Wow, first comment!

Anyway, Bush is wrong about everything, and probably the worst president our country has every had, but....

It's good to see he has his head on straight when it comes to israel. Why should he mark the "Catastrophe", given that what they mean is their failure to genocide the jews of the region in 1948. That's not something an american president should consider to be a catastrophe.

Its disgusting to me that the arab side continues to use such imagry as the "we shall overcome" banner. Overcome what? The fact that you are an elected official?

People can easily tell I'm a Jew by my name. And then once in a while, and inevitably, I hear something like this: You must be smart because I never knew a dumb Jew.

Well, amigos, here we have a whole nation of mostly Jews hosting one of the most pernicious, most STUPID, most vile, most murderous, most evil leaders in all of human history - an evangelical religious fanatic who hates the living guts of every Jew on this planet, who hopes they all die and their land subsequently occupied by John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Rod Parsley and their limitless flock of sheep.

So how fucking smart is that?

I'll point out that the people of the middle east are not the ones who attempted to murder all the Jews in the world; Europeans did that. I'll ask if the Isreali's paid the people they displaced from their homes, or did they evict the homeowners with bayonettes fixed? I wonder why people believe that a fundy presnut is the greatest friend of Isreal when the fundy's seem to like the idea of Jesus returning to wipe out all the unbelievers (that would include the Jewish people along with the Muslims as well as any sect the fundy doesn't think 'truly Christian') in a war known to them as the war of Armeggedon.

Skippy, they didn't evict anything, the palestinians left due to arab propaganda telling them they would get everything the jews owned after the war. Sorry it didn't work out that way, guys, but unfortunetly I don't consider this to be a catastrophe.

You are not jewish mordichi.

Please understand that not all Christians are radical evangelical warmongers like Bush. Bush has violated all of the fundamental principles of his own church. He is a disgrace to Americans and we can't wait to be rid of him.

Yes, I am, Mr or Ms Jewbacca. My grandparents came from the shtetl of Kremenchug in the Ukraine. And please spell my first name correctly. It's M-o-r-d-e-c-h-a-i.

Let's keep in mind we all - Jews, Christian, Muslims - trace our roots to Abraham.

Lets keep in mind that Jews are only more special, because they say they are. We all bleed . And second Israel is inflecting collective punishment on the Gaza Strip, something the Nazi's were pretty good at. Israel first as an American policy, has only gotten the middle east into a progressively worse mess, that millions have died over! I want a President who puts America First!

Dont you mean Adam and Eve?

Bush goes to israel because he knows that its the only place with people stupid enough to think he is great.

The Chosen People, yeah..I guess that's why they didnt decide to attack Lebanon like they planned(with Bush coming in as a brave leader). Turns out that the Chosen People got afraid that the One True God might not spare them from the 600 missiles Hezbollah was going to launch in retaliation. Israel and the US got cold feet.

I think Bush will be hailed one day among arabs as the leader that led to a revolution in Arab countries--the opposite of what Bush intended.

Anyway, the Democrats are to blame for giving Bush a pass. They should have known he would go to any length to make himself look good.
Idiots.

dmia, I wish we could get back to a common understanding of our religions, but its not going to happen in the present climate. Let's not forget its the muslims who have decided to hate jews over this issue, not the other way around.

kelmer, I'm missing something, what planned attack?

Yawn......anyone who proclaims themselves to be "God's Chosen People" have immediately lost my attention. It's a statement of that they use to commit genocide on Palestinians and to steal their land and reveals their belief that they are superior to everyone else.

If Muslims, Christians, and Jews are all related through roots to Abraham, and these are people who are committing war crimes and killing defenseless people, it doesn't say much for them, does it.

I'll stick to studying Buddhism and hopefully, if I can overcome my Christian upbringing, officially become one of the peaceful, nonviolent Buddhists.

I hate to admit it but I have to agree with Jewbacca on this one. There is no Palestinian catastrophe and the arabs just need to quit whining.

Using Jewbacca's reasoning I have also come to the conclusion that the Holocaust was not a catastrophe either. On one hand you had Germans who only wanted a homeland for "good germans" and as Israels 60th anniversary has shown creating a pure homeland is pretty tough. Sure they had to kill a lot of people and displace many more, but war is ugly and the blood spilled will eventually dry up and dissapear. Unfortunately the Germans weren't in any holy text and their actions were frowned upon greatly around the world. Israel on the other hand does not suffer this problem and will eventually with enough time and patience will be able to accomplish what the Nazi's weren't able to accomplish with Germany and with the "Worlds" (when i say Worlds I am refering to the Western nations who no what is best for the planet as a whole) blessing and backing as well.

Since the Holocaust is not a catastrophe I think that Jewbacca and jews around the world will now start celebrating it instead of condemning it. After all if not for this event there would be no Israel today and no 60 year anniversary either. I do recommend that non-jews that were killed get some credit as well. Hell why not give the gypsies their own homeland while we are at it. Fair is fair.

Peoples like the Palestinians and Native Americans need to just suck it up and let it go. To the victors come the spoils and to the losers come Reservations or land locked enclaves that pass for a State. Such is life!!!

All my comments here have been "awaiting moderation" (Censored)

So I will try again to remind readers When Bush links those who want to end his madness with "Nazi Appeasers".... just google Bush Nazi financial connections.

Jim, I have that problem all the time.

I can't believe that they are censoring you though, you tow the party line around here.

They must have gotten the wrong jew.

Full: *yawn*, more holocaust stuff. I know you guys think you are going to make an impact by trying to compare the holocaust with israel's security measures, but its not going to work. The only thing comparable to the holocaust here is what the arabs tried to do in 1948.

Again, I'm so sorry that they failed, what a "catastrophe"...

Six million people is a large number. I think it's exaggerated.

How come we never hear about other holocausts such as the indigenous people of America, Cambodia, etc. Because their skin is darker, they don't count? Whew! Incredible. But what do you expect from racists.

Bush loves making Arab enemies for America by shamelessly taking sides with Israel. But then he wants war profiteering to go on endlessly so that explains it.

The only explanation must be that the U.S. war profiteers want Israel's help in dominating and taking over the middle-east's oil fields. Why else does the U.S. government give Israel its unconditional support no matter how many crimes against humanity (Palestinians) Israel commits and why the gov't gives Israel billions of our tax dollars, weapons, and a blank check to develop weapons of mass destruction, hundreds of nukes, etc., etc.

lillilu: Holocaust denial huh? Nice to see that's the latest tack of you "progressives"...

Jewbacca,

We all know now that Hamas wants to live in peace with Israel even though you probably don't want to accept it.

Don't forget The Crusades were about killing Jews as well as Arabs.

This is still the Endgame for the Christian Zionist dogma because in they end they think Jesus will eliminate all who do not convert to Christianity. Is that not for you too, Jewbacca?

This is the modern version of the Crusades.

Even Mossad and most Israelis want to talk peace with Hamas but Bush is the one We are waiting for to get lost.

Jewbacca, how is that a "holocaust denial?"
I said I think the number is EXAGGERATED. I didn't say "no Jews were killed" by the Nazis.

You sound like a person who enjoys playing the victim, and one who needs help with reading comprehension. Anyway, I've got to get going here, so have a nice day.

http://giyus.org/

I am against our government helping out ANY state that uses one single state back religion to govern it's citizen.
So no billions ...not a penny... for the state of Isreal.

jewbacca;
There were indeed Palistinians driven out of their homes at the point of a bayonette. From their point of view the birth of Isreal was a catastrophe, it prevented them from forming their own independent nation during the time when empires were collapsing. The catastrophe continues today in places like Gaza where the Isreali's are engaged in a policy of collectively punishing the people who live there, a policy that Hitler himself would be proud of. This world is quite the nasty place, someone stop it. I want to get off.

Nothing is as dangerous as a closeted gay conservative.

Skippy, they didn't want to form an independant nation!!! They were given the opportunity and rejected it! You guys seriously need to leasrn your history. They didn't even consider themselves "palestinian" back then, they were considered trans-jordanians, and wanted to live in one big pan-arab state. The notion of an independant "palestine" began after 1967.

Do your observations about hitler and collective punishment apply to the palestinians who murder random israelis then cheer, by the thousands, in the streets? They seem far more nazi-like to me.

Question for Jewbacca. What did the Arabs do in 1948 except protect THEIR homeland?

Jewbacca, Israel has most modern and well equpipped Military in the region and nukes to boot. Don't you think your exaggerating the security situation for Israel a tad?

Jewbacca, you don't even try to be balanced, you make unsubstantiated blanket statements:

1. Skippy, they didn't evict anything, the palestinians left due to arab propaganda telling them they would get everything the jews owned after the war - SOURCE PLEASE

2. lillilu: Holocaust denial huh? Nice to see that's the latest tack of you "progressives"…

- When clearly he/she said they thought the number exaggerated

3. Do your observations about hitler and collective punishment apply to the palestinians who murder random israelis then cheer, by the thousands, in the streets? They seem far more nazi-like to me.

THE PALESTINIANS ARE AN OCCUPIED PEOPLE, THEY CLEARLY DO NOT HAVE THE UPPER HAND, SO THIS IS A RIDICULOUS CLAIM.

Do you have an intellectually honest bone in your body?

Looks like Jewbacca skippied away.

jxh261- The point that Jewbacca is trying to make is that the Palestinians never had a homeland.
They were essentially "squatters" for hundreds of years on land that belongs to the "Chosen People". If you have no homeland what is there to protect. Look at his arguement on them being nothing more than trans-jordanians. Talk about needing to learn history. Jewbacca is a zionist to the core and the only people that matter to him are his own. The trans-european jews who were the victimized are now the victimizers but you will never get that through to Jewbacca.

When he rattled the saber to Iran, the Knesset clapped happily.
Mabus intends to attack Iran, declare martial law, cancel the elections and implant biochips in everyone.

Banjo man,
There is more than one Israeli view which your link above does not even mention and most Jews in the world have known the truth of how the Rothschilds and the Bush's and the Fords and all the rest have supported Hitler and were against all the leftist Jews who wanted to boycott Hitler's Germany while the right wing Jews and Wasp war profiteers and bankers were covering up the Holocaust as it was happening for their own benefit.

Here is a new Jewish lobby group for Peace http://jstreet.org/

nahida,

First, welcome to CD! I've enjoyed reading your posts on other fora, like informationclearinghouse.

But in the west anyway, Jews do seem to be a very smart bunch - Marx, Einstein, Feynman, Oppenheimer, Heisenberg, Bohr, Sakarov, Chomsky. Nearly all the greatest intellectuals and orgainzers in the US left are Jews(including the anti-Zionuists) are all Jews, from the Rosenbergs to Naomi Klein.

But the Jews REALLY need to get off of this "God-Chosen People" nonsense. Everywhere Jews emigrate, they move into a country and insultingly declare themselves a special, "God Chosen People", and then complain about being at the recieving end of pogroms and such!

The only place the Jews get away with this "God-chosen people" stuff is in Amerikka, because, of course, the Amerikkans (especially the Protestant WASPS who founded and largely run the place), are the only _other_ people in the world who consider themselved a "God Chosen People" too (that must be why the US remains the only place in the West where circumcision remains so popular, and the way we shun the SI measurement system, the UN, and anything that smacks of internationalism)

And don't get me started about this "Palestinians left because Syria/Jordan/Egypt ordered them to." Sure! They would flee their homes, belongings, shops, family, businesses, farms, ancient olive groves, pets, and everything they loved based on an announcement on the radio. Sure thing! Do you take us Goyim and our Arab friends for fucking idiots????

Jim, the Rothchildes were almost murdered by Hitler! Jesus you guys are dumb sometimes. Most jews consider the Rothchildes to be Hitler supporters??? You guys bringing this stuff up is what proves this isn't just about israel.

Full, no no no, actually, in 1948, that land was british. It was the british that came up with partition, and the arabs who rejected it, which they had no right to do. Keep in mind also it was Ottoman land before that, and the arabs let the british in to fight the ottomans.

Learn some history guys, and give me a break with this "jewbacca just cares about jews" stuff. I could just as easily say you guys just care about the arabs and no other...

2cents: I didn't say the palestinians had the upper hand, I said they cheered in the streets when israeli civlians were murdered, and seemed far more nazi-like to me, which they clearly are.

jxh: The arabs in 1948 were not protecting their homeland, as it wasn't their homeland it was british palestine. They seemed to think that they would get all the land and it would be part of a pan-arab superstate. Sorry it didn't work out, but that's what happens when you allow europeans to plan your land for you, which is what they surely did.

I haven't skipped out just yet, I just have a job which takes a lot of my time. I know most of you probably don't...

True, but wasn't Palestine a British colony in 1948 not really British land now was it. History does tell us that there were always Arabs living in Palestine, correct?

I'm not here to argue or get into fights it would be nice just to agree that life for Palestinians is total hell and it isn't because they are a huge security threat to Israel and the West. There is clearly something else at play here and it isn't good.

Don't you agree?

BTW: Some of us crazy lefties do have bills to pay and families to feed just like you righties. I'm lucky because I develop websites for a living a mostly solitary job that allows me to work from home and work when I want to. Not all of us have to beg and collect cans.

jxh: Well, I don't even agree with calling it "palestine" in that context, since palestine is a roman word. There have always been arabs in that region, but there have also always been jews in that region, albeit for a long time not very many. As for the british, they were invited in in 1917 to fight the Ottomans, and welcomed as liberators. The arabs in the region even collaborated with them.

I agree that life for SOME palestinians is not good, but why do you blame israel 100% for this and totally ignore palestinian violence and bigotry? As long as this is totally ignored, expect israel to do the same vis a vis palestinian "suffering".

USN: Where have I talked about jews being "chosen people" or used this as an argument? Its you lefties who always say this, not me.

I'm not ignoring anything, it's the world that ignores the plight of the innocent women and children that get blown-up by air strikes against a besieged people.

It seems to me the Israeli government could handle this situation a little better if they wanted to. The tit-for-tat attacks are pointless and will only end when genocide is acheived. You know this they know this and that's the Zionist plan.

jxh: "The world"? Are you kidding me? The world has a coniption fit everytime an israeli looks at an arab the wrong way! There are whole UN agencies that exist to ONLY attack israel! Most of the world's media is totally in the pocket of arabs and will often print doctored photographs and data that supports the palestinian side. Remember the fake Jenin death toll, the fake funerals? Remember the faked photos in the hezbollah war? No, the world is on the arab's side.

I agree, tit for tat is worthless. Its time to go into gaza with full ground forces and fight it out to the death with hamas.

Jewbacca, how would you feel if somebody came in and bulldozed your neighborhood because they had a really old book that said they could? Think about it. How would you feel if somebody knocked on the door to the home your family has been living in for generations and said "You have 24 hours to vacate. This land is being turned into a Rasta-only highway to better connect our Rasta-only settlements."

Even better, how would you feel if you children, sick of being treated as a second-rate citizen, were shot by the IDF for throwing rocks?

Also, if any of the Jewish/Christian/Muslim posters could answer the following question for me I'd really appreciate it:
Why is it that the ten commandments only apply to people who follow the same version of the "Magic Pony in the Sky" story as you?

Studios, israelis do not bulldoze anything because of old books, but because of very new suicide bombings and rocket firings.

Why would my kids be throwing rocks at armed soldiers? Oh yea, because I taught them from birth to hate jews and commit acts of violence? I must say I'm not very sympathetic.

The ten commandments apply to all, I don't get why you bring them in. In my mind israel is not stealing and murdering, when they have a totally legitimate security concern based on biggotted aggresion...

Last first, killing is killing, no matter what the excuse. Also not that the question was aimed at not only Jews, but Muslims and Xians as well.

As to the first, I'm fairly sure the demolition started long before the suicide bombings, but even so do you really think destroying people's homes to build your own is a good way to get them to stop attacking you? Do you really not have a clue as to WHY the Palestinians are angry? If so the stereotype mentioned earlier is definitely not true.

By the way, collective punishment (as in starving the people of Gaza) is illegal under international law.

Don't get me wrong, though. I'm not trying to say the Muslims' hands are totally clean in all of this, but Israel is in a much better position to start the peace process, and all they do is instigate. It's like 2 kids fighting in a sandbox, only Israel is super-power's pet.

Studios, I'm sorry, but "killing is killing" is just not something I agree with. Is a serial killer the same as a mobster who kills other mobsters? I'd say not even close. And that's just one example.

You are right, suicide bombing is a recent tactic. Before suicide bombing, they killed israelis with more "traditional" means, like planted bombs, sniper fire, or artillery fire from the west bank (back when jordan was in control of it).

I think the palestinians are angry becuase they see all of israel as theirs, and want it "back". They are taight this from birth, as well as a host of anti-jewish stereotypes such as jews drink blood and have horns. If I honestluy believed that blood-drinking satan worshippers had took my home, I suppose I would be pissed to. However, this is no excuse as its racist and historically innaccurate.

And don't even get me started on "international law". As far as I'm concerned, this so called law means nothing, as israel is the only country that people try to force it on. NO other country in the region follows "international law".

Heck.

Both the Palestinians and the Israelis know that Bush will not contribute A JOT to peace. And then Dumbya has the gall to drag US Politics into Israel's 60s Anniv. It's like someone's Mom at a kid's birthday party qvetching about her old man or telling the rest of the kids how "her" boy messed his pants.

It is unconscionable. We are shamed. We are impoverished. We are a "superpower" in only rhetoric and nukes (and we can't use either and our money is gone). We have no "hand". We are no longer.

And this all started with that Nazi-lover Prescott.

Ugh. --UB.

Ahhh, gotta love these debates.

jewbacca, you have not a shred of empathy in you. I'd hate to think what you'd say to someone who was raped... Neither the Isreali's nor the Palistinians are saints, but the violence advocated by the extremists on both sides will lead to total blindness in the end. Tell me how you expect peace to develop in a region where violence is now the norm?

You claim that the palistinians teach their children to hate Isreal, do you beleive that no one in Isreal is teaching their jewish children to hate the arabs? I think it's both sides of this conflict that have covered themselves in excrement.

Arguing that international law is moot because no one follows it, is a poor arguement to make. Scrapping international law will lead the world back to the good old days when wars were indeed the sport of kings and the bane of all other humans.

Right now the Isreali's are stronger and better armed than their neighbours. That is something that will change, the history of human conflict guarantees it. Eventually, unless the Isreali's and Palistinians make peace and learn to get along, one side will kill off and/or enslave the other. Given the current problems the usa is having with its economy and the ill-will generated by its foolish invasion of Iraq, not to mention foolhardy sabre rattleing against Iran, in time the usa will not be able to sell advanced weapons to Isreal. What then? Will Isreal use the nukes they claim not to have?

Note on the Holocaust, it was at least 11 million people killed by the Nazi's in their camps. Disagree if you want, but should you check out the archives you'll find records for all those people. The death toll wasn't exagerated, but the bare minimum. The number of that genocide doesn't count the Soviet pow's who the Germans executed/starved or worked to death.

First off, the commandment says not to kill, it doesn't give ANY circumstances under which killing is acceptable.

Also, I've been trying to force international law on the US for a while, but my congressmen have been unresponsive. I guess they're too busy figuring out how to keep baseball players off steroids. The US started an illegal war in Iraq on the pretense of upholding international law. In any case, nobody is going to get Hamas to follow international law because nobody will talk to them. In addition, if you sign the treaty you are supposed to abide by it. Jew, Muslim, Xian or otherwise.

As to "wanting it back", what is Israel's excuse? Flip-flop the names in your statement and you have the Palestinian point of view.

Lastly, opening fire on children for throwing rocks, starving massive amounts of people, and demolishing peoples homes are definitely not on the list of ways to overcome negative stereotypes.

The bottom line is you can't just show up and say "This land is ours now." and not expect the people who are living there to have a problem with it. I'm sorry, it just doesn't work that way.

Goodnight.

nahida May 16th, 2008 2:24 pm

Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.

"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,"

And that boys and girls, speaks to motive! He was not confessing, but subtly bragging I suspect.

The neocons are Lukidist and the history of Netanyahu is well worth reading, I am referring to the word of Barry Chamish, an Israeli author and right-winger, with whom years ago I had a running correspondence on the Rabin assassination.

Here the link from which to read the whole thing: http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1997/02/msg01038.html

'Even within the conventional story, it is clear that Netanyahu was groomed for leadership by the Council On Foreign Relations (CFR) in New York. In 1979, twenty-seven year old Netanyahu called a conference on terrorism and the ruling elite of the CFR, Bush, Shultz and Perle answered to his summons. One word will suffice: why?

In 1979, Netanyahu organized an anti-terrorism conference in Jerusalem,
dedicated to his fallen brother. Somehow, he managed to attract the
likes of George Bush, George Shultz, and Richard Perle (President's
Reagan's chief arms negotiator) to the meeting and was thrust briefly
onto the world stage'

The escalating danger of nuclear war is THE issue that WE not are irresponsible avoiding.

Planned US-Israeli Attack on Iran

And another point that should not be allowed pas unnoticed, but was, even in Israel, was the brazen hypocritical statement he made, as report in this article by Donald Macintyre.:

"President"Bush...'"supporters of appeasing the Nazis before the Second World War."'

Does George Jr, not know about his grandfather, Prescott Bush? Hitler's banker in the United States, before and during World War Two, even after a Declaration of War!

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz

Staggering!

The Arab countries expelled as many Jews as Arabs left the new state of Israel in the late 1940s. The new state,impoverished as it was, took them all in and eventually managed to build them homes and find them work. They and their descendents are now among the leading citizens of Israel in every imaginable field.

The Arab countries chose to keep those who left Israel in squalid refugee camps, festering swamps of poverty and resentment. The Jews did not receive compensation from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, etc., etc., etc. Why should the oil-rich Arabs receive any from Israel?

I agree that the State of Israel has not treated its Arab citizens well and has made millions of mistakes in treating the Arabs it acquired power over in 1967, but I will never agree that Israel does not have a right to exist.

Jewbacca (what a nick),

Let me put it this way. If you:

1. had your homeland invaded,

2. the invaders bulldozed your home, bulldozed your shop, farm, and means of livlihood,

3. forced you into grinding poverty;

4. subjected to humiliation and shame on a daily basis;

5. then, (just to top it off), they murder your brother, son or daughter (practically every Palestinian has a family member or acquaintance who was killed by the Israelis)

Well, if this happened to you, might you, just might you, be willing to strap on a BOMB, and BLOW A FEW OF YOUR TORMENTORS TO KINGDOM COME?

But you can't see this, can't you Mr. Jewbacca, because in your filthy, racist, Zionist mind, Arabs are just DOGS, without human feelings, aren't they???

I am an agnostic, but it is cold, calculating amoral people like you that lead me to dearly wish there is a HELL!

...

I cannot understand why the usually clever people who comment on this site are wasting their effort having been baited into following the bias prattle of this JEWBACCA. (Baka is the Japanese for stupid)

The history is clear and no one needs the bias offered by this supporter of Zionist state terror and war criminals. The only way to deal with these propagandists is to totally ignore them and their pretence at argument in which they try to justify bigotry racism and the criminal theft of Arab land. The truth is they couldn't care less if you think them right or wrong as long as you let them get away with it. And so far with the help of American and British Zionists they have succeeded to "get away with murder and theft".

I was much more interested to discuss, this article and ask what is the significance of America being "Israel's greatest friend", according to Bush? Does that make for a good "intermediary for a balanced and fair peace settlement"? While Bush and therefore America is happy to completely ignore the plight of Palestinians and infringements on previous agreements, yet Hamas cannot be dealt with because (like the founders of the Zionist entity) they are considered terrorists. Abbas represents little more than a corrupt and unpopular minority yet he is the only one approved of by US and Tel Aviv only because he will do their bidding, the more he does the less support he has in the Palestinian community at large. It is masterly arranged to allow the criminals to go on thieving and killing while they play at pretending to do something about the stalemate in their fictitious peace process.

The people of Gaza are starving, being deprived of the basic necessities of life, socially and economically being persecuted, victimized and terrorized by a criminal Zionist entity.

While the US provides weapons, intelligence data, funds, and economic support to the criminals to help them illegally occupy territory that they have absolutely no right to, historically or legally or in any possible way one might like to put it, the same USA that is itself presently illegally occupying Iraq and Afghanistan, threatening Iran and participating in war crimes against Somalia.

Now all that preamble to ask this question… If you were 21 years of age and had seen your grandfather have his olive trees pulled out by their roots by an occupying army, his land stolen, his sister shot in the head by an Israeli sniper, his father and mother humiliated and deprived… And if you were he, and you had to listen to the war criminal Bush saying how much of a "friend" he is to these other criminals, would you not really wonder what is left for you to do? What would you do to get a life on your own land again, if you were in his place? Would you trust in a peace with these thieves and layers, or guns and rockets? I mean to ask is Bush, and are the Zionists, really trying to stimulate more and greater violence against their Zionist entity by their rhetoric? It sounds like these "men of peace", they really want a war, so badly. One should be careful what one wishes for. One might actually get it.

I'm neither Christian, Muslim, nor Jew, but :

Matthew 26:52: Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

and

the quran:
We ordained for the The table chapter(Surat Al-Ma'idah') 32:" Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone revived him, it would be as if he revived the life of all mankind"