Whether or not the weapons found are Iranian the Cheney/bush group will continue to push for war with Iran. If there is not any evidence, they will manufacture some, or just outright lie to the American people to further their crusades.
I have the feeling that Maj. Gen. Kevin Bergner may have a small problem with his boss now, because he couldn't find any smoking guns from Iran and went ahead with the conference.

While Iran is undoubtedly a key element in the imperial plans of the Israel-US geopolitical alliance, the route to "a new regional order" in the Middle East is more complex than the demonization of any single opponent might suggest. In particular, as Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya points out in his excellent GlobalResearch.ca article on the subject, the help of Turkey and NATO will definitely be needed for the success any such re-ordering scenario and that requires the "internationalization" of at least some elements of the conflicting forces.

As the same article also points out, it is interesting to note the implications of Israel's military and civilian preparations and their blatant omission of certain measures that anyone would expect to play a key role in any truly defensive strategy. It is especially noteworthy that "strikes in realistic numbers against Israel were missing on the initial day of the war scenario and this makes very little sense in regard to a hypothetical Arab offensive against Israel. [...] Unknown to the Israeli public the scenario being simulated was one where the 'Arab enemies' were reacting to an Israeli attack and probably fighting Israeli incursions too."

Since the weapons were not from Iran...did anyone bother to ask where they ARE from?

We'll probably never know the whole truth, but one tends to suspect origins similar to those behind the Niger-Iraq uranium acquisition forgeries. In some ways, it probably doesn't matter much. The seeds are being sown and, with the usual media complicity, will likely serve their purpose well enough.

The weapons from Iran?

"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."

They'll find them right next to the Iraqi WMD's.

They have to strategically find excuses for maintaining these supreme international crimes of the U.S. govt's real and hidden ruling elites, or as Rev. Skaff calls them, the 'global masters', who must be kept happy at all and any costs. His article is much based on a recent report from or by Ralph Forbes at American Free Press.

"War profits taint the greedy hands of more than 25% of members of the US House and Senate!

by Rev. Richard Skaff

Global Research, May 7, 2008"

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8920

Who is really surprised by this?

There could well be Iranian arms in Iraq. But then they could be there because Iraq went and bought them from a 3rd party. Iraq is doing that, buying weapons from other countries besides the US.

Supposedly the US is cracking down on weapon inventories (stop stuff from 'evaporating') but I believe that was just tracking what we give them. What they buy on their own doesn't get tracked except by them and one can guess how well a corrupt government does that. Imagine Milo Minderbender from Catch-22 in every Iraq ministry. What's good for M&M Enterprises is good for Iraq.

If you realy want to know the truths, then begin by watching a video made by Real American heros about what is real about future wars.
"Loss of Liberty"
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/18.html
The Israeli Attack on the USS Liberty

If you realy want to know the truths, then begin by watching a video made by Real American heros about what is real. Just who is realy controlling our government and why ? Whom will benefit from another war ??? Not you and I.
"Loss of Liberty"
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/18.html
The Israeli Attack on the USS Liberty

Truth is limited only by what someone will believe.
In the matter of the 'Iranian Weapons' the story is so ludicrous that only a severely mentally challenged person would believe it. It's along the same line as the 'Iraqi WMD' which was another rediculous idea at the time.
The story, theater, and circumstance will continue to change until they finally sell the war with Iran. Hopefully after millions of people die the gene pool with be purified enough to intellectually evolve.

Focussing on whether Iran is supplying armaments to the insurgents plays into the hands of Cheney et al. What if the Iranis are supplying the insurgents? In this case, your position leaves open the possibility of an attack on Iran. All discussions of the ME must focus first of all on the fact of the Anglo/American occupation of the ME and the fact that until we abandon that policy, the peoples of the ME will continue to rise up in anger against us. Wouldn't the people of California come to the aid of a Kansas invaded by Iranis?

" obonodori May 9th, 2008 12:38 pm

Since the weapons were not from Iran…did anyone bother to ask where they ARE from?"

WHO SHOULD ASK, who's considered qualified in terms of honesty and not withholding critical truths; except when it's understandably done for brief time, like, f.e., for the truth'er to have time to find adequate safety first? And then who should those people ask the above question? After all, we know many military and political officials can't be trusted to answer such a question honestly; knowing this based on years of mostly nothing but LIES and insane distortions of reality (or of the perception of it) from the Bush admin. and their fellow criminals among the USA's military officials.

Robert Fisk did some fine reporting during the first few months of the war, but what I'm specifically thinking of is the fact that the U.S. military officials acting as cmders in the war on Iraq and the Bush admin., the whole lot of its bunch of fiends lusting for war profits and power, esp. economic power; well, they kept saying that missile strikes were by the Iraqi resistance and Fisk exposed this lie also repeatedly, several times. He'd just look at what remained of the missiles' chassis, say, and see that the manufacturing was the U.S.A.-made kind, and not of kinds the Iraqi govt would have had in its military arsenals.

But they're not going to show people like him weapons the U.S. claims to have found in Iraq while adding that these were supposedly Iranian-made and -provided to Iraqi resistance groups. They wouldn't show this to Fisk, unless:

*) the weapons or munitions really were clearly manufacturer-labeled as made in Iran; or,

*) if it was known that Iran possessed the weapons or munitions in question and that the USA, Britain, ... and Israel did not use the same kinds; although this would not guarantee that Iran was at all guilty in or for the transfer of any weapons and military munitions to Iraqis.

The article by Rev. Skaff and for which there's a link in my first post, above, is important to read and to check out the sources of information used by Skaff, indicates that lies and propaganda for U.S. warring on the world aren't about to cease anytime soon; not expectably anyway. The "lawmakers", MANY of them, have a lot of personal $dough$ invested in the MIC, while I suppose that the same enough also applies with respect to investments in Big Oil cies, including the servicing cies like Halliburton. ALL this money of theirs (stolen from taxpayers, but not retrievable, so no longer theirs) invested like this is going to of course buy a lot of LYING and cover-ups, and phony starts; like when pretending to be undertaking a valiant effort against the Bush admin.'s crimes, but never really being sincere about taking this effort ALL THE WAY, until nothing short of success is achieved, how ever long it takes to get to that point.

Like Skaff concludes, though I'm paraphrasing, it's 'NO WONDER' that the Dem. Party-majority Congress has continually provided HUGE, astronomically huge funding for the perpetuation of these GWoT wars of NOT only the Bush admin. and neocons, but clearly of the Dem. Party, too. And as he adds, war is NOT going to stop for as long as the voters of the USA keep electing and re-electing political candidates about whom it is not even difficult to determine that they're criminals and definitely, and grotesquely, UNFIT for public service in the govts (various levels) of the USA. They're often obvious enough about not caring about criminal governance. And for as long as Americans continue to repeat these hellbent voting choices these voters will be the warmakers most of all; like it or not, it's still what happens when electing in these criminals.

When Americans stop doing that, then they may finally wake up to the USA not having a real democracy. But as Rev. Skaff also says, it's NOT The People who decide who's elected, certainly not for the highest offices of the govt, or the presidency, anyway. We got strong illustration of this latter reality with all of the U.S. corporate news media (MIC-owned media, enough are) ex-comm'd Dennis Kucinich from SIX primary campaign debates of the DP candidates, the subjectively or preferentially pre-ordained ones, that is.

Hillary Clinton dumped apparently all of her MIC stocks in 2007, LONG after it was obvious that this war on Iraq [is] war of aggression, wholly criminal, a criminality stretched as much as it humanly can be and to Hell's blood-lustful liking. Joe Lieberman apparently hasn't divested from the MIC, but he's far from alone to make this choice.

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" HelenJean May 9th, 2008 2:57 pm

If you realy want to know the truths, then begin by watching a video .... Just who is realy controlling our government and why ? Whom will benefit from another war ??? Not you and I.
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Definitely 'NOT you and I'; for we LOSE, though less violently than the losses Iraqis, ... suffer from U.S. military and economic wars, albeit the U.S. has many citizens who'll now feel some real economic pinching.

Anyway, the USS Liberty video evidently should go well with Rev. Skaff's article and what the sources used for it additionally provide.

My guess . . . With all the Hush, Hush and no names that they are part of the missing American weapons that seem to continually disappear for our "Fortified Green Zone."
For all we know they may have even been sold to the enemy.
Of course the reality is that you will probably not hear anything more about this.

I think the Iranian weapons are tucked away behind Saddam's weapons of mass destruction, in front of the boxes of communist conspiracies to overthrow the US.

Again, where are the weapons from, if they are not from Iran?

Doesn't anyone remember the 250,000 TONS of weapons and ammunition that disappeared from unguarded weapons depots after we invaded Iraq?

Or they are US weapons sold or stolen by Iraqi army, or they come from (gasp!) Saudi Arabia, or another US ally, or ...

Weapons are coming via China. (although less officially they want a big load of that oil and market action the rebuilding of Iraq will bring) Selling weapons is exceptionally lucrative.

" JonB May 9th, 2008 4:59 pm

Again, where are the weapons from, if they are not from Iran?"

TO ASK that speculatively is one thing, but to really expect an answer that's definitely true and fully so is another matter; and I wouldn't waste time with such questions that we are NOT likely to get the truth about. We can certainly speculate or guess though.

Yet we evidently do know that the weapons and munitions are NOT Iranian-made, and that's good to know, as well as being about all we need to know. We can want to know more, but want and need are NOT synonymous at all; though we can certainly want things we happen to also need, there being no natural law dictating or forcing mutual exclusiveness between want and need. Wise people want only what they need and nothing more, for the truly wise are NEVER greedy, f.e.

"Doesn't anyone remember the 250,000 TONS of weapons and ammunition that disappeared from unguarded weapons depots after we invaded Iraq?"

WERE "SECURITY" contractors there at that time, or only later? If they were present when those MANY tons of weapons and munitions were disappeared, then maybe they set themselves up a black market for reselling these to Iraqis; ya know, to greedily profit ever more from soldiering and contracting for wars of aggression.

I believe to have read a very recent article that says much like the latter, or above, but don't recall the title and/or author, as well as not remembering if it said U.S. soldiers or private "security" contractors were (I believe more) responsible for these disappearances. This was an article posted at CD, I believe.

Kissinger who never revealed all his middle east clients,
and his involvement in Arms has never been detailed.
Arms merchants don't care who's side the sell to..
Kissinger was an adviser to Bush re Iraq..
We never heard about the advice Kissinger gave Bush..
It's an insiders club.

Dear Joseph, Watch and see Kissinger back in 1967 doing his "GOOD works " for his friends. He has had cover 50 years to do Thier will and serve his gods. This is something everyone should take the time to see and learn. Sure it is happening right now, but maybe it is because they have gotten away with it for so long. If we don't get wise and see the truths, they will win and , maybe they already have. But as long as I am breathing, I will try to speak up and point out truths. My hearts still ticking, and by my GOD I am still kicking.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/18.html

remember 25% of the house and congress get kick backs from the military contracts. So right there is 25% vote for war. Probably got these weapons from GB's ass everything else have been up there that old Skull and Boners member

If they're no longer talking about where they came from, should we wonder... Are they part of the huge caches that were raided in the early days after Baghdad was taken?

First, they don't want us to know where they are really from because more than likely it is an ally or someone they are afraid to attack because, whoever it is has a formidable army or it is from somone who wants to keep the war going- think CIA, Israel, ??????

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Bush and his 2nd rate Generals are all poised to attack Iran, for what ever pretext Cheney can manufacture by October.

Bush and his military advisors had better watch their backs.
Opening up a 3rd Front is down right STUPID !!!!!!!!!!

Not covering your rear,....not covering your flanks,.....not covering your supply lines,.....NOT STUDING THE MILITARY HISTORY OF THE MIDDLE EAST......is INSANE.

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Why do you people ask where the weapons came from? Do you expect to get any honest answers? Haven't you learned yet that they have come from any place in the world that Bush and Cheney want them to come from?

Also: I am not a military expert, although I spent quite a few years in the U.S. Armed Services. I know enough that if the U.S. invades Iran, this country will never be the same and will, during the lives of our children, sink to the depths of agony in a livid world.

And McCain is as bad as bad as the boys in power today.

He's an executive. He's a legislator. Dick Cheney can do anything, that's why he has started his own 'Special Forces' to find out how the Evildoers are smuggling in weapons, money and training to naive Iraqi's yearning to be free and democratic.

Red, White and Blue is too much of a give-away. So Dick's crack team of undercover evildoer-spies use Red, Yellow and Blue.

He will have The Evidence before October, don't you worry.

Those damn Iranians! Why don't they mark their weapons clearly so that America and Israel can get the low-yield nukes going?

I think that the U.S. should mark all its armaments MADE IN IRAN for a few months, really throw the cat among the pigeons. China could mark all its weapons MADE IN BRITAIN and France could use the MADE IN RUSSIA label.

Boy, would we have some beaut wars then? Imagine Wall Street. It would launch into the stratosphere!

P.S. Donald Duck for President anyone? See my blog for details.

Right on Buster!

If they tell where they are from that would be an admission of a lie.... this government is not allowed to tell the truth unless the truth teller pays for it.

Let's see:

1. Iraqi guv initiates war with Sadr Shia militiamen without provocation probsbly at our instigation.
we claim they are supported by Iran

2. Lebanese guv attacks Hezbollah first probaly at Israel's and our behest, then whines when they get beaten.

we claim hezbollah supported by Syria & Iran

Am I crazy to think this is going to be used as excuse for you-know-what?

"A plan to show some alleged Iranian-supplied explosives to journalists ...was canceled after the United States realized none of them was from Iran"

sound familiar?

A plan to show the world that Iraq had WMD was cancelled...after the USA realized that they had none."

Spread the big lie across a compliant media, then who cares if you can back it up or not? You have already reached your objective by then.

THE WEAPONS CAME FROM THE USA...WHERE ELSE?

the strategy has never been to win, but to create enough mayhem to hide the real agenda....arming ALL sides and setting them at each others throats does this nicely

What if these weapons had been made in Iran?

So What? We invaded and occupied their neighbor and said they were next;

The weapons SHOULD be made in Iran, given US actions & threats.

Though they may not be.

As I mentioned above, as unquestionably important as Iran is to "a new regional order" in the Middle East, we should not allow any narrow focus to obscure the overall geopolitical strategy and its even larger threat to global stability and world peace. Keep in mind, in particular, Bush's recent declaration in Bucharest that "NATO is no longer a static alliance focused on defending Europe. ... It is now an expeditionary alliance that is sending its forces across the world."

In that broader context, which clearly involves both Russia and China as well as the European and North American members of NATO itself, U.S. pressures and propaganda also appear to be running into a few rough patches, if not outright roadblocks. Another GlobalResearch article makes it clear that:
there is mass opposition in Europe to increased military spending and especially to bailing out the U.S. in Iraq or Afghanistan by sending troops. In poll after poll in both Eastern and Western Europe, the overwhelming majority of the people have opposed deeper military involvement. Politicians know that agreeing to send troops to either Iraq or Afghanistan is political suicide.

U.S. imperialism has grand and ominous plans to surround Russia and China with U.S./NATO bases. The plans look great on paper and in war games. But putting troops on the ground is becoming more and more difficult. Demonstrations against this NATO summit and other NATO meetings and exercises show the deep opposition fermenting among the masses. In addition, Russia has warned that the eastward expansion of NATO and the stationing of U.S. missiles in the Czech Republic and Poland pose a grave threat to its security and could lead to European-wide instability and even war.
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U.S. imperialism is facing an unsolvable contradiction. The political movement must be on the alert. These contradictions can make the billionaire rulers more desperate and more dangerous. As their world economic position slips, along with the almighty U.S. dollar, they are increasingly attracted to military solutions. But maintaining the weapons, bases and troops sucks up an ever-greater share of resources. Militarism is both a life-sustaining corporate subsidy and an endless drain on the economy as a whole. With each passing day the cost of endless wars of occupation is becoming clearer and less acceptable to millions of poor and working people in the U.S. and across Europe. Increasing economic hardships, budget cuts and military casualties are undermining this grand military alliance. NATO is crumbling from below, even as it expands numerically and geographically.
To which I would only add good riddance to an obsolete concept.

It's hard to say who supplied these weapons! It's very possible they are from our good friends the Saudis or the Pakistanis. Both countries have played both ends of the field numerous times before and no one calls them on it. We have the Saudis to thank for supplying hijackers for 9/11! But, Bush in his infinite wisdom has ignored transgressions by both countries. He doesn't seem to notice these people's fanatical Islamic fundamentalist roots! Just Iran's! Talk about hypocrisy!

Since the United States is the biggest manufacturer and seller of arms in the world, it would only be logical to assume that a fair amount of the captured weaponry originated in the U.S. and made its way to Iraq through arms trading as usual.

The question isn't weapons from Iran or Iranian interference in Iraq and Lebanon. That would be nice window dressing for the neocons.

The real question is will Bush and Cheney have the stones to order the bombing of Natanz? Its what they want to do.

During the '70's, '80's and early '90's the Provisional IRA's rifle of choice was the Armalite Ar16. This weapon is of US manufacture (the Ar16-A1 is better known as the M-16) and was purchased using funding that was sourced in the USA.

Does this mean that the British government should have been threatening to use tactical nukes on the US and dismissing humanitarian concerns about collateral casualties or can this only be applied to non-Christian nations?

I am counting on some Americans to stick to the truth. They may not advance their careers, but they will be part of increasing peace and goodness in the world.

What a bunch of low-life and shady comments here. I fail to see what Israel has to do with the allegations put forth here regarding the War in Iraq or the allegations per Iran. Especially ignorant are idiosyncratic arguments made that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. I fail to see what use the liberals have since they are the ones that got us into Vietnam.

DerivativeRe...
Then you are an ignorant fool and/or a Zionist troll.
If you are the former, google for "PNAC" and "Rebuilding Americas Defences".. To begin with..
If the latter...