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The Loathsome Smearing of Israel's Critics
In the US and Britain, there is a campaign to smear anybody who tries to describe the plight of the Palestinian people. It is an attempt to intimidate and silence -- and to a large degree, it works. There is nobody these self-appointed spokesmen for Israel will not attack as anti-Jewish: liberal Jews, rabbis, even Holocaust survivors.
My own case isn't especially important, but it illustrates how the wider process of intimidation works. I have worked undercover at both the Finsbury Park mosque and among neo-Nazi Holocaust deniers to expose the Jew-hatred there; when I went on the Islam Channel to challenge the anti-Semitism of Islamists, I received a rash of death threats calling me "a Jew-lover", "a Zionist-homo pig" and more.
Ah, but wait. I have also reported from Gaza and the West Bank. Last week, I wrote an article that described how untreated sewage was being pumped from illegal Israeli settlements on to Palestinian land, contaminating their reservoirs. This isn't controversial. It has been documented by Friends of the Earth, and I have seen it with my own eyes.
The response? There was little attempt to dispute the facts I offered. Instead, some of the most high profile "pro-Israel" writers and media monitoring groups -- including Honest Reporting and Camera -- said I an anti-Jewish bigot akin to Joseph Goebbels and Mahmoud Ahmadinejadh, while Melanie Phillips even linked the stabbing of two Jewish people in North London to articles like mine. Vast numbers of e-mails came flooding in calling for me to be sacked.
Any attempt to describe accurately the situation for Palestinians is met like this. If you recount the pumping of sewage onto Palestinian land, "Honest Reporting" claims you are reviving the anti-Semitic myth of Jews "poisoning the wells." If you interview a woman whose baby died in 2002 because she was detained -- in labour -- by Israeli soldiers at a checkpoint within the West Bank, "Honest Reporting" will say you didn't explain "the real cause": the election of Hamas in, um, 2006. And on, and on.
The former editor of Israel's leading newspaper, Ha'aretz, David Landau, calls the behaviour of these groups "nascent McCarthyism". Those responsible hold extreme positions of their own that place them way to the right of most Israelis. Alan Dershowitz and Melanie Phillips are two of the most prominent figures sent in to attack anyone who disagrees with the Israeli right. Dershowitz is a lawyer, Harvard professor and author of The Case For Israel. He sees ethnic cleansing as a trifling matter, writing: "Political solutions often require the movement of people, and such movement is not always voluntary ... It is a fifth-rate issue analogous in many respects to some massive urban renewal." If a prominent American figure takes a position on Israel to the left of this, Dershowitz often takes to the airwaves to call them anti-Semites and bigots.
The journalist Melanie Phillips performs a similar role in Britain. Last year a group called Independent Jewish Voices was established with this mission statement: "Palestinians and Israelis alike have the right to peace and security." Jews including Mike Leigh, Stephen Fry and Rabbi David Goldberg joined. Phillips swiftly dubbed them "Jews For Genocide", and said they "encourage" the "killers" of Jews. Where does this come from? She says the Palestinians are an "artificial" people who can be collectively punished because they are "a terrorist population". She believes that while "individual Palestinians may deserve compassion, their cause amounts to Holocaust denial as a national project". Honest Reporting quotes Phillips as a model of reliable reporting.
These individuals spray accusations of anti-Semitism so liberally that by their standards, a majority of Jewish Israelis have anti-Semitic tendencies. Dershowitz said Jimmy Carter's decision to speak to the elected Hamas government "border[ed] on anti-Semitism." A Ha'aretz poll last month found that 64 per cent of Israelis want their government to do just that.
As US President, Jimmy Carter showed his commitment to Israel by giving it more aid than anywhere else and brokering the only peace deal with an Arab regime the country has ever enjoyed. He also wants to see a safe and secure Palestine alongside it -- so last year he wrote a book called Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid. It is a bland and factual canter through the major human rights reports. There is nothing there you can't read in the mainstream Israeli press every day. Carter's comparison of life on the West Bank (not within Israel) to Apartheid South Africa is not new. The West Bank is ruled in the interests of a small Jewish minority; it is bisected by roads for the Jewish settlers from which Palestinians are banned. The Israeli human rights group B'tselem says this "bears striking similarities to the racist Apartheid regime". Yet for repeating these facts in the US, Carter has widely called "a racist". Several universities have even refused to let the ex-President speak to their students.
These campus battles often succeed. Norman Finkelstein is a political scientist in the US whose parents were both Jewish survivors of the Warsaw ghetto and the Nazi concentration camps. They lost every blood relative. He made his reputation exposing a hoax called From Time Immemorial by Joan Peters which claimed that Palestine was virtually empty when Zionist settlers arrived, and the people claiming to be Palestinians were mostly impostors who had come from local areas to cash in. Finkelstein showed it to be scarred by falsified figures and gross misreading of sources. From that moment on, he was smeared as an anti-Semite by those who had lauded the book. But it was when Finkelstein revealed two years ago that Alan Dershowitz had, without acknowledgement, drawn wholesale from Peters' hoax for his book The Case For Israel, that the worst began. Dershowitz campaigned to make sure Finkelstein was denied tenure at his university. He even claimed that Finkelstein's mother -- who made it through Maidenek and two slave-labour camps -- had collaborated with the Nazis. The campaign worked. Finkelstein was let go by De Paul University, simply for speaking the truth.
Are the likes of Dershowitz and Phillips and Honest Reporting becoming more shrill because they can sense they are losing the argument? Liberal Jews -- the majority -- are now setting up rivals to the hard-right organisations they work with, because they believe this campaign of demonisation is damaging us all. It damages the Palestinians, because it prevents honest discussion of their plight. It damages the Israelis, because it pushes them further down an aggressive and futile path. And it damages diaspora Jews, because it makes real anti-Semitism harder to deal with.
We need to look the witch-hunters in the eye and say, as Joseph Welch said to Joe McCarthy himself: "You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"
--Johann Hari
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Show AllImagine how peaceful the Middle East would be if the US and Israel didn't conspire to commit repeated crimes against humanity.
I wonder how silent vigils with a Palestinian flag on public property near Israeli 60th B'day celebrations will be received?
There was little attempt to dispute the facts I offered.
There never is. That's not how it works. Formal debating societies may recognize ad hominem attacks as illegitimate tactics, but they are immensely successful amongst a populace that is accustomed to the popularity contests that pass for debate and democracy in the "land of the free".
I find this article to contain more good news than bad. It's very encouraging to know that there is an active movement among Jews to counter the ravings of zionist extremism.
jj
Factual criticisms of Jews or any other group are legitimate. Extremists need to be avoided and marginalized. Results are mixed and take time but are worth the effort.
No, the middle east still wouldn't be peaceful without Israel and the US, but at least we wouldn't have as much blood on our hands.
Thank you, Johann Hari for just saying it like it is. Without hyperbole.
BTW,Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), a neoconservative-aligned advocacy outfit that strives to link the security of the United States to that of Israel. Based in Washington, DC, JINSA is perhaps the most powerful Likudnik group in the United States. JINSA advisory board members have included John Bolton, Jack Kemp, Michael Ledeen, Richard Perle, James Woolsey, Dick Cheney, and Douglas Feith.
Recipients of their "Scoop" Jackson Award include McCain & Lieberman.
Not as public as AIPAC but very influential.
Good info on http://rightweb.irc-online.org/
Note the reference below to Israel's PR people in the U.S. who "handle matters for us". The knee-jerk and inappropriate application of "anti-semite" to anyone expressing concern for the Palestinian plight (e.g., Dershowitz) has essentially taken the sting out of the charge.
"I spoke with the head military lawyer for the IDF, Joel Singer, and I said 'You know, I'm two weeks here. It's clear you people are inflicting Nuremberg crimes on the Palestinians, exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews. What's your explanation?' He said 'Military necessity'. Notice, he didn't disagree with me. I said 'That argument was rejected at Nuremberg when the lawyers for the Nazis made it.' So then he said, 'Well, we have public relations people in the United States, and they handle these matters for us.' "
-- Francis Boyle, Professor of International Law, University of Illinois
An excellent article, and I hope that it speaks truly of a growing movement.
I believe that the American people are finally beginning to see through Fox and the other MSM in this country. Perhaps if Dershowitz et al can only appear on Fox it will begin to make all arguments presented by them immediately suspect; which is something I am hoping will happen in general.
Do these extreme Israelis not see that there could be a huge backlash against their cause and that it could legitimize real anti-zionism, if not even anti-semitizm?
Another very excellent opinion:
5 Myths About Being 'Pro-Israel'
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR2008050801521.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Why don't we create & organize a sweeping boycott movement that includes a list of demands of the mainstream media, which would include accurate reporting of the plight of Palestinians and Israel government policies; the embedded Pentagon "experts", and all of the long list of our grievances?? We do have the power, the question is who will provide the leadership? I'm certain tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands, would do it IF they were provided with HOW to do it by leaders.
The irony is that people such as Dershowitz and Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League, in brooking no dissent or criticism of Israel whatsoever, actually only foment hatred of Jews.
Pardon my own ignorance of the topic, but aren't the people who lived in Palistine Semetic in origin? If you buy into the creation story aren't all people Jewish?
Whatever the case may be...
Sadly, while Hitler was the worst thing that could have happened to Europe's Jews, it was also the worst thing that happened to the Palestinian Arabs.
Very true, Ken Mitchell.
What's loathsome is this never-ending anti-Semitism, and these bizarre one-side views of the war. Once again, the Palestinians and Arabs began this war, and are entirely responsible for it. They have been offered peace many, many times, and have continually rejected it. They simply care more about hating Jews than they do about their own people.
All the Palestinians have to do to end the war they began in flagrant violation of international law and the rulings of the UN is to formally recognize Israel, and change their charters to reflect their permanent acceptance of Israel. Once that is done, negotiations for a permanent peace treaty may begin. But blaming Israel is just insane, and a complete waste of time.
"Why don't we create & organize a sweeping boycott movement"
Because you have absolutely no international support whatsoever. Only a lunatic fringe of anti-Semites. Virtually no one agrees with your position. Go ahead and start your boycotts. Then watch just how little support you get.
Does one really expect anything less from Alan Dershowitz, the man who defended Klaus von Bulow?
I thought it was the Roman's who started the diaspora from what was the Kingdom of Isreal a few thousand years ago...
The arabs and Palistinians were offered the same sort of peace deal that the native americans were offered, sign a treaty and die in reservations, or just die. Mikep and others ignore the fact that before the Romans sacked Jerusalem the ancestors of the palistinians lived in what is Isreal. Before the Isreali's started their war of independence (using terrorist bombings which killed arabs and englishmen) the palistinians lived in that country. Did the Isreali's offer to buy the land they took by force of arms?
Hmmm... I wonder which history mikep has been reading? Seems like it's the 'blame the victims' version.
anne faith: The irony is that people such as Dershowitz and Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League, in brooking no dissent or criticism of Israel whatsoever, actually only foment hatred of Jews
That's exactly right. In fact, the name Anti-Defamation League is an oxymoron in itself... Anyone who dare critisize the actions of the Israeli government, gets defamed viciously by the ADL. They should just drop the 'anti' from their name.
Also, the charges of antisemitism is thrown around SO quickly and easily that it's really losing any sense of meaning. Whenever anyone calls me antisemitic because of what I say, I just respond with "Yeah, So?". Doesn't mean anything anymore. I'm not a jew-hater or truly anti-semitic, but I do oppose Zionism in all it's forms. Any ideology that places one group above another is morally wrong. We're all human beings for cryin' out loud.
mikep; its clear by what you wrote that any discussion with you is hopless. Keep up your narrative based on no truth; you will be ignored, no matter how aggressive you become with your baseless claims.
we must end the anglo/american occupation of the ME, first off by cutting the billions going to israel, else we will continue to be the target of terrorist attacks. the real price of aid to Israel, is 9/11 and the threat of more like it.
mikep,
Your charges of anti-semitism won't prevent the posters in this forum from speaking the truth.
It is Hamas who has offered cease-fire in several ocassions and the Israel government has refused.
Talk about being braiwashed, it is Israel who is in several violations of international law, e.g. illegal settlers in the West Bank, or the abuses of the occupied peoples, which is in violation of the Geneva Convention.
It is true that in every conflict there are guilty people on both sides, but that doesn't justify defending the actions of a country founded on the blood of the native peoples.
And obviously you have a reading comprehension problem, the article states that 64% of the Israeli population wants their government to start talks with Hamas, so don't say that nobody else agrees with our position.
But of course, every time there is an article about this issue a troll like you appears in Common Dreams, thinking he is going to make us afraid from voicing our opinions, by just spitting the word "anti-semites" and then lots of non sense propaganda.
mikep May 8th, 2008 2:11 pm -- "Virtually no one agrees with your position."
Wow! That's either an utterly ridiculous attempt to persuade others that anyone who does not agree is a nobody or just fantastically wishful thinking on your part?
Whatever you may believe (or pretend to believe) the world doesn't actually end at the borders of the U.S. and it's certainly not limited to the so-called "Judeo-Christian" population. In fact, even some USans are beginning to reject the AIPAC propaganda despite all the media complicity. For that matter, support for Zionism has never been universal amongst Jews themselves.
I have a friend who is an award winning non-violent peace activist with a strong academic and engaged background in human rights. A kind and soft-spoken person.
Two years ago he sponsored a non-violent Palestinian activist to speak at a local peace event on human rights. Shortly after the event local Jewish activists accused the sponsor of being "anti-Semitic". The peace organization that he worked with,that relied on minimal funding to operate, was threatened with a lawsuit by a national Jewish organization.
All oppressive and unjust political systems rely heavily on propaganda and intimidation to further their goals and justify their methods and existence. Israel and global supporters of Israel have taken the dark science of media manipulation and the political intimidation of honest critics to unprecedented levels.
Goebbels would be impressed with the global reach and effectiveness of the Zionist thought police.
And whether the rationalizations for such actions are belief in an "Aryan nation" or belief in the ethnocentricity of "God's chosen people" makes very little difference. The end result is a pervasive and cruel human cancer resulting in unnecessary human suffering.
Thank You Johann Hari for speaking up and telling the truth. There are honest Israelis out there like Uri Avnery, Gideon Levy, Amira Hass who do the same. Not surprisungly they are smeared (along with Chomksy and Finklestein and others) as self-hating Jews! Look at those who do the smearing.... Alan Dershowitz, Melanie Phillips, David "Horrorwitz", Daniel Pipes and the morons at Commentary. The quote from Dershowitz supporting ethnic cleansing could have been taken right out of Mein Kampf!!
Israel,if it wanted, could have achieved peace with the Arabs a long time ago, but they keep rejecting it, preferring to use their military to solve political problems. This is bound to fail in the long run. The Palestinians are not going anwhere (unless Israel exterminates them). I have said this before and I will say it again now. Israel's biggest problem is Zionist arrogance coupled with unlimited American stupidity. These are the real threats to Israel's existence. Arabs cannot drive Israel into the sea even if they wanted to (never mind how many times David Hornik says so). Henry Kissinger (one of the world's most pathological liars)once made one accurate statement: "It is far more dangerous to be America's ally than America's enemy". Israel should think seriously about that!
"You have taken everything, and what is left for me?" said the old man Micah (Old Testament, Judges 18). "Let us hear no more from you...or you may bring about your own destruction and that of your household," replied the Danites [one of the early Hebrew tribes 'looking for a home']. "So taking with them the god that Micah had made and the priest who had served him, the Danites marched against Laish, against a peaceful and trusting people. They slaughtered all the inhabitants and set the town on fire. There was no one to help the town because it was a long way from Sidon and had no relations with the Arameans [to their west and north]. The Danites rebuilt the town and settled in it...." Now we have archaeologists who tell us none of this ever happened, either---you know, everybody else living there just "went away" like "Indians" who were just "disappearing like the dew on the grass before the rising sun" of empire, in Washington Irving's words. NO OTHER NATION ON THE PLANET WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BEHAVE AS ISRAEL HAS AND DOES.
Every time I hear of the plight of Israeli Jews and Palestinians, and how they continue to rationalize their "right" to a home-land, I want to scream. Just because American Politicians are easily intimidated by Israeli Lobbyist doesn't mean that the American people are.
The struggle for peace in the Middle East is tired and pathetic. Most Americans couldn't tell the difference between an Israeli and Palestinian if their life depended on it. Hell, most Americans can't even find the middle-east, much less Israel, on a map.
Israel is about the size of New Jersey (where Jews and Muslims live in peace!). Please tell me why Israelis and Palestinians think the American People seriously give a damn about two self-serving, intolerant cultures that live halfway around the world? Americans and the International community have "much bigger" fish to fry, such as global warming, for starters.
If you wonder why Americans are about to elect Obama as our next president it's because they're also tired of the petty divisions and ignorance of their own people.
What part of the Holocaust don't Israelis and Palestinians understand? -- the part where the European community recognized their culpability in turning a blind eye to its bigotry and related atrocities, and the reason why European Jews live in peace with their neighbor today. Why is it so hard for Israelis and Palestinians not do the same? Have we not learned anything from history?
To my Jewish and Muslim neighbors: please do the right thing and pressure Israelis and Palestinians to make peace with "their brothers," even if it means giving up a "very little" piece of land. I'd even be willing to suggest that America give-up an equal part of Texas, if it would make a difference.
And yes, Jimmy Carter is God sent, and deserves all the love and respect the Israeli and Palestinians can give him. Frankly, they don't even deserve his continuing concern and kindness after all they've put him through.
We, the majority of American people, are VERY TIRED of this stupid affair. Get a clue, and get over it already!
Concord,
Actually, Hamas and the palestinians have extended truce, but it has been the israelis that does not accept it. have you ever noticed that all the ceasefire agreements have been broken by the Israelis when they use the ceasefire to commit extra-judicial killings?
Mikep, you are nothing but an ignorant racist zionist stooge.
MikeP - Pull your head of the stolen sands of the West Bank and realize that the cause of the Palestinians has enormous support around the world and that such support is not anti-Semitic, but actually good for Israel. The conflict started because the British gave land that didn't belong to them to somebody else and those who were still on the land rightfully objected. Since then, both sides have made mistakes and caused bloodshed. However, the past is just that and in the present, the current Israeli and US governments are nothing but an obstacle to peace. I am Jewish, I love myself, my faith, my country and Israel, but I ashamed of what the last two are doing supposedly for my benefit.
I agree wholeheartedly with the poster who said that the actions of Likudniks in the US only increase anti-Semitism. The more they defend atrocities the more they endanger Jews worldwide.
There are people in America that take advantage of "duel citizenship". They call themselves American out front but undercover do everything in their power to undermine America in the name of israel! In the last twenty/thirty years more people in America have been arrested for "spying" for israel then all other countries combined. israel(I have deliberately "not capitalized" the word israel because of my disdain for its misguided policies).I believe that congress should pass laws banning duel citizenship and making the punishment for spying, especially nuclear spying, more stringent.
I am stuck on the problem in Palestine.
I cannot see a viable Palestinian state given the facts on the ground: settlements, water control, roads only Israeli Jews can use, no foreign affairs for Palestine, the wall,...
So no two state solution that has any kind of justice for the Palestinians.
I cannot see a one state solution either, even a de centralized federation: we in the West will not allow non Jews in such a stae to have a say over those nuclear weapons in Israel.
Anybody see any other possibilities?
I believe the Jews can make a very good case that people should handle Israeli topics with kid gloves and be very politically correct and sensitive. However, the truth is the truth and there is no reason to hide it.
Anti-semitism is hideous, but accurate criticisms of Israel are by no means anti-semitism.
That's why I don't like the idea that Israel is "The Jewish Nation." That is BS. That is how they can make those bogus argument that a critique of Israel is anti-Jewish. If Israel was just a nation where mostly Jewsish people lived, then they couldn't turn political commentary into religious persecution so easily.
It's that Holy Land scam again. Show me one nation on earth that God has forsaken? I have been around the world and there is good and bad everywhere.
In the 21st century, there should not be any nation on earth that calls it self a(religion)______ country.
Humanity is one.
john wycliff
the Sinai pennisula could be irrigated and converted into Palestine. Who lives there?
Israel has violated - and is currently violating - dozens of UN resolutions over the last 30 years. Here is just one, Resolution 446:
"(The Council) Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive and lasting peace in the Middle East; Calls once more upon Israel, as the occupying power, to abide scrupulously by the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, to rescind it's previous measures and to desist from taking any action which would result in changing the legal status and geographical nature and materially affecting the demographic composition of the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, and in particular, not to transfer parts of its own civilian population into the occupied Arab territories."
Israel is currently violating any number of nuclear treaties by illegally possessing an estimated 600 nuclear warheads. The entire world knows that Israel is a nuclear Power, yet they refuse to either deny or admit to it, and thus they escape the requirement of joining the Non-Proliferation Treaty, as all nuclear powers are required to do by law. They are the only mid-east nation to illegally possess nuclear weapons, and yet the US - instead of viewing them as a "rogue nuclear state" as we do North Korea, which also posssesses illegal nuclear weapons and refuses to sign the NPT - we call them our allies and demonize all the other countries in the Mideast. All because Israel is the "holy land" in the bible.
So while Israel goes on blatantly defying UN and international laws and treaties, treating the Palestinians almost exactly like they themselves were treated by Germany before they were given Israel as their own nation, and basically behaving like a nation full of despotic, above-the-law thugs, the US goes right on blindly supporting them no matter what they do. And anyone who dares to speak ill of Israel, or to point out the TRUTH about its lawbreaking and hypocrisy, as this article points out, is called an anti-semite Jew-hater.
Here's some fuel for those like Dershowitz and Phillips and the Bush cabal: fuck Israel. The best thing that could happen to the Palestinians would be for the other Mideast nations to band together - Iran, Syria, Jordan, Lebannon - and attack Israel back into the stone age for its lawlessness and apartheid. I for one would be applauding. Israel needs the world, and the U.S., but the world does not need Israel. If the Jews in Israel want to emulate their Nazi captors of 60 years ago by treating the Palestinians like they were treated in the 40's, then let's have a new war to wipe these neo-nazis off the map like we did back then.
"All the Palestinians have to do to end the war they began in flagrant violation of international law and the rulings of the UN is to formally recognize Israel, and change their charters to reflect their permanent acceptance of Israel. Once that is done, negotiations for a permanent peace treaty may begin. But blaming Israel is just insane, and a complete waste of time."
I honestly cannot tell whether this statement is naive or disingenuous. The truth of the matter is that Israel is creating facts on the ground, such as expanded settlements, gerrymandered boundaries, etc that make a Palestinian state virtually untenable even if a peace treaty with full recognition of Israel's legitimacy were to be signed tomorrow. It is also a sad truth, that Israel has done nothing over the past 6 decades to encourage the development of Palestinian social, political and economic institutions and structures that could support a meaningful peace between the parties.
I am exceedingly discouraged about the prospect for a settlement of Arab-Israeli conflict within in my lifetime.
If anyone believes that "mikep" is an isolated rabid Zionist loonie, please check out any Talkback forum at haaretz.com and be amazed as to how common his views are.
John Wycliff - this is the crux of the problem for us Jews who want a peacefu solution. Unfortunately, the only real solution requires steps that Israel (the gov't) shows no inclination of taking. However, most Israelis see that a pullback to pre-1967 lines is a first step, along with the dismantling of all outlying settlements. Where the issue gets sticky is with the larger settlements and the issue of the right of return. However, I think the larger settlements could be part of a land swap worked out under negotiations. The right of return may be less complicated if a recent poll suggesting that a very small percentage of Palestinian refugees actually want to return to Israel (less than 10% were the figures I saw). But again, I think these can be worked out eventually. It's getting the Israeli governement to come to and stay at the table that is the pressing issue right now. Even though most Israelis want negotiations now, the govt seems to be held hostage by extreme factions on the right.
"A thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew's fingernail"
Dov Lior, Rabbi of Kiryat Arba.
"We will carry out a greater holocaust against the
Palestinians," Matan Vilnai, Deputy Defense Minister,
1 March, 2006
"All of the Palestinians must be killed; men, women, infants, and even their beasts", Rabbi Yisrael Rosen.
Chet - this is true, but fortunately, the Haaretz boards aren't actually indicative of public opinion. In fact, if you pay close attention, you'll see its a handful of radicals, many of them American, who plague the Haaretz boards. They are all isolated rabid Zionist loonies that have to resort to being so on an internet forum because regular Israelis are sick of listening to them...
Locust - do you have a point other than to point out that every group and religion on the planet breeds crazy extremists who are, at one time or another, given entirely too much attention?
Israel does not want to resolve this conflict unless it means making the Palestinians go away, and that just ain't going to happen. Unfortunately for the Zionists they were a little too late. The twentieth century didn't have quite the stomach for displacing indigenous peoples and stealing their land as just a couple of decades before. The fact that the average Palesinian has about 5 children as opposed to two for the Israeli makes them rather nervous. I believe this is one of the reasons they try to make life so unbearable for them. However, nature works quite the opposite.
"All the Palestinians have to do to end the war they began in flagrant violation of international law and the rulings of the UN is to formally recognize Israel, and change their charters to reflect their permanent acceptance of Israel. Once that is done, negotiations for a permanent peace treaty may begin. But blaming Israel is just insane, and a complete waste of time."
Yes, and all Israel has to do to end the occupation they began in 1967 in flagrant violation of international law and continue in flagrant violation of UN rulings is to formally recognize a State of Palestine at pre-1967 borders, change their governmental charters to reflect their permanent acceptance of Palestine and dismantle the settlements, which are built in flagrant violation of international law. Once that is done, negotiations for a permanent peace treaty can begin.
This cuts both ways people and blaming either side without recognition of the faults of the other is insane. But Israel holds the power to create peace and refuses to do so. And although the Israeli govt constantly demands that recognition be a precursor to peace treaties, this is merely a smokescreen to prevent real negotiations, not to mention hypocritical since they refuse to recognize PAlestinians rights to the same thing. Hamas has offered a long-term cease-fire under which to begin negotiations towards peace, which implicitly include recognition of Israel. Israel also technically doesn't have an official State to recognize since it has never formalized it's own borders in an attempt to annex as much land as possible. As such, this makes their demand for recognition even more disingenuous and transparent.
2/3 of the Israeli population want negotiations with Hamas to start now, without even a cease-fire if necessary and it is exactly this that Hamas has offered. So who is it that is standing in the way of peace? That would be the Israeli govt, which, much like the US govt, has been hijacked by the extreme right to the detriment of all...
Full disclosure for those who don't know me on this board - I am a pro-Israeli American Jew. I just don't believe that being pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian are mutually exclusive concepts.
mikep (above) gives a very good exhibit of the stinking zionist assholes that smear everyone who tries to speak up about injustice in the middle east.
I'm a 30 yr steelworker from the Cleveland area, and I worked, along with hundreds of other trade unionists supporting Dennis Kucinich's reelection bid. His opposition was heavily funded by AIPAC (and it was published by the World Jewish News). The reason was that Dennis had the audacity to state that the US needed a more even-handed approach toward middle east diplomacy, that Israel should withdraw to its legal borders and that there should be a Palestinian state. Well, we kicked thaose bastards' asses. Jerks like Mikep should be aware that, far from "defending Israel," those zionists that came to Ohio, pockets overflowing with bribery money, opened a great many eyes to the real role that Israel is playing today---supporing the most pro-corporate, most war-like, most racist and reactionary forces everywhere on the globe.
Those forces are the same forces that, a generation ago, opposed allowing jewish refugees into the US, opposed the state of Israel and were the pervaors of anti-semitism (the 'real' variety) in their own lives. It is not the progressive forces world-wide that are against the state of Israel. It is the most racist and reactionary forces within Israel, and supporting that state, that have chosen to tie their national star to forces that, a generation ago, supported Nazism and the extermination of the Jewish people. It is ONLY those forces that will, today, support the aparteid state that the Israeli racists are building where the state of Israel previously existed.
It is these zionist forces that are pitting Israel against all decent, peace loving peoples of the world. Don't occupy Arab lands, deny them their most basic human rights and then blame the world for recoiling in horror.
A few years ago, I was on security at a large event sponsored by churches, peace groups and unions in Cleveland which had an Israeli peace leader and the mayor of the city of Nazareth spoke. JDL types appeared (to "defend" Israel), sporting knives and clubs. When they attempted to attack the stage we had to forcefully remove some of these terrorist filth. I was attacked with a knive. When the local Jewish nationality press appeared however, the story was about how "poor jewish youth were assualted by vicious Arab thugs!" Well, it wasn't "vicious Arab thugs" that removed those provacators and it is not anti-semitism when the entire world sees Israeli racist repression against the Palestinian people and speaks out against it!
Israel is facing a growing danger! However, it is actually coming from those right wing elements that want to use Israel for their own battering ram against the Arab peoples. The more those stinking bastards come to our nation, attempting to force extreme right-wing, pro-corporate rulers on us here, the more they make real enemies for that deformed racist theocracy occupying the middle east!
Unionguy - I agree with most of your post, but I need to point out a critical error in your argument. "Those stinking bastards" are not Israelis coming to the US to influence our government. They are American citizens, Jewish and Christian, who blindly support Israel. Hell, most politicians in Congress and our so-called president can be termed Zionist and I agree that this is the greatest threat to Israel and Jews outside of Israel because it justifies and kindles real anti-Semitism. But it's important to recognize that AIPAC is an American organization run by Americans and not to cross over into xenophobia about foreigners.
I have a two important items to share with this forum. The first I am proud to say I brought to the attention of Common Dreams and requested they post on their site, and they did, in think 6 years ago. Secondly, a one-minute You Tube video clip I found on Cyrano's Journal on HR 1955 that ties-in with this article by Johann Hari ominously.
Common Dreams' homepage has at the bottom right, 'Middle East in Crisis - Links' to the 'Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. Where you will find -
The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict Published by Jews for Justice in the Middle East. It is more than a powerful resource in its concise and unimpeachable quotations that put to rest fallacious arguments otherwise hard to dispute for most of us. Each chapter ends with the table of contents, and as today is the 60th anniversary of Israel, that chapter Statehood and Expulsion - 1948 would be of most interest, from which you can easily go chronologically to 'Early History of the Region' or to the 'Conclusion I For Jewish Readers or Conclusion II.
DESCRIPTION: HR 1955, proposed by Jane Harman (D-Calif.) criminalizes all dissident freedom of speech as essentially seditious and supportive of "terror" or some other bogeyman being trotted out by the system. It was passed by near unanimity in the House, with only 6 votes abstaining or not voting. Trust the Democrats!
Nay HI-1 Abercrombie, Neil [D]
Nay IL-12 Costello, Jerry [D]
Nay TN-2 Duncan, John [R]
Nay AZ-6 Flake, Jeff [R]
Nay OH-10 Kucinich, Dennis [D]
Nay CA-46 Rohrabacher, Dana [R]
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no lawrespecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Therefore, HR 1955 is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and is 'Null and Void' beyond a reasonable doubt, and We, the people. will not submit to repression and tyranny. Who was Rep. Harman's legislative assistance on this, Alan Dershowitz!
Are the (non-miraculous) events in the Old Testament even approximately true? (Some of us already know about the supposed 'miracles' -- they didn't happen.) Wouldn't it be even sadder than it already is, if all the present day strife in Palestine can be traced back to campfire stories, myths and fables of people who have been dead for millenia, and who never intended for their evening entertainment to be taken as true descriptions of actual events? I'm reminded of the movie 'Zardoz'.
Every time I read more and more about what the Isrealis are doing to the Palestinians I think about this song that was written back in 1993 and it still holds true.
HAILLIE SELLASSE, UP YOR ASS by Propagandhi
"You speak of Rastafari, but how can you justify belief in a God that's left you behind. You simply fill the gap between the upper and lower class and your faith merely keeps you in line. An amalgamation of jewish scripture and christian thought. What will that get you? Not a f***ing f**k of a lot. Take a look at your promised land. Your deed is that gun in your hand. Mt. Zion's a minefield. The West Bank. The Gaza strip… Soon to be parking lots for American tourists and fascist cops. F**k zionism. F**k militarism. F**k americanism. F**k nationalism. F**k religion."
I've lost several lifelong "friends" because I disagreed with Israeli policy. They were not interested in debate. Apparently, Israel can do no wrong, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an anti-semite.
Bup, actually the Jews who founded Israel were fiercely secular and the majority of the population today is secular. However, the selection of the location for the state of Israel is based on biblical sources and that is used by Orthodox Jews and Israel and other Jews outside of Israel to rationalize Israel's position. But, by and large, Israelis don't feel connected to the land solely for religious reasons. They are connected because it is supposed to be a safe haven for Jews, which was sorely needed after the Holocaust.
Just for clarification, I'm not defending anything, just giving background for a poster...