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Global Warming Has a New Battleground: Coal Plants
WASHINGTON -- Every time a new coal-fired power plant is proposed anywhere in the United States, a lawyer from the Sierra Club or an allied environmental group is assigned to stop it, by any bureaucratic or legal means necessary.
They might frame the battle as a matter of zoning or water use, but the larger war is over global warming: Coal puts twice as much temperature-raising carbon dioxide into the atmosphere as natural gas, second to coal as the most common power plant fuel.
The plant-by-plant strategy is part of a campaign by environmentalists to force the federal government to deal with climate change. The fights are scattered from Georgia to Wyoming, from Illinois to Texas, but the ultimate target is Washington, where the Bush administration has resisted placing limits on carbon dioxide and Congress has yet to act on a global warming bill.
The campaign against new coal-powered plants has infuriated utilities, which say the environmentalists' tactics are an abuse of the regulatory and judicial systems. They are counterpunching with ads, lobbying and court briefs of their own, bringing the clash over coal to a pitch that rivals the environmental and legal fights over nuclear power decades ago.
The environmental coalition, which includes the Natural Resources Defense Council, Environmental Defense Fund and Environmental Integrity Project, claims 65 victories over the last three years. The Sierra Club is coordinating opposition to about 50 additional power plant proposals.
"We have a national presence, so we're sort of mission control," said Pat Gallagher, director of the Sierra Club's environmental law program.
The goal: "We hope to clog up the system," said David Bookbinder, the Sierra Club's chief climate counsel. "It's putting pressure on Congress to put together a comprehensive plan."
Utilities and industry groups acknowledge that the environmentalists have been responsible for stopping some coal plants that otherwise would have been built. But the number is "nowhere near" 65, said Jeff Holmstead, a former EPA official who is now an industry lobbyist.
The partners in the anti-coal crusade are picking fights over any and all generators that use coal "regardless of merit," said Brendan Collins, a lawyer in Philadelphia who represents utilities and power plant developers. "They are doing it in a way that is unfair."
Since a meeting in Washington last summer, the partners in the anti-coal crusade have been focusing more squarely on carbon dioxide emissions in their local skirmishes, hoping to create precedents for dealing with a pollutant that is not federally regulated.
Their first high-profile victory came in Kansas last October, when state regulators denied a request by Sunflower Electric Co. for an air-quality permit for two 700-megawatt generators that would run on coal in the town of Holcomb.
The Sierra Club petitioned the state's health and environment secretary, Roderick L. Bremby, to deny the air-quality permit on grounds of carbon dioxide emissions.
"I believe it would be irresponsible to ignore emerging information about the contribution of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases to climate change and the potential harm to our environment and health if we do nothing," Bremby said at the time.
Ever since, the state courts and Legislature have been haggling over coal and carbon dioxide in Kansas, and Sunflower has been unable to proceed.
Nick Persampieri, a Denver-based attorney for the environmental law firm Earthjustice, represents the Sierra Club in opposition to the Sunflower plant. He works closely with the Sierra Club's Kansas chapter. "You could argue that power plants harm everyone all over the country, but we always have somebody local to help us get standing" in court, he said.
Bookbinder is the Sierra Club's point man against a proposed power plant on tribal land in Utah, a case that shows the scope of the anti-coal push.
Usually he focuses on big-picture, national litigation from his Capitol Hill office. Bookbinder was one of the original petitioners in last spring's landmark Supreme Court decision that the EPA has authority to regulate carbon dioxide as a pollutant. But when he found himself with a block of free time last fall, he told Sierra Club headquarters in San Francisco, "I'll take a coal plant."
He received this mission: Halt a project by six electric cooperatives that run the Bonanza generator on the Uintah and Ouray Indian reservation. The co-ops, operating as Deseret Power, want to add a new unit with the capacity to manufacture 110 megawatts of electricity, about a fifth the capacity of the average power plant.
Bookbinder spied a big opportunity in the small project. Because the Bonanza plant is on property held in trust for Indians by the U.S. government, it was the Environmental Protection Agency, not a state, that issued the permit allowing the co-ops to proceed.
Bookbinder persuaded an administrative appeals board to consider overruling the EPA's permit on the grounds that it would vent more than 3 million tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere each year. Oral arguments are scheduled for late May, and a decision is expected near the end of the summer.
If Bookbinder is successful, a ruling would affect any project that comes before the EPA, which has permitting authority for power plants in eight states, all federally owned land, Puerto Rico, Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands.
Deseret's lawyer, Steffen N. Johnson, declined comment.
But this time, industry groups are jumping into the fray in a big way. "Where it's going to be precedential, we will be getting involved," said Russell Frye, who filed a half-inch-thick brief last month that supports the power plant on behalf of seven powerful trade associations, including the American Petroleum Institute, Chamber of Commerce of the United States, the American Chemistry Council and the National Assn. of Manufacturers.
Various business groups are discussing how to handle the environmentalists' challenges in a more comprehensive way, but industry sources said their members have such a wide range of positions on climate change that it's been difficult. Some suggest bringing conspiracy charges against the environmentalists if they can find instances in which the national groups recruited locals to allow them to file legal papers that they couldn't have filed otherwise. But "no one has the guts," said one industry lawyer.
Instead, Collins and two law partners wrote an article for the spring 2008 issue of the American Bar Assn.'s natural resources journal, advising clients to build in schedule and budget delays due to litigation -- because it is inevitable.
"It's good for lawyers. It's good for me," said Frye. "But it's not particularly constructive to have all these symbolic gestures that may gum up the works but won't necessarily advance what we as a society ought to be doing."
Stopping the Bonanza plant, he said, "might not give you more bang for the buck than controlling an existing source" of carbon dioxide emissions, "or replacing light bulbs."
Members of the environmental law brigade concede that stopping new plants may not be as effective in reducing emissions as getting the oldest, dirtiest, least efficient coal plants offline. Coal supplies half of America's electricity.
"We'll need to find a way to go after them, too," Persampieri said.
© 2008 The Los Angeles Times



61 Comments so far
Show AllThis is an important fight, but I don't trust the rather compromised Seirra Club to fight it. In a fight to halt a new coal plant in Morgantown WV, which will severely impact a large swath downwind to the SE - including the Dolly sods wilderness and already badly stresses Shenandoah Natl park, the Club cut a deal to allow the plant to go up, while the plant agreed to buy offset it with pollution credits bought from some plants out west. What good will that do?
Big money coal, oil and nuclear will be doing anything and everything to get all they can from the anti-environment bush thugs before they go out of business. All of these, oil, coal and nuclear will essentially be out of business to renewable energy resources in the next 50 years, so they are using the clout they have with the bush/cheney cabal to steal what they can while they can. Think $40 billion in profits for Exxon alone last year. They don't care about the danger to the environment, or to you or your children.
I thought the Saraha Club had been corrupted by Bushco beyond all recall. This is just "going through the motions" of environmental protection.
OIl is running out.
Natural gas is running out.
Helium is running out.
Uranium will run out, and is dependent upon oil for extraction and processing, so when the oil goes, so does nuclear.
Coal is getting harder and harder to extract, and to be viable in any profitable way, must be extracted by oil and electrical powered machines. True , you can use coal fired plants to power SOME of the extraction equipment, but you still have to maintain them,and that means petroleum derived lubricants. So as for uranium, so too for coal.
Our modern technological civilization DEPENDS on oil. From fuel to food.
No oil = no high tech = no modern life.
Too bad, so sad.
All you techno-fetishists out there are screwed.
Cry me river in your Starbucks triple foam latte.
I truly believe this "few day old " post of mine fits this topic to a tee...couldn't have said it better "myself".
banjoman April 12th, 2008 6:02 am
Now listen once. I have been working in the power plant industry for the better part of my laboring life as a blue collar, hardhat wearing, dirty hands technician. Yes, we do have a problem with coal fired plants. Unfortunately, there is no quick fix. First off, nuke plants, like it of not, are the best with the least negative effect on the environment, and I live a couple thrown stones from TMI.
Second, coal is our most abundant resource. And it IS dirty, but we are eons ahead of emmision control even 25 years ago. Just look at a stack and what do you see as far as opacity?
It's MY livelyhood and feeds my family, yet I hope someday we can shut them all down. But not today or tomorrow.
And you people here need to realize that YOU are a big part of the problem, even with simple things.
I can just hear it if you got your way and didn't have the juice when you plug in your cafe-latte machines, or you white zin is too warm at your weekend wine tasting party, or especially when you go and protest the startup of a local nuke plant.
All of your confounded whining is not part of the solution when you run your air conditioner non stop on a sweltering July week in the northeast corridor.
It'll happen. Just try to help instead of just sitting there and bitching and pissing and moaning. Even we conservatives use electricity and want it to continue to be availiable on demand. See, we DO have a few things in common, after all.
your friend, Banjoman
PS Do they make you wear "Dockers" pants at those parties? (Just a little levity, friends; don't call me names like some of you do here.) By the way, aren't the female commentators on FOX(Y) NEWS getting better looking everyday? You guys, (and some of you gals too, by the way) should try tuning in. You don't know what you're missing. And it's free!
REAL TIME: Watch Bill O'Reily handle Sen. Obama's Rev? Wright at 8 PM---TONIGHT...fair and balanced.....they report!!!you decide!!!
No New COAL Fired Power Plants. This is a great issue for bumper stickers; and at a time when very few other bumper stickers are present. I've had one on my 1.9 liter vehicle since the TXU fiasco in 2006 when they were pushing coal plants big time. This is a good way to bring visual stimuli to the weary commuters out there.
Banjoman- Didn't you also post elsewhere on CD that you were also a full time farmer? And a war vet?
My my my... how do you find the time to correspond with us mere mortals?
Also Banjoman, you have yet to respond to the challenge that we're simply RUNNING OUT of the very resources you so casually praise.
No more oil = no more technological society.
That equation has YET to be challenged on CD. Or in the various trade and technical journals worldwide.
So, go ahead. Be a cheerleader for the corporate conspicuous consumption party.
Me, I'm going out to my garden.
Don't be so hostile there Galen. I'll pop a beer with you anyday.
Gotta go, my asparagus are growing as we speak.
Still your friend, banjoman
PS you can never have too many friends....
Environmentalists are no. 1 on the FBI's watch list because the Feds work for monopolists whose goal is to prevent the regulation required to stop monopolies from killing us with their pollution. Regulation pushed mainly by environmentalists.
I'm not that big of a fan of the Sierra Club personally, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize when they do something worthwhile. I hope they keep the coal corporations tied up in court for as long as possible - every pound of carbon left in the ground is one less cooking the planet.
Galen's spot on: oil is the linchpin in this whole fragile industrial infrastructure. Without it, the whole dirty show stops, and the sooner the better.
Banjoman might indeed work in a coal plant (or mine or whatever), and that's great. That doesn't mean, however, that he's right that nukes are necessary, or even that 24-hour availability of electricity in unfathomable quantities is necessary (or even a "good" thing in the mind of all). When the coal fires stop burning and the lights go out, we might all get a chance to breathe deeply and see the stars once again.
Tell me what this means. I'm confused. This was also reported in the NYTimes and elsewhere
Global Warming Researchers Reverse Stance on Storm Intensity
DAILY TECH - http://tinyurl.com/5tqkqm
Author of the theory that global warming breeds stronger hurricanes recants his view
Noted Hurricane Expert Kerry Emanuel has publicly reversed his stance on the impact of Global Warming on Hurricanes. Saying "The models are telling us something quite different from what nature seems to be telling us," Emanuel has released new research indicating that even in a rapidly warming world, hurricane frequency and intensity will not be substantially affected.
"The results surprised me," says Emanuel, one of the media's most quoted figures on the topic.
The view that global warming has limited impact on hurricane strength has been previously reported in numerous DailyTech articles.
Emanuel, professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT, is the author of numerous books and research papers on climate change. For over twenty years, he has argued that global warming breeds more frequent and stronger storms. In fact, his 1987 paper is often cited as the first appearance of the theory itself.
His 2005 research -- published just one month before Hurricane Katrina struck -- made world headlines, and was heralded as the "final proof" that Global Warming was already having severe impacts on daily lives. Overnight, Emanuel became a media darling. The following year, Time Magazine named him to their "100 People Who Shape Our World" list.
In 2006, Al Gore used an image of a smokestack spawning a hurricane to promote his movie, An Inconvenient Truth.
Emanuel's newest work, co-authored with two other researchers, simulates hurricane conditions nearly 200 years in the future. The research -- the first to mesh global climate models with small-scale high-resolution simulations of individual storms -- found that while storm strength rises slightly in some areas, it falls in others -- and the total number of worldwide storms actually declines slightly.
Emanuel's reversal is certain to reverberate through political circles as well; many politicians and candidates are using the hurricane threat to compel action on climate change.
EmmanuelGldstein- What it means is that the climate change deniers have some good PR reps.
The basic fact is when you put energy into a system, it has to go SOMEWHERE.
If not into hurricanes, how about melting the polar ice caps?
One thing that atmospheric scientists are NOT arguing about is the median increase in temperature, which will, eventually create more and larger, more damaging hurricanes. And tornados. And monsoons.
As the ice caps keep shrinking, more and more dark water and heat absorbing land will be exposed, which will increase the mean air temperature even further. Then a positive feedback loop sets up, a tipping point is reached, and the benevolent climate we have enjoyed for the past ten thousand years goes right out the window.
The UN IPCC has recently admitted that even it's most dire worst case scenarios are probably wildly over optimistic about the consequences of the impact of climate change and global warming.
Just a quick question the waste from a nuke plant that will still dangerous longer than the planet is old? ( 4.5 billion years) How can you say that is green, it also makes a heck of a target that could kill millions down wind?
Coal is not the answer at all. It is a big lobby in Washington that says it is. What ever happened to wind and solar that dosn't pollute at all?
Spain last week got over 40% of its power from wind.
I HAVE A QUESTION I NEED SOME NUMBERS.
How much power does the USA use in one day? From there is would be very simple to see how large an area of solar panels would it take to power the USA.
Hemp Plant Cannabis Sativa Information
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The following is excerpted from the mind-boggling and eye-opening book The Emperor Wears No Clothes by Jack Herer, a must-have book for anyone who cares about the future and well-being of our fragile planet. This visionary book makes clear why it is necessary to add hemp to our individual and collective lives today and why hemp is essential to our well-being as well as that of the earth.
Hemp is sustainable clothing, footwear, shelter, foods, tree-free paper, cement, gasoline, fuel, nutritious and delicious foods, paint, industrial sealants, industrial composites, and so much more. Its beauty, usefulness, and astounding versatility truly boggle the mind! Hemp oil, for example, has the highest percentage of usable essential fatty acids of any plant, period.
Why hemp? Because it is, by far, Earth's premier, renewable natural resource. The hemp plant can single-handedly reverse the Greenhouse Effect, purify our air, water, & soil, and clothe and shelter us in a sustainable fashion.
Hemp paper lasts 50 to 100 times longer than most preparations of papyrus and is a hundred times easier and cheaper to make. It also does not yellow with age like acidic paper made from tree pulp.
If the hemp pulp paper process of 1916 were in use today, it could replace 40 to 70% of all pulp paper (from trees), including corrugated boxes, computer printout paper and paper bags. Imagine the effect this conversion to hemp paper alone would have on near-extinct species and all forms of wild life, on old-growth forests that are fast disappearing, on the quality of our water, air, and soil, as well as on our planet's sensitive ecosystem!
Hemp stems are 80% hurds (pulp byproduct after the hemp fiber is removed from the plant). Hemp hurds are 77% cellulose--a primary chemical feed stock (industrial raw material) used in the production of chemicals, plastics, and fiber. An acre of full grown hemp plants can sustainably provide from four to 50 or even 100 times the cellulose found in cornstalks, kenaf, or sugar cane--the planet's next highest annual cellulose plants.
Hemp will grow in any state in the US and most of Canada. In most places, hemp can be harvested twice a year and, in warmer areas such as southern California, Texas, Florida and the like, it could be a year-round crop. Hemp has a short growing season and can be planted after food crops have been harvested.
Farming only 6% of continental US acreage with biomass crops would provide all of America's gas and oil energy needs, ending dependence upon fossil fuels.
Hemp is Earth's number-one biomass resource; it is capable of producing 10 tons per acre in four months. Hemp is easy on the soil, sheds its lush foliage throughout the season, adding mulch to the soil and helping retain moisture. Hemp is an ideal crop for the semi-arid West and open range land.
Hemp is the only biomass source available that is capable of making the US energy-independent. Ultimately, the world has no other rational environmental choice but to give up fossil fuels.
From the farmers' point of view, hemp is an easy crop to grow and will yield from three to six tons per acre on any land that will grown corn, wheat, or oat. It has a short growing season, so that it can be planted after other crops are in. It can be grown in any state of the union. Hemp's long roots penetrate and break the soil to leave it in perfect condition for the next year's crop. The dense shock of leaves, eight to twelve feet above the ground, chokes out weeds, eliminating the need for chemicals or pesticides, 50% of which is used today on conventionally-grown cotton plant alone to produce cotton clothing products that are inferior to hemp clothing in terms of durability, thickness, softness, and sustainability. Two successive hemp crops are enough to reclaim land that has been abandoned because of Canadian thistles or quack grass
The earliest known woven fabric was apparently of hemp, which began to be worked in the eighth millennium (8,000-7,000 BC)."
From more than 1,000 years before the time of Christ until 1883 AD, cannabis hemp--indeed, marijuana--was our planet's largest agricultural crop and most important industry, involving thousands of products and enterprises; producing the overall majority of Earth's fiber, fabric, lighting oil, paper, incense, and medicines. In addition, it was a primary source of essential food oil and protein for humans and animals.
Ninety percent of all ships' sails (since before the Phoenicians, from at least the 5th Century BC until long after the invention and commercialization of steam ships--mid- to late-19th century) were made from hemp.
The word "canvas" is the Dutch pronunciation (twice removed, from French and Latin) of the Greek word "Kannabis."
In addition to canvas sails, until this century virtually all of the rigging, anchor ropes, cargo nets, fishing nets, flags, shrouds, and oakum (the main protection for ships against salt water, used as a sealant between loose or green beams) were made from the stalk of the marijuana plant.
Even the sailors' clothing, right down to the stitching in the seamen's rope-soled and "canvas" shoes, was crafted from cannabis.
Additionally, the ships' charts, maps, logs, and Bibles were made from paper containing hemp fiber from the time of Columbus (15th century) until the early 1900s in the Western European/American world, and by the Chinese from the 1st Century AD on.
Until the 1820s in America (and until the 20th Century in most of the rest of the world), 80% of all textiles and fabrics used for clothing, tents, bed sheets, and linens, rugs, drapes, quilts, towels, diapers, etc.--and even the US flag, "Old Glory," were principally made from fibers of cannabis hemp.
From 70-90% of all rope, twine, and cordage was made from hemp until 1937. It was then regrettably replaced mostly by petrochemical fibers, but at what untold costs to the environment?
Hemp is the perfect archival medium for artists' work, because it is acid-free. The paintings of Van Gogh, Gainsborough, Rembrandt, etc., were primarily painted on hemp canvas, as were practically all canvas paintings.
A strong, lustrous fiber, hemp withstands heat, mildew, insects, and is not damaged by light. Oil paintings on hemp and/or flax canvas have stayed in fine condition for centuries.
For thousands of years, virtually all good paints and varnishes were made with hempseed oil and/or linseed oil.
Until about 1800, hempseed oil was the most consumed lighting oil in America and the world. From then until the 1870s, it was the second most consumed lighting oil, exceeded only by whale oil.
Hempseed oil lit the lamps of the legendary Aladdin, Abraham the prophet, and in real life, Abraham Lincoln. It was the brightest lamp oil.
In the early 1900s, Henry Ford and other futuristic, organic, engineering geniuses recognized (as their intellectual, scientific heirs still do today) an important point--that up to 90% of all fossil fuel used in the world today (coal, oil, natural gas, etc.) should long ago have been replaced with biomass such as : cornstalks, cannabis sativa (hemp), waste paper and the like.
Biomass can be converted to methane, methanol or gasoline at a fraction of the current cost of oil, coal, or nuclear energy--especially when environmental costs are factored in--and its mandated use would end acid rain, end sulfur-based smog, and reverse the Green house Effect on our planet--right now!
Hempseed can be pressed for its highly nutritious vegetable oil, which contains the highest amount of essential fatty acids in the plant kingdom.
Because one acre of hemp produces as much cellulose fiber pulp as 4.1 acres of trees, hemp is the perfect material to replace trees for pressed board, particle board and for concrete construction molds.
Practical, inexpensive fire-resistant construction material, with excellent thermal and sound-insulating qualities, is made by heating and compressing hemp fibers to create strong construction paneling, replacing dry wall and plywood. William B. Conde of Conde's Redwood Lumber, Inc, near Eugene, OR, has demonstrated the superior strength, flexibility, and economy of hemp composite building materials compared to wood fiber, even as beams.
Iso-chanvre (chanvre is French for hemp), a rediscovered French building material made form hemp hurds mixed with lime, actually petrifies into a mineral state and lasts for many centuries. Archeologists have found a bridge in the south of France, from the Merovingian period, built with this process.
Hemp has been used throughout history for carpet backing. Hemp fiber has potential in the manufacture of strong, rot-resistant carpeting--eliminating the poisonous fumes of burning synthetic materials in a house or commercial fire, along with allergic reactions associated with new synthetic carpeting, which may outgas volatile toxic fumes for months or even years, endangering human health.
Plastic plumbing pipes (PVC pipes) can be manufactured using renewable hemp cellulose as the chemical feedstocks, replacing nonrenewable coal or petroleum-based chemical feedstocks.
So we can envision a house of the future built, plumbed, painted, and furnished with the world's number-one renewable resource--hemp.
We believe that in a competitive market, with all facts known, people will rush to buy long-lasting, biodegradable "Pot Tops" or "Mary Jeans," etc, made from hemp grown without pesticides or herbicides.
It's time we put capitalism to the test and let the unrestricted market of supply and demand as well as "Green" ecological consciousness decide the future of the planet.
A cotton shirt in 1776 cost $100 to $200, while a hemp shirt cost $0.50 to $1. By the 1830s, cooler, lighter cotton shirts were on par in price with the warmer, heavier, hempen shirts, providing a competitive choice, thanks to government subsidies.
People were able to choose their garments based upon the particular qualities they wanted in a fabric. Today we have no such choice. Conventional cotton growing, which depletes and pollutes our nonrenewable resources, is still heavily subsidized by the government, masking the true costs of production and costs to the environment, whereas hemp is not allowed to be grown at all in the US (hopefully this is changing, for our planet's sake!).
The role of hemp and other natural fibers should be determined by the market of supply and demand and personal tastes and values, not by the undue influence of prohibition laws, federal subsidies and huge tariffs that are designed to keep the natural fabrics from replacing synthetic fibers.
Sixty years of government suppression of information has resulted in virtually no public knowledge of the incredible potential of the hemp fiber or its uses.
By using 100% hemp or mixing hemp with cotton, you will be able to pass on your shirts, pants, and other clothing to your grandchildren. Intelligent spending could essentially replace the use of petrochemical synthetic fibers such as nylon and polyester with tougher, cheaper, cool, absorbent, breathable, biodegradable natural fibers such as hemp and flax.
China, Italy and Easter European countries such as Hungary, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Poland, and Russia currently make millions of dollars worth of sturdy hemp and hemp/cotton textiles--and could be making billions of dollars worth--annually.
These countries build upon their traditional farming and weaving skills, while the US tries to force the extinction of the hemp plant in the attempt to promote destructive synthetic technologies.
Additionally, hemp grown for biomass could fuel a trillion-dollar-per-year energy industry, while improving air quality and distributing the wealth to rural areas and their surrounding communities, and away from centralized power monopolies. More than any other plant on Earth, hemp holds the promise of a sustainable ecology and economy.
If all fossil fuels and their derivatives, as well as trees for paper and construction were banned in order to save the planet, reverse the Greenhouse Effect and stop deforestation...
Then there is only one known, annually renewable natural resource that is capable of providing the overall majority of the world's paper and textiles; meeting all of the world's transportation, industrial and home energy needs, while simultaneously reducing pollution, rebuilding the soil, and cleaning the atmosphere all at the same time...
And that substance is--the same one that did it all before--Cannabis Hemp!
Hempseed is the highest of any plant in essential fatty acids.
Hempseed oil is among the lowest in saturated fats at 8% of total oil volume. The oil pressed from hempseed contains 55% linoleic acid (LA) and 5% linolenic acid (LNA). Only flax oil has more linolenic acid at 58% , but hempseed oil is the highest in total essential fatty acids at 80% of total oil volume.
These essential fatty acids are responsible for our immune response.
In the old country the peasants ate hemp butter. They were more resistant to diseases than the nobility, who shunned hemp butter as peasant food.
LA and LNA are involved in producing life energy from food and the movement of that energy throughout the body.
Essential fatty acids govern growth, vitality and state of mind. LA and LNA are involved in transferring oxygen from the air in the lungs to every cell in the body. They play a part in holding oxygen in the cell membrane where it acts as a barrier to invading viruses and bacteria, neither of which can thrive in the presence of oxygen. Click here to continue reading about Cannabis Sativa Industrial Hemp.
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There is No Such Thing as Clean Coal
Globalpossibilities.org
go to the site and watch the trailer for the explosive new Documentary
"Who's Got The Power?" By Casey Coates Danson
Quick note...
How loud will the climate change deniers bellow when their waterfront condos are lost to rising ocean levels, and their ski lodges are mountain top deserts devoid of snow?
Will they still be saying they is no climate change when the millions of refugees start rioting for food on their doorsteps?
Will the climate change deniers still be crowing about global warming being an environmentalist PR stunt when the center of North America is a barren chemical laden desert due to modern agribusiness?
Banjoman- I live in Delaware. The dirty power interests are blocking the contract and construction of an off-shore wind power operation every which way from Sunday. It is a lead pipe cinch the we will not have power from clean, renewable sources as long as this nonsense continues. Meanwhile, the 38th worst polluting coal-fired plant in the nation and the worst single source of pollution in Delaware at Indian River is killing off millions of fish each year in the nearby estuary, putting dioxin and mercury into the air and water, and leaving our population to deal with an epidemic of cancers, increased natal deaths and our special education classes with a considerably higher number of disabled children than should have been expected. We've got fund-raising to get teachers trained up for the growing population of autistic children. And about nuclear power- It is only economical if you do not factor in the increased danger (TMI was no cakewalk) and the little problem of not being able to, after more than half a century, figure out how to safely rid ourselves of the deadly nuclear waste.
Nuclear power is another disaster. First off, there's the waste--impossible to manage or get rid of. Next we have the cancer rates skyrocketing near power plants that are working "properly" with kids baby teeth showing high levels of strontium-90--a DIRECT result of nuclear power
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2004-01-02-babyteeth_x.htm
Lastly, no one EVER talks about the mining that must be done to acquire uranium--it uses loads of gas, pollutes like a mother, and uranium is in limited supply. Enough with the nuke LIES.
and for those "clean coal" phonies out there--ever hear of "downstream" effects, promilgated by Free Market hero Milton Friedman? How about childhood asthma? Or polluted rivers. Mercury in fish. Dying forests. Friedman said governments function was to end downstream effects. Free market, my ass.
HOLLOW POINT:
I will try to find the answer if I can as I heard of the same thing.
ANY GOT THE ANSWER? How much power the USA use in a day?
Q. How much power the USA use in a day?
A. Which day? Vastly different if August or October.
Check here: http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/flash/february2008.xls
Also: my 2 cents: The only clean energy source is "Conservation" (which is something nobody in consumption-crazy America takes seriously)
We have twenty posts in this discussion of US coal fired powerplants.
There is still only one post (mine I admit) in the discussion area about global warming caused flooding in Bangladesh on the left hand side of the CD main page.
Sad.
I think solar can be a mitigation against the rapidly rising prices of fossil fuels and the threat of global warming... and wind turbines... that also seems feasible... and conservation--a new powered-down society using far less energy, but using ANY energy more intelligently than we do now. Take the money wasted on war and invest in a new electrical infrastructure: solar, wind, biomass and new transport systems based on electricity. Jobs for people here making this transition and re-tooling everything to use less energy.
For example:
Thirty 200w panels would be a 5kW system, but that should suffice for a frugal house. Cost? about $35k. Maybe you get some rebates and it's less? But that's what a new car costs and we have FINANCING for cars with $0 down, so go figure.
As I mentioned in another post, to make a solar house work, not only do you need to be able to cut down tree tops (or whatever is blocking your sun from 9 am to 3 pm), but you'll need an inverter for a grid-tied system, a friendly utility company that does net metering, and more. Or you're off the grid and have the hassle of batteries as well.
Secondly, you're best bang for the buck is conservation! Don't use a dryer; figure out a year-round clothes line (maybe in the attic?). Don't use a space heater. Get a new fridge. Put all phantom loads on power strips or switches so you can really turn off all the gadgets. Dump the PC box and get a laptop, get rid of incandescent bulbs. Do dishes by hand. Get a solar hot water heater. Get more insulation, double pane windows, weatherization--all that stuff happens before solar panel loads get estimated.
This is a reasonable move away from coal, natural gas, and petroleum given the problems of global warming--one that most people can afford to make if they own a car and a house. The panels will certainly pay for themselves as fossil fuels become more expensive--indeed buy panels now before their price goes up along with everything else that requires fossil fuels to produce!
But that example aside, there must be social solutions as well as individual ones. Many countries are doing much better on alternative energy, particularly wind and solar than the US. Mass electrical transit. New renewable infrastructure combined with conservation, less energy use. Local food production, 'victory gardens'....
Jobs, green economy--Not war!
Stiv Whitman, great conservation ideas. Also, inside the house in the winter the air is typically very dry and great for drying clothes. People will adopt these when required to pay the full costs of energy. The capitalist's basic racket is to hide the full costs to addict people to cheap energy, such dependency producing consent for further expansion of rackets, aided by folklore that such expansion is necessary for well-being.
Let's give up the energy folklore, people. Let's drop the instigators, Rockefeller, et al. Leave them back in the 20th century where they belong. For them, energy has always been a lever of power/control over societies.
Banjoman, are you ready to give up your contract with the Rockefeller gang? Ready to give up your country club membership? Let's do energy for the right reasons, and exclude the racketeers with the power/control agendas. This is the crucial action we must take now.
S Whitman
Just watched a show on Discovery CH. It is green week and the topic was wind power. To run the whole USA total power this includes electric cars, the whole works. The USA will need about 120,000 to 150,000 high efficent ( yes they make them) wind mills across the country. To power the whole world would take over 3 million. It would also SAVE over 800,000 LIVES each year from pollution related deaths. Now I know that age old kills birds, well without windmills being a big factor today more birds are killed by commuication towers and high rise buildings with the lights on by the millions each year. One way would be to make the windmill and communication towners on the same poll. plus the bird flu killed over 200,000,000 that's right 200 million birds.
by the way that 150,000 windmills across the US works out to be one windmill every 24.7 sq. miles. Now I know that would not be the case close to big cities but in the open or wooded areas there would almost be none.
When will everyone get a clue? It's not about more fuel, more oil, more coal, more biodiesel or ethanol (and turning food into fuel is FAST becoming a really BAD idea!) it's not about MORE anything...it's about less.
Less driving, less Hummers, less A/C in your office buildings, A LOT less.
And LESS people or we are all totally screwed.
A finite system (this planet) cannot support indefinite growth-either profit or people.
Sunshine:
Yes it is about using less, but why are we not offered an alterative way to get around that doesn't need oil? I live in the country and HAVE to drive what ever to town for food etc but it still needs gas. Also the Gov fights everytime gas mileage should go up in cars/SUV/trucks, why is that? So the oil lobby keeps control. I also in my posting a few back showed that windmills could stop or greatly slow the use of oil, Global warming and our life syles will only be slightly changed. ( Discovery Ch, green week) I feel the majority of people do their part, house lights out, drive less, combine trips recycle bla bla bla. Give me and electric car like they sell in the UK, India, Spain, France the list is long.
Galen
Check these out
http://nextbigfuture.com/search/label/bakken
http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2008/04/south_dakota_di.html
I think the peak oil folks got it wrong.
As usual. Capitalism beats the fear mongers. Again.
I will agree with Galen on one point: modern culture depends on petroleum. However, we're all at fault aren't we? It is we who are demanding more power for our computers, TV sets, dishwashers and microwave ovens, etc. Everyone on this website is a techie to some point. If you are operating a computer of your own, then you're a techie. I've read that broadband Internet service uses a lot of electricity. So I think we should look at ourselves first before attaching all the blame to the corporatists. Anyone here ready to give up their computer for the sake of keeping electric utility prices down?
Talking about regulation, you have to love this line: 'But the number is "nowhere near" 65, said Jeff Holmstead, a former EPA official who is now an industry lobbyist.'
An EPA official now an industry lobbyist. Can this man find no other meaningful work, or is he driven solely by greed to make more money? I think the single most effective strategy the Sierra club or any other environmental group could do is to fight vigorously to make it illegal for any government official to lobby on behalf of the industry they regulated. Forever. I am sure that the EPA would have no difficulty filling the positions, despite that restriction, and it would stop the revolving door where industry hacks make policies. It's not just in energy, it's in everything.
And RoR, give it up. All the oil that ever was is half gone. That was the low-lying fruit. Now it will get progressively harder to produce energy of all forms, and when it takes one barrel of oil to produce one barrel of oil, the gig will be up, no matter if oil is a million dollars a barrel. It is not about economics, it is about energy returned on energy invested.
Don't anyone ever worry about running out of oil, natural gas, coal, uranium or food. Before we ever run out of any of those things, we won't have any worries and neither will our children,___ or their children.
When this link I will offer, for any who wish to open and read the three minute article, written by a world renounded geologist was first published, "global warming" was going to be a serious issue in about a hundred years.
Now the scientists are frantically attempting to figure out if we have even twenty to fifty years left. Some give us less than twenty, maybe ten or less. I'm not qualified to debate the scientists, I am qualified to offer this link to read, it is the most important issue facing humanity.
It's absolutely the MOST important issue and if we humans begin now to attempt to correct it, ___ we may win. If we ignore it, or DENY it, we lose. So will our children lose. I say let's fight it and give them a fair shot.
http://www.energybulletin.net/3647.html
We MUST stop burning coal and natural gas, oil and our forests to make charcoal and Wal-Mart furniture, etc. We HAVE to stop it __soon, very soon and we can stop it and still have our cakes and eat them too.
It's actually very-very simple. Clean, Affordable Renuable Energy. (CARE-2) Another very important care. It's feasible, affordable, NO pollution of our most important and only atmosphere and a hell of a lot healthier. In that process, we can also stop making vehicle fuels out of 'food'.
With a MASSIVE, MASSIVE, war time, world-wide effort, we could have totally clean energy within ten years time and then start phasing out nuclear power plants also. War effort? Yes, a war effort and it is a world-wide war we are NOT presently fighting. We think it will go away, or maybe we have lots of time.
After the United States entered the Second World War, here are just a few things we Americans accomplished within one to three or almost four years time. MASSIVE and expensive projects, which also however, created millions of well paying jobs.
1.___ The Manhatten project___ 2.___ Development and deployment of the B-29 bomber fleets, a project BTW, which was larger and more costly than the Manhatten project. ___3. ___The Alcon Highway, one year, open for traffic. A rough drive, but open. ___4.___ "The Big Inch" A 40 inch oil pipeline, which ran from Texas, all the way to New Jersey. One year and operational, truly incredible. Through and over mountains, rivers, streams and all precision welding, then buried in the ground and it worked. __Still does.
In addition, at the same time we mustered a huge army and navy, the Marine Corps, the Army Air force, Coast Guard and Merchant Marine. We already had those of course, but not to any major degree when compared to 1942 thru 1946.
We also manufactured millions of vehicles, aircraft, cannon, bombs, guns, ships, aircraft carriers, submarines, clothing warm and cold weather and made millions of storable meals, K-rations, some with toilet paper and cigarettes in the box. Lucky Strike went to war. There were assholes then too andof curse a very few Neo-cons became very rich over it all.
It was all for a war of course, but MY POINT here is, (we did it). We MUST to do it again and we need lots of allies, Russia, China, Korea, Japan, Australia, the Netherlands, Canada, South America and mexico, India, Europe ans Africa, The Mid-East and Greece, Turkey, Spain England, France and Italy. It's a "World Wide War" to clean up our atmosphere, and if we don't fight it, ___ we are insane.___ Our children and theirs do not deserve to suffer the mess we have selfishly and stupidly created.
hello;having read a lot of the comments;I was born in the Great Basin ;Fillmore; Utah ;only about 40 miles from Deseret Coal power's first electric generating plant near Delta Utah .You can see the plants stack plume for 75 miles .This a extremely dry arid climate;the only water source they could find was the Sevier River ;that used irigate Delta's farms.My great Aunt lived on a farm there;She farmed alfalfa and turkeys ;she had a large water right she retained after retirement.Deseret hired people to pose as farmers claiming they were needing the water rights for their farms.She trusted this man and sold her water rights for pennys on the dollar to this charlatan ;who sold it immediately to Deseret.David Bookbinder of the Sierra Club is right to go after Deseret;they are scum bags. I am sure that building coal fired power plants (the Chinese have made a huge mess with new coal plant construction);even the ones which have state of the art stack scrubbers is a sure way to further delay our unavoidable transition towards solar;wind and renewable sources of power.Imagine if our country had taken the lead when Jimmy Carter was president(solar energy tax credits;Arco built the Mojave Solar electric power plant)Unfortunately ;Regan and his oil cronies killed the tax credit and Arco scrapped the Mojave plant.Bush and Cheny have further delayed any transition by fighting for Iraq's oil;wasting billions of dollars which could have gone towards renewable energy ;peace time conservation corps,putting unemployed Americans back to work;schools;and universal health care.perhaps our next President will have a positive vision instead of greed.This madness must end!
Ok, so KEM & I have been working on energy considerations for quite some time now. We've researched, and e-mailed & IM'd shared information, as well as posting literally hundreds of blogs on CD & other sites.
We've ruled out fossil fuels, nuclear, and bio-fuels made from food crops as dangerous to people because of hidden or obvious environmental & social costs. Not having the power for people to sustain (or improve) their lifestyle is like having a splinter in the eye; a person will do almost anything to get the splinter out, paying almost any fee, and so it goes when faced with no power in your home/office/business for a week/month/year/ or forever. When Hurricane Isabel hit Virginia (where I live) a few years back a million trees were downed resulting in some people being without power for as much as 6 weeks, and it was pretty miserable for everyone. I can't even imagine how it would be for the millions of innocent civilians in Iraq since the invasion.
KEM & I have researched & written about a lot of alternate means of power sources. In the course of study we have come across many lies by government & industry intent on keeping us in the dark (pun intended). The adages of, "question authority" and, "check your information sources" certainly come into play on these issues of global warming, cause, effect, and solutions, with, "follow the money/who gains" a most important consideration to discover who is blocking us from reaching an attainable 'green' solution. Politics is a game of control, and in collusion with an excessively greedy corporate America, speaking through the mouthpiece of a controlled corporate media, they play the game as barbarians with no quarter given
Ok, so KEM & I have reached agreement in certain areas, with others still debated or in need of more research. For green technologies offering the possibility of providing base load power the best options seem to be geothermal, tidal/wave, wind/solar, and now due to the excellent post on this thread by hemp4victory April 14th, 2008 3:38 pm, without previous discussion with KEM, I will add hemp.
Because of discussions with my very learned brothers on all things technical, and other articles read, I had come to the conclusion the greatest inhibiter to clean renewable energy source implementation (aside from industry/government/political obstructionism & lack of adequate funding) was in the area of power transmission over distances. I've see articles stating a ten mile square field of either windmills or PV (solar) cells, located in areas of western America, could power the needs of the whole country. Geothermal, located in every state, but more easily 'mined' from some areas of the country than others, could easily do the same. Tidal & wave power could handle all the coastal areas, but once again I kept running up on the stumbling block of transmission.
I kept thinking the loss over distance must be considerable, but now I realize it was more a profit motive inhibiter, rather than a technical one, that is the motivating factor preventing a true 'greening' of America.
When it comes to money or protecting lives, I choose life. When it comes to national security vs. corporate profits, only the truly un-patriotic grab for money. When it comes to a select few ruining the world environment, to the life threatening dismay of billions of world citizens, these select few have to go out the door by any means.
So here's what I found out:
First, from a somewhat dated article on geothermal, to wit;
"According to the article on Enviro$ense, using geothermal energy to heat homes could save between 20%-50% in total emissions, and reduce the load of utilities and appliances (many of which are refrigeration or heating units) on the electrical power grid by 75%. " See link:
http://www.upei.ca/~physics/p261/projects/geothermal1/geothermal1.htm
Also included in the article:
"Geothermal plants that are placed near active geothermal areas (such as at The Geysers in California's Lake County), are capable of producing the same amount of energy as more typical fossil fuel plants, but produce only 1% of the sulfur dioxide and 5% of the carbon dioxide of a fossil fuel plant."
But I was still faced with the transmission quandary until I discovered this article:
Efficient transmission and distribution of electrical energy
by Raymond Cordelier, former IEC Technical Director
http://www.iec.ch/online_news/etech/arch_2007/etech_0407/spotlight.htm
The most revealing (and shocking) statistics were in this paragraph:
"The Joule effect in transmission cables accounts for losses of about 2.5% while the losses in transformers range between 1 and 2 % (depending on the type and ratings of the transformer). So, saving just 1% on the energy produced by a power plant of 1 000 megawatts means transmitting 10 MW more to consumers, which is far from negligible if we consider that a home needs between 5 and 10 kilowatts."
The implications of that statement are astounding if true (more research needed to be sure). What this says is we are beating a dead horse with fossil fuels/nuclear/and things like corn ethanol (whose continued production could force the deaths of more people, through starvation & disease, than all the wars of the violent 20th century). The loss of less than 5% (or even 10%) in transmission is insignificant when there is a virtually limitless renewable supply of non-poluting energy at hand (or right under our feet, if you will).
For the sake of people in our country & world we have to discard the insane profit motivation of a select few for the betterment, health, safety, and happiness of the many. Why aren't we more vigorously puruing this avenue to energy freedom? For the money we've spent trying to steal oil around the world (although ruined/lost lives should be the prime consideration) we could already have achieved energy independence. This is the utmost crime against humanity that will be the REAL legacy of this administration.
Why you aren't writing for a science magazine, or teaching college courses is beyond me Paul.
To the fella from delaware,
We don't have MORE autistic children....we have more UN-DICIPLINED children being diagnosed as autistic, because these little "fit-takers" aren't getting their hineys spanked.
What kind of message do you send your kids..."It's Ok to scream and yell and blatently dis-obey and play in the street.
My kids know how to act, and if they don't, they get it...but that's not necessary anymore. At all, and three of them are girls.
Injury? no! A little pain, sure! Don't go blaming all these mis-diagnosed autistics on power plants. Do your kids know how to act. Think about it.
your friend banjoman
banjoman - I would never have thought that I would be a time-out dad, but I am. I have a 12 year-old boy and a girl who will be 14 this weekend. They are considered by most to be the best behaved children that they have ever seen. They ask me if I beat them. I was raised like most kids of my generation with spanking as a regular part of punishment, but I do not think it is necissary. If parents would simply parent their kids, the goblins that roam the streets would not exist. This is not about what kind of punishment that is dished out. It is about being around and punishing bad behavior and rewarding good. I am not anti-spank, because I don't think that this is so bad, but I do not think that it is needed. By the way, the public school wanted to leave my daughter back in kindergarten because she was so shy and her handwriting was poor. She went through 1st and second grade the next year in a 1-room school house and when she entered the best public school in our state a year ahead of her age, she was placed in every advanced class that they had and has continued to excel ever since (completing her freshman year of highschool with honors and still taking all the advanced classes). I understand that autism is real, but we do have a problem with recognizing that all kids are not the same and making adjustments. I do not know what is causing autism, but finding scapegoats is not helpful. Many changes have occured over the last years, so a correlation with one factor will not reveal the culprit or culprits.
Banjoman-
As the Mother of an autistic child, you have no idea what you are talking about. You can not discipline a child who has no concept of what the words "stop", "no" "be good" etc mean. I could have spanked my autistic child, but I didn't because all it would have taught her is that the people who are here to nurture and protect you, will hurt you when you react to a world you don't understand, and cannot tolerate. Sure she would have behaved better (out of fear) but she would have slipped further into herself, protecting herself from all the things in life that hurt and scare her. As it is my child very rarely misbehaves, is affectionate, has a great sense of humor, and is loved by her peers and her teachers alike Please for the sake of the 1 in 150 autistic kids, spend some time with one and do some research. And I'll add this to the mix-
"The main finding is that for every thousand pounds of environmentally released mercury, we saw a 17 percent increase in autism rates," she said in an interview."
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0317-05.htm
Stop the presses. Autism cured by spanking. Depression cured by lollipops and unicorns. Cancer can be thought away.
Give me a break.
sorry, that should read "Give ME a break".
Well, that was a good thread on alternative energy and peak oil. Thanks for the contributions! I am excited that it is POSSIBLE to move away from war to a peaceful society using much less energy, but whose focus is renewable sources, local organic farming, green jobs and health care for all. I know that the majority of people would take this option if offered the chance and if they truly understood the urgency to save our environment and ourselves from driving off the cliff in a petroleum-based Hummer driven by Neo-Con artists who profit off their suicidal short-term plan to enrich their friends and the super elite.
At some point, a phase transition will occur in human consciousness, and at that point, it will be like a bright flash of imagination and inspiration lighting up the planet. We will win. We will have peace. This is OUR planet. The days of the petroleum oligarchs are coming to an end! Feel it, believe it, it is happening...
We're speaking about the " mis-diagnosis", not the cure. There's a big difference.
I'll take my daughters diagnosis by trained professionals rather than your uninformed opinion.
The coal ads showing a lump of coal with an extension cord hanging out do not help their image. We are saying take a systems approach to energy in this country. Letting one coal power plant company do their own thing on a case by case basis will not do this.
In some cases coal may be the way to go, but it should be cleaner IGCC. Coal is a cheap energy source, which says that the companies have profit margins to invest in this. Clinton and Gore wanted this and Bush scrapped all of that.
Environmental groups use the tactics they use because that is all they have. The laws allow certain things and that is it. They use what they have, which is not adequate. We need an overall systems approach to energy in the U.S. and until we get one, we will be fighting these battles.
The Sierra Club joined a grassroots organization to fight a new coal plant in Missouri. In the end they compromised with the utility and agreed to carbon offsets. I thought they gave up way too early. The worst part is that they embarked on a nauseating "partnership" with the utility (KCP&L). Suddenly KCPL and the Sierra Club were working together on carbon offsets and energy efficiency. A very unnatural relationship.
I met many of the Sierra Club executives. They were all well-intentioned, but they didn't want to spend too much money in one place since they were fighting dozens of plants across the nation.
On another note, thank goodness Common Dreams has finally written an article about coal plants--the biggest threat to the inhabitability of the Earth. Coal plants are so much worse than biofuels, it's about time for some scrutiny. Coal plants are going up all over America with hardly any protest or attention--our filthiest, most carbon-intensive and most prevalent fuel source.
sjc_1: IGCC is not the way to go in my opinion. We have no idea if it will be possible to sequester carbon that we capture. Currently only small amounts of CO-2 have been injected successfully into the Earth, so why go down that road? Better alternatives are available now.
~BANJOMAN~ you are displaying incredible and hurtful ignorance. Autism is now epidemic and childhood cancers are heading in that direction. DU has been proven to cause autism, cancer and many other medical maladies from the resulted radiation sickness. When burning COAL there is a great deal of DU pumped into the atmosphere, add it to the DU ammo used and we do have a very serious problem there.
Whacking your kids won't solve the autism situation nor reduce the DU and Co2 in our atmosphere, or the Arctic methane from burping out and wiping out your childen and everyone elses. Your comment is perhaps the stupidest I have seen posted here at Common Dreams and there have been a few stupid ones.
No matter what type of coal is burned or how the stacks are cleaned, it won't reduce Co2 in our atmosphere and reduce the threat of global warming. Global warming is so very serious due to this.
http://www.energybulletin.net/3647.html
I posted that link again becaue it details the 'most serious' issue facing ALL of mankind and no one else has mentioned it here. I do believe we should set priorites and methane release is the number one priority.
~~Deny and die~~, that goes for all including our kids. So ignore it and discuss coal, uranium, rising sea waters, dead seals and medical problems. While we sit and argue about such and add in McCain, Hillary and Obama, every minute the threat of all life being eradicated takes the time away from us that we need to prevent it from occurring.
Kem, is there any reason why we can't discuss both ?