Good discussion chessgames56
More: IGNORANCE IS BLISS - Our Nation, Our Way of Life - We are threatened today in a social war "We're going to take over your country with Love." I AM NOT prejudice, but this is a propagation of hate if you ask me. Those are fighting words. My family has lived here since 1609, what right does anyone have to make these kinds of statements? Take care of your own country first before you try to invade ours. There will be retaliation. No citizenship, no DMV license, no on a ton of other gratuities you take for granted. This is because of the crap like the Latino Leaders people start. Our country gives and gives our compassionate fortitude and this is our thanks? MMMM…Just because you live next door doesn't give you the right to come into our home and take what you want, that is called illegal entry and stealing. They are having more children because we are giving everything to them for free. I want to have more children, but I can't afford it. I'm putting a stop to it.

It's taken me 25 years to get to a wage that's more than 15k a year. Part of me wouldn't trade it for anything from what I've learned – I earned it and I will continue to earn it and teach my children the work ethic my Father taught me and the pride in being a genuine and gracious American. Take it from a 20 year medical Lovingly butt wiping, puke cleaning, illness and death, dishwashing, mud scrapping, care giver and now raised up to a senior professional. I will leave this country safe with ownership with inheritance and with a legacy to our children like our fathers and their fathers and for the generations of children to come from these blood lines.

Dictatorship and dominance always clamor at the door, the choices we make determines the outcome.
My Father earned the right to be one of the chosen few "Peace is our Profession" and he didn't take **** from anyone. Stay forever vigilant. The Constitution of the United States needs to be protected at all cost if we are to remain free. Stop Giving away our Country. It was uninhabitated when the Statue of Liberty was errected!!! We now have over 300 million people living here. On top of that

WHAT OTHER FREAKING COUNTRY GRANTS CITIZENSHIP JUST BECAUSE YOU WERE BORN THERE??????!!!!NONE!!!!

China's got a billion people and learned to manage thier issues maybe Mexico needs to start. We have Catholics in our country too that practice Abstinence, method contraception and all forms of obediance not to mention most common sense people don't have more children than they can care for. I want to support the people who's families are imigrants long ago and deserve by rights of passage the help we can give from the sweat of our backs. It don't come easy.....
IGNORANCE IS BLISS as they say - or pretending to be...

The illegal immigrants I work with are good guys who always have a smile on their face. But they've told me a million times they wish they were home. You see, they don't really want to risk their goddamn neck to come to this overcrowded ugly country where they have to work just to send most of it home to support their extremely poor family's. Most of them would rather be farming the plot of land that's been in their family's name for years but was going bankrupt because he couldn't't make any money selling corn.

--Oh, isn't that wonderful: they hate being here, and many [of us] hate having them here. So they really don't want to contribute here, but send the 'rewards' of their labor elsewhere--blaming the US for their ills at home. Sounds like a case of mutual exploitation to me.

Now, rather than being 'slaves' in an 'ugly' country they hate (and which exploits them), why not strive to effect change in Mexico? Where is the pope who claims to champion their cause in all of this??

Another thing is that while Americans are having less children (largely because the cost of everything is so high, especially health care), they seem to be having more. Could this not be contributing to their poverty as well? No doubt the Catholic church has much to do with that.

And struggling Americans are presently asking, right or wrong, why are THEY entitled to medical care (and other benefits) that seem to be elusive to many of them? Why aren't their employers being made to pony up and take any responsibility here? The silence on this issue seems rather deafening to me.

If real solutions are to be found, hard questions must be addressed on both sides of the border. And this had better happen soon.

cpotts said:

The illegal immigrants I work with are good guys who always have a smile on their face. But they've told me a million times they wish they were home. You see, they don't really want to risk their goddamn neck to come to this overcrowded ugly country where they have to work just to send most of it home to support their extremely poor family's.

I don't want to sentimentalize anybody, so I'm not going to say that every illegal immigrant I've met has had a smile on his or her face. But I agree with you that many if not most of the folks who enter without documents from Mexico and further south are interested in staying in the US for a short time, making enough money to send home monthly remittances, and to save enough so that they can return home, start a business, buy some land, etc.

That's one reason (among many others) why stricter border enforcement along the US-Mexico border is likely to be counterproductive for those who want to see less migration to the US. It won't curb the influx of undocumented people since there are strong push factors (mostly economic) behind their decisions to leave Mexico; and once they've gotten over the higher hurdles we've set, they are in fact more likely to stay longer than they would have had the barrier to entrance been easier.

But as I said, that's just one of the many problems with the "security fence" argument.

The problem is bad policy. NAFTA and the subsidies we give our farmers mixed with a corrupt country like Mexico that doesn't allow unions or will just dump toxic waste on some poor indigenious village creates this surge of migration. Theres nothing wrong with looking at the "Immigration Issue" issue as a problem, which all of you "progressives" seem to jump on people for. You unfocussed whiny idiots are under the assumption that all Mexican want to come here because how great our country is. The illegal immigrants I work with are good guys who always have a smile on their face. But they've told me a million times they wish they were home. You see, they don't really want to risk their goddamn neck to come to this overcrowded ugly country where they have to work just to send most of it home to support their extremely poor family's. Most of them would rather be farming the plot of land that's been in their family's name for years but was going bankrupt because he couldn't make any money selling corn.

So immigration is a problem on both sides. They don't want to come here and we would have more work available to local citizens. Prices might go up a little bit because legal citizens can legally fight for a fair wage. All these lazy fat kids might be able to earn some money and save by getting a low skilled job instead of watching TV for 5 hours a day. And millions of dollars would work within the economy and support American industry as opposed to being sent into the Mexican money market through remmittances back to their families.

I won't apologize for thinking its a problem that doesn't have to be solved. Alot of these people are refugees from an economic catastrophe. We shouldn't round them up like criminals, nor deny poor girls a hospital visit to give birth (and a lecture), but there is something wrong and that is corruption, NAFTA, corn subsidies, and climate change.

Stop with the sentimental BS and talk about policy, or lack thereof.

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of Humanity."

The Nuremberg Principles, eleven sentences written by the World's second war veterans. Please take two minutes and read The Nuremberg Principles aloud to someone. This good and fair and equal law is "the supreme law of the land", US Constitution. YOU are the witnesses bring your sacred sworn testimony, you all hold in your mind the horrible evidence. This law will be upheld when the people demand the court act according and true to the oaths of their office and position.
"The courts follow the people."

Honor and give life forever in your voice everyday to the dead maimed brutalized, each one remember all each one never forget never again.

Iraq: 4.5 million human beings killed, 1991-2008.

Congo: 6 million human breings killed 1994-2008 where the uranium for the first US nuclear weapons came from and General Kigame came from Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, US, 1994.

Afghanistan: 3-7 million human beings starved to death when US bombed all food in country for eleven months, 2001-2002. JSTARS knows. (JSTARS is located at http://www.FAS.org The Federation of American Scientists, founded by Albert Einstein and friends in 1945. JSTARS knows in about four hours who is living and dying in Afghanistan.)

JSTARS is also a collection of DVDs in Rumsfeld's desk when at a 2002 Pentagon press anouncement Rumsfeld said, "We will use food as a weapon...", (direct quote, context is accurate).

The sacred law of the land of The United States of America states clearly is it a Crime Against Humanity to use, "food as a weapon.".

(Good copy of The Nuremberg Principles is located at http://www.NuclearFiles.org .. also there a w-88 nuclear one megaton 500 pound thirty mile circle gone war head, inside outside details shown since 1978, search Tredici and Howard Morland,
picture number three.)

"There are no secrets." 1945.

"World war three began in 1945.", end the third World war.

War is "Terror Vereor", Real Terror. War is rape, mutilation, murder, depravity, famine, schizophrenia, evil, perversion at the utmost levels, mass murder, child rape, cuts, stabbing, death of the soul, a lie, not honor and not glory ..... ask any combat veteran which for every war includes women and children.

CBS/HBO broadcast recently that the Defense Minister of United Arab Emirates, UAE where US is parking its ongoing operations this time is kidnapping children and raping them, remember them, save the children, and US Bush is giving this man over 40 billon of US money. The US State Department said to CBS/HBO then, "Thanks for the evidence. We did not know." However this particular Crime Against Humanity was also known and televised
and published Worldwide since the 1980s. National Geographic, Amnesty International, Medicines Sans Frontieres the
Paris, France, founders and headquarters, not NYC,,, and International Committee of the Red Cross among many others.

Mar 22, 1991, page A23 of The Washington Post, The Harvard University Medical School Iraq Report , "... 179,000 children under the age of five will die... due to effects of US war in the next six months .. this is our most conservative estimate the numbers most probably will double...." .

The numbers of dead Iraqui babies doubled and tripled and ...., now count and add all who died from US in Iraq 1991. 1991-2008.

May/June 1991 US Bush/Schwartzkopf was rearming the defeated Saddam Hussein with helicopter gunships to retake the 15 of 18 provinces of Iraq he had lost. Hussein son of GHW Bush since 1968 Cairo.

General Norman Schwartzkopf, "There will be no body count.", 1991.

JSTARS knows. The bodies were counted the US always counts the war dead.

1998 Denis Halliday and Hans Von Sponeck stated World wide "The US UK sanctions on Iraq is the commission of the Crime of Genocide."(paraphrased)

US election 2000, GW Bush formerly of enWron in Venezuela 1980s, he almost got arrested for enronning or as gingrich dole mccain say no rules just right.

Well George W. Bush said in response to the election 2000 second debate when asked about Iraq, "I think We should go and finish the job."

Genocide. Geno = group, Cide = kill. A crime.

Human being is the group, to kill is war.

9 out of 10 dead in "modern" machine war are not soldiers or "combatants" of any kind. They are us the human beings who live and die by the master's hand.

There is no slavery without love of the master.

All war is genocide, a crime.

Ms. Couric picked to rise LIVE on the air broadcasting from US presidential quarters of GHW Bush and his wife B Bush, 1991 , smiling and good morning and suprize..... and one million dead children under five 1991 Iraq by US hands, remember them. Honor the dead and living victims.

Ms Couric go north to Harvard Medical School, see, Ms. Couric, El Mozete, El Salvador, December 11, 1981, 1200 unarmed farmers slaughtered one afternoon , men, women and children, the US troops, regular and irregulars who committed this crime were gearing up at Fort Benning, Georgia, US, December 8, 1981.

Central America 1980s one million people killed, at least. North America versus.

CBS et al, 90% of the people at the location of a war run for their lives, not at Falluja, Iraq three times. the unarmed were not allowed to
leave before the butchery. Ask your combatants.

"We must get the insurgents." 1920s Iraq US UK genocidal honor killings.

2008. " 100 years more."

No glory, No honor. Godless America.

Witness, bring evidence, prosecute the crimes, no death penalty only jail for life. The Terror Vereor of the running criminal.

We see YOU.

Now, "Freedom From Fear", written by, Aun San Suu Kyi, jailed Mother, author, and Nobel Peace prize winner and victim of Bush Cheney Halliburton UNOCAL, TOTAL(france) fully financing Burma and nearby Bush Reagan(dead)
armed and rearmed Pol Pot(deceased) of Cambodia. Burma also has the heroin and transports west through Albania.

US was bombing for USAME AS BIN LADEN 1990-1993-1999

Arrest Bush.

It can be done, I arrested Dinko Sakic 1999, a reagan bush buddy of Croatia and Argentina, Sakic with his wife were killers of 200,000 human beings in one season at Jasenovacs, Croatia, Yugoslavia, third largest death factory in Europe 1930s and 1940s under the Croat Ustashi swaztica and Handzhar(Palestine region not a country) swaztica over 2 million killed, source: The Encyclopedia of the Holcaust.

1980s 1990s Reagan Bush, Bush Quayle rearmed the Ustashi Croatia(no elections) and Handzhar Bosnia-Herzegovina(no elections) instant countries by GHWBush/Baker/Kohl, US, which also gave Bin Laden citizenship in 1993. And the Bush run Clinton military was US bombing for Usame Bin LAden, US fed fascism.

Fascism defined most easily is: "The rule of many by a few."

http://www.Srpska-Mreza.com/Sakic

see: Nicholai Stavrou at the site above to understand Albania and Kosovo-Metohija, he was there.

Nada Esperanza Sakic is still at large.
Bin Laden began to attack his Bush master after Bush killed one million Human Beings of Iraq 1991.

War brought you to power Ms. Couric, consider really do it, run Home and work for the Peace and Justice Equal for All.

Remember ALL of US.

NEVER AGAIN, REGISTER VOTERS.

ARREST BUSH FOR PEACE AND EQUALJUSTICE UNDER LAW.

All numbers dates quotes here are accurate and easily proved as true unalterable facts of your life and being on this Earth.

1994 when Kigame and US from Uganda
attacked Rawanda a woman was a child now a woman this child now a woman here in US said, "It is good to know."

Religio, latin for to remember.

http://www.RAWA.org testimony to US Congress 2001 October, The women of Afghanistan, "After 35 years of war how will more war help us?"
US Representative Ros-Lehtinen, woman, rolls her eyes and votes and bombs her food.

Remember.

All of Us.

A child is born this day in US.

Viva.

After reading the exchange around AngstOfThePeople's posts, all I can tell you folks is that you get trolled way too easily here. You should've passed some time on the usenet of old; it would help you discern clearly when someone is engaging in discussion as opposed to simply trolling for flamebait.

Nicely stated, Eric J-D!

I'd skimmed through the thread hoping to find a sophisticated and nuanced comment to rebut the preponderance of nativist screeds.

Of course, down-to-earth, common-sense patriots have no time for such supercilious, complicated, fancy-schmancy notions. It's US vs. them, dontcha know, regardless of your convoluted egghead opinions. ;)

Whenever the subject of undocumented migrants come up, alarmist voices predictably rise up to make their familiar arguments about the need for stronger border enforcement, to complain about the economic drain that is caused by the unregulated movement of the undocumented, etc.

They also just as predictably fail to address many of the issues that ought to be brought into the discussion.

We live at a time when there is an unreflective acceptance of the state's right to control movement. If one takes the long, historical view of human settlement and movement across this planet, however, it become readily apparent that it has not always been thus. Not even after the rise of the city-state and the formation of nation-states. Not even in American history has it been the case that the government has felt it necessary to regulate all human movement across its borders. Border enforcement along the US-Mexico border (the border that most concerns folks like Dobbs, even if they don't explicitly say this) is a relatively recent occurence. About a hundred years ago, people moved back and forth across this border pretty much unimpeded.

So that has to be kept in mind, and it ought to lead to discussions of why we tend to take a relatively recent historical development on faith as a reflection of "the way things ought to be."

We should also keep in mind that the unreflective acceptance of the state's right to control movement, combined with the expansion of global capitalism and legal protections for multi-national corporations, has led to the absurdity of the present: a present in which the borders between states are entirely permeable to the movement of global capital and where treaties protect the right of some "persons" (i.e. corporations) to operate without regulation, often devastating local economies and degrading local environments, and one in which these same borders harden unimaginably against those who would attempt to traverse them in search of the means to secure their own livelihood.

Whenever regulation of movement across the border is at issue, focus inevitably turns to the undocumented migrant, who quickly becomes a cipher upon whom the "threatened" culture writes its script. The contradictory elements of the script are what make it so effective, enabling undocumented people to be both an employment threat to native-born workers and lazy, welfare-sponges, etc. Undocumented people are also frequently charged with disrupting local ways of life by failing to assimilate (either through learning English, or by engaging in behavior that is at variance with local customs). Above all (and this is the dominant feature of the discourse of late) they are criticized for the burden they place on certain resources (hospitals, schools, etc.).

No one ever focuses on the adverse impact that the movement of transnational corporate "persons" has on the other side of the border. One could write a similar script if one wanted to of the behavior of these corporate "persons," who receive massive tax breaks every year (talk about welfare-babies), contribute to environmental degradation (talk about bad neighbors), disrupt local ways of life, and so forth.

There are many more things one could say about the poverty of the immigration "discussion" in this country. I'll end, however, by noting that many of the advocates of increased border-security (again, they are talking about the US-Mexico border whether they admit it or not since that is currently the source of the largest inflow of immigrants to the US) fail to realize that border security will not deter Mexicans from entering the US. Hardening that border will present a higher challenge to people seeking to enter, but once they overcome the increased difficulties of getting here they will be more likely to stay rather than (as many of them want) to work for a short period in order to earn enough money to go home and start a small business, buy some land, start a family, etc.

I'm not sure the framers of the Constitution meant that it should be adhered so rigidly that it would lead to exploitation, either for those already here or new comers. The spirit of the Constitution, originally, was to maintain freedom and representation for those here. That being said, changing it should not be taken lightly. Granting more war powers to a president is an example of a bad change in my view, as is continuing to decide elections according to the rules of some stupid 'electoral college.' Freedom to bear arms makes sense, but not without responsibility and accountability.

The biggest problem in America seems to be that we've lost our souls to rampant materialism, and confusion is the norm rather than the exception. More and more people are taking drugs to cope, and children are being left alone to run amok, while their parents work longer and longer hours to buy a lot of crap they don't really need.

Our society is crumbling from within. We spout the garbage that we are a nation of laws--except when those laws inconvenience us. Hey, now, folks, we cant have it both ways, can we? If we start circumventing some laws, why should be obey any of them? And no one in their right mind wants anarchy. We use the Bible and Constitution like frightened children huddling in the corner, clutching a book and a document we don't really understand.

The spirit of the constitution, in my view, is for social order and harmony, not the imposition of some religious belief or rule to benefit the few. If we are afraid and asleep within ourselves, then we are like sitting ducks for those without conscience--those same monsters who exploit the labor of others while pitting us against one another, hoping we don't see through their exploitative masquerade.

I think I have just spotted, four or five times on this thread, a new right-wing talking point, "anchor baby law."

Quoting Karl, "One issue is the law that makes any baby that is born in the US a US citizen. IF people feel that that law is being abused, they should push their representive to change that law."

Just so you know, your representative can't change that law, it's our constitution you are talking about and it takes a lot more than passing a bill in Congress to amend it.

Also, the term "abuse" isn't usually applied to people who use a law in the way it was intended.

The fact that someone you know has to wait to see a doctor does not in any way prove that they had to wait because of some undocumented worker. The claim was stated but no evidence shown that undocumented people get priority treatment. Many undocumented are afraid to go to a doctor. One reason that childhood vacination coveage is dropping in public schools. Your friends might be having to wait because there aren't enough affordable doctors and clinics regardless of who is in the waiting room.

I find it very interesting that these people, who claim to love their country and their freedoms so much, are ready and willing to alter the very foundation of our nation, the constitution, in order to do accommodate their position. Sort of like eliminating our freedoms so the terrorists won't have to, or something like that.

Both Couric and CBS could use the boot in the arse that's coming. Believe me, it's needed.

Wow. I'm an US citizen who has had to keep my visa current in many countries for the past 20 years. I also had to get a visa for my Chinese wife to enter the US and we waited more than a year for the papers to clear to get her daughter over.

It appears that many that are writing here feel that borders are political arbitrary and should therefore be ignored. In every country that I go to and live in I'm legal - or illegal. And that's by the laws of that country, which I think (my own personal ethics) have a purpose/value/function and I should know and abide by. In fact, I get fined if I let my visa lapse.

Imagine, even China is holding tight to the border separating 'China' (mainland) from 'China' (Hong Kong). Take a look why...

The US is still a country that in which people's DAY-TO-DAY lives are bound and guided by 'rule of law'. That's something to be proud of.

Is it being argued that Mexican nationals should be allowed to live illegally in the US (and of course have children) but (for example) a proportional number of Chinese citizens should not have that 'right'? Don't seem right, does it?

One issue is the law that makes any baby that is born in the US a US citizen. IF people feel that that law is being abused, they should push their representive to change that law.

A major problem in most poorer countries in which I live is non-enforcement of law, or selective enforcement of law. If you don't have rule-of-law you have rule-of-man, and I can guarantee US citizens that they do not want to live in that state of corruption which affects all levels of activity in people's daily life. Hold on to your system of laws and enforce those laws, or change them.

Angst is the only one who mentioned, even in passing, the chief culprit in the border problem, namely, el presidente de Mexico. All one ever hears is him complain about the "shameful" treatment of his countrymen/women in the U.S. by the U.S. But you never hear hear anything about his refusal to do anything about improving conditions in Mexico that would encourage his own citizens to stay in Mexico. It's so sad that those immigrants, illegal or otherwise, keep coming here because life in Mexico is untenable. I don't know if Mexico is a "pit" as someone said, but obviously, there's a good reason they keep crossing the border. Even before I lay blame for the immigration problem on our government, I'd look first at the Mexican government. El presidente wants it all: U.S. government (tax payer) dollars, U.S. corporate dollars, source of cheap labor, lax environmental standards, and the freedom of his citizens to cross our borders at will to take advantage of our schools, our health care system, etc., etc., so he doesn't have to spend his country's dinero on, on, whatever.... What the hell does he spend his country's dinero on anyway? Does anyone know? Clearly, not on Mexicans.

Couric has always been a social climber devoid of journalistic integrity. How far as CBS and the other networks sunk by giving us nothing more than corporate talking heads.

This is the Network that at one time employed living legends like Murrow, Cronkite, and Dan Rather.

Now we have little Katie and her, her multi million contract, and waring her empty suit.

Journalism has been dead in this country for a long time with the exception of Moyers.

Chessgame56- it does play a part- as does the cultural idea that "This is what we do", "this is our worth as people"-- The same philosophy exists in this culture as well, but without the strong, anti birth control influence of the Catholic Church. I am constantly amazed that the decision to have a child, the most impacting decision a woman/couple could make, is SO often, not even thought about. That's what humans do: Procreate. Make other humans, to make other humans, to make other humans... This is ALL we are supposed to do?

WhatToDo, and having so many children only further complicates the problem. I wonder if the Catholic chruch plays a big part in that.

They also pay when said "illegal" immigrants abuse/nearly kill/kill their children. They pay when "poor" Americans do the exact same thing. The children deserve care; the parents deserve hard labor and sterilization.

I am writing as an employee of a hospital. I am writing as a member of the Green Pary. I am writing as a person who does not believe in "borders"; they are, in fact, man made. And I am writing to inform everyone here, that "illegal" immigrants and "anchor babies" do in fact, cost American tax payers millions of dollars. Period. Tax dollars pay for their care, they pay for the translators needed to communicate with the parents, they pay for the transport of the child to the hospital, they pay for taxi cab back to- fill in the blank. This is a fact. Now, OF COURSE it is important to analyze WHY these people feel the need to leave Latin America- it is important, and we do have a role in it. The question is What do we do about it? When average Americans cannot afford health insurance- there is a problem here. Taking the profit motive out of health care, is of course, the right answer- it is the only thing that makes sense. But what do we do in the mean time? .... Well... we know we cannot expect citizens of the world to take responsibility for their procreation... wouldn't that be amazing though? Can you imagine?

My wife is a legal immigrant as well, dc., and that further complicates things. It's a difficult and expensive process getting naturalized legally. Like it or not, many legal immigrants would deem it unfair to give freely to others what they, themselves, have worked so hard for. So amnesty is not such a simple affair either.

My thought was to make business owners responsible for their workers' naturalization if they are caught knowingly employing undocumented workers. And I don't buy the 'ignorance' clause in most cases. Sorry.

Saffiyah you use this sick offensive argument everytime you post on immigration: Don't you just love the 'legal scholars' who blow a big smoke screen about illegal vs. legal immigrants? With our government being what it is, the legal immigrants are likely to be former death squad leaders, rich thugs buying their way in, and all sorts of other 'legal' vermin.

A hell of a lot of the legal immigrants to this country are escaping the death squad leaders. My in-laws are ethnic minorities and they escaped the Afghan war lords and the Taliban. The Kosovo Albanian community out in Iowa are another example..they fled Sebian death squads and genocide. The Somalian American community in Maine is another example. Yes, there are times this country does let in death squad leaders there have been cases reported in the media I agree with you on that but the vast majority of legal immigrants are escaping the death squads not participating in them! Your argument is really f**king offensive!

Chessgames; Unfortunatley there are no "facts" in the USA anymore.

I really, really wonder if any here who call others xenophobic or racist would be for illegal immigration if they had to pay directly from their pockets. We already pay indirectly, and while we scream at Lou Dobbs Couric, or each other give the corporations a free pass to exploit and rake in the profits.

No country can simply let millions and millions of people in without damage to their economy or infrastructure, at least under the circumstances it is occurring now. It is true that the whole world belongs to all of us, but one country simply cannot be the release valve for other exploitative governments.

Look at Mexico, for example, doesn't the richest person in the world live there now? Poverty must first be addressed on a global level, to raise all boats, or the influx will lead to all but the wealthiest of us becoming part of the lowest common denominator. It will be akin to one family taking bread from another and, if this happens, it will lead to social unrest. To think an unregulated influx of desperate people pouring into this country will be a benefit is just plain naive. It will lead to many problems of infrastructure, among others. I don't believe any other country, industrialized or not, presently allows this.

So, let's not spout propaganda either pro or con regarding immigration before examining the facts. How this country was founded, which admittedly was often brutal, has little bearing on the difficulties facing us now. We have to remember, too, as citizens, most of us are of late just making ends meet ourselves.

Katie is right, many do come here to deliver their babies, and I doubt this is completely accidental. Not being judgmental here, merely stating a well-know fact.

"I'd bet dimes to Angst's Dunkin' Donuts that he hasn't traveled farther than 100 miles south of the border."

Hey !

Please keep that racist ASSHOLE out of Mexico.

BTW, The ILLEGALS were the ones coming in a ship, AKA 'pilgrims' they were NOT invited, and had NO Passport or papers.

They came they stole, the murdered, they pillaged, and now they want to be so righteous ?

Send THEM and all their off spring back to where they came from !

....what do they think, that just because they were born here they have the 'birthright' of citizenship ?

hyehopes, Justification and justice is not important in the US anymore. Money is all that matters and your friends family obviously does not have enough of it. Progressives are not supporting illegal immigration they are supporting people, real people.

I'd bet dimes to Angst's Dunkin' Donuts that he hasn't traveled farther than 100 miles south of the border. Labeling the entirety of Mexico as a "hole" only illustrates the racism driving his comments.

I think he fails to understand how the dream of America makes us different from other countries.

The irony in this whole thing is that any American who happened to go in to labor while in Mexico would be treated much more humanely. If you honestly think that providing a safe and clean environment for a woman to have a child is going to break the bank you're nothing short of delusional.

I've no doubt (corporate) American foreign policy has some culpability here... but not as much as Central and South American Governments... and the Pope.

The fact it, the population of that part of the world has been steadily increasing while the U.S. has fairly stabilized. (The population of North and South America used to be roughly equal. Now South America has double, or more, the population.) Populations act like a gas and always try to equalize pressure.

We've got two real issues in America today: an illegal war in Iraq that's killing people and draining the economy, and an on-the-way recession.

Most Americans didn't care about the illegal war until it started to cost money. Then they cared a lot.

All along, though, we have been fed one red herring after another, in order to keep us distracted from the illegal war: abortion, gay marriage, Terry Schiavo, and now illegal Hispanic immigrants.

But why are there so many people from Mexico crossing the border into the US? Well, maybe it's because our policies are destroying the economy of their country and they have no choice. America has morphed into a giant Wal-Mart, invading the world and putting everyone out of business (or is Wal-Mart simply a microcosm of America?).

Enforce the laws? It's not going to work. Can't keep people from crossing the border with laws, when staying on their own side means starvation to them.

The reality of the situation is that the American economy is as tied to the labor of "illegal immigrants" as it is to the T-bills bought by Japan and China. Cut it off and the economy crashes.

Hey, I'm all for legal American citizens making a living wage on the work the undocumented are doing.

Back to the five dollar tomato.

Again... this issue should be nowhere near the top of the list of priorities this country has to deal with right now.

The fact of the matter is there are millions of illegal immigrants using public resources such as K-12 education and emergency hospital visits while American citizens pay through the nose via taxes and at the same time we have thousands of legal immigrants waiting IN LINE to get to this countrey. The status quo is a shame and I am glad Kouric looked into the anchor baby issue but I cannot judge if she hate hateful sentiment since I did not see the broadcast. But the fact still remains that my parents among many others came here legally 30 years ago and now my friends family has been waiting in line for years to get here while thousands jump the border and after marrying/having a child they become citizens where is the justification in that? And honestly I cannot see how supporting illegal immigration has become a progressive stance what a shame.

One comment to Angst. You certainly seem to be a virtuous fellow. Are you certain in the day to day travails of your most important life you have NEVER broken the law? Not once, just due to ignornace, laziness, or that you just plain thought that particular law was assinine and you were not going to play along? I'll bet all people on this board feel the same profound sense of honor to have you point your lilly white finger at us and extol your personal virtue while demonizing those that break laws you personally can live with.

angstofamericanpeopleonlyallowedhere

These so-called "illegals" (such an odious term) contribute at least as much to the economy as they take. They pay taxes, including Social Security which they will never be able to collect, in addition to the labor they provide. Angst, the only reason you are a U.S. citizen is because of an accident of birth. Certainly you are not superior in any way, as none of us are, just because we happened to be born here. To take away the birthright of citizenship because of one's parent's actions is ludicrous, just plain racist and un-American.

I live in the Northwest and I found it quite interesting to find out where the Mexican imigrants, legal and otehrwise, in my community are coming from. Interestingly enough, the majority in this area are from the very southern Mexican states. Why would they travel so far? The NAFTA and other trade agreements have devestated the small farmers in Mexico. They cannot make a living farming in Mexico any longer so they come to the US with tacit government and overt corporate support. The rice shortages in Haiti are from similar US "aid" schemes. Make US corps rich while bankrupting the courties you are purporting to help small (read non-corporate) agriculture businesses. The US , Mexican goverments, and corporations are compicit in this scheme and are playing both sides of it for their advantage. They keep the $$ made for them by the immigrants in profits and taxes. Then play the other side of the coin poo pooing the illegality of the labor used in the pursuit of corporate profit. If you make the illegal immigrants go back because their labor was illegal, then demand a return of the ill gotten gains that the corporations reaped. The Hispanic immigarnts are being used by our government as the scapegoats for our current social ills. How better to foment hatred than to give the illegals free health care and education whilst depriving the same to your own citizens? In addition, illegal immigrants working legitimate jobs pay into our social scurity fund but being illegal have no claim to any benefits. Place them blame where it belongs. The greedy corporations have pitted US workes against Mexican workers and all other workers around the world against one another in a wildly succesful effort to run a race to the bottom for the hapless working class. There would be NO immigration problem if the corporations did not profit from it.

Deported back home or deported to the Middle East?

Hmmm. I don't think this is going to be such a big issue once the mandatory draft for male and female age 18-44 is going to start sometime after the beginning of the Iran campaign war. There will probably be more illegal immigrants trying to prove that they are not citizens.

I wonder how many Cubans, Canadians, Chinese, Japanese, Russians, etc... will start heading the other way over the fences when the military comes looking for fodder?

I did enjoy the statement:

(Illegal) "Immigrant advocates found the report so crass, and so far below the network's journalistic standards set by legends Edward R. Murrow and Walter Cronkite..."

as if American journalism was never used a tool to control the masses, for such things as propaganda, marketing and social structuring...

So, Angst: only an ignorant racist would so adamantly defend laws whose creation and enforcement is solely rooted in racism. Just look at the history. When it is "convenient" for us, we open the door, drop the enforcement, everyone comes and goes and it's no big deal. Then, when we get all war hungry and fear mongering, we also get racist, and suddenly immigration becomes a big deal. It is all fear based -- never has anything to do with the economy or jobs (in fact, the numbers usually defy the policy). It is all about our country's ramping up fear as a tool of control, and the brown immigrants take the hit so our politicians can look tough and march us off to war.

I have brown friends and white friends who are immigrants, and believe me, the Mexicans are having a very different experience of this "cracking down" than my "illegal" European friends. So don't kid yourself that it is all about being "illegal".

Angsty,

I am all for the 1st Amendment. I want good journalism too. Journalism is not just free speech/opinion. They must be held to a higher standard.

Read the article above again. CBS' so-called journalism in this case was poor.

"The news story challenged the broader constitutional law of birthright citizenship and stated - without providing the correct context - that the births cost U.S. taxpayers millions of dollars annually."

Try CBC or BBC once in a while. Check out Al-Jazeera (you won't be tagged as a terrorist, I promise). Try some Latin, Indian, Chinese and African papers. You can find many in English. If you already do that good for you. Yes they have their own biases. It is easier to see spin when it is not diected at you !

BTW I am all for hearing you out as well as the other way around. Are we going to make any progress if we preach to the choir as they say ?

Everyone review this great CD article on the Fairness Doctrine:
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0212-03.htm

And do some analysis of media itself. Even if you don't agree with all he says Dr. Chomsky is a place to start. Bill Moyers did a great show on media consolidation a few years back. It is business first and foremost.

Good luck and good day.

Again I say: RED HERRING NON-ISSUE!

I rarely shout.

Saturday Night Live had a spoof about CBS. One of SNLs promos labeled CBS Caucasion Broadcasting System. Back then it was satire. Now reality imitates art.

We all have the right to move around freely in this world

- tell you what, genius. Hand me your passport and any forms of ID - I'll give you money for some bus fair or for a coyote to take you on his way back to ole mexico.....see how long it is before you get picked up. You can try that rationale of being able to move freely when you're picked up by the Federales.

Gated America. Every goddamn country has border laws. All we want is for ours to be enforced.

Don't you just love the 'legal scholars' who blow a big smoke screen about illegal vs. legal immigrants? With our government being what it is, the legal immigrants are likely to be former death squad leaders, rich thugs buying their way in, and all sorts of other 'legal' vermin.

I flew back into the US once from Guatemala with the leader of the Guatemalan death squads on board, and they waited on him like he was some sort of royalty! Meanwhile, Migra was hunting down women and kids trying to cross into the US like they were animals.

All you legal fetishists out there, you are not kidding anybody other than yourselves with all these niceties while pontificating legal vs. illegal with us. We all have the right to move around freely in this world, and not just you. You just want special privileges for yourselves in your gated America.

Except clemsy

if I was to try and break into Mexico for that same tomato - Id be locked up in a Mexican jail.....which given that its Mexico - would really really suck.

God....illegal immigration is a red herring meant to distract everyone from the real issues that are ruining America. Compared to them, the supposed money illegals cost us is a day at the beach with a frosty drink at my elbow.

Hey Angst! Ready to pay five bucks for a tomato? That will certainly help stop the government from subsidizing the oil companies drowning in a cash glut caused primarily by friggin commodities speculation.

Besides... I have little patience for those demonizing others for doing precisely what they would do themselves in a similar situation.

Laws don't matter in the USA any more and the country has lost all vision of what used to make it great. Illegals could not even hope to do the damage caused by real Americans.

How about change the stupid fu**ing law? Let's just declare this a free world -- you know, like the "free market" that lets Coca-Cola go into other countries and take their water, and Chevron take their oil, and Monsanto take their seeds, and the US military and CIA take their governments. Let's just say we are done with human bondage, and that we respect human rights and dignity, and that we should all have as much right as frickin* StarBucks and KFC to go wherever we please to make our living and enjoy our lives. Because it's just one big world now -- our food comes from everywhere, our clothes come from everywhere, our cars come from everywhere, our oil, our people, whatever. The world is just one big free for all, so GET OVER IT! It's all just imaginary frickin' lines in the soil anyway...wake up and join the HUMAN race.

Jefferson

people often cry racism when they see their special interests are being questioned. As much as I despise network news and think Couric is a hack - big nutz to them for taking on a politically incorrect subject. Its called the first amendment, sorry this is a shock to you.

Haha! Here in Ontario, Canada we have our own "illegals", too. They're called Americans and they keep trying to sneak into the health care system. I guess it just all depends on where you're looking at the problem from.

Angsty,

I said media coverage is racist.

I really doubt you can prove that none of the laws in the US are racist, including the border laws.

Every country has its measure of corruption. The US is not at the top, but it certainly is not at the bottom of that list.

Racism against indigenous people is not only in the past. They struggle against it everyday. Not just the "Mexicans", but the people in these borders whose ancestors were herded like cattle. The attitudes of the oppressors have not disappeared.

Get educated. And learn Mandarin :)
Your new Overlords are coming !

WTF, you have yet to prove me a racist, so until you can, sit down before you fall down.

your ignorance is only exceeded by your emotionalism. and it is my country, moreso than the illegals, whose lawlessness you defend - even at their peril.

@Angst wrote: Oh and before I forget - to the halfwits telling ME to leave MY country

It's OUR country, you halfwit. Your arrogance and hubris exceeds only your racism.

theres nothing racist about wanting the damned border laws enforced. theres nothing racist in pointing out the considerable drain on resources the illegals represent to our schools, hospitals, prisons and housing services.

"How about building some cheap medical schools across the border so that people can get low-cost medical degrees"

How about Mexicans taking back their country from the culture of corruption that is the Mexican government? we never hear about that, do we? fact is, BILLIONS in aid has been sent to mexico and its still a hole. This should be a Mexican problem, not one for the US to solve.

As to the Europeans - its in the past. Get over it. Mexico lost.

Oh and before I forget - to the halfwits telling ME to leave MY country - Ill see if I can go to mexico...oh wait, they have border laws and they enforce them! Those RACIST mexicans. boo Hoo. See? it sucks when your argument slaps you on the ass.

Everyone jumping all over Angst for being honest and talking about it is so tradgically humorous. You people who lash out at him and tell him "If you don't like it, leave (legally of course if you can find some other country more tolerant of hate). We don't need anti-American freedom haters like you around here." You're just as bad as right-wing nutjobs who tell me that critizing our government's foreign policy is Anti-American and "not supporting our troops" and that I ought to "leave if it was so bad."

Given the state of our healthcare system, there should be a focus on our taxpayer dollars go to citizens first. Personally, I think by eliminating the federal reserve and socializing medicine, you'd be able to do all that for free for citizens and non-citizens. But right now, I kind of agree with Angst.

Becoming a citizen is a huge pain in the ass and it takes years. That should not be the case. To legally immigrate should be easier. The only people object are facist pigs who scream about terrorism as if making people wait in lines forever is really going to make us safer.

Trade agreements should also be renegociated so the Mexican economy doesn't destroy itself. The world bank should be abolished. That'd help more than just Mexico, that'd help the world quite frankly. NAFTA is killing the largest industry in mexico, peasant corn farmers. That's where most of the immigrants are coming from. Also, do you really think immigrants want to come here? Away from their homes? Working $hit jobs because our currency is stronger? I believe that the answer is no, most would have preffered to live in the same land their family has lived on for generations.

Immigration is complicated, but you "the world is everybody's" out there are being short sighted by attacking angst. Maybe if you talked about the way you feel specifically, theres a chance you might agree on the policy its going to take to settle these issues.

If we are talking about border patrol send the Europeans back first !

Don't take your problems out on immigrants. That is the easy way out. It is the super-wealthy who are orchestrating your misery.
Most of the media covering the immigration "problem" is pretty racist regardless of the issue covered. You have to understand why otherwise we cannot move forward.

Come up with a sensible non-racist policy. You can do it America (oops the name itself is from an Italian explorer Ameriggio).
If there wasn't such wealth and knowledge disparity you would not have such "crimes".

How about building some cheap medical schools across the border so that people can get low-cost medical degrees, locals can get cheap healthcare, and the hospital can create local jobs. I bet half of the people buying cheap drugs there will be American tourists !

Fixed.

(Native Americans have been "fighting terrorism" since 1492 !)

Cute photo! The wolf scared me a little, and Cheney's photo is enough to give one nightmares!

CBS used to be the "liberal" media, not panderers to Archie Bunker types. It isn't unheard of for a Russian with a visa to Israel to turn up in a Philadelphia area ER. Sometimes right off the plane. They get treated and vanish. People want to come to America.

Gee thanks Gebe, just when I was switching my old tv set to CBS from ABC because of their very low journalistic standards exhibited for the whole world to see during their presidential debate.

The only thing left to do is get my news off the internet!

Angst, stop attempting to deflect the issue by demonizing the "illegals" (a disgusting term, but one that most barely-literate Americans can understand).

- I can assure you, I am not one to be classified as barely-literate. The term isn't disgusting - I refuse to call them immigrants, because it implies their status is legal, when indeed it is not. There is no demonization of the illegals other than to point out they are violating the laws of my country.

There are 2 parties involved, both are breaking the law. One party, those that are taken advantage of, are demonized and thrown into jail. The other party, both corporate and private employers, generally ride above the law and may, at worst, receive a slap on the wrist.

- I agree - cut off the supply of jobs TO the illegals. I wouldnt mind seeing a hundred M. Bianco raids a week (Im from MA) whereby the illegals are arrested and removed while the companies lose thier contracts, licenses AND face criminal charges. Done and Done.

Until this action is taken, any discussion demonizing "illegals" by you and others is hypocritical.

- well its not hypocritical by me - I am not an employer, but I will raise my voice on this issue to my heart's content. even if people misinterpret what I say and call it 'hate' speech.

Yes, I know MayDay is tomorrow. Im going to celebrate by going to Starbucks, as Dunkin Donuts will not have any staff- they'll be at their little 'protest'

@Angst
And besides, May Day is tomorrow (at least in my part of the world). I WILL enjoy it by striking to demonstrate solidarity with LA longshoremen.

The US is so outraged by these illegal 'invaders' but doesn't have the slightest problem in invading other countries illegally, does it? How hypocritical.

If the US hadn't enriched itself by stealing the resources from so many countries, the world's poor would not flock here to look for a better life.

Angst, if you remember or ever learned American history, the US took the largest part of Mexico away from the Mexicans during the Mexican war.

- Oh but I am a student of history. We did take that land, won it back - so why exactly am I supposed to mourn and feel sympathy for the Mexicans, who by your own observation, LOST the land to our conquest.

Enforce the borders, these concerns are not valid and they have no stake to our land.

Angst, stop attempting to deflect the issue by demonizing the "illegals" (a disgusting term, but one that most barely-literate Americans can understand).

There are 2 parties involved, both are breaking the law. One party, those that are taken advantage of, are demonized and thrown into jail. The other party, both corporate and private employers, generally ride above the law and may, at worst, receive a slap on the wrist.

You want a practical solution? Bust the employers. If there are no jobs, "illegals" will not come to the US because it is an expensive place to live.

Until this action is taken, any discussion demonizing "illegals" by you and others is hypocritical.

Where I lived in the Southwest, there was a saying: "We did not cross the line, the line crossed us". Angst, if you remember or ever learned American history, the US took the largest part of Mexico away from the Mexicans during the Mexican war. Now we are acting like that never happened - sort of like the Israelis and the Palestinians. Steal a people's land, then tell them they are not welcome. Pretty poor excuse for humanity.

It is interesting that people are said to be illegal in the globalization process while border crossing is bought by corporations through and for resources including 'cheap labor' (ie: people) at will. An economic entity is a legal 'person' immune to both domestic and international law, while people are 'illegal'. That entity can poison your environment with impunity, and even buy its way into your community through your states Attorneys General in most if not all states and the voice of your community, even if the majority stands in opposition, must accept it. The inanimate are to have rights to life across borders, both domestic and international, while the living are not to have that right. At the same time one is told that the fabled Liberty paradigm remains in place when it does not? What is implied in the intellectual/mental/ psychological framework of acceptance of conditions as such? Indeed the pot is taken off the burner by inanimate hands and expects individuals (ie:people) to become the inanimate. In a nation that says the business of the nation is business, borders/boundaries are an extremely important question and they are not limited to humanly imposed topographical phenomena- emergency health care in a hospital emergency room is a human right and doctors function under a hypocratic oath. Finances are the question.

We can fund an illegal occupation at the expense of matters such as the following:

ONE DAY of the Iraq War EQUALS
http://www.afsc.org/cost/banners.htm

720 Million Dollars
84 new elementary schools
12,478 Elementary School Teachers
95,364 Head Start Places for Children
1,153,846 Children with Free School Lunches
34,904 Four-Year Scholarships for University Students
163,525 People with Health Care
423,529 Children with health Care
6,482 Families with Homes
1,274,336 Homes with Renewable Electricity

Tico

Lets not muddle the issue, ok - the illegals have no rights to be here, as such, laws such as the anchor baby provision are dead wrong and must be re-visited.

Rule of law?

George Bush and cronies have been violating the rule of law for nearly a decade, and they're continuing to do it every second they remain in political power.

I dont hate anyone WTF - I merely respect the rule of law - and these people are violating it every second they remain in my country. Enjoy May Day.

Keep immigrants out of the country and you'll keep the ratio of whites to non-whites high, and really rich white guys will stay in political power, like they deserve. Let enough of those hispanic and Asian and black immigrants into the country and - gasp! - let them become citizens, and before you know it they'll outnumber white folks and it'll be hard for really rich white guys to get elected dogcatcher.

Hey! I've got an idea! For starters, let's build a wall between Mexico and the US, down by the Rio Grande! And then we can export all the manufacturing jobs overseas so those pesky non-white immigrants will have to go overseas if they want to take white American jobs! Oh . . . somebody already did that? Oh well.

@Angst
No. Hate much?

Whenever folk speaking about "the problem with illegals", racist hate drips from their tongues like venom.

- generalize much?

Whenever folk speaking about "the problem with illegals", racist hate drips from their tongues like venom.

The problem are the Americans and American corporations that provide opportunities for people desperately seeking to improve their lot in life. It is NOT the people crossing our borders, but selfish, greedy Americans (and corporations) looking to make a quick buck off people who truly want to live in America and contribute to American society. Most of these "illegals" have higher moral principals than the people who employ them.

Wanna solve the problem? Jail every employer and strip corporations of their rights. If employment opportunities for "illegals" dropped to zero, the "illegal problem" would also disappear.

But no, there are too many greedy and selfish Americans to let this happen, and so through sophisticated psyops, we are manipulated to believe that the problem is caused by the "illegals". Just like we are told by racist Americans that all muslims are evil.

You'll be missed.

Alright, I don't want them to be practical assholes

Ladybug

what you call heartless, I call practical. Safe travels.

Angst

Angst,
I came to "your" country legally and don't want my children to be born here, because they might end up being heartless a$$es like you.

What else could we expect from this brainless media whore?

Ouch! Please, no more photos of plug-ugly Katie Couric. Who watches CBS anymore? Who could stand it?

I think Angst's argument is a legitimate one. I have family that came here legally and many of them have waited for thier paperwork, greencards then citizenship to be processed the old fashioned way. Its put their lives on hold but they chose to follow the laws. They also came from a war zone. Its unfair to legal immigrants who follow our laws who wait years and years to get screwed over by illegals who break the laws. And no my in-laws did not come from Europe they came from one of the poorest nations in the world on the UNDP index, Afghanistan.

"Shame is there are no illegal people in the world."

the law disagrees with you. we have borders - man made or not, for a reason. we cannot afford to feed, clothe, house and care for everyone - hell, we can barely afford to do it for our own people and you want me to extend my compassion and my money to those who have no right to be here?

Sorry charlie - the melting pot solidified a long time ago. Time to take the pot off the burner.

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

That being said, Dobbs is a racist ass who likes to enflame those whose minds are not that open to things different from their selves or their perception of their own importance. (Pinheads) Some of the people here on this thread are his audience and so have all of the catch words down pat. Shame is there are no illegal people in the world. We all got here the same way and some of us are blessed to be born here in America. To call someone illegal demeans them more than they deserve. There is no such thing as an illegal person. The fact that they are brown is not missed by this observer and I think it weighs on the minds of those who shout illegal.

Borders are basically manmade. They are chosen by men even if the border is a river or a mountain it is decided by men. If you decide to live within manmade borders then you are self-restrained in your own mind. Your own fault is what that is. (Probably for that stupid fence too…Too bad for you.)

Oh, and as an afterthought we were taught in our school systems that energy can't be created or destroyed so there has to be a next world for where are we to go once we're dead? There is your one border not made by man. So when we cross over do you think we'll be called illegal in the next world?

what am I afraid of? Rational people from rational countries live with the reality of border enforcement.

That you think otherwise is just a marker of ignorance. Enjoy that.

Angst is just another scared little man. Pity him.

No Samson, I don't care to imagine that 'poor lady' lying in the hospital being lectured by a reporter. God forbid we demand some accounatbility in this country. How about you imagining an American citizen, forced to wait forever in line at a hospital, broken arm or whatever ailment you can imagine, as 5-6 patients who are in the country illegally, get top priority.

Sorry, I don't want my limited money going to them. They aren't here legally, they don't deserve a free handout.

"That's been a principle of that America for a long time. If you don't like it, leave "

- hey uh, dude, what principal were you trying to illustrate, 'dude?'

Clearly you know nothing of journalism - or modern journalism today at least. There was nothing bordering on 'hate speech' in the story - they were highlighting the abuses of the anchor baby law - fair game.

Finally, there was nothing hateful about my post, being against illegal immigration is not a racist sentiment. Perhaps YOU should leave my country and gain a better appreciation for what my forefathers fought for....and then come back to me and tell me what principal you were referring to.

Like I said Angst, I hope soon than later for you.

To AngstofthePeople, hey dude, this is America. This is the America that my forefathers fought and died for. That's been a principle of that America for a long time. If you don't like it, leave (legally of course if you can find some other country more tolerant of hate). We don't need anti-American freedom haters like you around here.

And yes, we expect a proper media to have standards so that one side's hate speech isn't the only thing in a broadcast.

Can you imagine this poor lady, lying in a hospital bed having just given birth, and then getting 'lectured' by this reporter and his twisted hate-speech.

Dear forgiveness -

There is no next life.

We live in a world of borders.

Dear Angst,

Maybe one day this life you will realize we are all in this together. That day will be a great day for you, I just hope it happens for you sooner than later.

You could be the undocummented imigrant your next life.

When you start looking all people as equally important and consider their life as important as yours you will find the quality of your life gets much better.

BTW, it is not "your" country, it is "our" planet. See that whole "the individual is more imporant than the group" mentality even comes through in your language.

"so far below the network's journalistic standards set by legends Edward R. Murrow and Walter Cronkite"

CBS is already so far below any 'journalistic standards' set by Murrow and Cronkite that they'd have to build a Hubble space telescope just to see those old standards.

well, sorry kids, the newscast raised a valid point in challenging birthright citizenship - there's nothing below 'journalistic standards' about it.

The anchor-baby law is being and has been abused for decades - perhaps these illegal-alien apologists should focus instead on encouraging their people to come to my country LEGALLY.

Consider the source...

I am surprised that anyone noticed the item on CBS. I did not think anyone watched that lame infotainment station anymore.

Many times, the hospital on the US side of the line is the only hospital withinn close proximity to the woman who is about to give birth. It is better for her and the baby to have US medical attention than no medical help at all. I used to live within 4 miles of the line and know this for a fact. The hospital in my town was 4 miles from the small town on the Mexican side, whereas the closest Mexican hospital was almost 40 miles away over a bad road. Better for mom and baby to come to the US. People on this side need to have a heart. People are people. God bless the whole world - no exceptions.