Drop in Life Expectancy Shows Health Care Failure
Recently released government research on the health of the American people brought the nation some troubling information -- our life expectancy, which many proudly assumed was steadily climbing, is actually declining in many parts of the country.
This was especially true for women, the reports revealed. Women in 180 counties across the country can expect to live 1.3 fewer years than their life expectancy as recently as 1999. That same 1.3-year drop occurred for men, too, but only in 11 counties. Most of the counties that saw the declines, as one would expect, are populated by poor people.
What troubled the researchers was the newness of this phenomenon. Americans in all walks of life have experienced longer life expectancies for the past several decades. From 1969 to 1999, for example, life expectancy for men increased steadily from 66.9 years to 74.1, and for women it rose from 73.5 years to 79.6.
Interestingly, while our life expectancies continued to climb, we were never higher than 11th best in the world. And now, we've dropped to an unremarkable 42nd.
According to numbers from the Census Bureau and the National Center for Health Statistics, a baby born in the U.S. (factoring in both boys and girls) will live an average of 77.9 years. A kid born in England can expect to live about a year longer. Meanwhile, the German baby's life expectancy is 79 while a Norwegian child can expect to live 79.7 years.
Our neighbors to the north, Canada, have a life expectancy of 80.3 years and the Australians, Swedes and Swiss are even better at 80.6. Japan beats them all with a life expectancy of 81.4 years.
U.S. medical officials have dozens of answers for all this, ranging from Americans' propensity to smoke to their lack of exercise while eating too much. But Germany, for one, isn't exactly noted for its puritanical lifestyle.
The real reason is one that the defenders of the U.S. health system, if it deserves to be called that, refuse to admit: We're letting too many Americans go without adequate health care.
A telling report came just last month from the Congressional Budget Office. In yet another report on life expectancy in the United States, the CBO stated:
"In 1980, life expectancy at birth was 2.8 years more for the highest socioeconomic group than for the lowest. By 2000, that gap had risen to 4.5 years."
And by all indications it has widened further in the eight years since.
The reality in America, where more than 47 million citizens are without health care coverage, is that the poor and now even a substantial number of middle-class folks don't get the health care they need when they need it. Americans ought to be ashamed, yet the country's leaders refuse to act because the entrenched special interests have been able to use their economic clout to resist a true national health insurance plan.
It's interesting that the Canadians, who are often derided by U.S. medical "experts" for their single-payer system, which "makes people wait" for certain procedures, can expect to live nearly three years longer than we U.S. citizens. And notice that the others who outlive us -- the Brits, the Germans, the Swedes and the Swiss -- make sure that everyone receives medical coverage.
There should no longer be a debate. Health coverage produces healthier citizens. It's time for the U.S. to stop tinkering around the edges, putting Band-Aids on a broken system, and face reality. We need -- no, we deserve -- a universal, single-payer health care system -- now.
Dave Zweifel is editor emeritus of The Capital Times.
© 2008 Capital Newspapers
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Show AllWe're all herbivores.
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Realizing the truth about anatomy will end all the nonsense and the reliance on 'doctors'.
Rely upon the dictates of your own nature-determined physiology and anatomy. Other animls have with great success!
Maybe the problem is pollution. Remember that report about what's in the water ?? We're probably all so doped up with flushed drugs, it's killing us.
>>The U.S. has the very best health care in the world but it is only for those who can afford the very best - maybe 20% - 30% of the population.
It very important to remember that the US system is very good for ANY person with money. In other words should a rich Saudi, Canadian, or Brit want they can use the US system . Americans defending their system as the best like to point to these examples as proof that it in fact the best.
All that means is overall costs to Americans are driven up in a for profit system. In order to maximize profits why not cater to the Worlds wealthy, charge much more and turn away those Americans who can not afford it?
If you cater to the 5 percent of wealthiest in the World you have a marketplace of some 300 million. Why not charge a rich guy from Saudi Arabia 1 million dollars for an operation rather then charge a middle class American 50,000 and fight with Insurance provides to get that money?
In short do not be blinded by what the system in America can do for the rich. That does not make it a health care system for Americans.
Well yes, thegreenchick May 19th, 2008 4:46 pm , I did look at the link you provided, and I take issue with it based on several observances. Primary, in causing me to be suspicious, was the paid ads on the top & side of the opening page for pharmaceuticals. Then there were the multiple references cited by the FDA, an agency in total disrepute under the current administration. Snopes might be a good site on some issues, but on this one they are highly suspect of compromising their integrity.
Thanks Megaronin, it's nice to see that we can still have conversations without the flaming that goes on in the black and white world, and that we can come to some reasonable point of agreement. That to me is heartening.
Vox- Sorry about your health, I hope you have a resolution soon.
In England the health care system is not perfect by any stretch, but at least everyone has free health care. Patients also have the option of seeing private specialists and primary care physicians, and physicians have a choice to work in either setting. I don't know if this is how Canada works, but in England, if you want to pay for what you believe is better health care you have the freedom to do so, instead of using the public health system.
While I do not use, nor do I advise use of, Splenda or any other artificial sweeteners, we should strive to keep our information truthful in these dialogs.
It is true that large pharmaceutical corporations are spending obnoxious amounts of money to flood our food chains with unnecessary chemicals and compounds, many appear in processed foods as well as in prescription drugs and ultimately in our water. This is not healthy and could be dangerous. However, speaking to the issue regarding the statement that "Splenda creates formaldehyde in the body." Please view the information at http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp -
Eating real food, locally and organically grown, in moderate amounts, with moderate exercise for 20 minutes at least 3 -4 times per week, is the beginning steps needed to be taken toward better health.
From a Swedish point of view. Economic inequality is a proven factor governing longevity. Even in Sweden the greater inequality caused by globalization has stopped the increase i life expectansy for women, which have have been continuous since 1900. And that in spite of universal single payer health insurance. In the USA inequality has reached the level of 1928. No wonder the stress caused by inequality causes shorter life expectancy.
Thanks, vox, and I'm truly sorry to hear about your family's health problems. Unfortunately, with numerous chemicals, additives, and radioactive factors that can change genetic structure I believe, regardless of what measures we take toward healthy lifestyles, these ailments will become more pervasive & widespread upon the global population.
America, by assuming a role as the world's one great 'superpower' (even if just temporarily) has an obligation, nay moral imperative, after vacuuming wealth from all corners of the globe, to lead in an ethical & just manner. To neglect its own citizens in the area of leadership on healthcare is not just unconscionable, but borders on criminal.
After going to your site, reading a bit, I value your input. How do we shake up Americans to the numerous serious issues we confront (healthcare a prime consideration), awaken our citizens to the need & proper course of action, and break up the corporate stranglehold placing us under their bootheels without regard?
scheiber6923 - Good post, and right on the money.
I'm reading a lot of comments about preventive maintenance and life style options as an alternative to a collective health care system. Like yourselves, I am surrounded by people who suggest to me that a regimen of vitamins and proper diet and exercise etc will be the solution to my health problems. That is true of my general health, but would not jump start my paralyzed diaphragm, nor would it have prevented my grandmother's arthritis from coming back to visit.
I'd suggest that we are talking about two different things here. Some conditions are inherited or occur, like broken bones or any other catastrophic event, regardless of whether we are fit or whether we maintain our bodies correctly. I also have less sympathy for people who abuse themselves with food or alcohol and then expect the health care system to bail them out. I don't think that applies to the millions of us who come down with degenerative nerve conditions, Parkinson's, MS, Myasthenia Gravis, Cancers, etc which afflict the healthy and unhealthy alike. To believe that weight control or herbal teas are going to keep Cancer away from your door is pure superstition.
The health care system adopted by most enlightened and compassionate societies is simply a collective safety net so that nobody is denied treatment for these things by reason of poverty or inability to buy treatment without depleting retirement savings, etc. It is a social contract that says we will take care of our own, and not let one another become dead or disabled if help is available. To say that the system can be abused is not enough argument against it. If you object on the grounds that healthy people like yourself end up paying the bill for unhealthy or destitute people, you are probably an average American, i.e. insufficiently evolved to form a society and join in the common weal. By that logic we would not have water systems or public schools or fire protection or much civilization at all. Universal health care works fine in other countries. It is not an entitlement, it is a good idea.
If you include the value of their homes all 9 members of SCOTUS are millionaires, and I believe most of Congress critters also. It's easy to stay healthy when you can afford the best care (even if it means flying out of the country for the best specialist), the healthiest foods (which are more expensive than the crap the serfs are forced to eat), stress reducing vacations, aren't working your ass off at multiple jobs just to make ends 'sort of' meet, and a remote green country mansion instead of being forced to live in heavily polluted cities.
Two thirds of Americans are overweight, yet ASPARTAME, which has been called by some researchers the number one cause of obesity is still in our food chain. It's also a neuro toxic poison that creates formaldehyde in the body after being consumed. WTF, and we wonder why everyone is ailing? Thank old Donald Rumsfield for getting it into our food chain, and unethical corporations making billions intentionally poisoning us for keeping it there. Sick puppies all.
Henry Kissinger stated long ago the world should be de-populated by 2 billion people. Is denial of good health care one means? P.J. O'Rourke stated years ago the world was not overpopulated, just that resources were inequitably distributed, class clown, genius, or dunce? I do think a redistribution of wealth is necessary, as is ZPG (Zero Population Growth). People should be able to afford to raise healthy kids, but should only have the number they can afford.
RE: Fat Lady has sung May 19th, 2008 7:11 am
Why not move from America? Hmmm, let's see...how about my family has been here almost 400 years within 200 miles of where I am now, this is MY country not theirs (meaning this corrupt administration), America 'love it or leave it'...screw that let THEM leave!, I'm not a fan of going to Canada because it's too damned cold there (I'm a southern American), to quote a famous patriot who robbed banks "Because that's where the money is", and this one might interest you...if all the patriotic Americans here who choose to fight rather than flee the fascists left how long do you think Canada & the rest of the world would survive? Huh?
Mega...
But why are the people running for President so afraid of talking about it? Has it got to a point in America your life maybe threatened if you try to put them out of business? Some topics that need fixing in America are never touched when 80% of Americans on some topics want change. My healthcare cost me about a large coffee and muffin ( not jelly ) a day and that gives me semi private room and TV and also covers my WHOLE family. My sons operation last year was 100% free. Some of the drugs he took after were 80% covered. America could have the same coverage
sheiber ,
Thank you for keeping me honest. My mother also has diebetes, and some of my family have suffered from diabetes. I am in full favor of health care such as Canada. I have long believed the system here to be very corrupt. A friend of mine knows a pharmacist who was told to keep prescribing drugs, after she reported they were doing the patients more harm than good.
I happen to believe that, as we are all creatures of nature, and everything we create, is derived from life anyhow, that we sabotage ourselves from the implementation of more natural approaches to cures, and a more natural attitude today a maintaining a daily health care.
Serious needs such as surgory require serious attention. I am saying yes there should be a universal health care, however yes there should also be a look at how the culture of fast food - and food additives - is encouraging obesity. If we can fund and support programs to keep kids off drugs in schools - and do quite well at getting people to quit smoking - we should be able to help people off overeating.
I also thank you for speaking of your son. I believe autistic children are often held to unrealistic expectations. Autistic people add something important to our lives. In native american cultures these were pepole revered, and thought to have special gifts. It is true they do in fact hve special gifts, we need to realize however that people, people are more important than "systems" the system should be tailored to what the people need not the other way around - this however does require leadership - it does require vision.
A Canadian view
Canadians look at life and people different. We feel people should have a basic human right to healthcare, should not be in pain and suffering. Now there are horror stories the US media and some neo Canadian media like to jump on but over all the system works. Americans feel we are looking down our nose at them or being smug. No we are not we don't understand how Americans have gotten themselves into this spot and with each elected President it is never fixed and even gets worse. Well maybe a little smug but if it buys you an extra 4 years of life ( after the latest report) it is worth it.
To Megaronin-
You said- "McCain ACTUALLY SAID SOMETHING I AGREED WITH - Health care isnt the solution to healthier americans"
HEALTH
–noun
The general condition of the body or mind with reference to soundness and vigor: good health; poor health.
Soundness of body or mind; freedom from disease or ailment
CARE
-noun
Caution in avoiding harm or danger: handled the crystal bowl with care.
Close attention; painstaking application: painting the window frames and sashes with care.
Upkeep; maintenance
Watchful oversight; charge or supervision
Attentive assistance or treatment to those in need: a hospital that provides emergency care.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/health
Taking care of one's health is the ONLY solution, and it must be comprehensive.
You also said- "AS MCCAIN SAID ITS UP TO PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES"
So my daughter was born with autism and a seizure disorder because she didn't take care of herself ? Regardless of whether I took care of myself or not (which I did) does she deserve NOT to be cared for ?
And you said "I dont have health care - guess what - i dont care and im not sitting on my butt waiting for the next president to hand me my health"
Good for you, you are lucky. Lucky you didn't get ALS like my B-I-L, have Type 1 diabetes like my husband, have Leukemia like my Mother, or have an anuerysm the size of an orange (like me) and need open heart surgery.
You also said- "health care should be reserved for those in serious need"
Who is going to define "serious need" ? I was completely asymptomatic, it was a fluke that my anuerysm was found. Acoording to my heart surgeon given the fragile condition of my aortic tissue, I had about 2 weeks to live.
Then you said- "YOU MAKE YOUR OWN HEALTH BY CHOICES YOU MAKE"
Sorry, in this chemically altered, polluted world you are incorrect. The sickest people I know all suffer or have died from diseases they had no control over
Then you concluded with- "We need to start talking about ideas."
This I can agree with you on. Here's an idea- let's take care of people to the best of our ability, without judging who is "worthy" or not. Obviously the Canadians, and many other industrialized nations are doing something right. Why would we embrace anything less ?
MEGA......
OK a better life style is good but even healthy people get sick of may need an operation. Your life is a road to death is so general you almost sound like Dr Phil. McCain is ducking the problem by saying a healthy life sytle is the answer but not everyone is born healthy and needs help.
Go ahead vote McCain and maybe he will send you a discount on a pair of runners. While you are out better put on a mask since the air you are sucking in is a little on the toxic side today. Or us the runners to show up at the recruiting office and report for war, hay that will shorten your life real fast even if you are healthy.
USA have the best healthcare on TV SHOWS and that's it.
Greys and House are 2 of the biggest BS shows in the world when it comes to American hospitals. Time for Americans to watch SICKO one more time.
Bob bea...
Yes the Canadian socialist system works just fine. Glad to be a part of it. That is what the US needs is more than a 2 party system that you can't tall apart. Plus restrict the amount of money can be given by business of a person to each party or member like Canada has. Just a little harder to buy off people.
Canadian and U.S. societies really are not that much different in lifestyles etc. so the question MUST be asked, why are Canadians living longer? Another important question to ask is why does America have about the worst infant motality rate of the Western industrialised nations? Why are American health care administration costs 3x that of Canada's, why are overall healthcare costs almost double those of Canada's as a percentage of GDP? Why are prescription drugs 2 to 3 times more expensive in the U.S. than anywhere else? Why are health care costs at or near the top of the list for personal bankruptcies in the U.S. but are not in the rest of the Western world?
The U.S. has the very best health care in the world but it is only for those who can afford the very best - maybe 20% - 30% of the population.
These are the questions I'm asking if I am an American citizen. It really is time to shed the quaint notion that "socialised" health care is a "commie" plot.
Funny that ever since Bush has been in power the life span of American has dropped. Working 2 or 3 jobs to keep your house. No health coverage.
Mr d
You can't have a survey and take parts out and have it correct. You also missed the point of child death rates are higher in the USA, are these new born children dying because they are overweight?
You maybe is great shape and work out but not all people do or can. America is dying because of a failed system simple as that right from birth.
Mr.d
Yes a better life style is always a plus but it is the the health problems people get just in normal life that is the problem. BUT needing to feel you are FORCED to go out for a walk 3 or 4 times a week, and eat like a rabbit BECAUSE THERE IS NO HEALTH COVERAGE isn't right as well. The older I am getting I an eating more healthy now than I was 10 years ago.
Doctors in Canada will not operate on you if it is a health risk because of weight
Yes, the US health system is a disaster. But I believe that the main reason for declining life expectancy is the incredible number of overweight, obese as well as really fucking disgustingly fat people we see all over the place. They have already given up all hope of even a remote chance of having a life. All thats left for them is a "super size" coffin. And we wonder about life expectancy? Scratch the very fat people from the equation and life expectancy goes way up.
I have to ask you Americans on this web site. Your country is in a nose dive that will end in hitting the ground hard.
WHY NOT MOVE OUT OF AMERICA???
If you have some dead end job with no pension or health coverage why not look into moving to Canada?
Canada has all the things the US has but it has a healthcare system. Plus there are jobs in Canada that pay well. When I travel the world I have found that the silly red Maple Leaf on my back pack opens far more doors than the Stars & Bars ever will.
My son would be dead right now and probably myself if it wasn't for the Canadian health care system. I had lung troubles that are now 100% OK and my son needed an emergency operation that I know I wouldn't have the money for.
American politicians can knock the Canadian system all they want but until you get that feeling of walking into a hospital and you only need some ID and a plastic health card then they don't know what the hell they are talking about. The feeling of not needing a red cent in your pocket all the time you are there is a great feeling and not getting a bill when you get home in the mail.
IN RESPONSE - I AM NOT TROUBLED BY STATISTICS - no one can hand you your life or death - once you're alive its a one way street to death and it comes in any form at ANY TIME - health care has nothing to do with it - YOU MAKE YOUR OWN HEALTH BY CHOICES YOU MAKE - the first step is stop watching tv... second... go to a room by yourself and let yourself go- cry, whatever - YES IM TALKING ABOUT THE 12 step program -
We need to start talking about ideas. IDEAS.
Published on Sunday, May 18, 2008 by The Capital Times (Madison, Wisconsin)
Drop in Life Expectancy Shows Health Care Failure
by Dave Zweifel
Recently released government research on the health of the American people brought the nation some troubling information — our life expectancy, which many proudly assumed was steadily climbing, is actually declining in many parts of the country.
This was especially true for women, the reports revealed. Women in 180 counties across the country can expect to live 1.3 fewer years than their life expectancy as recently as 1999.
McCain ACTUALLY SAID SOMETHING I AGREED WITH - Health care isnt the solution to healthier americans - its called preventative maintenance - IE EXERCISE AND DIET -
we need to explode the information out there about the Food Pyramid - why its not an accurate teaching tool - we need to explode out there and identify the foods that cause disease and include artificial chemicals. AS MCCAIN SAID ITS UP TO PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES _ I dont have health care - guess what - i dont care and im not sitting on my butt waiting for the next president to hand me my health! health care should be reserved for those in serious need - and those REPEAT OFFENDERS _ IE the junk food addicts - well - the laws of nature will have the final say with them.
Siouxrose - Thanks for the good thoughts and advice. The stenosis condition xntrk describes is correct, and is what I've got in the cervical region where the nerve roots to the upper extremities and the diaphragm originate. Although there is plenty of online info about it, you will not get a neurosurgeon to admit that the phrenic nerve can get pinched and cause respiratory paralysis. This is because the surgical intervention is complicated and expensive - so they simply diagnose it as something else. Like ascott, I have an impossible malady. After six months when the nerve damage is irreversible and the muscle tissue served has atrophied, the issue becomes moot.
A note about chiropractors. Not to dismiss them, but a major cause of phrenic nerve damage, right after heart surgeons, is chiropractic manipulation in the cervical area. Physical therapy should only be done by people who know exactly what they are doing when there is cervical damage like disk degeneration or lateral stenosis. Osteophytes form on the edges of the vertebrae like sharks' teeth, and the nerves come out between them. Generalized "alignment" procedures can cause damage when that is the case. Acupuncture apparently is effective for pain control (fortunately I don't have any pain from this yet) and is covered by some insurance plans. I have friends who do this kind of work, and will hit on them rather than my pill pusher when the time comes.
I support single-payer government-run health care. I think that allowing for-profit businesses (health insurance, HMO's, and big pharma)to determine the rationing of health care is unconscionable and crazy. I also believe that much more funding should be devoted to alternative medical modalities of treatment and preventive health care.
All of that being said, there are still a lot of reasons to explain the decline in US health other than just mis-allocation of monies for that purpose.
Heart disease is primarily caused by poor diet and lack of proper exercise. Cancer is primarily a disease of environmental pollution. Whether polluting your lungs with cigarette smoke or eating processed food loaded with nitrites and nitrates (to name just two such examples) which are carcinogenic chemicals (lunch meats, hot dogs, and sausage are some examples of such "foods") Americans are unintentionally killing themselves by what they eat.
Below is a list of things everybody can begin to implement to improve their health.
1. Devote 30-45 minutes a day to vigorous exercise. walking, running, biking, aerobics, calesthetics, yard or house work--c'est ci bon! (it's all good)
2. Cook or prepare your food from scratch. Avoid prepared foods such as those meals that are popped into a microwave or emptied into a skillet.
3. Stop watching commercial TV or listening to commercial radio. These institutions are filled with very cunningly crafted messages whose sole purpose is to get you to buy what you do not need or more tnan what you need.
4. Use the money you will save to shop organic or patronize local farmer's markets.
5. Stop eating all meat, fish, or fowl. (Say "Amen" Kernal!) Meat besides being a repository of all manner of pollution is also one of the most wasteful ways to produce food for human consumption.
With all the acres wasted on grazing or growing provender for herds of animals raised to be killed to eat, much more food for human consumption could be grown to feed the hungry of the world.
6. Avoid all dairy products because cow's milk from which they are derived is an allergin to so many that it is a good bet that some of your sinus and other aches and pains are the result of consuming such stuff.
7. Avoid eggs (including especially mayonaise!) because chickens are some of the most cruelly treated and polluted animals raised for human consumption.
8. Stop consuming any products that contain any artificial sweetners (Acai nectar, stevia, raw honey, and un-refined sugar can provide you with all the sweetness you need)
Also, avoid consuming all high fructose corn sweetners.
This last one will shock you once you start reading the labels of what is contained in the food you buy!--carry a magnifying glass if you need to, it is well worth the time, effort, and cost.
If you cannot do all of the above, do as much of it as you can and your body will maintain its health longer.
The US also spends almost twice the amount in it's GDP per capita compared to countries like Germany, Canada and England with no better results. The health insurance companies are parasites that deny care whenever possible to pad their profit. US deathcare apologists talk about our system being better than single payer without thinking of the equal or better health outcomes in countries who have single payer at half the per capita GDP. The WHO health statistics bear this out.
Doom and Gloom: A patient after my own mind. I am considered the 'patient from Hell' by the Kaiser people here - and they haven't stuck me in the hospital yet!
Siouxrose Stenosis and the accompaning arthritis are caused by a narrowing of the disc space because of worn out cushions [Degenerative Disc Disease]. It often causes misalignment, and pinches nerves, [some S.O.B. is drilling into my brain as I write...] re-alignment helps only briefly in my experience, and massage only relaxes the muscles, doesn't really get to the problem. Acupuncture helps with the pain, but is not covered by my insurance. Surgery can sometimes help, but with the neck they are talking fusion, and that is not appealing...
And to the multitude who are saying the only fix for Universal Health Care is a slow conversion, forget it! Both Canada and Britain instituted universal coverage by edict. The doctors could either work direct for the government, or emigrate. The hospitals were bought out.
An attempt to do this slowly would be like having a tooth pulled a millimeter at a time over six months. All you would do is enable the vested interests to dig in and fight harder, as they have with the Clean Air Act, and mileage requirements on new cars, etc.
Universal Health Care will take a war, and we have to be prepared to fight the necessary battles, not go hat in hand to the oligarchy and say 'Please Sirs, would you consider...'
Gird your loins, pick up your cudgels and get busy! Unions win concessions with strikes - That is a war between labor and management and often cost the general public. Don't expect to win this battle with half measures.
That's what Medicare is, a half measure. As was said up above, it covers less all the time and many doctors refuse to accept Medicare at all, and it's their choice!
The Prof: Not mentioned in the article is that most studies show a third of US medical costs end up financing red tape and profits and produce no medical benefit
It appears that 1/3 of US medical costs are wasted by the insurers, with another 1/6 wasted by the other elements in the system, for a total of 1/2, given that the Canadian system delivers twice the value as the US system.
Now let's look at Cuba, wich spends something like 1/20 the money for roughly the same performance as US healthcare. This would indicate that 19/20 or 95% of US medical costs are wasted.
A significant amount of the waste is labor. A reasonable guess is that relative to Cuba the US employs six times the labor and Canada employs three times the labor for the same medical care.
So in Cuba it takes a doctor to set a broken arm, while in Canada it takes a doctor and two accountants, and in the US it takes a doctor, two accontants, a lawyer, a manager and a "CEO".
The Pentagon is thrilled to have six times the war taxes paid to fix that broken arm. And the Pentagon has plenty of company - the bankers, the various beneficiaries like Israel, the concrete infrastructure builders, and don't forget the NGOs. Everyone needs the economic activity in a general sense, everyone needs those six working feverishly to fix that broken arm.
It's insanity to the sixth power - the whole economy is a megaracket and it's all thanks to Friedmanite "laissez-faire" capitalism. Terminate "laissez-faire" and common sense returns to all sectors of the society.
By 2000, that gap had risen to 4.5 years." And by all indications it has widened further in the eight years since.
Pour the coal to that economy! Pour the coal!! We don't have the economic growth to properly raise our life expectancy! Get rid of those environmental regulations, and pour the coal to that economy!!
Rattlesnake petting may be less risky than going into a hospital today. I am generally recognized as an uncooperative patient because I request that medical people wash their hands when entering the room. I also demand that they not bother me with tests, blood, or medicine between midnight and six in the morning. Of course they always try but never win. The Doctor then scolds me as if I care. He learns quick too. They are under the assumption that they have the right to impose their will on patients. No thanks. I look at it as if I'm a guest in their hotel and I expect to be treated like it. Also I usually do not eat unless they give me the Doctors Menu. I just won't eat. They usually give in after a day or two. On occasion they have threatened to release me, just a tantrum that passes quickly. Another think I do is to scratch and initial the surgery permission. They get real upset when I refuse to allow the part where I give up my right to legal action. Finally I tell them that if they don't hurt me I won't hurt them.
Being without HC in your 30's and 40's probably probably does not impact life expectancy figures much. What is happening is that many baby boomers are entering their 50's and early 60's, and the age of those uninsured is increasing. These are ages when HC issues can crop up and when being out of work and uninsured becomes more common for those in the private sector, or when health care problems cause them to be out of work, and thus lose insurance. Even the insured find that costs can be unaffordable in these days of declining real incomes. I suspect if you look at the data in the 50-64 age group, you will find an increase in death rates. This group is of course too young for medicare, which does not kick in to 65. Those who survive to 65, will of course be eligible for social security.
Can you see what the low COLA's due to the lie that is CPI, and an unwillingness to make HC coverage available to all w/o punitive financial consequences have in common?. Both reduce SS and medicare payments.
This government does not serve the people. This government does not fulfill it's constitutional mandate to look after the general welfare of the people, despite taking an oath to do so. This government does serve it's psycopathic neo-malthusian globalization elite masters, and has turned a Democracy into a Pathocracy. Some might say this government defines treason. I would not disagree.
Their motto seems to be: "The only good American is a dead one". The GWOT is a war on you. You are the terrorist to them. In GITMO, the terrorists get free HC.
Some ask, but where will the money come from?. A government that can issue bonds to the Fed, that is purchased with money they create out of thin air, and a system that can create money out of thin air to bail out JP Morgan and Bear Stearns, can also issue it's own money debt free to pay for health care.
ARyan
Where do you live?!
The people in charge of my health care equivalent to those at the DMV? If you're talking about the people that do the paperwork for the insurance companies, it would be a step up: the folks at the DMV want people to go on to get what you came for, as getting/renewing your license is the way the DMV continues to exist. Some of them may be uninterested or downright incompetent, but they do not make it their mission to exclude you. The folks at your insurance company do have the mission to exclude you: the way insurance companies continue to *be profitable* is to keep people from getting treatment. (Strangely, they seem to be about as inept at preventing unnecessary procedures as they are likely to disallow necessary ones.)
If you're talking about doctors, parity with the competence and helpfulness of the average federal worker - would be a huge step up. Doctors are among the most incompetent and ignorant (and overpaid) of 'professionals.'
And, hey, the larking about, surliness, and/or indifference of some of the folks at the DMV could raise your blood pressure - (if you let them) - but they can't cost you your life.
The selection of medical students is ludicrous. And the number of 'legacies' ought to alarm anyone.
Training includes enforcing already overblown self-images, as well as utter contempt for patients.
A competent diagnostician is worth his/her weight in gold. Why do you suppose that is?
Particularly striking is the inverse relationship between competence and arrogance. (Generally, very little competence, but endless arrogance.) The best doctor I ever had - in fact, the only truly competent one - was never a victim of ego. He fled to another country to practice medicine as it ought to be practiced: with emphasis on treating patients and de-emphasis on accumulating wealth.
Worse than the clods that never admit an error are the quacks that want to perform unnecessary procedures - but only on the insured, of course. (The uninsured would be lucky to make it past reception.)
I have had doctors insist that the history of my problem's development could not be accurate. Not that they never heard of it, not that it was probably very rare, but that it was impossible. (Imagine my consternation the first time I learned that I had achieved the 'impossible.') I've had others give diagnoses that didn't fit the symptoms - and become outraged when I queried them on those points.
It is common to hear of laymen making (often simple) diagnoses that had eluded doctors. I've done so, for myself and for others; and some have done so for me.
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If your doctor acts as though he has every medical fact, however obscure, at his fingertips: run!
If his explanation/diagnosis contradicts the facts as you know them to be (and have conveyed them to him): run faster!
CHEZGEBAUDE: You raise a fair and important point: due to the compromised state of our water (a dumping ground for all kinds of drugs and industrial exhausts), and soil (denatured, chemically treated), and air (ugh!!!!)... citizens now have become a veritable Guinea Pig population exposed to "better living through chemistry" and the split of the "peaceful atom." Mother nature NEVER had to contend with this array of chemical cocktails ever before, so it's little wonder that so many are succumbing to cancer. It's plausible we all harbor it now, but as some in the holistic health community theorize, those most stressed or with compromised immune systems (due to a number of various causes) are demonstrating the symptoms first and foremost. I expect KEM to soon remind us that we are also going to be the benefactors of small particles of D.U... the karmic blowback from our military and its dark marriage to the nuclear power plant industry. Recycling the thing that Creator saw fit to bury deeply into the desert sands.
Aryan: under your own value system, if I am a person who drives a truck delivering soda pop, potato chips, and sugar-laden baked goods to stores, who then sell these widely-consumed foods to the general public, I am CONTRIBUTING TO SOCIETY because I have a job, and I am not on welfare. The store owners who sell these foods are also considered to be "contributing to society" because they are making a profit. Furthermore, there are those of us who try very diligently to care for our own health, who exercise vigorously daily, who eat healthy foods,who do not smoke, and are frugal in our living arrangements, and then come down with cancer from environmental pollution, only to have the so-called medical system under-treat it. This really happens.
One more point. It's now full moon in Scorpio, the sign of poisons (scorpion wields it), as well as death and possible resurrection/rebirth. The calamities this past week in China (quake and the many lives suddenly taken), and the cyclone in Burma (MANY lives taken), add to a personal toll in that my BEST friend's mother went to the hospital with STOMACH pains. Naturally the doctors ran tests pertinent to her stomach, i.e. where the pain was coming from. She died suddenly of a blood clot. My friend is beside herself. People want to blame the hospital, but as this same friend told me as she recently underwent a battery of tests, "They're just like us. They don't know." Medicine should be called "the practice" because all the expensive tests are the diagnostic equivalent too often of pissing in the wind. My cousin Steve thought he had lime disease and was treated for that for many years, when it turned out to be something else. That is OFTEN the case... so the for-profit debacle in this country, while inordinately cruel and painful for many also prompts us to become better caretakers of our own body temples. I don't have much respect for people who get NO exercise and become very overweight, or smoke, or use too much of any toxic substance... it is after all the body TEMPLE and the one given to last multiple decades. Self-discipline is a wonderful thing, and often goes along with other forms of self-mastery. "S/he who conquers himself is greater than s/he who conquers a city." That should be a presidential mantra in these days of militaristic gung ho chants that are supposed so simulate a sound basis for leadership!
VOXCLAMANTIS: I am sorry to hear of your health challenge as you are a person of generous spirits as shown in what you bring to this forum. I have no formal studies of medicine, but I have read the works of several unorthodox healers. One made it clear that conditions that over time diminish the function of key organ systems stems from mis-alignments in the spine. Is it possible to see a good chiropractor? Massage, dietary change, chiropractic, eliminating excess white flour, sugar, caffeine and alcohol from the diet all assist the body in finding ways to heal itself. That is my suggestion in case it's worth applying in your case. I have personally seen MANY types of conditions, even a brain tumor (not mine), disappear using the above suggestions. I had ovary problems, breast lumps and headaches and have overcome all of these. The only thing I haven't mastered is dental (through these techniques) I think in part due to a genetic weakness, and second to the POOR dentistry I had as a child... all those lead fillings. I remember sitting one Thanksgiving with a guy a few years older than me (his parents were friends of my parents) and HIS mother mentioned all the cavities he had as a child, and how they were filled. Then I realized that same thing happened to me and my sister. It was the FASHION to take a pinprick of a hole and turn it into a lethally filled equivalent moon crater.
50% of women over 50 are prescribed hysterectomies. In my era it was tonsilectomies. Medicine is always trying to remake the human body and considers any NATURAL condition a barrier to that goal. Thus a whole orchestrated vocabulary of so-called dis-ease states is virtually invented. How 'bout them TV ads? "Restless leg syndrome." Get the fuck up and take a walk! How 'bout the one for eyes that don't tear? I could see a big burly guy in the background looking real sadistic, and the scene is set like a comic punchline. "You could try THIS medication or Earl, here, guaranteed to MAKE you cry real tears!" The list goes on...
By the way, Vox, I think you'd appreciate something else I noted here... that the no doubt high paid firms used by big pharma to promote products come up with all these groovy names. Quite a few sound like Greek states of Satori...
Allegra, Elantra, Lunestra, Viagra, etc...
ARyan - When I was a $35/hour graphic designer I did not charge for consultations. I sat with customers for an hour or more, making sure I understood their needs and their budgets. Nothing was at stake but an expensive printing job. When I went to work I gave them my full attention for as long as it took. I saw to it that the job was done right and was delivered on time. I did this out of professionalism.
I've been seeing "specialists" who, at a rate of closer to $400 for a short hour, do not have time to hear about my symptoms or my history, who disregard prior diagnostics and imaging film, who make up bogus facts as they go along and forget about me the second I leave their office. My doctor wears Gucci shoes and drives a Lexus and lives in a gated golf course community. I can go online for fifteen minutes and learn more than he knows about my condition. I am vastly more familiar with my medical history and my treatment options than he is. I care more. As it is, I drag his listless ass behind me like a bag of rocks. Are you suggesting that if I paid him even more money he would perk up and become motivated to do better? Maybe if he were driving a Mercedes he would start practicing medicine? Maybe if I brought him more cash?
Our system is not imperfect. It is crippled. It is a wreck, and on the verge of being a total wreck. We passed the point of mediocrity years ago. Other countries have socialized medicine of one kind or another, and far better medical care. Of course American doctors will lack motivation if they are no longer allowed to live like kings. They need to become merchants or stockbrokers or something, and let people with professional ethics handle our doctoring.
A subject that seems to be taboo is the impact that our welfare "reform" policies have had. Those who fall into poverty are much more likely now to lose everything and remain in poverty. Malnurtrition (not the same as starvation) has increased significantly over the past decade, since affordable food tends to consist of carbohydrates and fats. Being poor today inevitably causes severe stress; we, as a society, take a hating, punitive approach to the poor. Add in inferior housing, when people have housing at all. These three factors have a devastating impact on health (especially for the very young), yet if they have any access to health care, they get the "budget brand"; no preventative medicine/health care, and the rest is similar to triage in a war zone (patch 'em up and move 'em out).
There's a spider's web of consequences to these "reform" policies, such as the impact on all workers of the sudden influx of millions of workfare workers who can be paid bottom wages indefinitely, and have no workers' rights and protections, and who have consistently been used to replace strikers and laid-off workers.
Everything that benefits the people has been cut back or cut out of the budget. Our resources today go into war and perpetuating corporate power.
lilulu:
"I went to see a doctor who spent 5 minutes with me, charged me $180 for the visit, and told me to go see an ENT doctor. By the time they gave me an appointment with the specialist, the problem had resolved. There's no doubt they're overpaid."
Overpaid? I think not, they are overused by people who don't need to go to the doctor for minor ailments like whatever you had that resolved itself.
The BEST hope you have on all this in 2008 is a team-up of Obama/Clinton/Edwards(AG) so they can first of all win an election against the medical and insurance corporations who want McCain.
AFTER that is done and a liberal administration is in office, then WE, THE PEOPLE, can demand single-payer and be heard. Bernice, above, is probably right about the 70% of us who want it. But in a McCain administration, you will talk only to a wall.
Elect first. Demand second. There is no other order.
And if somebody follows up with some more nonsense about McKinney and Nader, please explain to them that those two won't be around for your next illness or premium increase. They do not exist in government, only in seasonal rhetoric.
Either McCain or Obama or maybe Obama/Clinton will exist there. Get real and vote the economic interest of your kids before health care takes MOST of us to third-world status personally.
RE: KCUSICK May 18th, 2008 6:34 pm
Thank you so much for mentioning the necessity of dental care. It is essential for good health to be able to chew the foods that will make & keep you healthy. I imagine with good quality dental coverage the average lifespan in this country would reverse the trend pointed out in this article, and rise substantially. If anyone knows of studies to verify my assumption by all means please post them. Thanks
RE: ARyan May 18th, 2008 6:22 pm
"Americans, as a whole,...somehow feel that they need everything today creating a stress level beyond that in the countries you list."
ARyan, while we all understand Americans lead a pretty self-indulgent lifestyle you should also understand a major contributor to the 'stress' of which you speak is worry over how to afford the astronomically rising health care costs, private insurance premiums, and the persistant threat of bankruptcy if anyone in their family becomes seriously ill.
The current system is a travesty of injustice toward the working people of this country, facing declining real wages accompanied with rising costs for everything. It's a regressive system designed intentionally only for the benefit of the well-to-do, private insurers, banks, Big Pharma, Wall Street entities, politicians with kick-backs from lobbys, and medical care administrators. The working poor are just fodder for the machine, only necessary as consumers.
When the extant paradigm is to be asked, "How are you going to pay your bill?" before even being asked, "Where do you hurt?", this is a good indication the whole system needs major revision. Anyone who claims otherwise is either very well off or in a deadly denial.
Crappola.
formernadervoter How would you like to pay for a healthcare system for 57+ years only to find it's not a complete coverage, That's Medicare: for full coverage Seniors need to buy additional comprehensive coverage (gotta keep the profit rollin in for the Insurance/BigPharm industries); and then there is the Vison Industry, no coverage for vision care (know anybody over 50 who doesnt wear glasses?). And, last but definitely not least there's Dental Care, (know anybody that doesn't need dental care); check out their soaring prices). Medicare is not a Healthcare package you would pay good money for for 50 odd years only to find when you need it it doesnt cover what you need.
But should we be surprised? No! - its the American way - greed, greed and more greed for our regressive corporations.
We currently provide free health care in a multitude of fashions for the poor in the United States. My personal experience includes having to take children to their homes and beg their parents to sign releases for us to treat them in the centers at the Boys and Girls Clubs where we set up medical and dental services. Many times they refused to allow us to treat their children.
Americans, as a whole, are predominately overwieght, lack exercise, live on fast food filled with grease and somehow feel that they need everything today creating a stress level beyond that in the countries you list. I believe that if lifestyle was addressed you would change the life expectancy, NOT expecting a broken governmental system to provide health care.
The single payer system in American would lower the quality of healthcare throughout the world where there is no benefit for the medical community to develop treatments because they are only paid a flat fee for service with no incentive to be better. Do you want the person handling your life to be of the same quality as the government employee you deal with at the DMV or IRS. They are paid the same no matter the quality of their work. (We saw the quality of health care when this was the way it was handled -- we called it HMO)
Although our system is not perfect, socialized medicine provides only mediocre care. Mediocre is NOT what I want for myself or my family! Let's look for alternate solutions!
Considering the entrenched players it seems to me that the path of least resistance is to move toward Medicare for all and then progressively cut out the for profit insurers (by having the government insure for less) and rescind the crazy laws that prohibit negotiating bulk prices for drugs.
That way you might get a single payer system without the need to "socialize" medicine like us Canadians.
Not mentioned in the article is that most studies show a third of US medical costs end up financing red tape and profits and produce no medical benefit.
Health insurance is not the problem, obesity (ie sick fat pigs) is the problem.
Bernice May 18th, 2008 1:29 pm -- 'It's time for politicians to forget the "it's not politically possible right now" and realize that almost 70% of Americans say IT IS AND WE WANT IT.'
The error lies in the assumption that there is some relationship between what most people want and what is 'politically possible'. That might be true in a real democracy, but it has nothing whatever to do with those judicially created 'corporate persons' in whom the true sovereignty of the U.S. so-called 'republic' resides.
One more sign that the US is on a descent to third-world status. This is shameful and utterly intolerable.
And illulu, members of congress' health insurance is NOT free, it is VERY important to understand this when politicians propose these schemes to give the uninsured "the same plans we have".
The congressional insurance plan is the same system federal workers like me are under. The employee picks from a list of insurance plans during an "open season" every year. I pay $315 a month as my employee share - about average for a good plan. Thanks to their strong union, postal workers get the best deals; the same plan costs them just $170 a month.
Of course, if I lose my job, that $315 a month becomes about $1200 a month.
So when Obama or Hillary say they are going to give uninsured USAns the same plan they have, this is what they mean.
Settle for nothing less than universal, free, single payer administered health care for all!
Well that's one way to save on Social Security and Medicare. We-The-People get to pay taxes all our working lives and then drop dead. Sounds like the same old 'life after death' snake oil we have always been served.
voxclamantis, sorry to hear of your problem and hope it improves. You're right. I had a problem with my nose (previously broken years ago in an accident). I went to see a doctor who spent 5 minutes with me, charged me $180 for the visit, and told me to go see an ENT doctor. By the time they gave me an appointment with the specialist, the problem had resolved. There's no doubt they're overpaid.
You're perfectly correct, Bernice: health care should not be something that's sold on the open market.
The problem with implementing single-payer medicare for all is the same problem we have with finding a viable alternative for oil to power vehicles and heat homes, and that is the vast array of corporations that are ranged against both. The only way that either is going to become a reality is if it's done gradually. But both have to be started sometime, so I hope Obama takes what you wrote seriously, and at least thinks about it.
Health insurance is only part of the problem. Doctors in this country no longer practice medicine. If we think providing everybody with heath insurance means providing everybody with access to health care, think again. I recently developed arthritic stenosis in my neck, which is impinging nerve roots and causing paralysis here and there, including the complete immobilization of my left diaphragm. While this respiratory shutdown has persisted (and therefore become permanent) I have been referred to a half dozen pulmonologists and neurosurgeons, each of whom gives you 15 minutes of routine consultation, concludes that it is outside their specialty and sends you back to the other guys. I have Medicare, which has shelled out thousands of dollars in the past six months for CT scans and MRIs and finally this appalling nothingburger of so called specialists who are unwilling to provide either diagnostics or treatment. My father was a country doctor, and would never have dreamed of ignoring a patient's pathology. The professional mandate to provide medical care has vanished from the ethics of these overpaid drones, and they should be taken to the trash along with their BMWs and their HMOs and the whole broken, bureaucratic mess.
We have the worst health care system in the industrialized world, John McCain's chauvinistically uninformed opinion notwithstanding. We need to shed our misguided faith in our own competence, and copy the health care system of somebody else. Anybody's would be better, the Canadians, the French, the Taiwanese. American arrogance is a disease that is literally killing us.
I have written Obama about the fact that the Massachusetts plan (and those similar to it, like his and Hillary's) will NOT succeed because they do not address our basic error as a society -- health care ain't a widget to be bought and sold at a profit. I asked him to sit down for a long talk with John Conyers and/or Dennis Kucinich so he could learn about the single-player option and Conyers' wonderful bill, HR 676.
It's time for politicians to forget the "it's not politically possible right now" and realize that almost 70% of Americans say IT IS AND WE WANT IT.
What do our leaders in Congress care? They get free health coverage paid for by us taxpayers. As far as they're concerned, there's no problem.
But with Barack Obama or John McCain all we will get is more of the same.
Both want HMOs to continue to run health care and that is the problem.
Mainstream media is busy spinning the frame that there will be a real choice between McCain or Obama. There won't be. Neither gets it: private insurance is the problem. Only moving to a single payer like Canada has or Medicare for all solves the problem.
If you want that, Nader or McKinney are your options.