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Turn the Other Cheek, or Pop Him on the Nose?
Even if we are violent by nature, following 'the law of love' can also win the day.
In 1933, Mohandas K. Gandhi wrote this about his strategy of nonviolent activism, which he called the law of love: "The law will work just like the law of gravitation will work, whether we accept it or not.
"I think he was right. History, from ancient China and the early Christians all the way up to the dismantling of the Soviet Union and the end of apartheid in South Africa, shows that it does work. You would think that after Gandhi's uprising in India, and after the civil rights movement in a violent and hateful American South, no one would ever again doubt that fact. And yet, even today, the most common response to nonviolence, as though it has never been tried, is, "Nice idea, but will it work?"
These days, in fact, a lot of people, including some biologists, have been leaning toward a scientific explanation for why violence refuses to go away. Their argument is that human beings have a natural predilection for aggression, war and bloodshed, and that nonviolence, appealing as it may be, is completely contrary to our nature.
In biology, a field in which there is little agreement about anything, there is a growing opinion that "group conflict" has been a determining factor in the evolutionary development of numerous species, including us. Biologists prefer the term "group conflict" -- one group fighting with another -- to "warfare" because some of the geopolitical calculations of warfare are beyond what they would call natural. But still, there is a growing belief that we feel threatened instinctively and that it is in our nature to act aggressively toward other groups.
Edward O. Wilson, a leading Harvard biologist, goes even a little further, suggesting that human beings developed some of their most admirable traits -- such as courage and self-sacrifice and possibly even intelligence -- from warfare. This idea (first suggested by Charles Darwin in 1871 in "The Descent of Man") has never been widely accepted. Wilson predicts that it will catch on.
"I'm sorry to say," Wilson told me in his Harvard office, "that it would appear entirely possible that not only is group conflict -- and all that goes with it that can flare up into violence -- natural, but that we're hard-wired for it."
Wilson, an entomologist specializing in ants, rejects the view that the institutional self-slaughter we call warfare is unique to the human species. "Ants are the most violent creatures on Earth," Wilson said. "They're always at war. If you want to see an ant war, take a colony, pick it up and move it next to another colony, and pretty soon you'll see a full-scale war. I like to say if ants had nuclear weapons, the world would end in a week."
I'm not sure he's right about man's natural proclivity to violence. Nor does the U.S. military seem certain that human beings have the instincts for war exhibited by ants. Through many decades and many wars, the U.S. military has been honing its training skills, learning to take a civilized human being and turn him into a killing machine.
A traditional way of doing this was to motivate the soldier to hate the enemy and want to kill him. But after World War II, this approach was shaken by the Army's official World War II historian, Samuel Marshall, who in 1947 upset the entire military establishment with a slim book called "Men Against Fire: The Problem of Battle Command in Future War." In this book, he claimed that in World War II, at best one in four combat soldiers ever fired their weapon at the enemy, and in most combat units only about 15% of the available firepower was ever used.
Recently, I was discussing the Marshall book with two World War II veteran friends. The one who had not been in combat found the report hard to believe, but the other, who had served in the infantry in Europe, said, "I had a machine gun. I never fired the thing."
"Why not?" the other asked.
"If you fired it, they'd shoot back at you."
Many in the military challenged Marshall's findings. But military training became focused on how to improve what Marshall had called the "ratio of fire." Starting with the Vietnam War, the ratio of fire has greatly increased through training techniques that involve simulated combat -- so that the soldier acts without thinking. Soldiers today often will commit acts that they regret and will be uncertain about why they did them. In a documentary I saw recently, a confused American soldier in Iraq said he was not sure why he had intentionally run over a woman and killed her; his only explanation was that he had been taught in training to respond that way to that situation.
This, not surprisingly, creates psychological problems. Jonathan Shay, a Boston psychiatrist specializing in the trauma of Vietnam veterans, is not at all convinced of the naturalness of war. He believes that what is wrong with the combat veterans he sees is their sense that they have gone against their nature. Shay says he finds "violent rage and social withdrawal when deep assumptions of 'what's right' are violated."
Of course, what is right and what is natural are not the same thing. It is certainly possible that a soldier who kills could be doing what came naturally even if it violated a deeply ingrained -- culturally ingrained -- sense of what's "right."
I'm not sure how to answer definitively the question of whether violence comes naturally to humans. But, in any event, the problem is not those who think that warfare is natural but those who argue that because it is, it is pointless to think that it can be stopped. Wilson, despite his belief that war is natural, also believes that it is wrong. In fact, he is a long-standing pacifist.
To him, understanding that war is natural is a key to stopping it. "Instead of treating it as pathology, we should treat it as a normal human response but one that has become extremely dangerous," he said. "When you were just having a few groups of males going out and spearing one another, for a few million years or so it was not quite the catastrophic behavior that it has now become."
On the subject of war, many seem guilty of what Wilson calls "the naturalist fallacy" -- the belief that because something is in our nature, it is therefore what we ought to be doing. It is not natural to eat with a fork or wear clothes. Yet that seems to have broad acceptance.
All of civilization is the struggle to rise above our base natural instincts -- even what we are hard-wired to do. We can make ourselves better. If someone slaps you on the cheek, I think it is unnatural to turn the other cheek. The natural thing would be to punch him very hard in the mouth. But is that always the better or even the more effective thing to do?
Mark Kurlansky is the author of "Salt: A World History" and "A Basque History of the World," among other books. His most recent book, "Nonviolence: The History of a Dangerous Idea," is being published in paperback this month.
© 2008 Los Angeles Times
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Show AllSome societies are more militaristic and aggressive than others.
Is that because those people are innately and genetically more aggressive or rather is it because of the culture they have developed and how they raise their children?
There is a difference between civilized society and what happens when nations go to war.
It is possible to set up a society that discourages the kind of destructive aggression found in a war or in a people in a culture committing crimes. But the US seems to be incapable of making the kind of changes that lead to civilization. This nation is militaristic. Not only are people on the right aggressive and hateful, but the same is found on the left.
It is not unusual for Americans to want others who oppose them to be tortured or to die or to be humiliated. Americans want to punish, they want to "get" the "bad guy."
Imo the US is not a world leader in following human rights. A majority of Americans still support capital punishment and the Supreme Court has again said that killing someone is not cruel or unusual ..while the rest of the western world has outlawed the death penalty and refuses to extradite people to America if they face the death penalty. Well the death penalty is one indicator of how civilized a society is.
And this love of violence is found at all levels of US society...including academia...
You would think that maybe the human being has some more evolving to do and is not the final answer or product … especially if you believe in a creator for surely the creator wouldn't see humanity as it stands as any kind of final destination. Unless of course the creator is flawed…
There is a difference between civilized society and what happens when nations go to war.
There's also an immense difference between popping an individual on the nose and warfare. Equating individual self-defence with interventionist military action, especially pre-emptive war, is deceptive. There are also widely different levels of violence. Not only is not all violence aggressive, not all of it is murderous.
In my opinion there's nothing wrong with an individual returning some violence against an individual aggressor to dissuade them, but modern militaries are more akin to cults led by serial killers. I'd call that a pathology, like a tumor of our natural instinct for self preservation (and perhaps carnivorous appetites).
You would think that maybe the human being has some more evolving to do and is not the final answer or product … especially if you believe in a creator for surely the creator wouldn't see humanity as it stands as any kind of final destination.
It seems to me that the only way one could argue that humans are in a final form is if there is a creator. If there is no supernatural creator, then there's no way the natural process of evolution can stop.
Excellent piece.
For those interested in learning more about the field of Evolutionary Psychology, which is what is being discussed in this piece, may I recommend "The Moral Animal" by Robert Wright, and "The Tangled Wing" by Melvin Konner. Each book is fairly long, but both authors demonstrate great wit and personality throughout to make what could be a potentially dry topic eminently readable.
barely human
"There's also an immense difference between popping an individual on the nose and warfare"
I think the thought leads to the action and violence of any kind begins a cycle of violence.
(I don't want to be a hypocrit and I am very far from perfect on this...but I am talking about principles here...as a personality I have a lot to learn still.)
In Canada they are very proactive in stopping bullying in the schools and in limiting violence against children by parents. Those actions will lead to a more civilized society, a respect for other people and an aversion to using war and bullying as a way to "win".
The US is mired in the advocating of violence..its all over the internet..and on the radio ..on the tv and in the movie houses...even here at Commondreams I see nasty posts..without any content and advocating violent solutions.
Part of the problem has been the glorification of WWII ..rather than realizing what a destructive force that was. But while many nations were economically severely damaged by WWII, the US benefitted from the war because our economy was less damaged. And the US has had a very strong economy since the 1940's that may be coming to an end as Europe unifies and has programs that help their citizens like universal health care.
And now we have approx. 20% of the veterans suffering from psychological problems from fighting in a very difficult war..and those problems will impact on American society...with still more violence...
I was in the AF in Vietnam at the start of Tet 68 at Saigon when the Viet Cong came on the base which was the civilian airport.I'd had some training in shooting a carbine and could have requested one in my duties on the flightline but I refused.Sending airplanes out to kill people was bad enough for me and so shooting at anyone with a gun was to much.I'd rather have died.I was there TDY but it was an interesting 2 weeks at the begining of Tet.Tony
I'm not sure how to answer definitively the question of whether violence comes naturally to humans. But, in any event, the problem is not those who think that warfare is natural but those who argue that because it is, it is pointless to think that it can be stopped
The Los Angeles Times has to lend the military industrial complex an undeserved credibility by first scrutinizing its basis, but finally giving it a free pass with carefully insterted excuses such as "I'm not sure", and "because warfare is natural".
Describing humans as "violent by nature" is 100% logical fallacy. Do you describe a zebra as white because white is one of the two shades of the animal's coat? The Los Angeles Times, in its business of war-as-usual, spews propaganda designed to excuse ethical failure, sell filmed entertainment, entrench the MIC in US culture, and help perpetuate war without end on everything.
So get with it, people. Write letters to the Los Angeles Times editors and tell them you're not buying any more of their war-as-usual propaganda.
The Israeli military has said it will investigate the death of a Palestinian cameraman killed during heavy clashes in the Gaza Strip.
Investigate and whitewash atrocities by Jews trained for Robokill. Alas, poor Rachael and the USS Liberty - maybe the U.N. should start celebrating International Atrocity Days.
I spent over 100 days in combat with Co.E, 22nd Regiment, 4th Division during WWII, and I find Samuel Marshall's work very surprising. It certainly never occurred to me to carry a weapon and not use it, automatic or not. Yes, automatic weapons did draw fire - I carried a BAR a lot of the time - but they also put out a lot. One did not carry the BAR by preference, but that was because it was a lot heavier than the M1 rifle and would fail to function if not cleaned regularly.
So one evening we were counter-attacked while digging in. I found myself in a classic matchup: BAR against the hand grenade. They were young and inexperienced, in a Z-trench across a road. As one would stand up to look for me, potato masher in hand, I would put two or three rounds in him before he could throw it and the next would take his turn. Finally one of them threw the grenade without standing up and that put me out of action, but in the morning they found twelve corpses in the Z-trench.
I never heard anyone admit to not having fired; the subject never came up. I wonder if such testimony is credible, and whether Marshall had any other evidence for corroboration. There also could well be differences between outfits; tradition was still a factor then. The Fourth was an old-line Division, and the 22nd had at one time been led by a Colonel George Custer.
I really wonder about modern training. They tried to make soldiers of us, not crazed killing machines. "Why We Fight" parts I and II convinced us that the cause was just; I never lost any sleep because of the experience. I had problems postwar, but I was also messed up before being drafted. PTSD was invented later.
These days, in fact, a lot of people, including some biologists, have been leaning toward a scientific explanation for why violence refuses to go away. Their argument is that human beings have a natural predilection for aggression, war and bloodshed, and that nonviolence, appealing as it may be, is completely contrary to our nature.
This is a basic tenet amongst many anarchists. There are those that belief that violence is a direct product of modern society through immersive conditioning. We need to change society and remove this conditioning in order to free us of the senseless emotions of hate and anger.
The point I was trying to make is that if we are proactive and intelligent we will not be put in the situation of fighting for our lives in a war.
War is often avoidable and should only be used when we are under imminent threat.
The current administration is using war as a political tool and to gain power.
If the world (particularly Europe) had united against Hitler befroe he had gained so much power in Germany WWII could have been averted and millions of people would not have been sent to the Concentration Camps.
The thing is, the so called wars of today are not wars in the true sense of the word. In WW II, they fought enemies who could fight back, with little air support. Our wars today are fought against 3rd world armies who do not stand a chance. They are to our army what the Polish army in WW II on horses was to Hitlers tanks. Today our air support gets called in to take out any real resistance on the ground, and so there are relatively few deaths on our side. Four thousand sounds like a lot, but for 130-160,000 troops over a 5 year period, it's probably not that much more than would have been killed in training and other accidents.
My brother fought in the first Gulf War, and described it as a turkey shoot. Most of their casualties came from friendly fire, not the republican guard. After they got past the republican guards, where there was some resistance, what was left simply ran or surrendered, and many of them got taken out as well before it was recognized they were not fighting and they stopped shooting.
In Iraq and Afghanistan today, we are an occupation who maintains control by bombing houses in cities under our occupation. Otherwise known as a war crime.
Basically, we are that 6th grade bully who terrorized us 2nd graders and stole our lunch money after popping us in the nose, and then he would sit on you for a while while slapping you on the face trying to make you cry. Yup, thats what America has become. The bully's excuse might have been there were rocks in the field, and since we didn't like him, we might throw a rock at him, so he had to premptively strike to make sure that didn't happen, and continue to terrorize us so we would not do anything in the future. That's our excuse anyways.
On the other hand, if humans were "hard-wired" for violence, we'd be at each other's throats ten times a day, everyday.
But we're not. Because, unlike ants, humans have, in fact, evolved far enough to exercise a minimum of self-control.
Remember, Sun Tzu said it first: the Art of War is Winning Without Fighting!
"I'm sorry to say," Wilson told me in his Harvard office, "that it would appear entirely possible that not only is group conflict — and all that goes with it that can flare up into violence — natural, but that we're hard-wired for it."
I must disagree with Mr. Wilson. The archetype of warrior is engagement not only with conflict but the broader spectrum of life within which it occurrs. An instance of conflict occurs within and because of a disconnect with innate impulse to nurture. The art of ju jitsu allows recognition of aggression with the "hard-wired" human propensity to learn. This posits the situation with a reality existing both before and after an instance of conflict. By extending perception and perspective beyond the conflict, the capacity to interpret establishes its perspective in a 'learnable' anticipation of an agressor's actions. At least two things are accomplished - the study of how to psychologically disengage, receive and nullify aggression and achievement of sustaining one's own integrated living coherence. This also values not hurting the aggressor within which there is the potential of providing the aggressor with an experience of both the broader perspective and the failure of the aggression.
Great posts, all.
It is one thing to discuss this with a bunch of biologists, but the only conclusions they should draw, biologically speaking, is that humans are capable of almost any behavior. Capable does not mean we are innately anything, despite the social realities that may or may not exist.
The reality is that almost any behavior is changeable as well(almost). If the writer were to interview some sociologists or perhaps some anthropologists, he may find that violence is a heavily socialized behavior. It is a process that begins very early on in our culture, primarily with desensitization. Humans, males especially, are socialized to be aggressive beings. We could just as easily be socialized to be kind and loving. In many (if not most) instances, that is the case. This is highly uncontroversial stuff.
To even leave open the possibility that this violence and war is unavoidable, and we just better be happy we are not ants, is to dismiss many legitimate social scientific fields in the name of promoting an indefensible ideology, with catastrophic results.
I was musing this morning that if there are 500 million people in danger of starvation, and if we can feed them for $1 per day each, if we used the current budget for the Iraq war we could both feed everyone and efficiently undermine the anti-Americanism that has produced terrorism against us. Rice is a far more effective, not to mention moral, weapon than the cluster bomb.
Good discussion. I especially align with the points raised by RTDRURY & OFF 22. Because violence varies from culture to culture it obviously is related to socialization processes. America with 700 plus bases across the globe, a diabolical military budget, and a history of making war for pleasure, profit and predation, pushes the MARS RULES ethos onto its citizens.
ALEX LAWYER: Human solution!
Does anyone remember a story posted on CD regarding a small hotel outside of a tourist area in Africa? The basis of this story was that the babboons, known for establishing hierarchical societies with dominant aggressive males, foraged through the garbage set out back in receptacles. At one point the food there placed was heavily tainted and it killed off ALL the dominant males since they ate first! What resulted surprised those observing. The males who had been lower down the hierarchical "food chain" created very different social relationships with the females.
My point? When societies practice egalitarian values, and don't posit one group over another or create theologies that allot supposed supremacy to one sect over another, GREAT things are possible, like peace and sharing. VERY few societies have dispenses with their hierarchies. We see the wounds on a racial scale, a gender scale, an economic scale, among various religions and ethnicities... this is why I teach the powerful sanctity of the circle. It has no sides. Each "position" is inherently equal, and there is no linear presumption of who is right and who is wrong, who is on top/superior and who is inferior. These definitions that have been embedded into most cultures for generations are what predispose us towards anger, competition and violence. While these reflexes may be innate, the conditions that spur them are not!
I recall hearing a while back that Marshall made up his data.
The remarks on US military training are consistent with those of others. It is scary to think of those who crossed the boundary and killed will be among us for decades, and even scarier to think they get veteran's preference in applying for police jobs.
I suspect guilt is a significant factor in PTSD in US vets these days.
>>All of civilization is the struggle to rise above our base natural instincts — even what we are hard-wired to do. We can make ourselves better. If someone slaps you on the cheek, I think it is unnatural to turn the other cheek. The natural thing would be to punch him very hard in the mouth. But is that always the better or even the more effective thing to do?<<
My mother always told me to control my 'animal instincts'. I always thought it was her one attempt at sex education, but maybe she just wanted me to quit picking on my brother...
Interesting discussion though. I'd imagine that learned behavior trumps instinct as we get older. Self-control is a talent that seems to come with age - Or possibly fewer hormones.
The history of most civilizations follow a similar pattern of development as that of a family or even individual. However, artificial means alters that drastically, whether it is recreational drugs, accidental contamination, or deliberate tampering.
Anyone who has seen the rage syndrome in a punk using Meth, knows that personality can be deranged by the misuse, or abuse, of drugs that would be better left alone. Certainly, the history of military when it come to using drugs to achieve the perfect soldier cannot be ignored. They have used unwitting volunteers for various experiments, with no thought of the moral or psychological ramifications.
When a young person joins the military, many in the hierarchy think any action is permitted if it means he/she will be more efficient on the battlefield. God only knows what is done in the name of the greater good, mere humans sure as hell don't.
You can't even begin to explain these questions until you have an anchor in some demonstrable facts. Why were the first 2500 years of Western civilization (in Minoan Crete) the most continuously peaceful and progressive STILL on record? Technological progress, international trade and relations, male/female equality and cooperation---the most far-flung culture of the ancient world (NOT an "empire") has left us hardly a squad's worth of weapons and virtually nothing to show that they heroicized battle, kings and war. Where was the center of power in Minoan Crete? In WOMAN; in NATURE; in RECIPROCITY (something for something, the opposite of capitalism); and in CEREMONY that repeatedly bound people together amid all their differences. What is the bond that the empire of Men gave us? Competition; survival of the most violent; and profit at any cost. Good things in, good things out: Garbage in, garbage out. And this is why your imperial schools and other teachers DON'T WANT TO KNOW the facts, and keep producing gleeful killers who then discover what war really is; and that in turn is why we will run around in increasingly violent circles until we figure out where the center is and regain control of ourselves. http://ancientgreece-earlyamerica.com
I have watched children and how they interact in the US, and the boys do indeed tend to be violent. I know from my own childhood, that I often would destroy a bird's nest for no reason. A little older and I stopped doing such things.
As teenagers, we would often have conflicts with groups of kids from other neighborhoods. Our solution? We would play a game of tackle football. Almost always after the game ended, our hate/fear of the other group would dissipate. In fact, I've made some of my best friends after some initial conflict.
These days, with all the guns on the streets, it's much easier to just shoot someone.
I believe that boys in particular are more prone to violence. As to the reasons why, I ask myself how much television has to do with this propensity to violence in the US. I also have to take a look at the household and culture where a child is raised. There's certainly a connection between a small child growing up in a violent household and what that child learns about treating others.
Take away all the violence seen and experienced, I would imagine a much less violent society. No more "cowboys and indians" games. Even in other, more peaceful cultures where I have lived and taught, 3 or 4 year olds still hit each other. Once they learn that this behavior is unacceptable and they learn how to share, most of the violent behavior goes away.
In my mind, there is no doubt that there is a connection between what a young child sees and learns and how violent most of the children will be. Yet even in the most violent societies, there are the boys who are simply peaceful by nature. While they might have a brother who is the opposite.
So I come back to the old question about Nature or Nurture.
Sure, I did some cruel things to small animals as a young child, but I can't remember ever putting firecrackers up the asshole of a frog.
In the world of "natural selection", females usually will not mate with violent or destructive males. Or, finds ways to abort. Those genes are then never passed on. The community in time then becomes a more peaceful place. The bad seed dies without a legacy.
Being in the human world, females are but one paycheck one male from oblivion. That becomes the mantra for survival. I know for I have watched some of my "sistas" pick up some of the biggest most violent slime balls for mates. I believe that women are under the assumption that they can "change" him.
Women need the opportunity to "pick" better mates. Opportunity is the key word here.
>>In the world of "natural selection", females usually will not mate >>with violent or destructive males. Or, finds ways to abort. Those >>genes are then never passed on. The community in time then becomes a >>more peaceful place. The bad seed dies without a legacy.
I wish I could say that I agree with this, but I can't. Quite often, natural selection favors the genes of males who are the most aggressive and territorial. For the female, an aggressive male is one who is capable of protecting and providing for her offspring, so she rewards these traits. Combat between males for territory and females is quite common in nature, and it is not unusual for these fights to be to the death.
>>So I come back to the old question about Nature or Nurture
An alternative way of looking at this would be to consider nature AND nurture. Both play a crucial role. One of the biggest problems in discussing an issue like this is we often seem to get trapped into either/or thinking. For what it's worth, there is no doubt in my mind that humans are an aggressive, dominating, violent species. We are also kind, nurturing and loving. From a purely evolutionary perspective, all of these things must have come about due to the necessity for survival. There is a controversial theory that says that the impetus for the evolution of the human brain occurred in the Pleistocene and was caused by pressure on early humans to survive in an increasingly hostile, resource-poor environment. Protohumans of that time were not large, or strong, or fast, but they were smart and able to organize themselves (one of the traits that led to language). Under this theory, it became quite natural for humans to form into tightly integrated bands that provided resources and protection to its members, at the price of obedience to the group authority and adherence to group norms (sound familiar?). These bands were quite likely internally very cohesive and supportive, but implacably at odds with the 'others'. I'm not familiar enough with anthropology to know how well this theory holds up, but it certainly sounds plausible and helps explain the dynamics of a wide range of human groups, from nations to street gangs.
So, maybe our fundamental dilemma is how our ice age brains can survive nuclear age technology?
Civilization its self is fairly brutal, I hope no one is counting on it to change things, I see it as a cause not a solution. The very act of civilization destroys many life ways.
dgoodin, thanks for catching me in that "either or mentality." I do agree with you that both of these factors in the equation need to be taken into account. To leave out one would not give us a more complete picture.
In my opinion, nature has all of us pre progamed to fall at one point along the spectrum from non-violent to psychopathic, the feminine to the Alpha Male. After we are born, Nuture enters the picture, affecting our behavior when interacting with society.
This is why in the same family, one child can be peaceful and generous, while another family member can be prone to violence and anti-social behavior.
Nature programs each of us in a certain way, while Nurture comes into play once a child is born.
One example would be our president and his father. How do you explain the difference? While I'm no fan of either, at least the father was more of a Statesman, while the son is an egocentric, psycho/socio-pathic walking disaster.