Obama is the best speaker and orator I have ever seen or heard. He could out debate Abraham Lincolln, JFK and Ed McMann He also has voted 99% with Joe Liberman and portrays a different picture of himself when offering his speeches. He's not presidential in my eyes and in my opinion, which is a good as anyone elses here. We ALL have our opinions don't we.

sjc_1:

After reading your screwball comment, I've concluded that you're a certifiable nut case!

You tell them Hillary. Remember Iran is the group of radicals that took our embassy people hostage for more than a year. These people are true certifiable nut cases and should never be trusted anywhere, any time with any thing.

" But I don't believe he is presidential" --

Not presidential? How can anyone who has listened to the powerful speech he gave on race in America think for a moment that this man is not "presidential" -- unless by "presidential" one means "lying weasel," which has been the case for all but perhaps one of the presidents during my lifetime?

I was being sarcastic about Putin being scared of Bush, sorry you missed the sarcaism.

Hi ~JIM Glover~. It was not the Weathermen who bombed the WTC, underground faction of the Weathermen were in close contact with that terror group prior to 2003. Check it out. The story was on CNN and I think it's a Riverboat smear story.

Hillary did not say that at all, the entire conversation printed here is taken totally out of context. Read the transcript. Also read the article posted today on the identical subject, ~BobK~ posted the entire conversation word for word.

BTW, I do not dislike Obama, not at all. But I don't believe he is presidential and do believe McCain will beat him if he's the nominee.

Hm. Hilary says "Farrakhan" in the ABC slimefest before the primary, and promises to incinerate Iranian families because, you know, Israel is a wonderful peaceable state that only murders children when it really needs to.

And the Hilary supporters, not even away that there's any need to defend her statements, look on her with adulatoin untrammeled by any facts. Like the Bushies, they intend to "create [their] own reality", and, like Madeleine Albright, enthusiastically endorse megadeath in service of the "security" of Israel.

bbr-001 -- Are you at all watching Obama attempt to back pedal on his statements that were initially pro-justice in ISRAEL ?

Are you aware of how many pro-Palestinian (even leaning that way) politicians are politically GANG RAPED by ZIONIST lobbyists, and retire from politics ?

Those same lobbyists contort themselves to AS IF be representing American Jewish INTERESTS, when consistently the results are ALWAYS (completely foreign to their registration papers) pro-ZIONIST. If you don't feel represented by them removing political opposition by financing opponents, then what have you done about it ?

Do you know the difference between anti_ZIONIST and anti-Semitic ?

Your perceptual bubble is either collapsing or has run out of AIR

If I were in charge of Iran, I'd be developing nuclear weapons to protect my oil and gas.

In clockwise direction, Iran is surrounded by Russia, Chine, Pakistan, India and Israel. All five have nuclear weapons. The US, UK and France have nuclear-powered submarines lurking in the Indian Ocean, if not a lot closer. All carry nuclear weapons. Furthermore, the US and UK have bombers with nuclear weapons based on Diego Garcia.

Of the eight countries with nuclear weapons circling Iran, only Russia has enough oil and gas for internal use and export. Israel (a county that has reasons of its own to bomb Iran to smithereens) will be supplied with oil by the US, regardless. That leaves six ruthless predators ready to strike Iran on behalf of their oil and gas companies if only an excuse can be found.

Remember Mohammad Mosaddeq, 1953?

fakedemocracy: I watched the video of the Georgian UAV shootdown. I can't tell whether the launch plane is a MIG-29 or an SU-27, however what is interesting is that the plane makes a wide sweep in front of the UAV and fires at it head on with an incoming missile trail that is unmistakable so that there can be no doubt about what happened. The UAV camera pans over itself so that again there is positive identification of the UAV seconds before all this happens. It all looks too perfect and too staged to me but I am unsure who is doing the staging. Assuming this was in Georgian airspace -presumably that water is the Black Sea- and Russia wanted just to shoot the drone down they could have done it from tens of miles away and from behind, but no, they make a wide frontal sweep and head on attack so they can be positively identified. It looks very deliberate, so is this a set up or was it Russia sending a deliberate message? Comments anyone?

Jim Glover: You hit a home run with bases loaded, won the World Series and the Super Bowl (I actually don't follow sports and don't know a baseball player from a football player) with your commentary. God Bless You, Brother! (And I don't believe in organized or "un-organized (like me) religion either) but use those words as the highest compliment I give to somebody.

How many folks know about the Khazars? Or Khazaria? (a different topic) It's all about the two "mortal sins" man has been afflicted with since the beginning of humanity. MONEY (or possessions) and Power. No racial, ethnic, religious, philosophical, group, or any type of "ism" is free until these two items can be conquered from WITHIN one's self.

Does anybody believe in the 'GOLDEN RULE' anymore?

A little footnote Jimmy and I'll have to leave for awhile. One of the greatest American journalists of the 20th Century was George Seldes. I've mentioned him on CD numerous times and will continue to do so. I have taken the title of his 1968 book, 'Never Tire of Protesting' and made it my life-long motto. (are mottos archaic?)

May Peace, Harmony, Wisdom, and UNDERSTANDING permeate everyone on this planet. Turn the swords into plowshares and share the wealth with the workers who produced it. If I remember my Fourth Grade teacher telling us about the Egyptian Pharohs burying their wealth with them. You go, it stays. Something like that.

One more thing, Jimbo. Go to www.simplicityliving.com and scroll around until you find Jim Merkel (they're all A+ people) but look for his documentary. You will be delighted as well as your friend from Sarasota.

Lee D,
You are correct that Arabs are real Semites more than most Israelis and most Jews in the world like myself are European in origin. The claim to be Semites and call the Arabs anti Semitic is the twisting of history and another reason for the Arabs to hate us. Now to call us who oppose Israel or Zionist policy is anti Judaism is another lie.... My mother and her family are all Jewish and how could I hate them in fact they all thought the Zionists were crazy and giving the world more reason to hate Jews. The Orthodox Jews in NYC welcomed the president of Iran and Jews live in peace in Iran and even Iraq before we invaded and so did Christians before we invaded.

Right after the UN gave Israel its Independence, 800 thousand Palestinians were violently driven out by the Israeli forces. Ben Gurion said if he was an Arab he would be a militant too.

This whole stupid fight did originate as a story in the Bible were Abraham's first son, Ishmael (beginning of Bible Moslem genealogy) of his slave wife was cast out for Isaac his second son.

Now even with this old family feud the Jews and Arabs lived in Peace for most of the time until the British took over the Middle east and divided up the region for its Imperial exploitation.

I found a time line and how the British put in the first radical anti jewish leader who did help the Nazis and other interesting stuff at http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/2543

Now isn't it ironic that Bush's grandfather Prescott and many Wasps and Jewish bankers also funded Hitler's war Machine... so I would not blame Hitler on the Arabs.

In any case, this is history and we must move forward and get beyond these old hatreds.

Iran does not want to attack any of its neighbors and does not want nuclear weapons.

The Arabs want to be treated with respect and now Hamas wants to live in Peace with Israel.

What they don't want is to recognize the right of Israel to exist as they are now existing...stealing Arab lands and expanding settlements.

In the Bible God destroyed Israel once and may do it again if they don't start talking peace and If Hillary wants to threaten Nuclear War about some made up lie about Iran, she may be leading the world to MAD, since Russia and China are friends of Iran just as the USA is friends of Israel.

I myself would like to be friends of Israel but as an American Jew who has suffered from hatred of the Jews (not anti semitism which is more correctly Israel's policy against Arabs) I say Israel has lost it's right to exist as it now exists but I hope that they talk Peace with all Palestine soon and make a comprehensive deal before this old family feud ends the life of all People on our beautiful little Planet.

I would be surprised if Hillary is not the Democrats Presidential candidate as I think she is "ordained" to be. This is a tug of money versus political influence and I mean a lot of influence. We here on CD see things through leftie-colored glasses so we look for every clue that points to an Obama win but the other 95% of the population reads and watches MSM and then there are the super-delegates-I predict Hillary. Have you noticed that after Hill's win in Penn all the media outlets are resurrecting Hill?

Unreal. The Dem sounds just like a Republinazi.

Unt vee vill obliterate zem!

Why not just elect Scwartzenegger so the accent can match the policies.....

OK OK Kem Patrick - she used the passive voice which technically disguises who would do the obliterating. But since so many of us interpreted it to mean that she would do the obliterating, I think that is the effect the message was meant to have.

Kem, This article is correct, since she said "I would attack Iran" and then "we would be able to Obliterate them".. well she is threatening to obliterate Iran and anyone can see that and that is her intension to act the Mad Military threat. Now the source was not only France but ABC.

I think your dislike of Obama is making you twist facts.

Earlier here you said the Weathermen bombed the WTC. If you were serious, got any sources for that whooper?

Gen. David Petraus has just been nominated by Bush to be the head of CENTCOM, and responsible entirely for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He still has to be confirmed, but that is pretty much a rubber stamp at this point.

And which country lies right in the middle of Iraq and Afghanistan?

Anyone?

Perhaps Hillary will be able to swing her testosterone bat sooner than she thinks...

First of all, Iran would not attack Israel. Secondly, Iran has not attacked any country in more than 250 years. Let's get real here! Hypothetical BS doesn't help. Let's stop all this war hype about invasion or attacks by other countries (in this case, Iran). No, Iran should not acquire nuclear weapons -- they currently do not have any. But the U.S. is the invader/attacker here, and has decades of blood on its hands from the killing or supporting of killing of innocent civilians throughout Central and South American, Indonesia, etc., in support of dictators/corporatocracy, and more. Iran has to be contended with, but they have not threatened to invade or bomb anyone! Not so the U.S.!!! And that's not hypothetical.

Clinton is sounding more like a repugnantcan everyday. Then again, if Iran launched any kind of attack against our israeli friends (nuke, traditional bomb, or even too many bad words), no matter who was prez, the good 'ole usa would come to the rescue of israel and hagee would be happy.

It's CommonDreams that's become regressive -- at least on the 2008 presidential contest. They chose the AFP report (which unlike others, did not report her full statement), added a sensationalist headline and used an unrelated (but unflattering) photo, and thereby misled their readers. Even the U.S. corporate media didn't run with this tabloid hype.

MAD (mutually assured destruction) has been U.S. policy for decades. It is a policy that has successfully deterred the use of nuclear weapons for decades. Nothing new in what Hillary said! Get over it.

All this stuff from supposed intelligent adults almost makes me weep. I've lived in mamy countries but none as childish as this USA. Why does a woman who is running for president fall for a trick question like that and the questionaire was probably a stooge to convince the sheeple she's tough.

Being tough is not about throwing your weight around like some schoolboy bully it's about doing the hard bit like diplomacy, like realising nobody has all the answers and others are right and have rights too.

In the very near future the USA will lose its' power and be subject to terror from abroad just as the world is subject to the USA's terror now let's hope there's a lot more tolerance from the new big lad on the block.

n the six decades since the United Nations partitioned the British Mandate called "Palestine", the Israeli establshed a democratic government and became economically sound. During that same period of six decades, the Arab League convinced many of the Arab residents of the former Palkestine to flee that portion created as Israel with the promise that they will return and drive the Jews into the sea, This resulted in six decades of refugees for those who fled. Those who remained became Israeli citizens - some of wom serve in the Israeli parliament - the Knesset. Those who fled suffered poverty and a life of refugee camps. There is not one Arab country in the Middle East that permits Jews citizenship and few, if any, permit Jews to reside in the country.

From many of the comments above, we can se that anti-Judaism still reigns; some refuse to call it anti-Semitism, because that would include Arabs. But they support the Arab League, which supported the "final solution" of Adolf Hitler, and they are therefore supporters of the doctrines of Hitler and the Third Reich.

Until the day we, and each of us, can celebrate the differences among people, instead of trying to destroy them, this is a world dedicated to the
principles, not of a "God", but of the vilest evils. One cannot say they believe in God and seek to destroy that who they believe God created. Bigots is mut a mild term to describe them. They are evil, irreligious and a disgrace to humanity.

Judging from most of the posts in this discussion, it appears the progressives have just changed into the regressives. Is this some of the change Obama is calling for?

Statements like this on are not helping her image in the slightest! She is making herself look more like a Republican hawk than a Democrat dove. It might play well to the 'fringe lunatics' in the country but it doesn't the rest of us who are growing war weary! And just wished this 'war lunacy' would go away so we could get back to normal.

So if France or England attacked Israel, would Hilary nuke them as well? Oh wait... that's a hypothetical scenario unlike the non-nuclear Iran case.

Clinton really duped Pennsylvania. She used fear tactics. How dare she threaten the innocent men, women, and children in Iran!
How absolutely dare she? She's a much bigger war-monger than McCsame ever could be. America needs to do itself a real favor-and not send Hillary the Hawk back to the White House.

"...I wish someone would obliterate the Clinton wing of the democratic party and we progressives could get on with business, that is the immense clean up job ahead of us."

Should Clinton somehow snatch the nomination and then lose against McCain, do you really believe, that even then, the Clintons would go? No, the greater threat is a new Democratic administration that would mark the end of the rule of their court. That is what they oppose the most and they are willing to assist the Right to prevent it.

Her standing in the polls should improve. Americans LOVE mass killing, especially if all they have to do is drop bombs from miles and miles away, without actually having to fight anyone like real men. That would would take courage.

The US and Israel are the greatest terrorist forces in human history.

Rough numbers have Clinton winning Bucks County, PA by 24 points. Bucks is one of the upscale prestigeous counties surrounding Philadelphia that Obama was expected to do well in. It also has a growing Jewish population moving into upscale Toll Bros McMansion tracts blighting the previously pastoral farmland. We are told repeatedly that most Jews are antiwar and opposed the invasion of Iraq and the sabre-rattling of Iran, but appealing to the most Zionist agenda wins the Jewish vote. Congressman Murphy, essentially a navive and perennially boyish figure--an ineffective Democrat who couldn't deliver for Obama (and that was the campaign's mistake--entrusting Murphy)bows at the Zionist throne as well. He knows where his bread is buttered.
It is strange irony that the Obama supporters in the lower county are the elitists who hate the working class who backed Clinton and are often openly racist. It is a convoluted mess, but what emerges is the issue of class. At some point Obama needs to go there in a big way--or have a strong figure in his campaign who is a class populists. It is too bad that Edwards talked the talk, but when it came down to when it mattered, he couldn't walk the walk--for the good of the people he claimed to worry so much about. Thumbs down.

We get the kind of government that we deserve, and that is most unfortunate. With a few sparkling exceptions many of the posts above are hardly above the intellectual level of a moss covered rock.

Anyone with a brain understands the nature of Senator Clinton's remarks and the varied reasons for them. But many of Senator Obama's supporters have, apparently, checked their brains at the door, a most sad situaton.

I have no intention of voting for either candidate, as neither represents my views for this nations course. But my lack of support for them does not entail insulting either like a high school sophomore! The Clinton campaign has seen some rather unfortunate remarks issue from it, but , on the whole, many Obama supporters are the worst, the very worst Ive seen in four decades of political awarenmess....

Billary knows no depths to which she will not sink - sound like anyone else (who might now be in office). Shame on her. Even though she has an IQ above 30, she still stoops this low!

Canuckchuck - it just shows how shallow the general populace is, and I include the UK in that statement. We have been dumbed down so much, that soundbites and testosterone fuelled egos, are valued more than intelligent comment and diplomacy.

I cant beleive that so many otherwise intelligent women are going to vote for this dingbat simply because she has her own vagina...

Good news for Hillary then...The NIE says that the Iranians cannot possibly have nuclear weapons in the next 10 years...even if they wanted them, or were trying to develop them, which all evidence says they are NOT.

This bi-otch is dangerous crazy...

I LOVE IT WHEN HILLARY MEASURES HER DICK IN PUBLIC

NateW. YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING!

The (American Politicians) and their proxies have utterly failed to provide full employment to their exploding population (gotta love those (Christian) anti-abortion & birth control policies), corruption is endemic (good luck getting anything accomplished unless you "know" someone & pay them off), and they treat the 12% of the population that is not (White) quite badly.

Cromerovich: What if Putin told Bush or whoever succeeds him, that if the US attacked Iran, Israel would be leveled to the ground and if the US launched against Russia, they would counter against us with all their might, and would launch hydrogen bombs on Wash. D.C., Wall Street, and the Hollywood/Beverly Hills area, for starters. Without the slightest doubt, the acronym MAD would surely manifest and Planet Earth would go into a long rest after most lifeforms have perished.

Can you see those telephone calls? Just a thought. Hope it doesn't happen. Scares the heck out of me.

Putin has said hands off Iran, or WWIII begins. The wars must be seen in the bigger context... it ain't about terrorist boogiemen folks. It's the same old same old Capitalism VS. Communism. The Cold War is not over. Aghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Latvia, Georgia... we are trying to surround Russia. Anyone see this video yesterday of a Russian Mig shooting down a Georgian UAV? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c4ZD2iQ1aI

Slightly unsettling when you consider only last week, Bush was trying to make Georgia a card carrying NATO allie. So what would a little incident like that instigate once all the 'allies' are suited up for armageddon and an excuse?

Are there enough Zionist-Fascists in Pensylvania for this tactic to even work? I wish someone would obliterate the Clinton wing of the democratic party and we progressives could get on with business, that is the immense clean up job ahead of us.
He Ping

Bearing in mind that Russia, China and India, are buying Iranian gas and oil, what does everyone think would happen, if Israel/US attacked Iran with nuclear weapons?
What would happen if the US used conventional weapons against Iran, and tried to take control of the oil?

Kem, I watched HC on British mainstream TV yesterday, and I was disgusted by the fact that she should even mention such a scenario. Once we go down the road of saying - if they do that, then we will respond thus - you have detached yourself from reality.
Listening to some of the Clinton supporters just reaffirmed what I think about most Americans. They want a "fighter" in the White House. It doesn't matter how you try to dress this quote up, it all boils down to the same thing, Hilary Clinton wants to be as tough as the male candidates. She is appealing to the lowest common denominator, who as Cromerovich has pointed out, want more of the same - an unthinking, violent, hate filled person,who will be ready to lash out with the military might of the USA.
I believe that Barak Obama is the only one capable of changing the current situation, regarding foreign policy and the power of the industrial.Israel lobbies.

No, KEM, the Russians are ramping up their nuke program again due to 'sabre rattling' by the chickenhawks. What is interesting is decades ago, while in one of his thousands of future revealing self-imposed recorded trances, Edgar Cayce's reading predicted an early 21st century war between Russia & Isreal. If, as many claim, Isreal is now the 51st state in the United States OF Isreal does this mean Cold War Part II, it never ended, or a soon 'hot' war between Russian backed nations surrounding Isreal & Isreali Zionists?

Regardless, decent people lose.

Kem Patrick, I think Putin might be scared but not for the obvious reasons; after all, how many moves would it take for Putin to checkmate Bush in a chess game? I think Putin might fear what loose cannons like Bush and his handlers could get up to in terms of unpredictable madness in the world. At least with any shenanigans precipitated by Putin he would be capable of thinking several moves ahead and keeping a lid on things.

Kick ass? And we have Bush for that picture. Putin must be scared shitless.

The trouble with you Americans is that generally speaking, -and I am not including many who post here - generally speaking you are a violent nation. Anyone who hopes to get elected must present a pugnacious, kick-ass persona or be ignored by the majority of the population. Your least warlike president in recent times was Jimmy Carter and look what level of disfavour and contempt he is held by the current administration and many American citizens. I am afraid there really is no hope for you, at least in the short term.

Wow, dodging sniper bullets, obliterating Iran's zero nuclear weapons, WMD's, they hate us for our freedom, bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb iran, everybodies a terrorist.

Sounds like we got 3 choices of the same shtick.

Clington, MC CAIN, and Obama drama... all 3 are just gonna be a spokeperson for military industrial complexities. Obama's such a dark horse candidate coming outta no where with no voting record... I don't trust him no matter how 'likeable' the media paints him to be. For that matter I don't trust Ron Paul either or the libertarian politicos who are policy wise more in line with the Bush administration then any real progressive candidate. Funny how all the progressives got edited right off the evening news. Goodbye great country!!

Read ~Little Brother~ post April 22 2:18pm.

Of course she would, just like the Bilderburgers, Council on Foreign Relations, Carlyle Group, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Haliburton, GM, ABC, Fox, GE, Raytheon, Exxon/ MobilNuclear Power Industry, Big Pharma, Big Agri, Big Oil, Kissengers depopulation theory advocates, AIPAC, PNAC, neo-CONS, and radical right wing Christian/Muslim/Jewish/ Buddahist fundamentalists, who wish to divide & conquer, then fund both sides in the enevitable conflict.

She's really no different than all these corporate/government fascist stooges. There is Bush, Bush lite (McCain), then Bush lite lite (Clinton). Then there is the third worst choice according to people who prefer Kucinich, Edwards, Nader, even Gravel for honesty, even Ron Paul for several of his planks, especially replacing the Federal Reserve with a 'people's' money (with no interest), or even starting an alternate system with a re-written, parts put back in place, U.S. Constitution; how about them apples, folks? How about a triumverate, and the ones just mentioned wouldn't even fight about who would be the top three dogs as long as their voices were heard and given consideration as equals rather than subordinates? There is a better way to run this show, and WE CAN DO IT!

Honest elections

Where did you get a transript that said that ~SUHAIL~? Did you watch the interview on CBS? This article from a French news source is a lie. You don't have any credible transcript because she never said what this article states.

Clinton further displayed tough talk in an interview airing on "Good Morning America" Tuesday. ABC News' Chris Cuomo asked Clinton what she would do if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons.

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran," Clinton said. "In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Vote2008/story?id=4698059&page=1

-- Kent Shaw

Jack37: In good conscience, I cannot vote for either Obama or Clinton, but prefer Obama over the other. The corporate media was probably instructed from day one to capitalize on the above two candidates, with very little or almost non-existent coverage of the other former Democratic Party hopefuls. (Kucinich, Edwards, Dodd, Richardson, Biden-did I leave anyone out?). This can be construed as a form of propaganda the American people can be counted on in believing. It works! Election year after election year. I listened to the ABC "debate?" last week, and each candidate is a die-hard supporter of Israel and understand the consequences if they don't emphasize zealous support for the Zionist regime.

If the voters prefer McCain with perpetual war and the implosion of the infrastructure, so be it. We won't be the first civilization to perish. If 8 years of this administration hasn't taught them anything, nothing we say will make much difference.

My days are over for voting for the lessor of the two evils. (and they aren't even evil) I rather cast my longshot vote for the better of the best. If enough citizens upset with the status quo reject the major party candidates and joined the Green Party and voted for its candidate, we might see some positive change in government. Day after day, article after article, the majority of us basically repeat the same message, but with slight variations. Has it really gotten better since the Dems "took control" in 06? When they did control both the House and the Senate for 40 years, did any of the so-called "friends of labor" brought up the subject of repealing the anti-worker 'Taft-Hartley Act'? And if so, how strong was the commitment?

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran," Senator Clinton told ABC News.

'nuff said.

I stand by my views and make no apologies at all.

Perhaps Kem Patrick you should read the transcript of Hillary Clinton's statement. She said that if Iran attacked Israel she would obliterate the country. Deplorable statements, and they make absolutely no sense given that the US intelligence's own acknowledgement that Iran has probably given up its nuclear weapon program.

So, the first problem is Clinton's rhetoric, the second being her lack of factuality. So I am entitled to say that my opinion of the woman has now dropped to abysmal lows, even if I acknowledge that I once respected her.

Hi KERMEL how ya doin Buddy? Yep, you're right, here comes a couple a more dingbats.

Hey___~SUHAIL~ ___ If you can find your way out the fog you're obviously in and return here. Before you post another stupid comment, and let everyone know you're ignorant about this issue, scroll back a ways and you'll find that Hillary never said she'd 'obliterate' Iran. That suggestion is for you also ___~JOHNLOKI~___and ~JCLIENTELLE~ and quite a few others. SHE DID NOT SAY THAT!!!!!!!!!!

She said IF. ___ "IF, Iran SHOULD ever nuke Israel, Iran COULD BE OBLITERATED"!!! She is correct, Iran would surely be, ___ because Isreal would do it in retaliation and no one could stop them. ___ No one.

Does anyone understand that she didn't ever say SHE WOULD OBLITERATE IRAN????? She didn't say it, so stop blasting her for somethng that never happened. Blast her for something she did do that you and I at least disappreve of, like her voting yes on cluster bombs or some other stupid votes she made.

She's still a better choice than Obama in my opinion and if any like Obama better that's fine with me, it's your opinion and there is nothing wrong with that.

Kem Patrick___ Good job trying to introduce a little common sense into these fanatical Obamamaniacs. It is a losing battle, as many posters here seem to think using foul expressions are the smart thing to do, and don`t worry about facts, just throw the biggest ball of mud. Fuuny so many CD posters complain about negative campaigning, it appears they love that type of discussion.

I am still trying to control my anger after the deplorable statements made by Hillary. To think I once actually respected this woman as a champion of the working classes and an advocate for women's issues and health care.

This vicious statement is not only shocking because it dehumanizes the entire Iranian people. It also shows that any difference between Hillary and Bush is really superficial because at the end of the day Hillary is as willing to ignore the US's own national intelligence which clearly makes the case Iran has given up its nuclear program as early as 2003.

Looks like "Mad George III" changed "his" make-up and voice. If this "person" wins the White House (with the oil slick) looks like he-she, will be in a third term!! SOMEONE OUT THERE PLEASE TELL ME I've had too much hot chocholate and having the Mother of Night Mares!

Just a small point: Arabs are semitic too.

So the correct term when pointing out the fascistic policies of Israel has to be 'Zionist'. These people are religious fanatics.

No candidate should be talking about whom they will bomb if elected president. That would be illegal and immoral.

Have we all quietly slipped into accepting the idea that the executive has the right to declare war? We must loudly reject the idea that the President can decide unilaterally to bomb someone without the formal declaration by Congress in each case.

Clinton is pandering more to the fantasies and fears of blind nationalistic Israel supporters living in comfort here than to Israelis, who know the trading of nukes in the Mideast would be a horrible disaster and Israel, being small, would be badly ruined. Israel has been living near Pakistan, which actually has the bomb and while anxious, Israel is not hysterical.

Israel has nuclear weapons. Iran has no nuclear weapons. Iran has a beautiful country, their own internal issues and has no particular reason to attack Israel. Iran is just the latest bete noir for people who probably could not find it on a map.

Why do some of our "leaders" always feel that they have to be macho and appeal to the worst instincts is us? And why do we like little lost lambs seem to follow the lame brain ideas of those of our "leaders" who have axes to grind, without demanding that we have leadership that looks for ways to settle differences by peaceful means, and that substitute meaningful dialogue instead of bluster and sabre rattling. It's about time we reject the facistic direction in which we're being lead, not only by the Bushites and the neo-cons, but also by the corporatizers and disaster capitalists and the disciples of the Chicago University Graduate School of Economic progeny?

Why do some of our "leaders" always feel that they have to be macho and appeal to the worst instincts is us? And why do we like little lost lambs seem to follow the lame brain ideas of those of our "leaders" who have axes to grind, without demanding that we have leadership that looks for ways to settle differences by peaceful means, and that substitute meaningful dialogue instead of bluster and sabre rattling. It's about time we reject the facistic direction in which we're being lead, not only by the Bushites and the neo-cons, but also by the corporatizers and disaster capitalists and the disciples of the Chicago University Graduate School of Economic progeny?

The real question is what would Hillary ,Barak or McCain do if ISREAL attacked another unarmed country with nuclear weapons,which is the most likley scenario,as ISREAL has attacked all its neighbors as well as its own Pallistian citizens brutally,as well as the USS LIBERTY,I really believe that all three candidates are running for the presidency of ISREAL!!!!
ENOUGH ALLREADY!!!!!!!

I posted this caveat on a thread yesterday, and it seems to be coming true. Watch out for the Diebold voting machines. Already more than 100 complaints were filed about broken machines that caused two hour delays, and the wrong ballots were sent to people. I do not mean to sound paranoid, but deja vu? Is this a precursor to November?

Hey Kem

If we let Hillary obliterate Iran do you think she would give us all a hummer instead of just a tax rebate?

Well, it's time to go listen to the victory speeches of either Hillary or Obama. Hope neither "obliterated" the other and if so don't use the word.

You didn't bother to read the blogs here either huh ~Scots Irish~?

Hillary is simply pathetic.

Wonder if Hillary will win in Pa? After Obama spent three times as much money for TV ads there he should either win or be very, very close.

According to one poster here, she was losing pretty bad. ___ Hard to believe that.

I wonder what credence there is to the new story just out, that Obama had a close relationship with some of the "Weathermen". Those were the dudes who bombed the WTC with truck bombs and did some other nasty stuff. Hope it isn't a true story, but wonder how He'll answer it?

And another eight here don't konw that Hillary never said she would oblitere Iran. She never said it and still people here now believe she did.

Here, I'll wirte something else you dingbats can believe and spread around to other dingbats. Now this is a fact, you can quote it.

"Texaco just discovered an oil resever in Montana, Wyoming, Utah and Idaho that is ten times as large and has more oil than all of the mid-east and Canada put together. The price of gasoline next year will be less than thirty cents a gallon." GM is gong to produce three million Humvees with 500 horepower engines starting in August.

That is just as factual as Hillary said she would oblitere Iran, so if you believe this Hillary story, you can believe mine.

A new low for Shillary---Wow. If that isn't fear-mongering, what is? Are the Iranians fools, suicidal or psychopaths? Of course not---as they are not any form of the "bogeymen" that the so-called leaders of the U.S. keep trying to create in the national mind, with nothing behind it but imperial greed. This is pure, disgusting terrorism being used to drive voters to her daily-more-desperate sides. Hang your head in shame, Shillary. And Obama sounds almost as stupid---as if the U.S. has the sole right to its never-disclosed real stockpiles of unthinkable weapons, as if the U.S. has any genuine "reason" but continuing hegemony to deny Iran's getting close to being a regional and world player. Jeezis H. Christ, am I supposed to vote for either one of these cowards just to keep Crazy Grandpa John McCain off the imperial button? "What a revolting development...."

I am shocked and horrified by this article.

I always had the greatest respect for Hillary even though I disagree with her policies and her position statement.

But this statement is an eye opener. What is shows is that Hillary is not so much of a warmongerer as much as a political opportunist par excellence who is willing to make any statement as long as it plays into her strategy of winning votes. She will say anything as long as it helps her to win.

yes a stupid question answered stupidly. Remember? It's the oil and no one is going to nuke Iran, at least until they have siphoned off all the natural gas and oil and that might take awhile with all those "ants" running around and getting in the way.

That's what right-wing Democrats are willing to do: obliterate people. No surprise.

Is this preemptive hysteria?

The woman is so twisted there are no words to describe her pathologies.

Doesn't the dumb bitch know that Iran has no nukes? Not only does it have no nuclear weapons, it barely has a functioning nuclear power plant.

For months, I have been her 'Hillary Bushlite'. It looks like I shoulda just called her 'Hillary Bush'.

I hope Iran gets nuclear weapons, with out them you don't have a chance.
Hilary is a Zionist pimp, and will do and say anything to get elected. Iran knows that with a bomb they can live in peace,and not end up like Iraq and Palestine.

Yup, she doesn't bake cookies but does bake people.

To Mordechai and the non-Zionist Jewish people: My heart goes out to all of you for being stigmatized and lumped together with the fascist/imperialist minority within your group. For God's sakes, Americans were killing German shepherd dogs during WW1. What crime did those canines commit?

Having said that, I only wish Russia and China would intervene with troops and military hardware if the US and or Israel attacks Iran.

What a way to start the 21st Century. We haven't learned a thing and ARE getting dumber and dumber.

Both Obama and especially Clinton got their digs in on the so-called debate last week about destroying Iran for the Zionist state. Is it worth risking a Third World War for Israeli arrogance?

In her delusional bid to be tough as the guys she tries to out McCain McCain and it looks so foolish, childish and almost moronic. Her concept of being a good leader is too weird. But I am not surprised, look at the rest of her campaign strategy. She certainly worked hard to get herself from a 17 point lead down to 5.something lead in PA.

Sorry, folks......you'd think I'd know it by heart by now

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1028-01.htm

We shall obliterate everything in the name of idiocy!

"I find many of the comments on CD 'anti-semitic' and am almost embarrassed to read some of them. Israel has a right to exist."

-posted by bbr-001 April 22nd, 2008 4:40 pm
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Thoughtful comments, bbr-001, except for those two sentences. Can you give us an example of the anti-Semitic comments that almost embarrass you? Zionism is a racist supremacist theology/ideology that needs to be opposed at every opportunity; the midwife of almost all the ethnic cleansing, collective punishment and crimes against humanity currently being perpetrated by the Israeli apartheid regime. Don't conflate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. When you do, you play into the hands of real anti-Semites who try to tar all Jews with the crimes of a minority of radical fanatics.

Also, bald assertions that Israel has a right to exist prove nothing. By what authority did Israelis murder and drive Palestinians out of Palestine? Israelis have a right to exist, yes. But the state of Israel? Exist as what kind of state? A racist, predatory theocracy? Or a secular democracy with equal rights for all races and religions?

If you're uncomfortable with these comments or find them shrill, well, sorry to offend your sensibilities, but maybe you should be directing your criticism toward the perpetrators of the violence and injustice instead of those who denounce it. It's time Americans started talking about these issues instead of blindly backing endless Israeli atrocities in the ME.

The United States needs to be "humbled" like the nazi war machine and the Japanese imperialists in WW2. Keep voting for Republicans and Democrats, folks. Buy oil stock and invest your dollars in the death and destruction industries. (the military-industrial cabal)

Here in California, they are laying off schoolteachers, but God forbid, don't touch the Pentagon budget. Sometimes, when you get too big for your britches...

It's childish madness -- something I would expect a ten year old to say. But is there even a treaty between the US and Israel which would allow this? Would the UN Charter allow this (it would not be self-defense)? It sounds rather illegal to me, as well as insane.

Leftist propoganda

Sort of reminds me of my son's story coming back from university. At a rally, a student went on a rant about Canada being an apartheid state (with respect to Quebec).

13.4 million Obama versus 12.5 million Clinton in PA at the moment. The polls are closed. Not all results in yet. A squeaker for Obama will be a HUGE LOSS for Clinton. I voted my conscience and wrote in Kucinich. I'll vote Nader in November. At least it won't be on MY conscience when McCain or Clinton or Obama drop nuclear weapons somewhere. The U.S. needs to remember the law of karma, basically what goes around comes around. Believe me, the U.S. has got a LOT coming. I am so SICK of this constant warfare and belligerence on the part of this "peace loving" "shining city on a hill". My God, the rest of the world must just DESPISE this country by now.

The last thing anyone wants, especially myself is another war,however ,I agree with Admiral Fallon that if we were to go to war with them we would crush them. Look how easy it was to go to run through iraq and when the Iraq /Iran war was going on in the 80`s they kept losing ground and gaining the same ground for almost 8 years and when it was all over they were back to square one

Still have people blogging here who don't bother to read all of the others posts and bash Hillary for something she NEVER said.

Really ignorant.

from an iPhone. Oh brave new world. Israel doesn't need US help. With 200 + nukes, they have more than enough to do the job. Besides, there is a very trustworthy NIE out that states that Iran stopped actively working on nuke wepons in'03. One just needs to pledge unswerving love for Lekud and Zionism to get elected to anything in this country. It's humiliating.

Hi ~BR-001~ Yes she used the word obliterate, but not in the context as published in this article.

When asked the very hypothetical question which she should not have even answered, but when campaigning people become tired as it is very hectic. None of them ALWAYS think about a hypothetical question with a great deal of thought.

She replied, "If Iran ever did that, they COULD be obliterated."

She NEVER said she would do that as the title of this article states she did say.___ Probably Isreal would do it if Iran used atomic warheads on them and with ample justification. First of all, Iran is not going to do that to Israel or any other country.

Did this story come out in time for the people of Pennsylvania to absorb it?

Dominick J: Since when are we umbilically attached to Israel? How is an attack on Israel an attack on the "homeland"? Israel is our junkyard dog. We use it to guard the "junkyard" where the oil is kept. Is that what you mean?

Does the world belong to us?