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The Clinton Smear Campaign Against Obama
Unable to find much that Barack Obama himself has said or believes that is particularly alien to the thinking and values of most Americans, Hillary Clinton and her supporters in the media have chosen instead to engage in a campaign of guilt-by-association.
Not surprisingly, right-wing media pundits and prominent Republicans have thrown their weight behind Clinton's efforts, taken advantage of the New York senator's attacks to smear the likely Democratic presidential nominee. For example, North Carolina Republicans are readying a television ad on the eve of that state's primary which includes a photo of Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright together, a video clip of Wright making incendiary comments, with a voiceover telling voters that Obama is "just too extreme for North Carolina."
Clinton's guilt-by-association campaign has even moved to additional degrees of separation. For example, before tens of millions of viewers of the April 16 debate in Philadelphia, Clinton again brought up Obama's alleged "relationships with Louis Farrakhan," despite Obama's repeated and unequivocal denunciations of anti-Semitic statements and other controversial actions by the Black Muslim leader. The apparent extent of Obama's alleged "relationship" with the Nation of Islam leader which prompted Clinton's charge was that a magazine for which Obama's pastor's daughter serves as publisher granted an award to Farrakhan in honor of a successful program he had set up to rehabilitate ex-convicts.
During that same debate, Clinton went so far as to link Obama with the radical Palestinian Islamist group Hamas because the "pastor's pages" section of the weekly bulletin of the church Obama attended once included -- as part of a series of opinion pieces reprinted from various newspapers around the country -- an op-ed column from the Los Angeles Times written by a Hamas leader. Though Obama had already categorically condemned the decision to reprint that article, Clinton told the tens of millions of viewers that "we have a choice who we associate with and who we apparently give some kind of seal of approval to," such as the pastor who -- in Clinton's typically hyperbolic version of events designed to discredit her rival -- was guilty of "giving the church bulletin over to the leader of Hamas."
Hillary Clinton has even attacked Obama for having served on the board of the Chicago anti-poverty group known as the Woods Fund at the same time as former Weather Underground member Bill Ayers. Ayers, who was never convicted of any crime, is now a distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago and served as a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley. Clinton apparently saw it as irrelevant that, at the time of Ayers' involvement in the Weather Underground, Obama was just eight years old and living nearly ten thousand miles away in Indonesia.
This raises the very disturbing prospect that, as president, Clinton would use similar guilt-by-association smears against anti-war activists, environmentalists, opponents of neo-liberal globalization, and others who -- like Obama -- dare to challenge her pro-war and pro-corporate agenda.
Few of us on the American left haven't had at least some indirect association with people who, in the recent or distant past, have used rhetoric or engaged in activities most of us would find extreme, irresponsible or reprehensible. (I once asked a respected colleague to write a letter-of-recommendation for a post-doctoral fellowship for which I was applying at Stanford University only to be told that it would probably not be to my advantage since he had been expelled from that institution as an undergraduate for firebombing the Hoover Institution.)
Any cursory examination of clergy and other associates of most prominent Republicans would likely reveal ties to any number of bigots, terrorists (particularly Cuban and Nicaraguan), and other extremists. Yet Clinton has chosen to focus her guilt-by-association campaign on her progressive African-American opponent.
Ironically, the Clintons invited Rev. Wright to the White House as a spiritual advisor and it was President Bill Clinton who pardoned Ayers' wife and fellow Weather Underground activist Bernadine Dohrn. Hillary's self-righteous attacks against Obama, then, are not as much about individuals with whom he has been associated as they are an effort to discredit the party's left wing as a whole.
Indeed, Clinton has attacked what she has called the "activist base" of the Democratic Party, particularly MoveOn, which has been credited for bringing many millions of dollars into Democratic campaigns and thereby lessening the party's dependence on the corporate donors long favored by the Clintons. Blaming the group for many of her electoral defeats, she has complained of the way they have mobilized grass roots activists which have "flooded" state caucuses as a result of their ability to "turn out in great numbers." Emphasizing her differences with MoveOn's liberal positions on foreign policy and national security, she has tried to depict the group as far to the left, even resurrecting the long-discredited claim by Karl Rove that MoveOn opposed the war in Afghanistan.
Underscoring indications that Clinton might prefer to have the Democrats lose the presidential election in November if she isn't the nominee, journalist Celeste Fremon has noted how "Clinton's remarks depart radically from the traditional position of presidential candidates, who in the past have celebrated high levels of turnout by party activists and partisans as a harbinger for their own party's success -- regardless of who is the eventual nominee -- in the general election showdown."
Not that Clinton has cared that much about how other Democrats fare, as illustrated on her failure to support Democratic candidates in close races in most recent Congressional elections. Traditionally, Democratic Senate candidates assured easy re-election victories who find themselves in the final weeks of the campaign with more campaign contributions than they need donate their excess funds to the Democratic National Committee in order to help other Democratic House and Senate nominees in tight races. However, even though Clinton defeated her Republican opponent in the 2006 Senate race, as expected, by a more than 2:1 margin, she refused to share virtually any of her $13 million surplus in campaign contributions, money which would have almost certainly resulted in a number of additional Democratic victories in close races in this critically-important election in which control of both houses of Congress was at stake.
The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Much has been written over the past couple of weeks about how Clinton, supported by ABC reporters Charles Gibson and her husband's former press secretary George Stephanopoulos, red-baited Obama in the nationally-televised debate just prior to the Pennsylvania primary, in the words of Steve Weissman, "as if he were a reluctant witness called before HUAC, the House Un-American Activities Committee." Perhaps out of fear that, if they focused on real issues, Obama would easily outshine Clinton, not a single question dealing with a substantive policy issue was even asked during the first 45 minutes of the debate, focusing instead on questioning Obama's patriotism because of his failure to wear an American flag lapel pin and similar efforts to portray him in a negative light.
As journalist Robert Scheer put it, Clinton has been using such tactics from the right as "radical-baiting associates to challenging his resolve in protecting the nation from foreign enemies" and Obama, whom he describes as "eminently sensible and centrist to a fault," is being depicted as "weak and even vaguely unpatriotic because he is thoughtful." Referring to the notorious Republican operatives of previous elections who brought down Democratic nominees John Kerry, Al Gore and Michael Dukakis, Scheer adds "Neither Karl Rove nor Dick Morris could have done a better job."
Other prominent Democratic supporters of the Iraq war and leading figures in the party establishment have joined Clinton in attacking Obama, also focusing more on image and alleged associations than actual positions. Joseph Lieberman, whom the Democrats chose as their vice-presidential nominee in 2000, recently argued in a nationally-televised talk show that it was a "good question" as to whether Obama was Marxist and, while he'd personally hesitate to use that label, he insisted Obama's positions are "far to the left of . . . mainstream America."
In a manner reminiscent of anti-Semites who insisted that Jews were simultaneously bankers controlling the world's wealth and Communists plotting Marxist revolution, Clinton and her supporters are trying to simultaneously portray Obama as both a leftist with radical associates as well as an elitist who doesn't care about ordinary working class Americans. Even the normally pro-Clinton New York Times has referred to her campaign strategy "mean, vacuous, and pandering."
Clinton has far more personal wealth and has far closer ties to power brokers in Washington and on Wall Street than does Obama. (For example, during the 1980s, she was serving as a director of Wal-Mart while Obama was serving as a community organizer in poor neighborhoods in south Chicago.) Despite this, Clinton has repeatedly harped on the theme that Obama is an "elitist" and that it is she who is the friend of the working class. Prominent high-priced Democratic consultants like Howard Wolfson, Lanny Davis, Kiki McLean and James Carville, joined by Fox News commentators and other powerful right-wing interests threatened by the prospects of an Obama presidency, have joined Clinton in portraying Obama as somehow out of touch with ordinary Americans, though they -- unlike Obama -- have spent precious little time among America's working people.
These systematic attacks seem to be working. Just a couple of months ago, polls showed that Obama's negative ratings were at only 8%, one of the lowest ever for a serious presidential contender, a figure that almost guaranteed enough of a landslide victory in November that could produce a near veto-proof Democratic majority in Congress. Thanks to the recent attacks by Clinton and her supporters, however, Barack Obama's negatives have jumped to 42%, resulting in a loss of his once-commanding lead over Senator McCain, which has been reduced to a statistical dead heat.
Standing Up Against Clinton
A sizable number of Democrats decided some time ago that they would not vote for Hillary Clinton -- even if she got the party's nomination -- because of her dangerous views regarding presidential power: specifically, her belief -- illustrated in her October 2002 vote authorizing the invasion of Iraq -- that the president of the United States should be able to invade a country on the far side of the world that is no threat to us at the time and circumstances of his own choosing. Furthermore, Senator Clinton's false claims about Iraq still having chemical weapons, biological weapons, a nuclear weapons program, sophisticated delivery systems and ties to the al-Qaeda terrorist network in order to justify her support for the invasion of that oil-rich country have raised serious questions regarding her credibility, particularly since she has steadfastly refused to apologize for her vote or for her untruthful statements regarding the alleged Iraqi threat. It was similar concerns by progressive Democrats that limited support from the party's base to Senator John Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign, resulting in his defeat.
Indeed, even though Obama is to the left of Clinton on most issues, most polls have shown him doing much better than Clinton against incipient Republican nominee John McCain.
Democrats need to make it clear to the remaining undecided super-delegates that nominating Hillary Clinton would be completely unacceptable and that she would not be supported in the general election. As Tom Hayden put it, "If Clinton doesn't immediately cease her path of destruction, millions of young voters and black voters may not send checks, may not knock on doors, and may not even vote for her if she becomes the nominee. That's not a threat, that's the reality she is creating."
There is little doubt that Clinton and her supporters will severely damage the Democratic Party in the unlikely event she wrests the nomination away from Obama. Even assuming that Obama does end up as the Democratic nominee as expected, however, Clinton and her supporters may have already done so much damage that John McCain, despite eight years of Republican misrule, could still sweep to victory.


117 Comments so far
Show AllHillary Clinton will, by herself, destroy the Democratic Party.
Clinton and Pelosi have a lot in common, helping drag this country into a corporate fascist state. The story in the following link says it all.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/27/AR2008042701660.html
kathyodat
Unfortunately, Obama himself has joined in the smear campaign against people who are embarrassingly leftwing--in smacking down his former friend, Obama has informed us it is reprehensible to compare American actions with those of terrorists. So much for the progressive standardbearer.
I'm voting for Obama, btw, if he gets the nomination, but I've got no illusions about him. He's a lying politician like the rest.
I nearly puked this morning when I heard Hillary Clinclone mimmicking John McClone's lame proposal to eliminate the 18 cent per gallon Federal gas tax this summer.
It was bad enough when she had her own bad ideas. Now she is latching on to McClone's bad ideas.
Clinton is a hero for helping unmask the Obama "new kind of politician" b.s. For more on that topic, check out what Chris Hedges at Truthdig writes on "Corporate America Hearts Obama."
RMouse, she's getting some help, most notoriously from Bill. God save us from these narcissists who think they are more important than anything else. I knew the Clintons were bad news back in 1992, but they have exceeded my expectations, as has Bush, as has the invasion of Iraq. What's next? McCain? I'm afraid to try to imagine how bad he can be. I'm hearing some pretty unnerving stuff about him and we're likely to get stuck with him - thank you Hillary and the ignorant gullible public. Gas tax holiday indeed. McCain and Hillary are saying Obama was for it before he was against it because he supported it in Illinois years ago. He should point out that the hidden consequences convinced him of the error of it and would happen again. He should bl.anket the country with that in ads, naming the consequences, and point out his opponents are fully aware of that, they are taking advantage of the voters economic pain. Obama doesn't have to fight dirty to fight hard. Clinton has to fight dirty because she has nothing else to offer.
kathyodat
Zunes, you are really are some kind of dope, to accuse others of a smear campaign while you are putting out a super sized slime report of your own. Why don`t you send your information to Limbaugh and his friends?
Maybe we should impeach Bill and Hillary again to make all of you Hillary haters happy, and then we can crown Obama as our new saviour of the world. There is of course no doubt that he can handle all problems easily as he never has any of his own.
When you have your little wine tasting party this weekend, watch out for all these former "Rev Wright is a saint" people who now must crawl back into the woodwork and hope for a wind change.
Such hippocrits.
Watch Fox at 8 for Orielly tonight. No, you don't have to tell any of your liberal friends that you did, so "it's OK".
See and hear, then YOU decide, and enjoy the "eye candy" to boot.
Instead of feeding on each other, feast on another side of the story...FOR ONCE!!!!!!!
your friend banjoman
The Democratic Party, like the other corporate party, the Republican Party, are antithetical to working people. These are the corporate parties that exist to protect the rich ruling class. Out of necessity, and self preservation, the working class is beginning to realize this. They will realize it even more when gasoline hits $5.00 (plus) per gallon and rice becomes a delicacy. The MSCM (main stream corporate media)infiltration into the national psyche, for the moment, continues the delusion that U.S presidential elections are democratic. Just ask Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel, Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, etc. If you hear it on the MSCM you can be certain that it has been produced for your consumption and of course your acceptance as reality. Someday, perhaps soon, we will progress beyond the pap that passes for news and the orchestrations we call elections. Meanwhile, we waste our time as unwitting actors in the soap opera of corporate party presidential campaigns.
Ironically, the Clintons invited Rev. Wright to the White House as a spiritual advisor and it was President Bill Clinton who pardoned Ayers' wife and fellow Weather Underground activist Bernadine Dohrn.
**H is for hypocrite.
Kernel's post above is exactly why I believe the democratic party is already fractured beyond repair. Obama should bail on these friggin 'democrats' and float a third party. A multi-party democracy is definitely more desirable than a unified McCain-Clinton ticket. This Republican-Democrat f__ckfest makes me wanna puke.
If people in this country are so stupid to realize that is the policies of the candidates that matters, rather than appearance, then the US deserves another 8 years of Republican rule.
Kernel seems to be representative of a breed of "low-information" Anti-Obama Democrats who became politically passionate in the 90s defending Bill and Hillary against the vast right-wing conspiracy. Just like people who form their musical tastes in their early twenties and never change after that, these people see the Clintons as the King and Queen of left-wing politics, and view everything else that comes along through that filter.
So they have not taken the time to see who Obama really is... and to see his potential to really make a positive difference for the USA and the world. Instead, they just see him as another threat to Hillary, their outdated standard-bearer.
You (us) lefties had better arrange the team-up of Clinton and Obama before McCain and Huckabee do the 12-year "number" on you and your (our) common "dreams".
Paul Simon wrote about "slip-sliding away" and you're seeing a form of it playing out before your eyes----on good old racism, no less.
Clinton apparently doesn't remember that MoveOn was created to defend her husband from impeachment. The original name was "Censure and Move On", and what they were promoting was that Congress should censure the president for his conduct and then move on - not sqander time and resources on an impeachment about sex. After the impeachment, MoveOn devoted itself to defeating all congressmen and senators who supported the impeachment - and they were rather successful! Not surprising that Clinton is not the least bit grateful.
What to expect from Ma and Pa Clinton? Vote Obama, expect nothing, and hope he doesn't disappoint you, anyway.
Maybe its time that the MoveOn crowd moved out of the Democratic Party. The progressive base of the party has been treated the same way that the Religious Right has been treated by the Republicans. At least they make noises about bailing to get a little cred. It seems to me that a political party that branded itself as anti-corporation would get 2/3 of the vote in this country.
If I am not mistaken, Move-On.org was started as a call to move on past the Monica-Bill show and get on with the nation's real and critical business, which was being ignored but sorely needed to be addressed.
Apologies to jeannez, who posted while I was typing my post.
Obama may be such a wonderful person that he cannot bring himself to say anything against anothers policies, even though he evidently has plenty of material, thanks to Zunes and his brand of muck rakers.
However, if he intends to try getting elected for President, he will have to stop being so pure and thoughtful, as when he goes up against the Rethugs, he will find he has plenty to deal with in smear campaigns.
Hillary, on the other hand, is a fighter and whoever is the nominee had better be in our political climate of today. It does no good to have high-minded ideals if one cannot deal with the opposition and win the election.
Many see very little difference in Clinton or Obama as far as policy is concerned, but there is a huge difference between either of them and McBush.
Donald
Why are you voting for "a lying politician like the rest"?
RMouse April 30th, 2008 12:40 pm
"Hillary Clinton will, by herself, destroy the Democratic Party."
Good Riddance! Perhaps then we can find an actual alternative.
Daniel David April 30th, 2008 2:39 pm
"You (us) lefties had better arrange the team-up of Clinton and Obama before McCain and Huckabee do the 12-year "number" on you and your (our) common "dreams"."
All I can say is
Cynthia McKinney '08
I could agree with Chunga's Revenge if Cynthia McKinney had even a remote chance of being elected. As it stands, every vote for Cynthia will merely advantage Republicans.
Banjoman, if you are going to use big words like 'hypocrite' you should really learn how to spell them. Chunga,---right on! I hope Obama breaks away and forms a third party with Nader as VP.
Shortly after the 2004 election theft, Bill Clinton said "Bush won the election fair and square."
Statisticians put the odds of that in the stratosphere, about the same odds as winning the lottery. What this said to me, was that he was happy with the results.
Their loyalty is not to country, or to party, but to class. To the class that has robbed us blind, while dismantling our freedoms, and using our armed forces to rob other countries.
Hillary and Bill will not stop until they have either gotten what they want , or destroyed the chances of Obama.
Rich M & gimmiesometruth___ Thanks for the compliments on my intelligence. I do the best I can for just being a lil ole farm boy that can hardly read, much less think like you well educated college graduate types are capable of.
Maybe I should let loose with a batch of three, four, and five letter words to show you just how sophisticated I really am. Seems to work pretty well for many that post here.
Perhaps that is the trouble, Obama is just too elitist for some of we simple people to understand, but we do realize bull***t when we see it and there is plenty around. Whoops, that was an eight letter one.
The Zunes article is quite good, but is not either accurate enough or cynical enough. Glenn Goodman above has it right I think. I'd just link "gotten what they want" AND "destroyed the chances of Obama."
Think about it. Hillary being president is the one goal she has in life. She cannot become president in 2008 without the "superdelegates" overturning the will of the party voters and destroying the party. Therefore, what are her options? Since Obama will get the nomination, all she can do is destroy his chances of winning, enabling McCain to win. After the election she'll say "You should have picked a stronger, more experienced candidate than the weak Obama—me." And she'll immediately start running against McCain for the 2012 contest, while McCain deals with the Bush fallout and blowback economically and possibly militarily.
Then she runs again in 2012
Farfetched? I don't think so. She wants to be president and helping McCain beat Obama is her only option. She can't run against Obama in 2012. In 2016 she'll be 69 years old. This is her *strategy* folks. It is about her power, not the good of the party, nation or world.
(I'm not an Obama fan, finding his policies to be too corporate, conservative and militarist. But I may vote for him, or McKinney or Nader. Why could I ever vote for the corporate conservative Obama? He may significantly less awful than McCain.)
Read the longer argument by Jeffrey St. Clair called Blonde Ambition:
http://www.counterpunch.org/stclair03242008.html
What was it about Jeremiah Wright's speech at the National Press Club that so "outraged" Barack Obama?
It wasn't about "God damn America!" because Obama had already heard it, and he didn't get "outraged." He threw his grandmother under the bus instead.
It wasn't the federal government inventing AIDS to exterminate black people, because Obama had already heard that, too.
But Obama's mysterious "outrage" is easy to understand for anybody who knows a few actors.
Here's the money quote:
"The fact that Reverend Wright would think that somehow it was appropriate to command the stage for three or four consecutive days in the midst of this major debate is something that not only makes me angry, but also saddens me," Mr. Obama said.
"Get off my stage!"
So the political actor Barack Obama finally showed some genuine emotion, instead of his usual "inspirational" posing, and it wasn't about politics, because Obama had already heard all of Jeremiah Wright's politics a long time ago.
Obama had a hissy fit because another drama queen upstaged him, and now...
The show must go on!
This is an excellent post. And despite some of the controversy on this blog, Zunes is not particularly pro-Obama. What he is pointing out is that it is irresponsible for real progressives to support a pro-corporate, pro-war campaign that utilizes heavy-handed strategies reminiscent of right-wingers like Karl Rove.
"This raises the very disturbing prospect that, as president, Clinton would use similar guilt-by-association smears against anti-war activists, environmentalists, opponents of neo-liberal globalization, and others who — like Obama — dare to challenge her pro-war and pro-corporate agenda."
Maybe Zunes could be harder on Obama here. While I'm not sure he's quite pro-war and pro-corporate he's not exactly anti- either. But at least he is willing to challenge Hillary and the DLC.
Donald is right to mention the fact that its disturbing that Obama would throw Wright under the bus for saying things that were *gasp* progressive and challenged U.S. hegemony.
Yes, Obama is a politician and doesn't blow me away on the issues. On the other hand, he does have a history of helping people through progressive action and community organizing. His foreign policy is significantly less frightening (though I would still say hegemonic/imperialist) and his view of executive power is a hell of a lot less scary than Clinton's.
Different people have different preferences. Some progressives stick with the Democrats and others say we need to go third party. I think it depends on the election and personal preference. I think any progressive has the right to look at these two candidates and say, "No, thanks". At the same time, I think there are some real indications that progressives need to say no thanks to Clinton and the DLC.
Funny how Hillary Clinton has been praised for being a fighter, (and tricky enough) and she herself touts her machismo as being tough enough to beat the Republicans in the presidential election.
Am I the only one who sees how funny that is?
First of all, we now have in the White House a president and vice-president who were tough enough to beat the Democrats in the last two elections, (and tricky enough) but that did not make them better at leading us to peace and prosperity, did it? (Not to mention keeping them from sinking our world reputation.)
And who really believes that the American voters will once again put a Republican in the White House? It is just not going to happen.
Her trickiness and toughness are not reasons to vote for Hillary (Bill) Clinton for President of these United States, but they are the reasons that H. Clinton is running on. It's the press that just doesn't get it, Hillary.
IMHO we are in no need of "psuedo-participatory Constitutional dynastic rule"(PPCDR). A term of my own provenance, PPCDR is applied to anyone running for the office of President that has familial ties to another person who has served the Constitutionally limited two terms as President.
As for Sen. Obama throwing Rev. Wright under the bus, well what would anyone expect? To qoute Jack Nicholson in a "Few Good Men", "...you want the truth? You can't handle the truth!" And American's on the whole can't handle the truth and they cannot abide especially a Black Man delivering that truth. What? He must be angry and of course being angry at what our government has wrought is being Anti-American, and what good American desirous of the Presidency would even associate with such a person? But then Rev. Wright is smart enough, or at least should be smart enough to realize that one must be able to fight and stil live to fight another day. It's not every fight that requires you totally annihilate the enemy or even try. Sometimes when that is not possible or practible one has to retire from the field of battle and then strike at the appropriate time and place. Now is not that time. And so Sen. Obama could only respond appropriate to what will get him elected. And that is what successful politicians do, get elected!
We can boo hoo from now until the cows come home, but non-Republicans will not be allowed a level playing field. There's video of Rendell praising Farakhan. Will Hillary be taken to the proverbial woodshed on that association of course not. More to the point, McCain sought out and courted Rev. Hagee. Will you see contnious loops of Hagee villifying Roman Catholicism? Of course not. but let some now obscure African-American preacher tangentially associated with the cousin of Sen Obama's daughter's classmate say he read Pres. Jimmy Carter's book on Isreal, and immediatelly Sen Obama will be called on to condemn and castigate.
I'm African-American so my comments for the most part can herby be discounted as the rantings of and angry black man, but for a considered and decidedly non-African-American take on all of this see:
http://www.vimeo.com/808451
Anytime I read any of these pieces, I just want to barf. Does anyone notice the sheer hypocracy of attacking Clinton's tactics in one paragraph, then using the same tactics back against the Clinton's in a later paragraph.
Note the way the author screams foul about using Rev. Wright to attack Obama, then turns around and uses Rev. Wright to attack Clinton (the 'spiritual adivisor invited to the WH bit). The silliness of the Democratic Party's idea of a debate continues to amaze me.
I hope the first comment is true. Destroying the Democratic Party is the best thing that could happen to this country. Unfortunately, its probably just more hyperbole being tossed between two candidates, neither of which can talk to the American people about solutions to their real problems.
Coyotita sez: "And who really believes that the American voters will once again put a Republican in the White House? It is just not going to happen."
"American voters" haven't put a Republican in the White House since W's poppy in '88. And they again won't do so this fall when McSame is installed.
But the "election campaign" does make entertaining theatre. Similar to pro wrestling.
I've picked up the habit over the years of whenever the corporate media goes into a 'two minute hate' over someone ... like Rev. Wright ... I both ignore what they say and also try to go check them out on my own. A big part of the message in the corporate media is to distort his words and try to make people both hate him and not listen to him. So, that's my cue that maybe I should try listening to him.
Don't know much, but from what I've seen from the interview with Bill Moyers (online at his PBS website), I think I'd gladly vote for the Rev. Wright over either Obama or Hillary!
McCain won't win. Place money on it.
The corporate money has already moved to the Democrats, especially Obama (who is Wall St's candidate). Its the corporate money that decides elections, and you can already see the returns on how its going heavy to the Democrats this time around.
In 2000 with Dubya, it was the opposite. The corporate money had left the Clinton Democrats and was going heavy to Bush, even early in the primaries.
My feeling on this is that
a) The corporate money knows the Bushies have gone too far.
b) They know the Republican 'brand' is damaged and needs rebuildings.
c) The Democrats have been their 'B team' for just such occasions ever since the DLC took the party over in the late 80's. Corporate money knows they can trust both Hillary and Obama to protect the gains of the Bush years, and even extend it in a few areas that the Bushies can't touch (see Obama's comments about privatizing Social Security).
Don't get too hung up on just the Republicans. Its corporate money that rules the country, and they'll gladly switch horses when its to their benefit. That's the entire story of the end of the last Bush era and the Clinton era, and we'll see the same again.
Yes, Hillary Clinton is a fighter. She fought for the bankruptcy bill tooth and nail. She fought her fellow Democrats to give Bush the go-ahead for the illegal Iraq invasion. She fought off all fellow Democrats she was running against (Biden, Kucinich, Dodd, Richardson, Obama and Edwards) to sign the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, labeling the entire Iranian military a terrorist organization and giving Bush another opportunity to attack yet another Muslim country.
And as a fighter, Hillary has made it clear she would kill 70,000,000 Iranians herself if given the chance. Now that's tough!
Hillary fought for, and won, the endorsemnts of Rupert Murdock, Ann Coulter and Richard Mellon Scaife.
Now she's fighting Barack Obama, with kung fu only Lee Atwater or Karl Rove could mimic. And while taking on the entire Black community with her left hand!
And not least of all, she's fighting all the American people, declaring which states are worthy, which rules should apply and why we don't matter at all.
Yes, Hillary Clinton is a fighter. Her supporters appreciate all she does. So much so, they'll even change parties in the primaries to prove it.
I would say that this article should be renamed to "Obama supporter's smear campaign against Hillary Clinton".
Btw, the "She did it too" accusation is so 4th grade.
I saw Wright on Bill Moyers. He struck me as a decent and thoughtful man. He has integrity and for that Obama had to disown him. I guess I thought more of Obama than I should have. I really shouldn't be surprised.
Still, I think Obama is by far the best choice. I don't see how he is more corporate than Clinton and the Common Dreams bloggers claims that he's THE Wall Street candidate is puzzling to me. I'm open to seeing the evidence that he's more corporate than Clinton. Right now I don't buy it.
"McCain won't win"? Ah.... I was cocky enough to say that of George W. Bush in 2000 and he was a far weaker candidate than McCain.
Thanks LADAVIS for the "rantings of an angry black man." Most often these "rantings" are nothing but the truths the white majority does not want to hear, but for that very reason these statements must be repeated, louder and louder and more and more often, by as many people as possible, until they gain the stature of legitimate comment.
litt_wmn@yahoo.com
Just want to add here that articles like this are REALLY bad for the Democratic party. I blame Obama and all of his lackeys for creating an incredibly hostile atmosphere. The lackeys cried very early on that they would refuse to vote for Clinton if she got the nomination, and then presented this as a reason for CLinton supporters to switch sides. Now they are being repaid for their insolence ... even greater numbers of Clinton supporters are refusing to vote for Obama if he gets the nomination. He will lose without those votes. Really brilliant tactics, Obama people !
LaDavis - Well said.
Oh goody goody, happy friggin day. Another Obama/Clinton article, number 102 this month. I didn't read this one.
We get to read here, "Joe says" and then "Susie says" and then "Tufo44 wrote, and I think, and "You're full of it May Ellis" and "She didn't say that, and Obama did this and Hillary did that and McCain will win "IF" and McCain can't win. And the bleat goes on.
Whooopeeee do, can't wait for tomorrow's articles. ___ Lord do help us PROGRESSIVES.
I don't think I'd say 'more corporate' than Hillary. I just don't think he'll be any different in that regard.
My views are based on reading articles of analysis of campaign finance reports dating back to last year. Even early in the race, Obama was the leading recipient of Wall St. money.
Center for Responsive politics (http://www.opensecrets.org/) is always a good source for raw data. I'd have to google a bit to find articles that analyze the data. That's not one article I'm thinking of, but a series from different sources dating back to last fall.
Obama will get the nomination and he will still cream
McCain. Note Frank Rich's piece
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/opinion/27rich.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
"How McCain Lost Pennsylvania" ...
about 220,000 REPUBLICANS who voted AGAINST McCain for Ron Paul or Huckabee even though they knew McCain had the nomination.
Do not be misled or browbeaten by the media propaganda, the same propaganda that failed to see the 2006 results.
People are STILL overwhelmingly against the Iraq War but even more angry than ever - now they also have a slumping economy, $4 per gallon gas prices, rising food prices to
be upset about.
Young people are overwhelmingly on our side - even the children of my traditional Republican neighbors in 7th grade are bringing up the costs of the Iraq War in their own casual conversations about school funding...
Obama won a mock election in this Republican bastion by a landslide...
Cheer up! Talk to your neighbors, organize, go door to door.
Forget about the toxic media....
When I read posts, like the one above from atheist, stating that Obama and his supporters have created a "hostile atmosphere," I have to wonder first if I have entered an alternate universe and second if there is any hope at all left for the Democratic party.
Or is that really you, Rush? Sean? Billo?
Well, atheist I don't think Zunes would be too upset that articles like these are bad for the democratic party--because the democratic party is generally pretty bad for America. Bill Clinton was bad for America (e.g. welfare reform, NAFTA, starving Iraqi children, un-critical support of Israel). The democrats don't automatically deserve my vote. This article shows how Clinton really doesn't deserve my vote. I'm a values voter...she doesn't share my values.
Ladavis wrote: "And so Sen. Obama could only respond appropriate to what will get him elected. And that is what successful politicians do, get elected!"
What happened to CHANGE ? Apparently Obama is just another politician who will do what he needs to do, including sacrificing a 20 year old friendship, to get elected. So worried about himself, it's all about him (Obama), how dare anyone else step into his spotlight without giving the Obama-approved speech !
I happen to like Wright. Btw, I'm white. I agree with him on many of the things he said. I applauded his comparison of himself with Cheney re military service, his 9/11 comments, and even his AIDS theory (though I'm not convinced it was directed at blacks, if there was any conspiracy at all I think it was meant to wipe out the gay population).
SURELY Obama had become familiar with Wright's speaking manner and content DURING THE 20 YEARS HE HAS KNOWN HIM ! And all of the sudden, this man who was chosen as his spritual advisor has embrassed him ! I suspect it has much to do with Wright's blackness ... Obama wants to appropriate black when it's convenient for him, but only to the point of his conception of white palatability. When Obama speaks to black audiences he turns on the black, but when he's speaking to mixed audiences suddenly he's the reserved half-white. When Wright spoke to the national audience instead of just the black congregation, Obama bristled. It doesn't fit into his chameleon plan, target your speech to the audience. How racist is that ???
Obama is racist. He thinks whites can't handle black, when in fact we've been embracing black for decades.
KEM PATRICK April 30th, 2008 6:05 pm ..What the hell got in your craw? You've been posting your back and forth crap and endless rhetoric for longer than I can remember. All of a sudden, this holier than thou attitude? Give me a big breaK, PLEASE!!
orbit7er, didn't you see the Gallup poll asking Clinton and Obama supporters if they would vote for the other candidate if that candidate gets the nomination ? Something like 19% of Obama supporters said they wouldn't vote for Clinton, and 28% of Clinton supporters said they wouldn't vote for Obama. Obama CANNOT WIN if 28% of Clinton voters will not vote for him.