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TechnoratiClinton's Diminishing of Black Voters
In her long, sad self-diminution to being merely a white candidate for subsegments of white people, Hillary Clinton claimed to USA Today this week, "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on." Clinton exploited an Associated Press poll to say how "Senator Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me . . . There's a pattern emerging here.
"This was on top of Democratic strategist and Clinton supporter Paul Begala saying this week on CNN, "We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans. OK. That's the Dukakis coalition, which carried 10 states and gave us four years of the first George Bush. President Clinton, you know, reached across and got a whole lot of Republicans and independents to come."
This reaches across the aisle all right, straight to right-wing talk show host Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh, who has been urging people to vote for Clinton to prolong the Democratic primaries, said this week, "Barack Obama has shown he cannot get the votes that Democrats need to win: blue-collar working people. He can get effete snobs. He can get wealthy academics and he can get the young, he can get the black vote, that's about it."
Obama just got done being tarred and feathered as an elitist by Clinton and the talk shows for belittling "bitter" people in jobless small towns who "cling to guns or religion." Yes, that was dumb.
Yet here is Clinton dancing all over stereotypes. There is no way you can say in the same sentence, "hard-working Americans, white Americans," without diminishing black Americans as lazy.
Can you imagine the Jeremiah Wright-level furor if Obama turned Begala's words upside down and said: "We cannot win with the working class and white people. OK. That's the Reagan coalition?"
The truth is that Clinton is in denial about one of the key reasons for her slide from inevitability. She choked on the black vote. Conveniently forgotten in her reinvention in Pennsylvania as Rocky Balboa (who conveniently was a white working-class boxer trying to beat down a black champion), is that this white woman led Obama in an October 2007 CNN poll, 68 percent to 25 percent among black women and was nearly dead even with Obama among black men.
It was not just that Obama stunned the conventional political world. It was also, as this column has pointed out, because of steady dollops of racial and religious innuendo from surrogates, most notably husband Bill Clinton and former vice presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro. All the love built up between the Clintons and black folks became love and war when a black man stood between them and their castle.
The problem for Clinton is that this is another case in which her math does not add up. Yes, every voter the Democrats can get their hands on is critical. But all this talk about Obama not connecting with salt of the earth white folks cynically forgets that white leaders in the Democratic Party have not solved this problem since Jimmy Carter's 48 percent of the white vote in 1976, yet want to make Obama the poster child for it despite his multi-racial crowds and record turnouts of voters. In the late throes of her insurgency, to borrow from Dick Cheney, Clinton is playing "divide and doubt" about Obama getting "only" 37 percent of the white vote in North Carolina and Pennsylvania and 40 percent in Indiana.
But in a year in which Republican enthusiasm is in doubt with a bad war and a bummer economy, it must be remembered that Bill Clinton won the presidency in 1992 in three-way races with a grand total of 39 percent of the white vote and 83 percent of the black vote and 61 percent of the Hispanic vote and besting the first President Bush and Ross Perot among all age groups.
Ironically, Obama got to where he is by not being the "black" candidate. It is Clinton who is now the race candidate, diminishing black voters and eggheads, her final hopes resting on the thinnest of eggshells.
Derrick Z. Jackson can be reached at jackson@globe.com.
© 2008 Boston Globe
74 Comments so far
Show AllI am a black 37 year old mother of 5 and an Hillary supporter. I personally do not believe that Obama has the experience he needs yet to be president. He did get alot of momentum but I believe that alot of that came from our population voting for him in hopes of getting a black candidate just as a lot of white women are voting for Hillary for the same reasons. I listened to some of my friends and family tell me they were voting for him because he was black just as I listened to other friends and family say they were voting for Hillary or McCain because they were white. This country will always function to some extent on race. Of course when Bill said it he was crucified for it. Truth is truth. What we need to do is boil it down to the person who can get the job done and allow us to get a democrat in office and fix all the mess this country is in. I do believe that Hillary is better qualified and would be better in a match up against McCain. Obama has been speaking about the change he will bring but I haven't seen any details about how he plans on accomplishing any of it. I also like Hillarys Healthcare plan. In healthcare our country should be ashamed. Everything boils down to the money. When someone who is on the verge of losing their life is transfer to another hospital because they have no insurance and dies because time ran out that is ridiculous. It also seems to me that Obama is now sucking up to the citizens of Michigan and Florida. Yes, there was/is a problem that needs to be corrected. Regardless of which side of the fence you are on I want a president who is going to fight for the rights of the people who put them into office. When you are no more concerned about whether my vote counts until we call you on it that shows me you really don't care unless it suits you. Of course politicians will tell you what you want to hear; I just don't like what I'm hearing from him. If Obama wins the nomination and Hillary is not on the ticket I will either write her in or stay home. I have to vote for the person I believe is best suited to do the job and I just don't believe he is alone. He's just made to many errors.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MWZjY2YzZWVkMjdkMDEzMGQ0MjJkNTUyN2FkNmMzYTc=
I recommend that Hillary and Bill read Dr. Seuss' "THE SNEECHES". Dr. Seuss was VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN RACIAL PROBLEMS. He used children's books to say it.
I hope I get to see people LIKE ME, who have been GENETICALLY CHANGED as to RACE, tell off all the racists and bigots in the USA!
Yes, it HAS BEEN DONE. Science in the USA is 'WAY AHEAD OF WHAT YOU REALIZE. I have been changed back and forth SEVERAL TIMES. It was done to prove that RACE DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. I FOUND OUT when I retired.
I wonder what people will think when the race-change procedure can be done as commonly as cosmetic surgery?
Maybe this information will come out sooner if Obama gets to be president! Most likely, it will be known to all in a few years anyway.
If you count African-American voters as 3/5 of a person you're a racist prick – not even funny…
sjc_1 [May 11th, 2008 2:32 pm] wrote: "A lot of blacks will vote for Hillary Clinton, but a lot of whites will not vote for Obama. They do not know enough about him and they are not going to take a chance of making a mistake. People know Hillary Clinton. You may like her or not, but at least you know her."
Actually, sjc_1, at this point, after the campaign Hillary has run, a lot of blacks will NOT vote for Hillary -- they are disgusted with her. As far as America not knowing Obama, neither did the white people in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa or many other white-bread states that Obama won. Hillary was far ahead in all of the states I cited, and then they got to know Obama and he won. He'll have the summer and fall to let white people get to know him and, compared to the blinky, flip-flopping McCain, I think most whites will vote for him rather than four more years of Bush and the GOP.
Don't forget, McCain is not popular with large sections of the base of the GOP -- most Christopublicans don't like him and the Bush neocons don't trust him.
McCain's 'base' is the Big Media, and the far right that owns the GOP these days has been trained to reject anything the Big Media endorse.
Hillary's problem, BTW, is that people know her -- and half of the voters don't like her.
Kayaker [May 11th, 2008 4:09 pm] wrote: "I traveled in eastern Oregon recently. This is the 'red' half of Oregon where 'hard working white people' live as well as some native americans. I saw several 'Obama for President' signs. I didn't see a single Clinton sign or a single McCain sign. If Obama actually has eastern Oregon in his pocket then there is no stopping him! However, I believe that a nation which re-elected George W. Bush will put McCain in the White House. It will be close but the war monger will be the people's choice by one or two per-centage points thanks to States that use electronic voting machines with no paper trail."
I agree with the first part, but I disagree with the second -- I think this election is shaping up to be such a blow-out for the Dems that it will be hard for the GOP to cheat McCain's way into the White House. If exit polls around the nation show Obama winning by a substantial margin, instead of just Ohio, there will be a lot of 'splainin' to do by the Big Media and the GOP if McCain wins and I don't think they want to risk that kind of scrutiny.
MikeBinSC [May 12th, 2008 12:11 am], I agree, it's probably too late for Edwards. It'll probably be Richardson or maybe Webb, due to his miltary and gov't experience -- either one would be a good choice, as well, but not as good as Edwards.
vinlander _ perfect!
sjc_1,
Not sure where you're coming up with the idea that "A lot of blacks will vote for Hillary Clinton, but a lot of whites will not vote for Obama."
When the race began, Clinton had a huge portion of the Black vote. It began decreasing as the (perceived as racial)attacks on Obama by her and Bill escalated.
The Clintons have lost the Black vote. As for Whites not voting for Obama, I think history does not share your opinion. Obama has won in some of the whitest states we have. He just picked up another huge union, 600,000 members strong, all of which are most certainly not Black.
But this is all moot. He is the nominee.
Right on Rich M. Write on.
Hillary is AHEAD in the Popular Vote if you count African-American voters as 3/5 of a person
This says it even better:
http://www.newsfollowup.com/bushfortune.htm
"Bush / Clinton Suspicious Death List intro: The editors and staff at NewsFollowUp.com are finally realizing that we are uncovering one of the most incredible political stories of modern history. It best can be described by getting out the idea of 'limited hangout' and applying it to the past 25 years of Bush / Reagan / Clinton administrations. Bill and Hillary Clinton are still in the process of hoodwinking the world including Democrats, Republicans and Progressives. The Clinton impeachment was just a smokescreen to launch the neo-con PNAC agenda 'under the radar'. The Clinton's are / were an integral part of the neo-con operation. Osama bin Laden is their creation. They (Cheney and Israel) piggy-backed their operation on top of bin Laden's 9/11 mission; it all went very smoothly. The Clinton healthcare initiative, OJ Simpson trial, Iraq sanctions, and countless media tricks were all necessary parts of the decades-long run-up to the invasion of Iraq. Countless duped Republicans like Falwell, Limbaugh, fell into the trap and were unwitting coconspirators. The lists of names on this page are just a few of the people who got in the way and had to be 'taken care of'....all very fascinating and tragic. ....New York Times Crazy Clinton, 1997, and file"
Of course McSame wont use anything that trashes Bush but We will have the reality anyway of a powerful crooked Dynasty waiting for Obama to exit by force or "accident".
We saw what happend when JFK was talked into Johnson as VP.
Here is what Obama can not stop around our necks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cftY6jL_7M
Daniel,
I think the Clintons will help Obama beat McSame by just saying they will vote for him and support him but if she is the VP the Republican attack machine will just concentrate on her and they will have all the ammo ready to go.... her negative ratings are over the top and the way the Clintons have conducted her campaign will make Obama vulnerable, not for being black but for having the Clinton's baggage around our necks...
google "Bush Clinton financial connections" and you can get an idea of what is in store and Obama will feel obligated to protect those connections where they both have covered up JFK and more war profiteering.
If it was Obama/Edwards, We would have a genuine fighter and Southerner for the working man on our team.... a positive instead of the negative.
The Clintons are just what Rush Limbaugh and McBush want and as VP it only makes it easier for them.
What good is a vote for Cynthia McKinney? Is it a protest vote; a statement to be made in lieu of any viable candidate?
Rich,
Your postings at CD have taken on a very familiar pattern for some time now.
They always seem to reiterate the following things: 1) that you will be voting for Cynthia McKinney; 2) that Obama cannot win against McCain (always a faith claim rather than a supported argument); 3) that HRC is a better candidate than Obama; 4) that Obama supporters are deluded (Obamamaniacs, Obamabots, etc.)
In addition, anyone who disagrees with you seems to get dismissed as an "Obamamaniac" or some such thing. That's hardly the case (at least it doesn't apply to me). I would imagine that a number of the people who have been critical of the Clinton campaign or of Clinton's candidacy, have a wide range of views on Obama.
You seem to admit none of this, however. From your postings, yours seem to be a very stark worldview where anyone who criticizes HRC has to be a brainwashed Obamamaniac. Can you imagine how insulting this must appear?
You say you hope "Obama can be stopped." That's fine, but what's your proposal? Are you hoping that HRC can somehow miraculously pick up enough superdelegates to hand her the nomination? If so, then you appear to be the delusional one. This is land of Cockaigne thinking.
So what's the basis for this hope? Barring some bizarre, unforeseen occurence, Obama will be the Democratic party's nominee. I guess that means (for you) that the apocalypse has come and we must all prepare ourselves for 4 years of John McCain.
I'm certainly not trying to sell you on Obama, but I find it rather amusing that you seem to routinely ignore HRC's major flaws as a candidate. Clintonian triangulation characterized her husband's presidency just as it has shaped her own campaign strategy, and yet I regularly have the sense from your posts that you expect her to abandon all of this and show herself to be some sort of progressive should she somehow (miraculously at this point) win the nomination.
I'm under no delusions about Obama. I expect he will be a very moderate DP candidate, an heir of many of Bill and Hillary Clinton's political strategies. But I'm convinced she'd do exactly the same thing. Her 11th hour embrace of John McCain's proposed gas tax holiday is just one sign of this.
Obviously you're free to continue repeatedly posting the same 4 points, but a bit more variety would be nice, particularly as you have made some good points in the past about the need to build progressive/left culture in this country if a progressive movement is to have a real chance of spreading.
I'm voting for Cynthia McKinney. She is truly progressive, and ironically she is both black and a woman!
I am hoping Obama can be stopped. If he can't I'm certain John McCain will win in November. Read Glenn Greenwald's superb "Great American Hypocrites" - the media is in love with John McCain and that's not going to change. We can never underestimate voters' ability to vote against their own best interests! I am hoping 527's will put out hard-hitting ads exposing McCain's actual record & his true life story, rather than the myth he will try to convince us is true. Obama is unlikely to do it.
Hi, RSJ-
While I would love to see an Obama-Edwards ticket, I'm concerned that the possibility of that is getting less and less likely as time passes with no Edwards endorsement of Barack.
Edwards was on one of the talk shows Sunday and still has not endorsed anyone. I think he's trying too hard not to piss in anybody's corn flakes, and that is going to cost him, at least the big job.
I think Bill Richardson's chances of being tapped for VP are increasing daily. He could help in the western states and with the hispanic voters.
I traveled in eastern Oregon recently. This is the 'red' half of Oregon where 'hard working white people' live as well as some native americans. I saw several 'Obama for President' signs. I didn't see a single Clinton sign or a single McCain sign. If Obama actually has eastern Oregon in his pocket then there is no stopping him! However, I believe that a nation which re-elected George W. Bush will put McCain in the White House. It will be close but the war monger will be the people's choice by one or two per-centage points thanks to States that use electronic voting machines with no paper trail.
I find it ironic that atheist and I share the same protest vote, Cynthia McKinney. Unlike atheist, who plans to vote for McKinney if Obama wins the nomination, I plan to vote for McKinney if Clinton somehow manages to win or hijack the nomination.
Voting for McKinney, who is a woman, would be my way of showing that I don't oppose Clinton because she is a woman. It's because I can't stomach her sell outs to conservatives.
Voting for McKinney, who is African American, would be my way of protesting how Clinton has run a racially divisive campaign.
Finally, and perhaps most importantly, McKinney, like Obama, opposed invading Iraq when it counted, back in 2002. I just can't stomach voting for another Democratic presidential candidate who, to paraphrase John Kerry, supported invading Iraq before opposing the invasion.
I wonder what atheist's reasoning is?
At this point, it looks like Obama has all but won the nomination. If you look at Obama's background, he understands the struggles of working people far more than Clinton or McCain and deserves everyone's support. However, I don't think Clinton should drop out of the campaign.
I think Clinton will be doing herself and the party a great service if she continues to run and starts runs a positive campaign that is focused on unifying the party and healing the divisions that she has thus far stoked. The problem is that she has yet to do this. That makes it nearly impossible for Obama and Clinton supporters to stop going after each other and focus on the fall campaign.
I also want to make it clear that I don't approve of sexist attacks against Clinton anymore than I approve of racial divisiveness or propaganda questioning Obama's patriotism or religious beliefs. The difference is that I have seen little to suggest that any sexism is actually coming out of the Obama campaign, from some Obama supporters perhaps, but not from the Obama campaign itself. In contrast, the racial divisiveness and anti-Obama propaganda all too often appears to be coming directly from the Clinton campaign. Clinton really needs to put an end to this, whether it is by running a positive campaign for the remainder of the primaries or dropping out and endorsing Obama. If she does not do one of these two and McCain wins the general election, the blame for it will fall completely on Clinton's shoulders.
yes clintons are known by anyone that is NOT blind.. but the ones that are not blind KNOWS the clintons are corrupt to the core and that is why the voters of hillary has low education.. they cannot figure out things.. so clintons voters DO NOT KNOW HER.. they are too blind to be able to KNOW HER...
now the wise DO know her as a real MONSTER.. with obama one cannot know much without a real record.. BUT that is head and shoulders better than a KNOWN monster.....
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!
A lot of blacks will vote for Hillary Clinton, but a lot of whites will not vote for Obama. They do not know enough about him and they are not going to take a chance of making a mistake. People know Hillary Clinton. You may like her or not, but at least you know her.
To add more inanity to this conversation I would say the big – and overlooked news is that Monica doesn't swallow. It was never reported. I never heard or read about it. If she did we would be impeaching Bush as we speak for it wouldn't have set the bar so low for an impeachment as in the case of Bill Clinton. Now I suppose someone will reply in such a way as to show their selves to be clever, disgusted, smarter or just plain old more savvy then my stupid comment. Who cares?
EVERYTHING about the clintons is about CORRUPTION!!!
and EVERYTHING about their supporters is about corruption OR dumb as a rock people who can't see corruption...
we have in this forum people who pretend they are trying to reason on issues but instead are intentionally trying to be dishonest .... these are dishonest and immoral people . a couple of these are kem patrick and bob k..
now lets look at this thing called Everything with the clintons is about corruption!!!.
lets look at the voting of indiana.....marion county indianapolis and lake county where gary ind is .... marion county has LESS blacks as a percent of the population than lake county... with this one would predict that a higher percent of a win by obama would be in lake county...... BUT BUT BUT look at this... marion county obama won by 12%.. but in the county with a slightly less black percent he won by 34%... proving one thing.. THERE was big time corruption in lake county for clinton... and proving obama really won indiana..
the clintons are TRYING and working with the republicans to help with corruption... trying to help rush limbaugh work corruption with trying to get republican voters to PRETEND they are voting for hillary in order to make it SEEM obama is weaker than he is.... when doing this.. this WILL cause some to think he is.. but not the wise... .. the republicans doing this are crossing over and voting who will NOT be voting for a democrat or clinton in the election.. so its a fruad and false and phony vote..
now get this... the most easy way for these repubs to try to influence by corruption is with these polling with clinton aganst mccain and obama against mccain.... the republicans when presented with clinton will say they are for clinton instead of mccain and this makes it look like hillary is the stronger candidate against mccain..
now the clintons KNOW all this corruption is going on ... they want it and encourage it..and this is why also her voters have the least education .. picking the most dumb is what the corruption people will do...and working them like a drum...
nearly all of her supporters in politics are also corrupt to the core people.. gov rendell of pa.. evan bayh of indiana.... black congressman charlie rengel of ny..
now rengals district is mostly black.. during the primary they voted more for hillary.. BUT there has been proven many precents did NOT even have a single vote for obama at first... then some who DID vote came out and challenged those totals so they had to revise and give some to obama.... so the truth is we do not know who really won rengels district hillary or obama....
BUT now the crooked rengel KNOWS he COULD be seen as crooked from his district and mostly black and him supporting clinton... he could be in trouble politically especially if the voting is carefully watched.. he MAY turn on hillary in order to PROTECT his crookedness... he seems to already be doing that blasting hillary for talking about hardworking whites won't vote for obama... but rengel already with all this has been proven corrupt.. BUT now he will try to HIDE !!
hillaryz use of this flawed logic of saying obama won't get dumb white votes... she should also be saying that SHE will not get a big group too.... the blacks and the independents and the young ... so her saying that proves another corruption type of act...
hillary was proven corrupt with how she did the mich and fla primary.. first signing and agreeing that their election should not county cause of them pushing their primary in front of the super tuesday group.. doing so would have HURT all the super tuesday states .. the smaller 4 states before were selected to give candidates with less money and name recognition a FAIR shake and let the voters decide with alot of FAIR campaigning.. this is why no other states should go ahead...UNFAIR and hurts to find the true BEST candidate...
the clintons will find the BEST way to exit.. the BEST way is for them to lower obama as far as they can but not so far it will backfire on them big time.. also they will exit in a way to try to enrich themselves... maybe stayng to get fundraisers for them and more money for them...they will TRY to set it up like they are a HERO with their exit in order to get as much power and influence as possible and to lower obama as much as possible...
the clintons are the most corrupt politicians in the history of america...... and their supporters are either corrupt to the core people or dumb as a rock !!!! its just as simple as that!!!!
Jacob Freeze [May 10th, 2008 2:51 pm], thanks for all of the meaningless numbers -- it really seemed from all of the impressive percentages that you were making some kind of point.
I didn't quite find any conclusion to what you posted, but I noticed you left out Obama's wins in such mainly white states as Maine, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Kansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, Wyoming, Utah, Vermont and Iowa. How did Obama ever beat Hillary by 17 points in Wisconsin, a 'working class' state with a very low black population? But thanks anyway for the sound and fury signifying nothing.
atheist [May 10th, 2008 4:22 pm] wrote: "Clinton has many many supporters, as many (or nearly as many) as Obama."
If that's true, then why hasn't she won more states and more elected delegates? But I agree that any 'Clinton-bashing 'is sort of beside the point now. It's all over but the shouting and she's not going to be the nominee.
Rich Griffin [May 10th, 2008 5:50 pm] wrote: "Obama's supporters have alienated MILLIONS of voters. We will be stuck with McCain because the Obamaniacs don't understand they have supported a sure loser. He doesn't deserve to be President. It's all so sad."
I don't know about your 'MILLIONS' figure, Rich Griffin, but I personally know three white women in their 50's, Hillary's core support group, who backed Clinton in January and have shifted to Obama because of their utter disgust with her campaign tactics and her lies. I can't believe these are the only women in America who have been disgusted by what Hillary's campaign has done since Super Tuesday.
I don't know why Obama 'doesn't deserve' to be president, unless you have a problem with his skin color, but when you accuse him of being a 'sure loser' you might take into account this quote from Jamison Foser at Media Matters:
"... The millions of conservatives who have spent decades learning to loathe the 'liberal media' aren't going to change their minds just because much of the news media cover John McCain the way Teen Beat covered Menudo. For reasons having little to do with his reliably right-wing voting record, a sizable chunk of the GOP base has never trusted McCain; the media's embrace of him will simply confirm their doubts about both McCain and journalists rather than warming them to either."
-- Jamison Foser, Media Matters, May 9, 2008.
http://mediamatters.org/items/printable/200805090012
That's right, as the Big Media reporters covering McCain continue to gleefully fawn over him and paper over his mistakes, the thundering irony is crashing down, wrapped around a tire-iron: McCain's embrace by the MSM will end up costing him the election as GOP voters on the right, 'educated' by the Right Wing Attack Machine to loathe and dismiss the 'liberal' media, desert McCain because he is adored by the object of the Neocon White Noisemaker's 30-year war of hate!
Aside from that, the evangelical Christian base of the GOP is splintering apart -- many of them, like Rick Warren, want to be more liberal in social issues like fighting poverty and health care, and others are sick and tired of being used by the Republicans for votes every two years and then not having the GOP fulfill their agenda.
Add to that the collapsing economy, the unpopular failures in the Middle East that are only getting worse, rising gas prices, and Bush's record as the president with the lowest approval rating in history. McCain's joined at the hip with Bush, he's a terrible campaigner, and he's radically flip-flopped on nearly every single important issue.
Obama's a fair man, but he's not going to ignore his opponent's flagrant weaknesses, and they are legion.
I know progressives have been down for a long time in this country, and for good reason, but let's stop thinking like pessimistic losers -- all of the signs are that the big, bad Republican Party is falling apart and their old 'divide and conquer' tricks aren't working.
For proof, as Agi [May 11th, 2008 9:04 am] also pointed out, just look at the recent special elections where Dems won after the GOP threw every standard Rove dirty campaigning trick at them -- unpatriotic, defeatist, tax-and-spend liberal, soft on crime and terrorism -- the whole nine yards. Yet even Denny Hastert lost his seat in a 'safe' Republican district. The country's in too bad of a shape and the GOP has gone too far -- everyone is tired of them -- even Frank Luntz knows it. (Did you hear Luntz doesn't want to be called a Republican anymore?)
The GOP can't campaign on eight years of success and prosperity, so they have to go to the sleaze, but the sleaze isn't working this year.
As far as the voting machines, they have to keep it close to cheat. If there is too much disparity between the exit polls and the vote count nationwide, it will look suspicious and the game will be up.
Not to get too far ahead, but we might as well get used to saying 'President Obama' right now.
BTW, Rich Griffin, who would you vote for if Cynthia McKinney was named ambassador to South Africa and Nader was appointed head of the EPA?
MikeBinSC [May 10th, 2008 10:25 pm], Hi, Mike, and if you remember we both supported Edwards here at CD. Obviously, I've switched to Obama as well. There's still a chance for an Obama-Edwards ticket, if JE would agree to be 'Best Man' again. It would be a winner, I'm sure of that.
LOL, canuckchuck [May 11th, 2008 3:13 am], yes, Hillary seems to be very good at attracting the Forrest Gump voters.
"And Monica reached under the desk and got HIM to come."
I've always wondered what she was doing wearing a dress? I read he had the door locked and it was late at night. If not for the infamous stained dress, and Monica's -- ahem -- big mouth, there would have been no evidence on him -- on her, maybe, but not him. (Ok, that's enough.)
It's good news that so many Republicans bitterly cling to the delusion that the Karl Rove playbook of Swift-boating and race-baiting can work as it did four and eight years ago. You can't surf a blog without someone stirring racial division. This may help rally the anti-Obama vote. But that contingent will be more than offset in November by mobilized young voters, blacks and women, among them many Clinton-supporting Democrats (and independents and Republicans) unlikely to entertain a G.O.P. candidate with a perfect record of voting against abortion rights. Even a safe Republican Congressional seat in Louisiana fell to a Democrat last weekend, despite a campaign by his opponent that invoked Mr. Obama as a bogeyman.
Is it really about Hillary being nefarious? Perhaps she is acting in the only way she knows and that is the political model that has dominated her generation, culminating in that icon, Rove. Senator Obama has been very skilled in his ability to tamp down the race baiting and personal attacks and return to his core message, that the American people absolutely have to wrest control from the Military-industrial-political machine, and recover the spirit of our great Constitution and the Bill of rights. "The urgency of now"
It is really simple folks...Hillary Clinton is a known Bush enabler, and CANNOT be allowed to win the nomination.
The republicans know that no matter who they put up this year, they wont win...that is why they put that senile two faced old fart up for the race...they are actually counting on Hillary to be their "man". She is the Republican ghost candidate.
I wish I could loan my self 4 million dollars. I could sure use it now as I am really bitter today (and yesterday, and the day before that). Is the war still going on? Just wondering.
Don't get mean. Vote Green.
"whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me . . . There's a pattern emerging here."
Yes, dumb ass white trash love Hellary...great
"President Clinton, you know, reached across and got a whole lot of Republicans and independents to come."
And Monica reached under the desk and got HIM to come.
"All this fuss over a political whore? In a few weeks she will crawl back into her Senate seat and continue to get rich by selling out the American people."
Hoa binh
Shame on you Hoa binh! She's NOT a political whore. She's a corporate whore...
Atheist, I wasn't referring to the Stones song as a protest song. I meant that the women who aren't getting what they want, Hillary nominated, may instead get what they need, Obama. That is my opinion.
Also, my remark to Oldbadgertoo about Obama getting the young female vote means that women are not a monolithic group that have just been entirely disenfranchised because Hillary will not be nominated, as Oldbadger suggested.
Wow. Just scrolled through many posts. Rational posters have become irrational, posters I've never heard of before with the "ageism, sexism, misogyny, lesbian(is that bad?), lech", on and on.
I know it is an Election year we are thread bare after 8 years of that. Tomorrow reread what that was all about, gheez...
JBPeebles May 10th, 2008 12:53 pm
Wow, I guess the Obama fans really have sorted out all the facts for us. Hillary is a whore!
He was referring to "Political Whores", not calling Hillary a whore, calm down.
Anyway, I voted for Obama, will write in Dennis if something occurs in so far as Iraq or AIPAC pandering(anymore anyway)yet today at a friends I was crossing through the living room and Senator Obama was speaking, "I will bring an end to the war in Iraq and bring our troops home...", I yelled, with other Veterans for Peace yelling"WHAT WTF WHAT????", I told them what he said, we were so elated. More in the tone of a Presidential candidate, yet too soon so I will bide time and call Dennis. I trust no one but Kucinich any more. I need whens, hows, dates, lots 'o things....
Time heals all wounds.
I was an enthusiastic supporter of John Edwards (still am) and I fought tooth-and-nail with Obama supporters here at CD until Edwards gave up his bid for the nomination. At that time, I thought that there was no way that I could support Obama, but I was wrong. There is no doubt that between Hillary and Barack, Obama is by far the superior candidate and the one with the most progressive values. Barack will destroy McCain in the general, and many of those who say now that they will not vote for him, well, they will see the light long before November. The polls mean nothing now, but after Obama is the nominee and his running mate is named, polls will become more valid.
Hillary should drop out now!
Obama '08
By the way, McCain is not a war hero.
He, like Bush and Cheney, has been a coward all his life.
"Listening to Hillary Clinton's top aides trying to put a good face on the results of the Indiana primary had the same surreal quality as an aide to Hitler reporting "encouraging news" from Stalingrad. Her candidacy died on May 5. She needed at least a 10 per cent win in Indiana and in the end she scraped through by not much more than 16,000 votes. Every day she stays in the race now means more zeroes on her campaign debt which probably tops $25 million, when all the IOUs are counted. Hillary might have to go back into the cattle futures business.
There's talk of Mrs Clinton telling Obama that the price of concession is that he settle her campaign debt and take her on the ticket. He's got the money though he should for worthier purposes. As for the number 2 spot, what does it take to keep the Clintons clear of the White House? A stake through both their hearts? An Aztec priest with a really sharp piece of obsidian? If ever a campaign disclosed low moral and political fiber, it was this one. Bill ended up as a petulant sleazeball and Hillary as a war drum thumper, marching shoulder to shoulder with John McCain, shouting that she's the candidate of the white people.
There's no better paradigm of the corruption of the Clintons than the pardon handed by Bill to billionaire Marc Rich in the dying seconds of the Clinton administration. Jeffrey St Clair has excavated the whole sleazo saga in fascinating detail in our latest newsletter, available to subscribers only. "Bill and the Rich Women" is must reading, as is the view taken by Rich's powerful lawyers that Hillary Clinton was key to the pardon."
--- Alexander Cockburn
Jacob Freeze,
Sure are a lot of "if onlys" there.
atheist,
And just what has been your illustrious contribution to society?
Amazing: black voters overwhelmingly supporting Obama. I guess they are just a little tired of the wonderful treatment from the white power structure. Or, maybe, they were tired of being called "uncle toms" for voting for whitey all the time (like there was a choice). But really Freeze, all you are saying: black people are stupid and vote based on color. Right? I am so confused. Whatever dude.
I am in favor of a female POTUS - just not this one. Still, if she were the nominee, I would vote for her. But, that ain't gonna happen.
Hillary Clinton a "saint?" Please. What on earth are you smoking? The immature voters in this country need to get past race and sex as the big issues and concentrate on whether the person is competent and honorable. Unfortunately, Hillary doesn't fit into that category.
If what Obama-fans are emitting here is anything to go by: They make Hillary Clinton (and her lousy tactics) still look like a saint by comparison.
SHAME ON YOU AND YOUR MISOGYNY!
atheist: "think he is a self-serving egomaniac"
And you're saying that Hillary isn't an egomaniac as he supposedly is? Come on, give me a break, you've got to come up with something better than this.
The problem is that Hillary is attempting to distract voters from the issues, like where all the jobs (besides fast food jobs) have gone, why is it getting harder and harder to get by (the reverse of progress), etc. Instead of encouraging people to think about their futures, and their childrens' futures, she wants them to instead just think about race and who's "elite" or not.
She's trying her darndest to make sure that people do not vote based on the issues. And that's a shame because the democratic party has a real opportunity to be the party that addresses the issues and distinguish itself from the pander-to-the-rich-and-pay-lip-service-to-"values" republican party.
Who is reducing this election to race ? I'm white, I want to see a black President. If Hillary doesn't win the nomination, I'm voting for Cynthia McKinney. And for all of the white people who end up not voting for a half-black man, don't assume they are doing so for racial reasons. I can't stand Obama, I think he is a self-serving egomaniac whose #1 concern is himself, not our country. Has nothing to do with race whatsoever.
If you want to blame a Dem loss on someone, try Obama. He and his rabid supporters are the ones who created this muck-fest, the media enabled it, and the Dem leaders failed to stop it before it created permanent irreversable damage.
atheist: don't be so sure. the clinton republican lite was a joke. on him. he got played by the school yard bullies even as he was kissing their hind quarters. no. this is for real now. and as a white working class voter, i say give bill and hill a final cigaret, a blindfold, and a brick wall to stand in front of.
you can guess the rest. reducing this election to race, while america stands on the brink of collapse is tantamount to treson. i've read mcbeth. i've no need to see it played out in real time on american soil. if the people of this country don't take charge, get beyond of mid-evil considerations of race and sexual orientation and which god you mindlessly adhere to, well, say goodbye. and unlike the bushes, the haliburtons et al, we can't just move to paraguy or dubai. we're stuck. and we'd better start getting it right. other democracies might be worth studying in the event they may have some insights on how to manage health care, the military, international relations,
education, their tax dollars. so far this american country has the attitude of a stooges movie: what? they've discovered a cure for cancer in france? yuck, yuck, yuck! forget it you nitwit. we'll find our own.
Dummy, she was talking to an audience in PA. Get it ? Are you that ignorant ? (You've already answered that question.)
Hillary compares herself to Rocky Balboa? LOL
It seems she wants to be a man so badly, a testosterone-filled tough guy. Maybe she really IS a lesbian like the Republicans have been claiming for years.
lizard, I suspect there are many people voting against Clinton because she's a woman, but they don't recognize it as such because their prejudice is hidden behind "preferences" ... they prefer women to exhibit certain personality characteristics and behaviors that are stereotypically female, and when a women doesn't exhibit those characteristics/behaviors they find it distasteful, but don't necessarily recognize it as gender bias. Witness a post from another thread, a poster complained about Clinton's "mannish hair-dos", like it's unacceptable for a women to have short hair. (Actually, her haircuts are far from mannish unless we're talking about George Michaels in the 80's !)
lillulu, what a ridiculous and hateful post. Why not post something intelligent ?
Obama should forget the idea of having Hillary as VP. As a previous poster said, she'd pull the trigger on him herself (if she could get away with it). She and Bill will just hire a hit man to do the dirty work. Both she and Bill the lecher are that desperate and insane for power.
Clinton is favored by women who are 50% of the voters. Why not compare the female vote to the black vote instead of white versus black? Of course blacks will vote for Obama since they are not bothered by the idea of the candidate being black. Obama is losing votes because of racism, not because he is not a good candidate for president. The black block vote concept as unfair is wrong. People voting against someone because he is black is wrong too. So is voting against a woman because she is a woman.
mairs, I heard, and I'm not kidding, a young "man on the street" being interviewed who admitted that he voted for Obama because he was "the younger candidate". Ageism is not a good thing, especially when electing leaders of our country.
Your "Can't Always Get What You Want" reference is misguided. It's not a protest song.
OldBadgertoo, Hillary didn't get the young woman vote, Obama did. I'm sorry you feel that your vote was thrown away because you didn't get what you want, but life is like that sometimes. Do you ever listen to the Stones?
"And I went down to the demonstration
To get my fair share of abuse
Singing, "We're gonna vent our frustration
If we don't we're gonna blow a 50-amp fuse"
Sing it to me now...
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you just might find
You get what you need"
Thanks Rich. What you said is code for "He's black". Gotcha. We know. Now go away.
Obama's supporters have alienated MILLIONS of voters. We will be stuck with McCain because the Obamaniacs don't understand they have supported a sure loser. He doesn't deserve to be President. It's all so sad.
I'll vote for Cynthia McKinney.
Oldbadgertoo, you're very wrong when you say women's votes are being relegated to the trash can. I guess you dismiss black women's votes as merely 'black' votes, though they are more than half of those. I guess you dismiss 'Obamagirl' votes as merely 'the young' votes. I guess you count women who vote ONLY BECAUSE Hillary is a(ny) woman as the only real votes from women, and that these are the ones being "relegated to the trash can".
I know you want to see a woman president before you're dead. And I was a reluctant Hillary supporter- and voter!- after Kucinich, Gravel and Edwards dropped out, or were "relegated to the trashcan" in your parlance, because of her imputed 'ability to win against a Republican'. And only then because I know Ralph Nader is Automatically "relegated to the trashcan" in the current political structure. Run by the Clintons, among others.
But as her campaign went on, I became more and more disillusioned with her, and Bill, too. She is now revealed to be a giant hypocrite and a political hack whose only motivating force is a lust for power. She compares herself with Rocky now? She has the entire DLC political machine at her back. She came in as the presumptive heir to the throne. Now she is having 'bad luck' because of black voting?
She has been unmasked as a NeoCon right-winger in gentle sheep's clothing. She will do and say anything to 'win' the 'game', and we have learned through her current campaign and the Bill Clinton presidency that progressive voters cannot trust her at all, nor Bill! More electable? Really doubtful, and so what?
She self-destructed. She had her shot, and was not inspiring. In fact, the opposite of inspiring, instead she was disappointing. When she said she was really against NAFTA when it was being shoved down America's throat by Bill and the Republicans (do you hear Perot's giant sucking sound yet?), her campaign manager Mark Penn and hubby Bill were AT THAT VERY MOMENT unseemly over-paid lobbyists FOR the new Columbian version of NAFTA. And she never answered how Bill and she made over a hundred million dollars in the Bush years. And on and on. Meanwile, I have become more and more impressed with Mr. Obama, and am now a supporter of his.
See the book, WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH KANSAS to figure out how to get people to vote AGAINST their own interests. Hillary learned well from the old political-operative pro Bill, on how to work this technique.
No, don't play the sexist card of "if you don't vote for Hillary, it is because you are sexist." I would gladly vote for a woman, just not this one.
And as for Mr. Freeze, Mark Twain once said there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. What do your stats prove? That people are voting by tribe now? That the Democrats are divided and conquered? That if this or that were changed then Hillary would win the nomination, and thus go on to lose to the REAL 'it's a 3 AM Call' military-defense candidate, McCain? Well, if this or that were changed in a very different way, I could win the nomination. So what? Parse it endlessly, like the MSM do, any way you want, but the vote is the vote is the vote. End of story. Just ask Bush, Cheney, and the Supremes.
Obama is not bashing Clinton. Remember that, Clinton supporters. He has always said she has the right to campaign as long as she wants, and that it's not over yet. I know the two of them will eventually work to bring us all together, for it is vital to do so. I also believe that the Republicans would love to see us never come together and make each side think the other Dems will vote for McCain in November if their nominee isn't chosen, when I do not truly believe that us good-hearted Democrats would punish the entire country by doing so. Hang in there.
Atheist, you don't really know the majority of posters are. A Republican can pose as a disgruntled Democrat.
We can only be strong if we come together behind whomever the nominee is.
This non-stop Clinton bashing is hurting the Democratic party, because it ultimately translates into Clinton-supporter bashing.
Clinton has many many supporters, as many (or nearly as many) as Obama. Obama NEEDS the vast majority of their votes to win the general election. Do any of you Clinton bashers think that your words/actions are going to convince Clinton supporters to vote for Obama ? If so, you're in for a rude awakening in November.
I can understand the Republican party attempting to create a "civil war" scenario, but Democrats doing it to their own party ? It's totally self-destructive ! This isn't the Superbowl, you dummies !
OldBadgertoo (3:37 pm) writes, "What rubbish. I am sick and tired of this harping on the evilness of the wicked Monster Mommy. It diminshes women everywhere. It's women whose votes are being relegated to the trashcan..."
- What an astonishingly dimwitted post!!
1) Just because YOU personally are "sick and tired" of something is of absolutely no importance. Its only possible interest would depend on your having accurately understood the phenomenon in question, which you manifestly have not.
2) Hillary is in fact "playing the race card." She is very directly appealing to racism. This is not a matter of opinion -- it's blatant. If you don't see it, it can only be because you don't want to see it; or you're "perceptually disadvantaged." Her message is "Vote for me because a black guy can't win."
3) Bashing Hillary has nothing to do with "diminishing women everywhere." She happens to be an unusually dishonest & repulsive person. Her gender has nothing to do with it. In fact, the way in which she's repulsive is much the same as the way that her sleazebag of a husband is repulsive. They're both ruthless narcissistic utterly unprincipled liars.
Are you unaware of her sucking up to Limbaugh, Scaife-Mellon, & Rupert Murdoch? When her former employee Stephanopoulos used his "moderator" position at the ABC debate to harangue Obama about Bill Ayers & Rev Wright, did you not hear her piling on in the background? Didn't you hear her say "Not that I'm aware of," when asked if she believed Obama was secretly a Muslim?
hitlery is a self-destructive borderline personality disordered narcissist who deserves no mercy
face it
What rubbish. I am sick and tired of this harping on the evilness of the wicked Monster Mommy. It diminshes women everywhere. It's women whose votes are being relegated to the trashcan. Women and the old and workers of every ethnicity. Not bloggers and middle class media pros and whatever creative (? - what do they create apart from delusions, false expectations and vile misogynistic jokes) workers are. And no, she isn't playing the race card. Obamabots are, by claiming she is.
Hillary Clinton and her surrogates have been engaged in racial coding (DUH) and pandering to the racism that is part of the bedrock of America.
She and Bill are part of the foundation of the Democratic Leadership Council, who supported welfare deform, NAFTA, staying in Iraq, etc.
As a New Yorker, I have several obscene gestures for Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary for her racist remarks. Change woman for black and the remark is sexist.
Might as well add the combined choice vocabulary of a fleet of NYC taxi drivers.
The level of discourse about the problems (issues are what magazines come in) that confront this country needs to grow in sophistication and specificity needs to be ramped up and quickly.
I hope that Helen Thomas is right about this country being able to take the truth about where we are and how we got here. We need it because the liars and distractors are working overtime.
Black Block Voting Won North Carolina for Obama
Barack Obama won the black vote in North Caralina 91-6%. Hillary Clinton won the white vote 59-36%.
If the black preference for Obama had fallen in the same range as the white preference for Clinton, she would have picked up the difference between 6% and 36%, which would have amounted to 30% of the black vote.
Since African-American voters comprised 33% of the vote in the North Carolina Democratic primary, Hillary Clinton would have received another 30% x 33%, or 10% of the total vote, and Obama would have received 10% less.
Instead of 56-40% in favor of Obama, the vote would have been 50-46% in favor of Clinton, and Hillary Clinton would have won the North Carolina Democratic primary.
In Indiana the story is more or less the same, with Obama winning the black vote 92-8%, and Clinton winning the white vote 60-40%. A split of the black vote similar to the split in the white vote would have given Clinton an additional 32% of the black vote, which comprised 15% of the voters, and this would have given her another 5% of the toal vote.
Instead of winning 51-49%, Hillary Clinton would have won by 56-44%, which is just the sort of double-digit win that the army of pundits declared she needed to remain "competitive."
In the Ohio Democratic primary, the color splits were 89-11% and 61-38%, and similar splits would have given Ms. Clinton another 27% of the black vote, which comprised 19% of the total vote. This would have added another 5% of the total vote to Hillary Clinton's side of the ledger, subtracted the same from Obama, and instead of winning Ohio by 54-44%, Ms. Clinton would have won the state 59-39%, a 20 point blow-out.
In many states where Mr. Obama won by large margins, similar splits among black and white voters would have reduced the margin to single digits, and eliminated most of the difference in pledged delegates.
Mr. Obama won in Maryland, for example, where black voters comprised 37% of the total, and split 84-15% for Obama. Clinton won the white vote 52-42%. Similar splits would have given Clinton another 27% of the black vote, or a little more than 9% of the total vote, and Mr. Obama's 61-36% blow-out victory would have turned into 52-45%. It would still be a win, but instead of picking up 60% of Maryland's 70 delegates, or 42 delegates, while Clinton claimed 28, for a 14-delegate difference, the delegates would have been split 37-33, for a 4-delegate difference.
In Pennsylvania, the white vote split 62-38% for Clinton, while the black vote split 89-11% for Obama. Similar splits would have given Ms. Clinton another 27% of the black vote, which was 15% of the total vote. This would have meant an addition 4% of the total vote, and Ms. Clinton would have won Pennsylvania by 58.6% to 41.4% for Mr. Obama, instead of 54.6% to 45.4%. In the actual vote, Pennsylvania's 158 delegates were split 85-73 for Clinton, but with similar splits among black and white voters, the delegates would have split 93-65 for Clinton.
Mr. Obama won the black vote in Louisiana by 86-13% and Ms. Clinton won the white vote 58-30%. The black vote comprised 48% of the total, and similar color splits would have given Ms. Clinton an additional 17% of the black vote, which would have amounted to 8% of the total vote. Mr. Obama would still have won Louisiana with 49.4% to 43.6% for Hillary Clinton, instead of 57.4% to 35.6%, but instead of picking up 12 delegates in a 34-22 split, Mr. Obama would have received only 30 pledged delegates to 26 for Ms. Clinton.
Although the black-white vote splits followed a different pattern in a few states like Vermont and New Mexico, nationwide Mr. Obama has won 81.7% of the black vote, while Ms. Clinton wins 54% of the white vote. Polarization of black voters has increased since John Edwards dropped out of the race, with Mr. Obama typically winning around 90% of the black vote since the beginning of March.
In the last 10 primaries, Mr. Obama has won by large majorities and lost by narrow margins, but without polarized black block voting in North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Louisiana, Indiana, Maryland, and elsewhere, the picture would be exactly reversed, with Hillary Clinton winning by large margins and losing narrow majorities, and Mr. Obama's lead in delegates would be small or non-existent.
When this primary race is over, Hillary's first task should be to tell the truth about Senator Obama to all of those blue collar, white voters who supported her only because they believed all of that right-wing nonsense about Senator Obama being an anti-American, Muslim, neo-communist dupe.
Every time HIllary hurls a more or less obvious insult at Obama she is insulting the judgment and choice of every Democratic voter who voted for him.
If by some extraordinary miracle or incredibly devious backrooming at the DNC she winds up being the candidate I really don't know for whom I'll vote or if I'll vote at all. How can anyhone vote for a candidate who has spent months telling you that you don't know what you are doing in supporting Obama????
(From white woman, 70 years old.)
The Clintons have taken the Demo party to new lows by playing the race card in addition to using Carl Rove character smear tactics.
Horrible Hillary is using a very old political trick from the South in a desperate attempt to sustain her lust for power at any price.
In America poor white trash are more than happy to vote for rich white trash on the basis of racism.
The elite political criminals elected in this manner then abuse the working poor who voted for them.
I'm tired of all the hand ringing re. the dangers of Senator McCain's getting a "Head Start, etc.,etc."
He is a FLAWED candidate!!! There is a virtual treasure trove of material out there, which will serve to inform the citizenry about Senator McCain. Much of which he has, and continues to, provide himself.
Who says we are all Democrats? I lean towards Green and pretty much always vote outside the system for progressives.
I agree with JBPeeples: Obama's supporters are alienating those of us who see through his deception, and making it much more difficult for him in November. I don't want him to win; I don't want McCain to win, either. I could have lived with Hillary Clinton without being thrilled about it. It's as simple as that.
The most likely way that McCain will be avoided (if he is avoided at all) is through the team-up of Obama/Clinton-----and just listen to all the naysayers.
Look for Barack to at least attempt to "manage" Hill, Bill, supers and convention. She may decline the VP spot, and she just might join and bring most of those non-college whites with her. She has to fully lose the top job first, and that's where we are for a few weeks (but not months.)
McCain/Clinton '08
Its coming.
I would like the true Democrats, both Clinton and Obama supporters alike, to beware that there are Republican/Limbaugh operatives posing as Democrats in here who are trying to stir division amongst ourselves.
It's easy to tell who these people are: they are overtly racist, emotional, and do not offer any substantive reasoning. I've seen many of these people spend their entire day commenting on various websites under various bogus identities, copying and pasting the same talking points in order to disrupt civil discussion and stir up division.
No true Democrat is going to vote for McCain and have 4 more years of war, recession, no health care and a stacked Supreme Court that will overturn Roe vs. Wade.
I think all this bickering is counterproductive. The race is almost over, Obama will most likely be presumptive nominee as he's now leading by every single metric. We should come together and support the Democrats so that we can put the country back on the right track.
Wow, I guess the Obama fans really have sorted out all the facts for us. Hillary is a whore! Bill is a lecher-pervert. great way to unite the party behind your man.
Whore is almost always a reference to a woman, which Hillary is. And Bill and Monica wasn't deviant behavior, behavior that probably wouldn't ever have happened had Bill had his way with his "whore" wife.
Whatever you think of the Clintons, they are more electable. Racism is in America just as much as woman-hating is in fashion with the pro-Obama crowd. Should your man Obama lose, it will be because of racism you don't want to see.
"Hoa binh" is an expression that no sexist should use. It represents advancement and equality without regard to race or sex. Hillary has done more for her cause than you ever will for yours by attacking her. Yes her methods may be somewhat unsound. Unless you've forgotten, John McCain is the reason for the season. Save your hatred for him or Hillary fans might save it for you and your idol come November. (Being anonymous, you might simply be Republicans in sheep's clothing trying to split the party.)
Obama better not get the idea of having her as VP.
She'll pull the trigger on him herself.
I forgot about the Rocky Balboa/Black comment.
Those Clintons, real class.
Hilary is a neocon, so is Bill. They are corrupt to the core and I am not referring to Whitewater or Monica.
"...white Americans, is weakening again and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me..."
"WHITE(s)" twice in one sentence. It's clear Over the HILL-ary and her lecher-pervert husband Bill are closet and not-so-closet racists.
Bill made the statement that Obama could run for the presidency on the fact that he hadn't stolen a car "YET." Bill the pervert also helped Rush Limbaugh out when the gasbag was sick and filled in on his radio show.
"You may have missed it - almost everyone missed it - but Bill Clinton was on Rush Limbaugh's show the day of the Texas primary."
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/clinton-went-on.html
Clinton is bucking to become McCain's running mate rather than Obama's. I'm glad to see superdelegates starting to punish her by joining Obama.
All this fuss over a political whore? In a few weeks she will crawl back into her Senate seat and continue to get rich by selling out the American people.
Hoa binh
The Clintons are no better than the right wing racists smearing and screaming on the radio and television everyday but they have done us a favor by showing us how pervasive racism is within the democratic party. This is a sad reminder that must be faced head on. When 20 percent of Clinton voters say they will never vote for a black person and with the Clintons stroking the flames of racism for their own political advantage we can see we are going backwards.