World CO2 Levels At Record High, Scientists Warn
The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has reached a record high, according to new figures that renew fears that climate change could begin to slide out of control.
Scientists at the Mauna Loa observatory in Hawaii say that CO2 levels in the atmosphere now stand at 387 parts per million (ppm), up almost 40% since the industrial revolution and the highest for at least the last 650,000 years.
The figures, published by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) on its website, also confirm that carbon dioxide, the chief greenhouse gas, is accumulating in the atmosphere faster than expected. The annual mean growth rate for 2007 was 2.14ppm - the fourth year in the past six to see an annual rise greater than 2ppm. From 1970 to 2000, the concentration rose by about 1.5ppm each year, but since 2000 the annual rise has leapt to an average 2.1ppm.
Scientists say the shift could indicate that the Earth is losing its natural ability to soak up billions of tons of carbon each year. Climate models assume that about half our future emissions will be re-absorbed by forests and oceans, but the new figures confirm this may be too optimistic. If more of our carbon pollution stays in the atmosphere, it means emissions will have to be cut by more than currently projected to prevent dangerous levels of global warming.
Martin Parry, co-chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s working group on impacts, said: “Despite all the talk, the situation is getting worse. Levels of greenhouse gases continue to rise in the atmosphere and the rate of that rise is accelerating. We are already seeing the impacts of climate change and the scale of those impacts will also accelerate, until we decide to do something about it.”
© 2008 The Guardian
“To free a nation from error is to enlighten the individual and it is only to the degree that an individual is receptive of the truth that a nation can be free of that vanity which ends in national ruin.” ~ Homer Lea
After reading or blogging here, try the Bill McKibben article titled.
“Civilization’s Last Chance”.
It’s over on the right side of the screen.
There is absolutley NO other issue of more importance than this. __ NONE.
Here’s the McKibben link, talk about a nightmare.
www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-op-mckibben11-2008may11,0,2392815.story
Nobody is going to do anything about this until it is too late. Then of course, the powers that be will try anything and everything, and call attention to their “altruism”.
As was pointed out in the movie “The Crying Game”—”It’s in their nature.”
What to say at this point?
Pray that all the naysayers from Fox News to American Enterprise Institute to El Rushbo are correct.
Otherwise it don’t look good.
Quick, stop breathing!
Dogmatic certitudes befitting the extremes of religious zealotry KEM PATRICK speaks.
Yet wise men acknowledge first their own ignorance. So if I doubt the dogma and defer judgment for a decade, I am therefore a rightwing naysayer with an agenda, with no justifiable reason for withholding assent from this climate change hysteria? Intellectual integrity would give me the benefit of the doubt. If climatologists know anything with certainty, it is that their science is young and their ignorance vast. But for KEM PATRICK, truth is attained and all ignorance is vanquished.
~JSKINNER~. ~Kem Patrick~ is not a scientist, a geologist, or even highly educated, he’s just another one of billions of humans who live here here on this water world we name Earth.
Kem logs comments here and offers links for articles on global warming and the real danger posed by the Arctic’s methane gas, which is without sensible question, the most serious problem humanity has ever faced.
So if you have a serious argument about that and perhaps have the knowledge and credence to argue with the author of this aritcle I will post, give your arguments to it, instead of berating me, because I’m not the expert, nor do I ever pretend to be.
It takes thre minutes to read and understand this well written article. That is unless you are as stupid and ignorant as you sound with your off the wall and out of the dirty polluted blue, sensless attack on me.
http://www.energybulletin.net/3647.html
Recently, several Russian scientists were both amazed and quite frightened by what they witnessed in the Arctic, where several large lakes which had been solidly frozen over for the past five million years were now ice free and methane gas was broiling the surface of the water as it escaped into our atmosphere.
“So if I doubt the dogma and defer judgment for a decade, I am therefore a rightwing naysayer with an agenda, with no justifiable reason for withholding assent from this climate change hysteria? Intellectual integrity would give me the benefit of the doubt.”
jskinner,
At what point did it cross over from “hysteria” to “intellectual integrity” after Copernicus wrote On the Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres?
Just wondering if you think it’s okay to believe that the Earth revolves around the Sun…
jskinner wrote:
“If climatologists know anything with certainty, it is that their science is young and their ignorance vast.”
Very true! Therefore, if we apply probabalistic risk analysis (much loved by poeple on the right) to the climatologist’s predictions, there is a 50% chance that they are underpredicting the actual climate outcome. And with increasing “ignorance” on part of the scinetists, the variance of their predictions increases, and the chances of very large, catastrophic underpredictions becomes much greater!
The bell shaped curve of their predictions has two sides, if the science is immature, that means the curve is very broad. If we act based on errors on the high side, all we have done is convert over to a clean, post carbon economy a bit earlier than we eventually have to anyway. If we err on the low side, we may ALL DIE. WHAT SIDE, OF THE CURVE, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, DO YOU WANT US TO ERR ON???
Dear KEM - ignore jskinner. He can’t be anything but a troll to post his garbage. Your concern for our planet and for our grandchildren is more than appreciated. And I benefit from your sharing of the information you have gleened. It helps to keep us on topic. I don’t even want to engage in the “denial” discussion. It’s far too late in the game to even waste our time responding to these idiots with their heads in the sand or up the butts of the corporate elites.
You know, it’s articles like these, that occur more frequently, that keep me walking and biking around our city when I could be lazy and drive alone in my car. And I convinced a neighbor that it would be great fun for her school age kids to walk to the library (less than a half-mile away) than to drive. Now she’s a convert and is walking them all over.
Pay attention to the facts. This article has a very important fact. It reports the measurements of CO2 in the atmosphere over the last year. It reports that this continues to rise, and that it has been rising steadily since at least the 1970’s. It also reports that it appears to be at the highest level in some 600,000 years.
We know CO2 is a ‘greenhouse gas’. That is also a proven fact. We’ve known this for a long time. Certainly back to when I was in school 40 years ago.
Pay attention to the facts. Ignore the paid trolls who will come out here and try to distract your from the facts. They can’t argue with a hard scientific measurement like this, so the paid trolls will use other tactics. But, just pay attention to the facts.
Your right ~Rebel Farmer~, but if he/she hadn’t shown his/her ass, I wouldn’t have had a decent opportunity to post that important link, which I sincerely do hope everyone reads.
That’s why I bother answereing the swine. I was not really answering him/her, because he/she wouldn’t care anyway. I was speaking for those who may come here to learn, like you and I do. ___ How ya doin BTW?
KEM, I’m sorta okay. I’m having trouble getting my arms around the whole global warming/methane gas burp thing though. Even though I know that these are the most important issues to focus on, I can’t see how anything will get done that will actually make a genuine difference in the inevitable outcome. I just don’t see how the countries of the world are going to come to the table and truely try to work together to save the human race. I mean, look at the reality. A meeting for the next round on Kyoto Protocols isn’t even going to take place until the end of 2009! And right now all the movers and shakers have been blind sided by the world food shortages and pending economic collapse. Of course all of this is interconnected, but the basis of all the problems that we face now, as always, is the Masters greed and power. And the masses of the world, particularly in America and Western Europe, are not going to rise up until a catastrophy actually hits them in their bellies. And you and I know that that catastophy is coming soon. But will it be soon enough to save us? I just don’t know anymore.
I thought you’d like to check out the political allegory of mine that I just found a literary agent for. It’s a story set in the context of a teacher discussing with his class all of the evidence that the Bush administration is as corrupt as it is incompetent….and how to rectify the Constitutional crisis we face. It’s couched in a discussion about the urgent need to stop abusing Mother Nature. I wrote in 3 dozen celebrities to play the students, so it’s very funny despite how infuriating it is. You can read it at www.stoplittering.com/theswitch.htm and, yes, StopLittering.com is my site.
Cordially,
Jeff Poster
President, Posterity, Inc.
KEM PATRICK
well, it certainly looks as if jskinny has it in for you. in fact, you’ve been taking a lot of ’stick’ on other fronts too from various obnoxious entities. however, if what we are led to believe about the co2 levels and the methane gas comes to fruition, then those obnoxious entities will attain the truth and vanquish their ignorance…………and then, they’ll regret they didn’t do anything about it.
If you want to check out a campaign for Congress that is taking the issue of global warming seriously, and offering serious proposals on what to do, go to -
www.clarkforcongress.net
And thanks for signing up to get updates/help!
Gordon Clark
The US is wrongly fighting the wrong wars. The enemy is the desire and use of fossil fuels.
If you poke around the NOAA website cited in the article, you can click on greenhouse gases and up pops a map of all the global monitoring stations.
When you click on Mauna Loa or Cape Grim, AU, and choose methane (CH4) the plots show a little uptick in the last couple months. It says the data hasn’t been QC’d yet, but its there. It more or less verifies McKibbens’s article. A lot of the stations don’t show much change, however.
I think things might get moving around 2011-12. We could have a “perfect storm” of almost 400 ppm CO2, more methane, an El Nino year, no volcanoes, and a solar maximum. It could result in epic storms, heat waves, droughts, record arctic / antarctic melting, flooded islands, and cost tens of thousands of lives.
People around the world will be pissed off at the foot dragging, and who knows, we could even have OPEC refusing to sell us oil.
I really hope Hanson and company have made a big mistake, but the science is straightforward (every sophomore chemistry student for probably 60 years has learned about the absorption of infrared radiation by CO2, water and methane…), and I’m getting that deck is shuddering on the Titanic feeling.
I wonder what it would take for people to open their eyes, and do something about this problem. If every one of us gets involved a little, I am sure the stats will not be so horrifying.
GORDON CLARK
first i wish to congratulate you on your dedication. i saw your initial posting here a while ago and looked at your link. your website then was nothing like you have now. a lot of work has been done since that time and it is very commendable. you have achieved what you said you would. that is very noteworthy. your campaign video is short and to the point and well thought out. you have addressed most of the major concerns facing the planet’s future. if i was a u.s. citizen and lived in the u.s. you certainly would have my vote. i admire your courage to take on this daunting quest and i wish you every success.
i hope that the other ‘commondreamers’ here will take heed of your initiative and join you in combatting the challenges we face in today’s world by voting for you.
‘little drops of water make a mighty ocean’
I exchange correspondence with James Hansen and many other. I read read his research and charts regularly. There are no mistakes excepting with those who want to deny this information is factual and we are truly approaching the end in our children’s life time. But the American Enterprise Institute, the government or Exxon has bloggers paid to refute climate change research. it could com from people who most of you know write rubbish here.
The world economy and the Stern report in Britain wants a soft economic landing. The landing will come but at the end of the human race. Keep counting the profits on your 401ks.
The time is now, even Mcain has finally gotten the message, but congress has not they are still debating Ethanol and building coal fired plants.
Excellent points COCO. Yes indeed, if every one of us wrote a BRIEF and cordial letter to our congress persons, it may help. We have no idea of how many or which ones ever heard of the methane gas issue. We certainly have the time to blog comments here and we should have the time to write to our state and federal representatives.
It only takes a handful of congress to get a ball rolling and sometimes they roll it in the right direction, ___ uphill. The more who do become aware of the methane gas problem, the more help it may be. That’s why I write about it. There is no other issue of more importance. ___NONE.
Good goin Gordon Clark. __ You did good.
Thank You ~IKE KAY~. Great post.
“If we err on the low side, we may ALL DIE. WHAT SIDE, OF THE CURVE, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, DO YOU WANT US TO ERR ON???”
Yeah, that’s one I’ve asked myself many times. Good on you for asking it out loud.
Ever wonder why so many climate change deniers also harp on the business aspect? “We need to make absolutely, positively sure that we know the facts before we ruin the economy!” and that sort of blather. Seems to me that these folks have absolutely no faith in the power of innovation to make more jobs (and probably better ones) creating sustainable solutions. Can you imagine how many good jobs this country would have if we started a national plan to retrofit buildings and install clean power sources on all buildings and homes? But no, let’s not go there…bad for bidness. Or, is it just bad for certain bidness…like oil and coal and nucular? Makes one wonder…
I guess we have started noticing that we are living in the “end times.” What an honor!
For those not yet aware, a campaign has been initiated to call attention around the world that 350 ppm CO2 is a critical number we all must take seriously. This campaign calls on us to focus citizen energy on getting our various governments to understand that we are in crisis, and that they take action to deal with bringing carbon dioxide emissions under control when the next major international gathering of governmental leaders to design a new protocol takes place in December 2009. Take a look at their preliminary website, sign up to receive updates, and offer your ideas and support.
Dear friends,
350 is the red line for human beings, the most important number on the planet. The most recent science tells us that unless we can reduce the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere to 350 parts per million, we will cause huge and irreversible damage to the earth.
We’re planning an international campaign to unite the world around the number 350, and we need your help. We need to make sure that the solutions the world proposes to climate change are to scale with the level of crisis that this number represents. Everyone on earth, from the smallest village to the cushiest corner office, needs to know what 350 means. The movement to spread that number needs to be beautiful, creative, and unstoppable.
What we need most right now are on-the-ground examples for how to take the number 350 and drive it home: in art, in music, in political demonstrations, in any other way you can imagine. We hope this project will grow tremendously in the months to come, and it helps all the more if people can see the great things others are doing already. We will connect actions all around the world and make them add up to more than the sum of their parts - but we don’t have all the ideas and all the inspiration. We need you to act on yours.
We could also use your help spreading 350. Can you contact anyone you think might be interested and willing to help–in every country on earth – and send them our way?
Many thanks,
Bill McKibben and the 350.org crew.
Visit: www.350.org for more information.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnYlMbvSM3A (Brief description by McKibben of the campaign)
In the late 1950’s I read of pleas from a Scripps Oceanographic scientist (C D Keeling, I think) for money to set up the first air sampling station on Mauna Loa. He was scorned by jealous colleagues but persevered and eventually established an atmospheric CO2 baseline from which to measure all subsequent observations. He also proved that: 1) global CO2 levels were increasing and 2) ONE INDIVIDUAL could prevail against other mouth breathing dolts posing as humans.
Neither CD Keeling nor Jim Hansen can save us from Neanderthals. I’ve recently bombed out on my appeal (to high ranking congress persons) that the US maintain on all TV stations, and many billboards, a continuous display of the atmospheric CO2ppm figure. “No reply”–meaning ‘not invented here’ and it also invokes the ugly ‘frog in warming water’ syndrome.
March on Kem Patrick, Bill McKibben, et al! Without the guillotine we can only listen helplessly to the wails of the forlorn. But you do produce a ‘nice read’; so have a nice day!
RE: iammyself May 12th, 2008 8:53 pm
“Ever wonder why so many climate change deniers also harp on the business aspect?”
Of course, these are the same people who consider a human’s worth by what they have rather than who they are in terms of honor, decency, respect for others, charitable acts, altruistic intent, etc.
I don’t care if they ’spin’ themselves to death, just as long as they don’t drag me to their damned Rupture…err rapture with them
jskinner:
I agree with your observations completely. Anyone newly arrived at Common Dreams would wonder who died and made KEM PATRICK god’s defender of all knowledge vis a vis Global Warming and its atmospheric interaction with Methane. Of course, the larger question is why Common Dreams permits this fool to pollute their discussions with his vile monomania. The fact that he has such a devoted following among the other dim bulbs who stalk these threads like some post-apocalyptic lynchmob to enforce their demented orthodoxy of environmental prophecy would be sad were it not so consistently amusing.
Meanwhile, I’ve been doing a little research of my own, and here is a link that I will post just once (rather than hundreds of times):
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,547976,00.html
“The only true freedom is freedom from the opinions of others.”
MISANTHROPE
thank you for the spiegel link. i read the article with interest and actually understood what it said. in fact it’s on a par with kem patrick’s article. please feel free to post the link as often as you like just in case any new-comers haven’t read it or know about it. i’m not such a dim bulb after all…………….and it would have been kind if you had just posted the link adding to the thread instead of your unwarranted attack.
‘the only true freedom is freedom from the opinions of others’ i don’t believe it’s manadatory to visit this site…………..
If this really so horrible why isn’t the temperature going up? Why are we even still concerned about this? Actually there are more and more every day who are not. It will be interesting to see how much longer they (whoever THEY are??) can perpetuate this myth. Sunspot activity is VERY low, which means we are most likely in for some significant cooling, which appears to have already started judging from the winter that we have had. Stop worrying about the CO2, when it gets really cold we’ll wish that we had more!
Geo 522-the GLOBAL temperature is going up. Global warming leads to climate change. Climate change means some places get warmer and some cooler. What is interesting is where these places are and what the effects are.
Let’s go with Geo 522’s question of why we are concerned about “this”. I’ll ask some questions of my own:
If we fast track and implement policies/tools that can “heal” the earth and global warming/CO2 turns out to be something we completely misunderstood and didn’t need to worry about, what have we lost?
However, if we do nothing, continuing with the status quo and globalwarming/CO2 turn out to be what scientists say it will be, what have we lost?
Which scenario would you like to deal with?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zORv8wwiadQ watch The Most Terrifying Video
Misanthrope, I read your interesting link, and the link to German towns heating homes with methane biogas they produce. Very interesting & admirable, but I don’t think this controlled effort deals with what KEM has researched & talks about. It’s like apples & oranges comparing methane seeping over a large expanse with controlled methane being generated from materials brought to a location, and then ‘mined’ or converted. There are also some other issues the articles don’t address.
1) What is the population of the Siberian lands near the seabed massive releases of hydrate methane? Can it be mined & transported? What about the amount that can be gathered for use compared to the amount that will get away over such a broad area? And this is just for one geographical area. There are also massive ‘boils’ of methane gas erupting currently off the coast of California according to a recent report.
2) Even assuming these small demonstrations of home heating & electricity generation are feasible, a key word in the article was ‘decentralized’. The existing power & fossil fuel industries have a well proven track record that they shudder even at mention of that word. How, in today’s political/business collusive environment, do you wrest control of energy production from such entrenched well funded greedy giants? Hell, a number of these energy companies even object right now to someone being able to hook their own windmill or solar power production units to the existing grid. I don’t really see the power companies, or fossil fuel industry, giving up the control over our lives they currently have, nor will the politicians they buy accede to the public’s wishes, or even demands. Even supposing this giant hurdle could be overcome, will it be in time before enough methane enters the atmosphere to cause a runaway greenhouse effect?
3) What is the transport mechanism to get the methane, heat, or electricity from remote to populated areas where needed? Pipelines after conversion from ice to gas? Conversion to electricity then sent by cable? Stored then transported? None seem very practical or feesible given the resource & time constraints posed.
KEM acts as a ‘canary in the coal mine’ alerting the call of danger, and you shouldn’t come down on him so hard for his enthusiasm. We’re all, obviously, trying to find viable solutions to potentially looming environmental disaster, energy needs worldwide, and systems sustainable far into the future. We’re all also in this same boat together; we’re all terminal at birth, but through smart choices & action in the right directions we can have a choice between massive misery or a modicum of comfort. I see Common Dreams as a good sounding board for alternate perspectives. It’s like a huge ‘brain storming’ session, with all ideas initially ‘on the table’, but eventually ludicrous ones get weeded out. We try not to be mean to each other, but won’t abide trolls. Let’s be kind in our differences, ok? The last time stats were available on CD he had over 1,500 posts (ranking 1st or 2nd in number), so there is no question of his dedication to a better world for himself, kids, & grandkids. Sometimes he can be a bit hardheaded & even caustic, but from reading & life experiences has a wealth of information to offer. Besides, the old coot is even older than this old coot
Recycle1, thanks for reposting the link. I’d seen it before and it’s very good. It’s just too bad there are so many people (especially in this country) who delusionally believe “Ignorance is bliss”, or that hiding from problems will somehow alleviate them. Reality’s a bitch, isn’t it? In this pup over-populated world maybe she should consider having her tubes tied. ZPG (Zero Population Growth) is not just a concept, but a necessity now, eh?
You just know some folks will still be debating the reality of global warming when they’re treading water and dodging crocodiles in downtown Manhattan.
I don’t understand this arguing over scientific knowledge\prediction…I, for one, don’t any scientist or blogger to tell me that humans are doing absolutely nothing good for this planet, or themselves, as if that’s important…who the hell would argue otherwise? I don’t care which related subject you choose, or what measurement…just turn off your tv, put down your beer, get out of your car and look around…humans are inherently flawed suicidal egomaniacs…oh, well…I hope to see you in the medical tents…or I hope I go quick…
Up next: Change Or Die…we’ll be right back after this brief message from our sponsor…
Dirgibles!
Methane is somewhat lighter than air. You place collection systems similar to those used to capture landfill methane, drill wells, pull a little vacuum, separate the methane from water vapor and air if necessary, and fill hundreds of Hindenbergs. Tow them back to civilization and use the methane in place of natural gas from the pipeline.
Don’t INCREASE fossil fuel burning, just replace some with this stuff.
Not sure how one can collect methane from the permafrost, bbr, it’s a “bit” different than a landfill
The truth is ~MISANTHORPE, ~GOE 522~ and ~JSKINNER~ are ALL neo-con shills and trolls who constantly post blogs denying global warming. The reason they attack me is because I post more frequently than others and I’m a good target. If they can discredit me with others they win, so when they appear I talk back to them. They don’t like that.
For example, there was nothing I posted here to cause any to attack me except a troll. As I stated previously, I’m not an expert on the issue, I just offer links and the words of the experts and ofer suggestions to help correct the problem.
And ~Misanthorp’s~ link is interesting, but there is no way humanity can mine one half of one percent of the methane gas in the Arctic or in the oceans in the next thousand years and prevent a disaster.
We use methane gas in the United States to fuel power plants. A large one on Staten Island is one good example. His link is actually a Red Herring given to confuse the issue, like any good troll will attempt. If he agrees with ~JSKINNER~ you know what he really is, they work together. Ignore them.
Burning methane is no different than burning natural gas, it won’t help with our atmosphere’s Greenhouse effect and that of course is why we have the global warming problem.
Again, if all the fuel we humans used was just methane, we couldn’t ever in a million years use enough of it to stop the ticking time bomb in the Arctic from going off.
We have to defuse that bomb and the only way is to have totally clean energy and start on that project now. Of course that’s not what Misanthorpe, Jstevens and Geo522 wish to see happen. They want to help sell coal, oil and uranium for their puppet masters.
Hey Recycle 1:
Assuming the permafrost is starting to soften, maybe methane would migrate to where its being sucked out. Catch it before it “burps”.
Next question. How do you fold up an empty dirigible to get it to the arctic?
Hey Kem: Peddling uranium is at least helping solve GHG emissions. Big time. Right now. Just have to solve the myriad of new problems it causes, and clean up the mess from the early days, Chernobyl and weapons production.
Uranium is better than coal, clean evergy is better than both. __Lots better,__ we don’t have to hide away sunbeams, or wind in a hole in the ground forever.
It really would be impossible to capture the Arctic’s methane gas. You would need 500,000,000 blimps to trap a tenth of it. Then what do you do with it? If you burn it, it won’t help a thing. I do like blimps though.
wonderful work of fiction “State of fear” by Michael Crichton. makes a good read on a transcontinental flight. story is fictional but graphs and links are real. i highly recommend it.
i used to think global warming was pretty cut and dry but it made me chnage my mind. a lot.
Conclusion
In the course of writing this report we found inescapable, overriding conclusions. In the coming decade the United States faces an ominous set of challenges for this and the next generation of foreign policy and national security practitioners. These include reversing the decline in America’s global standing, rebuilding the nation’s armed forces, finding a responsible way out from Iraq while maintaining American influence in the wider region, persevering in Afghanistan, working toward greater energy security, re-conceptualizing the struggle against violent extremists, restoring public trust in all manner of government functions, preparing to cope with either naturally occurring or manmade pathogens, and quelling the fear that threatens to cripple our foreign policy—just to name a few.
Regrettably, to this already daunting list we absolutely must add dealing responsibly with global climate change. Our group found that, left unaddressed, climate change may come to represent as great or a greater foreign policy and national security challenge than any problem from this list. And, almost certainly, overarching global climate change will complicate many of these other issues.
While all those who collaborated in this study completed the process with a profound sense of urgency, we also collectively are encouraged that there is still time for the United States and the international community to plan an effective response to prevent, mitigate, and where possible adapt, to global climate change. We hope this study will help in that endeavor.
Indeed, the overall experience of these working groups helped underscore how much needs to be done on a sustained basis in this emerging field of exploration. This study hopefully will help illuminate how security concerns might manifest themselves in a future warming—and worrisome—world. Moving forward, the United States and other nations must chart a new path, for we already live in an age of consequences.
The Age of Consequences: The Foreign Policy and National Security Implications of Global Climate Change, Center for Strategic & International Studies, Nov. 2007
RE: badgersouth May 14th, 2008 12:38 am
“The Age of Consequences: The Foreign Policy and National Security Implications of Global Climate Change, Center for Strategic & International Studies, Nov. 2007″
badgersouth, can you tell me exactly why we should pay any credence to this study by a right-wing K Street, primarily government corporate funded, think tank, touting a board top heavy with neo-CON idealogs, and associations with the likes of Henry Kissinger, Richard Armitage, Joeseph Nye, Sam Nunn, & Michael Chertoff? These are recognized enemies to progressive thinking.
With the implications of other counter-productive parts of this study, geared more toward global hegemony than humanistic concern, this comes off more as a PR ploy rather than genuine aid toward the impending environmental crisis. Doesn’t it seem a bit hypocritical to have someone like Kissinger as a trustee, who has said the number one goal of American foreign policy should be de-population of the world by 2 billion people, especially in the Middle-East for mineral (oil) resources there?
How could you possibly have found your way to this progressive website, and posted by accident? If truly concerned about global warming you will seek to change some of the items offered in this article you refer to, to be less destructive, otherwise it will remain more of a problem than solution.
I thought he was so far off base that he was being facecious or joking ~PAUL~. If he’s serious, he’s a true nut case.
Kem… did you notice that on the “energy bulletin” they have a list of “solutions” and they do not include public transportation? This is the next “deny” battle we face.
http://frepubtra.blogspot.com
That’s right Kem, anyone who disagrees with you is a neocon troll. Same old postings, same old story…fortunately, you’re getting old (and it shows)and we haven’t heard from any Kem Juniors yet so let’s hope you’re the end of the line…to the rest of the Kem Patrick apologists:
Just because he’s an old fart does not automatically make him the world’s leading expert on Methane. Paul Smith points out: “The last time stats were available on CD he had over 1,500 posts (ranking 1st or 2nd in number), so there is no question of his dedication to a better world for himself, kids, & grandkids.” The number of his posts demonstrates only that he is more full of hot air than anyone else on CD, big deal! Here are some recent examples of Kem spewing out his “wisdom”:
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/02/3570/
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/20/3964/
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/28/4180/
You might want to check out the last post COCO, all that online flirting with grandpa has really been a great help in your campaign to save the world:
“KEM PATRICK September 28th, 2007 5:59 pm
There are sea surges, which may be caused from centrifical force, I’m not well informed as to the cause. One hit Long Island in 2002 and there was some serious flooding where it was totally unexpected. Kathyodat sent me that information BTW. She is still having problems of signing in here at Common Dreams. We miss her posts.
Hi COCO, what do you know about drive-ins babe? Hmmmmmmm.”
coco September 10th, 2007 7:25 am
KEM PATRICK
right i am not psycho. however i am very very angry at the greedy, grasping, bible bashing bastards who are destroying our planet in the name of MONEY…………..i hope they are the first ones to get it in the neck.
as for you, i don’t know either. till i meet you i never will. and even then……………… people cannot be trusted. i would trust a cat more than a human……………..
KEM PATRICK September 10th, 2007 12:33 pm
Coco, you don’t mean that. Not everyone.
Were you betrayed or hurt by someone close? You can trust me, ____ and I’ve always liked a little puss too.
RE: Recycle1 May 12th, 2008 12:55 pm
Here’s the McKibben link, talk about a nightmare.
www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-op-mckibben11-2008may11,0,2392815.story
Thanks for the LA-Times link. I’m forwarding it to a number of people.
misanthrope, just a suggestion; you can take it or stick it for all I care. Instead of harping on Kem for trying to do what he thinks is the right thing to do, consider reading the link then doing something constructive like passing the information on instead of being part of the problem by wasting everyone’s time with useless invective, ok? Remember, half of problem solving is recognition of one, so spread the word, educate, inform, speak up. There are a lot of people around ignorant that we ALL face a very serious challenge with dire consequences from inaction.
Hey ~COCO~ no more joking or flirting in a joking manner either, ~Misathorpe~ is watching. Remember when you mentioned your house cat? I do believe those off topic discussions were on threads that had already been buried in the archives.
Anyway, global warming and the methane gas is a most serious issue.
You’re getting very personal with your comments about my children there ~Misanthorpe~. Of course that’s good in a way, for it shows everyone what type of person you are.
KEM AND PRESENCE
those posts date back to september 2007 - eight bloody months ago. and i will flirt who whomever and whenever i desire……………..flirting in no way distracts me from my ‘campaign to save the world’.
Hey badgersouth:
You got jumped on almost as bad as Kem P. That summary at least shows SOME conservative “thinkers” have global warming on their agenda. Its a lot better than Hannity’s total denial and ridicule or that old girl at the Heritage Foundation who says something like: It would be nice to do something about GW, but that would be very expensive, and we have better things to do with our funds right now.
Maybe McCain will do something about it if elected.
I doubt anyone will do enough to stop this. If only we could all just get up at 3am and slash car tires…
Although I here that working at home is a good way to help.
PS: Tow trucks may be a number one target =)