Petraeus Promotion Frees Cheney to Threaten Iran
WASHINGTON - The nomination of Gen. David Petraeus to be the new head of the Central Command not only ensures that he will be available to defend the George W. Bush administration's policies toward Iran and Iraq at least through the end of Bush's term and possibly even beyond.
It also gives Vice President Dick Cheney greater freedom of action to exploit the option of an air attack against Iran during the administration's final months.
Petraeus will take up the CENTCOM post in late summer or early fall, according to Defence Secretary Robert Gates.
The ability of the administration to threaten Iran with an attack both publicly and behind the scenes had been dramatically reduced in 2007 by opposition from the former CENTCOM commander, Adm. William Fallon, until he stepped down from the post under pressure from Gates and the White House last month.
Petraeus has proved himself willing to cooperate closely with the White House policy lines on Iraq and Iran, arguing against any post-surge reduction in troop strength policy and blaming Iran for challenges to the U.S. military presence. Along with the deference to Petraeus in Congress and the media, his pliability on those issues made him the obvious choice to replace Fallon.
But Petraeus had already effectively taken over many of the powers of the CENTCOM commander last year.
As the top commander in Iraq, Petraeus was in theory beneath Fallon in the chain of command. But in reality Petraeus ignored Fallon's views and took orders directly from the White House. Petraeus was in effect playing the role of CENTCOM commander in regard to the twin issues of Iraq and Iran.
Fallon clashed with Petraeus repeatedly from the beginning of his command about the surge and U.S. withdrawal from Iraq. Fallon opposed the surge and believed the U.S. should begin the withdrawal of most of its troops from Iraq. But he was effectively stymied by the close Petraeus-White House link from being able to influence U.S. military policy in Iraq and the region as a whole.
Fallon had also pushed very hard, according to a source familiar with his thinking, for trying to negotiate an agreement with Iran over innocent passage through the Strait of Hormuz in order to ease tensions caused by the U.S.-Iranian differences over the obligations of navy vessels transiting the Strait. But any such negotiations would have conflicted with the administration's emphasis on confrontation with Iran, and they weren't interested.
Petraeus revealed in his Congressional testimony Apr. 10 that he had already assumed some of the functions normally carried out by the CENTCOM commander in regard to relations with military leaders in the region. Petraeus said he had "actually gone to a couple of neighbouring countries in an effort... to get at the networks, the countries in which they operate, and the sources of some of these foreign fighters."
In fact, the Associated Press reported, Petraeus had taken trips to five different Middle Eastern countries -- Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates -- since September 2007. That should have been Fallon's job, but the White House had apparently made it clear they wanted Petraeus -- not Fallon -- to undertake missions.
It had become increasingly evident to Fallon that he was not really running things at CENTCOM, according to the source. Fallon's frustration about Petraeus' de facto power over Middle East policy was the main reason he was ready to step down.
But it was Fallon's refusal to accept the that the option of a military strike against Iran was still effectively on the table that led to serious tensions with the White House, as reported in Esquire magazine in early March. Fallon had evidently angered Cheney by suggesting publicly on three occasions between September and late November that a military strike against Iran had been ruled out by Washington.
Fallon's resignation announcement on Mar. 11 was followed less than a week later by a 10-day Cheney trip to the Middle East in which the vice president talked explicitly about the military option against Iran during visits to Turkey and Saudi Arabia. That suggested that Cheney felt freer to wield the military threat to Iran with Fallon neutralised.
Cheney aggressively solicited political support from Turkish leaders for a U.S. strike against Iranian nuclear facilities during his visit to Turkey last month, according to a source familiar with Cheney's meeting in Ankara.
Cheney was "very aggressive" in asking Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and President Abdullah Gul, as well as Turkey's chief of general staff Gen. Yasar Bukyukanit to get "on board" with such an attack, according to the source, who has access to reports from the Cheney visit.
Cheney indicated that Turkey had been added to the trip at the last minute, suggesting that the decision to visit Ankara was linked to the Fallon resignation.
After the meeting between Cheney and King Abdullah on the same trip, Saudi sources let it be known to the media that Abdullah had told Cheney that his government opposed any U.S. military strike against Iran. That suggested that Cheney had brought up the military option in Ryadh as well.
One of Cheney's main objectives on the trip appears to have been to get the message to Iran that the option of a strike against its nuclear facilities is still very much alive.
In an interview with Cheney while he was in Ankara, ABC News reporter Martha Raddatz commented, "[W]hen you come over here, people in the region start thinking you're over here to plan some sort of military action."
Cheney strongly implied that it was indeed the major objective of his trip. "Well, I think the important thing to keep in mind," he said, "is the objective that we share with many of our friends in the region, and that is that a nuclear-armed Iran would be very destabilising for the entire area."
Petraeus has become the primary administration spokesman for the argument holding Iran primarily responsible for the Shiite military resistance to the U.S. occupation of Iraq. Petraeus and his staff developed the idea in early 2007 that Iran was using so-called "special groups" of renegade Mahdi Army fighters to wage a proxy war against U.S. forces.
In his testimony before Congressional committees earlier this month, Petraeus declared that what he called the "special groups" allegedly organised and manipulated by Iran "pose the greatest long-term threat to the viability of a democratic Iraq".
*Gareth Porter is an historian and national security policy analyst. The paperback edition of his latest book, "Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam", was published in 2006.
© 2008 Inter Press Service
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Show All… keeping one's "powder dry" in these days is quite something else, and quite commendable and inspirational
Thank you Ahuramazda,
for the wonderful quote from someone who certainly had to deal with the likes of the "Rush Limbaughs" of his times -- and likely triumphed amazingly in that, as well as his other ( more challenging ) efforts.
- Nothing gives one person so much advantage over another
as to remain always cool and unruffled under
any circumstances.
Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me we should get organized and march (IE: 1968-73 style) on Washington and not only against this illegal war(s) but also NAFTA; Mortgage meltdown; soaring cost of healthcare; poverty in this the richest nation on the planet; lack of momentum to aleviate global warming, etc.etc.
Five LINKS about PSYCHOPATHETICs among US (18 youtube videos) :
_here_
How long until this picture hits the archives? I noticed a lot of CDers were up all night Thursday. I was almost too scared to sleep, too.
I agree greatbear...except they have one great thing goin and I hope they don't exploit this like Hillary's playground antics...
"I am like Harry truman" with McCain sayin "I am an Elephant!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He7Ge7Sogrk
Now if you think this is one of a kind... (I hope McCain's Repubs don't find this) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVmdJ6UR3l4&feature=related
The current republican party needs to have their license to operate pulled. With Cheney planning to attack Iran, and Rush Limbaugh calling for riots at home, the current republican party has proven themselves to be a danger to America-domestically and abroad.
Another political party can be licensed for people who are political conservatives. Is there anything the republicans have left standing? Have they done anything that anyone would consider a "plus?" Time to pull the plug.
The current republican party needs to have their license to operate pulled. With Cheney planning to attack Iran, and Rush Limbaugh calling for riots at home, the current republican party has proven themselves to be a danger to America-domestically and abroad.
Another political party can be licensed for people who are political conservatives. Is there anything the republicans have left standing? Have they done anything that anyone would consider a "plus?" Time to pull the plug.
Fletcher,
Thanks for the laugh... I agree Bush could do whatever... I still think he is bluffing to keep up the fear which keeps him in power... but when he is gone, his power and protection will be nil.
I just want to add one more thought. I love how Common Dreams is always finding these wonderful file photos of Cheney, looking as if he's giving birth to a brick. He must be the most constipated man in the United States. Perhaps that accounts for his behavior.
Thanks Pelosi for not impeaching these bastards when you had the chance...is this the important work that would have been disrupted by impeachment?
I blame the 2006 slate of do-nothing Dems for this coming holocasut
I found this article to be rather pointless. The Commander-in-Chief of the United States has never needed or required the emotional, or political cooperation of any of its commanders in order to wage war. By the power of our Constitution (you know, the dusty old document in the basement of our archives) the military need only give their professional support. It is the job of all of our soldiers, sailors, Marines, and airmen. Their job is to follow orders. Patraeus' promotion makes no difference. The current administration can just as easily launch another illegal war now. They certainly don't need anyone's approval in our military. They certainly haven't followed much of their advice.
What to do? What to do? Congress did not santion the war in Iraq. This time Congress will certainly do whatever the bandits ask them to do. They have agreed to everything else that King George asks. If by some strange fluke they actually openly opposed attacking Iran King George would just give it one of his usual signing statements and forge on ahead. Perhaps it would be fitting that King George fly the first load of bombs, after all he looks so good in a flight suit and this is what the MSM is likes best, good photo ops. Three wars at once. This should keep the military industial complex grinding forever. We can't make anything else in this country but we sure can crank out the war machinery, even if we can't supply our troops who fight these stupid wars with decent protection.
OK tetti tatti
Vote for Nader, He will end the war and Congress will all fall in line with Nader... Right! Oh and some on CD here will vote for him or Mckinney or not vote and that will guarantee a victory for Nader ... tweedle dum and tweedle dee OK sure vote for tweedle flea and we will end this madness!
Progressives can't agree on any course of action just "I want Peace!"... peace which everyone says they want but we hear "Citizens arrest!"... OK we need a leader and a force to over power every cop general Army, Navy, Air force, not to mention the FBI and Secret Service.
Go ahead arrest the vampires and don't vote and vote for Nader or Mckinney ...But won't you be splitting your few uncounted votes? No, who cares you will make a statement... well, let's hear it for a statement!... What you really want is to teach us a lesson and bring in McCain and End the world with a big Bang... If you are disgusted with Iraq, you will help bring on something that will be beyond Disgust and Complaint and Cynicism.... go ahead my progressive heros, I will follow you all to your last dying unheard death of the Human Race!
The only sense I have heard here besides Obama is the best chance we got for change and not a crazy fantasy is from our friend, yap.chongyee "This is all American bullshit ! USA is not in any position to attack anybody !"
Thats right Yap, Only craziness or miscalculation can bring on the big one, and we got a lot of support for that outcome from lots of Progressives right here.
Namaste,
That's great. Here in Texas, half of the dogs are attack dogs that are banned in the DC area. If only that law applied to Cheney, maybe he'd still be in Houston where he belongs.
Isn't there a LEASH LAW in DC ?
elmysterio April 24th, 2008 12:37 pm
"Why does every thread about the crimes of Cheney et al always turn into a "I'm going to vote for XYZ" discussion?"
Because it's legal, elmo. What do you suggest? Attack police stations? Good luck.
We're being set up...again.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7366868.stm
OK, let them go in and flatten IRAN go ahead, just get it over with. I want to see if that will be enough to get you sheep off your fat butts
Every time Cheney sneers and snarls at Iran, the oil speculators make a bundle. All Cheney has to do is to keep on tacitly threatening an air strike, and $4.00 per gallon is going to look like a bargain.
Why don't the Democrats point this out?
It's Betrayus now, isn't it?
This madness must come to an end. War is a disease; and the minds of those in this current administration are diseased.
We may be forced to effect a "citizen's arrest" on bush and cheney. If the Congress will not do their jobs-the citizenry may have to. We cannot allow these sorry excuses for humanity to start another war. We simply cannot
Iran,Syria, Lebanon and Iraq were the targets right from the start, the trouble is Iraq has not surrended to the juggernaught. The troops on the ground know Iraq has been lost, so do Cheney and Bush but a repeat of the first two weeks of Iraq where the coalition of the killing looked victorious could well help McCain in November. Expect air strikes soon and invasion in September or October of Syria that being the easiest option.
An alternative candidate to the Dem/Repug is the only hope the USA has of coming out of this debacle unscathed that is assuming there will be a election of sorts. The troops in Iraq are knackered, they have run out of stamina and the coalition is no longer so where will the two psycho's in Washington get their forces, draft, perhaps or empty the prisons by pardons for volunteers.
If I was an American male citizen of draft age I would be abroad like a shot and lost in the jungles of S. America.
So the plot thickens. Cheney will attack Iran in October, declare a national emergency because of it and viola!! no elections!
Nader is the only way out. Idiots voting Democratic are the reason we're in this mess.
Democrats could've stopped Bush from invading Iraq even before they took control of congress, now that they're in charge it should be even easier, but no, they have chosen to remain Bush co-conspirators. What kind of retarded scum could still vote for DemocRATS?
Nader has always been right, it's Tweedledee vs. Tweedledum.
You Americans have lost every war that you fought in. what kind of superpower are you. In Chinese you are Tou Foo ! Soft like shit !
No, the cost of the Iraq War/Occupation isn't $3 trillion when the final bill is tallied. It is the low estimate of the cost.Economists Stiglitz and Bilmes have counted only $5-10 per barrel of oil cost as caused by the war/occupation.
Bush-Cheney et al have presided over obstructionism during peak oil, global warming, food crisis exacerbated by global warming and biofuel, subprime housing meltdown, stock market criminality. Heck of a job Dubya.
War with Iran will, quite literally, doom the USA. The economic cost of the Iraq War is already $3 trillion. US debt will skyrocket, as will the price of oil.
>>impeachemnow wrote:
"Congress needs to impeach Cheney and Bush; that would put an end to this nonsense.
As for voting for Nader… didn't you learn anything from the last time around?"
....Yeah, the DEMOCRATIC controlled congress should have impeached them long ago, but the DEMOCRATIC (rethug-lite) "leadership" says impeachment is "off the table."
Talk about ending this nonsense. Nader supports impeachment. Your DEMOCRATIC-controlled congress doesn't.
As for voting DEMOCRAT....didn't you learn anything in 2000 or 2004? In 2000 Al Bore didn't carry his own state of Tennessee. Florida he won, despite hanging chads, but he didn't have the balls to fight in the courts. More of your beloved registered DEMOCRATS voted for BUSH than independents did for Nader. Yet your feeble-minded ilk continue to point your fingers at someone who actually has done some good for this country, as if he is somehow responsible -- you know, things that matter. Like car safety, consumer rights, environmental legislation, and the list goes on...and on.
And in 2004 Kerry ("Reporting for Duty")/Edwards couldn't manage to defeat an unpopular idiot who practically collapsed into infant babble in the first televised debate? WTF did Ralph have to do with that?
Why haven't you learned anything, impeachemnow? The Washington establishment is the problem, not the solution.
It took me six pints of porter and ale to calm my nerves and relax, and as a true masochist, I turned on the computer and read Mr. Porter's article as well as the loyal Common Dream choir's "concerns". No offense to anyone. Might as well add mine.
Ezefler: Two words! Gotta hand it 2 U.
Seriously, ladies and gentlemen, each week, this administration gets bolder and nastier, more people die and are maimed, both "ours" and "their's" and PTSD cases are mounting, even though the sinister "officials" in D.C. have tried keeping the lid on this powder keg. Getting Zapped, and it's over right away. Losing limbs, eyesight, etc., makes life more difficult. Psychological problems? Tragic! Every victims situation is unique. Not one of us, not the family, not even the most skilled doctors have a full understanding of the feelings, the frustrations, the anxiety circulating in a persons mind. We have different emotional settings and guidlines within the framework of our consciousness.
Staying healthy and enjoying a long productive life, free from illness and accidents is difficult enough, but to tempt the fates by unnecessarily placing your body and mind, or soul, if you prefer, in harm's way, is a form of Russian Roulette. Especially for this criminal regime. With the abundance of books, magazines, newsletters, documentaries, lectures, progressive tv shows and radio stations, and of course, the Internet: why do our young ones still wish to jepordize themselves for ruthless cowards and liers? Is "thirty pieces of silver" worth it?
Is the world supposed to wait and see who is next on the USA's "hit list?" And just sit back and do nothing? Huh?
If we were Iranians (over there) how would we feel? Between threats from Israel and the right-wing Republicans around the corner in Amerika, wouldn't we want to unleash everything we had to defend our homeland in the event of an attack? You can scare a person so much he keeps backing up, afraid to fight as your intimidations grow louder and stronger. He's still too frightened and continues backing up as your howling and barking intensifies and drowns out his quivering voice to please leave him alone, but you move forward and he continues backing up until his back is against the wall. The moment has come. He can't retreat anymore so it's either perish without a fight or thrust forward, aiming at your jugular vain. The fear is so great, a tiny amount of adrenaline is secreted and with a burst of energy and inner strenght, he may just defeat you, much to your chagrin. History is replete with similar stories, my friends. Could be time to humble "the world's only super-bully" once and for all.
For those of you who have loved ones in the US armed forces, talk to them. If the Republican and Democratic politicians can commit treason and violate their oath of office and scorn the Constitution and most of the first Ten Amendments, then military personnel can do the same. One last thing.
ON May 1st, next Friday, the ILWU (the longshoreman's union) will shut down all 26 ports on the west coast for one day as a protest for this illegal war in Iraq. They are encouraging working people to take off that day in support, and in San Francisco, the "longies" will be marching after a rally. I'll be with them in solidarity. If you can come, please do. Time for a cup of Fair Traded coffee. Organically grown, of course.
You guys and gals are the best! And that ain't alcohol talkin' either.
As we go bankrupt nationally both economically and morally, it is time to look back at our checkered history and recognize what we have known since at least the Mexican War of 1848:
THIS IS A LAND OF VIOLENT AND GREEDY PEOPLE. Maybe no worse than any other peoples in other lands but in our case we had the MEANS to carry out the imperial dreams...We parlayed our cheap oil and wheat and beef and our savvy and brawn into the best lil' empire anyone ever saw....Somebody had to, right?
..... and now the chickens are coming home to roost. It's been a long long time coming. and its a shame we humans couldn't have controlled the forces which are acelerating yet, carrying us onward towards some great new experiment, ready or not.
The main thing is to not lose sight of the beauty in the here and now and the unavoidable truth that No One can know the future, and therefore we have every reason to remain Positive and Joyfull and Loving no matter what. Cheers!
This could be a trap set up by Putin to teach George Bush and Dick Cheney a lesson. Iran may be more capable of defending themselves than these two nitwits may have imagined.
During the Cuban missile crisis, Kennedy blocked the military and the CIA who wanted to take out the USSR. When Kennedy refused to authorise a full invasion of Vietnam he was assassinated. Since that day the President has not been the Commander in Chief - not really.
When the Berlin Wall came down, since China remained quite isolationist, the USA got the oportunity to be the first World empire since the Romans. They had the battle groups, the technology, but no one to fight. To become this new World Order, the USA needed to control the Oil.
Unfortunately, Americans think that their politicians have the power and what has been demonstrated by the silence of Congress is that the Presidential race is a puppet show. Anyone politician who supports the men behind the curtain will get their 30 pieces of silver. Those who oppose will be destroyed. And, regardless of who comes into power in the elections won't matter a damn because they won't have the power or the media exposure to do anything.
Scenario: some sort of terrorist attack occurs in the US by September. cheney says that there's evidence that Iran had a hand in it. Then there's some kind of confrontation in the Gulf with an Iranian ship. Bingo, we attack Iran with a few planes. Directive 51 goes into effect. Marshall law is invoked. We are screwed.
So you think this is a war. If this was all a war was about, we'd call it peace. This is hostility, US imperialism, evidence that we're too big for our britches, war mongering and lots of other things, but not war. We may even get a war for an October surprise, but to call this a war is to minimize the concept. This is what the Chicken Hawks think is war and what they'd have us believe war is, but it ain't war.
Interesting how oil was $25 a barrel at the start of the invasion, and now it's 5 times that. In the words of one smug world leader - Mission Accomplished!!
Aint it interesting how this person came from an oil family and has personal ties to the Saudi Royal family.
Also, a president is permitted to go on 'speaking tours' and legally charge fees of $200,000 a pop. Guess which friends will line up first to pay these speaking fees?
Just look at the fees charged under Clinton:
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2007/clinton-speeches/list/
Connect the dots folks....
Does anyone else hear alarm bells? The general is a pawn, the military will become the police force of the next imperial president -- John McCain. He is the segue to the last "elected" president -- meet Chancellor Bush - Jeb, that is. (This is a bad dream.)
The nomination of Gen. David Petraeus not only ensures that he will be available to defend the George W. Bush administration's policies toward Iran and Iraq at least through the end of Bush's term and possibly even beyond.
Beyond? Hmmm! Like halting an election? Don't think it's possible? The directives are there waiting to be test driven.
Everything is now falling into place for the PNAC who used 9/11 if you still believe the "offical" story we were spoon fed, as the pretext to launch these illegal and horrific wars of agression. Hundreds of thousands of both Iraqi and American are dead and have been maimed. Three trillion dollars worth of agression which could have been put to better use.
Without 9/11 none of this could have been made possible. As you are aware, Iraq had NOTHING! to do with 9/11 and look at where we're at? Our country is hated and there's a good chance we're going to strike at Iran? Oy!
This mendacious cabal is having it's way with our Constitution and is thumbing it's nose at the American people and the World. How many here want another conflict? Sadly, there ain't a darn thing anyone can do to stop such an attack. Middle East hegemony is the game whether we like it or not. The stage has been set.
Such a henious attack on Iran would kill innocent Iranians and the entire Middle East will ignite. Fuel prices that's even if there is any fuel available will spike past $5 a gallon which would cripple America. This is insanity!
The neocon wet dream is ruining America as we know it.
Iran, Iraq, Syria= Axis of Oil.
"U.S. accuses North Korea, Syria of constructing nuclear reactor"
Do you remember Republican President Eisenhower and his flooding of the 'free' world with Atoms For Peace reactors and bomb grade fuel or the US/UK compliance with Israel's nuclear WMD project?
… yep,
we bend over _B A C K W A R D S_ to make ALL people's lives m i s e r a b l e
The US Military is the strongest in the world..it has that crazy RETARD STRENGTH
Thanks Hillary for voting to authorize the coming attack on Iran...bi-otch
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Reject the nomination of General David Petraeus as new Head of Central Command !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IMPEACH both BUSH and CHENEY............TODAY !!!!!!!!!
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If that isn't the face of a gangster, I don't know what is. Cheney is pretty creepy if you ask me. :( He'd make a good Halloween mask.
The Army and Marines have just about had it. They are conscripting Navy and Air Force personnel to do patrols now. Not only do we not have ground troops for another conflict, we will need the draft to stay in Iraq if Maliki's offensive fails and Sadr makes good on his threats.
They don't plan on invading Iran. They are planning on using air power to take out Natanz and other nuclear facilities, and destroy any medium - long range retaliatory capabilities before Iran can use them. The Navy would then quickly move in to protect the gulf and the straits.
Could work like a charm. Could be a disaster with our new embassy and the green zone on fire, Shiites gone wild in lebanon and Iraq, and a nuclear carrier on the bottom of the Gulf.
Has it occurred to anyone that the attack scenario may be used, not to take over and occupy Iran, but to precipitate a crisis that will allow the Bush/Cheney or McCain/? gvmt. to declare martial law? The immediate result of 9/11 were the laws passed giving carte blanche to the cabal to invade the lives of the citizens of this country; the invasion of Iraq came later.
All it would take is one strike against US troops or a battleship and Bush/McCain have the pretext they need to take over openly. We have been living in a de facto fascist dictatorship for the past seven plus years; once everything is in place in this country, a coup becomes possible -- much like the false flag Reichstag fire provided the pretext for Hitler to declare himself Fuhrer and openly take over Germany. They wrote the playbook on how to engineer a fascist takeover decades ago; read what Goebbels said in regards to controlling a country: it's easy to do; all you have to do is to terrify them that an external enemy (the Bolsheviks in the 30s) are going to invade Germany; the Islamic fanatics are going to retaliate against the US in the 2000's.
All this maneuvering in public and in private may be the overtures that come before the next 9/11; false flag or true, it hardly matters, if the intent is to take over -- not Iran -- but the US.
They want all the oil,It's time to get those dangerous f-cking retards,out.Please send them to a country that will charge them with war crimes, and lock them up and waterboard them forever.(Lee harvey oswald where are you now)I wish i still had some of those bumper stickers.I would display it proudly.These f-cking retards haven't done one thing right since they stole the executive branch,when's our legislative branch going to hold them accountable
ezeflyer April 24th, 2008 12:50 pm
"General Petroleum."
It only takes two words to tell the whole story - and it's heart-breaking!
Folks....settle down, it aint going to happen: Good one abuelito, just to expand your points if you dont mind
1) Aint no money, in case you havent noticed, the US federal govnt is broke
2) Aint no public support- you want to sink McCain (who due to the just dumbness of the Democratic party will win by default), who is sure to win this fall, and to sink every other republican in the election, attack Iran.
3) Cheney is ruthless, but he is more greedy than ruthless and aint all that dumb. Cheney has his money that he got from this Iraq war (which is the only reason he wanted to attack them) and in 8 short months goes back to being on the board for halliburton. A war in Iran pretty would much finish destabilizing Iraq, which would be bad for buisness and bad for Cheney's "retirement" fund
4)Aint no army to do this with- Iran aint Iraq, they have an army, are poised to bring Isreal into this (who has enough problems of their own, they dont need to be fighting the entire middle east) and cannot be "defeated" as easy as the depleated Republican Guard of Iraq. Unless we do the draft again, we aint got the soliders to do this and they are already sick of this Iraq war, what makes you think they would step up and fight in Iran?
5) You have been paranoid about this for 4 years, aint happened yet and never will happen, so please take a deep breath, step down from your ledge and dont worry about it and try to change your stinking country instead of worrying about what aint gonna happen. Tom Petty once said "most things I worry about never happen anyway" Iran fits this.
You people can rant and rave all you want but nobody's going to do a damn thing about it if Bush/Cheney want to attack Iran. How many of you thought that the Democratis controlled House of Representatives and Senate that took over in January 2007 were going to make Bush pull the troops out?
I am not in disagreement with those who oppose our continuance in Iraq much less us attacking another country unjustifiably but when it comes down to reality, I've got to say I'm putting my money on the tooth fairy
Oh yeah, Henryd; SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY!
You people can rant and rave all you want but nobody's going to do a damn thing about it if Bush/Cheney want to attack Iran. How many of you thought that the Democratis controlled House of Representatives and Senate that took over in January 2007 were going to make Bush pull the troops out?
I am not in disagreement with those who oppose our continuance in Iraq much less us attacking another country unjustifiably but when it comes down to reality, I've got to say I'm putting my money on the tooth fairy
Oh yeah, Henryd; SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY!
while i have noticed all the bellicose talk about Iran i also do know that our military is stretched thin to the point of near desperation- stop loss, longer tours, unfit people, both physically and mentally being sent back- so i been saying if they want to take on Iran, they will need a draft and a lot more time. apparently no one agrees with this brilliant analysis, yet i'm sure it must have crosse your minds, no? "u.s. to attack Iran" "oh yeah- you and what army?"
BISMARCK: I was thinking the same thing... how dare this ambitious military man/professional killer put that many lives before his own small climb on a transitory ladder?
Perhaps through the Internet we can create a world MAY Day Initiative and ask that those of ALL denominations, atheists included, PRAY for enough LIGHT to blunt the fiery swords of those that would continue to use effete behaviors that many in the world are ready to get beyond. Watching politics today it's like modern costumes placed on figures back in the crusades & Inquisition. There appears to be NO advancement of consciousness in those who have gravitated to the kind of power that comes from knowing & being bought out by the "right" people, and such a dearth of regard for all that matters, people, ecosystems, a sustainable planet, just trade, etc. It dazzles the imagination that "thinking men/women can think so wrongly."
ez - General Petroleum Jelly. Dick easily slides in.
Did i really post that?
*shame*
Nader is irrelevant. Nobody cares about his point of view. Democrats will vote for McCain in sufficient numbers to make him president. If a McCain presidency would be a disaster for the US then maybe that is the best to hope for. The Iranians will pay a price but the rest of the world would be better off. This country is a great danger to everyone and needs to be cut down to size. Perhaps the only way to do so is by military means. There seems to be no other choice left. The US compensates for its military incompetence with raw power. The US has always been militarily inferior and this is evident in Iraq and will be even more so with Iran. The US deserves a licking and I am beggining to hope for it. I am no longer bothered by the prospect of a McCain presidency. I am that BITTER.
Hang Cheney on the White House lawn, imprison Bush for life without parole as a war criminal, court martial Petreaus on the same charges, and then don't vote AT ALL in November. Stop validating the whole corrupt scheme by lining up every four years to vote for the same disappointments, betrayals and lies that lead to nothing but war for the corporations. If voter turnout is 10 or 20%, maybe we irrelevant citizens of this criminal country can begin to organize something that might just work to restore democracy. Voting for corporate-sponsored candidates, because we're told every time we have no other choice, sure as hell isn't going to do it.
Make It Stop: SO rather than encourage votes for 2nd 3rd and 4th place, why not encourage solidarity in realistic terms?
Because there is no real solidarity within the Demok party. It's a totalitarian hierarchy. This was proven after the 2006 elections when the Demok Congress failed to impeach the criminals and call the troops home. This was proven year after year when the Demoks continued to take donations from monsters enslaving the population.
The people are looking for a way out of "business as usual". Progressives are lighting the beacon on the outside so the people can find their way out.
I agree with Rich Griffin 100%. Vote outside of the Duopoly if you believe in real democracy. Americans must stop their quadrennial support of corporate candidates once and for all!
Jim Glover, I am in no way endorsing Ralph Nader for president. My initial comments were about the likelihood of an attack on Iran this fall. I only mentioned Nader to defend him from an earlier comment. Why is it when "progressives" hear anyone endorse or defend Ralph Nader they seem to get their panties all in a twist? The man has done more good in his life than most of us put together so just leave him alone already. I did not want this to be a discussion about who we should all vote for this year. We need to deal with the fact that we are going to attack Iran and how we are going to deal with it.
Cheney's always felt free to threaten Iran. He wants to take out North Korea too.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004369877_nkorea24.html
But no matter who is the Grand Poobah of this region or that forces, the US still lacks the ground troops to occupy Iran. Using General Shinseki's estimate for Iraq, multiply by 2 for Iran's larger population, plus some more because Iran is also larger then Iraq, and we end up something like 1.5+ million troops short. I know, I know, they'll just make it up with Blackwater contractors. Maybe Blackwater can subcontract with the North Koreans, they have excess military and a shortage of cash.
> I remember reading the report of an exercise that the US Navy
Guerilla groups had to schedule their 'surprise' attacks so as to not inconvenience logistics.
Apparently Iraq didn't get that memo.
The Shi'ite majority in Iraq currently looks to Iran for direction and views Iran as its great friend and ally. Therefore, the fate of Iraq and Iran is now somewhat coupled. If we bomb Iran without legitimate provocation, the chance for any sort of political solution in Iraq that is brokered by us gets even closer to zero than it already is.
Since this is obvious, it follows that peace and security in Iraq is not an objective of the occupation. Were it important, the obvious move would be to stabilize Iraq first, then take out the infantile nuclear capabilities of Iran later. Even in the event Iran has weaponization ambitions, it is a fact there are many years off, 5 + at a minimum.
So, we have another tacit admission by Cheney that the occupation of Iraq has exactly zero to do with bringing any sort of stability to Iraq and setting up a functioning democracy.
Are there any members of the GOP that are capable of thinking these things through?
McCain's advisor/link to evangelical voter, John Hagee, says the US and Israel must attack Iran in order to make possible "God's plan for Israel and the West." Lieberman, Cheney, Bush, many members of Congress all buy into this bastardization of both Judaism and Christianity.
Petraeus has been Singing the Iran Song (bomb bomb bomb Iran) almost every day, ably handling a big part of the demonization phase of this exercise.
When ABC-TV asked Hillary Clinton the other morning what she would do if Iran attacked Israel with a nuclear bomb (ABC apparently buys into the propaganda also), she said she would "annihilate them." When Obama was asked the same question (on another network, I believe, and perhaps not with any reference to nuclear bombs), his answer was thoughtful and reasoned. He said he would "respond," but not before determining what kind of response was appropriate.
Amidst the dreams of a painless vote for a hero who will save us, here are three posts that stand out:
elmysterio wrote:
Why does every thread about the crimes of Cheney et al always turn into a "I'm going to vote for XYZ" discussion? As if who you're going to vote for means ANYTHING. Don't you see what's happening here? The US has turned into the 21st century equivalent of Nazi Germany and we're all being Chamberlains.
jcrumb wrote (slightly edited):
YOU ARE PAYING CHENEY'S SALARY! THE BOMBS, THE ROCKETS, EVEN THE MERCENARY ARMIES OF "PRIVATE SECURITY" CONGLOMERATES - YOU ARE PAYING FOR THAT. WHY? FEAR MOSTLY THE REASON. BUT THAT IS ONLY YOUR RATIONALE. "IF I DON'T PAY THEY'LL TAKE MY STUFF."
SO YOU DON'T ACTUALLY MAKE ANY KIND OF SACRIFICE. IF YOU JOIN US IN TAX STRIKE, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO? ROUND UP 10 MILLION AMERICANS FOR SPEAKING WITH THEIR POCKET BOOKS? YOU RATIONALIZE AWAY YOUR ONE ACTUAL POWER FOR TRUE CHANGE - THE POWER OF THE PURSE.
ALLOW CHENEY TO PAY FOR ANOTHER ILLEGAL AND MOST LIKELY END OF TIMES WAR WITH IRAN - PAY FOR THE TORTURE, THE MURDER, PAY FOR IT ALL - IGNORE THE TRUTH... PRETEND THAT YOU ARE NOT ACTUALLY RESPONSIBLE.
LIVE FREE OR DIE - I GUESS YOU HAVE CHOSEN DEATH.
And peaceveteran wrote:
Better yet, why not just BLOG about it until the problem goes away….
Get out in the streets or the world will pay!!!!
Take down Cheney NOW!
And webwalk says:
Amidst all the blather about who to vote for, these three quotes are the threads of political sanity here. If we do not sacrifice, and resist, and organize, and stop these war criminals, at great personal risk and with no guarantee of success, then they will not stop. Who here is actually making the argument that the electoral process, political parties, and political candidates in the USA are a viable means to stop this death march?
in response...to the previous post...those in the know...know what is already planned....those who aren't in the know will find out soon enough. The History books will be written for your children and grandchildren. Now someone, reply...I hope we're all "living" wrong!!!
This is all American bullshit ! USA is not in any position to attack anybody !
I predicted more than three years ago that the Bush (idiot) adminstration would start a war with Iran for Isreal and the oil. But Iran's military strength isn't like that of a weakened Irag army that didn't have any weapons to fight a war due to the fact of the sactions that were on them for more than a decade. And we still can't beat them. If Bush and Cheney start a war with Iran they should be hung for treason and stupidity. For the cowards that never fought a war and did everything they could to get out of the draft and the Vietnam war, they use our soldiers as pawns and don't give a rat's ass about them, it's easy for a jerk and coward such as Cheney to start a war. If he had to fight believe me, he would run away and go to canada to live rather than pick up a rifle and fight to defend democracy. He's making billions from the taxpayers of the U.S. with Halliburtan and all of its subsidaries and the oil wells and coal mines that he and old man Bush own that Cheney's greed and sickness show that he's a maniac. Where are the psychiatrists that need to lock him up in a nut house and get him away from normal people and the soldiers that are dying daily so he can steal billions of dollars from the taxpayers of our great nation. Or it used to be a great nation until Bush and his ignorant animals decimated the military and our economy. If the politicians or the military hierarchy are afraid to stand up to these demogogs and put them where they belong: six feet underground so us taxpayers can piss on their graves the people should stand up and take it upon themselves to get rid of the tyranny like George WAshington, Adams, Jefferson and the others that stood up to King George the III. When government overrides the taxpaying voters, that is tyranny and its time for the people to stand up and fight these lunitics. Of course that's just my opinion. I believe Bush and company have their tenacles so deep in the taxpayer's pockets and have brainwashed the majority, that its too late. People you better wake up and see what's happening before our country is completely torn apart. May God be with us, cause Bush and company sure aren't. Amen.
So, Kellog, Brown, and Root Inc, a subsidiary of Halliburton, was given a 385 million dollar contract to build "Detention Centers" throughout the United States in January 2006.
How many "Detention Centers" have been built so far??????
You don´t suppose that the "Power Elite" expects demonstrations!!! Without "Habeas Corpus" who is to say who gets "Detained"? And, who is on the 1 million person list of potential terrorists?
Hillary said, "I will obliterate Iran if they attack Israel!"
Gee, I have been reading a great book,"CIA, Joyas de la Familia" by Eric Frattini based on CIA documents released in 2007..........too bad the CIA went "Off Book" after The Church Committee discovered: the drugs, assassinations, tortures, murders, forced suicides.......We will never know the CIA´s connection to Al Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein. They learned to destroy all evidence and we have had totally "Impotent" Congresses......
Human Rights and Democracy have no place in a Neo-Conservative´s Ideology, "The End Justifies The Means" and the Conservative Republicans and Democrats have gone along with "The Plan". World Trade Center #7 was a demolition with explosives and that means the rest of the activities of 9/11 had to have been an "Inside Job"...........
Iran will be attacked and the U.S. Congress will do nothing to protect the People of Iran....If 130 Mossad Agents were in the United States prior to 9/11, why can´t they execute a "False Flag" Attack against a U.S. Ship and blame Iran????
I say Bush and Cheney are crazy enough to push the button.
And that is why Congress won't tempt or force them into doing that by Impeachment..... Congress can make speeches and push some paper around but not only do the Vampires have all the weapons, they don't give a shit what the people want with "God" (Satan) on their side.
The Congress will impeach for blow jobs if your a Dem getting blown, but for the heavy stuff, they are too afraid and in this case it may be a rational fear even though they deserve to be hung.
Now if they bomb up and running nuke plants in Iran, not only will they lose the war, but if any of that fallout hits Pakistan, India, China or Russia, they may send some fallout in ours and Israel's direction even before we get a chance to hit the streets and get mowed down.
I still think they are bluffing.... what other options do war criminals have?
We'll see... I hope
No doubt that the theft of two elections and the absence of any impeachment hearings for obvious crimes has enabled Bush/Cheney to govern with absolute power. I would not be surprised if America did attack Iran and declare martial law to stop the blowback. Their political opponents who have been identified domestically through illegal political wiretaps would be rounded up and placed in the camps being built by KBR and guarded by Black Water. Another phony election will be held placing John McCain as President and the beat goes on.
I wonder if Dick realizes that if he attacks Iran, Lynne, Elizabeth and Mary will all be killed ? His health is down the crapper, but to sentence his entire family and grandchildren to a death sentence, what a bastard...
Maybe he thinks the money he has grabbed over the decades will protect them. 24/7 for 8 years - that's a lot of expensive 'protection'. Or maybe he still thinks War Criminals are untouchable. I guess if he keeps them all inside some 'undisclosed bunker' for 8 years, they might survive... But that will just make the Bush family more of a target. Again, what a bastard.
Of course, I wouldn't want to be within 100 feet of Karl Rove over the next 8 years, no matter *what* Dick does to Iran...
I'm just saying, this 'response' is probably on the table... I heard Iran has been infiltrating 10's of thousands of agents posing as Mexicans for 20 years. Turns out they were a tad pissed over the whole 26-years of-a-murderous-Shah thing. Also, getting Iraq to attack, causing 1 million casualties - also not appreciated... "Si, gracias" - that guy selling you a taco might be a trained munitions expert. "Que?" - the unsmiling dude trimming the tree might be a world class sniper. At least they work hard for low pay, until activated.
That table is getting mighty crowded.
1. GWB is a religious fanatic who said that God told him to annihilate all islamic radicals off the face of the earth.
2. Ask any reservist coming home; the bombings runs have already been locked and loaded (programmed in); they're just awaiting the orders from the Commander in Chief (whoever the hell that may be).
3. It's been leaked all over the internet that the strikes will be nuclear. Iran may spin up their centrifuges to their hearts content; albeit, every ant hill to the surface will be completed contaminated from the fallout.
Reference former article at:
http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0120-22.htm
4. The troops are "occupying" a country not to fight a GWOT=global war on terror. They will be in position and used for the final prize - Syria and Iran.
Just follow the rhetoric on the media - a psych 101 degree isn't required to figure out what game is playing out. I think as kids we called it Chutes and Ladders:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chutes_and_Ladders
Read the part about rolling 'three sixes.'
Where is he going to get the troops? We either have the draft or outsource our military.
henryd,
You first say:
"Stop it already with the Nader bashing, it's old and tired and just proves that you can't wrap your pea brain around anything. Stop throwing all your eggs in the Democratic Party's basket and vote for people who are serious about ending war and not just paying lip service to it."
So here you are telling us that a vote for Nader will end the war if we get serious.
Now after a few skeptical comments on that from make it stop you ask: "How can anyone know what Nader or Mckinney stand for if they are completely shut out of ANY discussion. Just think about all the people who don't vote. Don't you think if other voices are heard it might mobilize them to go to the polls. If that happened maybe they wouldn't be mathematically eliminated."
It might mobilize some Nader supporters yes and since in every election he gets a fraction of the votes he got previously, He well need them badly but that won't End the war like you suggest. If the public can't hear them how can they end the war. We have a 2-party system so if you can't change the system (much more difficult than even winning an election) before the election how is a majority gonna vote for Nader?
One of Nader's problem is Nader is aloof to his audience and has posted articles here on CD but has never responded to any questions ...not my idea of a leader.
At least Gawar is honest about his wasted vote, He wants to Help McCain win to teach all of us "Pea Brains" a lesson.
Yeah Gawar, maybe we can end the war after McCain Dies. Great Plan!
I want to thank you both for clearing this all up for us.
Now vote for whoever you want because we now know where your at and that's why I don't care who you vote for.
Better yet, why not just BLOG about it until the problem goes away....
Get out in the streets or the world will pay!!!!
Take down Cheney NOW!
Pace Veterane
Isn't it becoming perfectly obvious that all of this is leading to an American attack against Iran as we get closer to the upcoming elections?
That will give GWB the reason he has hinted at to declare martial law and cancel the elections - indefinitely. And it that seems Mr. Cheney is now paving the way.
King Bush will reign indefinitely!!!!! The detention camps that have been constructed throughout the United States will become filled with anyone who dares to speak against the new "United Regime of America." God help us!!!
Bush co-opted Petraeus's tactics in the face the complete failure of his own "plan". How far Petraeus will go to please the Bush administration's ambitions are mitigated by the fact that he will want to keep this job with the next president. Alternative Radio did a show recently on US, Israel , Iran relationship and secret meetings between them. Also referenced was the present US policy concerning villainizing Iran as a way to influence Israeli elections towards the right. This policy was welcomed by the Iranian hardliners who were losing influence to moderates and the possibility of being pushed out an of a middle east peace accord and marginalized in middle east politics. We haven't heard much from Cheney lately, his blunders are more in the public eye.
AND YOU ARE PAYING HIS SALLERY!..YOU ARE PAYING CHENEY'S SALLERY..NOT THAT HE NEEDS IT..BUT HE GET'S SOME OF YOUR MONEY..AND THE BOMBS, THE ROCKETS...EVEN YES EVEN THE MERCENARY ARMIES OF "PRIVATE SECURITY" CONGLOMERATES...YEP...YOU ARE PAYING FOR THAT TOO...ALL OF IT..WHY?
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?
FEAR MOSTLY THE REASON..MOSTLY!
BUT THAT IS ONLY YOUR RATIONAL.."IF I DON'T PAY..THEY'LL TAKE MY STUFF.."
OHHH...SO YOU DONT WANNA ACTUALLY MAKE ANY KIND OF...POTENTIAL..SACRIFICE..CAUSE THAT IS ALL IT IS...AND IF YOU JOIN US IN TAX STRIKE..WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO? ROUND UP 10 MILLION AMERIACANS FOR SPEAKING WITH THEIR POCKET BOOKS? NOPE! AND THAT TOO WOULD BE, IN REALITY, A FORM OF "NON-VIOLENT PROTEST" IN THE GRANDEST AMERICAN TRADITION...BUT NOPE! YOU RATIONALIZE AWAY EVEN YOUR ONE ACTUAL POWER FOR TRUE CHANGE..THE POWER OF THE PURSE..
SO, GO AHEAD, BAIL OUT THE TELECOMS FOR SPYING ON YOUR EMAIL, ALLOW CHENEY TO PAY FOR ANOTHER ILLEGAL AND MOST LIKELY...END OF TIMES..WAR WITH IRAN...PAY FORTHE TORTURE..THE MURDER...YEAH..PAY FOR IT ALL...IGNORE THE TRUTH..PRETEND THAT YOU ARE NOT ACTUALLY RESPONSABLE..THAT WILL MAKE IT GO AWAY..YEAH RIGHT...
LIVE FREE OR DIE...I GUESS YOU HAVE CHOSEN DEATH..LOT'S O LUCK WITH THAT...
I too will vote for a third-party, losing candidate who represents my loser's shabby values like life, peace etc etc. Call me a spoiler - if only it were true I could blackmail the Dem Party: "Either change your warmongering platform or I will select McCain."
But of course the Dem Party doesn't care, or maybe it's just not quite convinced that I really am a spoiler, that, in fact, the Dems believe they can win without my vote.
So it's up to us, more and more of us, to vote third-party until enough of us voting third party convince, finally, the Dems that we indeed are spoilers. That, really, should be our goal, and it is certainly my purpose in voting third-party: I want to spoil the election, I want to throw it to McCain, and I want the Dems to know it was my vote that did it.
Lots of people write paragraphs here revealing their great plans to overcome the totalitarians; but all those plans start out, " If everybody will...."
The trouble, of course, is that Everybody is never going to do Anything.
My plan is different. It only takes five percent of us to spoil the election. Not everybody, just you and me out of a crowd of forty.
In four more years, four more years of Bushism, maybe then they'll get the message.
henryd, please know I mean no animosity at all. I understood your point about bush coming in 2nd and was using your words literally to make a larger point. I have no vitriol for Nader, but I understand those who do. I think he has done great things in the world of consumer advocacy, but I would have a lot more respect for him if he ran for office on his own merits, and put the time and effort into an actual campaign rather than a "none of the above" half-assed attempt to make a point in the 11th hour.
I agree whole heartedly that the current 2-party system is bunk. But now - in the 11th hour - is not the time to make any progress in that regard. That is a huge ship to steer, and money has already spoken. Our only hope for this minute is to get someone in office who isn't quite so indoctrinated by DC politics as usual. I personally believe that person right now is Obama. And I will participate in any grassroots movement for party system reinvention once we get Bushco, Inc and any relative politicos out of the White House.
Good thing "we" haven't let on that an ant-crushing obliteration of Iran is in the works. "We" wouldn't them preparing for it or anything, with their Navy and Air Force and missiles and rockets and whatever other toys they got stashed away for a bomb-raining day...
Only "leaders" who PLAN ON LOSING telegraph their plans to the "enemy" a year or so before launching yet another illegal, aggressive massacre...
Words for General Petraeus to ponder:
"Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan"
Jesus was offered all the kingdoms of the world and turned it down. This little turd, Petraeus, is selling his soul for a military pension.
How pathetic.
Devil1, I agree the freedom fighters in Iraq and Palestine will never lay down their arms, and if the little deserter moves against Iran he will have his chicken shit ass handed to him. The days of gun boat diplomacy are over, now every small country has the means to give every bully a fight to the bloody end.
What I meant by saying the person who comes in second place wins the election is that in 2000 Bush came in second place and won the election!!! Check the official vote count. Stop directing your vitriol at people like Nader and those who support him and take a long hard look at a system that allows a runner-up to win the election. And the precise reason we have this government is because there is too much money involved in the whole electoral process of which BOTH PARTIES ARE EQUALLY PART OF!! And that is exactly the way BOTH PARTIES want it to stay. Just check out the presidential debates. Any third party voices heard? Didn't think so. How can anyone know what Nader or Mckinney stand for if they are completely shut out of ANY discussion. Just think about all the people who don't vote. Don't you think if other voices are heard it might mobilize them to go to the polls. If that happened maybe they wouldn't be mathematically eliminated.
"And the pressure must be applied to Obama and Clinton. Do not vote for either of them if they will not stop supporting an attack on Iran as an option this nation can afford to consider."
Without trying to sound snarky...who do you suggest a vote for if they do hold the position of attacking Iran? McCain?
I believe that Clinton will keep this option on the table, however, I also believe that given Obama's position initially on the attack on Iraq, he would be the least likely of the two to initiate an attack on Iran.
Dick Cheney Murdered that Aptos lawyer that criticized him.
He shot-gunned his lawyer in the face.
Ugliness comes from within and his Satanic Countenance photographed above tells a trillion words.
Cheney Helped Orchestrate 9-11.
Cheney is Israel's Man. (Or, if not, then, What is a Neo-Con?)
9-11. Iraq. A gutted Constitution. World War Three. STOLEN ELECTIONS
So What? F*** America, Sincerely, Dick Cheney (Coward)
henryd: The biggest problem of the non-Republican population is that we are incapable of throwing all our eggs into any basket. This is precisely why we have this government.
I have wrapped my "pea brain" around the fact that there is no mathematical, theoretical, or theological indication that Nader or McKinney could win an election in November. That being said, throwing all our eggs into the Democratic Party basket at this point is all we have. You said it yourself, no person who comes in second place wins the election. SO rather than encourage votes for 2nd 3rd and 4th place, why not encourage solidarity in realistic terms?
The day the US declared war on Iran
By John McGlynn
March 20 is destined to be another day of infamy. On this date this year, the US officially declared war on Iran. But it's not going to be the kind of war many have been expecting.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JD01Ak01.html
Remember the term "October Surprise". Cheney has already told everyone in an ABC News interview that he does not give a shit what anyone thinks. Expect an attack on Iran about a month before the election. As for impeachment. Do you really think anyone is going to try to start proceedings this late in their term? Get real. As for Nader. What last time are you refering to? 2000 or 2004? If you are talking about 2000, let me ask this, in what other country that holds elections does the person who comes in second place win the election? Stop it already with the Nader bashing, it's old and tired and just proves that you can't wrap your pea brain around anything. Stop throwing all your eggs in the Democratic Party's basket and vote for people who are serious about ending war and not just paying lip service to it.
General Betrayus and Dickhead are wrong about Iran, as "little ass kissing chicken shits" and draft dodging bullies usually are when they are losing a war, a recess fight, or an election. They are unable to win Bush's War against the citizens of Iraq so they have to find someone else to blame for their failure. Shazzam, enter Iran. Blame Iran since obviously blaming "Al Quaeda in Iraq" didn't work because Sunni tribal leaders shut them down before the infamous "surge". Blame Iran since we can't alienate Turkey because we need them for air bases and they help keep the Kurds from really going after an independent state that would encompass parts of Turkey, Iran, Syria, and Iraq at a minimum. Blame Iran since obviously some shabby shady young mullah named Sadr couldn't possible be strong enough to defeat the Iraqi Army, the remaining few Brits, and the US military in Basra all by himself. Has anyone in the administration or the US Military really sat down and seriously contemplated what it would be like to have to fight a real battle with the Madi Army and the other 3 million Shites who live in the alleys and garbage filled streets of Sadr City? That is the military's worst nightmare and it is where Dickhead and Betrayus are currently warming up for their bombing devastation of Iran. October surprise, you bet. Declare martial law and cancel the election? Now there is an interesting question we need to be debating.
Is anyone surprised? Be prepared, it's gonna get very nasty.