Well folks, I bet Iran either desperately wants or already has nukes. And God knows they need them as deterrents from attacks by the US and Israel, the two countries most likely to get by with such an attack. An interesting possibility is that there is no attack so far out of fear of Iranian nukes already trained on Israel, Riyadh, or the Baghdad Green Zone. In fact, it may even be that they knew Saddam DID NOT HAVE such capabilities before the Iraq Shock and Awe. You heard it first from Botcha McCoola and his good friend H. Nicholas Traut.

You would wish that upon me Kem? How sad.

and see? people still want McSame to be president. he voted 100% of the time with Bush-the-loser in 2008, 95% in 2007 and yet they want him. That's why Iran air strike in August is no surprise to me. to many idiots in power put there by to many ignorant people.

I, too tend to think it likely that Bush,et.al. will do something to provoke Iran such that he would be "justified" in engaging in war. As far as I am concerned, if this happens, the "opposition" party we gave a majority to in '06 would be equally guilty in a) failing to put an end to this criminality by impeachment and b) failing to pass a resolution expressly denying any support or funding for such an endeavor, no matter what the alleged provocation. I have called my Sen.s (Clinton is one) and Rep. and told them that I would hold them equally responsible with Bush, and for me that means there is no way I would vote for them. I would suggest, at the very least, that all you folks do the same. Sounds kind of puny, I know, in light of the gloom and doom painted here, but I really believe the Dems haven't impeached Bush/Cheney because they wanted to keep them around to run against this fall. If we hold them equally responsible for any follies he commits as he continues in office, and I mean truly hold them responsible, they might think twice, maybe?

We're gonna miss ya ~Forextrader~. Here comes the black helicopter.

It was in August when the first atomic bomb was dropped on a city.

I'm in Iran's corner.

Glad to see the enormous interest in this topic.

Ray Kondrasuk (1:11 pm): The Elaine Sciolino article in the May 27 NY Times (and one by George Jahn in the May 26
Washington Post) both shriek out anti-Iran scare-talk.

Please also read Molly Moore's article, "Iran Withholds Key Nuclear Documents: Program Still Peaceful, UN Agency Says," in today's Washington Post. Ms. Moore seems actually to have spoken with the IAEA (I suspect Sciolino and Jahn talked with someone like Jonn Bolton). Moore writes, "ElBaradei said IAEA investigators have made 14 unannounced inspections in the last 13 months, noting, 'The agency has been able to continue to verify' that IRAN HAS NOT DIVERTED ANY OF ITS DECLARED NUCLEAR MATERIAL TO MILITARY USE."

The thing is, the documentation the IAEA has been seeking from Iran concerns Iran's alleged nuclear weapons program from the 1990s. They do NOT have a current weapons program. The IAEA knows this. The administration must know it, too, but is trying to build support for an attack and some media are playing along.

We are being lied to again.

Quick: everybody send all the cocaine and beer you can lay your hands on to the White House!

What is a shame Misanthorpe, is people like you polluting this good site. You trolls use a bank of computers, work together, use several different names and cause friction and target any progressives who post often here. It would not surprise me to learn that you and ~Ole Man River~ were one and the same.

"Have you no shame? ...

~Kent Shaw~ I never start the crap and where did you see where I got nasty with anyone here? This site is crawling with neo-con trolls now.

This could be true and all our doom profits could be proved correct.

But before I tell my friends that the world will end before the new Year, I would like to know the name of the source... couldn't it be anybody with a theory that they know we all would believe?

If you think the world is gonna end before next year why would you vote? The hawks will all vote no matter what!

I mean you are all relishing in the dooms day predictions but hardly anyone wonders What good is it to get all worked up again and again with a source that could be as reliable as Curveball?

Remember fascism is based on provoking fear. There is plenty of it here and our brains are now all wired to accept it by freaking out over an unnamed source.

USAn, Vancouver comes to mind. What a beautiful, friendly city. I could easily live there without a car. I might want a small motorcycle, though. Their public transit is superlative.

urthsong May 28th, 2008 8:23 am -- Of the many terrible consequences that would follow Bush doing a "Pearl Harbor" or "9/11″ on Iran would be the destabilization of the Pakistan government with the likelihood that Taliban/al Qaeda supporters would gain control over that nation's nuclear arsenal. Now that is out of the frying pan and into the fire.

I do not believe that Bush, Cheney and the neocons think that far ahead. All they can see is its their way or the highway to hell and let Satan sort 'em out.

Dear Hollow Point,

Your oil fueled lifestyle out in the Canadian countryside, with a plane and no doubt, a couple SUV's, is exactly what is leading to the upcoming slaughter in the ME. Why don't you consider a home in a nice walkable, trnsit-served neighborhood in any of several fine cities in Canada. You don't need to live in the middle of Saskatchewan to have a vegatable garden.

"I agree, this "Asia Times" is probably similar to our crazy supermarket newspapers..."

The ASIA TIMES is a highly respected English-language, east-Asian newspaper. The readership of CD shows their insularity and ignorance every day.

Message to Bush and Cronies--BACK THE F@#& UP!

an airstrike on Iran will be the beginning of WWIII, and the end of the world as we know it. Everyone will lose it, pakistan will attack india, russia will bomb us, and China will probably pick up the pieces. what a world.

Are we surprised? The same thing happens over and over again - WWI, WWII, Vietnam, 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq - and yet here we sit.

http://www.ryanhartman.wordpress.com

"Two key US senators briefed on the attack planned to go public with their opposition to the move, according to the source, but their projected New York Times op-ed piece has yet to appear."

They're probably waiting for them to do it first...

Crook, Thug, and Rat Bastard

Well isn't KEM PATRICK is getting flamed this post.
I've felt some heat for my points of view before but not like that. I enjoy reading your posts Kem but you seem a little bit too inflexible sometimes. Don't drift into the cynical world Kem. It's crowded there. Don't take the flame spraying personal.
The Asia Times report is really irrelevant. It simply parrots what we already know. Most of us see-saw back and forth between "They are going to plunge us into another war!" and "Nobody is that irrational." The hard fact is that the bush adminstration is COMPLETELY irrational and the chaos, misery, and economic collapse caused by a war with Iran is exactly what they are counting on. I find it highly likely that an attack on Iran will proceed. I also expect that there will be VERY LITTLE resistance from the American populace to such a war even if a draft is imposed.
I urge you to reconsider your point of view regarding 9/11 and extrapolate an inside job to the current world situation.
You and I disagree often, but I sincerely hope you don't get banned. I can flip a coin but can't do a thing with a Mobius Strip.

If this lunacy does come to pass, whether or not we're completely f****d will depend on the country's reaction. If over 70% of the country think Bush needs to go, well then that 70% needs to shut the country down.

Let's see... the price of oil has climbed steadily since the Iraq invasion. When the same happens after attacking Iran, the surge in oil prices will cause the economy to implode altogether. That would be insane.

So, yep, I can see him doing it.

Yes! The word "horrified" does come to mind. Bush must be removed from power. Impeach! And kindly do so, immediately!

urthsong, I too was inclined to be very nervous, concerned and downright fearful of the possibly terrible, nuclear war consequences of a Bush/Cheney preemptive attack on Iran, but now I have read this helpful study by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, and it has helped me to, in the words of Dr. Strangelove, "Stop worrying and love the bomb".

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/985895.html

This is a real friggin report on the up-side of attacking Iran, and why it really has only minimal risks.

Of course this study by 'scholars' from a think tank (sic) founded by AIPAC and including Richard Perle on its board, might --- just might, be a bit biased that starting an illegal and immoral preemptive nuclear war on a country that has done nothing to attack the US is 'not a bad idea'.

"Not so bad or dangerous an idea" if you are an oily executive member of the ruling-elite 'corporatist Empire' controlling the US through this friggin 'Vichy' two-party facade of a government --- or if you are a Likudnik-nut and memeber in good standing with the American-style Imperialism Political Action Committee.

As Bob Dylan sang:

Now the roving gambler he was very bored
Trying to create a next world war
He found a promoter who nearly fell off the floor
He said i never engaged in this kind of thing before
But yes, i think it can be very easily done
Well just put some bleachers out in the sun
And have it on highway 61

Of the many terrible consequences that would follow Bush doing a "Pearl Harbor" or "9/11" on Iran would be the destabilization of the Pakistan government with the likelihood that Taliban/al Qaeda supporters would gain control over that nation's nuclear arsenal. Now that is out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Even the normally war-accommodating NYT this morning in its editorial on "Don't attack Iran" focuses on the same simple point that I posted yesterday:

"That must include a credible American offer of security guarantees and normalized relations if Tehran abandons any nuclear weapons ambitions."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/28/opinion/28wed2.html?ref=opinion

By suggesting that Bush offer Iran an "American offer of security guarantees" all the Times is saying is what I said; "an assurance that the US will not PREEMPTIVELY ATTACK AND BOMB THEM!"

This is pretty simple stuff in terms of international relations and abiding by the UN Charter!!!

Don't launch an illegal and immoral preemptive nuclear war, Bush bastard.

"Are we clear on that?"

"Are we absolutely clear on that, sailor, Mister Mullen!!"

Ghawar May 28th, 2008 7:12 am..
Keep taking the medicine..

How do I post a picture of my new house in CANADA I bought? Kids love the place and so do I. My new Canadian wife likes it as well. Big sky, lots of land out in the country, I could have that plane I always wanted. Big garden area I could grow a seasons supply of veggies. I even went to the store bought a CANADIAN flag and raised it up the flag pole. The USA is in my passed and will never be in my future.
PS Bush you are not getting my kids to die in some country for no legal reason to be there but help your middle east friends.

Sounds like our Senators need to launch a "preemptive attack" on Mr. Bush and Cheney by impeaching both of them them before they can foolishly start WW4 and a worldwide economic depression, plus the frighteningly real possibility of suspension of our barely remaining democracy with suspension of our fraudulent elections and an expansion of the growing tyranny we've suffered for way too long.

WW3 is the Corporatocracy's (wealthy class) ongoing war against the poor and working people by privatizing and plundering humanity's commonly owned and needed resources.

God help us, and that means you and me too!

The preparations for war with Iran are camouflage for the true preparation of a first-strike nuclear attack on Russia and China. The obliteration of Iran will be only a footnote to the main attack.

The U.S. will be successful in its preemptive attacks on Russia and China. Four thousand nuclear detonations of U.S., British and Israeli nuclear bombs will wipe out Russian and Chinese military capability and leave these countries at the mercies of George Bush. The U.S. will indeed rule the world. Unfortunately, it will be a world of ever growing stupidity, violence and repression. Hahahahaha! Welcome to the New wWorld Order!

KEM PATRICK, I for one would never attempt to have ANYONE banned from a discussion board. I DO actually believe in free speech. But I do wonder. Are you constitutionally incapable of responding to another's remarks without useless invective? How does that help? Do you think that will open the mind of one to whom you choose to respond? Seriously, you do have a lot of good ideas to offer but the name-calling and and denigration of others' comments becomes tiresome. It seems to be an attempt to stifle others' opinions, to discourage them from posting. Please examine your seeming compulsive need to put others down.

_Funny??

Huck April 24th, 2008 6:48 pm
Kem Patrick likes to use the "stupid" on this forum every time someone offers a point of view different from his own. Hilarious given the galactic stupidity from which he lives his narrow little life.

sure does make me feel like i'm actually doing something to change the world by commenting on a message board along with a bunch of links to poorly substantiated news stories and off handed claims. no one could possibly be manipulating you through these channels, at all.

go 'team'.

Yes_isn't that Funny_definately sounds like some sort of conspiracy against good old Kem Patrick, defender of all things progressive (although he never speaks out against the Military, having been a Capitalist Tool most of his life).__Funny??

If BrainStrain in the Whitehouse does manage to start an attack against Iran (assuming the US military carry out such ILLEGAL orders) isn't it logical that the next step is to declare Martial Law, at home, to prevent the inevitable "terrywrist" backlash??

Good Bye US of A.. Hello Hell On Earth.

Thank ganesh I'm past the midpoint of my life..

Sorta strange that ~Ole Man River~ here has a total of two posts on Common Dreams, one yesterday and one today and his second is a call to have me banished. Then he is almost immediately backed up by an obnoxious person, who has always attacked me as he denys global warming and other such progressive issues. __ Funny??

Kinda funny that Ole Man River has two total posts here at CD and wnats to start banishing others.

I did notice however, ~Ole Man River~, that several others here questioned the validity of the article. "One unidentified source" who was a former U.S. assistant Secretar of State. One would think that a person who filled that capacity would be on Meet The Press and Keith Olberman's program. After all, it states he's retired now, what possible trouble would he have by going public instead of makng such an important issue as this seem like a rumor?

How many retired Assistnt Secretary of States could there be, who were also "carreer U.S. diplomats"? If he was trying to hide his identy, that published informatin would not be very swift. Personally, I think this Asia Times aritle is shaky at best, but that's just an opinion of an ignorant, Imperial Artifact.

Wanted to get this in before I'm banished.

You are corrct ~Ole Man River~ as to what I posted here. I didn't take the time to check it out. I relied upon what ~COCO~ posted as I find her to be quite intelligent and sensible, she's a swell lady an dhas a great sense of humor. I also stupidly attempted to be funny, which doesn't always work.

If you feel that strongly about me, write a letter to the Web Master and explain how you feel. If Common Dreams doesn't want me posting comments here they can easily ban me. Of course there is another option if they don't. When you see my name, just pass on by. I'd be surprised if I was banned and they allowed ~Misanthorpe~ to stay here and write his ignorant garbage concerning very important issues.

Folks, why is this source anonymous?

"The source, a retired US career diplomat and former assistant secretary of state still active in the foreign affairs community, speaking anonymously, said last week that that the US plans an air strike against the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC)."

It seems there are a lot of assistant secretaries of state: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/po/c1791.htm. Still, he's retired. I'm not sure what good he's doing staying anonymous.

The other part that seems bogus is the idea that Senator Diane Feinstein would write an antiwar editorial. She's been one of the Iraq war's biggest supporters, and she's a war profiteer to boot.

Anyway, the neocons are criminals and have been bucking for an escalation against Iran as their next target. That's the credible part.

Former U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter has been saying the Bushies want to attack Iran for some time now, and he was prescient enough before to call them on their bullshit.

Would the American people be stupid enough to rally around the Republicans during an Iran attack? The neocons may think so, but most Americans already oppose the current occupations.

I'd expect the Republicans to set up some October Surprise kind of event, such as the torpedoing of a U.S. ship in the Persian Gulf. Then McBomb can rally behind Bush's war cry, and Obama would have to acquiesce. Even if Obama wins the Presidency, he'll be committed to a larger war, which is what the neocons want most. (Obama did say, "I don't oppose all wars.") Congress already voted for the initial funds that will be needed to carry out this whole mad scheme.

I agree with you completely OleManRiver, how much longer is commondreams going to allow this xenophobic nutcase to pollute these discussions?

Next, Kem Patrick will be back with an attack on you, or me, accusing us of, among other things, being neocon shills, paid by DOD to misdirect the discussion away from Methane burps, DU doom, or whatever else happens to be tormenting KP's addled mind.

The drug addicted, drunken, oily, frat boy is just conducting himself as he has always done, that is, with the full knowledge that NO CONSEQUENCES will be paid by him directly, just what he wants whenever he wants.
It was no surprise to him when he assumed the White House, became Governor/State Executioner of Texas, avoided service in Vietnam, ran several businesses into the ground, ripped off the financial markets, or ran the U.S. economy onto the rocks. He is busy playing 'army' right now with the world's most powerful military and NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO TELL HIM WHAT TO DO!
I am embarrassed to be an American.

In case some of you might have missed it - Bush and friends get off on the deaths and misery of everyone they consider inferior to themselves - if that is innocent women and children dying - well that's obviously their favorite death treats - pay attention republicans - do you notice your "god" is getting around to trashing you too? - these clowns only have one talent - destruction

So this is what it looks like when an insane president rules from the white house.

To Kem Patrick---

Are there any bounds to your egotistical ignorance?

You write on May 27,

"Hi ~COCO~. I agree, this "Asia Times" is probably similar to our crazy supermarket newspapers,..."

I am not at all sure that COCO would agree with you on this.

Meanwhile, it seems obvious that you bothered not to peruse the atimes.com website to review it before dissing it. Actually, atimes.com is an extremely sophisticated website specializing in Eastern perspectives on Western "news."

For example, if I had invested in GOLD as their Mogambo Guru suggested some years ago (while even today he continues to do so because he believes gold will keep rising), I would be rich. I also read through Richard Noland's Monday article nearly religiously.

Asia Times has a less-priggish attitude towards SEX in its advertisements than most US web sites, but culturally that does not make them less sophisticated. Asia Times is HQ Hong Kong, and you need to recall that while nearly every other Chinese name has been changed in the past decades, Hong Kong remains a special place. Your ignorance here is enough to drive you off this site. You have become in Imperial Artifact.

-30-

What more evidence is needed to impeach?

And what is your representative in Congress doing to support impeachment proceedings?

This is the number to the Capitol switchboard 800-828-0498

Call and ask to speak with your representitive and make certain they are aware of this plan to attack Iran however credible it is and demand that our voices be heard in an attempt to stop this insanity.

Gasoline? Any such attack on Iran and there is a chance there won't be any at your local filling station. That means traveling will be limited and food most likely would become scarce. Riots in the streets followed by martial law. Mission accomplished.

Wake the F' up people! Is this America which we live or is it some third world country?

"Atomic Monitor Signals Concern Over USA's Work"

By ELAINE SCIOLINO
Published: May 27, 2008

PARIS — The International Atomic Energy Agency, in an unusually blunt and detailed report, said Monday that the USA's suspected research into the development of nuclear weapons remained "a matter of serious concern" and that the USA continued to owe the agency "substantial explanations."

Hollowpoint: Canada is no better. Money talks there, just as it does in the U.S. It just has a funny accent.

LOL!!!! I will show you by writing an op-ed piece in the NYT. That ought to do it! Sounds like Henry Waxman threatening to go after the crooks only to send them a sternly worded letter in the end. Does anybody in this Congress have a real pair of stones???

Maybe we need more Scott McCellans' to come out with their tell-all books. Daniel Ellsberg said the solution will have to come from inside the junta er, administration to reveal all of the corruption and illegal doings. I think he is right.

I mostly agree with Galen, but I think that we're missing the big picture by only focusing on impeachment and martial law. If impeachment were to succeed and martial law avoided, what then? We'd be back to catastrophic climate change, resource depletion, over population and a world spinning out of control.

Six billion plus is simply five billion too many. As Galen said: "look no further than the bio-weapons labs of USAMRID in New Jersey." Applied world wide after a chosen elite and a caste of future slaves has received immunization shots, this kind of stuff would solve that problem.

Everything else we're seeing is just a warm up while they put their chess pieces in place.

Wouldn't know it if you listened to McCain. Iraq is going so well that we're going to remain there, indefinately, with undefined vague "goals", along with building massive permanent bases. It's going so well that Bush had to suspend the withdrawel of troops this summer, and neither him nor McCain can estimate a time frame for any troops to come home "with honor and victory." If what we're currently seeing in Iraq is success, I don't wanna know what "failure" entails.

And whatever you do, don't ask Centcom Commander General David Petreaus if the Iraq occuption is making us safer or not.

I find the proposition likely. Sad. The assumption is that the president is a war monger inclined to instigate the next conflict rather than find a way to avoid it. When bush attacks, Congress should impeach. It is their mandated power to declare war. This power constitutionally does not lie with the executive. The people of this nation need to make clear that we do not want war with Iran. Unless the fact is that the American people don't really care. Which is the other assumption I fear is true.

Absolute madness!

There's nothing more to say except that Jimmy Carter has his head and heart in the right place - more than we can say for most of those who have served or are suppose to be serving the citizens of this country.

And of course "impeachment is off the table", says Obama/Clinton party.

My motto for September" "ANYONE BUT THE TWO PARTIES"

Nuclear Bunker Buster Bombs against Iran: This Way Lies Madness
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=OSB20060314&articleId=2093

I won't say these madmen know not what they do; they just don't give a damn.

ITSANAZIWORLDORDER

'what amazes me is etc.'

if you read the post i sent to rebel farmer you might grasp my attitude to 'all' media outlets...............

This is more frightening to people in North America than people in the middle east. Over there they already know the simple solution is turn off the oil taps either by blowing up infrastructure or refusing to sell. Those $4 gallons of gasoline are the bullets the middle east is using to shred the most important thing North Americans possess, their wallet. And so called "friends" in the middle east are doing it too.

Since Iraq they already know the American military is a paper tiger and there are no more boots to go on the ground, the US has lost it's reputation as a military power already. Air strikes have never won territory yet, I think most of this talk is about terrorizing Americans not Iranians.

Of course, the current media 'debate' on appeasement is just setting the table for an attack on Iran. No need to suspend elections, declare marshall law etc., the odious syncophant, Grampa will be installed. Our work in Central and South America over the last fifty years has set the template for what's to come. Wright's right. If only those chickens laid eggs, as we're going to need them.

Mikepeters- If any bio-warfare attacks were to take place during all this noise and confusion, look no further than the bio-weapons labs of USAMRID in New Jersey.

That's where the last batch of anthrax came from.

You remember... the kind that was mailed to Democrats in the House, and certain members of the MSM. Right before the Bush junta decided they were going to open private letter mail. And the FBI said they would never stop looking for the perpetrator of this bio-warfare 'terrorist attack'.

Yeah.

Right.

Just like the US was never going to rest until they caught Ossama binLaden.

And how is that going? I mean, how hard is it to find a six foot plus Arab who needs kidney dialysis? Who used to work for the CIA? Who was in a US military hospital bed after the bombing of the USS Cole? Who was questioned about the Cole bombing by the CIA station chief in the area?

Any word on either of those 'never-give-up, never-stop' searches?

No?

I guess the Bush junta silence says more than they intend.

After all, you don't arrest your own operatives...not if you want them to stay loyal for the next black op.

"and now for something completely different:

www.presstv.ir"

What amazes me is that people really believe that this media outlet is not under the same international corporate control that our media is.

When the mullahs, led by Khomeini, first took over from the Shah, they put Gobsadegh in charge of Iranian 'cultural affairs' and he determined all the programming... quite terrible in those days actually.

Later, one of the American 'hostages', related that Gobsadegh was an invaluable asset to intelligence gathering (and no doubt the CIA's 'new' cultural program for Iran). Gobsadegh had returned to Iran from the US where he was reputed to be working for the CIA.

He was executed after Banisadr's government was routed and he declared, "I am very sorry for what I have helped do to my country…" He was working for international secret service interests, clearly believing that more democracy, not less, would be the result.

THADSTONE

on the link at the heading of this article you will get the 4 pink flashing ads for calculating your love compatibility. on the front page you only get 2. plus, (in my case) another 2 ads from the country of my residence in europe. (i suppose it differs from whichever country you are accessing the website) i'm sure i 'didn't mix up the window with any porn sites'. i have 20-20 vision and know how to access websites. and if your definition of 'love compatibility' is only related to porn, then i feel sorry for you. as far as the 'nyt' goes, i cannot comment, as i do not read it. and if they have to sell news by placing ads in their sunday edition for lingerie, then like the 'asia news', i'm glad i do not. this kind of 'tabloid' and their content has no appeal to me.

REBEL FARMER

well, it was tongue in cheek really; a bit monty python (btw thadstone, that's not a snake i'm talking about) but basically, presstv are always on the ball as to what is being said/done as far as the u.s. is concerned. so when this little 'gem' of information wasn't one of their topics i thought i would mention it. but if you don't regularly visit their site, then you wouldn't understand. let's hope they have more integrity. and more integrity than the thadstones of this world, to insinuate that i or kem patrick have nothing better to do with our time than look at porn sites....

Hey why not? we're all gonna die anyway, we might as well go out in a blaze of murderous glory.

Too bad we don't have an opposition party. They would impeach these criminals.

pontif...
I get the same message even if I am talking about the weather. As I have said before CD is nothing but a gathering place for info on people. You can say what you want as you know every posting is sent to HLS. Do you notice how they have the same stories with a small twist over and over? NOW MY POSTING BELOW

I am not ready for 200$ a barrel or is America. This is the total destruction of America from with in. The economy will be long gone and ANY YES ANY social program or safety net for the needy or poor will be gone forever. There will be no social security, healthcare but for the super rich and the rest can walk to work just like a 3rd world country.

"... the people of this
country are human beings, human beings are war-mongers and
no one can be bothered to learn anything by the lessons that
history should be teaching us. We will just plod on and on,
creating destruction in our path..."

1) Human beings are NOT natural war-mongers. No more than humans are natural meat-eaters.

Humans are reared in a war-making culture (temple-based) that first and foremost estranges its members from ALL natural sense. Only inside such an artificial culture (bereft of natural feedback) can the dis-associative psychopathies necessary to plotting war and profiting from it (and executing it) emerge.

http://allinharmony.org

2) We will indeed plod on destroying everything we touch until we learn that our place is to be a co-existence rather than a supreme-existence.

All human error can be traced to one fundamental error.

Know Thy (ecological) self --- Humans are Herbivores

We are NOT natural killers. We are NOT natural plunderers and we have seriously lost our way!

How many bombs need to be dropped, creatures brutalized, tortured, slaughtered, violated and environments ruined before the obvious diagnosis is made:

Humans are INSANE! Ecologically and completely insane! And the path to recovery of ourselves is clear and can usher in immediate benefits to all.

Since the U.S. attacked and occupied Iraq on the basis of "flawed intelligence," one would think that the world would put a halt to its misadventures and not allow it to attack another innocent country again.

Of course the U.S. will make up a phony attack on Americans by Iran with Israel's help and then start WW3 which the criminal Bush cabal craves.

The source, a retired US career diplomat and former assistant secretary of state still active in the foreign affairs community....

Could the source be Larry Wilkerson?

I'm going fishing, call me when it is all over....

"A strike on Iran could rally American voters to back the war effort and vote for McCain."

What a delusional sick-minded population. Why do self-praising Americans think they have some god-given right to kill others in the world? What a dangerous people. Who would have thought the US would be on the wrong side of WW3. Maybe it has run its course.

I can't remember if it was here or elsewhere that I was reading
an article concerning efforts to restrain Iran from uranium
enrichment.

Even if they would be doing so only so they could have nuclear
power, we are forced to conclude that it would not stop there;
their ultimate goal would be the development of nuclean weaponry

We have been told repeatedly that such capability would enable
them to attack Israel. "The mouse that roared" is pretty much
the scenario here. To be foolish enough to do so would enable
Israel to retaliate and wipe our Iran somewhere between breakfast
and lunch.

Despite the fact that it is a foregone conclusion, Hillary
Clinton, on the eve of the Pennsylvania primary, had to deliver
her "obliteration" speech, displaying for all to see (for not
for all to be capable of understanding) that this further
enforces the need for change as advocated by Barack Obama.
These tough talk tactics serve to do nothing more than relate
her to the rantings of John McCain and his vow to continue
military action in that region, to hell with the cost.

In the article of a few days ago, I recall responding that all
the hoopla over what Iran is doing, was doing, or will do is
immaterial. Our attack on that country comes down to nothing
more than a coin toss. If it doesn't happen while we have
the Bush/Cheney team in the White House, you can count on it
being initiated by John McCain after he is inaugurated in January
2009.

You might observe that I don't say if, because despite all the r
rantings and ravings, calls for impeachment, violation of the
Constitution and all that goes with it, the people of this
country are human beings, human beings are war-mongers and
no one can be bothered to learn anything by the lessons that
history should be teaching us. We will just plod on and on,
creating destruction in our path, destroying countries at our
whim, spending millions or billions of American dollars in
repairing infrastructure. The lives lost so far? As meaningless
as the lives that will continue to be lost. We profess to be
world leaders but no one wishes to follow us any more and
we will ultimately destroy everything worthwhile on the planet
by our greed.

Now, doesn't that brighten up your day?

What I fail to understand is how, each time I leave a comment and edit
it, while it shows up in his edited form, I get this dumb message telling me that I've exceeded the 30 minute limit (when I know I haven't been logged in for more than 15 minutes....and if I didn't write it, just WHO THE HELL DID?

links and comments
you have all your eggs in one basket wishing for a second coming of the lord above to save you all from the evil bush regime.

RebFarmer- It's even more incestuous than you will admit to yourself.

There are multiple revolving doors between politics, Wall Street, banking, drug dealing, the CIA and the US military.

For instance, if the US was actually successful in 'winning' the war on drugs, the US economy would collapse. Every dollar from drug money that is laundered through the US banking system generates 6-7 dollars in loans and mortgages. If you somehow managed to stop all drug trafficking, all of that liquidity would disappear. There would be run on the banks as they collapsed, and the US economy with it.

But the CIA aids and abets in the distribution of illicit drugs worldwide, US banks (often with a former CIA man as CEO or on the board) launder the narco dollars, invest in the M.I.C., which sell the weapons and technology to the US military and it's 'allies' (as well as the drug barons and cartels)... and round and round it goes. Money is siphoned off from legitimate government programs (HUD for example), funneled back into CIA black programs, and on and on we go.

Remember, George H.W. Bush was ex-Navy, then into the oil business (Zapata Oil, whose oil rigs were used to launch the failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba), then head of CIA (during which time both Saddam Hussein and Gen. Manuel Noriega were installed by CIA actions in their respective countries), after which he went into politics, eventually becoming vice-president, then president, then went back to big business (the Carlyle Group, which has deep ties to the Saudis, the BinLadens, the CIA and Halliburton).

And he is just one example. The entire US M.I.C., intelligence system, mainstream media and political system is riddled with people like this.

Coco: I went to the news from your link. I'm not sure what I was supposed to "get" that was so different.

I agree with Thad Stone about the Asia Times. They have a lot of well known and respected authors/journalists reporting in their paper. Especially on economic topics. And of course the financial world is VERY interested in a potential attack on Iran because of the economic fallout it would cause. So, given that, I am at least willing to listen to what they have to say in the article posted here.

That said, I still question what this mal-administration is really after. Bush/Cheney have already proven that he doesn't give a damn about the Republican party, the Constitution, or the people of America. And they have never been held accountable for the illegal invasion of Iraq, torture, spying on Americans, or stealing elections. I don't see that they have any reason to believe that they can't invade any country they want to. And round up any Americans that happen to object.

I truely believe that our govenment was taken over by the rich filth a LONG time ago. Starting with Raygun. Their objective has always been worldwide domination and control. They chose the U.S. as the tool because we are the sole world power at this point. So, it follows that they have to take over the U.S. first before they can rule the world with our nuclear arsenal. The added benefit now is that U.S. corporations control the world's food supply to a large degree. Not to mention the fact that 90% of Americans are now wage slaves or destitute and/or uneducated and numb from T.V. and other such drugs.

This whole mess is about the banksters, rich filth, and the elite of the WORLD (not just the U.S.). And these monsters are the smartest guys in the room. Everybody else is just a slave or a puppet in this drama.

So, call your congress critter about impeachment. Tend your garden. And give lots of love to those closest to you. I figure that is the best I can do right now.

Sounds like Hitler's adventures during WW II. First invading Poland on false pretences and thus starting WW II, next he could not invade enough countries. The last invasion into the Soviet Union could be compared with the White House' planned invasion of Iran, it was the end of one of the most powerful military dictatorships. Only, Hitler was legally elcted, supported by American and German Industrialists. And Bush - we are not so sure about the legal election?

You know, I think I almost would like to see the deceiver-in-chief take a pot shot at Iran, and then see him on TV trying to explain to the US sheeple why it is necessary for them to give up that last vestiges of their rights and freedoms so he can 'protect' them as the economy smashes to a halt, and all their savings and retirement plans blow away like so much dust.

There would be those who would attempt to take to the streets to protest, or to make the doomed attempt to remove this pestilence from office. But given how extensively Bushco has bored into the privacy of peoples lives with the fiction of 'Homeland Security', all they would be doing is going out the door to be rounded up and taken to the Halliburton/KBR 'detention facilities', or, if they actually attempted armed insurrection, to be gunned down like dogs in the street. There is no use in denying that the Bush junta uses torture and abuse with a sadist's delight.

Bush, Cheney, and their entire corporate criminal cabal have already demonstrated they will murder thousands of US citizens to further their ends. That they will murder millions of innocent Iraqis, Afghans, and Iranians. They have been caught red-handed (literally) approving and condoning acts of torture and brutality on par with the excesses of the Nazis and 'Uncle' Joe Stalin.

What makes you think they won't turn on 'homegrown terrorists' ? (as I am sure those who will resist the declaration of Martial Law will be labeled)

Bushco has already discarded 'habeus corpus' like a used kleenex.

Detaining, torturing and 'disappearing' tens of thousands of of your fellow human beings, all citizens of the US wouldn't even make them miss breakfast, let alone lose any sleep.

A strike as described would be unconstitutional, would be another pre-emptive strike based on vastly fabricated reasoning. So what if some insurgents have support from Iran. The US is the worlds nastiest and most vampire like state terror organization. Somebody has to oppose them.

The timing is blatently linked with the US election cycle and can be seen by outsiders as a last desperate attempt by republicans to whip up patriotic war against terror fervor to stem their bleeding vote losses. It is also designed increase the fear of the US again amongst the remaining middle east states as a means of oil extortion. Such fear can lead to very irrational repercussions. Any casualties from retaliation taken to the US would be cheered by the evil part of my personality, though the exacerbation of the conflict will cost everyone far and wide very greatly.

If anyone cares about the current price of oil, this sort of action, brought on by a snarling US leadership of lies that make Satan look like an amateur, will inflame middle east conflicts. Forget about using petrol for frivolous use of cars and truck transport. On the other hand, to slow the speeding onrush of climate change, the world economy needs to be thoroughly trashed and dumped completely. A war with Iran, will bring this about pronto, as Iran will have nothing to loose by going all out against the US, and will not stop at just harboring a few insurgents. If prolonged it will finish off the US economy, which is dying anyhow.

I'm with you Jeffery. I wish I believed that these beasts will be gone in a short time and that the best thing to do is wait, but I thought that 4 years ago. The problem is made more difficult by W's eagerness to declare martial law, and it won't take much of a reason for him. I think his plan is to ignite that reason, internal strife or something of that nature, by bombing Iran. We're still just playing pick-up you know. Rove's moved his desk to US News in preparation.

Definitively INSANE (doing same thing over and expecting different result). Hope you're all ready to watch your kids die so your "lifestyle" can go on.

Do you want to know why they would do this?
Watch this video and see what you think:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147&hl=en

coco May 27th, 2008 1:54 pm
the first thing i did before reading this article was to click on the link to 'asia times'. when i was confronted by no less than 4 flashing pink ads for 'calculate your love compatibility' i became a bit skeptical of the content of this article……………

KEM PATRICK May 27th, 2008 2:29 pm
Hi ~COCO~. I agree, this "Asia Times" is probably similar to our crazy supermarket newspapers, with headlines that Cheney has a private UFO and Michael Jackson finally had a sex change operation and now he can't parrallel park his limo. What did those pink ads say BTW?

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page.html

Huh. What *I* saw was ads for Shermans travel deals, ziddu.com upload service, Aruba, a Motorola Trac phone, AsiaRooms.com and HotelTravel.com. Are you sure you didn't mix up the window with one of your porn sites ?

Also, this online newspaper features a column by Pepe Escobar, a journalist that I like from TheRealNews.com

For instance, this video report:
Will Sistani end the war in Iraq?

What is your position on The New York Times, which pays for its news with lingerie ads for pretty women in its Sunday edition ?

The George W Bush administration plans to launch an air strike against Iran within the next two months, an informed source tells Asia Times Online, echoing other reports that have surfaced in the media in the United States recently.

An informed source?

Yeah, I'm going to get my undies in a knot based on what an "informed source" says. Ahmed Chalabi was an informed source and look where that got us.

This feels like a ploy. Get ready to be sucker-punched.

and now for something completely different:

www.presstv.ir

It is so very amusing to read all of your pseudo-intellectual analysis of the newsletter postings..
Just what are you all doing, besides trying making yourselves sound so knowledgeable of the problems this Nation faces?
Whenever I scroll down to the Comments, all I read are the cat and mouse, "gotcha", ramblings.

Bush and his minions have basically backed themselves into a corner. They've said over and over again that Iran must stop nuclear enrichment. The Iranians have told them, in so many words, to go suck on it. Every day that the price of oil continues to climb, Iran gains more leverage, as the U.S. becomes more and more economically impotent. At some point Bush has to back up his threats with actions, or else he looks like the barroom brawler whose mouth wrote a check his ass can't cash. The results of any attack would be catastrophic for the U.S., of course, but that's what happens when you have bumbling, miscalculating blowhards as leaders.

"Senators and the Bush administration denied the resolution and terrorist declaration were preludes to an attack on Iran."

On the contrary, Senators were the first to point out that this declaration was a prelude to an attack on Iran - Webb, Dodd and Biden in particular. You can check out the vote here. Hillary Clinton took heat for her vote during on of the primary debates. "She shouldn't have done it, because what she's done is given this president with his history the first step in the authority to move (militarily) on Iran," Edwards told reporters ... (Lieberman an unseen force in Democrats' clash)

When cheney and his sidekick attack Iran, and they will by November if not sooner, then they'll either (more likely) find a way to stay in power or McCain will win because dems are seen as soft on war. What a terrible price to pay for political games. This could potentially be the beginning of WW III and somehow I doubt that god will suddenly appear and lead bush and any of his followers to heaven for the death and destruction they wreaked on Earth.

OK Ms. Pelosi. It is far beyond time to put IMPEACHMENT ON the table!! Otherwise, the ruin of our society as we know it will lie in your hands as well.

This is classic Bush/Cheney trying to fulfill their goals (as outlined in the Project for a New American Century) before running out of power to do so.

It's right there in the PNAC's mission statement; #1: Engage in two major military operations at the same time.

Apparently Afghanistan isn't a major enough operation.

Impeachment is our only hope! These guys have got to go!! Call your representatives today and tell them so!!

How eager are you to become slaves?

^^^^ Well, I can easily agree that it's about religion, but i'm inclined to think it has more to do with the capitalist deity than with the christianist one. Mammon won the hearts and minds of the ruling "elite" long ago.

Arvy May, It's not about "strategic" stupidity of the USA, its about religion. This criminal admin is handing a holy war to its christianist benefactors. It will be bad enough to send most of us 'to jesus', but will allow the select ruling to survive unscathed somewhere in central america.

If this is true, I am hoping the generals or pilots have enough common sense to either refuse to participate or manage to talk the idiots out of going down that path.