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The failure of the American left is a failure of nerve. It has been neutralized and rendered ineffectual as a political force because of its refusal to hold fast on core issues, from universal, single-payer, not-for-profit health care for all Americans, to the steadfast protection of workers' rights, to an immediate withdrawal from the failed occupation of Iraq to a fight against a militarized economy that is hollowing the country out from the inside.
Let the politicians compromise. This is their job. It is not ours. If the left wants to regain influence in the nation's political life, it must be willing to walk away from the Democratic Party, even if Barack Obama is the nominee, and back progressive, third-party candidates until the Democrats feel enough heat to adopt our agenda. We must be willing to say no. If not, we become slaves.
Political and social change, as the radical Christian right and the array of corporate-funded neocon think tanks have demonstrated, are created by the building of movements. This is a lesson American progressives have forgotten. The object of a movement is not to achieve political power at any price. It is to create pressure and mobilize citizens around core issues of justice. It is to force politicians and parties to respond to our demands. It is about rewarding, through support and votes, those who champion progressive ideals and punishing those who refuse. And the current Democratic Party, as any worker in a former manufacturing town in Pennsylvania can tell you, has betrayed us.
"The mistake of the former left-wingers, from Tom Hayden to Todd Gitlin, is that they want to be players in the Democratic Party and academia," said John R. MacArthur, the publisher of Harper's magazine, speaking of two prominent 1960s activists. "This is not what the left is supposed to be. The left is supposed to be outside the system. The attempt by the left to take control of the Democratic Party failed with [Eugene] McCarthy and George McGovern. The left, at that point, should have gone back to organizing, street protests, building labor unions, and the mobilization of grassroots activists. Instead, it went for respectability."
The rise of a corporate state, and by that I mean a state that no longer works on behalf of its citizens but the corporations, is as much a part of the Democratic agenda as the Republican agenda. Sure, every four years Democratic candidates pay lip service to the old values of the party, but then they head off to Washington and do things such as ram NAFTA down our throats, throw 10 million people off welfare, and peddle health-care proposals acceptable to the HMOs, huge pharmaceutical giants, and for-profit health-care providers who are, after all, the very sources of our health-care crisis. What we as citizens need and work for in a corporate state is irrelevant.
The working class has every right to be, to steal a line from Obama, bitter with liberal elites. I am bitter. I have seen what the loss of manufacturing jobs and the death of the labor movement did to my relatives in the former mill towns in Maine. Their story is the story of tens of millions of Americans who can no longer find a job that supports a family and provides basic benefits. Human beings are not, despite what the well-heeled Democratic and Republican apologists for the free market tell you, commodities. They are not goods. They grieve, and suffer and feel despair. They raise children and struggle to maintain communities. The growing class divide is not understood, despite the glibness of many in the media, by complicated sets of statistics or the absurd, utopian faith in unregulated globalization and complicated trade deals. It is understood in the eyes of a man or woman who is no longer making enough money to live with dignity and hope.
"The other side has religion, and we need some," said the Rev. Susan B. Thistlethwaite, president of Chicago Theological Seminary. "We need a more robust understanding of the role of religious values, values that prevent us from compromising the sanctity and dignity of human life. The left, because it is largely secular, did not do enough as the working class was finished off. And now the same thing is happening with the middle class. It is the loss of the left's spiritual resources that has crippled the movement. The left forgot that nations, like individuals, have souls. Once you sell your soul, it is hard to get it back. History is not linear. History is about constant struggle. It is the struggle, if you come out of faith, which matters."
The failure of the left is the failure of well-meaning people who kept compromising and compromising in the name of effectiveness and a few scraps of influence until they had neither. The condemnations progressives utter -- about the abuse of working men and women, the rapacious cannibalization of the country by an unchecked arms industry, our disastrous foreign wars, and the collapse of basic services from education to welfare -- are not backed by action. The left has been transformed into anguished apologists for corporate greed. They have become hypocrites.
"The loss of nerve by the left comes down to this lack of faith," Thistlethwaite said. "Having a soul means there is coherence between our actions and our values. The left can no longer claim this coherence. It has no moral compass. It does not know right from wrong. It has, in its confusion, lost the capacity to make moral judgments."
Hope, St. Augustine wrote, has two beautiful daughters. They are anger and courage. Anger at the way things are and the courage to see they do not remain the way they are. We stand at the verge of a massive economic dislocation, one forcing millions of families from their homes and into severe financial distress, one that threatens to rend the fabric of our society. If we do not become angry, if we do not muster within us the courage to challenge the corporate state that is destroying our nation, we will have squandered our credibility and integrity at the moment we need it most.
Chris Hedges is author of "I Don't Believe in Atheists" and "American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America."
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In your disgust (which nobody cares about), you paint Leftists with a broad and highly inaccurate brush.
For example, I support President Chavez's progressive agenda over the decidedly regressive programmes proposed by his oligarchical opponents.
He only came to fore after the army was directed to slaughter Venezuela's poor when they rose up against the harshly imposed (by the oligarchs)IMF austerity policies,i.e., the Caracoza Riots.
The thugs that disgusted Chavez and much of the military were those in high places; the oligarchy who used Venezuela's army against its impoverished population. Simply because they didn't want to starve. Needless to say, the U.S. elite didn't object to this "crackdown."
Though I do support the direction President Chavez's twice democratically elected is taking, I certainly am no fan of Mugabe.
Anyway, economic and other social institutions interrelate...this includes the polity.
libertarian ideologies do not seem to understand the reallity of these interrelationships.
Thanks to those who pointed out that the neo cons didn't just have a plan, they had millions of dollars. I get tired of those who complain that if there aren't many people at one of our meetings, it's our fault. Not enough leaflets!
The right has money to fund think tanks, newspapers, candidates, megachurches, and so much more.
We have jobs and family and hopes for the future. And no money.
I support Cynthia McKinney even though I voted for Nader in 1996, 2000 and 2004. This is because she has joined the Green Party, she supports us and she is a great candidate. I suggested that he run as her vice president, but apparently he ruled that out. So it's an easy choice for me, although I still admire Nader greatly.
The book by David Korten "The Great Turning" is great. His vision of the future is something I think most of us could agree on. Although I am an atheist, and usually reject religious dogma, he comes from a religious point of view, and it's not too disgusting. (My version of high praise)
Chris Hedges is right that we need a real Left. One that doesn't think Obama is our savior. We need an anti-war, pro peace, pro-environment, pro single payer health care candidate.
I believe that the left has an agenda and a set of priorities that they can and should adopt. I agree with Chris Hedges by way of supporting Progressive Democrats of America.
The left can organize the movement within the Progressive Democrats of America (PDA) organization and adopt the group's five priorities and the Progressive agenda www.progressive2008.org. If the Democratic Party candidates do not support the five priorities and progressive agenda then the left should vote for third party candidates that support the five priorities and the Progressive agenda. The only issue I have with PDA is that they only endorse Progressive Democratic candidates or no one. PDA should continue to work to change the Democratic Party and endorse any PDA member candidate that supports the five priorities and progressive agenda. With PDA's inside outside strategy we would need to continue to fight for more open debates www.opendebates.org, along with supporting Free Press www.freepress.net, FAIR.org www.fair.org, and independent nonprofit media such as The Real News www.therealnews.com and Free Speech TV www.freespeech.org.
As far religion goes I disagree with Hedges. I am aware of people being religious and still compromising their political progressive viewpoints.
Huck,(and YOU);
I think we try to correct ourselves, individually and collectively, to stop what is wrong by doing what is right.
Consciousness raising on racism, war, poverty,sexism, and the environment; has been a struggle and all of us have been corrected when wrong out of temperamental frustrations or good olde American reactionary ignorance.
And that is exactly what Chris Hodges is doing in this piece as all others, he is a very dear soul and suffering one, as we all must be in anguish and rage, with and without hope.
He is correct about the left, which I am painting at the liberal center, working to pacify the cutting-edge of righteous indignation, into mollified silent vigil of pragmatic respectability.
Senator Eugene McCarthy had a slogan, "Clean for Gene" translation, "get-a-haircut" and be pragmatic or stay away.
In essence that still is the policy of the democrats, and why they distance themselves for un-self-censoring activist and the heaviest analysis of the most salient issues.
Well, that is what happened, a synthesis or conspiracy of silence, as with Hayden on 9/11 to this day. And for that matter, where is Chris Hodges on this paramount matter?
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.tv/bbc5.php
What really happen was, the abandonment of idealistic zeal, or robust revolutionary thinking that ended by 1969. That was, the invocation of the topical phrase; "After The Revolution, we will have ............ or, we will not have ..........
The intense creative discussions and hyperbolic dissertations would run into the night, and that was the venue for much of the consciousness raising and actions that came to fruition came from. But, there is no talk today or for four decades of "After The Revolution" and therefore no vision whatsoever to strive toward, just acts of futility and bogus elections consistently.
Well, I was there and still here now. And have a vision, and plan for a Pure Democracy Revolution. I want to change the system, and it so happens to be legal, constitutional, and within our Rights and Powers. Excalibur awaiting liberation from the stone. But, it will take a joining of hands to concentrate our Power to free our minds, for our hearts are ready to wield the sword of a new Revolution.
So, we need each other in every way possible, and we are nearly isolated by all that divides us. I have many friends I stopped talking to, we are such idiots temperamentally too. Who was the sarcastic sage who sardonically observed, "that when the left comes out to fight, it forms a circle."!?
Check my blog, which I should update, but here is my e-mail address and open to all comers.: PureRadical@hotmail.com
Nicely stated notgoingalong.
Like I noted above: any point of view that rattles the cages of the sheeple (what you refer to as Liberals) the indignant little twits get their panties in a bunch.
Liberals are not the LEFT, they are the Center - moderates; who disdain left, and make common cause ultimately with the RIGHT.
The liberals have always tried and have succeeded in 'containing' the left. To make is easier for them to pose as the sole solution, the only reasonable alternative to the right.
The activist-left are persona non grata, and treated as a political liability and fear a backlast from the right, by any association.
As for McGovern, it must be pointed out that he voted for remove all the restrictions on attacking Viet Nam on April 17, 1975. It was a 75-17 vote in the senate. Had not House Speaker Tip O'Neill convened the House Democratic Caucas, and put the decision to adjust and go back to their districts to touch base with their constituents, the house would have likely concurred and the war would not have ended 12 days later. When the house returned the question was moot.
My point is, liberals are not reliable allies, and are arrogantly dismissive, in most cases. But, as politicians, they fain openness when it is serves their interest.
We had one courageous US Senator, Mark Dayton (D-Minn) who took on the 9/11 Commission and eviscerated their lies and totally unacceptable cover story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLW7eH92_2o
He was terrorized from office by the CIA Director George Tenet, telling him that they had information that he was in grave danger and they could not protect him. He worry about leaving his staff behind and the capitol, and closed his office and that was the last we heard about it. And put into perspective Senator Paul Wellstone had been killed, and the evidence points to it being an assassination. The distinction is critical in speaking to motive. An assassination has to effect the course of history, as with JFK and MLK.
We had Rep. Cynthia McKinney in the house, and she has been effectively conspired against for the second time and is out of office. She too took on 9/11 and unlike the liberals in that movement, she did not put a firewall between the psyop of 9/11 and the wars of aggression, or the profit motive and was specific.
That leave Tim Ryan, who stood up magnificently against the reinstatement of the compulsory military draft - H.R. 393.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/21/rep-tim-ryan-blasts-the-administrations-iraq-record/
I think of O'Neill and those adamantly with him, Mark Dayton, Cynthia McKinney, and Tim Ryan, are radicals, not liberals. Radicals are those who have the nerve to go to the root of the problem, and want systemic change, not compromise.
Liberals are duplicitous by design, and counter-revolutionaries at heart. I came to express my dismay as: scratch a liberal and you will find a fascist!
Thank you for reading.
Thanks trollwiththepunches, that was fun...yep, left libertarian it is. Right there with Gandhi.
Mike Gravel is good stuff- he was the only reason I could get through the Dem debates...haven't been able to stomach them since he was dropped.
I sure wish that these two (Gravel and Paul)were taken seriously in the corporate media...it was really disturbing how the party leaders shut down the Ron Paulers at the local convention...written off as nut balls. The irony of these folks then turning to support McCain (the Ultimate Nutball) was hard to stomach. I am kind of pushing for a Republican Revolution myself, I think the party is ripe for the taking...And as long as Dems are so delusional as to expect Obama to be some kind of knight in shining armor, I'd rather waste my time talking to Republicans.
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The mistake that Chris Hedges makes is that he doesn't acknowledge the fact that the American political arena is set up to cause any third party to fail. Any effort to effect change by joining a third party (such as the Green Party) or by creating another third party is doomed from the beginning, because all the energy of the activists will be expended on just being invited to the table. The radical right recognized this fact 40 years ago, and set out instead to hijack the Republican Party. We see that they were successful in that, and we also see the results. Today's Republican Party is not the party of the true conservatives; it is the party of the radical Christian right.
Those of us on the left who bought into the idea that a third party would cause the Democrats to "feel enough heat to adopt our agenda" found out officially how marginalized we really were in the 2000 election. The elites who benefit from the status quo are happiest when we opt out of their official systems. Those of us on the left who recognize the reality of how American politics is officially set up, know that what we have to do is take over the Democratic Party, much in the same way the radical right took over the Republicans.
That is what Tom Hayden is doing; the Progressive Caucus of the California Democratic Party is now the largest caucus in the party. In addition, Hayden is a member of the Advisory Board of Progressive Democrats of America, a nation-wide PAC that was founded in 2004 "to transform the Democratic Party and our country." PDA works both inside and outside the party to rebuild the Democratic Party "and a government controlled by citizens, not corporate elites." This work does not happen overnight; look how long it took the radical right to take over the Republican Party. We in PDA are dedicating the next 5, 10, 15 years of our lives in a struggle that is just as relentless as Dick Cheney's was when he started out in Nixon's administration. I will not live long enough to see the results of my hard work, but that is no reason for me to stop.
I know that Ron Paul isn't likely to be popular here, but he's worth looking at.
Funny you should mention that UndercoverRepublican. Judging by your earlier post, you strike me as a libertarian and not necessarily a rightward leaning one.
I think too much is made about the divide between left and right in this country, especially when the left-right duality is only one dimension of our political viewpoints. The duality of authoritarian vs libertarian is an often overlooked way of approaching politics but I think there's much more opportunity to find common ground if you break out of the mousetrap of left v right and use the vertical up-down, authoritarian v libertarian viewpoint.
take the test and see where you come down.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/
It may or may not surprise you.
When I take this thing I come out as a left libertarian. Perhaps that is why I find that I do like much of what Ron Paul has to say.
Take a look at Mike Gravel too. You may be interested in what he has to say as well
The argument over Hedge's book entitled "War is a Force that Gives Us Meaning" is irrelevant. The person who is criticizing the book has not read it, and hence the misunderstanding. I apologize to intrude, but the comment "War is a waste of money, resources, hardware and life" is definitely accurate... but Hedges agrees with that entirely, and so attacking the book as being pro-war is simply not accurate.
Regardless of whether or not one agrees with Hedges beliefs in other areas, he was a war correspondent for many years who tries to make hawkish people realize that among many things, war is also a psychological drug. It is a state of intense living where ordinary people can be manipulated into doing terrible things for many reasons, and can become addicted to a sense of living in grandiose, black-or-white terms. If we understand some of these reasons more throughly, we can work more competently to end war.
War is a waste of money, resources, life... all the better to understand some of the psychological reasons why regular people go along with it. It is not some pro-war right-wing diatribe, but an impassioned plea for peace, understanding, and reason from a mind made half-crazed by the death and destruction it has experienced. Some may disagree with his use of religious language (which is at a minimum in this particular work), and that's fine; but if it's another voice in the world to call shame down on the war mongers and help us understand the human mind, then I'm glad it's out there.
Good jive: Sea Monkeys vs Unicorns!
The only candidate that I have heard even approach the issue of Empire is Ron Paul, who suggests that the true conservative position is against imperialist war-making, etc. He has said time and again that one of the reasons our economy is on the verge of collapse is because our resources are spread all over the globe- anywhere but here. I know that Ron Paul isn't likely to be popular here, but he's worth looking at.
trollwtp....congrats on finally reaching the breakiing point
with hillary (altho it did take u long enuf) ;)
By the way, I am still totally going Sea Monkey but at least now I know I can rule out Clinton.
I'm not naive enough to think that the US wouldn't bomb the crap out of Iran if they attacked Israel but this
idiotic macho blathering is enough to make me rule out voting for Clinton. EVER.
So thanks Hill, for making my decision all the easier to make!
COMarc
If I knew you I would bet you $1000 on that. I'd make some easy money.
If you are as sick of our leaders committing crimes as I am and are as sick of watching for profit health care kill more and more Americans then read on.
Withdraw your consent! It is that easy. No more organ donors, no more blood donors, no more guilty verditcs for property and consensual crimes.
If you have an organ donor sticker on your license, withdraw your consent.
Stop donating blood.
If you are selected for jury duty, unless it is for a violent or sex crime, vote against the corporate or government interest. Period!
No healthcare for the workers, no body products for the rulers. No criminal convictions for the ruling elite, no criminal convictions for the working class. Yes, it is total class warfare and it has been a long time coming. It is so easy, just do nothing, don't co-operate!!
Also, Alien you stated your previous post from the viewpiont of a physicist. What background do you have in physics or applied physics?
McCain is toast and doesn't have a chance in the fall. All this stuff about how if X wins it helps McCain or if Y doesn''t withdraw from the race it helps McCain is all just mud and BS the two corporate Dems are throwing back and forth at each other. Its all nonsense. McCain ain't gonna win.
Corporate America has already voted. They are funding the Democrats this time around. They've got two nice safe pro-corporate candidates there and they've already decided that the country will insist on a change from the Republicans. Like everything in America these days, look at the money. Look at the fund-raising dollars on the Dem and Rethug sides. Corporate America has already voted.
Here's my complaint about the talk about 'revolution'. What happens next?
Do you set up a dictatorship of the left after the revolution? Just the right-minded people who led the revolution making the decisions for everyone because they know best?
Or, do you have free and fair elections after the revolution?
I ask, because if its the latter, then you still have to do the tasks of educating and organizing the American people. Its very, very basic, if you want to have a free country, then you are going to have to have free and fair elections. And that means you have to do the political work anyways.
So, why not just do it now?
Brilliant article. I really like Chris Hedges writings. His book about war is outstanding. So disturbing I had a hard time reading it. But outstanding even if every page does make you think and challenge your own beliefs. So, you find you read just a few pages then put it down and think.
So glad that amacd decide to drop by to let us know that we're living in an empire (excuse me, Empire!)
In other news: sun rises in the east.
Enough snark though, there's been too much of that lately from the frickin' Unicorn camp (I'm looking at you, Namaste).
In all seriousness though, amacd, do you really think that revolutionary conditions obtain in the present? That there will be or could be a revolution on this continent in '08?
Have you ever witnessed anything like a revolution anywhere? Do you have any idea of the kinds of conditions needed to give birth to such a thing?
The closest I've come was when I was in El Salvador in 1987 when the FMLN were beginning a strong push to defeat the U.S. backed Salvadoran military. It was a very tense time. Sadly (in my opinion) the FMLN were ultimately only able to bring the government to a draw, but they came extraordinarily close to victory, at one point controlling a good 2/3 of the country.
But to push the country towards revolution required decades of terrible repression by the government, a series of disappointed electoral hopes, and long-term organizing by the guerrilas.
I've never witnessed any such revolutionary conditions in this country. I don't think they even existed back in that magical period the 1960s. Some folks thought they did, but I've talked to some of them (Mark Rudd of the Weathermen, for instance) and he's pretty convinced that they greatly overestimated the presence of revolutionary conditions in the country.
Eric J-D
I totally agree with you on the Hillary stuff. Of course it's really early but I think 1% is well within the Diebold realm.
And thanks for making it clear to me. Sea Monkeys all the way!
You do make a good point about their stick-to-it-ness, namaste but I'm gonna have to go with Eric on this one.
And amacd--I was only joking as Rod Stewart would say. But I must say I like this:
Hedges column is excellent —-but would be better if he substituted the vague and passive phrase, "corporate state", with the much more accurate, "nail in the ass", and confrontational reality, "corporatist Empire".
I particularly like the phrase "nail in the ass" as it has a real ring to it.
Some of us do really like that sort of thing though ...
djwolf, I love your story about the dog sitting on the nail and just howling --- not moving.
Yes, the 'nail' that Americans are sitting on, and which we seem ignorant of, and not yet "hurting enough" to move is the nail of ----- 'corporatist Empire'.
Hedges column is excellent ---- but would be better if he substituted the vague and passive phrase, "corporate state", with the much more accurate, "nail in the ass", and confrontational reality, "corporatist Empire".
The rallying cry of the '08 'movement' and revolution will be:
"It's the Empire, stupid" ---- It's the corporatist Empire that's the nail up our arse, and it's time to really 'moveon' (not just be fooled by MoveOn's lies about rehabilitating the dead-end, corporatist controlled Democratic Party).
There's been some dismissive chatter among trolls on this site about the failure to 'see monkeys' in this see-monkey-party, but the reality is they can't even see the 800 pound gorilla sitting in the kitchen ---- namely Empire.
All three of these 'corporatist Empire' candidates just recently pulled a campaign stunt that even monkey could see as a cynical symbol of reality --- they all made WWF ad spoofs, that aren't really spoofs.
By posing themselves as WWF 'battling gorillas' these corporatist shills put on their best 'game faces', but actually revealed the truth about their supposed grudge match 'slapdown'.
Like the WWF, it is all phony, it is all prescripted, and it is all produced to fool the American people by the very same 'corporatist Empire' moneyed interests and imperial producers BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!
Trollwtp:
If that happens (i.e. Hillary getting the nomination), the election will almost certainly go to McCain for reasons that ought to be very plain to anyone.
Although polling data is sometimes unreliable in making such predictions, it beats consulting the entrails of helpless doves, so here's a little dose of it:
The RCP average general election polls have her currently trailing McCain (admittedly by an extremely small margin--0.1%) while Obama leads by 1.0%. These numbers will fluctuate, of course, but she has been consistently down in them.
The latest gallup poll on perceptions of the candidates "truthfulness and trustworthiness" puts her at 44%; Obama is at 63% and McCain is at 67%. These numbers are unlikely to rise for any of the candidates. Thus DP voters will head into the election with a candidate whose "trustworthiness" doesn't break 50%. That's gotta hurt.
Add to this the enormous galvanizing force (for Republicans) of the Clinton name. Social conservatives may be soft on McCain now, but they will likely vote for him in large numbers once they are whipped into an anti-Clinton frenzy by the Republican media machine. Bill is not an asset so much as a major liability. Whatever what one thinks about the farcical impeachment trial, you can expect images of it, the return of the repressed (Whitewater), etc. I predict all this will have the desired effect of mobilizing the religious right to come out for McCain.
In short, her presidential campaign is already over; she just can't see it.
Obama's may well be as well, but he is far less burdened with the string of perceptual negatives attached to Clinton's camapign.
But hey, I'm already voting Sea Monkey, so what do I care? ;)
trollwiththepunches April 22nd, 2008 6:53 am
"And impeaching Bush is off the table because either on some level that we may not fully understand Dem leadership is complicit in too much of the criminal bullshit that the Rethugs are or it's part of a tacit–or not so tacit–agreement between both corporatist parties that there is only so far you can go in blowing the lid off this racket we had."
You are correct about that. Nancy Pelosi knew from the beginning that Bush and co were illegally spying on U.S. citizens and did not say or do anything about it. She is however only one Democrat of many.
Lobo Gris
oh I almost forgot and to add one more layer of cynicism to my analysis ... I am starting to believe Obama won't even get the nomination anyway. Hillary will ratfuck him out of it and juice the superdelegates. So conjecture about what kind of president Obama would make is all the more pointless.
On that cheerful note--have a great day! :)
The Democrats have nobody to blame but themselves if they lose in November an election that should have been their's to win by a landslide.
Just to name two issues they flubbed.
They could have done something about the Iraq war, which was one of their campaign promises in 06, by witholding financing but they didn't.
They could have impeached Bush, which is a president that desperately needs it if any ever have, but took impeachment off the table before the facts were even studied.
Lobo, I totally agree that they won't have anyone to blame. But I don't think they "flubbed" either of these issues. I think that though some Dems opposed the war, or at the very least had questions about it, now that we are in Iraq, they don't want to pull the plug on the military industrial complex's big money making machine. And impeaching Bush is off the table because either on some level that we may not fully understand Dem leadership is complicit in too much of the criminal bullshit that the Rethugs are or it's part of a tacit--or not so tacit--agreement between both corporatist parties that there is only so far you can go in blowing the lid off this racket we had.
In Aaron Russo's documentary "America: Freedom to Fascism," someone (I've forgotten who) makes the statement that the Repubs and Dems are really the Genoveses and Gambinos. They may snipe at one another but will rally to each others' support when the game is under attack.
All of this said, I do see a cynical logic that at least in the immediate future, holding one's nose and voting for the slightly less evil crime family could have meaningful repercussions. And I do see a chance--albeit a very slim one--that as Normon Solomon suggests in another column here on CD that Obama--who is more of a tabula rasa than Clinton, could surprise us with being a more progressive president. Another FDR as Solomon seems to suggest? I'd like a hit off of whatever Norm is smoking.
But this is all academic, I fear. As I said earlier, I think this is actually McCain's election to lose.
The comments to this article could be held as proof of the useless-ness of attempting to filter genuine, considered, APT, thought through this medium.
I strongly urge any who read this to refrain from "participating" and instead reread the article itself.
If we all foreswear further participation in these psuedo-discussions the shills will be left to pathetically nip at one another.
And perhaps, for us, the veils of illusions will recede, and we can at last PROGRESS!
I hereby foreswear any contribution beyond this to any false discussion "on" the Internets - whether on this site or any other.
I hope you follow me and we can meet TRULY in the World.
Have FUN.
-matti.
MVC April 21st, 2008 11:32 am
"Progressive politics can't be something that comes around every two years when elections are on. It has to be constant. You need to elect Democrats to Washington but then you have to make sure their feet are held to the fire."
And just how do you propose to hold there feet to the fire? By threatening to vote for them in the next election if they don't adopt progressive issues?
The only power the people have over politicians is their vote. Once they are in office forget it. Look at the 06 election, the promises made and not kept and now you and people like you are proposing that we vote for them once again. Enough is TOO MUCH already. It's time to get the message across with our vote, by not voting for those that lied to us yet one more time.
Lobo Gris
trollwiththepunches April 21st, 2008 8:27 pm
"I also see an even more cynical logic in the fact that McCain is probably going to win no matter what we do–the GOP will steal the election and the McCain-loving corporate media will beat up whatever Dem over meaningless issues so why not vote for someone–or at least some issues that we actually believe in?"
The Democrats have nobody to blame but themselves if they lose in November an election that should have been their's to win by a landslide.
Just to name two issues they flubbed.
They could have done something about the Iraq war, which was one of their campaign promises in 06, by witholding financing but they didn't.
They could have impeached Bush, which is a president that desperately needs it if any ever have, but took impeachment off the table before the facts were even studied.
Lobo Gris
cindysheehan April 21st, 2008 10:37 pm
Support me!
You most certainly have my support Cindy. Here's to rockin the boat in 08!
Lobo Gris
As someone above commented:
Democratic Party hacks would rather elect a Republican hack than a Democratic Reformer.
It bears repeating.
Democratic Party hacks would rather elect a Republican hack than a Democratic Reformer.
so it goes...
I will vote for a Dem because it is a move away from war and a big move away from nuclear war. If the left wants to have influence we need to take over part of the MSM and do grass roots politics. Take down All Things Cheesy and put Amy and others in the spotlight. If Barak wins it will be an important change in direction.
I love Chris and his analysis of religion and politics. Nader should be in the debates. But he won't. Because lefties don't sponsor any debates or run any networks. They don't even get to ask questions. This talk has gone on for decades and there is no thriving and active 3rd party. Hedges is paid to write as he should be, but does he work in a 3rd party?
I think Obama can win and will listen to reason. Will face reality. We need that.
I'm amazed by the American system with your debates and primaries and whathaveyou. Basically, McCain is out on the porch sipping a cool drink while the two Democrat contenders punch it out and drag each other down. During this fight the Republicans are taking notes to discover the weak spots in each candidate spelled out by their own team. Whoever wins between these two battered Democrats won't have a hope against the rested and relatively clean Rebublican... Are you guys serious?
Let me tell you a story. A salesman goes out to a farmhouse to find a guy sitting on the porch. At the guy's feet is a dog that is howling. "What's wrong with your dog?" asks the salesman. "He's sitting on a nail" replies the farmer. "Why doesn't he move?" asks the salesman? "well, it doesn't hurt him enough to move, just to howl."
And so it goes. You subscribe to this website but you don't actually do anything. This election has nothing to do with forming a movement for compassion. Vote for the Democrat but be aware that the throne does not give the power to change. What it is is the seat of Corporate Power and those who seek it must abide by their councellors or be dethroned.
And once you have done that create a movement of compassion with the following talking points:
1. Allow the full reformation of the American Communist Party. Yes, I know that communism doesn't actually work but the communists believe in it. What is important about allowing it is that accusing your opponent of being a 'commie' will no longer be comsidered such an insult. By 'allowing' the left extreme, movement towards the left will result automatically.
2. Demand mandatory voting and impose a small fine on those who don't attend a ballot centre to get their names crossed off (proving that they have voted) or send in an absentee vote. Sure, huge numbers are apathetic and don't care about the issues so their vote is not informed. However, when those same people know they have to vote and that a wrong vote may put in someone they really don't want they take an interest. In Australia, about 5% vote informal - Mickey Mouse, 'Up Yours', 'Who Cares?', etc.
3. Introduce more parties and preferential voting. That means that a vote on a minor party or independent is not a wasted vote. The 'Greens' politician can campaign and tells us who he is sending his votes to. If he doesn't win the Presidency you already know his votes are going to Barrack Obama (for example). That means the little guys aren't cut out and Barrack Obama can get into power but with the clear nomination from the people of what they want and expect.
When the nail really hurts and hundreds of thousands of families in the USA are going without heat and food, then you may act. When the Iraq War sends the American people to the poor house and Beijing becomes friendlier with North Korea and the American forces must initiate the draft to avoid its current bankruptcy, then you will act.
You see the Iraq war was an excuse for corporate Oil to get its hands on Iraq. There is no exit strategy and no American President will be permitted to bring the troops home. Of course it will end in disaster with only American nuclear retaliation to back them up. Greed makes people short-sighted and the USA is ripe for a revolutionary change to its system. Maybe not now... It's just not bad enough.
Gail: You're rockin'!
Ezefler: Love your one-liners.
I forgot, # 4 which reflects the comments of those posters I just mentioned: The control of media CONTROLS the conversation, frames the issues, and defines the boundaries of acceptable discussion. It marginalizes dissent while manufacturing consent. IF the same air waves were open to progressive voices, we'd see a very different nation in attitude and action.
The so-called cohesion of the right is based on 3 things:
1. Many who subscribe to conservative views also resonate with fundamentalist creeds. They are easily led and SEEK a leader.
2. The RIGHT has a very limited menu of foci, so it's easier to unite its base. The Left is apparently splintered because its "members" are hip to SO many good and necessary causes... and these are diverse. One may not be able to work on environmental action, civil rights, workers' rights, fair banking etc at once.
3. The lobby system has rendered DC a gallery of whores, and since ALL answer to big money, as so many have articulated in this forum, any substantial effort to represent the interests of "the people" is squashed by the weight of legalized bribery.
Excellent points raised here by: BALAKIREV, JERRY 1208, JAREILLY, KIVALS, USAN, & CLICK DARK.
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Namaste
One major disagreement with the following:
"If the left wants to regain influence in the nation's political life, it must be willing to walk away from the Democratic Party, even if Barack Obama is the nominee, and back progressive, third-party candidates until the Democrats feel enough heat to adopt our agenda."
No. I think the idea is to walk away from the Democratic Party and never come back. The goal should be to build another party that will eventualy displace the incessantly useless Democratic Party that will NEVER adopt the agenda Hedges speaks of. That he thinks they will seems naive(to put it kindly) on his part.
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The Democratic party has always been seen as fractious, if not fractured. I'm not sure the time is ripe to change that, though I hope it is. It's certainly long overdue.
"I'm not a member of any organized political party: I'm a Democrat!"
- Will Rogers
Unicorns -- they can really stick it to ya
Sea Monkey every time. Although I think it a tad harsh. Obama has a marhmellow center.
I say Sea Monkeys, since I have it on good authority that the majoritarian position of American voters is in conventional terms pro-Sea Monkey.
Don't ask me for the supporting data on this, though. The goddam Unicorns ate it! ;)
Thanks Namaste
Sorry I missed your earlier posts.
Do you think we should vote for the Unicorns or the Sea Monkeys?
trollwtp:
You hit the nail with the hammer hard on that one! Good think I wasn't drinking anything when I read your post! Hilarious but spot on! :)
Poor Allen. He lives in a state of existential angst projecting his dysfunctional tripe on any point of view that differs with his own. Thankfully for Academia the hollowed eyed morons unable to function in the real world is given a life time appointment while sitting on top of their elitist perch and bringing down the seminal word on the passive body of the congregation.
Poor little guy: he has provided me with the best belly laugh Ive had in a while.
I disagree with you trollwiththepunche, when you say "There isn't a clear, good choice for progressives right now. "
There is always the prospect of working on one's internal state and consciousness,
Viktor Frankl's account of Mans Search for Meaning even occurred in the midst of the Jewish Holocaust inside the concentration camps.
Look to my other postings this week about forgiveness or BE'ingness, for possible suggestions
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6. The appearance of a truly independent, articulate, and aggressively anti-corporatist and anti-Empire third party (and openly uncontrollable 'democracy advocate' and anti-empire candidate) will drastically confront and shatter these best made plans of the 'corporatist Empire'.
7. An alliance of the Unicorn Party and Sea-Monkey Party brokered by Alien time-travelers will inaugurate a century of benevolent rule over Narnia.
Sorry, couldn't resist being a wiseass :)
The left didn't lose its nerve. They just don't want to miss their tv programs.
Hey Huckabee,
War is a waste of money, resources, hardware and life that has no meaning, asshole. I learned that way back in the mid 60's.
Read a scientific paper, asshole.
The sad fact is ... there is no real left to speak of in America. Who are its leaders? In these comments I see a lot of disgruntled conflicted people who share the same frustrations I do. There isn't a clear, good choice for progressives right now. I do see the logic of progressives trying to organize into a bloc of some sort--as in a third party--in the hopes of holding the Democrats accountable but even that option isn't as clear any more. As some commenters have pointed out, who do you vote for, Nader or Green? Or do you vote for Mike Gravel? Fuck if I know.
I do also see the cynical logic that we are locked into a two party system whether we like it or not and that a vote for the lesser of two evils in the American presidential race, while it may not be satisfying in any deep sense has repercussions throughout the world. I do see a thin thread of hope in the possibility that a vote for Obama is at least, to use Bill Clinton's expression, a roll of the dice. That maybe, just maybe he might be able to do a good thing or two as President. If Hillary wins the primary somehow--and I am starting to think it could actually happen--I will have to think about that one but don't think I will be voting for her.
I also see an even more cynical logic in the fact that McCain is probably going to win no matter what we do--the GOP will steal the election and the McCain-loving corporate media will beat up whatever Dem over meaningless issues so why not vote for someone--or at least some issues that we actually believe in?
I can say that for the first time in many years I haven't made up my mind about how I'm going to vote and am still undecided.
On the one hand that is frustrating but I do find it to be strangely liberating
Unlike Chris Hedges, no pundits understand this three party race.
Understanding the current three candidate race for the figure-head presidency of the 'corporatist Empire' hiding behind this façade of 'Vichy American' government requires a broader understanding of history, revolution, and the nature of these 'crisis times' than the 'Vichy Media' punditry can integrate, because they all think we are still in 'normal times' ---- and, of course, they are also all pawns to the ruling-elite, class-based 'corporatist Empire'.
1. The dynamic of the multitude, now, during these 'crisis times', is already trying to birth a new, three-party alternative to the dying two-party façade of the corporatist empire that has been ruling our country, in claimed 'normal times', since the death of FDR.
This birthing effort by the multitude represents a massive and majoritarian movement by a new and naturally recognized 'working-class' which is broadly self-defined as the vast common-wealth of all Americans (over 90%) who earn more of their income from actually 'working' than from 'un-earned ' interest on idle-elite investment of their accumulated wealth.
2. Ralph Nader first recognized, in his 2000 campaign, that the actual 'majoritarian' position of Americans was already aligned with the Green 'working-class' values, issues, and economic reality of our 'common-wealth', and against the entrenched 'corporatist Empire' ---- but that this new majority was not yet self-aware of these changing times, and that the propaganda of the private corporatist controlled 'Vichy' political and media monopoly would try to abort any such revolutionary public awareness.
It can be assumed that the ruling-elite 'corporatist Empire' hiding behind the façade of their two-party 'Vichy' charade of ersatz democracy also was aware of Nader's truth about the actual majoritarian position in America --- and that they suspected as early as 2000 that their election 'fixing' by the end of the Bush regime would have to become more sophisticated and guileful to continue fooling the rubes into 'wasting' their voting POWER.
3, The 2008 election scam was designed by the ruling-elite 'corporatist Empire' to offer the apparent "hope" of a 'third party' alternative to the old two-party (single lock) 'Vichy' façade --- but within a corporatist controlled environment.
The three 'corporate Empire' vetted candidates we are now looking at were supposed to represent a 'pressure release valve' for the frustrated, and increasingly self-aware majority of American voters (actually what Handt and Negri define as the "Multitude") ---- but keep this not-yet-articulable sense of revolution against Empire and for democracy entirely constrained and controlled within the confines of the corporatist Empire's 'Vichy' charade.
4. Since the true majoritarian position of American voters is in conventional terms "far to the left" (and in more accurate terms, "anti-empire and pro-democracy") of the corporatist Empire's rule, the corporatist Empire could not allow the 'crisis times' 2008 election to be recognized as being between empire and democracy. Thus the current contrived three candidate race actually represents the corporatist empire's allowance of a controllable 'proxy election' of three choices --- but each of which remains controllable by the empire.
5. Placing the 'third-candidate' choice (sic) within the Democratic Party allows the ruling-elite 'corporatist Empire' to control ---- by abortion, or co-option ---- the results of the looming majoritarian surge of the frustrated, angry, and even bitter, but stil POWERFUL American voters in the broadened self-awareness of the 'working-class' multitude.
While not allowing a real (and potentially disastrously uncontrollable) three party race in these 'crisis times' of 2008, the corporatist Empire is 'allowing' a contrived 'pressure release valve' of a three-candidate race ---- but within the safe confines of the two-party 'Vichy' duopoly which the empire can fully manipulate.
6. The appearance of a truly independent, articulate, and aggressively anti-corporatist and anti-Empire third party (and openly uncontrollable 'democracy advocate' and anti-empire candidate) will drastically confront and shatter these best made plans of the 'corporatist Empire'.
"HOPE has two children. The first is ANGER at the way things are. The second is COURAGE to DO SOMETHING about it."-St. Augustine
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"Find your tribe (not political parties)
Connect to your tribe (your survival depends on it)
Strengthen your tribe (your future autonomy is at stake)
Humanity was meant for relationship not isolation."
yeah, something like that. Hanging with the Republicans this time around has been really enlightening. Believe it or not some of them are pretty progressive people...I am beginning to feel like what Hedges is pointing to is an identity crisis, where these labels don't mean much anymore. What is a girl to do who believes in individual freedoms, the right to have a gun, wishes there weren't so damn many laws, wants this war to end, wants education to be high quality and free, wants our food to be organic and wants the polar bears to stick around? Guess I'm not a Republican or a Democrat. Huh.
Also, Alien-dude, War is a Force That Gives US Meaning was a fantastic book. Take your own advice and read it, ya goon.
jeezus...the anger that comes thru in some of these postings! (not that anger is a bad thing)
huck sees us as sheeple because we're unable to latch onto the "insight" of the out-of-the-box thinker chris H. hey, we all feel the need for major change. unfortunately, we haven't done the job of getting the institutions and processes in place to effect that change. if u think that voting for nader will lead us in that direction, then hey, vote for him. but spare me your indignation at those of us who believe it won't.
and then we rubes get hit with the foul-mouthed anger of our PHYSICIST (his caps, not mine)...AlienBeing. he tells us we're at the edge of ecological collapse...and sadly, that is probably true. what does he propose to get us out of this mess? our physicist, of course, tells us science. and we certainly will need science, but we will need other things, too. scientists like politicians can be short- sighted...greed and fame come into play. physicist tells us that space exploration is a way to solve our economic, social and environmental problems. i'll take my advice from some of the more humanistic astronauts who told us that we're living on a big blue marble and we better get along.
The "left" - at least the authentic left - is not extreme at all. The environmental movement grew out of a desire to CONSERVE what is left of our natural world. The extremists are those migrating to the middle under the rubric of the values of consumption. High profile consumption may be seen as the norm, but that does not make it moderate. Wake up poet.
Huck the hick wrote :
Nicely stated.
No it's not, it's meaningless babble.
Just because the pseudo left and neo con right are more concerned about their entitlement taking refuge in their status quo sensibilities, does not require the 1-5% who think for ourselves follow their galactic stupidity.
Not only do you not think for yourself, but wise people read the words of other's thoughts.
Read a book, you're a fucking idiot :
My book : http://arxiv.org/
Aw c'mon everybody (including especially Chris Hedges most of whose writing I admire) go get Paul Hawkin's book "Blessed Unrest" and read about how the changes are already coming.
Realize that the human species as a whole is already rejecting extremists from both ends of the spectrum and going about the important work or reconnecting and reconstructing community among itself.
Soon enough the greater mass of humanity will commit the greatest blasphemy of any subjects by standing up and declaring the Emporer class to be without any clothing and totally ridiculous.
This year by election we will rearrange the deck chairs on the Empire Titanic that the US has become and soon enough the only ones left on board will be those human dinosaurs who have slated themselves for extinction by their obstinate intransigence.
Find your tribe (not political parties)
Connect to your tribe (your survival depends on it)
Strengthen your tribe (your future autonomy is at stake)
Humanity was meant for relationship not isolation.
"Having a soul means there is coherence between our actions and our values. The left can no longer claim this coherence."
Nicely stated. Just because the pseudo left and neo con right are more concerned about their entitlement taking refuge in their status quo sensibilities, does not require the 1-5% who think for ourselves follow their galactic stupidity.
Getting "real" is about walking one's talk.
"Having a soul means there is coherence between our actions and our values. The left can no longer claim this coherence."
Excuse me, but when did the "right" win a Nobel Prize or a ticket to heaven for having a "soul" representing coherence between their actions and "alleged" values?
Get real!
Take a playbook from the Right.
The Right's influence came -not primarily from organizing; it came from carefully constructing a Right wing communication, research and academic infrastructure such as "conservative" think tanks and foundations which constantly hold press conferences and hand out exciting and sound-bit brochures to reporters.
In turn, reporters act as transmission belts that pass the neocon propaganda through the corporate media. In conjunction, these think tanks and foundations supply network newscasts with always-wrong pundits who fart out memorable one-liners that easily stick to the listener's mind while pushing each listener's emotional buttons.
This ideological distribution operation is amplifiedby Right wing radio an TV talk show hosts (i.e., demogogues) who spice up dull mornings, afternoons and nights with fear and smear.
So, organizing large numbers of people has to go hand-in-hand with massive ideological construction project: building an alternative media infrastructure.
While this is a good story with many good points, there does'nt seem to be any mention of Cointelpro and the various other ways that power is maintained by denying any credence to ideas or people percieved as 'leftist'. There are countless mechanisms thoroughly integrated into the function of our government which discriminate against change and oppress (supress) those who advocate for it. It is when these mechanisms fail that repression and violence by the extreme right (the government elements as well as the privatized version) becomes a reality.
The left has no countervailing force and further, if it were to resort to such tactics (black bag jobs, harassment, property damage, violence etc..) it would be crushed immeadiately.
Then there is the matter of communication; the desire of the fourth estate to function critically has evaporated.
It is naive to have an analysis that does not at least mention these points. cd
@USAn
"Sorry to say, bhima, but these are rather flawed documents designed to preserve the power of propertied elites, which provide me with no moral compass I can discern."
Most of the morality that can be divulged from these documents comes from their authors utilitarian roots. Where else does the idea of "happiness" as a right of man come from?
"Stalin, Hitler, Pinochet, Suharto, Kissinger, Cheny, Christophger Hitchens etc… All use their BRAINS too - they backed their actions and barbarous policy recommendation with impeccable logic"
Sorry, but Stalin used the whole Czar myth that he should be obeyed because he was a god <---extremely ILLOGICAL yet effective at keeping power
Hitler constantly referenced old Catholic predjudices towards the Jews, and some crap he called science but NO ONE with half a brain cell would consider it science <---also extremely ILLOGICAL yet effective at keeping power
You see where I'm going here... I'm not saying some of them didn't use logical reasons (though most did not... most were just a cult of personality at best and tyrannical bastards at worse) for their attrocities. But i do think if you look closer you can see that their reasons are suspect both in logic, and if not, then they are VERY suspect on a moral or ethical standpoint. NONE of these intuitions need faith for their existence.
"But thankfully, nmost o us don'te rely only on logic. we are guided by "something else". Democracy, compassion, the golden rule, are illogical that "something else". The something is faith - and it doesn't have to come from any belief in a god or wahtever. But without a belief in some kind of first principles behind reality, one is effectively descending into nihilism."
I have no faith and am NOT a nihilist. One does not need faith to believe that democracy is an important societal tool, or that compassion is part of a well developed moral person. I think you are equivocating on the word "faith" to mean something more than it does which is: the belief or certainty in something without any evidence.
I want to DUMP the Democrats but am sicker still at the prospect of McCain getting in by default and with MSM help (naturally). FOX NOISE today had no less than Psycho-Putz Rick Santorum on ranting about Obama's 8-year-old ties to "radicals who want to hurt America...." There is NO BOTTOM to America's greedy face-stuffing sado-masochism....
The Democratic Party has never been the Left. It is one half of a duopoly that exists for the purpose of insuring that the rich ruling corporate masters always get their way. The arguments, discussions and diatribes between the Republicans and Democrats are calculated diversions, manipulation and propaganda designed to continue the same old rotten and corrupted system forever. Nothing will change as long as the hydra with two heads remains entrenched. S.O.S.
Forgive the elitism, but I get really put off by foul seventh grade potty language. Grow up and write some civilized posts. That said, turn off your computers and JOIN your local party and work so that your voice will be heard. So the right wing has tons of money. Your money is just as green, part with it. Support what you believe in by doing the grunt work. Stop whinning!
Rich Griffin April 21st, 2008 3:24 pm
My question for those of us deciding between Nader and McKinney: which one will help us more? Nader has the name recognition, but McKinney has the 3rd party I want to see grow. Nader has a better chance of getting more than 5%. This is my quandary. I wish Nader was running in a political party.
Rich, the best bet is to vote for McKinney because she is running as the Green Party candidate. In your home state of Massachusetts, if she gets 3% or more of the vote, the Greens will keep their ballot line. They won't have to petition their way back onto the ballot in 2010.
What does Chris Hedges propose, that you PRAY yourselves out of this mess?
Ha ha ha ha ha, what a bunch of fucking rubes.
Let me explain it to you from a PHYSICISTS point of view.
You have overpopulated and overextended the natural carrying capacity of the planet my an ORDER OF MAGNITUDE, primarily because of ridiculous irrational religious faith based beliefs that have no basis in reality. You are utterly dependant upon carbon based fuels to carry this excess population, which is decimating a large portion of a very thin two dimensional sheet of compost that sustains you, not to mention that little carbon dioxide problem. In order to proceed, you'll need multiple breakthroughs in condensed matter physics over the next few years, and if these breakthroughs do not materialize, you're fucked. However, because of your very same idiotic faith based belief system, you have created a generation of IDIOTS who will most likely not be able to produce the said breakthroughs, as well as a society hostile to space exploration and development, the only endeavor likely to solve your severe economic, social and environmental problems in any reasonable and rational manner.
Yet you continue to fawn over the obviously disingenuous tripe of this Chris Hedges.
Grow up, people.
Nobody that still supports the democrats, after all they done, should be calling theirselfs leftlists. Sure, there is always that option of recovering the party from inside, as some of the posters suggests. They forget the following: while this is not achieved, and there is nothing that assure us that it will, you continue to support a party that has betrayed progressive politics.
I see Chris has shaken the Sheeple tree a little too hard. All the pseudo leftists proving once again that when a point of view expresses some insight beyond their shallow range of tripe it is met with an authoritarian thunder. Chris, like those who vote outside of someone else's political orthodoxy and political box is cast down, belittled, and ridiculed. Hedges hits the nail squarely on the head. All the Sheeple marching lock need to find another shoulder to cry on. Maybe in the next life these people will grow up. But I doubt it.
… what are you, new to the planet or something ?
You people need to recognize Chris Hedges for what he is, he is not your friend he is your enemy. He is the son of a minister who is clealy running a campaign to divide and disrupt both progressives and democrats with this secular fundamentalism and 'it's all the democrats and progressives fault' crap.
From Wiki :
Hedges is currently a senior fellow at The Nation Institute in New York City and a Lecturer in the Council of the Humanities and the Anschutz Distinguished Fellow at Princeton University. He spent nearly two decades as a foreign correspondent in Central America, the Middle East, Africa and the Balkans. He has reported from more than fifty countries, and has worked for The Christian Science Monitor, National Public Radio, The Dallas Morning News and The New York Times, where he spent fifteen years.
Hedges was part of The New York Times team that won the 2002 Pulitzer Prize for the paper's coverage of global terrorism.
War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning
What the fuck is this shit? Wake up people.
Chris Hedges is an asshole and a fraud.
The left sold out...it is almost the left wing of the Repub party.
Nancy Pelosis is a joke as are many of the so-called Dems up there.
Oh to have a real Dem party.
As to the oneview person who said "Out of those ashes will rise a corporately-funded political machine that will gather the resources of the mightily rich, and that will devour everything in its path to complete domination."
Sorry that is already happening, and will continue unabated until some regulations are back in place...both parties appear to guilty of that at the moment.
The government has become a business...where the rich reap the benefits and the rest of pay for it.
I agree, the Left has no spine anymore...that or they are being blackmailed...why can't these people keep their noses clean and their morals intact...and keep what is best for America in mind, rather than the special interests and themselves.
Oh to have a Congress who wasn't worried about greed and the next election.
This failure, regrettably, is perfectly embodied in Nancy Pelosi, one of the most worthless Speakers of the House we've ever had. She has failed to drive a movement toward impeachment of the two most obviously unconstitutional Presidents and VP's in our history. She has failed to drive the eternally calculating superdelegates like Rendell, et al., toward ratifying Obama, to the point where any Democratic Presidential nominee will very likely have a Pyrrhic victory at best. And I understand she is now sponsoring a bill to allocate an additional 100+ billion dollars to continuing our idiotic Iraq occupation. How can a person like her think the world is in any way profiting from her being born? Thank God, I've been a teacher, and I have the knowledge that in some small way I'ved bettered the lives of some of my charges. I can't see any redeeming feature in her "career."
Thank you aybayb!
You are the first person who has been willing to acknowledge that voting third party this time around might mean a McCain victory but that it still ought to be done.
I'm not sure I agree with you but I applaud your honesty and willingness to say this.
Once you admit the possibility of McCain winning if progressives and leftists vote third party, then the issue arises as to what the goal of such an action is and what results it is likely to produce.
You seem to view this as a necessary but perhaps last-ditch effort at reforming the DP, correct? The idea is that voting third-party progressive en masse will send the Dems the message, "No more Republican-lite candidates or else expect to face a string of losses!"
Is that a fair interpretation of your position?
If so, I think that there are some issues that one would want to clarify along the way to being convinced to take this action, but I'd be interested in hearing more from you first.
About time we hear the truth. The Clintons
should be removed and vanished into hell, and take along all their worshipers who are feeding
at the public trough. We simply do not have any
people of integrity and dedication. Anyone that speaks up is quickly demonized. The result has been the destruction of the base of the Democratic party, the working classes.
The Tobacco settlement for instance.
I'm 100% with you, Chris Hedges. If progressives had 'bitten the bullet' back in 2000 instead of caving in to the threats of the DNC/DLC doomsayers, we wouldn't have gotten stuck with another ineffectual DNC/DLC triangulator in 2004.
We are told during EVERY election cycle that THIS is THE MOST IMPORTANT election in the history of our Republic; "wait 'til some other time to rebel against the sacred Democratic Party. If you don't vote for whatever a**hole we nominate, the sky will fall and the world will end."
Well, the sky hasn't quite fallen. All those faint-hearted chumps who ended up holding their noses and voting for the mediocre Democratic nominee might just as well have voted for Ralph Nader as it turned out. If they HAD voted their Hopes rather than their Fears, they wouldn't now be facing the grim prospect of a Hillary (who would, no doubt, continue to behave like a Republican) or an Obama (who, after you scrape away the rhetorical veneer looks very much like another John Kerry) as another in a long line of "Lesser Evils".
If the Democratic Party is to be reformed, it will only be in response to a well-publicized desertion by us on the progressive wing. I doubt that the Democratic Party CAN be reformed now that they have developed a taste for eating out of the same corporate trough as the Republicans.
As long as progressives remain loyal,hoping against hope that the Democrats might take them seriously, we're going to end up with a steady parade of candidates who will forever be bending over backwards to appeal to Republican voters...while chumping us into voting for a "Lesser Evil" every 4 years. Even if one of these Lesser Evil Democrats does win an election, progressives will STILL lose.
You've hit the nail on the head, Chris Hedges; if we on the Left don't "cowboy up" and resolve to vote for progressive candidates, in spite of all the self-serving threats the Dems throw at us, our future will be looking VERY bleak as the Plutocracy will reign unchallenged.
Vote your Hopes, people! It might, indeed, mean a McCain victory this time around; but if we don't tough it out we'll be doomed to a string of Republican presidents, and/or "Democrats" of the Lieberman ilk.
I'm curious about the use of the label "left." These are good ideas, but what makes them leftist, or progressive? Would a progressive idea be as appealing to the left (or less repugnant to a conservative) if it were adopted by a centrist? If you had to choose between, for instance, getting single payer health care passed by a democratic president or not getting it passed by a left wing president, which would you choose?
I like your values. But your values are not universally accepted. They do not work for many Americans. And since this is a republic, it makes more sense, and it is more sustainable, to have a representational government that represents all elements of the polity, in balance. It seems to me that the best person to lead this group, in balance, would be someone who is neither a leftist liberal nor a right wing republican, who can bring progress (as defined by the majority)through slow, sustainable growth.
zgoobadooba,
Thanks for stopping by the blog. If I had a counter it would now read: 000,000,001 visits! :)
As for the Scorpio thing, I thought it was funny too! With blogger you input your birthdate and your profile immediately translates it into your zodiacal sign.
I found it so amusing I thought I'd keep it--for me it conjures up some weird image of a '70s guy with a white-guy fro, hairy chest and italian horn necklace. What could be more appropriate!?!
Knappster: You've got the right idea. The federal system is so royally screwed up and corrupted here that the only real solution is to break the giant behemoth up into several manageable and less dangerous states. If there were sanity and intelligence in the United States this is the sort of thing that would be widely discussed. Instead its a quaint fringe phenomenon in Vermont and a few other places. I can imagine New England becoming one mini-nation, the pacific northwest another. Of course there is the likelihood that conflict would break out between the warlike, fundamentalist south and mountain states and the peaceable coasts and Great Lake states. Anyway the most important thing is to knock the US off its imperialist pedestal before we bring on a nuclear world war.
We are behind 126 to zero in the fourth quarter with two minutes left, with fourth down and 35 to go from our one yard line. All we need to do is find courage and come up with a good strategy and we will win. Woohoo!
There is so much wrong with the left in the US, much that has been mentioned here and much that has not. A few of the problems include:
(1) The right controls the mainstream corporate media and spews disinformation 24/7.
(2) Americans have been encouraged to "cling" to religion and guns, and naturally do as their fears mount and insecurity grows in a rapidly changing world, and associate the left with the threat to take these sources of security and comfort away.
(3) Identity politics introduces distractions and confusion that leads to non-fascists supporting fascists.
(4) Most Americans have been convinced that the failure of the Soviet Union amounted to a scientific experiment that "proved" the left was always and always will be "wrong."
(5) The power of labor unions has been waning under assault from the right and the global marketplace puts workers even more at a disadvantage.
(6) Significant numbers of workers have been sucked into the Military-Industrial Complex and depend on the MIC to earn their daily bread.
(7) Republicans are not above rigging elections and the corporate media is not above letting them get away with it.
(8) The conservative courts over the years have warped the constitution to the point it only serves to protect corporations and the ultra-wealthy.
(9) Bogeymen are easy for the corporate media to manufacture and to enlarge when necessary to frighten the public.
(10) Hierarchical organizations have certain advantages and the hierarchical right can maintain discipline and consistency much better than a group of arguing intellectuals on the left (the latter only care whether they are "right" while the latter only care whether they "win").
And on and on... The best the left can do at this stage is to try as it might to reduce the probability that the USA, particulary as it thrashes about as a dying and self-absorbed giant, creates conditions leading to human extinction, which does not seem all that unlikely at this point.
You cannot survive in a vacuum. The left of the US is no left. The people would not allow a true left. There is no support for the left so it cannot exist. The US left is center anywhere else.
We don't need revolution; we need secession. The time is long overdue to break up and Empire and to ditch liberal statism in favor of decentralization.
Democracy does not scale.
Only with small scale – including slow speed – will we achieve healthy communities living in harmony with natural limits. Until people grok the importance of scale, our politics will continue to be mostly irrelevant.
Tom Hayden and Todd Gitlin haven't been on the left for 30 years. They're barely progressive Democrats, especially the reprehensible Gitlin. Using them as examples of "the left" is truly misleading and Hedges should know better.
But I agree with Hedges and Augustine that hope must be accompanied by anger and courage--good point. Yet, why does this anger and courage necessarily have to arise from "religious" values, per Thistlethwaite? Why does Hedges think there is no other way the left can regain coherence except to start going to church, or forge the style of Christianity he prefers?
The problem with the left in the US is mainly that it is utterly fragmented and basically exists only theoretically. There is no organized left of any kind and hasn't been for 35 years. Mainly, it's an internet phenomenon, a whole of lot typing and no effective actual anything. How many of us have "signed" about 8,000 online petitions for impeachment, or to stop further war funding, or call for a hundred different types of investigations into Bush-Cheney criminality, over the past 7 years? I know I have, and I know how much good it's done. I've been to marches and demonstrations in Washington, too, and they've sure put a stop to all the Bushite crimes and chicanery.
What little left there is has been thoroughly neutralized by corporate media. We all know this. But Hedges seems to think that if we would only start praying to a tolerant, liberal, progressive God, we'd miraculously come together and overthrow the Business Party and its lapdog media. But what if there's a lot of atheists and agnostics among the fragmented left? What must they do, convert to Hedges' ultra-liberal Christianity or slink off to some obscure perdition? If we all have to either become Unitarians, or witness the country being entirely taken over by Bush/McCain fascists, I'm afraid the latter will be our fate.
of all the responses to hedge's piece, i think eric j-d's 2nd posting most hit the mark. i find hedge's stuff intemperate and even shrill--hardly worth even reading.
(btw, eric j-d, i went to your blog and am still chuckling over the fact that u felt the need to tell us that u are a scorpio) ;)
My question for those of us deciding between Nader and McKinney: which one will help us more? Nader has the name recognition, but McKinney has the 3rd party I want to see grow. Nader has a better chance of getting more than 5%. This is my quandary. I wish Nader was running in a political party. I wish the Progressive party was in more states than just Vermont. (I'm trying mightily to get it started in Massachusetts - help!) (;
Support progressive media: t.v., radio, movies (everybody go and see "Body Of War"!, just to please me!), theatre, arts - this is how we really reach persuadables!!
Support better food choices, single payer health care, vote for 3rd party candidates in municipal and state elections where progressive candidates aren't in place allready (even if it feels like a thrown away vote). We have to juggle while we build. We have to be more commited and give up on saviors such as cult leader Barack Obama.
Sorry, but I've given up on this country, I think. I went through this before, when Nixon won re-election by a landslide (D.C. & Mass. went (D)) even after the truth came out re:Cambodia and I said to myself, "Amerika gets the leadership it deserves." Well, it's only gotten worse. I'm starting to think about Cuba, or Demark, or the Seychelles.
Some thoughts. Almost 3 out of 10 people TODAY think Bush is doing a good job! I will vote for McKinney or Nader and I don't see it as wasting my vote. It sends a message. If enough people vote for 3d party candidates, that candidate may not win (this time) but given enough support qualifies NEXT TIME for federal funds and ballot inclusion and debate invites. But the system is rigged; both the (D) and (R) parties have made sure that their power is kept intact.
Obama is NOT the reason so many people are participating in this election's primaries. Eight years of Bush/Cheney/Rice (and 12 years of (R) control of Congress) have energized people. But as bad as it is, what percentage of the eligible voters are coming out? Most people are more interested in American Idol or football than health care or the environment. If the occupation in Iraq was "going well" do you really think most Americans would be opposed to it? They'll talk all day on Monday about Sunday's NASCAR race or football or baseball game or NBA draft. Mention public policy that directly affects their lives, their paychecks, their safety, or their childrens' futures, and their eyes glaze and they walk away. American's are ignorant of what's going on around the world, and No Child Left Behind is making sure the next generations are even more stupid.
Obama will give the country more compromise with the right; Hillary will move the country to the right to keep her company. Voting for either, while not as bad as McBush, is still a vote for evil.
Grumpyoldlady said: Whoever the next president is, it is up to us to hold him or her accountable and remind all of our elected officials who it is they work for.
Yeah, right! That worked so well after the '06 election. As long as the left remains chained to the (D) party and as long as Air America and The Nation ridicule Nader/McKinney/Socialist voters and as long as "leftist" pundits with media access spout nonsense such as "I'll support whoever wins the (D) nomination", well, the (D) party will continue to take our support for granted, asking us: "Who else you gonna vote for?" And we end up with a ticket like Gore-Lieberman, or a candidate like Kerry, or Congressional leaders like Pelosi, Steny Hoyer, and Harry Reid.
If grumpyoldlady is really "encouraged by the enthusiasm being generated by this election cycle, and by the number of voters, from whatever party, who are taking an interest in politics," think what it'll be like in 2012 after 4 years of McBush!
Some of the books I've read in the last year have been important, and one of the most important is one I've picked up and put down several times since its 2004 publication: Jamin B. Raskin's Overruling Democracy: The Supreme Court vs. The American People.
Raskin is a professor of constitutional law at American University. I kept putting it down because, well, Bush v. Gore is so yesterday. But the book is about so much more than that one S.C. decision. Raskin sweeps up 3d party exclusion, school desegregation, campaign finance, etc. etc. into the discussion. I highly recommend it. Just two quotes:
"Indeed, it was the court's unprincipled endorsement of a two-party system that set the stage for America's dramatic collapse into a one-party system in Bush v. Gore. After all, if they do not conform electoral process to principles of strict neutrality, what will keep the justices from aligning their judicial analyses with their partisan sympathies? If the Court can uphold the suppression of all political parties but two, why not all but one?"
"In the continuing public dialogue that is democracy, an election is more than a mechanical contest over who will take office. It is democracy's way of promoting rippling concentric circles of political debate which offer up new priorities on the public agenda. Losing Socialist Party candidates for president and Congress in the early 1900s ran dynamic campaigns that led to the more-progressive income tax, woman suffrage, the forty-hour workweek and many of the progressive reforms of the last century."
Sorry this has been so disjointed. One last thing: well said, bhima! Enough with spirituality already!
The so-called "left" lost its nerve 71 years ago when they agreed to overtax and then outlaw CANNABIS !
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Nader, McKinney or even Paul.
Or: HRC, former Wal Mart board member;
Or: BO, who supports Faith Based Initiatives, an un-Constitutional "agency" the Decider himself "created" when Congress refused.
And both keep squawking about "bipartisanship," as if there were middle ground between "with us or against us" and reality.
The proof neither possess the leadership we need: they let ABC play games instead of standing up and telling them to either stick to the issues or go f**k themselves. A real leader would have chosen option B.
"If we, the left, need some solidarity towards a moral compass, we needn't look farther than the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence."
Sorry to say, bhima, but these are rather flawed documents designed to preserve the power of propertied elites, which provide me with no moral compass I can discern.
"Belief in fairies might give someone moral direction, but it is up to our BRAINS to determine what moral direction is actually good."
Stalin, Hitler, Pinochet, Suharto, Kissinger, Cheny, Christophger Hitchens etc... All use their BRAINS too - they backed their actions and barbarous policy recommendation with impeccable logic - usually revolving around the notion that uneducated, superstitous, masses cannot possibly know what is good for them, only educated rich pepole are intellectually qualified to run the world. and the logic of such a argument is impeccable.
But thankfully, nmost o us don'te rely only on logic. we are guided by "something else". Democracy, compassion, the golden rule, are illogical that "something else". The something is faith - and it doesn't have to come from any belief in a god or wahtever. But without a belief in some kind of first principles behind reality, one is effectively descending into nihilism.
I find that the western secular-athiest tradition seems to harbor some terribly infantile notions about religion - a result of the admittedly infantile protestant-christian traditions most of them come from. Most genuinely religious people understand that their god or gods are purely human constructs - metaphors for another reality. Some, like Buddhism, have no god at all.
"...Throw the tired corrupt Vichy Democrats out on their useless butts...."
As Elizabeth I once said, "Be careful for what you wish for, since you might end up getting it..."
Put differently, best not throw the baby out with the bath water.. or better the devil you know than the bastard Repugs...Another 8 years of the same and America will become worse than a Banana Republic replete with a currency worth less than tiolet paper...