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Harper's Extreme Posture No Way to Support Israel
Stephen Harper equates criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism.
"Unfortunately, Israel at 60 remains a country under threat - threatened by those groups and regimes who deny to this day its right to exist," he told a Toronto celebration marking the anniversary.
"And why? Look beyond the thinly veiled rationalizations: Because they hate Israel, just as they hate the Jewish people."
Many groups and regimes, such as Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran, do deny Israel's right to exist. But not all others do so solely for the reasons cited by Harper. Some hold back recognition as a negotiating tool in the Palestinian dispute.
The Prime Minister also told radio station CFRB: "My fear is what I see happening in some circles is anti-Israeli sentiment, really just as a thinly disguised veil for good old-fashioned anti-Semitism." He added that he saw anti-Semitic sentiments during the 2006 Israeli invasion of Lebanon among "some elements in our political system, even some Members of Parliament."
On Friday, Bob Rae, Liberal foreign affairs critic, asked in the Commons as to which MPs the Prime Minister was referring.
Rae did not get an answer.
One wonders what Harper would make of those Israelis, as well as Jewish Canadians and others, who do strongly support Israel but also question some Israeli policies.
What would he say about the Alliance of Concerned Jewish Canadians? This newly formed umbrella organization of 23 groups, critical of some Israeli policies, obviously does not "hate Israel," or "hate the Jewish people."
Harper's position is designed to silence and delegitimize even the mildest criticism of Israeli policies.
It's an undemocratic formulation that the Israelis themselves would reject. There's a sturdy debate in Israel on all aspects of its policies in the Occupied Territories.
In Rae's words, Harper is saying, "there's a very close association between being anti-Israel and being anti-Semitic ... I don't think it's fair to say that everybody who has or expresses concerns about Israeli foreign policy is anti-Semitic.
"If that were true, three-quarters of the population of Israel would be anti-Semitic."
Harper's comments came the same day as the Israeli ambassador to Canada, Alan Baker, told the Globe and Mail and later CTV News that growing Muslim communities in France, Britain and Scandinavia have had an impact on the foreign policies of those nations and that he "fears" the same in Canada.
The 2001 census put the number of Muslims at 580,000 and of Jewish Canadians at 330,000.
Baker: "Do you expect from these greater numbers that they will absorb themselves into Canadian society as Canadians or that they'll try to push Canadians to adopt their own values and principles?"
What values? That they may exercise their democratic right to lobby their own government?
Baker also complained that he or other Israelis speaking on university campuses may face demonstrations or be prevented from speaking, as happened to Ehud Barak in 2004 at Concordia University.
First, that Montreal cancellation was much criticized. Second, Baker did not say when and where he was prevented from speaking.
There's an ongoing debate in Canada over when freedom of speech crosses the line into hate. The argument gets played out in universities over Israel Apartheid Week. Despite pressure to cancel it, the universities of Toronto, York and Ryerson have opted for academic freedom but McMaster axed the event.
Baker singled out "a Muslim Member of Parliament," Omar Alghabra, as having been "outspoken in his hostility toward Israel." Later, he called Alghabra's views "less than friendly," without citing any statement by the MP.
"I've got nothing against the fact that Muslims are members of the Canadian Parliament. But it worries me that the type of political influence that we're seeing in Britain, in France, might ultimately reach the Canadian political system."
Baker seems to want what Harper wants: Pro-Israeli voices should be heard loud and clear, but those who might question this or that policy of Israel should be silenced.
This is not how Canada works.
All groups, regardless of their religion, race or ethnicity, are free to speak, and the government of Canada makes foreign policy decisions in the interest of all Canadians.
Canada is not Israel where Israeli Arabs are second-class citizens.
For all of Baker's nervousness, our foreign policy has been pro-Israeli dating back to Paul Martin in 2004. Harper has just made it more so.
Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion and Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day have done well to call Baker's comments inappropriate.
Carl Rosenberg of Vancouver, a regular reader of this column, was so angry with Baker that he emailed me the following:
"Canada's policy on the Middle East should be debated on its own merits, without resorting to obnoxious statements about the demographics of one or another religious or ethnic community ... I wonder what the response would be if an ambassador to Canada from any one of several Arab states were to express concern about the impact of Jewish Canadians on Canada's Middle East policy?"
We'd tell them to mind their own business and not interfere in Canadian affairs.
Haroon Siddiqui writes for the Toronto Star.
© 2008 Toronto Star
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Show AllDoes anyone give a damn what GWB's Canadian mouthpiece says about anything at all? I didn't think so.
As for charges of so-called "anti-Semitism" being invoked whenever Israel/Zionism or any related policies are criticized, that tactic has been so overworked that it has become virtually meaningless. My own reaction is now little more than a shrug. And that's a pity, especially for Jews themselves. The inevitiable long-term consequence is likely to be growing tolerance and even support for REAL anti-Semitism -- or, more accurately, growing anti-Jewish sentiment.
Harper is Bush light...'nuff said.
Wow....
My mayor, Gavin Newsome said something almost identical to Harper from Israel where he is visiting. You are right Arvy about these charges being old-hat, but as one who has suffered these charges, unjustly, it still hurts.
People on the right of the spectrum like to equate being anti-war/anti-Bush with being anti-American.
When are we as a people going to become sophisticated enough to understand just because we are against the policies of governments does not make us against the policies of the citizens.
I almost caused the despicable Sean Hannity to have a stroke one time. He was trying to criticize me for meeting with Hugo Chavez because he said that Pres Chavez is "anti-American," I said: "Sean, he is an American." He didn't know what to say.
Love and happy Mother's Day,
Cindy
The Anti-Semitism epithet has been so widely misused as the be rendered suspect, and it was the right wing scum bags who largely did it (Alan Derschowitz is prime example of this in the USA). It almost makes one nostalgic for the days when the Israel lobby was dominated by the kibbutzim, instead of the yeshiva types who dominate now.
Someone please wake me up from this bad bad dream. Who are these lying maniacs who run our world? Run for the hills folks. This rough ride ain't gonna stop any time soon.
cindysheehan May 11th, 2008 12:01 pm -- "Wow…. My mayor, Gavin Newsome said something almost identical to Harper from Israel where he is visiting. You are right Arvy about these charges being old-hat, but as one who has suffered these charges, unjustly, it still hurts."
Unfortunately, that is precisely the intention of those who level those kinds of charges, whether they be anti-Semitism, anti-Americanism, or whatever, against those who would criticise their (geo)political agenda. You are supposed to be inhibited by the shame that you feel and that others direct toward you for your allegedly nasty prejudice. Don't be.
On the other hand, one must also try one's best (and it's not always easy) to avoid their self-fulfillment.
BTW, good luck with your own agenda. I wish I could support it with more than words, but I can't.
Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Stephen Harper's got to go!
Cindy Sheehan took the words right out of my mouth.
Critics of Israel's policies are called "anti-Semitic" in the same way that critics of George W. Bush's policies are called "anti-American." In both cases, the charge could be more accurately leveled at the accusers....
For our non-Canadian readers, Canada's news production is dominated by CanWest/Global. It's owned by a Jewish family, the Aspers, and the chain owns daily newspapers as well as television stations across the country. I can't remember if the Daily Telegraph and the Jerulsalem Post were included as pieces of the deal when CanWest bought up much of Hollinger from the felon Conrad Black a few years back.
Prime Minister Harper is certainly pandering to the Aspers' political interests in order to set himself up with favourable coverage in CanWest/Global news come the next election.
In the big picture however, this is just one more example of how political dissent and social criticism is dealt with by the ruling classes. Any comments questioning policies and realities of geopolitics, race relations, imperialism, economic policy, class war, etc. are framed as personal flaws of the critics. Rather than dealing with concrete issues and promoting rational policy debate in a democratic society, the idea here is to label the critics with a derogatory label in order to avoid debate about issues that the ruling class can't defend from a moral or rational point of view.
Just like in national politics. The ruling class and the media try to shift focus from policy to personality.
Remember, not all Jewish people are Israelis. Not all Israelis are Zionists. To criticize the Zionist ruling class of Israel is not a manifestation of racism, or some sort of personality flaw. It's a matter of justice. It's essential for peace in the Middle East. And it's everyone's responsibility.
I learned in the Vietnam War to separate government from people. Cindy and Arvy are both correct. Americans are good people and they will do the right thing. Our government is just the opposite. In our system of government the people are supposed to tell the politicians what we want and need. Just the opposite is happening. The government is out of step with the American people on most major issues. If we really had a democracy we wouldn't be in Iraq today.
Hoa binh
since1492 May 11th, 2008 1:15 pm -- "Americans are good people and they will do the right thing."
I sincerely hope so. As I see it, however, it's not so much about any lack of goodness amongst Americans as it is about a lack of political awareness and sophistication. Perhaps I am becoming somewhat prejudiced in thinking that American (USan) goodness seems singularly easy to misdirect toward bad ends.
The blame for that may be more institutional than individual, but that fact, if it is a fact, can diminsh neither the ultimate "democratic" responsibility nor the consequences. And the same holds for Israel, as far as I'm concerned.
Harper is a lizard. I voted for the Marijuana Party the year he was elected. I had no other choice. I was in his riding and surrounded by fools. How is it that so many intelligent people can be duped by such a man? Orwellian...
Bad enough that we're the premier vassal state of the empire, but Harpo has to go and advertise it So humiliating . . . .
Israel does not have a right to exist at the expense of the Palestinians.
Pretty boy Gavin Newsom has his head firmly planted in Diane Feinsteins a__, so there isnt much he can do other than parrot her positions. Israel is a terrorist State. The world acknowledges this but we 'Americans' from the U.S. seem to have a hard time seeing this.
American foreign policy IS creating hate for all Americans.
As Nazi Germany caused Hate for ALL Germans by many.
And Israel's Actions are causing Waves of Hatred For Jews; It is the "Jewish State" after all.
It is the most Hated country on Earth; Is the whole planet Anti-Semitic?
Or does Israel's Butchery over the Decades create anti-Semitism?
Of course it does. Victim's don't split hairs.
At a certain point they strap explosives to their body and fight back.
And I cheer them, and all oppressed people on.
My fondest dream is that the half-feral starving and diseased peoples of the Very Warm Global FUTURE Middle East will be able to put aside their previous differences and Arab or Jew, Muslim or Christian, mine for cans of soda together in the scorching dirt of the dying world.
In the drastically depleted future we're going to look back like a reformed Junkie 'wishin' he had all the money he use to spend on dope' at all of the treasure wasted on War. And especially religious war; war based on differing preferences for fantasy characters. We are bickering over Dungeons and Dragons in a sinking boat right now and the water's at the gunwales. I'm not sure we have the luxury of defining ourselves as Jews or Arabs or Christians or whatever club names we come up with any more. If the HUMAN RACE can no longer develop on Earth, guess what? The Jews won't be okay. The Muslims won't be okay. All featherless bipeds will be screwed regardless of their choice of favorite fictional characters. We gotta grow up past religion and govern ourselves by logic based on reality within the frame of this new global inter-reliance. We might have ten years to turn the world around in order to forestall the horrific worst of Global Warming. How much time does endless pointless religious bickering deserve in this catastrophic emergency? I say we give it another eight or nine seconds and then get onto something important.
And if I have offended you, you have my sympathy 'cause I'll probably do it again later.
It's quite clear that Stephen Harper is attempting to exploit what he believes is a monolithic Jewish-Canadian constituency and he demonstrates by his language, just how little he understands the nature of the Jewish community in Canada and Israeli society, where freedom of expression and speech is a given. His pandering will not win him friends and support amongst intelligent and influential Jews. Nor will it endear him to the realists within Israel itself. All in all a rather sad comment on a Canadian leader.
Mr. Harper would do well to read the work of professor Benny Morris of Ben Gurion University or the recent book by the former American State department offical Aaron Miller (a RepublicanP), called "The Much Too Promised Land". He might also have a look at the writings of professor Avi Shlaim and a host of other Israeli historians, scholars and journalists, who are far more critical of Israeli foreign policy than anyone in canada or the United States.
Those who overlook the misguided nature of some Israeli government policies, are neither the true friends of Israel, nor do they have the best interests of Jews at heart. Rather they are - like Mr. Harper, transparently pandering to the lowest common denominator.
All in all, his uncritical acceptance of anything and everything that Israeli governments do is proof of his intellectual dishonesty.
Jim Reed
www.reedwrites.ca
I lived in Canada for three years and loved the place. Seems it's gone to the dogs! Any person who encourages Israelis to continue with their oppression and brutality and occupation is morally bankrupt. Harper is a fool!
Breaking News. Israel planning to occupy Texas!
P.S. See http://www.dangerouscreation.com for details and perhaps a laugh.
Harper is a place-holder until a Leader and a Statesperson comes along. Our voting choices in Canada are pretty dismal.
Who gives a shit what's good for Israel.
Harper show his true colours in 2006 during the Lebanon invasion when Israel used a typical border incident, with the capture of 2 Israeli soldiers, to invade Lebanon. He called the invasion and bombing of Beirut airport a "measured response". I was sufficiently incensed to write to him and the Foreign Minister pointing out that traditional Canadian diplomacy was to "deplore" such actions (without commenting on the rights or wrongs of the issue).
Dave kines thanks
Some posters have to remember there is more than the USA in the world. Harper is pulling every string he can to win the next election You did forget CBC. If you watch Mercer report, 22 minutes, that say things against the Gov on a level I have not heard in the US since Bush took over.
Rick Mercer for Prime Minister.
Seriously!
According to the state department, the New Testament is considered to be anti-semitic material because it says Jesus (a jew) was killed by Jews.
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/102301.pdf (7.4 mb)
Just a matter of time before criticizing Israel is a crime. You go to jail just for questioning how many died in the holocaust in Europe.
The Old Testament is anti-non semitic, but thats ok because most of the non-semites are Christians. Actually, most jews are as well, but thats another issue.
Here are some examples
For you are a people holy to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for his own possession, out of all the peoples that are on the face of the earth.
Deuteronomy 7:6
When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; and when the LORD your God gives it into your hand you shall put all its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the cattle, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourseves; and you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the LORD your God has given you. Thus you shall do to all the cities which are very far from you, which are not cities of the nations here. But in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save nothing that breathes ...
Deuteronomy 20:10-16
And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break into pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever ...
Daniel 2:44
[The Israelites] warred against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and slew every male.... And the people of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones; and they took as booty all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods. All their cities in the places where they dwelt, and all their encampments, they burned with fire, and took all the spoil and all the booty, both of man and of beast ...Moses said to them, "Have you let all the women live? ...Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
Numbers 31:7-18
He [the Jew] should not press his fellow [Jew] for payment ...the foreigner [Gentile] you may press for payment."
Deuteronomy 15: 2-3
You must not make your brother pay interest, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything on which one may claim interest. You may make a foreigner [Gentile] pay interest but your brother [fellow Jew] you must not make pay interest.
Deuteronomy 23: 19-20
Foreigners (Gentiles) shall rebuild your walls, and their kings shall minister to you ...Your gates shall be open continuously; day and night they shall not be shut; that men may bring to you the wealth of the nations, with their kings led in procession. For the nation or kingdom that will not not serve you; shall perish; those nations shall be utterly laid waste....
Isaiah 60:10-12
You shall suck the milk of nations, you shall suck the breast of kings; and you shall know that I, the LORD, am your Savior and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.
Isaiah 60:16
And strangers [Gentiles] shall stand and feed your flocks, strangers shall be your plowmen and vinedressers; but you shall be called the priests of the LORD, men shall speak of you as the ministers of our God; you shall eat the wealth of the nations, and in their riches you shall glory.
Isaiah 61:5-6
The world is pretty messed up IMHO. I am not religous, so I harbour no ill will to any people of any religion, just so long as they let me be free of it. Yet it is clear the conspiracy hides behind religion and uses it to it's own end. I do not confuse the people of that religion with the conspirators who use it, but I am anti-conspiracy.
Groan. Is there any earthly abomination that cannot be supported and justified by somebody's selective quotations from their chosen "holy scripture"?
Sorry, Joshua. You and others have tried your best to create a break with all that "scholarly" nonsense. Unfortunately, emperors then, as now, have a way of co-opting religious and philosophical movements for their own ends.
RE: - Does anyone give a damn what GWB's Canadian mouthpiece says about anything at all?
Arvy, unlike McCain, GWB's Canadian mouthpiece faces questions on what he says. If you want to know what McCain's planning to do as President, listen to Harper.
RE: - Unfortunately, that is precisely the intention of those who level those kinds of charges, whether they be anti-Semitism, anti-Americanism, or whatever, against those who would criticise their (geo)political agenda. You are supposed to be inhibited by the shame
It opperates both at the level of a personal attack against the messenger and inoculation - don't listen to him, he's X.
RE: - Canada's news production is dominated by CanWest/Global. It's owned by a Jewish family, the Aspers, and the chain owns daily newspapers as well as television stations across the country.
Unlike Leonard, father/founder Izzy Asper was a life long Liberal talking about his old campaign buttons from the 70's the night he died. Both Izzy and son Leonard were fond of the Fraser Institute (our Heritage Foundation), but Leonard voted Conservative last election. The Aspers have Conrad Black's old holdings. Izzy was done in by his fondness for the Salisbury House nip. Back to topic.
Izzy Asper had a tendency to think that any country name after himself (ie Israel) can do no wrong - which makes one wonder how much space his human rights museum will be devoted to atrocities against the Palestinians (Evan Solomon interview video at right).
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2003/10/07/asper_dead031007.html
RE: - What would he say about the Alliance of Concerned Jewish Canadians?
I have a pretty good idea what Harper would say about the ACJC.
The ACJC keynote speaker at their first conference was Naomi Klein (saying what she said about Israel in the Shock Doctrine). Naomi Klein is married to Avi Lewis, who is the host of Inside USA for Aljazeera. Avi's father was the leader of the NDP in Ontario and Avi's grandfather was the second leader of the federal NDP party. I know the kinds of things Harper says about the NDP - not very nice things.
Inside USA - Lobbying for Israel - 05 April 08 - Part 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7ZahZQrJv1g
RE: - On Friday, Bob Rae, Liberal foreign affairs critic, asked in the Commons as to which MPs the Prime Minister was referring. / Rae did not get an answer.
Which means that Rae will probably be asking the question again on Monday. Bob Rae's wife is Jewish and someone approached her (not knowing she was Jewish nor Rae's wife) trying to convince her not to support Rae's bid for the leadership because his wife was Jewish. Here is what not answering a question actually looks like:
Hon. Bob Rae (Toronto Centre, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I really do regret that the minister has missed an opportunity here to take advantage of what was a very practical approach to what I think most people would see as a problem.
However, I would like to ask the minister another question on another subject having to do with the comments that were made yesterday by the Prime Minister on the radio in Toronto.
The Prime Minister is quoted as saying that "anti-Israeli sentiment, really just as a thinly disguised veil for good old-fashioned anti-Semitism". He then went on to say, "I am disturbed that there are some elements in our political system, there are even some members of Parliament … that were willing to cater to that kind of opinion".
Perhaps the minister will understand the sensitivity that all of us feel as members of Parliament. Could he perhaps tell us who exactly the anti-Semites are that the Prime Minister is talking about?
Hon. Peter Van Loan (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Minister for Democratic Reform, CPC): Mr. Speaker, I know the member for Toronto Centre takes these issues seriously and supports strongly, as does this government, the right of the state of Israel to exist and the right of that state to coexist in peaceful security with its neighbours. We know that we have to stay vigilant in that support of Israel.
I know the member himself has, in his own leadership campaign, experienced the kind of anti-Semitism, of which the Prime Minister spoke, and the damage and corrosive impact that it can have. He knows full well that does continue to exist as a force in our society and it is something that we must fight against at every opportunity.
vaudree May 11th, 2008 10:34 pm -- "Arvy, unlike McCain, GWB's Canadian mouthpiece faces questions on what he says. If you want to know what McCain's planning to do as President, listen to Harper."
Agreed. That is potentially a major advantage of the parliamentary system, along with the separation of head of government and head of state/CinC roles. Unfortunately, I fear that Canadians are rapidly approaching the same abysmal levels of political awareness and sophistication that seem prevalent amongst their southern neighbors.
How anyone could possibly believe Harpo's claims of concern for Canadian sovereignty while observing his actual "North American Security and Prosperity Partnership" activities is beyond me. Then again, Canadians also seem to believe US presidents when they claim to be in favor of a "strong and united Canada" whilst every agency of USA Incorporated strives mightily to achieve precisely the opposite.
I actually find Baker's view more interesting than Harpers. His real fear is of course that Canada is constructing a pretty much successful "multicultural" society which is at complete odds with Israel's social engineering.
RE: - Harper is Bush light…'nuff said.
If you truly think that, you are falling for Tory propaganda - Harper may have to tread more carefully, but he wants everything Bush wants. Iggy is Bush-lite. Rae looks surprisingly good in a digital bathing suit. So who do you think is going to replace Liberal leader (Stephane Dion) when he steps down - bush light or the naked guy!
RE: - My mayor, Gavin Newsome said something almost identical to Harper from Israel where he is visiting.
Strange when they all say the same things like that - it is almost as if they are reading off of the same script. So who is writing the script?
March 17, 2006
Video: Have we heard this before?
http://www.cbc.ca/22minutes/video.html
Harper and Bush saying the same thing (The Hour)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=adKGo95iozo
RE: - I voted for the Marijuana Party the year he was elected.
Seems that Bush and Harper also agreed on what to do about Marc Emery - the former leader of the BC Marijuana party.
RE: - Israel does not have a right to exist at the expense of the Palestinians.
That is a good point - and no one has bothered to ask Israel whether she figures Palestine has the right to exist. Even Hamas is ready to entertain the "two state solution" - and, if one of those states is Palestine, who is the other state!
RE: - Or does Israel's Butchery over the Decades create anti-Semitism?
I wouldn't go that far, but it certainly can be used by those wishing to justify those sentiments. Just as both Bush and Osama use each other in their recruitment material. I would not be half surprised if Osama Bin Laden is holed up at the Bush ranch since Bin Laden seems to release his tapes when Bush most needs him to.
RE: - Harper's comments came the same day as the Israeli ambassador to Canada, Alan Baker, told the Globe and Mail and later CTV News that growing Muslim communities in France, Britain and Scandinavia have had an impact on the foreign policies of those nations and that he "fears" the same in Canada.
RE: - Baker singled out "a Muslim Member of Parliament," Omar Alghabra,
So what kinds of "values" does Alghabra push in Parliament and why does Harper find those "values" offensive? In May, Alghabra said something about a Nuclear bill, and the last thing Alghabra said in April is this (Tuesday, April 29, 2008):
Mr. Omar Alghabra (Mississauga—Erindale, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, Ontarians remember the failed policies of Mike Harris and that finance minister. Their policies gave Ontario a $5.6 billion hidden deficit, hospital closures, thousands of nurses fired, the Walkerton catastrophe, the Hydro mess, the heartless attacks on the homeless and Ipperwash. They even bungled meat inspections.
Canadians deserve effective policies. Why is the minister determined to recycle policies that we know have failed in the past?
Mr. Omar Alghabra (Mississauga—Erindale, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, that answer proves my point. The minister is delusional.
The minister ignores the manufacturing job crisis with his "laissez-faire, I don't care" attitude. Instead, he cares about phantom trains in his riding. He cares about rigging an application process to favour a group in his riding with which his wife is involved. He cares about giving his friends untendered contracts.
Canadians want to know: Why is the minister not working for them?
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/housechamberbusiness/chambersittings.aspx?View=H&Parl=39&Ses=2&Language=E&Mode=1
There is great resistance across Canada to Harper's recent absurd words. The majority of Canadians, according the polls, don't approve of his uncritical support for Israeli policies. There is also resistance to the attempt to silence criticism of Israel on campuses. Siddiqui mentions universities that have allowed Israeli Apartheid Week and one (McMaster) that didn't allow it. What he doesn't mention is that the authorities at McMaster have been challenged, and they have been running, evading, denying and backtracking. Israeli Apartheid Week will take place, don't worry.
RE: That is potentially a major advantage of the parliamentary system, along with the separation of head of government and head of state/CinC roles.
Arvy, Harper has a minority government and the only reason he is still in power is because the Liberals keep preventing the NDP from bringing it down. Harper wants a majority government and Canadians are not prepared to give him one.
If more MPs vote against a budget (or confidence vote) than for it, the government automatically falls and there is an election. Combined, the opposition has more sitting MPs than Harper does.
I saw one poll where the NDP vote in Quebec was higher than the Liberal vote and submitted a comment that said just that on CTV - and they never thought it worthy to put up. At least CD allows anyone to put a comment up following an online article. CTV wants everyone to think that it is between the Harper Tories and the Liberals.
CanadatoImperium, the one thing a Muslim Canadian father and a Jewish Canadian father would both frown on is their children marrying. Then again, some Muslim and Jewish parents don't mind that at all. Sort of wondering how long into the next season of Little Mosque on the Prairie it will take before we see such a match up.
Michael Stark and Michael Leshner entered the first legal gay marriage in Canada - a Jew and a Catholic.
El-Farouk Khaki, refugee and immigration lawyer, is the founder of Salaam, a support group for gay Muslims - and was one of the founders of the Canadian Muslim Union.
I may be going out on a limb but I think that Khaki and Leshner agree in their opinions concerning gay marriage. Thus, it is possible for Jews and Muslims to share the same "values".
"When you look at Islamic history, there was always diversity. I think the larger Muslim community needs to understand we're not a threat to them." - El-Farouk Khaki
With Harper, everything is framed via the good-evil, black-white lens of the religious far Right. Israel good, Arab bad, all nuances forbidden as is any empathy for the downtrodden.
Harper does not represent Canadians or Canada so much as he represents an ideology, an ideology from a relatively small group of evangelical Christians who believe in biblical prophecy regarding Israel and an imminent rapture. Harper will do all he can to nudge that rapture along.
Fuk Israel!
Who gives a damn what Bushlite says? Me! A Canadian voter. And many more like me. Soon we will be counted. So long Steve!
mr. d - Steve isn't Bushlite - he is the full monty.
Cromerovich - though Steve caters to the religious right, his religion is Alberta oil.
Americans - Harper hates being called "Steve."
Authoritarianism creeps into culture of Harper government
Killing CAIRS database makes it easier to delay, obfuscate and withhold information - journalists.
On May 2, the government quietly announced it would no longer support the access-to-information registry used by reporters, researchers and ordinary citizens to hold governments accountable. The Coordination of Access to Information Requests System (CAIRS) is a list of information requests filed with federal departments and agencies. Citizens wanting information on government activities could consult CAIRS and, if they spotted a request of interest, could ask for the contents of what was released under the request. Information disclosed in this way was often used to embarrass governments or contradict their claims. ...
"Without updates to the database, it will become only easier over time for federal departments to delay, obfuscate and potentially withhold valuable government information," said the release.
http://www.harperindex.ca/ViewArticle.cfm?Ref=00147
To Mike Peters:
Woe!
"American foreign policy IS creating hate for all Americans.
As Nazi Germany caused Hate for ALL Germans by many.
And Israel's Actions are causing Waves of Hatred For Jews; It is the "Jewish State" after all.
It is the most Hated country on Earth; Is the whole planet Anti-Semitic?
Or does Israel's Butchery over the Decades create anti-Semitism?
Of course it does. Victim's don't split hairs.
At a certain point they strap explosives to their body and fight back.
And I cheer them, and all oppressed people on."
Progressives did not blame (at least they shouldn't have)all Germans for Hitler; progressives around the world should not blame all (U.S.) Americans for Bush; and progressives should not blame all Jews for the policies and actions of the Israeli government. For Mike Peters to say that he cheers suicide bombers who don't care if those who they kill are babies, Israeli peace activists or right wing settlers is reprehensible, particularly if he rightly criticizes Israeli attacks on Hamas militants that kill innocent civilians.
I am an US Jewish peace activist who is critical of Israeli government actions. Am I a legitimate object of hatred for Bush's actions in Iraq; would I be a legitimate target for a Hamas suicide bomber?
I can't believe that the Canadian people, whom I admire, could have elected a tool like Harper. So how soon can you evict him?
I always thought of Canadians as generally more enlightened than Americans. So what the hell were Canadians thinking when they put that Bush clone Harper in power? What's up with that, Canada???!!!!
Edit for Cindy Sheehan: Happy Mother's Day to you. I know your son is smiling upon you. That was a great post you wrote. I am taken aback that Gavin Newsom would echo something similar to Harper. I thought he was progressive. Shows you how much I know. Anyways, I am awfully disappointed in Gavin. God Bless you, Cindy.
RE: I am an US Jewish peace activist who is critical of Israeli government actions. Am I a legitimate object of hatred for Bush's actions in Iraq
By Bush and Israel yeah - they consider you ego dystonic or a self-hating Jew. Even if you say that, as a Jew, you believe that Israel acting towards the Palestinians (like the NAZIs acted towards the Jews) is wrong. Even if your criticism of the policies of the Israeli government is because you believe what was done to your ancestors was wrong. Stephen Lewis (Naomi Klein's father-in-law) speaking about being Jewish and opposing Israeli policies - I picture you nodding on agreement on other things he says as well:
http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/video.php?id=1735
What Naomi Klein said at the first conference of the Alliance of Concerned Jewish Canadians:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NS0lVVpXjn0
RE: I can't believe that the Canadian people, whom I admire, could have elected a tool like Harper. So how soon can you evict him?
You need the ask the Liberals.
Forextrader - Harper only has a minority government (meaning he should be kissing astorix rather than calling the shots). Harper would not have been able to either hold onto power or install his policies if the Liberals were not going along with his agenda. Canada's biggest folly is in seeing the Liberals as a real alternative to Steve's Tories.
To vaudree @ 11.09 am. My Bushlite comment was in reply to the first two posting. You're right, he is the full Monty. "So long Steve" was in reference to Bush calling him Steve without knowing how Stevie feels about the name. Also, Vaudree 1.18 pm, the Liberal Party is definitely an alternative to the very right wing thinking of the Conservative Party. Not perfect for sure, but definitely better.
The Canadian media, like the American and now British versions, has been taken over by hardcore Zionists. What do you expect? If you have the media, the politicians dociley follow, or they find new careers.
pcsmith said: I can't believe that the Canadian people, whom I admire, could have elected a tool like Harper.
Well, we didn't really elect him as such. He has a minority government. It was due to the fact that the conservative party won many seats in Alberta & rural BC. Alberta is 'America-lite' where they worship the dollar... BC rural areas are mostly fundamentals. There will be another election as soon as the government is defeated in a confidence vote... but because the Liberal party doesn't think they can win with their weasel of a leader, they keep propping up Harper's government. We really don't have much of a good choice right now either... sad to say.
This Haroon Siddiqui really deserves a gold medal for bravery. His talent for speaking truth to power is truly second to none.
vaudree, you misunderstood me, the Conservative Party propaganda has no effect on me whatsoever. Harper is a lightweight and a Bush wannabe, sooner or later the Canadian people will figure it out. I do agree with your comments on Rae, simply the best politico in Ottawa with an extremely sharp mind. Too much baggage for the Liberal Party to overlook at the leadership convention however, a move they will regret as they cannot win with Dion who will cost them more than a few seats. The Liberal Party completely forgot about what the Canadian people want at their Convention, and only wanted what the party could compromise on - Dion. Personally I have nothing against Dion but the Liberals will not win with him as leader, not unless the Conservatives pull a "John Tory" like move.
carlosgold; hello. In my small library there are several books by Jews making the point that all Germans were complicit in Nazi criminality. debatable.
But not debatable is the terrible price Germany did, and the US & Israel do pay for their countries actions in the minds of people around the world. Hated by many, all three. Sad.
And I do cheer on the Palestinians as they fight your tanks in any way they can. Your tanks which kill children. Journalists. Rachel.
We reap what we sew. And the Reich of Zion shall not last for a Thousand Years. And here is why; it takes a while. BUT Right Makes Might. And Israel is in the wrong.
PS Do you recognize Palestines right to exist? Or nust your own?
For the record, my cousin's German grandmother hid people from the NAZIs. Sort of killed my "boys of Brazil" type theory concerning my cousin's father when my cousin made me read about it in the Globe and Mail after his grandmother died. It must have been really freaky for him growing up knowing that if the local soldiers found out what mommy was up to they'd all be dead.
On the other hand, there is Brian Mulroney's involvement with German Arms Dealer Karlheinz Schreiber who was given money from Franz Josef Strauss (whom Pat Martin describes as an "unrepentant NAZI") to elect Conservatives all over the world. What is the name of the company GWB's grandfather was involved with again - oh yes, Thyssen! Seems as if Thyssen is still in business.
Hey, I want to know how deep the stench goes, how the operation was set up (and what parts of the infrastructure is still in place), and whether any of this impacted FTA/NAFTA.
RE: "So long Steve" was in reference to Bush calling him Steve without knowing how Stevie feels about the name.
If Bush never called Harper "Steve" and if Harper's mother had never told the papers that her son hates being called that, then poor Danny Williams would have to find another way to annoy our own "Leave it to Stever."
RE: Also, Vaudree 1.18 pm, the Liberal Party is definitely an alternative to the very right wing thinking of the Conservative Party. Not perfect for sure, but definitely better.
You would have to be pretty pathetic not to be better. BTW, what do you think about Jack Layton on Lou Dobbs?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=N_MR7tL7tWs
And here is a link to when they were debating tax cuts in Parliament:
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=39&Ses=2&DocId=3376365
Opposition Motion—Corporate Tax Cuts - That, in the opinion of the House, the Conservative government's massive corporate tax cuts are destroying any balance between taxes for large profitable corporations and ordinary Canadians; they are stripping the fiscal capacity of the federal government; they are disproportionately benefiting the financial, oil and gas sectors, while leaving others behind, including manufacturing and forestry; and in so doing have failed to invest in those hard-hit sectors and the needs of everyday working Canadians; therefore, this House has lost confidence in the government.
And how your Liberals responded to this motion (just included enough snippets to make most people on here gag):
Hon. Robert Thibault (West Nova, Lib.): ... It is rich to listen to this because we know what the New Democratic members' economic policy is: their support for small businesses is to take all large businesses, tax them all the way down to small businesses, give subsidies to bankrupt businesses, and tax profitable businesses. They have no vision at all on economics and are quite disingenuous on social programs.
Hon. John McCallum (Markham—Unionville, Lib.): ... The simple fact of the matter is that Liberals understand that wealth creation and social justice are both important, whereas the federal NDP, mired in the class wars of the 1960s, does not care about wealth creation and does not understand the first thing about it.
We on this side of the House understand that Canada, in a global economy, is in competition with many countries, not least of which is the United States, to attract capital and jobs to this country and to retain our domestic capital and companies.
We understand that living next door to the world's only superpower we have to create a special Canadian advantage, so that we can be able to level the playing field and compete with the United States. ...
Therefore, we need to create a new Canadian advantage to attract capital and jobs to this country and that new Canadian advantage, according to the Liberal Party, and we said this weeks before the government did, is to create a low corporate tax rate, a corporate tax rate substantially lower than the United States, something in the order of 10 percentage points. ...
The true numbers indicate that the reconstructed social democratic movement of the world understands globalization, understands global realities, and those countries have adjusted. They understand that in order to create wealth, jobs and productivity we have to compete with lower corporate tax rates and those countries have done it.
The federal NDP members are in the class war mentality where any corporate tax cut is just seen as a sop to the rich. ...
There is a certain chicken and egg question here. Why are the federal NDP members almost alone in the world in being the Neanderthal version of the global social democratic movement?
So now the Zionists are getting a taste of their own tactics and guess what??
They don't like it.. How can the Prime Minister of Canada be so unashamedly pro-Zionist and get away with it??
vaudree, John McCallum (Lib. Markham-Union) doesn't seem to get it. In the '60's we actually had a middle class, just like the U.S. The assault on our working poor and middle class since then have been nothing short of breathtaking. The only place I can think of where it has been worse is the U.S.
I used to watch Lou Dobbs a lot when he had the 6:00 pm slot, not so much anymore. Talk about a drastic change in attitudes, the Lou Dobbs of today is vastly different then the Lou Dobbs of 2001 - 2004.
To Mike Peters:
They are not my tanks. I wrote that I am a Jewish peace activist critical of Israeli government actions. I have advocated a Palestinian State for over 30 years. I oppose Israeli actions that harm Palestinian civilians. You, on the other hand, say it is okay to kill Israeli civilians (whether left, right, Zionist or not, babies or elderly).
BobBeaSea, John McCallum was speaking on behalf of the Liberal Party of Canada - the party some want to replace Harper's Conservatives - he was not just voicing his own personal views at the time. In brackets is the party affiliation and the riding (ie voting district) he represents.
Personally, I think that the NDP knew that the motion would be defeated (since neither the Liberals or Conservatives would support it). I have a feeling that passages from this pre-vote debate is going to end up on election materials.
This particular sub-episode of Lou Dobbs you should see. Lou Dobbs acts as if he has just found a kindred spirit in Jack Layton (who represents the political Left in Canada). What is ironic is that Jack managed to word his responses so that they were both consistent with Lou Dobbs views and long standing NDP policy.
Personally I think that Obama may have a point with his bitter speech - though his honesty could have been presented with more diplomatic language. Then again there was Clinton who basically called her supporters trailer trash.
Back to topic.
Seems like when government officials are engaging in corruption, it is best that the voters' attention is diverted towards an external enemy. Who was it again in Israel who is up on corruption charges?
Carlosgold and Mike Peters - there is a difference between what should happen and what does happen. What should happen is the person who saw his sisters and parents killed by Israeli soldiers and his grandmother die at a crossing point on the way to the hospital should be able to tell the difference between these Jews and all Jews. What does happen is that if you don't see enough of the "good" Jews (who don't murder Palestinians and who are against the genocidal policies of the Israeli governemnt), you tend to forget that they exist. Pain and fear tends to generalise hate.
And some of those "not-so-good" Jews grew up on a steady diet of fear - though only the truly evil Jews promote this atmosphere of mutual hate to satisfy their greed. Greed is what makes one truly evil - not hate.
nahida - nothing to add.