One classic definition of insanity involves doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. A twice-divorced friend of mine who recently married again seems insane in this way.
So, unfortunately, do most economists, policy-makers and pundits, who think the economy can -- must! -- grow forever. Whenever recession looms, as it does now, these folks seem to think the answer is for us all to make, buy and sell each other more stuff.
What's the problem with growth? There are several, not the least of which is the gradual transformation of our country into a coast-to-coast strip mall. In the long run, though, the biggest problem is simply that we've already bought, sold and buried in landfills an awful lot of the material goodies Earth has to offer.
The closer one looks at where we're getting the resources to grow with, the more the idea of perpetual economic growth starts to smell like yesterday's diapers. To get gold, copper and even common metals like iron and aluminum, we're mining ores today that companies 50 years ago ignored as inferior. In many cases we're so desperate for metal that we're actually mining the waste from ores previously mined.
Similarly, in Alberta, Canada, petrochemical companies have built giant facilities to produce oil from thick, tarry gunk that's bound to sand under much of the province. Short of liquefying coal, there's no less efficient source of oil. But oil is now valuable enough to justify the enormous expense.
Metals and oil are nonrenewable resources, but the picture is pretty much the same for resources that theoretically replace themselves. Between timber harvesting and agriculture combined, some scientists estimate that we now consume more than 40 percent of the earth's "net primary productivity," the total amount of energy accumulated by all plants everywhere. You might think that's OK -- 100 minus 40 leaves 60, after all. But the natural systems on which we depend for clean water and air and other useful perks seem to need just about all of that 60 percent to keep going. That's especially true as those systems are stressed by climate change, pollution and just plain abuse.
Economists have long answered this sort of argument by pointing to "resource substitution" -- the idea that scarce metals, for example, can be replaced in many situations with high-tech plastics. They also argue that we're good at figuring out how to use resources more efficiently, making cars and electronics and other doodads with less metal and plastic and whatnot than a generation ago. In general, they seem sure that our big brains will keep coming up with solutions when we need them.
Those things are all true at some level -- we're clever enough that many manufactured goods have been getting cheaper for years -- but sky-high oil and gas prices now make these claims seem increasingly hollow. There are no substitutes at all for products like nitrogen fertilizer, which can't be made on a large scale without natural gas and is now 30 percent more expensive than it was in 2000. Plastics, themselves the "cheap" substitute, now cost more for the same reason.
So what might our economy look like if it weren't based on more, more, more? It's hard to say, but a cornerstone of it would necessarily be the concept of "enough," as in "I have enough possessions" or "I have a large enough house."
This would be a profound shift for most of us. Some of us would have to be pushed there, perhaps by a Scandinavian-style system where the tax rate for the wealthiest was closer to 70 percent than 35 percent. But others of us might be attracted to this, maybe by the more-or-less guaranteed access to food, shelter, medical care, child care and education that the same Scandinavian system provides.
Would such an economy provide enough jobs for everyone? It doesn't seem that far-fetched. For starters, providing quality health care, child care and education to everyone would keep a lot of us busy. So would generating clean power, designing and manufacturing products that were really intended to be reused and recycled, and then actually reusing or recycling them as if our lives depended on it.
After all, eventually they will.
Robin Mittenthal has worked on farms, taught high school biology and now pursues a doctorate in entomology at the University of Wisconsin. He wrote this comment for the Land Institute's Prairie Writers Circle, Salina, Kan.
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Show AllSioxrose
sounds like a great experience
Having spent time in CUBA ( not on vacation) I have seen the same thing of making due with what you have. Not on the same level as a monestery and not talking but watching a parent wanting the best for their children with very limited choices. Even a simple thing like an eraser to fix a wrong answer to a question in their homework is a big thing. The rules in CUBA are starting to relax a little as the news ( in Canada ) is reporting. Sorry to some readers as long as the USA stays out they will land on their feet with these changes. It is a wonderful country with amazing kind people. Great doctors as well I have had to use from a scuba accident on a day off.
kivals-
Few would propose a system that does not serve the wishes of the people - those that do should be aware that they are falling victim to the lure of elitism. Elites imposing their own view of ideal society always fails.
We can not just force people to change to be like us - even when we think it is good for them. Real change rarely happens top-down. Whilst acting with the best of intentions, prohibition was imposed on an unwilling population and was a failure. Banning SUVs, for instance, or taxing them so that only the rich can afford them would do nothing to dampen the demand for them.
What we need to do is educate people, share the message, creating a bottom-up movement that will ultimately bring capitalism to its knees through the wishes of the people. If you deprive corporations of your money, you deprive them of most of their power over you. If enough people opt-out of the corporate system, a more sustainable economy will emerge and corporate capitalism with die a slow death.
Whilst you are right that economics does not measure what is "really important" - it can't, because we all disagree as to what is important and it wouldn't be readily quantifiable even if we could. The important point is that value is a subjective measure of worth that individuals place on something, the price (what we pay for it) is determined by the interaction of supply and demand.
GDP maximisation has indeed become something of a religion in government in the past few decades, and you are right, it needn't be this way. I just think that the best (only?) way to change the current situation is to change the hearts and minds of people from the bottom-up rather than try to control them from the top-down.
ClassAct-
As far as I can tell, you might be speaking Hittite! Even though I did A-Level maths, I am a poli sci post-grad - my maths knowledge does not extend that far... so I am not sure what you are talking about, I am sorry.
But just because one rejects one of Adam Smith's idea, does not mean we can to cite the rest of his work. Freud has been largely exceeded by additional research, but we can still talk of our ego.
http://rebelconservative.blogspot.com
One classic definition of insanity involves doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
You mean like posting comments on CommonDreams in order to wake up average Americans?
Rebel Conservative:
Value has a basis in physics, while price is simply a numerology applied on the basis of supply's command and demand's acquiescence. There are some demands that will be forever unmet by the market because supply cannot profitably fill them. If no one believes in the Labor Theory of Value, let them cease to cite Adam Smith for any reason whatever and acknowledge economics to be an empty ideology floating in the air without benefit of physical or moral support.
As regards persons and societies, I guess we might conclude that you consider number lines to be mere aggregations of numbers with linearity to be an invalid association. Languages are spoken by those who agree to speak them and I shall speak Hittite if I wish. Specimens exist, but not species.
Siouxrose,
"Recyclatoriums" -- clever.
rebel_conservative,
You wrote:
"More generally, it is not really the system that is the problem, it is the people."
But the purpose of the system is to serve the people, so if the actions of "the people" do not fit well with the system, that implies that the system is flawed and must be changed, unless you want to genetically engineer the people (which might actually be necessary to avoid human extinction within the next century or two).
And you mention that value cannot easily be measured while price can. It seems that a fundamental problem with many economic models is that they are driven by what can be easily measured rather than by what is really important. For example, the amount of production, say GDP, should only be considered important if it gives some indication of the quality of life. If the quality of life could be measured directly, GDP should become irrelevant. As it is, many argue that some outside-the-box thinking is overdue and quality of life should be measured by other factors, including lifespan, general health, educational level, level of crime and disease in the society, employment in meaningful work with optimal number of hours (e.g. 20-30 hours per week), time for vacation, etc...
And thinking even more outside the box, what if some MRI scans are developed, that are cheap and safe and can be repeated often, that, according to a consensus of neurologists, give a good indication of the level of satisfaction, generally the happiness, of the subject? Could such scans replace GDP as the measure of quality of life?
Some could argue that the level of satisfaction is all well and good, but not dispositive, as a GDP-driven model also is taking into account the importance of growing wealth of the society over time, enriching future generations and strengthening the society against future challenges. However, our current crises with regard to resource depletion and CO2 levels, and conflicts borne of competition for limited resources, would suggest that GDP maximization causes more problems than it solves, so maybe it is time to go outside the box.
GOOD LUCK: I recently watched the HBO George Carlin comedy special and he was snidely remarking that America was held together by one thing: bull shit. He went on to mock today's parents who arrange "play dates" for their children; and then asked, "What happened to sticks? Did 'they' run out of sticks?" Meaning, years ago a kid would be happy outside with a stick.
When I spent time at a Buddhist monastery in Nepal, we were not allowed to talk during the day. These two adorable young men (one from South AMerica) befriended the little Tibetan boys being groomed to become monks in the monastery. Without speaking, they found some pebbles and did elaborate hand motions to make the pebbles skip, movements the little boys tried to emulate. It was a lovely thing to watch: the intended spontaneous nature of play coming to life without language, amid foreigners.
Siouxrose/ Shawn
Shawn
it is funny how 20/20 fails to mention Canada. We pay higher taxes but with that have great health care. A social net that catches those less fortunate from women, children to drug abbuse. ( some do slip through) When I see and hear Bush cutting program after program or inventing a new one that does nothing I pitty those to the south as every day it is sounding more and more like a 3rd world country.
Siouxrose
todays kids need a year of only a radio and no TV in the house. Pick up a book and read it from cover to cover on a rainy day. Powdered milk, seasonal veggies and if you want to have fun you go outside and use your whole body and not your thumb and forfinger to push a button. I guess that is why so many of the older generation like to see nature the way we saw it when we were younger as we had to be outside more when younger. I remember my Mom saying more than once, get the heck outside it is a nice sunny day. I also can understand how when you had very little when young you want more of the good life as they call it when you get older. We are all making a major footprint on this earth. Giving 20$ to Green Peace does not save a whale but it makes you feel good and in a way off the hook for the SUV or trailer or boat in the driveway and that is how I see people today.
PS:, one thing I like to do with my kids when they come over is play board games. We have all night sessions of Monopoly or Risk etc. I hope they pass that on to their kids.
Population is on its way to being 100,000 by 2010 if Bush gets to have his nukular war with Iran/Russia/Pakistan/India.
(Sorry, that's a bit of a bummer - I shouldn't joke about something which has so much potential to come true).
One of the things about Scandinavian societies is the perceived lack of gap between rich and poor. That is a slight misconception - some of the world's richest people come from the area - but while making money (and paying taxes), perhaps the really rich have got out of the habit of rubbing it in the faces of the poor/emphasising the normal western idea that greed is great and being poor means some crazy god is punishing you for being bad. In societies where the poverty gap is smallest, harmony is greater. I still think though that the poor should have no tax burden at all - in fact a guaranteed minimum income would do us all a favor.
Recyclatoriums would be very cool. The closest we have is freecycle-a fab website.
KERNEL: The other day I had the privilege of observing five manatees that had swum into the springs near my home. A crowd of naturalists, maybe 50 stood on the shore watching these marvelous creatures. "What are they doing?" A few asked. It was clear to me two were involved in their version of foreplay and anticipated sex in a quiet place without jetskis (Amen!). I had the idea in my head that the female would say, "But so many people are watching us!" And the male would answer, "But we must do THIS for posterity!"
SHAWN: I love your post, and I guess my consciousness in more Scandinavian. I've watched wealthy people and seen their depravity and broken lives, that the fancy goods never satisfy. One thing that might be returned to a state of value is the power and pricelessness of reading. I don't see a love of it in the current generation (20 somethings).
I wrote a vision of the future and "After the Transition" persons would go to "recyclatoriums" to seek out the things they really needed. Large investments would be done on the basis of one's pod, a like-minded community where residents elected to live together to collectively grow a dream, or further a project.
But if they let us have electric cars and other non oil run vehicles then the demand for oil drops and they have all this extra to makes more toys for us to buy.
Buy land out in the country, arm yourself to the teeth, grow your own food and beef and wait for the sky to get real bright one day then bend over and kiss your butt good bye
Enough is enough! Enough pride! Enough greed! Enough war! Enough political BS! Enough pollution! Enough wanton exploitation of our beautiful planet! Enough extinctions!
I am looking forward to the day when nationalism is passe, but I won't hold my breath. Nothing meaningful will happen for humanity until we can get rid of the 5 permanent seats on the UN Security Council and revoke their permanent vetoes, methinks.
Why can't people see what we are doing? Our collective intelligence depends on all of us learning from our collective past mistakes. However, if we do not take the time to learn our past mistakes, we will relive them ad infinitum...
Can education alone cause an international revolution? Only if you believe the truth can set us free.
Growth has to do with quality of life in some economic models. If productivity is up, more goods and services are available at a lower price and we are all suppose to benefit. That is, if the benefits of those gains are shared with the people that created them, labor.
You have population increases and if you do not grow there are fewer goods and services and in theory the quality of life in general declines. Interest, stocks, bond prices and many other things depend on growth, without it we would stagnate.
I think good steady moderate growth is better than booms and busts. The booms seem to lead to the busts and neither is good for society. Booms cause resource shortages and busts create excess wasted resources. If we get a good managed economy, we will have nice steady growth in proportion to what we need to all prosper.
Go Lemmings GO!!
Humans are too stupid to understand that they are rushing headlong into their own extinction. You pitiful creatures are so dumb that you think driving a bigger vehicle in a traffic jam somehow gives you more control than somebody driving a smaller vehicle.
Look up the "Olduvai Gorge" theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olduvai_theory or "Olduvai Revisited' here http://tinyurl.com/n5qb7. The human race is in a train heading off a cliff and virtually every world leader is promising to accelerate the train.
Laugh while you can monkey boy but optimism is for idiots.
From this tragic scene, it ought to be obvious that now is the time to overturn the ban on growing and cultivating hemp. 26000 industrial uses of hemp is what the oil and military scumbags don't want you to know. If you don't want another BETRAYUS bullshit talk or another oily shock, you'll work hard to fight for solar, wind, geothermal, tidal, and better biofuels such as hemp, switchgrass, algae, etc ... which require no petroleum whatsoever unlike corn and sugar.
NOW WHO'S READY TO BE A BRAVEHEART WINNER?
Unlimited growth is cancer.
ClassAct -
I didn't realise anyone actually still believed in the Labour Theory of Value...
Value is not a relevant term anyway, as there is no objective measure. Price, however, is determined solely by supply and demand factors.
More generally, it is not really the system that is the problem, it is the people. People drive over-consumption, not corporate capitalism (which I am not defending). Under the present system, as flawed as it is, the public has the choice and they choose these material goods.
I made the choice to opt-out of large parts of the economy. Aside from food, mostly fruit and veg (local/organic/fairtrade where possible) I don't actually buy a great deal. I don't need flat screen tv, flashy designer clothes, a car or anything else. I don't have any need for a car, I either walk or use public transport. Admittedly, it is not great, but it is perfectly adequate - even if it takes me more than 2-3x as long as driving would (as I never had a car, I don't miss it). Material goods don't make people happy. I am sure I could also live without my laptop and broadband... but I wouldn't want to try ;) Spread the message, don't try to impose your view by taxing people so they can't afford material goods - they will still want them. Talk to people, explain the reasons, but they are adults, let them make the decisions for themselves.
However, I agree that growth as the sole political end is a gross distortion of government. So how do we change this? Lobby your politicians and spread the message that materialism doesn't make you happy. Bottom up, not top down.
http://rebelconservative.blogspot.com
When I was a child my grandparents' brothers and sisters would gather together on Sunday afternoons. They were all immigrants from Sweden and Norway. The men would play horseshoes and the women would sit in the shade and talk. One of the aunties or uncles would declare in Swedish, "We have it good!" "Ya, we have it good!" They had enough and were satisfied. I think the only answer to the greed and waste to the growth model is a mind shift from thinking we need more to satisfaction of knowing that we have enough.
Max__Great idea. shutting off tax credits for children. I can see how it all happens now.
He--lets get it on tonight
She-- I am too tired and have a headache
He-- did you forget about the tax credit?
She-- Oh, Honey, I`ll go get fixed up right now
On the subject of free birth control and famnily planning services, they could be called "Unborn again products".
Economic growth has been part of the mantra of capitalism largely because industrialization yielded bigger populations, so if the economy didn't grow, poverty did.
In Europe and Japan, societies are facing decreasing populations, which means that growth becomes more difficult (fewer workers do less work as a general rule). But if the population shrinks 1% and the economy doesn't grow, the per capital income actually rises. Economists are about to enter new territory in these countries, and it should be interesting.
The pseudo-science we have known as economics must be replaced by the genuine science of thermodynamics. Production governs economy, thermodynamics governs production, and therefore thermodynamics governs economy. The Marxist analysis recognized that political power flows from economic power, but Marxist economic theory was simply a variant of Adam Smith's theory. It did not take note that if labor is the source of value, then profits are impossible because of the second law of thermodynamics.
The appearance of profits in the economy is an indicator of the necessary presence of victims of the production and distribution processes. Indeed the rate of profit is most directly indicated by the ease of victimization, of "externalities" befalling the animals, the public at large, the consumer, the worker, the unemployed, and anything insufficintly protected by law, rather than by thermodynamic efficiencies of the transactions themselves.
The object of economy is the production and distribution of the goods and services of the world. The purpose of maintaining the social feature of economy to accomplish this is the just and equitable distribution of employment. The interceding goal of "profit" is not capable of directing the economy to self-sustaining optimization and is therefore the true "market distortion" that poisons society.
Claims that supply and demand and labor and capital are equivalent forces in the market are false because supply and capital are active forces, directly winning political accommodation sought or unsought, while demand and labor are passive forces that can only become active through collective political organization. Democratic decision-making by the body politic is the necessary antidote to the self-serving and self-reinforcing decision-making of the propertied class. In order for democracy to make sustainable decisions, that is decisions that minimize victims, a complete macro-economic, social, and ecological study needs to serve as a point of consultation and reference.
For more on these matters see:
www.eco.uni-heidelberg.de/ng-oeoe/research/papers/Faber%20et%20al%20AEE%...
http://dieoff.org/
rmax - You are so right! I am appalled at the number of articles and blogs that promote increasing the population! The "pro-life" movement often insists that all the babies who are not allowed to be born would save the elderly from financial ruin and other misguided notions. At a time when our resources are becoming more and more limited, these people want to multiply the number of human beings on the earth in order to "help the economy."
Of course, I have long seen this argument as just another nonsense ploy to promote their agenda, but it's unconscionable in any case.
MeAlsoToo - "Clinton's/Rothschild's/Gore's" are not plurals. They are possessives.
So many posts on multiple sites make it quite obvious that we really do need to put money into quality education in 'Murka. Our children "isn't" learning.
Shawn,
I readily admit that a majority of people alive in the world today live in misery. One could even argue that most Americans are miserable though not impoverished.
Adele,
I am open-minded about the possibility of small free enterprise, particularly that of small sole proprietorships and partnerships, providing an efficient method of satisfying needs and achieving a high quality of life for the great majority. I am also open-minded about the possibility that some innovative socialist systems would work well.
Economics is a social science and so it is mainly guesswork, as rigorous scientific experimentation in such a field is impossible and so progress remains elusive. However, because of so much uncertainty, it is critical that people in different places get to experiment (with the flawed experiments characteristic of social sciences) with different models. The closing of the debate and the prevention of such experimentation is a big part of the reason the current corporate globalization drive imperils our future. The attempt to squash all competing forms could prove catastrophic by preventing us from finding any models that would work.
Kivals, 11:33: You wrote, "It becomes more obvious by the year that virtually any form of capitalism, and particularly corporate capitalism, does not distribute resources and develop priorities in a manner efficient enough to provide for the general welfare of several billion people on this planet over the long-term."
Absolutely -- but we musn't ditch free enterprise. Ever since we overthrew the wretched slave system in the 1800s, small and medium-sized businesses, local cooperatives and the like have been our main generators of employment. If our tax structure were to disfavor the giant enterprises and favor the local ones; if we were to resuscitate the anti-trust laws and ENFORCE them; if congressional oversight of enterprises was vigorous and fearless; if the first $1000 of your savings were tax-free each year; if we were to require holding a stock for five years before it's considered a long-term capital gain when sold -- (and so on) -- all these things would be a good start towards
capitalism with a human face. What we have today is barracuda capitalism, and I hate it.
Kivils: " Either humans must embrace developing more efficient, in terms of providing for the general welfare, economic systems or accept a future in which the majority will be miserable."
You are 100% correct, except it seems we have already reached the point to where the majority are miserable, especially if you account for the population of the entire planet.
Interesting that the author brings up the Scandiavian societies as a model. Recently, 20-20 ran a piece on happiness. The first country they looked at was Denmark. Denmark has what they call a "post consumer society", meaning that they have determined that investing in each other rather than indivdual wealth creates more trust between indivifuals, and in the end, far more happiness. Denmark has some of the highest taxes of all countries, but they use these taxes to support community based organizations and the general welfare of all citizens. Denmark has one of the happistest populations in the world. Oh, and they also boast the smallest 7-11 sign in the world!
"Enough Already" is certainly a valid expression for the mess our country is in. Daniel David is correct in that the first step is to get rid of the scoundrels that are running our country now,and put in some liberals. The only thing the present bunch is conserving is their own and their rich friends bank accounts.
On one hand, our administration is doing all possible to thwart any kind of family planning worldwide, yet at the same time encouraging using food for fuel. Evidently, the idea is to create more people to starve, and if that does not work, then they can be bombed out of existance.
Apparently, those great theories came about with the introduction of religion into our country`s policies. It may have sounded good to many people, but the results have been disastrous.
Recycle1 - or an American...
rmax- I don't know anyone who based their decision to have children on the tax credit they'd receive. But I'm with you 100% on free family planning services. Women who are more educated tend to have fewer children and want the ones they do have.
A good start might be to stop providing incentives to having more children by eliminating tax credits for having more children. And to provide free birth control and family planning services. It's probably too "Scandinavian" for the RePuritans and Catholics who want "more souls for Jesus."
The concept of enough is foreign to most Americans. We don't eat enough (we eat more). We don't spend enough (we spend more). We don't work enough (we work more).
Perhaps the thrice married fellow is simply an optimist?
It becomes more obvious by the year that virtually any form of capitalism, and particularly corporate capitalism, does not distribute resources and develop priorities in a manner efficient enough to provide for the general welfare of several billion people on this planet over the long-term. Either humans must embrace developing more efficient, in terms of providing for the general welfare, economic systems or accept a future in which the majority will be miserable. Though this may be obvious to the knowledgable, those with the reins of power are doing quite well under the current system and of course would be among the last to risk significant change. Therein lies the problem.
"If the earth population now is over 6 billion, on the way to 9 billion by 2050..."
It is, but its 'on the way' to being under-3-billion by 2016 (about the time your neo-Lib/soft-power Admin finishes their appointed 'dirty-work').
Invented human/plants-'diseases', their 'cures/preventatives', the Treaty's being signed-regularly, GMO 'death-seeds', HAARP (and other-means of weather-weaponization), space-weaponization, black-Ops destabilizing "Arcs of Instability", DU-contamination, Energy/Food/Housing-manipulations and price-hiking solely-for-Profits, Myths of 'Warming', 'Peak-Oil', 'Democracy', Human-Rights', 'Internationalism', CO2-as-Greenhouse-Gas, Nuclear-plants as 'renewables/clean/safe-alternative', Carbon-Taxation as an 'Answer' to 'Something', more-and-more 'magneting' of real-Wealth to less-and-less of the 'chosen-few'...
THIS is what will reduce that '9-billion' you are worried-about. In brief: neo-Libs and elite-Aristocrats like the Clinton's/Gore's/Rothschild's...
Any other 'worries' to discuss?
MILITANTLIBERAL
yes, that's like putting sour milk back in the fridge and thinking it will be alright the next day..............
Marrying a third time is not necessarily insane unless it's to the same person who was spouse #1 and 2.
If the earth population now is over 6 billion, on the way to 9 billion by 2050, this seems a very odd time for us to hit on the bright idea of growing crops (like, say, corn) to burn in our buzzy, buzzy cars rather than to feed to people and animals.
And, from afar, one would think someone in 6 billion would figure out how to put wind power and sun power in our vehicles instead--via hydrogen or electricity or both.
We have so much wind and sun, we could afford to "waste" most of it with really inefficient technology for starters.
After all, the wind and sun resources are mostly "Wasted" now anyway.
As for the author's dream of us keeping busy with better health care, child care and education, that's just a matter of electing liberals to be in charge. Scandinavia, for instance, has evidently figured this out. Why are we so dumb about it?