McCain's Lack of Candor on Reproductive Rights

WHO is behind the Barack Obama for President
"moo-vement"?

.................. GE ......................

and a gaggle of other corporate elitists.

Are a lot of working class Americans Bitter?

Well, they SHOULD be: Another GE candidate for President SOLD to the public by the Corporate-Controlled "Mainstream MEDIA ... Ronald Reagan ... began the MASSIVE Robbery of the American people that has continued to this day.

About every day,& sometimes several times a day, the TV Talking heads say: "The Rich are getting richer and everybody else is getting poorer"

... & You'd Think ... after nearly 30 years they would FINALLY ASK: ( & Answer) WHY?

The answer is simple: Reagan cut the top tax rate down from the 70%'s to the low 30%'s.

(If you made $100 million & your tax rate was 70% you would pay $70 million to Uncle Sam & keep $30 million ... earning interest, or dividends THE NEXT YEAR on that $30 million. If, instead, you paid $30 million in taxes and KEPT $70 million --- You'd make a lot MORE money the next year on that $70 million - in interest, or dividends)

Simple, tax the rich a lot less AND they damn sure WILL get a whole lot richer a whole lot faster.

There was 2 PARTS to Reaganomics tho. The second part was: The Two-Tier Wage Structure"

i.e. Pay the Top level "executives" a Whole LOT MORE; Pay everybody else a Whole LOT LESS. (Newspapers & TV in the early 80's had articles & coverage of the "Two-Tier Wage Structure" that CORPORATE America trotted out IN CONCERT with Reagan's election & tax cuts.)

IF its CORPORATE POLICY to PAY Everybody else a WHOLE LOT LESS ... everybody else is going to get ... a whole lot poorer ... huh.

a. It was deliberate. b. Its been going on for nearly 30 years.

Next Question: Is Obama likely to fix it?

Answer: Hell No. Because THE SAME PEOPLE are running him for President - The SAME WAY they got Reagan/ Bush1 / Bush2 elected: MEDIA PROPAGANDA.

GE owns MSNBC & NBC. AOL Time Warner owns CNN. Westinghouse owns CBS.
(GE is the 2nd largest corporation on the planet).

They have interlocking directorships. THEY ARE the Corporate-Controllers of the Corporate-Controlled Media.

MSNBC/NBC have become the CHIEF propaganda mouthpiece of the Obama Pushers ... (BOPN - Barack Obama Propagands Networks) - just like FOX has been the the Bush Propaganda Network all these years.

There are no more Journalists, no more NEWS People. They have all become court jesters and clowns doing their bit to please their corporate masters ..Top Level PAID A WHOLE LOT MORE -----------Media whores.

Here's a glimpse of one of the $Billions of Dollar TAXPAYER RIPOFF Reasons GE wants to "elect" Obama President: GE & Westinghouse are in the business of building nuclear power plants.

The Cheney Energy Bill passed in 2005 - made it possible for the nuclear industry to begin planning to build 29 new nuclear power plants (licensing hearings are already scheduled for the first few of them).

No new nuke plants were built for 30 years because the banks wouldn't loan the money - too risky. The Cheney Energy Bill solved that problem for them by Guaranteeing TAXPAYER PAYBACK of any of the nuke building loans that default (The Congressional Budget Office rated the risk of default at 50% or greater".

Obama voted FOR the Cheney Energy Bill. Clinton voted against. Clinton says her Energy plan does not include nuclear & if they want to be considered in the future they will have to FIRST Make it Cheaper and find a safe way to dispose of the nuke waste.

McCain, this week on the Campaign trail said ... we just have to face it we need to start building new, CLEAN, nuclear power plants.

i.e. The Corporate Elitists are running OBAMA AND McCain for President.

("Getting off coal to go to nuclear is like giving up cigarettes to take up smoking crack".)

Brontoburger and many others like him: cannot stand that woman should have the same rights as anyone else to make their own personal decisions. When I hear people like him say that woman do not know what an abortion is what he is really saying is that woman are stupid and should be treated and talk to like a child. By the way bronto why are you quoting from a woman who has been dead for so long that the times we are living in has nothing to do with what is happening. I also notice that bronto lives in a world where he refuses to accept that abortion is old as childbirth woman have been aborting since ancient times it will never go away. his refusal to see that is what i call psychotic. and it explains why these people can never get a grip on life. That GOD gave man the right to answer for his own morality is what got bronto and others like him in a uproar the thought that people have the right to control their own sexuality and use common sense if the people are taught right is what bothers the right wingers. they are afraid of sex. And by the way pro-life woman do have abortions themselves those are the ones who become their biggest supporters. so bronto go blow some steam by finding a woman who you can let out on maybe you want be so uptight.

Bronto,
A DNS lookup of blackgenocide.org shows it is registered by Clenard Childress, pastor and member of LEARN, who travels to South Africa four times a year. While there, and I quote "I tell them that condoms and birth control were created by the white man to keep them down." On a continent ravaged by AIDS. Spread from unprotected sex. (Nevermind that white people have fewer abortions because birth control is more readily available to them).
Onward Christian soldiers...

klannedparenthood.com is run by Mark Crutcher, one of the countries biggest opponents of Planned Parenthood (and leader of Life Dynamics, who prints the flyers that Mr. Childress hands out). Mr. Crutcher is currently under investigation in California for illegally recording phone calls made to abortion clinics (California is a two-party consent state). In these calls an adult woman called the clinic claiming to be 13 (isn't lying in the 10 commandments somewhere?), in a relationship with a boy over the age of 18, which her parents knew about and were okay with, and claims she needs an abortion. The clinic informs her that she must have parental consent, and that her boyfriend will be arrested if he comes to the clinic with her. 'why?' she asks. 'Because that is considered sexual abuse, we legally have to report it, and he will be arrested if he comes here,' is the answer. Crutcher uses this as blatant evidence that the clinics cover up sexual abuse cases. Somehow. This is the same guy that sent one of his underlings to work in an abortion clinic, perform abortions, cut open live fetuses and transport parts across state-lines, to prove that the clinics aren't taking measures to make sure it doesn't happen. I'm telling you, there are special places in hell for people like him.

With the cross of Jesus, going on before...

The fact is, using 2 different web sites, run by the same people, to make your point is a bit redundant. Like making the argument for war because Bush and Cheney agree on it. You're not exactly being fed unfiltered information. Look, I don't really care where you stand on the issue, but double check your facts, man. Find out who is telling you what, and why. Then find out where they got their info. Then double check that. If you can't look around the poker table and find the sucker, you're it.

Marching as to war...

Dinosaur,

A look into the future for you. Common Dreams has an article that illustrates what happens to poor women and their families when they do not have access to contraception and safe abortions. Go to the following title on the main page. Get informed. Stop visiting those creepy sites on the web that exploit people's fears about abortion.

Published on Saturday, April 12, 2008 by Inter Press Service
Family Planning Gets Mere Sliver of Aid Pie
by Thalif Deen

I'm nearing the end of "Pregnancy and Power" by Rickie Solinger. It's not very well written, but Solinger claims the "back-alley" abortionists weren't the real problem during the illegal era. Middle class women with money could in fact easily find abortion doctors. Abortionists were prosecuted only if something went wrong. The real problem was self-abortions by poor women who didn't know where to go for help or how to end their pregnancies safely. So they would come to the emergency room with infections, internal bleeding or other problems. And in the nineteenth century women quietly used midwives to abort their embryos and fetuses. Until state legislatures start criminalizing all abortions, common law said abortion was permissible if it occurred before quickening, when the fetus starts kicking.

Abortions are of course disgusting and should be unnecessary with easy access to contraceptives (unless you're too poor to afford them and the Congress won't fund them). But those who want to criminalize them have to answer a number of practical questions.

1. Will you prosecute women who engage in self-abortions, assuming they survive?

2. If you believe humanity begins with conception, will you indeed sentence abortionists and their clients to prison for life, or execute them, as murderers? If you do not believe humanity begins with conception, when does it begin?

3. Do you want a nationwide federal ban on abortion or to return the issue to the states, which was the situation before Roe v Wade? If the latter, will you set up checkpoints at state borders in case women go where abortions are legal? If the former, will you prosecute women wealthy enough to fly abroad? If yes, how will you detect them?

4. How broadly do you plan to enforce the law? Will you have the FBI investigate and prosecute women's abortion networks, perhaps under RICO? Will you prosecute the woman's husband or boyfriend or other friends or relatives who may help her get an abortion as accessories and co-conspirators? Will you prosecute health care providers who fail to report self-abortions? Will you devote a team of experts full-time to blocking web sites, especially foreign ones, with information about semi-safe self-abortion?

5. How many resources are you prepared to commit to the fight against abortion? Are you willing to pay a tax increase to hire more investigators and prison guards? Or do you just want to have a law on the books to make the appropriate moral statement? Or would you divert resources from narcotics suppression?

6. If abortion becomes illegal, will you promote a vigorous contraception campaign? If not, are you prepared to restore federal Aid for Dependent Children to a long-term entitlement and fund it generously so single mothers can raise their children? Or do you single mothers to give up their babies for adoption by foster parents or orphanages? Or do you expect teenage girls, unlike every other generation in human history, to entirely avoid premarital sex?

Quote her as often as you like. She was a great hero to women and particularly disenfranchised women.

Many of the quotes you posted prove only one thing: Sanger was a visionary who clung to a particular idea, eugenics, which has been appropriated by the right to denigrate individuals who fostered its beginnings. You are no closer to proving that Sanger was a Nazi collaborator than you were at the beginning of your argument. If anything, you've lent support to the contrary. Anyone reading the above quotes can see clearly from the language that Sanger was about empowering a marginalized people, women.

Through a distorted lens you are misinterpreting everything she said. She was not a racist. Nor was she a bigot, not by her contemporary's standards anyway. You have latched onto some quotes and taken them out of context to suit your distorted views. You need to try very hard not to compare one century's visionary within the scope of a modern religious ideology, particularly that of the religious right's. You're guilty of the same generalizations as the ideologues on AM radio.

She was all about choice. You and your kind are forever trying to mischaracterize the past. Revisionists have been trying to do exactly what you're doing since Roe Vs. Wade. A dead woman cannot argue for herself, but what she made possible for a people will endure and you ought to be very ashamed of yourself. Quit trying to project your extinct views onto our bodies. This is what ideologues do.

"The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
Margaret Sanger (editor). The Woman Rebel, Volume I, Number 1. Reprinted in Woman and the New Race. New York: Brentanos Publishers, 1922.

"Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race."
Margaret Sanger. Woman, Morality, and Birth Control. New York: New York Publishing Company, 1922. Page 12.

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
Margaret Sanger's December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts. Original source: Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College, North Hampton, Massachusetts. Also described in Linda Gordon's Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America. New York: Grossman Publishers, 1976.

"Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need ... We must prevent multiplication of this bad stock."
Margaret Sanger, April 1933 Birth Control Review.

"Eugenics is … the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.
Margaret Sanger. "The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda." Birth Control Review, October 1921, page 5.

"Birth control itself, often denounced as a violation of natural law, is nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives or of those who will become defectives."
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As an advocate of birth control I wish ... to point out that the unbalance between the birth rate of the 'unfit' and the 'fit,' admittedly the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. In this matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be held up for emulation....
On the contrary, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective.
Margaret Sanger. "The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda." Birth Control Review, October 1921, page 5.

"The campaign for birth control is not merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical with the final aims of eugenics."
Margaret Sanger. "The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda." Birth Control Review, October 1921, page 5.

"Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying ... demonstrates our foolhardy and extravagant sentimentalism ... [Philanthropists] encourage the healthier and more normal sections of the world to shoulder the burden of unthinking and indiscriminate fecundity of others; which brings with it, as I think the reader must agree, a dead weight of human waste. Instead of decreasing and aiming to eliminate the stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the race and the world, it tends to render them to a menacing degree dominant ... We are paying for, and even submitting to, the dictates of an ever-increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all."
Margaret Sanger. The Pivot of Civilization, 1922. Chapter on "The Cruelty of Charity," pages 116, 122, and 189. Swarthmore College Library edition.

"The undeniably feeble-minded should, indeed, not only be discouraged but prevented from propagating their kind."
Margaret Sanger, quoted in Charles Valenza. "Was Margaret Sanger a Racist?" Family Planning Perspectives, January-February 1985, page 44.

"The third group [of society] are those irresponsible and reckless ones having little regard for the consequences of their acts, or whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers. Many of this group are diseased, feeble-minded, and are of the pauper element dependent upon the normal and fit members of society for their support. There is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped."
Margaret Sanger. Speech quoted in Birth Control: What It Is, How It Works, What It Will Do. The Proceedings of the First American Birth Control Conference. Held at the Hotel Plaza, New York City, November 11-12, 1921. Published by the Birth Control Review, Gothic Press, pages 172 and 174.

"The marriage bed is the most degenerative influence in the social order..."
Margaret Sanger (editor). The Woman Rebel, Volume I, Number 1. Reprinted in Woman and the New Race. New York: Brentanos Publishers, 1922.

"[Our objective is] unlimited sexual gratification without the burden of unwanted children..."
Margaret Sanger (editor). The Woman Rebel, Volume I, Number 1. Reprinted in Woman and the New Race. New York: Brentanos Publishers, 1922.

"Give dysgenic groups [people with 'bad genes'] in our population their choice of segregation or [compulsory] sterilization."
Margaret Sanger, April 1932 Birth Control Review.

"As we celebrate the 100th birthday of Margaret Sanger, our outrageous and our courageous leader, we will probably find a number of areas in which we may find more about Margaret Sanger than we thought we wanted to know..."
Faye Wattleton, Past-president of Planned Parenthood

Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, proposed the Population Congress with the aim, "...to give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization."

dinosaur,

I've waited long enough for the moment. I'm going to go outside now for some fresh air. I suggest you do the same.

The next step in a foregone conclusion, backpedaling.

Bronto, please stick to your original misinformation. All of the above comments were made by you in your first post on this strand. Do not attempt to change your "facts" in the middle of your argument. If you're willing to play fair, I'll argue the "facts" that you presented in your original post. Otherwise, you've demonstrated an inability to engage in a fair debate by conveniently cherry picking facts from a Google website that you found afterward.

- Nazi collaborators like Planned Parenthood.

- Sanger and Planned Parenthood were supporters of the NAZI's and KKK.

- As for the talk about Roe V Wade…the adoption of nazi ideology and pagan witchcraft by the judicial fiat from teh (sic) American court should never be tolerated.

- Most women don't like abortion and they don't really understand it.

- they don't really understand it… those that do oppose it entirely (like all the first and real feminists.)

- Just like it took pictures of the dead of Vietnam (sic) to change america (sic) it will take the pictures of our slaughtered children, dismembered, crushed and bloody to change from this American Holocost. (sic)

Sanger was a member of the Association for Voluntary Sterilization (AVS).

Margaret Sanger (1879–1966) Her several biographers have noted that besides playing a leading role in the campaign to preach the virtues of birth control she also expressed decidedly eugenic opinions.

Sharing an idea at the same time on the same planet does not make one a collaborator to, or even advocate of the same position.

You are associating an individual's life work in hindsight. You are holding her achievements against some distorted backdrop of modern fanaticism. That's a lot like saying Julius Cesar was a big fan of Shakespeare's because he was the subject of one of his plays.

This is another typical ploy of a sick mind. You really need to get out more.

I simply pointed out the facts that the co-founder with NARAL and his books recounting the methods of lies they used when pushing abortoin in the united states.

I simply pointed to Norma McCorvey (Jane Roe of Roe V Wade) and her recounts of the lies and falsities presented in her very case.

I simply pointed to the fact that Sanger and Planned Parenthood were supporters of the NAZI's and KKK (Sanger gave speaches and the KKK as well as the creation of "The Negro Project" to cull the black population).

I also pointed to the fact that all the first feminists were properly anti-abortion (including the author of the ERA amendment) as rightly understood it for what it was....exploitation of women.

In America today, almost as many African-American children
are aborted as are born.
A black baby is three times more likely to be
murdered in the womb than a white baby.

Since 1973, abortion has reduced the black population by over 25 percent.

Twice as many African-Americans have died from abortion than have died from
AIDS, accidents, violent crimes, cancer, and heart disease combined.

Every three days, more African-Americans are killed by abortion than
have been killed by the Ku Klux Klan in its entire history.

Planned Parenthood operates the nation's largest chain of abortion clinics and almost 80 percent of its facilities are located in minority neighborhoods. It recieves neerly a half-billion dollars from the gov't.

About 13 percent of American women are black, but they
submit to over 35 percent of the abortions.

What the Ku Klux Klan Could Only Dream About
The Abortion Industry is Accomplishing

Straw Man Argument: Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position and then refuting it, thus giving the appearance that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.

And so the educating of yet another misguided right-to-lifer begins.

Typical and pathetic attacks are what I would've expected from someone who cannot argue their case with facts. Thank you for providing the appropriate signals in your argument.

There is a name for your juvenile tactic. It's called a straw man argument, that is, to accuse someone of belonging to hate organizations like the nazis or the KKK by making up a version of their argument so that you can easily defeat it.

I'm going to make a leap here based on your choice of weapon. I assume you are either too young to know better or too old and uneducated to care.

You've alluded to the dusty prose of the ancient past in your closing, so I'll assume you're the later.

This is another clue into your outmoded way of thinking. Trying to frame an argument within your choice of a cannonical text is a ruse often used by fanatical minds. The fact that you've quoted the bible is very telling. Your cannon of choice happens to be the same narrative the nazis and KKK used to justify their killing. So, you're using the same set of distorted ideology to attack me as those particular cold blooded killers.

Your turn.

ruthru....as long as we're tading reading lists then here's some for you:

Won by Love: Norma McCorvey, Jane Roe of Roe V. Wade, Speaks Out for the Unborn - by Norma McCorvey

Aborting America by Bernard Nathanson (co-founder of NARAL)

www.blackgenocide.org
www.klannedparenthood.com

seriously...why do you support NAZI and KKK collaborators like Sanger and Planned Parenthood?

True mysogeny is supporting the nazi ideology of abortion. At least Pharoh only killed the baby boys.

brontoburger (dinosaur meat?) is a misogynist whose views are as antiquated as the deranged policies of the current inquisition administration and wingnut right-to-lifers. bronto prefers making abortions illegal, leaving women, especially poor women, no other alternative to ending an unwanted pregnancy, but to entrust her body to some side alley butcher. Misogynists like dinosaur meat would rather prevent women from making a decision about their own lives and subject their private decision to government oversight. This would include building detention centers to hold pregnant women until they've given birth, heaving a bunch of unwanted children into a bleak existence which would lead to more prisons to house them properly. Finally, at age 18, no wait, better yet, when old enough to hold an automatic weapon, sent to foreign countries to kill innocent civilians for their resources.

I suggest that dinosaurs like brontoburger read "Cider House Rules." Better yet, see a production of the play. Better yet, see a therapist.

Oh joy!

And, pray tell, why does this notice of his fraud surprise and worry you. He is, after all, a member of the boys' club and a member in good standing-heck, being white, old and ex-military makes him a founding member.

All you have to remember, is that he is an old man, white old ideas, especially about women (despite being married to a beautiful woman). I wil not support him; I just wish he would retire from public life and let us get on with the future.

McCain___"I`m sure I don`t support government spending on contraception". "I`m sure I support President Bush`s position on it".

Poor McCain, He wants to be Bush Three so bad that he has to act stupid.

He doesn`t know his policy on taxation, either, as he has changed his mind on that. Also will have to look up his policy on torture, as he cannot remember that.

Interesting that the Repugs would run a proven flip-flopper as four years ago they thought that was a very bad trait in a candidate.

The one thing he knows he likes is constant war on terrorists and unending occupations, so he should be a swell replacement for Bush.

I await the arrival of the enlightened male candidate (or any male for that matter) who publicly states that because he will never be faced with an unwanted pregnancy or any female health issue - that he will be silent on the issue

And doesn't it amuse the hell out of everyone to think that if McCain becomes president (oh lord shoot me NOW), that Cindy will go from being The Other Woman to First Lady!? I hear from people who know this couple that they don't spend much time together (hence all the residences). Maybe Cindy will ask her Daddy to fund a new White House wing for her use ....

The STEPFORD GROUP of politicians... they know no position, have no spontaneous words of wisdom or integrity to share, must kow tow to the official party line... and if its talking points are not within immediate reach, by all accounts "they plead the 5th." Also known as the see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil monkey trio, definitely what's needed to lead a nation lost on its own flood tide of hubris. Not!

Nader4prez, LOL! My thoughts exactly. A presidential candidate has to ASK someone what his OWN position is?! How lame is that?

Judging from multiple recent publicly made statements (including his questions to Gen Petraeus on Capitol Hill), McCain obviously doesn't understand the difference between Sunni, Shia and AlQaeda factions in Iraq. And this was after being corrected twice by Joe Lieberman for mis-statements he made while in Iraq. I think we can safely conclude that his so-called foreign policy expertise is non-existent.

He himself has freely admitted that he "doesn't really understand economics". It appears his domestic policy expertise is seriously lacking as well.

Since he seems to be clueless about two of the largest concerns facing voters this year, I guess we shouldn't be surprised by the fact that he is uninformed about sex, contraception and HIV prevention.

Please go back under your bridge "Brontoburger". We don't need any more trolls around here.

The idea that anyone can possibly vote for McCan'tremembermyownnameanymore is beyond belief... but oops! this is being said after 8 years of Bush... Silly me!

Don't get me off on McCain again...

He has a lot of nerve pointing fingers at anyone...

It is population control....contraception to stop the reproduction...and HIV to wipe out the parents...or if they do have babies...the HIV will wipe them out,too.

Cheaper than dropping bombs on them....and you can blame them for having sex if they contract HIV...no self control.

I have to find out what my stand is? Do you have to ask mommy?

What to comment on first...

I'm always surprised by those that continue to advocate contraception (i.e. condoms) to stop aids in Africa. Works great doesn't it?? no? At least the infection rates are down....oh wait their not? Their higher? hmmmm....why oh why would we continue funnelling millions and billions to something that not only doesn't work....but seems to aid in the killing of black africans by the millions? Perhaps because the effect is exactly what is expected and planned...more dead Africans.

Oh please let's not pretend that you want something different like people actually surviving the disease or not getting it in the first place. If that's the case than there is success in Ugunda but that doesn't fit the objective of the Elite nor the objective and financial wallet of tax payer money to the likes of Nazi collaborators like Planned Parenthood. (for those not up on what I'm talking about do some research, crack a book and get your head out of your arse.)

As for the talk about Roe V Wade...the adoption of nazi ideology and pagan witchcraft by the judicial fiat from teh American court should never be tolerated. Most women don't like abortion and they don't really understand it...those that do oppose it entirely (like all the first and real feminists.) Just like it took pictures of the dead of vietnam to change america it will take the pictures of our slaughtered children, dismembered, crushed and bloody to change from this American Holocost.

Old definition of "maverick":

"One that refuses to abide by the dictates of or resists adherence to a group; a dissenter."

New definition of "maverick":

"One that agrees with any group, no matter how insane, while strapping on the knee pads for any lobbyist with a checkbook, unless said lobbyist has anything to do with peace, clean air and water, alternative energy solutions, women's rights, ending corporate welfare and theft and corruption, or protecting the itsy bitsy pieces of our Constitution and Bill of Rights that survived the eight year bushfire."

Please make a note of the new definition of maverick for your records.

What a schmuck. I see no evidence that he actually does know better, he may very well be that ignorant.

Blatant hypocrisy has never been a detriment to the republican party. Oddly enough, this may not be a problem for him.

"So here is a man who boasts about his hard-drinking, skirt-chasing, macho youth while sanctimoniously lecturing kids about remaining pure."

Yeah, and assuming kids and other singles in Arizona sometimes drink beer before participating in untimely impregnations (as they have been observed to do elsewhere in the world), here is a guy and his wife who distributed billions of beers--some of which the boys and girls served up to each other to "get in the mood."

Leadership model? Nope. Just a mega-drug dealer who happens to be peddling a "substance" that is legalized.