"why would I have any regrets?"

All she did was advocate genocide. It's not like she criticized Israel.

Is it fair to assume that by "obliterate" she means "use hydrogen and neutron bombs to kill everyone" in Iran?

I am reminded of the commercial that was broadcast when Barry Goldwater was running for President against Lyndon Johnson (as Goldwater had said he wouldn't rule out a first nuclear strike):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyVn9k6d1og

Meet the new boss.....

Dr. Strangelove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxrWz9XVvls

Scary woman.
Why doesn't she just go away?
Like all Republicans/bullies, she just hangs in there even when it's obvious no one wants her around.

I'm not looking forward to having the lecher-pervert husband of hers in the White House again. They're an embarrassing couple.

The controlled US media was all over her so she lock steps and all of a sudden if you noticed the media has backed off some.
Great if IRAN is hit you need a low interest lone to fill the gas tank. The US economy will stop and 50% of the country out of work. Big locks on the door and the clip full so you can sleep safe at night

And of course a small gratuitous mention of Reverend Wright's connection to Obama at the end of the article. Certainly can't let that one rest, now can we, even when the topic has nothing to do with Wright.

Living under the boot heel of Hillary. Chomping at the bit to show these middle eastern countries who's boss, as Bush is a slacker. I really can't wait.

Doesn't the pursuit of power make for the best and most attractive qualities in human beings? In my view, she's just another injured and malnoursihed ego attempting to play out her personal pathologies through the protective cloth of politics. Sadly, her character qualities are common among her colleagues.

Well, given her penchant for hyperbole and tough talk, it's no wonder that she is garnering the "dumb-ass" vote! Go, HRC, Madeline Albright, Richard Holbrook, and that skeleton in the closet, Billy boy!

How pathetic!

The U.S. doesn't need another dynasty; we need a robust democracy, and Hillary is the farthest thing from this.

THEY WILL DO ANYTHING FOR POWER!

I'd love to see a woman in the WH, but Barbara Jordan is no longer available.

Quit the race, Hillary, before the comparisons to 1988 and 1972 become too apparent!

Hillary/McCain: that is the winning ticket for the ignorant populace of this country. It appears that we have not reached bottom and intervention is not yet called for by enough people. I, personally, do not have the resources to survive another such regime. Let's have a blatant campaign accusing the American people of ignorance and complicity in genocide if they vote for this ticket.

Enough Said:
I am committed to Oneness through Justice and Transformation
peace,
st john

st john, I've had that same thought myself. It would seem the populace has been sufficiently dumbed down and are ready for outright neutering..Why not just stop having elections all together at this point? The media can just let us know who the Kleptocracy coronated this election.

During his interview with Tim Russert, Obama was quizzed about his relationship with the controversial pastor Jeremiah Wright.
Interesting, is it not, that the "news" media are completely obsessed with this single "relationship" and appear totally disinterested in others that are much more influential in determining both the outcome of the "democratic" process and their ultimate impacts on US domestic and foriegn policies.

Even if one leaves aside the obvious and ubiquitous AIPAC influence on all of the candidates for both of the "parties", Obama's claim that "Washington lobbyists haven't funded my campaign, they won't run my White House" appears questionable at best. One might expect that contibutions from the likes of Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse might generate at least a few questions -- unless one supposes that controversial remarks by his former preacher count for more in that context than financial contributions totalling $2,872,128 during the primary season alone.

There's a reason why the Republicans want to run against Hillary---they know that she will bring out their base in the fall. They lost the election in 2006 because their base was demoralized by the corruption and deficit-spending of the Bushites, and they stayed home. Hillary is the one hope they have of getting out the neo-fascist base. If you want to see McCain in the White House then get out there and support the most polarizing figure in modern American politics---Hillary Clinton

She loves Israel so much she would commit genocide on over 70 million people. She should go live in Israel.

Iran has no plans to nuke Israel. They aren't stupid.

I'm sure that both Hillary and Obama will show their anti-war bona fides by voting against the continued supplemental war funding ($108) that allows Bush continue this imperialist oil-war, AND vote against the additional $70 continuing war funding that would give the next democrat faux-emperor the funds to continue the very same imperialist oil-war for the very same 'corporatist Empire' hiding behind the facade of this TWO-PARTY 'Vichy' government.

Well, I'm as sure of that as anyone could be when considering the sleazy, guileful planning that all the gutless complicit, sneaky neoliberal-war-whore dems are doing to continue this very tactic for their corporatist Empire.

Dems sleazy funding plans for continuing the Iraq war (and possibly funding a new Iran war) caught on tape:

Unfortunately the lying, sneaky, gutless and fully complicit Democrats are already scheming to fund this continuing corporatist Empire's immoral, illegal, and imperialist oil-war in Iraq (and Iran) not only until the end of the Bush regime, with another $108B, BUT ALSO well into the beginning of their own corporatist regime, with ANOTHER $70B ---- specifically for whichever lying warmonger the Democrats get to appoint as the next faux-Emperor for this very same 'corporatist Empire' hiding behind the facade of the two-party 'Vichy' American government!!!

Here's the sad story today (5/3), of the Democrats' scheming infamy, caught in the act by ABC News (hardly a left wing source):

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4773315

"The request comes as Democrats on Capitol Hill are struggling to move Bush's pending $108 billion request for the current year. Democratic leaders say they're likely to add the $70 billion for next year to that measure, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM TO AVOID A POLITICALLY PAINFUL VOTE ON WAR FUNDING IN THE HEAT OF CAMPAIGNING FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS."

Gutless, complicit pond-scum!!!

The Democrats also participated in the sneaky acceptance of Bush's
secret executive 'findings' last month to begin covert 'start-a-war' provocations
(with $300M black funding) against Iran --- as reported by Andrew (Cockburn
in Counterpunch today.

http://www.counterpunch.org/andrew05022008.html

Nice bipartisan secret war plans by Bush and BOTH parties.

While I disagree with Hillary Clinton on Israel, I did understand her thinking about Iran and thought it was very fair and evenhanded. In fact, I thought her whole entire Q&A with the voters in Indiana was FANTASTIC! She is the best of the 3, which isn't saying as much as I'd like (I'll vote outside the Dem-Repub box), her answers were thoughtful and SUBSTANTIVE. Contrast with Barack Obama, who offers zero leadership, no substance, and deserves to lose.

As I've stated before Neo-Cons(Neo -Libs) come in all shapes, sizes ,colors and sexes .

They have offered the slaves 3 Masters to choose from ,so to exchange ideas about which sock puppet will treat us the best is simply laughable .

And tragic ..

With the republicans, science is the enemy. With Clinton, education is the enemy. Thus, Obama is the enemy for asking people to think before making threats against countries that are no threat to us. I wish that during a debate a interviewer would straight out ask the candidates to describe our relationship with Iran. I suspect that they both would suggest that our relationship with Iran would improve under their leadership, but thanks to Hillary's 'obliterate' comment, it only looks like Barack would mean it. IMO, Hillary is just waiting for another Gulf of Tonkin.

One more thing: Iran has a young population. One-fourth of Iran's population consists of children under 15 years of age. Only a soulless creature would look forward to killing them all.

Perhaps Shillary believes that if she becomes president it will make up for the public humiliation and degradation she was forced to endure regarding her husband's lecherous behavior with Monica Lewinsky.

If she's the nominee, I'll vote 3rd party since she's a Republican anyway.

That's two down and one to go. Soon there will none. Then what? A vote to secede like Bolivia perhaps...

I wish the US had a real 3rd party then it could keep the other 2 in line some

I watched that hour long program with Obama and Tim Russert, where Obama was given free reign to attack Clinton and offer his excuses for stiffing his long time friend and advisor Pastor Wright. ___ It ran twice yesterday.

When asked abut Isreal, Obama said we must 'always' protect Isreal from their enemies. Well spoken, like all good born again Christians. ___ When asked about pulling our troops out of Iraq, he said we must begin sometime next year, with a perhaps a 'brigade' every month or so and it would take a few years to accomplish that. He didn't mention the 104 acre embassy in Baghdad or KBRs Blackwater troops.

When asked about clean energy and nuclear energy, he said we must persue the nuclear option, but first insure the atomic waste was handeled properly and that "clean" coal was also an option. ___ Uh-huh. Obviously he does not have a clue of what he is talking about on those issues, he's just repeating spin bull he learned from his big supporter General Electric.

General Electric who also controls much of our FREE press and insures a presidential candidate of THEIR choice gets hours of free time to advertize themselves on a high ranking program, ___ just prior to a important primary elections in Indiana and N.Carolina.

Truly immoral and deeply offensive to anyone with a conscience. We are still in the grip of empire and war mongers, not to mention the Israeli government. Our karma will crush us. Obama is the only way out and up at this point. Clinton or McCain will destroy all of the crumbs that lil' george didn't steal. Scary!

Hillary's lust for power is evidenced by her character degeneration right before our eyes. Wow! What a show!

I hate and fear the Republicans as much as anybody, but if Clinton is the nominee, I will not be able to hold my nose and vote for her. I will miss my first election since '72.

I am so sick of these warmongers.

I don't see what choice we have BUT to take a strong stance with Iran. Iran DOES threaten Israel (and the US) all the time and we're to trust that the nuclear capability they have been working on is for peaceful purposes. Sorry, I just can't buy it.

I hate Hillary - I think she's a no good Marxist piewagon....but I'd take her over Obama anyday - she at least knows that there needs to be harsh rhetoric when you're dealing with a violent theocracy such as Iran.

And all Obama wants is to have a military SURGE in Afganastan and keep the pressure on the evil Iran and protect Isreal. He's the man. His votes as a U.S. Senator prove that.

Yeah and Iran has attacked sooooo many others and the NIE report that states they have no nuclear facility making amy type of atomic weapons is bogus of course.

Leaving Iraq now guarantees our return in 5-10 years.

The whole conversation accepts a lot of lies about Iran.

Iran has never invaded a neighboring country unprovoked. In something like centuries. And our own CIA says Iran discontinued their nuclear program years ago. Of course, the corporate media, the corporate candidates and the corporate trolls try very hard to ignore that last point.

Iran doesn't need to be 'reined in'. They aren't building a bomb. That's what the experts from the CIA to the IAEA all say. So, all of this, the whole friggin discussion is built upon lies as big as the ones that got us stuck in Iraq and that have cost us more dead than 9-11.

"Leaving Iraq now guarantees our return in 5-10 years."

Only if we continue to think that we have to waste our lives and our tax money being the world's policeman. And a particularly nosy and uptight policeman at that.

Its all bs. Its just more of the same lies and bs from the same people who spread the lies and the bs that got us into this mess in the first place.

Who would you listen to now? The people who were dead wrong on Iraq the whole damn time? Or the people who were right about Iraq and said not to invade in the first place.

How the hell do you KNOW they aren't building a bomb? I don't want these people in charge of a tank division, let alone a nuclear reactor.

They either disarm or they get attacked.

Reverend Wright DARED to speak truth to power. For this he has been publicly castigated and vilified. Is a 'Malcolm X' or 'MLK Jr.' moment in his future? My guess would be yes.

Hillary Clinton panders to the fearful, calls for genocide and pre-emptive nuclear strikes against an innocent sovereign nation in a hypothetical scenario of an attack on Israel, a county reknowned for unprovoked attacks and false flag operations of it's murderous intelligence service, the Mossad. IF she was President, an unprovoked attack on Iran is a certainty.

AngstOfThePeople- Nice to see a CIA psy-ops watchdog in here. Hilary is no marxist. She is an obedient CORPORATE CAPITALIST!

Who would you listen to now? The people who were dead wrong on Iraq the whole damn time? Or the people who were right about Iraq and said not to invade in the first place.

- neither - I'd listen to their psychotic leadership of murderous clerics and the elected leadership who tout death to america, death to israel as a matter of routine. they are not to be trusted and their goal of a global, destructive jihad is undeniable.

Strike or be struck.

Obama = McCain = Hillary.

They all have basically the same plan for Iraq. They dress it up in different words and try to sound different. But every damn one of them says we'll still have troops in Iraq at the end of the next President's term. And they all want to try to reduce the number of troops. We might be talking a difference of 10,000 troops plus or minus in Iraq. Maybe Obama pulls a few out a little sooner than McCain. But mostly, its all just about rhetoric. Do we want Americans dying to right-wing rhetoric or to centrist corporate rhetoric? Either way, Americans will keep dying if any of these three is elected.

she's marxist enough for me, friend. as to your hero Wright - he's nothing more than an arrogant windbag who likes the sound of his own voice - it wouldn't surprise me however, if Lady Miss Cankles and the DNC leadership (racists behind the scenes anyway) bankrolled his stupidity.

My guess would be that this sociopath and the other one from the Whitehouse get together Sundays after bible study and share frogs and firecrackers. So many helpless frogs and so many firecrackers for the People to pay for someday.

~ANGST OF THE PEOPLE~ Return to Iraq for what reason?

Oh yeah, forgot, silly me. To find their WMDs and make sure the Iraqis don't pull off another 9-11. __ Oh no forget that, it's because Osama bin Laden is in Pakistan. ___Oops wait, we have to return to Iraq in five years to promote democracy. ___ That's it, you're right ANGST, we'd better stay .

We've got our own dangerous clerics over here too.

Please provide exact quotes and sources of the elected leadership that is saying that. Is it the Prime minister, or some member of parliament? Your posts are very typical of the sort of propaganda bs that is spread in that you assert lots of things but never prove they are true.

Can you find quotes from Iraqi clerics and elected officials that are any crazier than the quotes I can find from American clerics and elected officials?

And, exactly how will they strike us? The whole myth of Iraq being a threat to us was based on the lies that they had WMDs. It turns out even Saddam had no way to hurt us but maybe throw spitballs at us. So, please be specific on exactly what threats we are countering? The only thing I can think of would be a terror cell, and the troops we have in Iraq would be completely useless in stopping that. Its more likely that the hatred they create would contribute to that attack than it is they'd do anything useful to stopping it. Remember, 9-11 was planned in Hamburg, Florida and San Diego.

And, why are you here anyways? You obviously don't agree with the thinking here. Is this your shift at the army psyops center?

Kem -

Hmm Im thinking maybe because we leave, we see more Iranian backed punks like al Sadr take over - creating more land and oil for Iran so she might wage a wider war against Israel and other Western allies.

But thats ok with you and yours, I know.

AngstofthePeople - How do I know YOU are not building a bomb? You better disarm or get attacked.

Do you realize how stupid you sound?

But I do agree that we should strike, but like the dock workers did, not against Iran.

I still crack up at this notion that Hillary is a socialist or a marxist. That's so freaking funny. She's a methodist Republican who went to elite private schools and then worked as a corporate attorney. She's so far from being a marxist that she'd need the hubble space telescope to even see a marxist!

Anyone who claims Hillary is a marxist is just showing their complete political ignorance.

And, why are you here anyways? You obviously don't agree with the thinking here

- free exchange of ideas, perhaps. devils advocacy? the Internet isn't a place of walls and borders for people like you to spout your garbage unchecked?

Im a consumer of news and opinion. Sorry you don't like the idea of an exchange.

AngstOfThePeople May 5th, 2008 1:48 pm -- "I'd listen to their psychotic leadership of murderous clerics and the elected leadership who tout death to america, death to israel as a matter of routine."

Well, if your preference is for listening to psychotic leadership and murderous clerics, you needn't strain your ears.

Arvy

I realize the psychos are on both sides - but we havent spoke of erasing the Jews, now have we?

If I ran the Circus Mcgurkis the Clintons would face a public lynching along with the Bush Crime Family.

And if I ran the Circus Mcgurkis we'd be best friends with all of the Arab nations at the expense of our relations with that make believe land Israel.

The funny thing is that the Sadr's hated the Iranians before we got there and pushed them together. Of course, someone like Angst is too @$@#$@ clueless to know any real history of the area.

Sadr's relatives were clerics who opposed Saddam. Two of them were executed by Saddam for this. When other clerics were fleeing to Iran, the Sadrs refused. Instead basically laid low and hit out in Iraq because they didn't like or trust the Iranians.

Other clerics and leaders opposed to Saddam did flee to Iran. They are the ones we put into power. That's the government.

Its only in the last few years with the puppet Iragi government and the Americans putting pressure on Sadr that he's accepted the only help left to him, the Iranians. Ie, we pushed them together.

Nice job right-wing neocons. Another 'mission accomplished' you can chalk up to you moronic policies.

Again, please provide specific quotes and sources for you claim that Iran wants to wage a wider war against either Israel or the west.

And now sadr is being backed by tehran - try living in the now.

What Angst is doing is an old polictical tactic. Hitler did it in the 1920's or 1930's, and its been in their playbook ever since. They used to have to send people physically to meetings to try to disrupt their opposition. Nowadays they can do it over the internet.

Note how he's managed to divert the entire discussion to his topic ... basically his crazy made-up stuff he refuses to document or source or backup in anyways.

My bad, I fell for it and responded to his crap.

Maybe he'll go away. Its got to be lunch time in the army psyops center soon.