An Open Letter to Charlie Gibson and George Stephanapoulos
Dear Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos,
It's hard to know where to begin with this, less than an hour after you signed off from your Democratic presidential debate here in my hometown of Philadelphia, a televised train wreck that my friend and colleague Greg Mitchell has already called, quite accurately, "a shameful night for the U.S. media." It's hard because -- like many other Americans -- I am still angry at what I just witnesses, so angry that it's hard to even type accurately because my hands are shaking. Look, I know that "media criticism" -- especially when it's one journalist speaking to another -- tends to be a genteel, colleagial thing, but there's no genteel way to say this.
With your performance tonight -- your focus on issues that were at best trivial wastes of valuable airtime and at worst restatements of right-wing falsehoods, punctuated by inane "issue" questions that in no way resembled the real world concerns of American voters -- you disgraced my profession of journalism, and, by association, me and a lot of hard-working colleagues who do still try to ferret out the truth, rather than worry about who can give us the best deal on our capital gains taxes. But it's even worse than that. By so badly botching arguably the most critical debate of such an important election, in a time of both war and economic misery, you disgraced the American voters, and in fact even disgraced democracy itself. Indeed, if I were a citizen of one of those nations where America is seeking to "export democracy," and I had watched the debate, I probably would have said, "no thank you." Because that was no way to promote democracy.
You implied throughout the broadcast that you wanted to reflect the concerns of voters in Pennsylvania. Well, I'm a Pennsylvanian voter, and so are my neighbors and most of my friends and co-workers. You asked virtually nothing that reflected our everyday issues -- trying to fill our gas tanks and save for college at the same time, our crumbling bridges and inadequate mass transit, or the root causes of crime here in Philadelphia. In fact, there almost isn't enough space -- and this is cyberspace, where room is unlimited -- to list all the things you could have asked about but did not, from health care to climate change to alternative energy to our policy toward China to the deterioration of Afghanistan to veterans' benefits to improving education. You ignored virtually everything that just happened in what most historians agree is one of the worst presidencies in American history, including the condoning of torture and the trashing of the Constitution, although to be fair you also ignored the policy concerns of people on the right, like immigration issues.
You asked about gun control -- phrased to try for a "gotcha" in a state where that's such a divisive issue -- but not about what we really care about, which is how to reduce crime. You pressed and pressed on those capital gains taxes, but Senators Clinton and Obama were forced to bring up the housing crisis on their own initiative.
Instead, you wasted more than half of the debate -- a full hour -- on tabloid trivia that for the most part wasn't even that interesting, because most of it was infertile ground that has already been covered again and again and again. I'm not saying that Rev. Wright and Bosnia sniper fire and "bitter" were never newsworthy -- I myself wrote about all of these for the Philadelphia Daily News or my Attytood blog, back when they were more relevant -- but the questions were stale yet clearly intended to gin up controversy (they didn't, by the way, other than the controversy over you.) The final questions of that section, asking Obama whether he thought Rev. Wright "loved America" and then suggesting that Obama himself is somehow a hater of the American flag, or worse, were flat-out repulsive.
Are you even thinking when simply echo some of the vilest talking points from far-right talk radio? What are actually getting at -- do you honestly believe that someone with a solid track record as a lawmaker in a Heartland state which elected him to the U.S. Senate, who is now seeking to make some positive American history as our first black president, is somehow un-American, or unpatriotic? Does that even make any sense? Question his policies, or question his leadership. because that is your job as a journalist. But don't insult our intelligence by questioning his patriotism.
Here's a question for you, George. Is it true that yesterday you appeared on the radio with conservative talk radio host Sean Hannity, and that you said you were "taking notes" when he urged you to ask a question about Obama's supposed ties to a former member of the Weather Underground -- which in fact you did. With all the fabulous resources of ABC News at your disposal, is that an appropriate way for a supposed journalist to come up with debate questions, by pandering to divisive radio shows?
And Charlie...could you be any more out of touch with your viewers? Most people aren't millionaires like you, and if Pennsylvanians are losing sleep over economic matters, it is not over whether the capital gains tax will go back up again. I was a little shocked when you pressed and pressed on that back-burner issue and left almost no time for high gas prices, but then I learned tonight that you did the same thing in the last debate, that you fretted over that middle-class family that made $200,000 a year. Charlie, the nicest way that I can put this is that you need to get out more.
But I'm not ready to make nice. What I just watched was an outrage. As a journalist, you appeared to confirm all of the worst qualities that cause people to hold our profession in such low esteem, especially your obsession with cornering the candidates with lame "trick" questions and your complete lack of interest or concern about substance -- or about the American people, or the state of our nation. You embarassed some good people who work at ABC News -- for example, the journalists who worked hard to break this story just last week -- and you embarassed yourselves. The millions of people who watched the debate were embarassed, too -- at the state of our political discourse, and what it has finally become, at long last.
Quickly, a word to any and all of my fellow journalists who happen to read this open letter. This. Must . Stop. Tonight, if possible. I thought that we had hit rock bottom in March 2003, when we failed to ask the tough questions in the run-up to the Iraq war. But this feels even lower. We need to pick ourselves up, right now, and start doing our job -- to take a deep breath and remind ourselves of what voters really need to know, and how we get there, that's it's not all horserace and "gotcha." Although, to be blunt, I would also urge the major candidates in 2012 to agree only to debates that are organized by the League of Women Voters, with citizen moderators and questioners. Because we have proven without a doubt in 2008 that working journalists don't deserve to be the debate "deciders."
Charlie, I'm going to sign off this letter the way that you always sign off the news, that "I hope you had a great day."
Because America just had a horrible night.
Will Bunch, a senior writer at the Philadelphia Daily News, blogs about his obsessions, including national and local politics and world affairs, the media, pop music, the Philadelphia Phillies, soccer and other sports, not necessarily in that order.
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70 Comments so far
Show AllWhy would anyone want to watch ABC when they could read the informed & enlightened, and, dare I say it, entertaining comments on Common Dreams?
Bring back sponsorship of debates by the League of Women Voters. They actually respect the electorate and the candidates and would never have allowed such dribble to take place. No commercials should ever be allowed during a Presidential debate. . .how tacky and inane.
Let's get back to having the League of Women Voters moderating the debates! When they did so in the past the debates were fair and dealt with the issues. Contact the DNC now and demand fair, impartial debates.
I'll bet the stage crew and most of the audience was thinking.... "Did those guys stink up the place, or what? Open the windows and light a match." They even booed them at the end.
This is the reason I refuse to watch mainstream television anymore! I don't like their brand of right wing propaganda and refuse to be a part of it in any way. They have prostituted ideals to call themselves broadcast journalist's over and over again. There is literally nothing that comes out of their mouths that isn't suspect of the White House having put it there. So I don't waste my time on them anymore. I keep myself abreast of what's going on in this country and world on line. I know who I am going to vote for President. Republican's aren't an option anymore. So where is the point in even lowering myself to listening to it???????
Let's have a presidential debate with Obama, Clinton and McCain - hosted by Bill Moyers.
Here, here! Now that would be a real debate!
Does anyone remember the "Swift Boat Vets", the group founded by John O'Neill from Bush's personal Texas law firm?
Very little was ever said in the Press about the fact that Nixon had recruited O'Neill to attempt to discredit John Kerry back in the early '70's and Kerry had made O'Neill look like a liar and a fool on National TV in 1971. (One of O'Neill's partners had been Lt. Governor of Texas under Bush, another had been appointed to the Commerce Department by President Bush.)
Very little was ever said about the fact that John Kerry's C.O. had not only filed glowing reports on Kerry during Kerry's Vietnam service, but that he had also campaigned on Kerry's behalf during at least one Congressional election!
Vast quantities of false information about Kerry and his wife were circulated on the Internet and very little was ever done by ANYONE to refute those false stories so the public is still circulating some of them!
Anyone with enough interest and a minimum of Internet experience can track the roots of the story about "Al Gore Inventing the Internet", only to find that his words were twisted by an Internet "reporter" for NewsMax. Al Gore DID, in fact, take the initiative in getting the government to FUND the creation of the Internet from the original system known as ARPAnet because he saw that the Internet had vast possibilities in exchange of information and data.
Vast quantities of false information about Al Gore were circulated on the Internet and very little was ever done by ANYONE to refute those false stories so the public is still circulating some of them!
So now we come to the Presidential Campaign of 2008... and those nameless, faceless purveyors of muck are alive and well... spreading manure about Obama and Hillary Clinton in massive quantities this time!
"Obama is a closet Muslim", out to take over America in the name of Osama bin Ladin... "some mysterious rule in the Muslim religion prevents Obama from Pledging Allegiance or wearing flag pins", despite the fact that Muslims around the world gladly wave their own flags... "Obama supported the Weather Underground", despite the fact that Obama was 8 years old and living in Indonesia when the Weather Underground was active...
Of course William Ayers, once a memeber of the Weather Underground is now a highly respected businessman who is active in many worthwhile charitable projects in the Chicago area today... much like Bobby Rush, once one of the principles in The Black Panthers is now a respected member of Congress.
Every time I see another example of how gullible so many Americans are, it makes me cringe...
This plethora of dis-information has been spread by a battalion of snake-oil salesmen, helping this administration drag us kicking and screaming to the very brink of the abyss.
People like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, William Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Norman Podhoretz, Douglas Feith and Joe Scarborough to name just a few... have been the cheerleaders for the policies that have nearly bankrupted America... gotten us into a never-ending war... and allowed the environment to deteriorate to desperately toxic levels.
...and now?
After the Philadelphia Debate, we can add Charlie Gibson and George Stephanapoulos to the list!
Charlie and George rubbed our faces into the realization that we are no longer entitled to be called Citizens. Our rightful role is Consumer, and has since even since before our MBA president told us to go out and shop after 9/11.
This equine intercourse, theatre of the absurd, Bevis and Butt-Head marathon masquerading as a political debate is emblematic of the sorry state of corporate pseudo-journalism these days. Just when you think it cannot get any worse it does. What a disservice to the American people. Makes one want to upchuck.
Geez...why not have Jerry Springer and Maury Povich host the next debate?...Jerry they could have Bill come on and confess to Hillary that he is having an affair, and Maury could test Obamma for paternity...maybe Geraldo could drop by and start a chair fight?
One of these two shill moderators insinuated that tax receipts have gone up as a result of Bush lowering the capital gains tax rate. While it's true that tax receipts are up, the reason is because Bush has injected $4 TRILLION of borrowed money into our economy. THAT has raised GDP and tax receipts. But we also owe that money back to its sources: communist China and Saudi Arabia (home of the 911 hijackers), who now own a large piece of the American pie. The capital gains tax at its previous rate during the Clinton years produced growth in the GDP, higher tax receipts and a balanced budget... without enslaving us to communists and terrorists as Bush policy has done. These ABC moderators couldn't be any more biased, self-serving and shallow. The network should apologize for this sham of a debate and take appropriate actions against the perpetrators.
I have to admit I watched the debate minus the ads so my review may be biased by it.
But my progressive friends don't be so upset:
1. Give ABC some credit for taking the gloves off, they succeeded in doing this one differently - and if you don't think the questions were relevant maybe you are not a middle income high school level education Pen-voter.
Quoting my mom: - maybe you've gotten too smart for your own good.
2. Yes - the questions were 'Republican-like' and this is something Independents and my Republican friends liked, but should not the Democratic nominee be ready to answer and expecting these type of questions in the general race?
3. There is a difference between Clinton/McCain or Obama/McCain - let's be clear on this. Mysogeny trumps racism (since racism still has to hide in polite company) but let's not be so hateful of Hillary - your really don't know her as well as Axelrod would like. If you don't vote Democrat you are supporting Bush's policies.
This only demonstrates that the Fox gang ( the Hillary group included)and the ABC gang are scared as hell of an Obama in the control of the White House. Huge losses in LOBBYING money . The old fashioned way of campaigning using plenty of dirt . Lying to the voters . Mr Carter was trying to clean up a real mess he inherited and halted some of the programs put in by his predecessor which included some of the free trade incentives for US corporations . That is one of the main reasons why the corporate media even today has tried to paint him in a negative light . If he had been in the White House for another term we may be independent of foreign oil today . But the lies , the distortions of the truth , the ridicule , and all of the same crap we hear now from the hired guns of the corporation media got inside our heads and we voted in the distruction of our old way of life . Unfortunatly many of us will drink this swill again and wouldn't realize we've been had until the pain hits us in the back side .
Thanks Mr. Bunch.
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Looked more like Gandhi and 3 members of the Inquisition
While I share some of the pessimism of other posters here in not expecting the mainstream media to change, I sent a letter to the ABC execs above because I think it is important to behave in a way that reflects the kind of world you'd like to bring into being even if you don't expect to see it.
So here's my letter:
To ABC:
The ABC "debate" confirms that today the media exist to manufacture both the so-called "important issues" and the "interest" that "average Americans"--another media-created fiction--have in them. The notion that somewhere out there there are so-called "average Americans" who care deeply about the "issues" that occupied the first 50 minutes of last night's debate is a deeply entrenched but ultimately illusory media myth. It has as much substance as Obama's claim that working-class people are more likely to become fixated on cultural issues like god, guns and immigrants than other voters.
In fact, traditional media today creates the "audience" it claims to be merely responding to as well as the "issues" that "audience" purports to hold dear.
What the ABC debate demonstrated more than anything else was how fully traditional media have entered (and in fact reproduced) a kind of Baudrillardian simulacrum, a wholly simulated existence complete with simulated audience, simulated issues, and simulated thoughtful probing of those issues.
Meanwhile the bodies pile up, the debt mounts, the earth becomes more and more toxic while we wait for some irruption of the Real into our mediated landscape.
That's a long way of saying what you've probably heard a lot of today: that ABC really disgraced an already disgraceful mainstream media environment in its handling of the debate. It's quite an achievement to do something that lowers the already dismally low journalistic standards that obtain today, but you managed to do it.
I have little confidence that any criticism of last night's tawdry affair will actually sink in, but I offer it anyway. You and the other networks have done a pretty effective job of sealing yourselves inside a hermetic environment that filters out most criticism. The late Niklas Luhmann described this as the tendency of all social systems to become increasingly informationally-closed, a phenomenon to be lamented profoundly when the system in question purports to be a news agency.
Signs of this tendency are already appearing. I've already heard reports that George Stephanopoulos has tried to deflect criticism by claiming that people are simply upset that he and Charlie asked "tough questions."
These were not tough questions; they were insipid ones. While Eliot's point that "human kind cannot bear very much reality" is no doubt true on some level, Stephanopoulos, Gibson and the rest of the folks at ABC should really try confronting the reality that this "debate" was a debacle and that responsibility for that fact rests squarely on your shoulders.
Reading the above article and all the posts that followed just affirms my decision to get rid of the TV 12 years ago. It's a wasteland folks. Turn it off.
Crazy is doing the same thing over and over yet expecting a different outcome. All I need to know about the Corpstream media I can get by catching a few minutes of news at an airport or in one of my kid's homes. Don't consume garbage and expect it to taste like gourmet cuisine. You will never get anything of substance from Corpstream media--anything that is except substantive amounts of crap!!!!
WHat's new? Good thing for me is that I have stopped watching TV since quite a while and of course I don't follow this circus disguised as debate.
If you have been watching this junk then you should have your head examined.
The two morons are actually convinced that the debate was a great success because so many people hated it.
Just like Bush and company, the US mainstream media has no respect for public opinion - they think if Obama's people are criticizing the debate, they must have done a good job. They are too stupid to even understand the point we are making. The comment George S. made was that 'we asked tough questions'.
These guys are not journalists, they are hacks who should only work for the tabloids.
the 2 biggest support for any democrat candidate is first.. the BOSS.. !! bruce springsteen the blue collar workers IDOL the one that they trust more than anyone..... and the next is jimmy carter and BOTH these are supporting obama...
and since the BOSS is so beloved in PA.. and the dem gov rendell going against the BOSS the gov is now shaking like a leaf.. cause he can see how his career in politics as a democrat is over !!
the biggest supporters of the working class are the BOSS and jimmy carter and now they are pointing to obama for all the working class to follow..and sn bob casey of pA also is high up on the working classes list of most trusted!!
no one should trust the media who is owned by the robber barons and who are trying to make slaves out of WE THE PEOPLE.. its just plain stupid to think the media is NOT trying to help their owners
just maybe the common enemy of all middle and lower class will finally be highlighted.. follow the money... and who owns what... so the media is the enemy of the middle and lower class..
the mods should have asked the 2 most important questions who did and who did not agree to go to war.... and also explain the healt care plan of hillarys.. many think its like europes where the rich is taxed to pay for it.... NOPE its more like the wal-mart corporate plan where the workers pay the ins out of their already lowered wages.....
actually hillarys health care plan is a way to HEAD OFF the biggest harm to the rich the health care plan like europes.. this is what the mods should have explored.
heck i even i thought the healh plans was gonna be paid by higher taxes on the rich .. when it came out in dribs that hillary will garnish workers wages to pay the ins then i finally knew... all people should know hillarys health plan is NOT like europes or canada but a plan to HELP the corporate world and to head off the harmful plan that taxes the rich...
uglyness in the media and the govt ...
I kept waiting for them to ask the really important question of the day:
"Senator Obama, is it true you've been urging Senator Clinton to abort your love child?"
I guess they ran out of time.
Wait a minute... that was Charles Gibson?? I thought it was Brit Hume! Who can tell nowadays?
As a Kucinich supporter, I have to say that Obama actually looked presidential last night. He could have gotten down in the dirt with Hillary, Charlie and George and exposed her as the liar that she is, and yet he chose to show his disdain for such tactics. Hillary acted like a catty sorority girl. By the way, where was her lapel pin?
Bob and Chuck are not journalists!
I keep trying to tell you: Life is too damned short to waste it on the idiot box. I have yet to read about a debate since the 1st one with Nixon and Kennedy [which was effective] that allowed anyone to learn anything about any candidate that they didn't already know!
Any time politicians spend hours practicing for their big night on TV, you know the propaganda is going to be deeper then the water in the 9th Ward during Katrina.
Yes, shame on CBS and the media for allowing themselves to be caught in such a compromising position. But shame on all the people who wasted a perfectly good evening watching a commercially sponsored political debate. Lets see, should I buy Tums because it sponsored part of the debate, and I like candidate XXX? What a load of BS.
The TV media moguls aim at the lowest common denominator, and damned if they don't hit it most of the time.
Turn off the TV and read a good book. Grow orchids, raise dogs, distribute anarchist literature to your neighbors, but quit watching artificial life instead of living it!
I am 70, and there are too many things I still want to do. I want to go back to Cuba. Then there is Venezuela and Brazil. I have hours of fantastic Latin Jazz to enjoy. Why would I turn on George What's0His-Face and that other guy torment a couple of wannabees?
For the most part, the major networks are not in the business to educate or inform people, they
are in the intertainment business. Can you imagine Walter Cronkite asking Obama why he didn't
have his flag pin on?
My letter to ABC today:
ABC,
The acronym that your corporation uses could also easily define the mentality of your handling of the debate last night. It was elementary at best, disconnected, disserving, and down right insulting to me as an American citizen. I've long been skeptical of your programming over these trying Bush years, but last night was the final straw. No longer do you embody American principles, instead you're true loyalties are obvious, you serve special corporate interests and not the people. It really is shameful what you have done to a news organization with such a proud tradition. So, with this letter I bid you farewell, never again will I view your channel.
Click.
To characterize Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos as "media" is in keeping with their white inside-the-belt-way recycled tripe. Nothing could be further from the truth. Gibson is a talking head opportunist who got his slot via tragedy and was past over the first time for a true journalist. You won't see Gibson traveling to Iraq any time soon like the real journalist whose place he stole. As for George that kid is a joke who throws softballs all day long on another white status quo show. Back in the Sixties there were real journalist doing real reporting on real issues. Now their corporate handlers say jump and these clowns as how high. Poor George has got his nose shoved so far up the Clinton rectum, he has not seen the light of day since he smoozed his way into his current job. With the exception of Bill Moyers journalism is pretty much nothing more than a tool of corporations of which Gibson and George are an integral part of everything that is wrong with this country: opportunists who sold out a long time ago.
Big surprise. Stephanopoulos and Gibson are out of touch. Only another journalist would find this surprising. My god, those two assholes and most of their counterparts in big media are every bit as bad as the politicians they pretend to interview and question in these fraudulent "debates." I haven't read the other comments, so I'm sure others here have said the same thing. We know this without being subjected to the shock and outrage of a journalist, although at least Bunch has the integrity and character to experience outrage at what's been a commonplace among these beltway millionaire pundits and anchors for countless years. Gibson cares only about capital gains protections for him and his class of cynical beltway greedheads. Stephanopoulos wants status quo Clintonism to return to Washington. Maybe he'll be Hillary's press secretary. Or McCain's, what's the difference? None of them gives a flying crapola about ordinary, sub-millionaire folks like us, in PA or anywhere else. I just wish I could muster up some outrage, or at least feel "embarrassed." I'm working on it. Maybe I should call ABC and express SHOCK over it. That'll make heads roll!
Thank you Will, you showed your intelligence but alas it will be wasted on the likes of Charlie and George.
That wasn't a debate, it was a debacle. I kept flipping the channel because the questions they asked were beneath the dignity of a five year old, especially that outrageous question asking Obama if he loved the flag. (I think I'm going to barf), when I flipped from that embarassing charade, I found the Dr. Phil show and lo and behold it was just like what I left. Amazingly similar except Dr. Phil showed more class than Charlie and George.
I agree that all future candidates should refuse to debate unless its the Women League of Voters hosting the debate. Obama will still lose Pennsylvania, but he can hold his head high while Charlie, George and Shillary slink off into the dank dark cave from whence they emerged.
What would you expect from news flunkies who kept their jobs while the honest ones either quit in disgust or were fired from their positions for failure to be a corporate lickspittle?
The tragedy is that the damage done from that debate can't be undone. Words can't even express my utter disgust for the MSM, and not just ABC. I literally can't stand to watch anymore because it gets my blood boiling every. The media is destroying our democracy. They consistently focus on the inane while ignoring what's really important. They in fact will decide on the next president, and have clearly made their decision. They fawn all over John McCain. There are so many troublesome issues swirling around McCain, yet they all get ignored. Can anyone imagine John McCain, or any Republican, being treated with the same level of disrespect given to Senators Obama and Clinton last night? I'd still like to know if there's a connection between ABC breaking the torture memo story, which I'm sure infuriated the White House, and their shameful performance last night. I know we'll never get a straight answer, but it begs the question.
What do you expect from the American Nazi war machine? Goebbels would have loved it.
George and Charlie were not wearing flag pins, How can these two un-american people be on TV?. Fox
should offer to double their salaries.
By the way, GREAT LETTER, Will Bunch! I only hope they read it.
I've long since given up on the corporate media. The corporate media along with it's robots, Charlie Gibson and Stephanapoulos, are practicing FASCISM. It is a joke because the people have no choice in the presidency. Our votes are a joke because the person who takes this 'office' has already been decided.
I still retain hope, though, that journalists like Gibson and Stephanpoulos will be hauled to court the same way they were during the Nuremberg Trials. And they will be punished severely for aiding the US in becoming a Fascist state. I still hope for that. And I hope all these 'journalists' like them are still alive so we can all see JUSTICE for once in this country. A country where the office of the 'presidency' has been destroyed beyond recognition.
Everyone should do as JaneM suggested. I too was furious over the so-called debate. I emailed everyone on that list. You should too. I feel so much better now. Nothing will change, but they know how I feel.
How dare the USA be critical of media standards of other nations when it clearly is not itself. The USA is critical of media practices in nations such as Iran and Venezuela yet the USA does not allow every voice to be heard. This is a prime example of USA hypocrisy.
bojanglesA1 (2:51) -- Actually, it's NBC (not ABC) that's owned by GE.
But it hardly matters. All the corporate media are basically the same. In some ways, the NY Times is even worse & more poisonous than FOX, because the propaganda is set forth more insidiously.
Did anyone REALLY think that here was going to be any substantive value of a "debate" on "main stream" network TV??? I didn't waste a minute looking at it.
"The Boss" is someone that I should listen to concerning the upcoming (s) election??!!! LMAO- that's about as funny as the endorsement bush got from Britney-Train Wreck-Spears in 2004!! Equally ludicrous are the shills shrieking that "their" candidate is not playing along with this dog/pony show.
It's becoming more and more like a Tidy Bowl man commercial; we are all in a raft, the water is already swirling. Any moment it will all go down the drain and we will be buried in the bushit in the sewer system that Amerikkka has finally revealed itself to be.
when the mods ask about obamas association with his pastor that said something bad about ameria... a nuetral moderator would then ask the same question to hillary about her association with somneone that abused the presidentcy and abused a young intern girl and lied to the american public boldly.... by not doing that the mods should have been carried off by the audience...
abc is owned by GE and GE is owned by the rich robber barons who tricks and brainwashes to make WE the people their slaves..... this is what our wise founders fought against all the wealth and power with the few the kings of england....
lets WE the people come together against these people that has destroyed our wise and brave founders country and back to what the founders fought and died for....
how do we come together and fight.. first find people that are TRULY trust worthy and follow who they say to elect... one of these is THE BOSS bruce springsteen and the other is jimmy carter.. when BOTH these people edorses a candidate we the people should follow in mass .... the BOSS and carter both support obama... so its OBAMA is the one we should support also..
someone should make a list of all the companies that GE owns and boycott everyone of them... ALWAYS !! cause we now know THEY are proven enemies of WE the people!! and if we do this then the other robber baron owners will start to do better...
WE THE PEOPLE!!!!!
Response from George and Charlie:
Sorry, we're so busy opening those Disney checks with the seven figures we don't have time to respond to your letter.
See y'all at the country club!
Signed,
Mulimillionaires who do only what they're told,
George and Charlie.
To Kane51:
I'd like to think so too, but we'll have to wait and see.
I'd be interested in seeing whether the network addresses the fact that its lousy handling of the debate has generated close to 16,000 responses on their website, most of them quite critical.
If they really were in the business of reporting the news (rather than manufacturing public "interest" in non-issues), then this would certainly rank as a newsworthy item.
I watched the live comments on ABC's website last night during the debate, and the negatives from viewers of all stripes were loud and long.
So, this isn't just the reaction of CD readers to this debate debacle.
Could there possibly be a "shift" in public consciousness building against the media? It seems that even their endless coverage of any candidate's missteps isn't having as much of an impact on the polls as these corporate shills would like. I would like to think their power is slipping.
Did ya notice the commercials on this travesty?
Diarrhea and heartburn stuff. Maybe there was something "mystical", since we all suffered heartburn when watching this "stuff".
I remember when Charlie Gibson got butt slammed by George W Bush back in the 2000 election circus. I believe it was 2000 but perhaps it was 2004. He was supposed to limit each candidate's response time but W stepped all over Gibson and little Charlie didn't have the balls to stop him. I lost all respect for him and I ain't liked his sniveling little ass ever since. I did not see this debate but it does not surprise to hear the complaints about the moderators performances. It's another sad day in journalism when bozo's such as these two waste our precious time with inanities. I'm glad I didn't watch…
Jerry Springer could have done a much better job. I agree. This was disgraceful. Even the National Inquirer could have given us a better discussion of issues than these two Bozos. ABC should be ashamed. It had a great chance to participate in getting at some of the issues that are bringing our country and its citizens to their knees, but chose tabloid trivia instead.
Today's moaning about ABC is rather silly. The American media is always exactly like this, and has been that way for decades. Even on nights when the vulgarity & God/guns/gays/flag/Britney stuff are less blatant, the US media always functions on the same principles that were so vividly on display last night.
This sudden revulsion with ABC is similar to liberals' horror over George W Bush. The truth is, Bush is not that different from his predecessors (& could never have done it, without the Democrats' full complicity). Worse, yes; and more blatant; yes. But in many basic ways, just a continuation of what came before him. And the country had to be plenty rotten to begin with, to ever allow a criminal gang like this to seize power in the first place; and to be unable to throw them the hell out, even when they had the chance, in 2004.
VOTE NADER.
The debate was exactly at the level of Democratic voters, what did you expect?
I can't wait for a Hillary win at the convention and President McCain in November. Hail to 100 more years of war!
My letter to ABC:
To ABC, Charles Gibson and George Stephanopolis:
If anyone is "out of touch" with Americans...it is you! I watched less than 1 hour of your broadcast of the presidential "debate" before I had to turn it off out of sheer frustration and disgust. At a time when our country is facing monumental issues demanding urgent action, you choose to spend valuable time with presidential candidates discussing trivial and ridiculous matters.
You insult the intelligence of American voters when you assume that we would rather listen to quibbling over the semantics of a candidate rather than to hear the intent of his or her message. That we care about name-calling and stone-throwing between candidates, while we are mired in a perpetual, lethal, costly occupation in Iraq and facing economic meltdown at home. That we care about flag pins more than foreclosures, and sermons more than healthcare, education and unemployment.
The role of the media is to keep the public informed so we can make intelligent decisions, and you are failing miserably. As we move towards one of the most important elections of our lifetime, your endless analysis of poll results and focus on the trivial and the sensational is destroying the election process, if not democracy itself. You should be embarrassed and deeply ashamed of your performance last night. It was a total disservice to your viewers and I intend to make my opinion known to your corporate sponsors.
I think I've discovered a more succinct way to describe my experience of yesterday's "debate."
I can now say, along with Iggy Pop, that "of course I've had it in the ear before."
Never mind the absurd questions . . . .
What is this about that a debate for the election of the President of The United States was interrupted for commercials . . . .
Commercials folks . . . . Are you paying attention?
This was a program designed to sell you something and it was not designed to sell you a president. It was set up to sell you more products from corporations.
I wrote to ABC today to say "bye-bye", I won't be watching George S on Sundays anymore, Cokie and Georgie Will and all those in touch Americans will just have to wax ridiculous without me. It's heartening to know millions of people are disgusted, maybe something here will shift. Obama did try very hard to bring the level up, but it was three against one. What a waste of time for us all, except Hillary did say "yes, yes, yes" about Obama's being qualified to be president. That's the one good thing that came out of this charade of "journalism".
You go, Will. I couldn't even watch, I kept going back and forth because it was so disgusting. I sent emails to all of the ABC execs as well. Here is the list:
Natalie.J.Raabe@abc.com,
aberke@constitutioncenter.org,
feedback@abcnews.go.com,
newsradio@abc.com,
cristi.d.landes@abc.com,
wayne.fisk@abc.com,
jeffrey.t.fitzgerald@abc.com,
heidi.b.oringer@abc.com,
jonathan.m.newman@abc.com,
joyce.a.alcantara@abc.com,
james.f.kane@abc.com,
andrew.l.kalb@abc.com,
robert.garcia@abc.com,
peter.salinger@abc.com,
steve.jones@abc.com,
Here's what I said:
Last night's dog and pony show disguised as a debate was disgraceful. The American public is clamoring for real discourse, and you offer us still more questions about trivial events that are only newsworthy because Hillary Clinton and her camp won't let them go.
Shame on you! I am getting sicker and sicker of the mainstream media. As our government turns towards fascism in so many ways, you continue to try to titillate us with garbage. Where is the real reporting? Why aren't we hearing more about the trouble this country is in?
The 'news' in America is entertainment for the elite and propaganda for the rest. Professional wrestlers and mainstream media whores are in the same game. America is a fraud.
Hao binh
Apparently some of the Supers were as disgusted as much of the electorate after last nights debacle..One Clinton Super switched sides today and another undecided has thrown support to Obama...I think the backlash on this is going to hurt Hillary...deservedly...
Nobody was "out of touch" last night. Not the "moderators". Not ABC. They did precisely what they were paid to do.
Karl Rove may have relocated his Ministry of Truth, but it is still scripting the country's narrative, and K Street is still funding its distribution.
That was a "debate" in the same way George W. Bush is "leader of the free world."
BTW, at some point in his life, Rev.Wright loved America enough to serve as a U.S.Marine. Personally, I'd had enough of Georgie & Charlie after that question.
And the race to the bottom continues ... BTW, no matter who manages to sink the lowest, FOX has already won ...
Oh, come-on, Charlie and George are much to busy to prepare for a mere presidential debate. What idiots!
Let's have a presidential debate with Obama, Clinton and McCain - hosted by Bill Moyers.
That George (a former Clinton White House insider) should have even appeared on the broadcast was an abomination. He should have recused himself. And did anyone notice that the first commercial break came within 3 minutes of the beginning?
It was an embarrassment for the candidates, for the profession of journalism, for the American voters, and it might even have embarrassed Canada and Mexico for having to live next to a country that can do no better than this.
This was supposed to be a Democratic debate. Clearly, ABC is extremely out of touch with Democratic values and the issues that are important to Democratic voters. What an embarrassment for them. And for us. Shameful. Harmful. Pathetic. Empty.
We should urge Howard Dean to be cautious about promoting Democrats in such a hollow venue. Democrats cannot shine in an environment where no substance is allowed. Only John McCain can do that.
Sir, what did you (really) expect?
What a tragedy for the American People the debate was! Too much time spent on distractions. ABC sank to the level of Fox "News" on this one. Obama kept trying to pull the questions out of the gutter, but Charlie and George appeared too dense to recognize that he was giving them an opportunity to save themselves. No wonder people are bitter! After about 45 minutes of that, I gave up.
Charlie and George succeeded in looking like fools themselves with their stupid line of questions, and in the process, made both Hillary and Barack look pretty good. Their "gotcha" game backfired on them.
Perhaps I have become inured to that line of questioning due to the sunken level of journalism today, but in some ways it was good to drudge up the crap for another opportunity for Obama to show how irrelevant that sort of stuff is. Man he was eloquent and deep in his rhetoric. It was interesting watching Ms Clinton realizing how completely outclassed she was. If we don't elect Obama we will deserve all the things that come our way. At least if we elect him and it turns out that it's too late to recover from the Bush years we can tell ourselves that at least we tried.
It makes you want to throw up. 4 millionaires. One of the questioners was the right-hand man for the Clintons. Stupid tabloid questions like the flag pin. Are they all huffing gas on the campaign trail?
Heads should definately be re-arranged.
Charlie and George were trying to bring the debate down to a level which could be understood even by Clinton supporters and Hillary was auditioning for a new Jerry Springer type show on Fox.
Very painful to watch. Tim Robbins is right. Best moment of the night was when they were asked if they would be each other's VP and you could hear the crickets...
Heads should roll on this one.