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The Truth About the 9/11 'Truth Movement'
I found myself once again singing at an anti-war rally two weeks ago, and once again being confronted by a red-faced white man with an ominous hand-written sign reading, "9/11 was a lie."
Most of the crowd was filing off for the post-rally march, aside from a few of my loyal fans who were sticking around for the rest of my set. Among them was the red-faced man, apparently not a fan, who walked towards the small stage with the wild-eyed certainty of a zealot.
"Wake up, David Rovics! David Rovics, wake up to the truth of 9/11!" He was screaming at the top of his lungs, standing about two feet from me. (I continued with the song.) In case I didn't get the message the first time, the red-faced man repeated his mantra. "Wake up! Wake up to the truth of 9/11!"
People like him, whoever he was, have become a fixture of antiwar and other protests since sometime soon after September 11, 2001. They regularly call in to radio talk shows, maintain many websites, produce innumerable documentaries, publish plenty of books, hold regular conferences, and show up with alarming predictability to heckle and denounce prominent progressive authors and activists at their speaking engagements.
If you bother slogging through the volumes of books and stacks of documentaries that "9/11 Truth" people will foist on you if you let them, you will find that most of them are propaganda pieces and most of the "experts" are not experts in relevant fields.
When you do look beyond this mass of misinformation for real experts, you will easily find pilots who can discount the claims of the Truthers that maneuvering the planes into the towers was a particularly challenging thing for people with only a little flight training to pull off. You will easily find mechanical engineers familiar with the structural flaws in the design of the WTC that allowed it to collapse in the first place, and physicists who can explain why such large buildings would appear to be imploding as if in a controlled demolition, or why people on the scene would have thought they were hearing explosions, etc.
My purpose here is not to disprove all the hypotheses presented by the Truthers and their propaganda pieces - if you want to look into "debunking the debunkers" yourself, there is plenty of information out there, and Popular Mechanics' issue on the subject is a good place to start.
The fact is, the scientific community, while certainly not immune to political pressure, is generally able to function with a grounding in actual science, and is not capable of participating, as a community, in some kind of mass conspiracy of silence or cover-up. There is no way to bribe that many scientists. Too many of them believe in the importance of science for science's sake, in honesty.
This can be amply demonstrated by the fact that with all the political pressure and money of the U.S. government and ExxonMobil combined, there is still essentially unanimity among climate scientists worldwide that climate change is real, is caused by humans, and is dangerous for our species and others. Even after all the billions upon billions of dollars spent by the tobacco industry to obfuscate reality and bribe policymakers, the scientific community was able to study the issue and determine incontrovertibly the link between smoking cigarettes and lung cancer.
Misguided attacks on alternative media
The "9/11 Truth Movement" undoubtedly is made up largely of earnest, decent people. Since thousands of their fellow countrymen and women died on 9/11 and since this event, many people in many communities have become justifiably agitated and outraged by world-scale injustices, such as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and so on.
The particularly warped thing about this, though, is that the very media outlets, authors and activists who are doing their best to expose the very real conspiracies that are going on - people like Amy Goodman and Democracy Now!, David Barsamian's Alternative Radio, Z Magazine, Norman Solomon and the Institute for Public Accuracy, Noam Chomsky, etc. - seem to have become the primary targets of harassment by the Truthers.
Goodman, Chomsky, Solomon and others are now regularly heckled at speaking events, and denounced on websites as "gatekeepers." They are seen, it seems, as being even worse than the corporate media, because while reasonable people know not to trust Fox or CNN, they have faith in the integrity of people like Amy Goodman.
You don't have to know Amy Goodman or her producers personally to see what nonsense this "gatekeeper" stuff is. You needn't ever have met Amy to know that she has risked her life, and very nearly lost her life, in her decades-long efforts to report the truth. You needn't know her producers personally to recognize that these are all earnest young progressives working long hours to create a daily news program they deeply believe in. The notion that all of her producers are somehow maintaining a code of silence in exchange for the privilege of having their names mentioned at the end of the broadcast, or in exchange for their nominally middle-class salaries, is preposterous.
As is so often the case, there are little grains of truth in here that can fester in the minds of people who are not looking at the information critically. For the cops among the Truthers (of course it's a matter of the public record that the FBI and other such agencies regularly write "newspaper articles" - propaganda or disinformation of whatever sort they deem useful), undermining the legitimacy of the progressive media is exactly their goal, because they don't want the population to know the truth or to trust those who are reporting it.
For the more earnest elements among the Truthers, undermining the progressive media is also their goal, because they don't see it as being distinct from the corporate media anyway - so whether earnest or insidious, the effect is the same.
It seems evident to me that shows like Democracy Now! are quite willing - and indeed, are doing their best - to make waves as much as possible. If they don't report a story it's because they don't think it's a story, or it's not an important enough one to bother with. In the case of "theories" like the notion that controlled demolition brought down the World Trade Center or there were no members of Al-Qaeda on board the airplanes, this narrative has received little coverage in the progressive media because, upon investigation, most decide it's patently ridiculous.
The real gatekeepers
Sometime in 2002 I wrote a song called "Reichstag Fire," in which I asked many of the questions the Truthers were asking. The point of the song was primarily to say that 9/11 has been used as an excuse for the U.S. to carry out a genocidal crusade on much of the Muslim world, and to further the U.S. government's bipartisan agenda of world domination and control of valuable resources in other countries, such as oil. (This is something Truthers and most other people in the world can generally agree on.) In the song I also posed questions which I now feel have been adequately explained.
Were there really Arab terrorists on board the planes? Yes. Did the CIA know an attack was imminent? Yes. I don't regret writing the song, or becoming a very minor celebrity within the 9/11 Truth Movement, because I think these questions needed to be asked, and answered.
But while some questions can only remain unanswered until certain people within the U.S. government become whistleblowers, other questions have been answered, and my answers (and those of most people who have looked into these things) and those of what now constitutes the Truth Movement differ wildly. Particularly because I have been seen by some as part of this movement, I felt compelled to write this essay.
The truth is, in fact, out there. Much of it is certainly still there to be discovered, but many fundamental, essential truths are already known.
The truth - that, for example, the CIA funded and armed Al-Qaeda and the Taleban, that a tiny minority of very wealthy people control much of the U.S. government and the "mainstream" (corporate/"public") media, that the U.S. military systematically goes around the world overthrowing democracies, propping up dictatorships, and killing millions of people with bombs - is what the progressive media is reporting on hourly, daily, weekly or monthly. These are the truths that people in the U.S. most need to "wake up" to. These are the truths that are systematically unreported or severely under-reported by the corporate press, which, even in the age of the Internet, is still where the vast majority of people in the U.S. get their news, and thus, their understanding of the world.
These corporate media entities and the genocidal, ecocidal plutocracy they serve are the "gatekeepers" that need to be exposed. The truths they are trying to hide from us are the truths that need to be understood, and acted upon. The progressive media that is trying to do just that needs to be supported, not undermined with essentially baseless accusations (legitimate criticisms and suggestions notwithstanding).
The people who are trying, with some degree of success, to undermine these basic endeavors of the progressive movement and the progressive media need to be exposed for what they are - whether they fall into the category of well-meaning but misguided fanatics or undercover government agents quite purposefully and systematically working to spread disinformation and sow confusion and distrust. And, beyond any reasonable doubt, the "Truth Movement" contains both of these elements.
To both of these groups I beseech you - wake up! Wake up to the real, easily verifiable conspiracies - which are extremely big ones - and quit trying to distract us with all the nonsense about gatekeepers and controlled demolitions!
David Rovics is a singer-songwriter who tours regularly throughout North America, Europe, and occasionally elsewhere. This article was edited for length.
Copyright © 2001-2008 David Rovics



864 Comments so far
Show AllWas it really necessary to publish this rant at Common Dreams?
Methinks our man Rovics should stick to singing and songwriting.
Who is David Rovics, anyway?
Yes, it was necesary for CD to publish this "rant". The 911 Truth nuts are destroying the credibility of the dissident left in the US.
Let me offer a genuinely credible conspiracy theory for you. The whole secretly planted explosives-demolition, remote controlled airplanes, missle-not-a-plane-in-the-Pentagon-loonyness was, itself, a deliberately planted story by the FBI to sew discord among the US dissident community and divert attention from the real US crimes the US commits every day in other lands. The planting of such stories and "conspiracy theories" is a classic COINTELPRO style tactic the FBI perfected in the late 1960's to 1970's.
Thankfully, this nuttiness seems to be dying down on it's own, but we stll have a few more nails to put in the coffin.
It is astounding to me how anyone, contronted with only one revealing fact, among hundreds, in regard to the collapse of the towers, can continue to call those of us who are paying attention, and who have devoted much time to the study of the situation, "well-meaning but mis-guided". That one fact is that the towers came down at virtual free fall speed. In the case of WTC towers, this means at a rate of TEN FLOOR A SECOND! WITHOUT EXPLOSIVES, THIS IS A PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBILITY. Just sitting where you are, try to imagine only one floor, the room you are sitting in, totally collapsing, turning, along with you and everything in the room, to dust, in just one second. Only explosives could make that happen. Consiracy theorists? How about just people who use common sense?
Here's all you really need to know about Mr. Rovics:
"Popular Mechanics' issue on the subject is a good place to start."
It's a good place to start if you like cherry-picked "evidence" and a huge, hidden agenda that is very sympathetic to Bushco and big business.
Like most "debunkers," Rovics conveniently ignores Building 7 and the laws of physics. Building don't come down at free fall speed through the path of greatest resistance. They just don't.
Where did the pools of molten metal that were under all three buildings come from? Jet fuel can't melt steel.
Why did the BBC report that Building 7 had collapsed when it was still standing and visible in their live shot? How did they know it was going to collapse?
Why, within minutes of the Pentagon being hit, did the FBI swoop down upon a gas station to confiscate their surveillance camera tape? Does that sound like a good allocation of manpower at that time? And why have zero (none) of the 85 tapes that captured the Penatgon attack been released? Does that seem at all suspicious?
I could go on and on but I'll end on a little criminology 101: If someone has foreknowledge of a crime, if those people lie about that foreknowledge, if those same people stonewall the investigation and destroy evidence, and if they then profit massively from that crime, they would normally be considered suspects.
I'm just saying . . .
EveningLand:
I appreciate David Rovics publishing his perspective on Common Dreams. While, personally, I am not quite as ready as he is to dismiss some of the questions and theories presented by the "9-11 Truth" movement, I agree with him that those folks need to speak when it's their turn.... and not derail those among us who are trying to bring attention to issues that are, at the VERY least, equally important to the mysteries of 9-11.
Perhaps we can approach this from another perspective. Mr. Rovacs may not believe in much of the canon of the "9/11 Truth" movement, but he does quite clearly point out that those who do believe and those who don't should consider themselves on the same team.
I agree. One might believe in remote-controlled, bomb-laden planes and controlled demolition of the towers. Or, one might be willing to believe little more than is already obvious; that the Bush administration knew of an imminent threat and declined to take action to forestall it. In the most important sense, both interpretations should draw the same enthusiastic dissent.
I am not here to belittle anyone's beliefs, because I believe that it makes no substantial difference what you believe (9/11 Truther or not). The Bush administration stole an election in 2000, and I believe that gave the Bushies the feeling that they could get away with anything. Whether they engineered 9/11 or sat on their hands waiting for it to happen, they are culpable and should be held as such. Getting hung up on the details of their culpability is a costly diversion.
"Thermite Identified As Culprit Of WTC Collapse"
Evidence mounting that cause first identified on Alex Jones Show led to towers' implosion
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentified.htm
Do some research folks and use some plain old common sense...
Oh no, not again!?
Very good point mr. rovics. I have said the same things myself.
Unfortunately, some people prefer conspiracy over reality.
Higher distraction factor maybe.
"Common sense" does not apply to the collapse of large skyscrapers, since very few people have any personal experience with that. The physics of the collapse, however, has been worked out.
The potential energy of the WTC was far greater than the energy required to overcome the structural resistance to collapse. The potential energy was even greater than that required to pulverize all of the building's concrete. These buildings are almost literally "houses of cards." Knowing this, I would be afraid to work in such a building!
Two points.1.Whatever you believe about 911,if one has an open mind,he has to admit there is a plethora of unanswered questions. 2.We know for sure that any intelligent person knows we cannot believe anything this administration tells of ( even if it is true) because of their mendacious and punic canards of the past. They have cried wolf too many times.
thank you, otto756, for putting mr.david rovics back in his seat where he should be, if you hadn't done so i would have had to take 2 periods out of my high school classes to do so.
"To both of these groups I beseech you - wake up! Wake up to the real, easily verifiable conspiracies - which are extremely big ones - and quit trying to distract us with all the nonsense about gatekeepers and controlled demolitions!"
honestly, in my mind, the possibility of the controlled demolition theory is easier to believe than a damn plane crashing into a building built to withstand multiple jumbo-jets crashing into it, then causing the tower to implode, replicating the falling pattern of that of a building which was subject to a controlled demolition.
Mr.David Rovics, i think the deaths of 3,000 American lives due to a possible conspiracy for expanding executive power and geopolitical strategies is an "extremely big one"- dont you think
I honestly wouldn't be suprised if you were one of those FBI agents distorting the truth and trying to make everyone forget about the real facts about september,11th 2001.
The author of this piece forgot to mention how we are also winning the war in Iraq and how wonderfully thriving the economy is...especially for the middle class.
I wonder...did he have the cherry or the grape flavored Kool-aide?
Once again an "expert" (singer/songwriter) who is not an expert in relevant fields (demolition, government conspiracy, terrorism). I find it odd that Common Dreams is publishing his opinion as if there is some value to it. Especially when the author argues against valuing his own opinion.
My 87-year-old aunt says the same thing when I bring up the fact that two presidential elections were stolen in this country. "Don't be so paranoid, it would be on the news if they stole the elections."
And that is where the conspiracy really starts. We know that our government is being run by people who didn't win the election -- twice. And they went to war based on lies.
4000+ American soldiers have died. Soldiers who were ORDERED into this war.
So it is clear that this government has been overthrown by a peaceful coup, and the people now in charge are willing to sacrifice its people for its own desires. 3000 is certainly less than 4000. So what is the difference?
Is it such a big leap to believe that something fishy went on in 9/11 considering the overthrow this government has just gone through. When you add that to the fact that there are hunderds of individual moments (from Bush's 7 minutes of goat reading) to building 7 WTC imploding that have been met with inadequate, unbelievable or nonsense explanations... asking for trust seems like a lame attempt at pacification.
Articles like this don't solve any problems. Just another person tossing in his opinion as if it were fact. Now, what does Cokie Roberts have to say?
USAn,
I completely concur with your comment and with the article. This entire 9/11 "truth" phenomenon has shaken my belief in the ability of the progressive community to make a meaningful difference. If progressives cannot stand on something solid like science and the opinions of the scientific community, the progressive movement will surely sink into oblivion.
The enemy (the corporate kleptocracy) is sophisticated and determined, e.g. in the use of plants and other tactics to destroy trust in their political enemies. And that sophistication at least in part explains why such an enemy has been so successful in the past few years in accelerating the polarization of income and wealth.
>>> Goodman, Chomsky, Solomon and others are now regularly heckled at speaking events, and denounced on websites as "gatekeepers." <<<
Let's not forget others like "Rolling Stone's" Matt Taibbi, "The Progressive's" Matt Rothschild, "Salon.com's" Kathy Walsh, and the big one .... Bill Maher. I'd also add in there journalist Robert Fisk, but not as much as the others. He has some sympathies for an indy investigation into 9-11. All of them have all been heckled to the Nth degree as well.
What also bugs me is when they claim, "oh, well then you're just accepting 'the coincidence theory!'"
Whatever.
The "truth movement" was granted permanent open status as soon as George W. Bush declared that he did not want any investigation of the attacks. So many unanswered questions remain: the molten metal, the implosion of building 7, the pre-warnings of the attack, unheeded by the government and the airlines, no fighter jets scrambling, no video of the "airline" hitting the Pentagon. Only a re-opening of the 911 Commission investigation by the next administration will quell the outrage.
It always amazes me when people dismiss the 9/11 Truth Movement as "a conspiracy theory" or say as "randolfski" has written above that "some people prefer conspiracy over reality".
Do such people believe that 19 Arab/Muslim men all decided to hijack passenger jets at the same time by coincidence? The official government stories (plural) all have in common the assertion that the hijackers conspired. The official stories are conspiracy theories. The question is, of course, whether anyone in the U.S. government was involved in the conspiracy.
Conspiracies do happen. If they did not, we would not have laws against conspiring to commit crimes.
In this case we have in print a document published by an organization whose members include or included Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Libby, Bolton, Khalilzad, Abrahms, and other neocons who are or were part of the Bush junta, which specifically called for a "New Pearl Harbor" one year before the attack. Cheney and Rumsfeld went about exclaiming: "We have our New Pearl Harbor!" right after the attack.
At the very least this deserves an independent investigation.
The most damning evidence is the lack of wreckage at both the Pentagon and for Flight 93. The rest can be argued till we're all blue in the face.
That said, the 911 Truthers definitely are shooting themselves in the foot IF they're acting like the zealots they supposedly hate.
I say "IF" because what better way for the government to do a cover-up than to a) marginalize truth groups as Conspiracy Nuts, and b) pay people to conduct some "false flag" demonstrations where they act like idiots in the name of the Truthers.
How's that for meta-conspiracy!
Yawn... The worst thing about the conspiracy addicts is just simply how boring they are. I grew up in Dallas and was there in 6th grade when Kennedy was shot, and had to endure that cult for decades at short range.
It would be much better if those so concerned about the physics of falling buildings and bullet angles would simply confine themselves to reading more Sherlock Holmes novels, studying alien abductions, and engaging in New Age cures, instead of trying to be political, when actually they just simply are not.
David Rovics points out that there simply are too many real conspiracies that do need exposing by The Left for all of us to actually begin to trail behind 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists' Pied Piper qualities like dumb mice lost in the what ifs?
Certainly it is stupid to try to turn the what ifs? into an uncertain dead certainty, which is precisely where so many seem to want to go. The conspiracy theorists and their theories may well be the real conspiracy?
cui bono, "Good for whom?" "Who benefited?
The owner of the buildings [2 billion insurance payoff], military industrial media complex [trillion plus in contracts], kleptocracy run by Bu$hCo [most powerful executive in American history], oil companies etc are on the top of the list as big winners...
Afganistan, Iraq and middle east etc big losers...
Dave, you show me a single movement ever in the history of our species that cannot come under the kind of criticism you just pronounced against those who don't buy the official fiction about 9/11. I dare ya ;)
Sure, 9/11 Truthers, Environmentalists, Right to Lifers, Pro Choicers, socialists, capitalists -- and on and on -- will find themselves placed within the political dynamic of the day. As such they will contribute to some causes and detract from others, often unwittingly. This is understandably frustrating to some of your causes. But to write an article like yours detracting from 9/11 truthers just because you don't see them lining up with all your progressive causes evades the very truth they are bringing before you and the entire world. That truth, which you skillfully evade, is this: the government and mainstream media simply came out within three hours and dictated exactly what you were to believe about the events of September 11, 2001. And you essentially bought into it out of nothing but terror. Their narrative, which they have stuck to since then, with both progressives and conservatives backing them, is that evil dark-skinned, hook-nosed, Koran-toting towelheads "from over there" came over here and attacked us; therefore we must go over there and destroy them so they can never come over here and "get us" again. And mind you, the government "knew" this to be the absolute truth and insisted that you believe it BEFORE A SINGLE INVESTIGATOR VISITED THE CRIME SCENE TO COLLECT EVEN A THIMBLEFUL OF FORENSIC EVIDENCE. If you study history, Dave, you will see that this is the same exact method the government pulled on us in 1963 when President Kennedy was gunned down in public. And, by the way, the government's official fiction for THAT event is only believed by about 25% of the American public. The 9/11 official fiction, once believed by 90% of the public is now down to about 40% and sinking about as fast as the US dollar.
Now, as to science, Dave, please don't talk about "the science" of the 9/11 official fiction until you take the time to study some real science. And to that effect I would urge you to begin by having a long hard look at the fine item "Silicon Valley Architects Question 9/11" posted on www.sillyConValley.net. The item points to a very extensive and authentic investigation by Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth into the forensic evidence of the collapse of all three WTC buildings on September 11. If you take the time to study even 5% of the massive evidence reviewed there -- most of which, by the way, was never even noticed by the 9/11 Commission and progressives like yourself -- you will, if reasonable and open-minded, be led to the inevitable conclusion that the US intelligence community and Homeland Security are about as trustworthy as the global corporations that fund them -- the same global corporations that progressives know are destroying the environment and carrying out an endless war on a phantom enemy that can neither be seen nor heard yet must be believed in and feared. We'll see you again, Dave, when you're ready to get serious and argue the facts. Thanks for having the courage to stick your neck out!
"These buildings are almost literally "houses of cards." Knowing this, I would be afraid to work in such a building!"
No, you should not be afraid, because the building is designed resist all but extremely improbable natural and non-deliberate man-made forces, which, in turn, when scaled, are as weak as a very lightly exhaled breath (wind), or light tapping on the table (earthquake) would be to a house of cards - albeit one with much more reliable and predictable strength at the card edges.
And, when such a large structure does get overwhelmed, or fails due to a structural flaw and begins to collapse, you should not expect it to behave like a flag pole or tabletop-sized model of a bulding.
To understand the effect of scale, imagine Mount Ranier 10 feet in heightor even a solid mass of granite like Yosemites El Cap, scaled down to a stone wall. Would such a scaled down mountain behave like a boulder or rock-ledge of the same material as the mountain? No! If you atempted to climb Paul Bunyan-like up such a mountain, it would crumble under your weight and have the apparent consistency of a mound of medium-soft clay. The 3000 ft vertical face of El cap, scaled down to the scale of a hillside ledge, would crumble under any attempt grab a handhold and clamber over it. But are you afraid to stand on a mountain or beneath it in a tunnel?
I have not read a single article supporting the official 9-11 story that has been able to explain away the presence of thermite in the wreckage of the Twin Towers. I've also yet to read a supporter of the official story explain away the demolition of WTC Building 7.
People describe the destruction of these buildings as a vast conspiracy. I for one do not doubt that Arab hijackers took over those planes and crashed them into the Twin Towers. However I do believe that a group of operatives were able to plant explosives in the buildings. A demolition team operating directly out of Cheney's office would not require a vast conspiracy network. Instead you have a small team of dedicated men being directed by an even smaller group of men.
If I were in charge I would use ONE trusted lieutenant and a small group of retired special ops soldiers that share my world view. On the day of the attack I would purposefully plant a terrorist drill to increase the probability of success for the foreign hijackers. It is a good thing that my friends in Israel have been tailing the hopeful hijackers for months now. I would also need access to the buildings and unless I'm mistaken a member of the Bush family was in charge of certain parts of the building. I really do not feel like googling this stuff right now. My only point is that this would not require a vast conspiracy.
One office, the Office of the Vice President, could manipulate the federal government into standing down its defenses. It also has access to intelligence reports with probable attack dates. Cheney is also a true believer in his own power. O, and this is very important, the governing philosophy of the neo-con movement is that they are the only people who can be entrusted with the truth. They have no issue misleading the public or hurting the general public as long as their truth is advanced.
I will support the official 911 story if anyone can explain away thermite, Israel art students, AND why Cheney insisted on a terrorist training drill on the very same day as the attack.
I have written a defense of "conspiracy theory". In that, I argued that real conspiracies probably include plans to debunk their exposure. I here quote my example from the "October Surprise" conspiracy:
---But the question remains open, why are there now more conspiracy theories than in the past? Wouldn't it be ironic if the people who do the conspiracies were also promoting conspiracy theories, as part of their deceptions and cover-ups? The crazier the better. These agencies probably have special units that sponsor and disseminate conspiracy theories. For example, on April 7, 1992, the PBS show, "Frontline," aired the report, "Investigating the October Surprise." This is a conspiracy theory that CIA director Casey, when campaign manager for Ronald Reagan, arranged that Iran would hold US hostages until Reagan and Bush won the 1980 election. In September, 1988, a Mr. Razim called into a Los Angeles open-line radio talk show and later to Der Spiegel magazine and identified a list of people at a meeting between the Reagan-Bush campaign and the Iranians. One of those identified confirmed the meeting, but reporters found that another was on live TV in the US at the time of the alleged meeting. Der Spiegel later determined that Mr. Razim was actually Oswald LeWinter. He was an expatriate teacher in Germany, who admitted to PBS that he was indeed Razim. He explained that he had been hired by four American intelligence operatives to "salt October Surprise allegations with enough false information to discredit the whole story." [Ross, R. (Producer) (1992, April 7)."Investigating the October Surprise." PBS documentary.]---
Back to the 9/11 conspiracy. I was at first skeptical but the collapse of WTO Building #7 and the initial minimal damage to the Pentagon have persuaded me that the official story is a cover-up of a real conspiracy. Building #7 could not collapse like that because some furniture was burning on some floors, and the wide wings, big engines, and high tail of a commercial jet could not hit a building, cause no damage, and then disappear. Some of the supposed advocates of the 9/11 conspiracy theory are probably agents saying crazy things as obnoxiously as possible in order to discredit the reasonable arguments and evidence. Don't believe everything you hear or read.
I've written David a couple long e mails about this when it first came out. I know him, and he's a great guy. However, here, he paints too broadly with this conspiracy theorist as loony brush to be taken seriously. So, too, many other liberals at CommonDreams. Note that CommonDreams never publishes any of the serious 9/11 scholars' rebuttals to rudimentary rubbish like this from Rovics, Ridgeway, Rothchild, Cockburn, Allen, Jensen, Soloman, et al. They all cite debunked studies and few if any have done any research ABOUT the 9/11 scholars or their published works.
If CommonDreams is serious about issues for the progressive community, they shouldn't dial out a percentage that take 9/11 fact-based research seriously.
For more info about things CommonDreams won't publish, see...
http://mythinfo.blogspot.com/
Does Left Gatekeeping have a historical precedent?
YES.
See the history of the CIA funded Encounter Magazine.
This is a KNOWN A PROVEN VARIABLE IN HISTORY AND NOT MERE CONJECTURE. Please read for yourself.
Frances Stonor Saunders: The Cultural Cold War: The CIA and the World of Arts and Letters.
The strategy was "lets give them one of THEIR mags, and the disinformation will flow better because it is in one of their magazines"
The specious attempt to use race in the above article--bunch of red-faced white men-- reminds me of George Bush's line that anyone who disapproved of the invasion was racist against Arabs, because they didnt think they were fit for democracy.
Once again namecalling. I am a "leftist"-- whatever that means these days who had 9/11 smoke blow through my window.
I read the NYT EVERY DAY COVER TO COVER in 2002 and 2001. Now I see David Ray Griffin attacked with sandbox level namecalling by great minds like Chomsky when VIRTUALLY EVERY LAST FOOTNOTE IS FROM MAINSTREAM MEDIA LIKE THE nyt I READ FIVE YEARS AGO.
If you believe that left gatekeeping is just a paranoid buzzword with no real history behind it, then I strongly recommend the following book: Nervous Liberals: Propaganda Anxiety between WWI and the Cold War by Brett Gary.
This was published by the Columbia University Press in their Twentieth Century History series. Mr. Gary's book is a great place to research the historical origins of "left gatekeeping"
It is term that is far more than a buzzword--provided one is interested in history rather than subsidized namecalling.
Hey Rovics and all you other people who love believing in the lies you are told -- 9/11 HAD TO BE AN INSIDE JOB. Just think A LITTLE, and you would realize that. There's tons and tons of discrepancies of what we were told and what the evidence shows but you go ahead and keep believing your government is full of saints. One day you will all wake up. As one retired administrator who worked under Reagan during his adminstration has said, "I believe that one day in the United States it will be common knowledge that 9/11 was an inside job designed to gain the support of the American people to seize and control the oil in the Middle East".
But you all keep on sleeping. The truth will come out whether you like it or not. Gain some strength so you can take it. Your government lied to you and committed a high act of treason by killing 3,000 of their own citizens for a long-held agenda of oil and empire. Brace yourselves --- it's probably about to happen again. This time it will be blamed on Iran. But you go ahead and believe them again. bush and cheney love people like you.
Who is David Rovics, and why does he have "fans"?
Am I supposed to recognize the name of this person? From his aricle, he seems to think that everyone should know who he is, and that no introduction is required?
From his article, I take it that he is some kind of musician...is he a busker or something? Should I mail him a quarter for reading his article?
It is stunning to me that Official Good Published McLeftistst like Cockburn and Chomsky (Mr. It doesn't matter) still use brief quotations from some of the more ridiulous ALTERNATIVE THEORIES to cover up the naked-Emperor fact that the official conspiracy theory has been an acknowledged failure EVEN BY ITS LEADERS HAMILTON AND KEAN!
It ought to be clear to all that want a real invesigation of the causes belli against both our Constitution and Iraq-- that mentioning alternative explanations is counterproductive. 9/11 is now a communications issue. Mentioning alternative theories to the government's at this point are simply playing into the disinformation strategies of those utter professionals at The Nation.
The trick is to create a COMMON DENOMINATOR. That can ONLY be done by emphasizing the utter failure of the The Official 9/11 Report and the contradictions of government officials about what happened on 9/11. This is why David Ray Griffin's New book is so important.
One of the acts that points to coverup to me is, Why was the wreakage of the WTC never examined, and quickly sold as scrap overseas?
I watch CSI once in a while, and you almost NEVER see David Caruso selling off crime scene evidence as it arrives from the scene.
One Word: GATEKEEPER
Let's see if I got this right.
The Repugs say to everything, e.g. stolen elections, torture, imperial presidency, constant war, et al, "SHUT YOUR MOUTH. PUT YOUR HEAD DOWN. GO AWAY!!"
On any issue the Dims don't want to use against the Repugs, the Dims say, "SHUT YOUR MOUTH. PUT YOUR HEAD DOWN. GO AWAY!!"
If you offend them both, they both say, "SHUT YOUR MOUTH. PUT YOUR HEAD DOWN. GO AWAY!!"
You see, the Dims want to "Terminate" the electorate as much as the Repugs. Both of them see us as the Enemy.
That's why anybody in the WH can run a false flag operation against the American people, and succeed every single time. The monsters have been running false flag ops since long before I was born. They do it to this day. Some of us have read the PNAC.
The monsters at the top just say, "SHUT YOUR MOUTH. PUT YOUR HEAD DOWN. GO AWAY!!"
It's just to big for the peasants, the Overseers are in it up to their earlobes and the Masters will NEVER allow a full accounting OF ANYTHING.
Hell children, we cannot even get an accounting on the heinous crimes of Dims & Repugs that are documented beyond a shadow of a doubt.
But the Dims will save us, will "...freee us from the bonds of tyranny and the shackles of oppression." It says so on the full color brochure. That's of course after the Dim loser HRC destroys BHO so McCain wins and she and Bill hold the DNC and ALL THE DNC MONEY until 2012 when she can drown all the Dim opposition like puppies and accept the Crown as Queen of America.
So, how does it feel now that MASTER has it all the way up your ass? Full yet? Ah, I can see your mouth is still empty. They have something for that hole too.
911? What 911? So, your government organized the destruction of a couple of buildings so they could take over the country and run it like their own private chicken ranch.
The Dims are merely sorry they weren't in a position to do it themselves. Get over it.
If you aren't prepared to bring this government down with your actions, the rest is just wussy boys blowing gas. They do that a lot here. They think its a substitute for real actions. That's why Chaney says, "So?"
Get over it or bring it down like they did with building 7.
truthseeker58, I agree completely.
Yeah, one day soon the MSM will be salivating over a story about how an Iranian warship (a few crazy Iranians in a rubber raft) threatened and shot at (yelled and gave the finger) to one of our 3 battleships that are setting there waiting for the go-ahead for a full strike.
There are probably already magnetic ribbons made up that tell us to support our troops over the skies of Iran. There most likely won't be any ground troops, just bombs from planes and ships.
And of course, only a John McCain would be the next best war president, if the elections are actually held.
The author is a singer songwriter who parrots what he read in the acquiescent media. This article is appropiate for 2001, not anymore.
Sorry to be simplistic but where are you more likely to find the truth?
Physicists, architects, and engineers with degrees?
Or a person who can barely play the guitar and sing.
Look, I think that BushCo can best be understood as a gigantic criminal gang, and that there is really nothing they would not do to amintain and extend their power. Just look at Iraq. Millions displaced or killed, the U.S. Treasury looted for trillions of dollars, all based on lies.
However, as Rovics says, large conspiracies (like global warming debunkers) really don't stand up to focused scientific attention. We KNOW the lies. We actually have counted those lies (something like 250 leading directly to the Iraq invasion, close to 1000 is you count his pitchmen).
So, like Rovics asks, why spend time arguing about whether Bush authorized 9/11, and focus on his KNOWN crimes. God knows there are plenty enough of those.
For the increase of pleasure to occur a change in behavior is necessary for humanity. Regardless of Bush/Cheney involvement with the attacks of 9/11/01, it's the confrontation of the behavior and the how of that confrontation that matters most.
To pursuade someone that Bush/Cheney were on the inside of the attacks, whether true or not, is mush more difficult task of pursuation than swaying the general public that Bush/Cheney lied in a High Crime fashion and thus should be impeached - whether the truth of 9/11/01 comes out, whatever it is, doesn't stop the victory of confronting and changing the sadistic behavior of America stemming from the White House right now via impeachment.
9/11: Never Forget Bush/Cheney manipulated your anger, fear and sorrow over the Twin Tower attacks with lies for personal and political gain - this is betrayal.
9/11: Never Forget Bush/Cheney used the blood of your Troops and the gold of your treasury to halp Halliburton move it's headquarters to Dubai - this is treason.
Never Forget 9/11:
Impeach Bush/Cheney!
Dear Editors,
Publishing rants that polarize the left aren't going to help anyone build the movement.
Relax, let it go, and focus on BUILDING your positions against war and for social justice, rather than attacking the truth movement, which is growing everyday. Someday you may look back and wonder what you were thinking. This happens to all of us -- we are all human -- but ask yourself what you gain by attacking a branch of people who agree with you on almost everything outside of this one issue.
This article has been out for days and many already responded to it so posting it here only wastes everyone's time.
Otto756 ---
Thank you and everyone else who sees this attack on 9/11 Truthers for the nonsense it is . . .
QUOTE: Here's all you really need to know about Mr. Rovics:
"Popular Mechanics' issue on the subject is a good place to start."
It's a good place to start if you like cherry-picked "evidence" and a huge, hidden agenda that is very sympathetic to Bushco and big business.
Like most "debunkers," Rovics conveniently ignores Building 7 and the laws of physics. Building don't come down at free fall speed through the path of greatest resistance. They just don't.
Where did the pools of molten metal that were under all three buildings come from? Jet fuel can't melt steel.
Why did the BBC report that Building 7 had collapsed when it was still standing and visible in their live shot? How did they know it was going to collapse?
Why, within minutes of the Pentagon being hit, did the FBI swoop down upon a gas station to confiscate their surveillance camera tape? Does that sound like a good allocation of manpower at that time? And why have zero (none) of the 85 tapes that captured the Penatgon attack been released? Does that seem at all suspicious?
I could go on and on but I'll end on a little criminology 101: If someone has foreknowledge of a crime, if those people lie about that foreknowledge, if those same people stonewall the investigation and destroy evidence, and if they then profit massively from that crime, they would normally be considered suspects.
I'm just saying . . .UNQUOTE
In response, I'd would just recite all the US programs which have done such worldwide damage and which are now dismantling America --- if we could possibly know and remember all of them.
Malcolm X had it right immediately when he said that the CIA was beginning to practice on America what they had been doing to the rest of the world for decades -- he knew!
Americans are only now beginning to find out about Operation Gladio and Operation Phoenix and all the coups our CIA has pulled around the world --
Mockingbird continues on --
And is Nixon's "Huston Plan" still on the table anywhere?
Sadly, one of the greatest conspiracies capitalism and corrupt government have pulled off is hiding Global Warming from Americans until it is now pretty much too late.
The entire history of our existence here on this continent
is one of conspiracy, beginning with the stealing of this land, enslavement of Africans in America and on and on and on.
What people have we not done harm to?
But, evidently, the most corrupt administration we've ever seen didn't pull off "the Reichstag fire in NYC" . . . ???
When someone can't argue against the truth they turn to character assassination.
The interesting thing is they accuse you of being what they are!
The first thing we should do is impeach for the lies we were told about Iraq. Everything else will follow.
Progressives who question the value of the 9/11 self-styled truth squads do not do so because they are predisposed to believe administration or MIC fairy tales. I certainly believe nothing from either source. And I am open-minded about the possibility of prior knowledge of administration officials, even precise prior knowledge, as I am with regard to FDR about Pearl Harbor. I also think it more likely than not that Reagan's team illegally negotiated with the Iranians before the election of 1980 and that John Paul I, the pope preceding John Paul II, was assassinated by the CIA in order to place that anti-communist and enemy of liberation theology in there. And I am willing to believe that the FBI or the CIA, or both, had a hand in both MLK's and RFK's assassinations.
And I know, as most progressives do, that Bush and Cheney would sacrifice the lives of millions of Americans, or billions of humans, if they could gain some personal advantage from it, and not even blink an eye. And I know that to both men the constitution is a nuisance and "partriotism" is simply a tool to use to fleece the suckers, and that they would not sacrifice the tip of a fingernail to improve the lot of ordinary Americans.
However, there are two huge problems with the 9/11 conspiracy theories. (1) As Rovics points out, the scientific community has rejected them and this is a community that cannot be bullied into supporting administration positions that are clearly at odds with the evidence; and (2) the complete incompetence of the Bush/Cheney criminal gang make it extremely unlikely they could have so cleanly pulled off such a difficult mission.
It is likely the administration welcomed the attacks and would have turned a "blind eye" to any evidence that they were forthcoming. Possibly there was even some administration aid to the hijackers. But we will probably never know for certain. What we do know and what we can agree on is that the administration used these attacks to justify criminal policies at home and abroad and it is in the interests of all of us and even the entire human race to stop them.
USAn April 7th, 2008 11:01 am:
"Yes, it was necesary for CD to publish this "rant". The 911 Truth nuts are destroying the credibility of the dissident left in the US."
Very good post, USAn. Me thinks David Rovics struck a nerve.
frudmin April 7th, 2008 12:16 pm:
"But the question remains open, why are there now more conspiracy theories than in the past?"
Are there more conspiracy theories, frudmin? If there are, perhaps it might be due to the increased secrecy in the USA? Remember the old Soviet Union? We had to read the tea leaves to guess what was really going on.
I don't know if safiyyah is trying to disprove or prove what the 9/11 Truthers are saying when he says, "I grew up in Dallas and was there in 6th grade when Kennedy was shot, and had to endure that cult for decades at short range."
You know what safiyyah? That "cult" was right. They were right that the government lied. They were right that evidence was destroyed. They were right that the War Machine benefited.
Does any of that sound familiar?
To all the other haters on this thread that dismiss the Truth Movement out of hand, not a single one of you has addressed the question: Where did the molten metal come from?
Until you can answer that, you lose this debate. Game over.
"What we do know and what we can agree on is that the administration used these attacks to justify criminal policies at home and abroad and it is in the interests of all of us and even the entire human race to stop them."
kivals, I agree. I see 3 scenarios with 9-11.
1)The administration (cheney) had a hand in it.
2)They knew about it and let it happen.
3)They got out their playbook and took full advantage of it to promote their agenda.
I believe any of the three require FULL investigations and very likely impeachment. So come on Nancy and Harry, let the investigations begin. Yeah, right.
At every protest I've been to, I've encountered several types of people. (My favorite are the "Chem Trails" folks.)
But let's be serious: there are centrists, Vietnam vets, bicycle activists, kids with bandanas covering their faces, cursing and flipping off the cops, babies, toddlers who've been told to carry signs, students, priests, grocery clerks, office workers, teachers, people who supported Afghanistan, people who didn't, and so on.
It's unreasonable to attack people for being individuals, and vocal. That's the point of protests and that's the point of democracy. That the "progressive movement" is A: a permanent cohesion of groups bent on B: a common goal is delusional. Such a thing is very loosely defined, and it would be better not to think it confined to a sand box, or else you eventually have to kick everybody out.
Mr. Rovics -
I have several of your songs. "The Village Where Nothing Happened" I like especially. I admire your work and your insight.
I must disagree with you regarding 9/11. I do not believe that this event was "an occurrence the government took advantage of" as you claim. I believe the 9/11 event was a false flag operation set up and executed by US Government agencies. It involved computer-control of commercial aircraft in a wargame simulation, controlled demolition of all 3 buildings, and manipulation of press. No 'muslim terrorists' were involved. No investigation was ever conducted, evidence was quickly destroyed, and a powerful effort has been continuously underway to portray any naysayers as paranoid kooks. My opinion is not based on political bias but lengthy study of facts regarding the event. Still, the scenario fits the facts but is not established fact itsself, it is therefore opinion, just as it is your opinion that hijackers crashed the aircraft and fire toppled the buildings.
I'm taken aback at your attitude toward the Truth Movement. Instead of dismissing it and working to cover up the crime, I would think that you would see that a serious investigation needs to be conducted (without torture) and those responsible need to be brought to justice. Currently enough doubt remains that something needs to be done to remove the 'fishy' smell. Pointing fingers and calling people whackos isn't going to solve the problem. It's like trying to wash out a grass stain with plain water.
I implore you to use your talent and your intelligence to help put this to rest. Help everyone regardless of their opinion by pushing for a serious investigation into this event. Something happened on that day. What was it?
truthtell -
> That one fact is that the towers came down at virtual free fall speed. ... this means at a rate of TEN FLOOR A SECOND! WITHOUT EXPLOSIVES, THIS IS A PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBILITY.
The fact you need to remember is that this is NOT an impossibility at 32 feet per second squared. The very first floor might have been slower but the last floor would have been extremely fast.
"One can ,of course, imagine another way in which order can be preserved in all such cases: namely, by meeting the demands, or at least by removing the barriers that have been placed,by force which may be latent and disguised, in the way of attempts to satisfy the "newly acquired aspirations." But this might mean that the wealthy and powerful would have to sacrifice some degree of privilege, and it is therefore excluded as a method for maintenance of order."
Noam Chomsky from Objectivity and Liberal Scholarship
I'm gonna have to take Noam's word on this one folks.This system of ours has been built so events like Waco, Oklahoma City , 911 ,assasinations of JFK,MLK,RFK,Vince Foster and on and on seem to be acceptable prices to pay for the privileged no matter what new name they affix to there selective groups.
I remember telling a landlord friend of a friend just after the invasion of Iraq that this was all a ruse to gain a stronger hold on the mid eastern oil fields.
His reply was that anyone that thought that was insane.
Goofy bastards like him and Mr. Rovics are the cause of my insanity .
Just reading the article gave me a desire to have my brain washed.
" In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
George Orwell
Don't get me wrong I have the up most respect for Goodman ,Barsamian and Chomsky .They have done us all a great service and I don't know why they are silent about the controversial events of 911.
I believe that the 911 Report is bullshit as is the Warren Commission findings and many other stories that the populace is feed by the government through the media. Maybe some of the answers lie in the words of Chomsky quoted here or what was it that Thomas Jefferson warned us?
If my memory serves me it was something to the effect of:
The man that read nothing at all is more likely to know the truth than a man that reads only the newspaper.
Please don't call me a nut case because I refuse to be lead around by a hoop in my nose as you apparently have Mr.Rovics and the like.
I'm from PA but your still gonna have to "Show me" some factual evidence if you want me to buy that shit.
911 TRUTH doesn't offend me at all.