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The 2008 Presidential Race: A 1972 Redux?
The desperate tactics employed by Senator Hillary Clinton to capture the Democratic presidential nomination from Senator Barack Obama contain some remarkable parallels with the efforts of another favored candidate of the party establishment to block the nomination of another insurgent Democrat 36 years ago. In both cases, the establishment candidate -- with little chance late in the primary campaign of obtaining enough delegates to secure the nomination -- committed to a strategy of not only trying to twist the rules so to pull off a coup at the convention, but engaging in systematic attacks against the front-runner in ways that appeared to be designed to weaken him in the very areas that would most benefit the Republicans in the general election campaign.
In 1972, the leader late in the Democratic primary race was South Dakota Senator George McGovern who -- like Obama -- had galvanized youthful voters, anti-war activists, small donors and other party progressives in a grass roots campaign that had brought new life and energy into a party which had narrowly lost the election four years earlier with a weak pro-war candidate at the helm. At the start of the campaign, the Republicans had looked vulnerable in November, with an unpopular war dragging on and an incumbent administration beset by scandals. However, as the liberal Midwestern senator defied expectations by running up a string of primary victories, former Vice-President Hubert Humphrey -- who, like Clinton, seemed to feel that he was owed the nomination and the chance to be president -- sought to both discredit McGovern in the eyes of voters and re-write the rules for seating state delegations at the party's convention that summer.
The Credentials Fight
In 1972, rather than a winner-take-all system as in previous statewide presidential primary elections, Democratic Party reformers successfully encouraged virtually all primary states to agree to divide their delegates roughly proportional to the popular vote. In the case of California, however -- then the last major state to vote in the primary calendar, in which Humphrey had been predicted to win a plurality -- Humphrey's supporters prevailed over McGovern backers and other reformers in rejecting proportionality, getting the state party to agree that all of California's delegates be assigned to the winner of the primary.
Much to the chagrin of the party establishment, however, it was McGovern who ended up winning the California primary and all of the state's delegates. Several weeks later, however, Humphrey and his influential supporters convinced party leaders to retroactively assign the delegates proportionally. This dispute was critical since, if McGovern was able to keep all his delegates, he would have a sufficient number to be nominated on the first ballot. With California's large delegation split proportionally, however, he would fall just short of an overall majority, thereby enabling party bosses to hand the nomination to Humphrey on the second ballot. With the credentials battle still undecided, two separate delegations came from California to Miami for the convention, with neither delegation allowed to be seated until the convention as a whole voted on the issue the night before the balloting for president. Despite this desperate effort to, in McGovern's words, "put Humpty-Dumpty together again," the delegates in the convention hall voted to allow McGovern to keep all of his delegates. As a result, Humphrey withdrew his name from consideration and McGovern was nominated by an overwhelming majority.
Unfortunately, this bruising fight left the party bitterly divided, contributing to McGovern's defeat in November.
(This fight at the convention also led to another major setback for McGovern's presidential hopes: with so much time and energy by McGovern and his aides focused upon the credentials battle and unsure until the last minute that he would even be the party's nominee, the choice of a running mate had to be made hastily and at the last minute. As a result, McGovern chose Missouri senator Thomas Eagleton, who was revealed shortly after his nomination to have struggled with serious bouts of depression and had undergone electroshock therapy. McGovern was then pressured to take the unprecedented step of dropping Eagleton from the ticket -- replacing him with Sargent Shriver -- thereby resulting in an additional controversy which further doomed McGovern's candidacy.)
In a similar scenario, Clinton appears to be attempting to get the Democratic Party leadership to retroactively re-write the rules allocating delegates so to wrest the nomination away from Obama, this time in regard to the delegations representing Michigan and Florida. After initially agreeing to not recognize the results of the primaries in these states in deference to party leaders who saw the votes as too early in the calendar, Clinton is now insisting that the results be honored. In Michigan, Obama withdrew his name from the ballot as requested by party officials while Clinton kept her name on the ballot, thereby running essentially unopposed. Not surprisingly, she won, and is now insisting that the majority of Michigan's delegates be assigned to her. Though Obama and the other candidates' names did appear on the ballot in the Florida primary, which Clinton also won, Obama was still put at an unfair disadvantage, since -- without the opportunity for voters to get to know him -- it was easy for the better-known Clinton to coast to victory. Indeed, in virtually every primary, polls initially showed Obama far behind Clinton before active campaigning began, with Obama's support increasing once he began touring the state and advertizing his message. In honoring party rules, however, he never got a chance to do so in Florida.
If the results of the remaining primaries and the preferences of the remaining uncommitted super-delegates are even remotely close to what is expected, Obama should have little trouble winning the nomination on the first ballot. However, if Clinton's credentials challenges succeed and the Florida and Michigan delegations are seated based upon these non-contested primaries, it will be far more difficult for Obama to emerge as the nominee.
In any case, if Clinton chooses to press the issue, there is a real possibility of a nasty and divisive credentials fight at the 2008 Democratic convention in Denver, just as there was at the 1972 Democratic convention in Miami, thereby making a Democratic victory in the general election far less likely.
Reinforcing Republican Stereotypes
Like the Clintons and the Democratic Party elites today, Humphrey and the party establishment of 1972 were willing to attack McGovern in language that reinforced the worst stereotypes about the left-wing of their party, thereby alienating the independent, moderate Republican, and centrist Democratic voters who would be needed to win the general election. Both in 1972 and today, it appears as if there was an effort to insure that the anti-establishment candidate and his popular grass roots movement would, in having the temerity to best the old guard's anointed leader, go down to defeat in November. Humphrey, like Clinton today, behaved as if he believed that if he and his allies could no longer control the Democratic Party, they were willing to destroy its chances of capturing the White House that year.
There are indeed a whole series of discomforting parallels between these two races for Democratic presidential nomination: By twisting his opponent's words, engaging in guilt-by-association, ridiculing the front-runner's intellectual and nuanced approaches to complex problems, and portraying him as being much further to the left politically than he was in reality, Humphrey and his allies in the media and the party establishment in 1972 created a situation whereby McGovern, once he emerged as the Democratic presidential nominee that July, was so discredited in the minds of millions of voters that a victory in the general election that fall became impossible.
For example, just prior to the Nebraska primary in early May that year, the New York Times reported how "supporters of Senator Humphrey have tried to touch an anti-liberal match to the explosive issues of marijuana laws, abortion, aid to parochial schools and amnesty for draft evaders. Senator McGovern's supporters have called this a 'smear' campaign that distorted the Senator's position." Similarly, in the televised debate just prior to the California primary, Humphrey attacked McGovern's proposed cuts in military spending, claiming that "they will cut into muscle, into the very fiber of our national security." Humphrey ridiculed McGovern's proposals for fighting poverty by referring to them as "his massive unrealistic...welfare program." And, though McGovern in 1972, like Obama today, was a strong backer of Israel, the Humphrey campaign - like the Clinton campaign -- accused his opponent of being weak and suspect in his support of the Jewish state.
In its June 6 edition, six weeks prior to the Democratic convention in Miami, the New York Times noted how, "In a preview of the kind of attack the Republicans can be expected to make on Mr. McGovern," House Republican leader John Rhodes "used the words of Senator Hubert H. Humphrey, Mr. McGovern's primary rival, to picture the South Dakota Senator as an advocate of lavish Government spending and weakening defense cuts." On June 11, the paper reported how "Mr. Humphrey provided ample ammunition for the Republicans in his California attack on Mr. McGovern."
In addition, Humphrey's supporters repeatedly highlighted McGovern's longhaired and casually-dressed supporters as part of a broader effort to link this devout Methodist and committed family man with the worst excesses of the counter-culture, as well as emphasizing his failure to get as much support from traditional trade unions and white working class voters as their candidate.
Ever since McGovern's landslide defeat that November, the Democratic Party establishment has tried to claim that the loss was because McGovern was somehow too left-wing, completely ignoring that is was Humphrey and the Democratic Party establishment which systematically campaigned to portray him as too left-wing. As McGovern -- a preacher's son from a small farming town who had repeatedly won statewide races in a decidedly conservative Republican state -- put it, "How the hell do you get elected in South Dakota for 20 years if you're a wild-eyed radical?"
While there certainly were other factors, some of which were of McGovern's own making, which also contributed to his landslide loss to Richard Nixon in the November election, it was the destructive attacks by his fellow Democrats that played a decisive role. This should give pause to supporters of Hillary Clinton as to whether it makes sense to continue supporting her candidacy in light of her divisive and unfair criticisms against Obama. (See my article The Clinton Smear Campaign Against Obama.)
Vietnam and Iraq
In 1972, as today, one of the biggest issues on voters' minds was America's continued involvement in an unpopular foreign war. This gave the anti-war McGovern a decisive advantage over his leading rivals for the nomination. As a result, it was to Humphrey's advantage to try to minimize their differences.
As with Hillary Clinton in regard to the Iraq War, Hubert Humphrey had lost his once strong support among party liberals as a result of his strident support for the Vietnam War. McGovern, by contrast, had opposed the war since his election to the U.S. Senate in 1962, becoming the very first to speak out on the Senate floor in opposition. Under intense pressure from the Senate Democratic leadership, who insisted that it would provide President Lyndon Johnson with the political cover to resist calls for further escalation, the freshman McGovern joined all but two of his 535 Congressional colleagues in voting in favor the Gulf of Tonkin resolution in August 1964. For the rest of the decade and beyond, however, McGovern served as the Senate's leading anti-war voice while Humphrey, both as a senator and vice-president, was counted among Washington's leading Vietnam War supporters.
Just prior to his 1972 run for the Democratic presidential nomination, however, Humphrey belatedly and opportunistically came out against the Vietnam War, just as Hillary Clinton belatedly and opportunistically came out against the Iraq War just before she launched her candidacy last year. In the 1972 primaries, Humphrey belittled his differences with McGovern over Vietnam by insisting he was more qualified to bring the troops home and that he and McGovern were "both wrong on Vietnam," equating McGovern's reluctant support for the Gulf of Tonkin resolution with his own vigorous decade-long defense of the war while ignoring McGovern's principled leadership and steadfast opposition to the war during that same period. Similarly, Clinton has claimed that because the freshman Obama reluctantly joined his Senate colleagues in 2005 and 2006 in voting in favor of two unanimous spending bills which included continued funding for the Iraq War, he is therefore no more anti-war than she is, ignoring Obama's outspoken opposition to the war in the months leading up to the invasion while she was casting votes and giving speeches supporting it. [See my articles Obama vs. Clinton - October 2002 and Hillary Clinton on Iraq.]
Despite Humphrey's desperate effort to re-make himself an anti-war candidate during the 1972 presidential campaign, he was unable to quell the tide of support for McGovern, who - in opposing the war from the beginning -- was recognized by the majority of Democratic voters as having the necessary foresight and judgment to become president of the United States. The grass roots campaign which enabled McGovern to win the nomination signified an unprecedented mobilizing of a new generation of party activists demanding change, not just from the incumbent Republicans, but from the traditional Democratic Party foreign policy elites as well. Such insolence could not be tolerated, however, so the decision was made by Humphrey and the party establishment to try to bring him down, even though it helped guarantee the party's defeat in November.
The 2008 Campaign
In today's contest for the Democratic nomination, Obama enjoys what most independent observers believe is an almost insurmountable lead in delegates (as well a solid lead in the popular vote and in the total number of primary and caucus victories.) In order to derail Obama's chances of becoming president and sabotage the popular grass root movement which has brought him to the cusp of victory -- arguably the most exciting thing to happen to the Democratic Party in years -- Hillary Clinton has launched a series of attacks which will almost certainly fail to deny him the nomination but could very possibly cause him to lose the general election to Republican John McCain.
Just a couple of months ago, polls showed that Obama's negative ratings were at only 8%, one of the lowest ever for a serious presidential contender and one that almost guaranteed a landslide victory in November, possibly enough to result in a coattail effect that could produce a near veto-proof Democratic majority in Congress. Thanks in large part to the recent attacks by Clinton and her supporters, however, Barack Obama's negatives have now jumped to more than 40%. These polls have also indicated that the Clinton campaign's efforts to raise doubts in voters' minds about Obama's experience and his patriotism have been particularly effective.
More ominously, polls show that these attacks by Clinton and her supporters have resulted in Obama losing his once commanding lead over Senator McCain to the point that they are now in a statistical dead heat.
The Clinton campaign therefore keeps pushing the idea that Obama -- who would be the first person of color to receive a major party's presidential nomination -- is "unelectable," even though it is her attacks that are largely responsible for his decline in support. Ironically, Clinton's negative ratings in public opinion polls are far higher than Obama's and most of these polls also show her running behind McCain among likely voters in the general election.
Though Obama is not nearly as liberal as McGovern on most issues, this hasn't stopped Clinton, other Democratic leaders, and their allies in the media from trying to depict him otherwise. As journalist Robert Scheer put it, Clinton is using such tactics from the right as "radical-baiting associates to challenging his resolve in protecting the nation from foreign enemies" and Obama -- whom he accurately describes as "eminently sensible and centrist to a fault" -- is being depicted as "weak and even vaguely unpatriotic because he is thoughtful." Referring to the notorious Republican political operatives of previous elections who were largely responsible for the defeats of Democratic presidential nominees John Kerry, Al Gore and Michael Dukakis, Scheer adds "Neither Karl Rove nor Dick Morris could have done a better job."
As a result of Clinton's attacks, Obama has lost ground among moderate-to-conservative voters, more religiously-observant voters, and white working-class voters, leading political analyst John Judis of the New Republic to note how one can begin to see "the outlines of the old George McGovern coalition that haunted the Democrats during the '70s and '80s, led by college students and minorities."
Every week Clinton has engaged in such attacks against Obama, his polling numbers relative to McCain have declined. There are more than twelve weeks left before the Democratic Convention. At this rate, unless Clinton radically modifies her campaign strategy or shortly ends her quest for the nomination, Barack Obama - like George McGovern - may be destined to go down in defeat to the Republican nominee in November.
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Show AllWhile the author has presented an astute analysis of two Democratic campaigns, the article doesn't really tell us anything that we didn't already know about Clinton's desperation. .
When Hillary used Geraldine Ferraro to develop race as an issue, most of us could easily foresee the rank bitterness that would characterize Clinton's later attacks on Obama.
Those folks who said months ago that Hillary would do anything to get the nomination obviously knew their subject well.
jj
Blaming Hubert Humphrey for McGovern's miserable campaign performance and loss in the general election...
Obamabots like Stephen Zunes will try literally anything to smear Hillary Clinton, meanwhile pretending that the Clinton campaign is responsible for all the negativity in the Democratic primaries.
Obama pretends to oppose NAFTA and votes for NAFTA-Peru? Blame Hillary Clinton!
Obama spends 20 years with his best friend and spiritual advisor Jeremiah "God damn America!" Wright? Blame Hillary Clinton!
And if the slippery and insubstantial Mr. Obama actually gets the nomination and loses in a landslide?
Blame Hillary Clinton!
None of this nonsense could possibly be negative, because Obamabots have already assigned all the negativity in the campaign a priori to Hillary Clinton.
If we have not learned anything in 36 years then we do not deserve a President such as Obama seems likely to be.
Democrats can and must rally behind the obvious Nominee. Like Joe Andrews said yesterday, the time for allowing Billary to dictate the agenda has past.
Ray O. Driskill
Stephen Zunes states, "More ominously, polls show that these attacks by Clinton and her supporters have resulted in Obama losing his once commanding lead over Senator McCain to the point that they are now in a statistical dead heat." This statement has merit only if one subscribes to the notion that we have only two parties that are in opposition to each other. We do not. We have one corrupt Corporate Party with two heads orchestrating the pretense that a democratic election/process is in progress. It is not.
When the system narrows the endpoints of the allowable parameters within the presidential election and extends them to be the limits of what it will only accept, then what appears to be major differences between candidates are anything but. No matter which one of the corporate presented puppets wins, Obama, Hillary, McCain, we still get the corporate puppet. And the debates, squabbles, and talking head orchestrated controversies and "news" reporting is mere miasma for the naive. There is comfort in living within our delusions but there is little progress to be gained from it. And that is why the candidacy of Ralph Nader is so important.
Excellent article.
Jacob Freeze, are you suggesting that Hillary is not running a negative campaign against Obama? She has said herself that she intended to switch to a negative campaign when he was winning and would throw the kitchen sink at him so the super delegates would have no realistic choice but to vote for her. And she's been doing that and she hasn't stopped doing it. Explain that! If you can.
kathyodat
Clinton is a politician. Obama pretends he is not one. He offers voters a cynically audacious "hope for change" vapor platform. Clinton offers only the rhetoric of what is possible. Clinton has some unfortunate mis-steps like the gas tax holiday proposal. Better that than an entire candidacy that is a sham.
I don't think Obama or Hillary even on the same ticket can win in November. Their both too right of center and a big group of democrats won't vote for either one of them.
Get ready for another four years of Republican rule with the democrats in congress brown-nosing them.
I voted for Bill Clinton in 92/96. I saw after New Hamshire that Hillary would try to take or steel the nomination by hook or crook, and your very accurate on the similarities of 72/2008. I was a teenager an in April/May of 72 I was very enthusiastic about McGovern. However I feel voters are going to have the mindset of "Well McCain, - you have to understand he has many years of experience and the the serious situation in the Middle East, a newcomer may not find it so easy to make major decisions on our Foreign Policy." So get ready for another 4 years of Republican administration and hope that maybe another "WaterGate" will happen, in time to save the country.
she's a devious b*tch. so what's news?
Hillary would be fine - if it wasn't for the excess baggage that she carries around with her (including Bill) not to mention her flights of fantasy (sniper fire for instance). The Republicans are salivating because they can fight her so much better than Obama come fall. With Obama they have to tiptoe around the race issue but they have been Hillary bashing since 1992 and are particularly well practiced at it.
I would love to see a woman in the White House but not this one. Maybe Cindy Sheehan in 2016. Go Cindy!!!!!
Casey Burns
Remember Hubert Horatio Humphrey?, the Happy Warrior full of phony bonhomie, lecturing everyone that life is to be enjoyed, not endured, self-styled protector of the Little Guy. Yet his hands (like his boss, LBJ)were permanently covered with the blood of countless Vietnamese and Americans. Sounds like the current Dragon Lady, HRC. Substitute Iraq for Vietnam. The Daily Show ran a clip of her talking about where she was and how she felt when MLK was assassinated. It was one of the greatest extravaganzas of phoniness I've ever witnessed. It rid me of any idea of ever supporting her. Ghastly!
Good post,Jacob Freeze!! No matter what the situation, let`s all blame that most miserable example of a candidate in history, Hillary (barf) Clinton. We can even go back 20 years if we have to and dredge up unproven sludge from Drudge.
If Obama cannot even win over this most despised of all people and the first woman candidate to run for President, how will he stand a chance against a great war hero?
Obama apparently never has a negative thought, and certainly would never stoop to anything but positive platitudes, but will that lofty attitude work against the Republican smear masters in the general election?
Hillary Clinton, who was always extemely flawed and somewhat unbalanced, has evolved during this nominating process into a silly pandering clown. That she was always just a front person for the DLC and its Republican-lite policies was a given, but that she would become such a cartoonish figure could not have been predicted.
Barring some miracle, the corporate media's favorite will almost certainly prevail. That favorite has always been Madman McCain, but the way that the members of the media have swooned over Clinton's clownish performance, their paymasters might flirt with the idea of using the opportunity to co-opt US feminism by selecting a female fascist to act as the head of the empire. However, if they do decide to stick with McCain, they could crush her like an inconsequential bug by focusing on the associations, misstatements, outright fabrications, and financial improprieties of her and her husband, in addition to the innumerable upcoming allegations and speculations by the right-wing echo chamber regarding her and her husband's personal relationships.
As a historian and activist by trade, I can appreciate the depth of insight this author brings to his subject. And given that the Democrats are experts at grasping defeat from the jaws of victory, it is also amusing given the fall back position of the party elites running the show: i.e., Nader will again be the scapegoat once they lose again thanks to the scorched earth policies followed by Clinton and her cronies.
What if millions of Obama supporters signed a solemn pledge that they will never under any circumstances vote for Hillary Clinton? Then Clinton might be forced to bow out to prevent certain Demcratic defeat. Anyone want to start an on-line petition? MoveOn?
Jacob Freeze May 2nd, 2008 1:03 pm
"Blame Hillary Clinton!
None of this nonsense could possibly be negative, because Obamabots have already assigned all the negativity in the campaign a priori to Hillary Clinton."
Yes but you must remember that Blame is the name of the game for the entire Deomocratic Party, Blame Clinton for '08, Blame Humphrey for '72 Blame Nader for '00 & '04, Blame Bush for all war that Democrats continue to fund, Blame the Republicans because the Democrats have no core commonality. Face it Democrats are Losers, a faux opposition party, befuddled fools, that is their role in the new fascist America.
A great war hero… George Mc Govern was a great war hero if you want to count his missions over Germany. He didn't get shot down in many attempts. McCain who is a heralded POW from the Vietnam debacle seems to have forfeited any hero status when he decided to support torture in order to gain the presidency. Pity, for I always liked him back before he sold his soul…
Obama ain't no George McGovern. Not even close. Too bad!
One thing that's starting to get under my skin is these constant attempts to connect Obama with various Democrats of the past. There seems to be a steady stream of these that try to associate Obama in people's minds with JFK, MLK Jr, RFK, FDR, now McGovern.
The problem is, Obama ain't shown any sign of being anything like any of these people. For instance, McGovern ran on a clearly defined platform to end the Vietnam War.
Obama has opposed the war. Then he's supported the war. He's voted to fund the war. Then he voted to not fund the war. He voted of political theater bills that pretend to want to stop the war. He has not supported a filibuster of the money that would have really ended the war. He's promised that US troops will still be in Iraq in 2012. But he also makes vague statements about withdrawing 'combat brigades'.
Obama ain't no George McGovern. Too bad, because we could use a George McGovern in the Democratic party right now. But oh, wait a minute. The Democratic party establish types hated McGovern and have smeared him constantly and don't want his type in the party. The Superdelegate rules in the news today are all the party establilshment's system to make sure a McGovern never again gets the nomination.
Obama ain't no George McGovern. And the Democrats are very, very clear that they don't want any more George McGovern's in their party.
I would like for a Clinton supporter here to please offer an example of a negative attack by Obama.
Exclude attacks on policy or voting, please. Those are dealing with actual differences and issues.
Provide an example of Obama doing something of the sort Clinton does daily. A personal attack. A time he brought up Whitewater, Monica, her past association with Wright, you know, something Rovian like the Clinton campaign daily avails itself of.
I'm eagerly anticipating your long list.
McCain won't win. American elections are decided by corporate money. The corporate money has switched parties in this election. From the beginning its been flowing heavily to the Democrats, and really only Obama and Hillary. Follow the money and you'll find the winner (unless there's a popular revolt that rejects these corporate candidates).
Obama has the most money. Obama is corporate America's choice for the next Pres.
deathearn - I actually did sign such a pledge prior to the campaigns beginning. If I remember correctly, it was at The Nation, and the pledge was to not vote for anyone who voted for the illegal Iraq invasion. I would imagine thousands of others signed it, but would certainly do so again.
If you can get it happening, let me know please.
Obama's campaign is better at using surrogates to deliver the nasty attacks. True, you probably won't find the words coming out of Obama's mouth. But there's no shortage of nasty anti-Hillary articles around that come from Obama supporters.
Thus, in yet another way, Obama reminds me of Bush. The same techniques keep popping up. I was trying to research in 2003 the lies that Bush himself told about the Iraq war. But it was hard, because he really told very few himself. But there were surrogates and officials and right-wing media that all told lots, and they all fit very nicely into Bush's campaign to start the war. Very slickly done so Bush was hard to pin personally with the lies.
Obama's campaign seems to show the same slickness. Lots of nasty attacks from the Obamabots. But its probably very hard to tie many to Obama personally.
This American remembers 1972 very well. Gary Hart managed McGovern's children's crusade/campaign. McGovern came off as an out-of-touch bumbling fool, especially after he He nominated (Tom Eagleton)for his running mate, a guy who who had to be occasionally zapped with a zillion volts to keep him from flying off into space. Due to shreiking lesbians on the platform committee taking hours insisting on longer-lasting batteries for their rubberized contivances, McGovern had to wait until 5:00a.m. to give his mind-numbing acceptance speech to uninterested public.
Of course, what this article really says is that even back in 1972 the Democratic party was dominated by pro-corporate, pro-war forces that hated the idea of a populist candidate that opposed the war.
Its more a precursor for the Democratic hatred of McKinney, Nader, Kucinich and others than it has anything to do with the race between two pro-war, pro-corporate puppets like Obama and Hillary.
The McGovern story is interesting because it shows the futility of trying to achieve change from within the Democratic Party. The Democrats have a long history of destroying the campaigns of populist reformers like McGovern. Even if you win the rigged processes inside the party, the Democrats will prefer that the Republicans win instead of a Democrat who's a populist reformer.
The Democratic Party is and has been for some time the biggest obstacle to real change that we face. As soon as we learn to start treating the Democratic Party as our biggest enemy, the better off we'll be.
Plus ca change, plus ca meme chose.
As I was writing, 'the American Peasant' above me gave a wonderful example of the Democratic party's hatred towards any sort of popular movement or popular democracy. They simply hate the entire idea. Not the slurs against lesbians for daring even to speak. Note the slur at the notion that young voters who oppose the war might join in the political process. And note the attack on the very notion that the delegates elected by the members of the party having a say in the party platform.
The constant attitude from the Democrats for a long, long time has been that they get to choose their pro-corporate candidates, they get to write their pro-corporate platform, and the rest of us are supposed to sit down, shut up and meekly vote into the voting booths to elect their pro-corporate candidates.
A very nice bit of writing that succinctly shows why the rest of us need to get far, far away from the Democratic Party.
Another propaganda piece from the Obamadroids. All the while this mealy mouthed author berates the Clinton camp for its dirty tactics he and his cohorts use similar tactics themselves. What a bunch!
I support neither candidate for the nomination of the Democratic Party. I believe them both centrists, globalists and unfit to take this nation where it needs to go. But an election that should have been a noble and historic moment in the nation's history, a black man and white woman vying for the highest office in the land, has been made small by small minded people like Mr. Zunes. Congratulations you little termite, you should be soooo proud.
Is it the politician's fault for using dirty tricks or the public's fault for failing to see through them? I can't blame Clinton for using what works. If the American people are dumb enough to base their electoral decisions on whether or not someone wears a Chinese-made American flag pin on their lapel, then they deserve whatever disaster McCain brings upon us. As someone once said, "In a democracy the people get the government they deserve, and the rest of us have to suffer."
Has anyone noticed that until Super Tuesday, the voters were happy with both candidates and excited about the process? That was the day that Hillary fell behind (it was supposed to be a wrap for her) and decided to go negative. Until then they had their favorites, but were willing to vote for either winner. And then everything started falling apart. Now the Democrats are tearing at each other like a shark feeding frenzy and Hillary is busy throwing more chum in the water. Some people are better at destroying than building. But right now, at this point in our history we need a builder, not a destroyer. Hillary calls herself a fighter, but there's a difference between a fighter and a divider. A fighter stands up for us, a divider turns us against each other.
kathyodat
Hey, look on the bright side. If this really is 1972 all over again, McCain will win, pull our troops out of Iraq, then go down in a terrible scandal.
Hillary Clinton is part of the crumbling foundation of the Demopcratic Leadership Council, a Republican-Corporate Lite that even calls itsself prgressive. More doublespeak.
It's a shame that too many people are bamboozled by Clinton. That she was the lightning rod for the Right and sexist pols and pundits doesn't change her record, failing to own up to her mistakes (War Vote, NAFTA support, welfare deform). It doesn't change her campaign's negative attacks.
Cutting or suspending the Federal gas tax. Bullshit pandering right there with McCain.
If this article continued in historic timeline, it would have included the rise of the New Right, which was delayed only by Watergate and the 1974 & 76 elections.
I have no illusions about Obama. The everyday people supporting him would have to be part of any hope for turning this country around, not the politics as usual.
The odds of improving things in this country continue to get longer folks. Think of a medical model- the patient's serious and a little in shock.
Lord Trigo, both. Look at the gas tax holiday. Doesn't matter if it's a disaster, will cost thousands of jobs, deliver a blow to the Federal budget, threaten to raise gas prices to take up the slack and save an average of $28 over three months. People's eyes glaze over when they hear tax cut and the lizard brain kicks in. A large part of the blame can be laid to our educational system as well. Nobody's being taught to think, or even to understand our system of government. People don't even know what their rights are (were).
McCain's comment about spending the saving on a college textbook showed how out of touch he is. What does he think college textbooks are costing these days? What does he know about what anything costs these days? Reminds me of George H W Bush in a supermarket for the first time in his life. I'm tired of rich politicians pretending to care about hard times for working people.
kathyodat
The article points out that the Democrats as a party are severely divided and have been for at least four or five decades. Any reader who can't see that needs to read a bit of American history some of which the writer has provided. This division has always run along the lines of seeing the party through its critics, who repeatedly cry, "Dirty Liberal" "Liberals are bad for America" and so forth to the point of obligating one to reach for the barf bag. Howard Dean was torpedoed by his own party. Hillary Clinton is trying to torpedo Obama so she can reassemble a crippled party and attempt a win in 2012 when the Repubs will have an octogenarian leading them.
Clinton smearing Obama is the least of our worries as a nation but the issue is noteworthy: Lots of Americans will (143 years after the ratification of the 13th amendment)still rise to the racist, crappy bait she offers and chomp on it real hard.
I thought you'd like to check out the political allegory of mine that I just found a literary agent for. It's a story set in the context of a teacher discussing with his class all of the evidence that the Bush administration is as corrupt as it is incompetent….and how to rectify the Constitutional crisis we face. It's couched in a discussion about the urgent need to stop abusing Mother Nature. I wrote in 3 dozen celebrities to play the students, so it's very funny despite how infuriating it is. You can read it at www.stoplittering.com/theswitch.htm and, yes, StopLittering.com is my site.
Thaddeus Stephens said:
"Hillary Clinton is trying to torpedo Obama so she can reassemble a crippled party and attempt a win in 2012 when the Repubs will have an octogenarian leading them."
This is highly likely. It is the one scenario for her to become president that has a reasonable possibility. HRC wants McCain to beat Obama.
"What if millions of Obama supporters signed a solemn pledge that they will never under any circumstances vote for Hillary Clinton?"
I don't need to sign anything - I will not vote for Hillary Clinton.
Eartian___I do not think it is too likely Hillary is aiming for the 2012 election. She has no doubt heard Limbaugh telling us how it would be to watch an old lady grow older as the President.
This author and this forum is almost funny if it was not so sick to be howling about poor Obama being attacked by that mean Clinton while throwing every piece of dirt possible at her.
opeluboy__Yes Obama does not use negative campaigning to excess, which is alright, but maybe he should tell his supporters that is not his style. If he is to be judged by them it would not look so pure and wonderful.
Tom Hayden and Michael Moore on Clinton's redbaiting
May 2, 2008
Last Sunday night on Meet the Press, Tim Russert put up a post from Tom
Hayden detailing some of Hillary Clinton's righteous leftist activities from
her college and law school days. Quite a contrast to her corporate and
imperialist politics and today's redbaiting of Barack Obama. Inexplicably,
his panel of talking heads had not a single comments and the subject was
dropped.
Those of us familiar with those activities assume the same rightwing kooks
who claim Obama is a Muslim because he lacks a flagpin would use those
Clinton activities against her if she becomes the Dem nominee. But why did
Hayden decide to pre-empt them? He claimed that he raised her past to show
she was vulnerable to the same kind of redbaiting Clinton was using against
Obama. Sounds fishy to me.
Then there's Michael Moore, who writes: "Mrs. Clinton continues to throw the
Rev. Wright up in his face as part of her mission to keep stoking the fears
of White America. Every time she does this I shout at the TV, "Say it,
Obama! Say that when she and her husband were having marital difficulties
regarding Monica Lewinsky, who did she and Bill bring to the White House for
'spiritual counseling?' THE REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT!" Moore refers to the
"White House Prayer Breakfast" event of which the NYTimes recently published a photo of Wright and Bill Clinton shaking hands.
visit my website www.michaelmunk.com
Hillary Clinton is a very disturbed person, a narcissistic personality disorder. She is a shameless hypocrite, a pathological liar and a vicious opportunist who has surrounded herself with Machiavellians scarcely different from Karl Rove. They run an ultracentrifuge campaign, a powerful spin machine which distorts everything. And if you think all of the dishonesty, arrogance and polarization would suddenly stop if she were elected president, you understand neither psychology nor history.
BeForKids had the best comment on this thread to address the divisive Dems who duke it out daily at this site. Polorized indeed! Before Clinton's camapaign noticed it didn't have things sewed up, the Dems appeared delighted with the field, even with the two front runners.
So look at it clear eyed and without your filters on folks. Who started this hateful divisive stuff? Let me see....hmmmmmm. Gee, could it have been the Clinton campaign?
Her loyal supporters here would serve their interests better if they simply said, " Yeah, it's gotten ugly, but she is gonna do whatever she has to do to win." AT least that implies some intellectual honesty even if not exactly allot of integrity.
But then, wait a minute, she can't win fair and square-----no wonder the Obama supporters are having some trouble feeling all warm and fuzzy about her. She isn't about winning, fair and square------she's about cutting Obama off at the knees. If she happens to benefit this year or in 2012 as a result?---oh well, that's just politics, right?????"
Get real folks. This is damned ugly, and getting uglier by the moment, and you know it. We are doomed because we can't even be honest with each other. And for you who ignorantly dis McGovern---do your damned homework. The man was a real statesman and about as progressive, as full of integrity as any politician in this country. See One Bright Shining Moment if you want to see how far we've fallen. It made me cry, just remembering.
I won't vote for Hillary Clinton, either, if she is the nominee. For the first time in my adult life, I'm glad I live in a deep red state, so I'll be spared the scolding of fellow Democrats who might otherwise berate me for casting my ballot for Cynthia McKinney. Sure, I care about the Supreme Court--but, hey, I'm a Georgian, and my vote doesn't count.
The next time someone wonders aloud why nobody decent ever runs for President, just remind him or her what Hillary Clinton and her temporary allies Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh did to destroy Barack Obama. Coming from a less-than-ideal family background, Senator Obama grew into a well-educated and thoughtful man who has accomplished more good in his 46 years than most people accomplish in a lifetime. And he has a collaborative spirit--a characteristic sorely lacking in either Clinton or McCain. I think he would bring to the Presidency a different ethos and a different approach to problem-solving. I hope he gets a chance to try.
Good to hear from you, starofthesea and thank you for your comment. There are a few on this site who do say Hillary will do whatever it takes to win and apparently don't have a problem with that. They accept that politics is a dirty business. Of course that means dirty people get elected. But many Hillary supporters accuse Obama of being the mud slinger, without being able to give examples. Michael Moore wants him to go for the jugular, he won't do that. Not to worry, Michael. If she persuades the super delegates to nominate her, the Republicans will do it. If she thinks her baggage has been rummaged through, she hasn't seen anything yet. No one has looked into how Bill managed to make $100 million in seven years and there's plenty of fodder there. No matter how doddering McCain may be, at least he married into wealth. And Reverend Wright would be resurrected on behalf of the Clintons. Talk about the party that can't shoot straight. Only when pointing their guns at each other. The Democrats are becoming an international joke at how to lose elections. I think they could lose an election even if no one else was running. They would all kill each other off before the first ballot.
I was a McGovern supporter until he dropped Eagleton the day after he said he would stand by him. At that time I wasn't privy to what was going on behind the curtain. I voted for him, but felt like he couldn't keep his word, and never voted for a Democrat for president again. I will watch One Bright Shining Moment. I feel that's what we have here now, and like everything else that shines, we're Hell bent on destroying it. Back to business as usual. You know, watching the rich get richer while the infrastructure of our country continues to rot and our educational system deteriorates, ignoring global warming, arming the third world. All this was happening under Bill Clinton's watch as well.
My butcher told me that frozen wild salmon, currently $12 lb here in Eugene, OR will go up to $30 lb when the embargo on salmon catches kicks in. Big things are going to start happening.
kathyodat
OBAMA: The Unfortunate Choice
FARHAT MAQUAMI
Liberal Democrats have a short memory of history and have aligned with Republicans to defeat the Democratic Candidate in the next election. Their infatuation with the unknown Obama has divided Democrats beyond reconciliation. In a Democracy that Voting machines with no accountability has rigged elections with a few hundred to few thousands vote, decided by DEIBOLD OPERATORS, or Fox News, all they have to look is the defeated liberal candidates like Dukakis, McGovern and Kerry to forecast the next election. In the absence of any real anti war elect-able candidate, Clinton could have been an elect able candidate. However, Obama hysteria, the negative media and lack of money is destroying any chance that she might have had in a general election.
What the Late Liberals don't understand is Obama in an imposter. He used the Black church to cover the fact that before the age of 23 he could have only been classified as a non-practicing man with a Muslim father and an atheist mother. He used the Black Church to prove that from the age of 23 he joined the Black Church. How did he join the Church? When he was baptized? What was his religious affiliation prior to that date? These are legitimate unanswered questions that cast shadow over his trustworthiness!
His condemnation of Wright provides more reason to prove his lack of principle and judgment.
As Jeremiah Wright, before he has been forced to silence (liberals don't subscribe to Freedom of Speech here) correctly said "an attack on him is an attack on Black Church." Yet, it is amazing that after Osama's denunciation of Black Church there has been no response from the 12000 people who attended the NAACP. You expect this sort of servitude only in Stalin's Gulags! Why did Wright disappear? Why nobody defends the right to dissent!
Why did nobody object to the fact that Obama used Reverent Wright as a sacrificial Lamb for becoming "elect-able"? Why the corporate media is not giving any chance to the Black Church to defend itself. This is the same media that slavishly followed Bush Administration's War in Iraq, in Guantanamo Bay, torture in Abu Gharaib, financing the War now and in the future! Why anybody should trust this media and these intellectuals, as everything that Reverent Right said are historical facts announced by Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky and other respectful intellectuals.
Just because of Liberals infatuation with Obama we have to denounce historical realities and cover-up facts and suppress freedom of speech. What is the difference between Stalin sending Trotsky to exile and banishing Wright from social scene and silencing the Black Church!
That makes me worried about America. At least Clinton is a woman with history, solid roots in American Culture and everything about her could be examined. Why Americans after 8 years of Jingoism outside are trusting to put a man whose experience with American culture and Christianity started at the age of 23 and is willing to reject and denounce the Church he attended, the sermons he listened to, and the Person who's "Audacity of Hope" became Osama's copycat!
Unfortunately, for a nation that desperately needs change in a collapsing economy, endless war.
Jacobfreeze
"Obamabots like Stephen Zunes will try literally anything to smear Hillary Clinton, meanwhile pretending that the Clinton campaign is responsible for all the negativity in the Democratic primaries."
You've got it backwards.
The Clinton campaign is now doing PUSH POLLING.
In a stunning repeat of previous Republican campaign tactics, Clinton supporters launched an automated calling campaign telling black low-income voters not to bother voting because it was discovered they are not registered, when IT WAS NOT TRUE. In previous Republican campaigns low-income and black Democratic voters had been called and told that their day to vote had been changed. If Hillary is confident about people voting for her, why are her supporters trying to keep people from voting?
How much of the win in Ohio was due to Republicans voting for Clinton, because they don't want to face Obama? Limbaugh, Colter, and others are trying to get the Republican voters out again in the upcoming primaries to give Clinton the edge again.
If Obama had wanted to, he could have skewered Hillary on lying about being shot at. Know why he didn't? Because he knows that certain damage to the other candidate will harm her chances of being elected if she is the nominee. His vision is for the good of the party and the country. Senator Clinton has no such concern for the Democratic Party or the country if Senator Obama is the nominee.
I'm trusting in the super delegates to end this blood-fest by casting their votes for Obama, Hillery hasent got a chance.
Hillery started life as a republican, I believe she still is, like Bush, she says "Your eithor with us or against us!" Like McCain, her? gas tax suspension! Claims she and McSame are experanced enough to be president. Well versed in dirty rotten political tricks.
Folks, our country has become goverment of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations. Only Obama can rally the people together, and bring the power back to the people.
My hope is that people will finally reject Barack Obama, based on his policy positions. He is dangerous for real progressives. If he's allowed to be the voice of progressivism, it will harm our efforts at real progress. I hope Hillary Clinton gets the nomination. She's the better candidate for right now in our history. Of course, I want everybody to vote outside of the one-party system.
Hillary Clinton is to Barack Obama as Robert Mugabe is to Morgan Tsvangirai.
McGovern was a genuine anti-war advocate. Obama is a FAKE anti-war advocate. That's the difference. I'm with Jacob Freeze and Samson on this.
While Obama touts his 2002 neutral-war speech, the fact is that since becoming a U.S. Senator in 2005 he has voted repeatedly to fund the war.
And, in 2007 when given the opportunity to vote for the Feingold-Reid Amendment to the 2008 DOD Appropriations Act (S.Amdt. 3164) — requiring the withdrawal of all combat troops from Iraq by June 30, 2008 — Obama declined to vote.
Get that? The guy who constantly criticizes Hillary's 2002 vote and claims he would have voted differently, actually got his chance in 2007 to vote to end the war. And he didn't vote!
Hypocrite? Yes. Fake? Yes.
I gets worse! In response to numerous, verifiable reports of U.S. mercenaries raping, torturing and murdering people, Senator Bernie Sanders introduced a bill in 2007 (S. 2398) to end the use of mercenaries in Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama opposes that bill! Obama has introduced his own bill (S. 674) which would leave it up to the DOD to decide whether or not to prosecute these brutal atrocities committed by U.S. mercenaries.
By the way, Hillary voted for the Feingold-Reid Amendment and she is co-sponsoring the Sanders bill.
Moral: It's not true just because some Obamican screeches it.
angel2shine May 3rd, 2008 2:23 am
"Folks, our country has become goverment of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations. Only Obama can rally the people together, and bring the power back to the people."
I don't know what sort of Mushrooms you put in your salad, but that statement is nothing more than a hallucination. You are expecting way to much from the man, from any politician that has a shot at the office of president. Barack Obama is a corporate shill just like the rest. Obama will not be an agent for any real change, the best we can hope for is that if he is elected he will become a vehicle for change, but it is up to we the people to drive that vehicle.