozen and his partners have unearthed facts and made connections missed not only by the 9/11 Commission but also by Congress in its investigations."

A friend told me of this site where you could have an intelligent discourse on world events. I should have known something was amiss when he told me of this site on APRIL FIRST.

Liar wolf123,

I figured there would be a reaction to naming NATO, the culprit in chief.

As for your attempt to discredit me... It won't work.

delusional itsaNaziWorldOrder

By naming NATO as the "culprit in chief" only proved to me how ludicrous your statements are. Now if you had named the Loyal Order of Moose as the "culprit in chief" I might believe you, all those guys meeting in those moose lodges with their secret hand shake and moose calls, very insidious. As far as trying to discredit you, your statements do it for me.
I have wasted the better part of 2 hours reviewing a host of conspiracy sites, virtually all state thermite (a powder) was used to cut the main support beams and point to a picture of a beam with what appears to be about a 45 degree cut. Thermite burns at about 250,000 degrees Celsius or 450,032 degrees Fahrenheit. Now an acetylene torch could easily make that cut but exactly WHAT are you going to use to hold the thermite in place to make that neat cut that itself would not be destroyed by the heat causing the thermite to slide down the beam? Also you have a problem with physics, we have to assume all the beams were cut on about the same angle in the same direction. If you cut the beams with different angles in different directions then the weight of the floors above the cuts would keep the upper floors in place - you know the equal and opposite reaction thing? Now we have all the beams cut on about the same angle in the same direction, the laws of physics now state that the upper floors above the cuts would slide off in the direction of the cuts. That's what happens with I beams. But both WTC towers came basically straight down, with the weight of the upper floors at maybe a couple of hundred thousand tons why didn't they slide off appreciably in the direction of the cuts (force of gravity) when they came down? There is no way a controlled explosion could cause all that weight to move in the opposite direction gravity was pulling it.
I know, I know to many questions of which the answers do not fit coherently into your conspiracy theory. Sorry.