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When It Costs Too Much to Support the Troops
The comment was outrageous, but it was not the least bit surprising. A psychologist responsible for assessing returning war veterans for post-traumatic stress disorder -- a psychological ailment that could entitle them to monthly disability payments -- told staff members not to diagnose the illness because to do so would increase the government's costs.
"Given that we are having more and more compensation-seeking veterans, I'd like to suggest that you refrain from giving a diagnosis of PTSD straight out," the psychologist at a Department of Veterans Affairs center in Texas wrote in an e-mail. She suggested diagnosing a less severe disorder that would not carry the greater long-term disability costs.
The correspondence was made public by VoteVets.org and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, two groups that have dogged the Bush administration about our latest national disgrace: the shoddy care and bureaucratic callousness shown toward the warriors who are returning from Iraq and Afghanistan with life-altering wounds of the body and spirit.
Of course, the morally indefensible missive was repudiated by higher-ups in the Department of Veterans Affairs as soon as it was revealed last week. And, of course, the persistent congressional outcry over the treatment of veterans-not to mention the onrushing election season-makes it more likely than not that some temporary alleviation of the pain and suffering vets endure in a system that is supposed to be serving them will be addressed. Somehow, some day, that is.
That bit of politically induced relief for vets, should it come, does not change the underlying sentiment of the message. Because at bottom, it is a demoralizing reminder of the way the U.S. health care system works for just about everyone.
Certainly, the government agency in charge of caring for veterans is not supposed to behave this way, under the law or any standard of conscience.
In truth, the mind-set mirrors the unconscionable standard of the health insurance industry's thinking that the rest of us must endure -- and from which neither leading candidate for president promises much relief.
The industry's term for paying a claim is "medical loss." This is a disturbingly blunt but perfectly accurate reflection of reality: To make a profit, an insurer must take in more money than it pays out in claims. Denying payment on claims, or strictly limiting payments even for the most obvious or debilitating medical conditions, is how the industry stays financially viable.
"I was told repeatedly that I was not denying care, I was simply denying payment," Linda Peeno, a doctor and former managed-care medical claims officer testified before Congress in 1996. A video clip of her testimony was included in Michael Moore's 2007 documentary "Sicko," the story of how the American health insurance system really works -- or rather, doesn't -- for most people.
The slip-up at the veterans' health agency comes at a propitious time, because neither of the two men who could become president next year would do anything to change the type of thinking it revealed. Democrat Barack Obama relies on the current, if uneasy -- and increasingly unworkable -- partnership between the insurance industry and employers to expand coverage. But Obama would not make universal coverage mandatory, and so insurers would still be able to cherry-pick among those it really wants to insure (the healthiest, and therefore the cheapest) and those it doesn't (the sickest and most expensive).
Republican John McCain's answer is far worse. He would effectively break the link between employers and the insurance industry and give individuals a tax credit with which to buy a policy on their own -- a purchase they would make at the mercy of insurers. If you liked President Bush's plan to privatize Social Security and move toward a do-it-yourself retirement system, you'll love McCain's do-it-yourself answer to the insurance crisis.
But, of course, no one can really do it himself because the whole idea of private insurance is to spread risk broadly. That's why employers are able to purchase policies more cheaply than can individuals: The expensive employee whose child has cancer is offset by the cheaper employee who is as fit as a marathon runner.
The psychology of the cost-conscious official at the Texas veterans medical facility is the psychology that controls the health care system for all of us. If we are outraged at the hint that it might be applied to wounded servicemen and -- women, we should also be angry that it is applied every day to the rest of us.
© 2008, Washington Post Writers Group



51 Comments so far
Show AllIn this 'throw away' society these must be 'throw away' soldiers. Pawns of the Empire.
in our pop culture yellow wrist bands and bright bumper stickers reign supreme. but when it comes to true support of our returning veterans, the rule seems to be "outta sight, outta mind." this is an instance where media attention may really do some good.
Surprise Surprise, this administration has put the soldiers throught the grinder, and if they get back in one piece, but are marred on the inside from the atrocities theyve seen, then just tell em to 'suck it up soldier'
what this administration really needs at this point in time of their record low approval ratings is another false flag terror attack a la 9/11, then the dumb masses will once again be screaming for "those hajis" blood. My best guess is the next one will be some sort of small chemical dirty bomb in downtown anywhere USA. Within five minuets MSM will be doing what they do best and telling the masses that they ALREADY know whos responsible, Its old willy bin Laden again.
So, the American public is finally paying for the war; through higher gas prices and now with medical care for the returning. And the same people that sport those insipid little ribbons on their SUV's claiming support for the troops are the same ones screaming about gas prices.
First, I would like to say that I DO NOT support our troops. They are there against my will, against the will of the majority of the American people, performing a task that is ill-adviced, ill-conceived and poorly managed. I hope they all come home now. If they volunteered I will not afford them a hero's welcome home, but a "I hope you've learned your lesson." Naturally I don't wish any of them harm. But I will certainly not applaus their efforts in this debacle.
And here's talking point of the day:
With all of the screwups committed by the Bush Administration, aren't we glad that they didn't get their hands on S.S.?
Health care needs to be nationalized. That is the most efficient way to spread the risk and cost. If it's better for a large pool like an employer, it's even better the larger the pool. Economies of scale work in this area with no diminishing returns.
If you disagree with that last paragraph then you are probably a freeper.
Actually homeward angel, Bin Laden might, and how well-conceived would that be?!?! Think of the return on investment -- even higher than the original 9-11. Imagine a dirty bomb, woudn't even have to kill many, but it re-introduces the threat, and allows Bush & Co. to declare martial law and postpone the elections. Imagine what would follow; could be the unraveling of this nation.
Bin Laden would be declared a genius. Add the costs of 9-11 and the new one, and we're talking about undoing the U.S. for probably under a quarter million U.S.
The real question would always remain: Bush or Bin Laden?
I believe I read that Obama's health plan was pretty much the same as Edwards', though I don't know if he's offering Edwards' two alternative schemes - the purpose of which, I believe, was to facilitate the marginalisation of the health-insurance industry gradually, in favour of a fully free national health service.
Obama, as we know, prefers to play his cards close to his chest, so it MAY be that he has the same process in mind, but is simply not disclosing it at the moment. Just speculation, I know.
"Denying payment on claims, or strictly limiting payments even for the most obvious or debilitating medical conditions, is how the industry stays financially viable."
Unless you're insuring bonds instead of humans, then:
"US Bailout of Bond Insurers to Prevent Collapse of US Banking System"
Meanwhile, the health care solution is easy: audit all members of Big Corp Whatever, end off-shore tax havens and all other loopholes for the way too wealthy, and use the tens of billions recovered/saved to deliver FREE health care to all who cannot afford it (which means if you can afford it, you pay for it.)
Then, sick the dogs on: the doctors who are in it for the profits and not the humans, the drug corps who gouge, and the insurers who lie, cheat and steal.
Finally, remind all in the health care profession of this: y'all chose a career in HEALTH CARE, not Wall Street, remember? You wanna make super fortunes, change careers.
Fuck the troops. They're criminals. If I were in charge, I would arrest them.
No wonder we are loosing more than 4-times as many Troops to suicide than we are to IED's (enabled not by 'Iranian-imports', but by the "unguarded Dumps" that we once gave-to-Saddam -- awhile before we Inspired all these 'terrorists' to use them against-us).
WE are the Party "killing our Troops" -- so, maybe we should have them 'invade-US', and settle-the-Score...?
"They're criminals. If I were in charge, I would arrest them."
For 'what', exactly? Being 'poor', or for being 'patriotic'?
Or, for 'following Orders' [remember, the Geneva is now "Quaint"!]?
Hell, if YOU were one of them, you'd be better-off being Arrested than you would be "living with yourself" -- after participating in this Farce...
"My best guess is the next one will be some sort of small chemical dirty bomb in downtown anywhere USA."
Nope...the next-one will be a "biological attack"...no-doubt, coming to a neighborhood near-you, and Soon...
[Pay attention to 'who', exactly, benefits from the 'big-Pharma' -- that 'holds our only-Hope', directly-afterwards...!]
Unfortunately, this episode proves government health "insurance" is as prone as the private sector to denying care to hold down costs. We won't get away from this problem even if we nationalize health care because voters want to keep their taxes down.
Most veterans of the Iraq and Afghan wars get little or no medical treatment. They are Iraqis and Afghans, and the US-led cabal did its best to destroy their public health systems.
Where US veterans have an additional problem is guilt. Not all, but for those whose morals have not been totally driven from their psyches, it is a big deal. Note that the less totally "dedicated" the National Guard and Reserves, have a bigger problem with PTSD. They spent more time outside the military mindset, and have more morals left.
MeAlsoToo please except my apology. My previous entry was in response to entry below.
On May 20th, 2008 5:13 pm Ghawar wrote:
>>"They're criminals. If I were in charge, I would arrest them."
With all due respect that's a pretty glib argument for those who trusted those of us over here to have the gumption and the sense not to send them into a war of lies. These soldiers are also us. They're the firemen who serve their one weekend a month in the guard. Their health care givers who expected to provide assistance in the event of a tornado, hurricane, earthquake or forest fire. So in your eyes these people who selflessly gave of their time and their lives to serve us are now war criminals in your eyes.
If so than may I point out that to the people in the Middle-East, who believe we are a democracy, believe that we are also responsible regardless of creed or political persuasion because when we had the chance we didn't throw the bums out.
Ahh but the election was stolen you say so I'm absolved of guilt. To that argument I would refer you to Bolivia, Chile, Argentina or Venezuela where the people there had considerably greater obstacles to obtaining democratic rule and did it against greater odds. Their example ought to put us to shame regardless of what progressive credentials we wear on our sleeves.
MeAlsoToo please accept my apology. My previous entry was in response to entry below.
On May 20th, 2008 5:13 pm Ghawar wrote:
>>"They're criminals. If I were in charge, I would arrest them."
With all due respect that's a pretty glib argument for those who trusted those of us over here to have the gumption and the sense not to send them into a war of lies. These soldiers are also us. They're the firemen who serve their one weekend a month in the guard. Their health care givers who expected to provide assistance in the event of a tornado, hurricane, earthquake or forest fire. So in your eyes these people who selflessly gave of their time and their lives to serve us are now war criminals in your eyes.
If so than may I point out that to the people in the Middle-East, who believe we are a democracy, believe that we are also responsible regardless of creed or political persuasion because when we had the chance we didn't throw the bums out.
Ahh but the election was stolen you say so I'm absolved of guilt. To that argument I would refer you to Bolivia, Chile, Argentina or Venezuela where the people there had considerably greater obstacles to obtaining democratic rule and did it against greater odds. Their example ought to put us to shame regardless of what progressive credentials we wear on our sleeves.
THE VA ALWAYS GETS THE HEADLINES SO WE CAN WAVE OUR FLAGS AND ACT LIKE WE CARE. WHY IS THERE NO UPROAR ABOUT LAWS BEING PASSED EVERYDAY PROTECTING INSURANCE COMPANIES WHEN THEY REFUSE TO PAY BENEFITS TO POLICYHOLDERS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO. WHY IS THERE NO UPROAR WHEN POLICIES ARE CANCELLED WHEN AN ILLNESS IS DEEMED UNPROFITABLE. WE BLAME BUSH, BUT CONGRESS AND OUR NEXT PRESIDENT APPROVE THIS LAWLESSNESS AND MSM IS OUT TO LUNCH. THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY PAYS THEM WELL FOR THE GREED THEY ENJOY WITHOUT WORRY THE PUBLIC WILL BE THE WISER.
Support our troops? NO.
They are complicit in the illegal Iraq war. They are war criminals - for invading a country that posed no imminent danger to us, and for killing hundreds and thousands of innocent people.
Our troops are part of the problem.
MeAlsoToo May 20th, 2008 6:04 pm
"They're criminals. If I were in charge, I would arrest them."
For 'what', exactly?
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They voluntarily participated in an illegal war. They are poor? So what? Rich or poor, they are war criminals.
Our troops are (war) criminals.
DON'T SUPPORT OUR TROOPS.
All simply dismissed by the current Adminstration with, "So, they volunteered, didn't they?"
It should be sooo simple, everyone get the same health care that our Senators and Congressmen receive, cut the insurance industry out of the formula and it would be cheap.
To those of you who are screaming "don't support the troops-thats stupid and asinine. Many of these guys are National Guard and never dreamed they would be sent outside the Continental U.S. and shouldn't have been. They are just week-end warriors who should be reserved for protecting the Country against an invasion on our turf or to help with natural disasters such as hurricanes (think Katrina), earthquakes, tornados and the like.
Barn Burner May 20th, 2008 9:16 pm
"....National Guard and never dreamed they would be sent outside the Continental U.S....."
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It has nothing to do with dreaming. You can and should refuse to obey an illegal war of aggression. Can't do it? Then you are a war criminal.
I have two close family members who have and are serving in Iraq again. My nephew joined the guards when he was 17 years old and in high school. He wanted to become a para medic or a police officer and the guard would pay for college. His parents weren't in any financial shape to contribute much. When he signed up there was no war, no 9-11. But now he is stuck. Do I support this young man?
Absolutely. Do I support the damn war? Absolutely not!
My son-in-law enlisted to get a fast track to citizenship. Again there was no war or 9-11. He too is stuck. He is unable to leave the
Army behind because of stop loss. Do I support this man that I have come to love? Absolutely! Do I support the damn war? Now way!
I support paying for whatever medical or psychological needs our soldiers have. But come Sunday, I will be out there with my anti-war friends standing on a street corner. I cannot brand these young men or any others as criminals because they did what they thought at the time was a sound and sensible idea. Bush, Cheney and the neocon gang are the criminals!
I don't support the troops and here's why: When these individuals joined the military (voluntarily I might add), they swore to defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States. The Iraq War is in blatant violation of Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution of the United States. So what exactly are these troops "defending"?
It costs too much to support the troops when Diane Feinstein sneaks in an amnesty for illegals provision into the funding bill!!
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I support proper professional diagnosis and proper, state of the arts, medical and mental health care for all of our Military Service personnel and veterans.
The issue is not popular political "MISDIAGNOSIS".....
The issue is UNPOPULAR and BAD POLITICS.......Raise taxes, and fund (over half a trillion dollars) the rebuilding and restructuring of Medical and Mental Health care for our troops and our veterans. .And while Congress is spending, spend tax dollars on upgrading the Medical Benefits for Dependents. .This current war painfully shows that the United States shamefully ignores the plight of the Service Personnel's family members.
Note: the members of Congress and their families enjoy the world's finist BENEFITS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If you want to end this war and bring the troops home--make the changes necessary for that to happen. Vote, become an activist, write letters to your congressman and senator........don't stop until they listen. Get involved. Otherwise the occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan will drag on for years and we'll end up losing anyway.It's our responsibility, as US citizens, to make sure the government does the will of the people. We're failing ourselves and our military. It's a lot easier to sit on your sofa and complain than to actually try to get something done.
A vet from the Vietnam conflict told me the CIA provided illicit drugs for all branches of the military. Has anyone else heard of this? He said they're still doing it and that the "war on drugs" was bogus. It sounds like more like war profiteering.
Someone else said that the military was the "white man's welfare."
P.S. BushCo keeps lying and claiming that the troops are in Iraq "protecting Americans." What BS. Iraq was no threat, and the troops need to GET OUT OF IRAQ.
Isn't it interesting that bin Laden never puts out video tapes showing that he is alive -- only audio tapes. He's probably dead, but BushCo needs their Boogeyman to keep people fearful to justify continuing their war profiteering $$$$$$$$
I too have refused to join in on the "we're against the war but support our troops" bullshit I've heard since day one from every "10 degress to the left of center in good times, 10 degrees to the right when it affects them personally" (thanks, Phil Ochs) liberal ass. That includes every waste-of-bandwidth voice over at Air Amerika (the Demon-cratic Party Broadcasting System) and every lame (D) posing as progressive.
I'm sure the family of every SS soldier during WWII spouted such nonsense.
If you have a family member who is serving in Iraq, I'm sorry. But they should have been raised with a stronger moral compass and should have had familial support to resist such an unlawful, immoral, unethical use of their commitment. (BTW, the same goes for servicepeople who served in Southeast Asia. I know most were drafted. I know most of 'em didn't even know where Vietnam was when they signed the papers and donned the uniform. Sorry, folks, but democracy demands an informed and engaged body politic.
I know many people who sacrificed a lot to leave their family, their jobs, their education, and the country and culture of their birth in order to say "NO" to LBJ and Nixon; they went to Canada, Sweden, or prison. They didn't enlist in the Air Force to get a cushy assignment (with combat pay) in Guam loading the bombs onto the B-52s that struck death and terror onto innocent Vietnamese, Laotians, and Cambodians.
Ditto with the current Iraq forces. "They joined the Guard and never thought they'd be sent overseas." Bullshit! That's like saying "I tried to swim across the Atlantic; I never expected such a big storm." At this point, even if you have a job at the Pentagon and have never left the states, you are oiling the machinery of death and torture.
And the Geneva Accords are irrelevant here; we established a tepid precedent at Nuremburg. (I say tepid because the Allied forces legal teams twisted their boxers into knots making sure that every charge brought against the Germans was one which could not be thrown back in their face; i.e., if the victor committed the act, it's not a war crime whereas if only the loser did so, then the gloves are off.)
So, back to the topic: health care. To Barn Burner 9:16 pm:
Members of Congress have access to a choice of health care plans, such as Blue Cross or Kaiser. They have nothing more than some Dept. of Agriculture file clerk with a GS-5 rating. The answer is to nationalize.
My apologies for the rambling nature of this post. It's time to get some shut-eye.
Soldiers are now referred to as "expendable assets" by the military...they are not people, they are tools to be used and disposed of, and that is exactly what we see.
How about we dispose of Bush, Cheney, gates, Rice, and a few other top chicken hawks?
I feel Americans in general have been so insulated from war up to 911 that is why we feel different now. Ever since 911 there has been an awakening in this country and all of a sudden war isn't cool anymore as we had a very very very small taste of what it is like. What would happen to Americans thoughts and feelings if parts of America looked like Iraq or Afghanistan?
As for the troops I have said this in other postings I support the troops but I wish the military would come clean on how bad off it is and not the odd piece of info here and there. Brain dead military personal coming home in diapers should be allowed on TV. Then change in foreign policy would be a fact.
The present health care mess is really health care rationing. It is designed to provide minimal care to the healthy and maximum profits to the wealthy. In this respect it operating as designed.
The money that could be supporting the serfs needs to go to the stock holders of big corporate evil like Boeing, Lockheed and Raytheon, Every single one of these companies shrieked orgasmically at the fall of the towers on 9/11. They agitated amongst themselves too, other big entities like concrete pourers PB-Faradyne or other big things you've never heard of cried foul when Halliburton got the no-bid. These guys deisgned the "wars", they would profit immensely from it, they run your government and your representatives are working for them. Much cheaper to celebrate a patriotic sacrifice by a wayward 20 something, who was unemployed to begin with. (They'd never publically say suicide is a good thing, but wow is it cheaper) We do have heros, soldiers who refused to go, who looked up at towering machine and said "F&ck you!", and realized the Army doesn't pay squat, I am getting out.
U.S. military personnel are not obligated to follow illegal orders. In fact, they are forbidden from following illegal orders. Every order involving Iraq, from the word "go" is an illegal order. Therefore, the ones in Iraq are there because they ~want~ to follow illegal orders. I can't support that.
I'm very envious of anyone who can comfortably say "to hell with supporting the troops. They enlisted, so it's their fault." It must be nice to be perfect.
It's always easier when it's not happening to you.
What's wrong is that military recruiters go after children not yet out of high school and our society glorifies war, with movies and books and songs ("Onward Christian Soldiers" and etc) and GI Joe figurines and so on. If there were enough halfway decent jobs to go around the military would have a hard time finding people to enlist.
The soldiers were tricked and so were we. We need to support the troops more than ever, and the best way to support them is to let them know that we won't think badly of them if they speak out against the war and if they refuse to go back to Iraq once they're stateside. And to do the best we can do to end the war. The last thing we need to do is to make the soldiers who finally make the decision to not fight anymore feel bad for doing so.
If you can glibly say "fuck the troops" without ever having had to go through what they've gone through, you're either very lucky because nothing bad has ever happened to you, or you're a monster, a person born without empathy.
It's not the troops' fault: it's the fault of the people who trick them into enlisting and then, once they're enlisted, send them off to fight illegal wars, without telling them the wars are illegal.
The health insurance problem is actually easy, though: cut the military budget in half and use the money saved for single-payer health care for all, civilians and military personnel alike.
MeAlsoToo May 20th,
I would arrest them for their obvious crimes. I would find them guilty, I'd fine them a dollar collectively, and I would sentence them to educations individually.
I would not rebuild Iraq. Iraqis would be happy enough to see the U.S. leave, and if the U.S. would pay for the Iraqi oil, then Iraqis would be able to do their own rebuilding. I'm in favor of peace and prosperity; justice is unachievable at this point.
I cannot support soldiers who are committing crimes merely because they are American soldiers. We can't blame all our problems on the corrupt leaders who start the wars; these sleazy Machiavellians would be impotent without their obedient troops.
Domestically, BushCo would be impotent again without the mindless help of tens of thousands of Homeland Security enforcers and police of various agencies. None of these dupes of the totalitarians is to be supported or respected for carrying out genocidal or unconstitutional orders.
I am not in favor of spitting on the troops or of imprisoning them, and it would be foolish and hopeless to challenge armed enforcers in the street - "revolution" is off the table. What's more practical is persuading people to refuse to help with Bush's crimes, and shaming those who do. So I do let "the troops" know, when I encounter them, that their actions are illegal and immoral. If more can be dissuaded from enlisting by persuading them, shaming them or informing them, then the warmongers could be defanged. They're already having a lot of trouble finding help.
The power of slobs like Bush and Cheney comes from the obedience given them by thousands of armed soldiers and police, not from the Constitution. Power comes from the barrel of a gun!
Ticonderoga: these individuals made their choice to join the military and partake in Bush's American Empire wars. I'm not going to feel sorry for them for making a bad choice. People should take responsibility for the choices they make. You say they were tricked. Maybe so, but that's a cop-out as far as I'm concerned. You can call me a monster or any other name in the book if it makes you feel better. But you won't change the way I feel.
If the military really is there to "protect America," then they should be stationed right here in the U.S. We don't need such a huge military for one thing. We have enough weapons to blow the world up several times over. No country is insane enough to attack the world's superpower given the weapons we possess. No foreign country attacked us on 9/11, so we shouldn't be in Iraq and Afghanistan dropping bombs and killing civilians.
The military is sent to foreign lands to protect the interests of the fascist super rich war profiteers. That has nothing to do with "protecting Americans."
The imperialist war profiteers in charge of the U.S. government allowed 9/11 to occur in spite of several warnings for months before it happened. There are many things they could have done to prevent it, but they chose to do nothing.
It seems to me that if you are considering taking up a line of work which could result in you losing your soul or your life, a little investigation into what you're getting involved with would be prudent. Didn't take rocket scientist to see the writing on the wall a long time ago with these criminals.
NATURAL HEALING WOULD BE BETTER AND ALSO WHEN ARE WE ALL GONNA WAKE UP TO THE FACT THAT THESE SOLDIERS' BODIES ARE FILLED WITH DEPLETED URANIUM AND THEY REALLY OUGHT TO BE QUARANTINED UNTIL CLEARED OF SAME SO AS NOT TO BE A DANGER TO THE REST OF US WHO INCIDENTALLY DID NOT SIGN UP TO BE HIRED HIT MEN!
THE KIND OF MEDICINE THEY GIVE YOU - CHEMICALS, RADIATION, THE WORST PSYCHOLOGISTS - IS HARDLY WORTH GETTING! IT CERTAINLY IS NOT WAITING FOREVER FOR, OR JUMPING THROUGH THE HUMILIATING HOOPS THEY ARE BOUND TO SEND YOU THROUGH!
Soldiers' Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome could be treated economically and effectively through holistic means; let's not forget that and allow the phramaceutical industry to rake it in once again! The most economical and effective healing for PTSD is a combination of:
1) Bodywork and Acupuncture
2) Learning Stress Reduction through books from their local libraries and meditation and yoga centers
3) Flower Essences such as those from the Delta Garden Center for Flower Essences. That stuff is amazing! And you can produce flower essences from your own backyard really cheap once you figure out which ones you need!
Consider:
Star of Bethlehem, Rock Rose, Shasta Daisy, Morning Glory and Borage. See the writings of David Dalton, Edward Bach and Rudolf Steiner.
Soldier Boys and Girls:
(National Guard not included; you really are victims and I am so sorry Bush is such scum that he could send you there and Congress is so numb that they could let him: UGH!)
Stop even looking to the military-industrial-pharmaceutical complex for help. These guys are bozos! Start helping yourselves, because those suckers screwed you and every contact with them will only screw you more! Stop waiting for them to save you. That's what got you into the mess you're in! Move on and take a little responsibility: you signed up and you agreed to kill people if told to do so. Jesus told us all never ever to kill anybody. It was made very clear. For whatever reason, you convinced yourselves not to listen, and to go over there and kill some people, even after Vietnam showed us so clearly that the American military is a goon squad sent to do the corporations' dirty work when needed.
I can't tolerate people acting so naiive, after 100 million years of evolution made us all at least a little smarter than that. The victim mentality will get you nowhere! Face up to it: you really screwed up your karma and you will have to have alot of courage and repentence to get back to being cool with God, and that's where real health comes from, from YOU giving love, from YOU showing compassion, not from us giving it all to you.
I know it's hard! But nobody signed you up. Now it's time to really learn to think and take responsibility for your actions and realize that the pain you are feeling is natural and right because what you did was really really mean and wrong.
Now, we the people also have to be very wary of you and your bodies which are probably largely filled with Depleted Uranium and bound to spread health mayhem to American citizens and soils for years to come. Eat alot of seaweed, and please see how you can keep yourselves from being a toxic burden on the rest of us forever. I'm not sure if it's possible. But that's the reality we must all face: in the end we may have to quarantine these ex-soldiers into Depleted Uranium camps where they can live and die with the rest of the murderous who signed up to be mercenaries. It teaches you that it really is a good idea to think on a general basis about what we do and who we are hurting or signing up to obey!
I agree with forextrader completely. The 'troops' ... our version of hired killers ... joined voluntarily and should have quit knowing fully well these wars are a sham.
I blame Americans at large and particularly the politicians but are the 'troops' so morally compromised or so blinded by idiotic patriotism that they cannot make a choice to stop killing innocents ?
There are millions of poor people who DONT choose to become hired killers. The 'troops' took the easy way out and also it gives them an outlet for their violence - and im supposed to feel sorry for these murdering bastards.
Our troops are volunteer, hired "killers". They are criminals, because they make war crimes possible.
Where would draft-dodger, chicken hawks like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz be without our obedient soldiers? Our soldiers are a big part of the the problem.
I DO NOT SUPPORT OUR TROOPS. THEY ARE WAR CRIMINALS.
I do not support the human race. It is an abberation on this Earth. It will soon be gone - not even a blip in Earth history. Yet look at the havoc it has caused.
"Perhaps we can focus on the GAME here,"
This sounds a lot like - ' the end justifies the means' - argument. It does not. We are all aware of the GAME by now and so are the soldiers and other enablers, unless you are hiding in a cave in Appalachia ...
Yes. They call it "The Great Game".
presence_aka_Namaste May 21st, 2008 3:51 pm
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"Americans whose lifestyle ( based on global sale of weapons}...." don't support them
"..soldiers are major victims ....". Wrong - soldiers are volunteer perpetrators - volunteer killers
"....forced into war....". Repeat, they volunteered, were not forced.
".....sacrifice for perceived protection of home and loved ones....". They must be brain dead or zombies, not to understand that the Iraqi war has nothing to do with protecting our home. Don't support the troops!
DON'T SUPPORT OUR WAR CRIMINALS!!!
presence_aka_Namaste maybe if you tone down the CAPS we can hear you think !
"TIME (aka DEATH in HINDU ) is an illusion to embellish the feigned value of history's ( inertia's ) trajectory"
Whatever ... is this a stab at hindu philosophy or something ... its not making sense ... what does this have to do with war criminals (aka U.S. Marines).
To support the troops is to exploit the troops.
once again...
"support the troops" is a bumper sticker that doesn't have anything to do with the troops.
I was reading the news about how High School graduates are going through graduate ceremonies with their parents in Iraq. One father remarked something to the effect of "I know it's hard on my daughter but I hope she understands that I am here in Iraq to make the world a better place". I almost put my fist through the computer when I read that. My response: No Daddy dearest! It's time for you to step up like a real man and be there for your daughter's graduation instead of being a trained dog for Bush's Amerika! You are not fit to be a parent.