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As Guantanamo Trials Near, Pentagon Limits What Can Be Reported
GUANTANAMO BAY NAVY BASE, Cuba - A defense lawyer lets slip at the war court convening here that a battlefield commander changed an Afghanistan firefight report in a way that seemed to help a U.S. government murder case. Reporters hear the field commander's name but are forbidden to report it.
In another case, a judge approves the release of a captive's interrogation video showing the blurred face of an American agent. But a federal prosecutor on loan to the Pentagon withholds it ``out of an abundance of caution.''
Even as the U.S. government edges toward full-blown, war-crimes trials by military commission here, with more hearings next week, all sides are grappling with what information can be made public and what must be kept secret.
Consider: A new courtroom here sequesters Pentagon-approved spectators behind a soundproofed window. If a terror suspect tries to shout about his treatment in U.S. custody, a military censor can mute the audio feed that observers hear.
Under rules that protect interrogation techniques, the Pentagon's war court won't let the reputed 9/11 architect, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, say he was waterboarded - something the CIA director, Air Force Gen. Michael V. Hayden, confirmed on Feb. 5.
Pentagon officials defend the Military Commissions as engaged in a delicate balancing act -- working to mete out justice to war-on-terrorism captives without exposing U.S. intelligence tactics and personnel to public scrutiny.
As long as there is an al Qaida, they argue, such information could be used to hurt Americans or their allies.
At the same time, the commissions architects have long pledged that they will be open to international scrutiny.
''We can't disclose classified information. We can't disclose privacy information,'' the war-court legal advisor, Brig. Gen. Thomas Hartmann, said in an interview.
Unlike in federal courts, jurors at commissions are U.S. officers. In some circumstances, they can see or hear evidence that is shielded from the public.
Hartmann argues that a commissions defendant gets the same rights as a soldier at a court-martial -- among them an American military lawyer to defend him, and a presumption of innocence.
Attorneys for the Guantánamo captives disagree. They argue that, unlike civilian or military justice systems, the rules favor the government and permit evidence gleaned from abusive interrogations.
The Pentagon prosecutor has accused six of the 280 or so captives here of being 9/11 conspirators. If Hartmann's boss approves the death-penalty charges, conviction could end in their execution.
Meantime, the American Civil Liberties Union is suing the Bush administration in federal court to unseal portions of transcripts from military hearings, in which Mohammed and others now held at Guantánamo lay out allegations of torture.
'There is no remotely legitimate basis for the government to withhold these prisoners' account of their mistreatment,'' says Ben Wizner, an ACLU staff attorney and sometime war-court observer.
''I would simply note that governments don't censor information to conceal lies,'' Wizner said. ``They censor information to conceal the truth.''
The military says these trials -- the first war-crimes tribunals since World War II -- are unprecedented because they risk talking about tactics while the nation is at war. Hence, the need for secrecy.
Critics say such secrecy could strip the military commissions of legitimacy.
When he was chief prosecutor, Air Force Col. Moe Davis once likened Guantánamo detainees to ''vampires'' fearful of the bright light of American justice.
But then in October he resigned his post, protesting what he called political pressure to speed up the cases -- and sacrifice transparency. Rushing them, he said, risks using secret evidence or confessions gained through tough interrogation tactics.
With time, he said in a recent interview, the prosecution can build public cases using evidence from before Mohammed's capture -- and before he was waterboarded by the CIA.
''If they want to take KSM out and shoot him, I would have no problem with that. Fine,'' he said, using Mohammed's initials. ``If they want to call it military justice, you've gotta give him a fair trial.''
Meantime, the Pentagon has created a labyrinth of bureaucracy that shields from public disclosure some of the inner workings of the commissions.
Reporters and other observers must agree to a series of regulations that have no counterpart in the civilian court system. Journalists are forbidden, for example, to report anything uttered in court that a Pentagon security officer declares ``protected information.''
Earlier this month, a Navy defense lawyer mistakenly spoke the last name of the battlefield commander at the capture of a 15-year-old Canadian in Afghanistan. Reporters were instructed to identify him only as ''Lt. Col. W.,'' or risk being banned from covering the court.
In the case of the interrogation video, Judge Keith Allred, a Navy captain, approved its release in December. It shows Osama bin Laden's driver, a Yemeni in the garb of a bushy-bearded South Asian, being questioned soon after his capture by U.S. allies in November 2001 in Afghanistan.
The driver's attorney, Lt. Cmdr. Brian Mizer, believes it is the first recorded battlefield interrogation of an alleged al Qaeda associate during the U.S. invasion meant to topple the Taliban, dismantle al Qaeda and capture bin Laden and other 9/11 plotters.
But Army Reserves Maj. Bobby Don Gifford, a federal prosecutor on loan to the Pentagon as a public-affairs specialist, said he chose to withhold it from public view ''out of an abundance of caution,'' and offered a cascade of explanations in a March 17 e-mail:
Gordon England, deputy secretary of defense, issued a memo banning the release of Guantánamo detainee photos. The Pentagon is bound by the Geneva Conventions not to humiliate detainees, it said, and ``We respect the dignity of all persons.''
Then this, 'Geneva Conventions prohibit the use of images that could be deemed `propaganda,' and because I don't know or can control what others may do with it -- I don't want to be in the position of violating the law -- thus I'm exercising caution.''
Under the system, the Pentagon says the Office of Military Commissions -- not the judge -- has the last word on what the public can see.
In a November response to a written protest by attorneys for The New York Times and other news organizations, the commission deputy legal advisor, Michael Chapman, explained it this way: Military judges are charged with ``the delicate balance of providing for the public interest in the commission proceedings, protecting the rights of the accused, maintaining witness privacy, securing classified or sensitive information and ensuring the interests of justice are appropriately respected and protected.''
Despite the controls, some of the trial evidence is popping up elsewhere.
A video clip of Canadian captive Omar Khadr allegedly learning to plant mines as a teen in Afghanistan turned up on 60Minutes last year. Yet the Pentagon has so far declined to provide reporters covering the commissions with copies of it, saying they don't know who leaked it -- or how.
Khadr's Pentagon-appointed defense attorneys have consistently complained about a lack of transparency in the process. Khadr is accused of throwing a grenade in a 2002 firefight in Afghanistan that fatally wounded a sergeant with the U.S. Special Forces.
© 2008 McClatchy Newspapers
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Show AllLynching is right, there is no other word to describe what is going to happen with these kangaroo trials. It would have been better for the international image of the usa if they had just taken them out and shot them, at least then the barbarity would be honest.
As long as America is 'at war', as long as there is 'an enemy', truth will not see the light of day.
And why is America 'at war'? Because George Bush said so, unConstitutionally.
Congress could do their duty and impeach the President for violating the Constitution, but I'm dreaming again, aren't I?
This is so dictatorial that I get pissed just reading it.They are not protecting anyone but themselves from future jail time.Are we a free peoples with laws for all or we just make up laws as we go along to suit a particular situation like Hitler and Stalin and any number of other dictators?Tony
I believe that few of the stories posted at CD each day surprise many of us. We continually see that cheney, bush, the military, corporations, etc do what they want and ignore the wishes, concerns or well-being of Americans and the rest of the world. Each day they get away with more and more and there are absolutely no consequences.
The four new prinicpals of US "Justice"
See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil, Just Do Evil
AGAIN...ASHAMED TO BE AMERICAN!!!
This is a quality news piece. I think all the angles were covered. I learned a few new things: I laughed when I read the bit about the "pentagon approved spectators" being behind a soundproof window. Perhaps it is a Victorian thing, "Justice should be seen and not heard!"
"If they want to take KSM out and shoot him, I would have no problem with that. Fine," he said, using Mohammed's initials. "If they want to call it military justice, you've gotta give him a fair trial." – Moe Davis is being honest about this, I believe. What Davis is not doing, I've noticed, is care about justice enough to tell us about all the horrors that are going on inside the Pentagon's prisons that are still kept secret.
The only other thing I would add is about the title. If Americans keep calling this charade a trial, they are only fermenting disgust that will inevitably come back to haunt them and anyone associated with them. You would be surprised how much truth and justice matters to people outside of the border walls you are building for yourselves.
Do these Lynchings have Congressional approval?
Be ashamed. Be very ashamed.
Bad karma lasts a long long time.
What a joke that this site posts such an article when this very same site bans and censors people and their posts ! Talk about sheer HYPOCRISY ! So much for freedom !!
This is just like the Soviet "show trials," but a little bit more high tech. Any time a "defendant" protests in any way, they will mute him and attribute it to an "attempted disruption of the trial" by the defendant.
It wouldn't surprise me if there isn't some plea bargaining going on. "If I plead guilty, will you just kill me and stop torturing me?"
Unfortunately, you couldn't even believe this government if it agreed to that.
Omar Khadr's lawyers are presently trying to get a hold of the copies of the information the US refuses to release that they gave Canadian authorities. It is before the Supreme court.
I will try to give whatever information is released to the Canadian media concerning Omar Khadr in threads which talk about torture since there probably won't be one specifically on Khadr if the Americans aren't getting any information.
This is quite a contrast to the Nuremberg Trials, where the proceedings were open for all to see. It speaks volumes that Dubya, Cheney, & Co. are afraid to put the Guantanamo Trials in the public arena. Even the Soviet show trails were public.
honestly, a website editing or removing users or their comments on a news blog cannot be compared to, or thought to be remotely the same thing, as a government and military concealing information and lying about their physical actions.
"I would simply note that governments don't censor information to conceal lies," Wizner said. "They censor information to conceal the truth."
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To me, the above reads like professional politeness, a tactful criticism from Wizner.
The truth as we all know is, this government conceals everything except it's bald-faced arrogance, unselfconscious greed and a brand of idiocy which borders upon lunacy.
It'd be incorrect to label these farcical hearings as 'show trials' although they'll be about as just, they seem to be more an experiment in extra-judicial shadow theater. Performances that hopefully all Americans will boo.
Comparing these trials to the Nuremberg Trials and the Soviet show trials - nasty! The Nuremberg trials involved war criminals - legally child soldiers cannot be considered war criminals. Cheney is no longer a child, though.
Nothing surprises you - yet.
There was something about Khadr in Question Period the other day which shows you the Harper Government's opinon concerning this issue. Both Helena Guergis (who is engaged to fellow MP Rahin Jaffer) and Maxime Bernier are MPs (ie Congresspersons) for Stephen Harper's party. Jaffer is on record for supporting the war in Iraq. I think that you are all qualified enough to uncover the proceding mistruths for yourselves:
Monday, March 31, 2008
Ms. Francine Lalonde (La Pointe-de-l'ÃŽle, BQ): Mr. Speaker, the Conservative government has yet to respond to our repeated requests to bring the young Canadian Omar Khadr back to Canada. The International Convention on the Rights of the Child, signed by Canada, considers child soldiers to be victims that need our protection.
What is stopping this government, which invested in rehabilitating Afghan child soldiers, from taking immediate action in favour of a child soldier who is, I would remind the House, a Canadian citizen?
Hon. Helena Guergis (Secretary of State (Foreign Affairs and International Trade) (Sport), CPC): Mr. Speaker, I have informed the House, on several occasions, that we have received assurances that Mr. Khadr is receiving consular services. His human rights are being met at this point. I can assure the member that we will continue to monitor this case.
It is important to remember that Omar Khadr is facing the very serious charge of murder.
Ms. Francine Lalonde (La Pointe-de-l'ÃŽle, BQ): Mr. Speaker, the information we have suggests more and more that this accusation could have been falsely made. The Conservative government's position on the Khadr affair is a clear violation of the United Nations convention concerning child soldiers.
Is the government aware that, by doing nothing, it is tarnishing Canada's reputation as a promoter and defender of human rights, and especially children's rights?
Hon. Helena Guergis (Secretary of State (Foreign Affairs and International Trade) (Sport), CPC): Mr. Speaker, again, I have assured the House that Mr. Khadr is being treated humanely. I will point out that many of the questions the member has raised are definitely arguments that would be heard in a courtroom.
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Hon. Irwin Cotler: With regard to Canadian citizen Omar Khadr, detained at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba: (a) when was the government first made aware of his detention; (b) does the government consider that he was a child soldier at the time of his initial detention; (c) what efforts, if any, have been made to seek his return to Canada; (d) what consular services and government protections have been afforded to him; (e) does the government intend to participate or intervene in any way during his trial; (f) has the government undertaken any effort to extradite him, or have him otherwise returned to Canada; (g) will the government seek clemency if he is sentenced to death; (h) what assurances has the government received that he is being treated humanely; and (i) is the government aware of, or has it investigated, reports of abusive and ill treatment during his detention?
Hon. Maxime Bernier (Minister of Foreign Affairs, CPC): Mr. Speaker, in response to (a), the Government of Canada became aware in August 2002 that Omar Khadr, who had been captured by U.S. forces following a firefight in July 2002, was a person under control, PUC, at Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan and facing serious charges. On October 30, 2002, the government was informed by the United States, U.S., that Omar Khadr had been transferred to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
In response to (b), the Canadian government has consistently acknowledged that Mr. Khadr was a minor at the time of his alleged offences and arrest. Accordingly, Canada has continuously demanded that the U.S. government take this into account in all aspects of his detention, treatment, prosecution, and potential sentencing. Based on a motion brought by Mr. Khadr's defence team, the military commission judge is currently considering the impact Mr. Khadr's apparently unlawful recruitment by al-Qaeda should have on the proceedings.
In response to (c), Mr. Khadr's case is subject to multiple and complex litigation, both in Canada and the U.S. It would not be appropriate to speculate on the potential outcome of cases currently before the courts. As such, discussions about Mr. Khadr's return to Canada are premature until such time as the legal process, and the appeals process, have been exhausted.
In response to (d), Mr. Khadr's case has been raised on several occasions at the ministerial level. Canadian officials have conducted seven welfare visits to Mr. Khadr since his arrival at Guantanamo Bay and it is the government's intention to continue these visits. The goal of these visits has been to assess his condition and provide a measure of support during his ongoing incarceration. Through these visits, officials have sought to have Mr. Khadr's detention conditions improved and have made requests for medical treatment and educational support. Officials have also facilitated telephone calls with his family in Canada and access by his Canadian defence lawyers, and have requested repeatedly that Mr. Khadr be given an independent medical and psychological assessment.
In response to (e), Canadian officials have been present as observers at all proceedings against Mr. Khadr in Guantanamo Bay, as well as to the hearing at the Court of Military Commission Review in Washington.
In response to (f), there are no charges outstanding against Omar Khadr in Canada that could be a basis for an extradition request.
In response to (g), the government has received unequivocal assurances from U.S. authorities that Mr. Khadr will not be subject to the death penalty. Charges against Mr. Khadr were referred on a non-capital basis.
In response to (h) and (i), the government has sought and received assurances that Mr. Khadr is being treated humanely, and has repeatedly inquired into his well-being when allegations were made of mistreatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Canadian officials have carried out regular welfare visits with Mr. Khadr, resulting in, among other things, a transfer into a minimal security, communal detention facility. Government officials will continue to conduct these visits.
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/housechamberbusiness/chambersittings.aspx?View=H&Parl=39&Ses=2&Language=E&Mode=1
As part of their budget, the Conservatives have put in a line giving the Minister of Immigration more arbitrary power to decide who does and doesn't get into Canada - which is a sneaky way of harmonizing Canada's immigration policy with the USA's. Hope that there will be stuff on that on Common Dreams as well - especially with the newly uncovered 1991 tape.
The whole idea that they're putting people they captured on the battlefield on trial for "war crimes" where the war criminals really are the Americans is one of the most egregious slaps in the face to international law and justice. It's rediculous that they acuse someone of war-crimes for fighting to resist an invading force (The Americans).
"Khadr is accused of throwing a grenade in a 2002 firefight in Afghanistan that fatally wounded a sergeant with the U.S. Special Forces."
Even if Khadr did throw the grenade, or hell, blew the heads off of 50 US troops, he's STILL not guilty of war crimes OR murder. It's war people! The US invaded the country... that country has the right to defend itself. Now if Khadr threw a grenade into a crowd of civilians, then that's a war crime and he should be punished... JUST like when the US troops open fire on civilians or drop bombs into crowded neighbourhoods... THAT'S a war crime. The US hypocrisies are so bloody nauseating.
Vaudree said: "Hope that there will be stuff on that on Common Dreams as well - especially with the newly uncovered 1991 tape."
What 1991 tape? Please enlighten us.
When I grew up on the shores of the river Plate, for a long while, every month or so, boxes or cabin trunks would be washed up on the shore, sometimes near Montevideo, sometimes as far down as Punta del Este, and inside them would be partially decomposed bodies.
Months later, there would appear somewhere inside the news papers short articles identifying the remains as Argentineans, Uruguayans or Paraguayans who had originated in Germany and served in the SS or SA in WWII.
It was suspected that the Israelis where working their way methodically through lists.
If we look at the abduction, incarceration, torture, and this kangaroo justice that is being dispensed by what can only be called a TERRORIST state, already responsible for the deaths, disappearances and displacements of millions, on the basis of lies and intrigue by a fascist administration, why should anybody have any hesitation NOT to compare this administration to that of the Third Reich, and of Bush to Hitler. Just like the Germans in the 30s we don't know the half of it yet!
I expect it is only a matter of time until we see washed up on beaches somewhere the decomposing bodies of American men and even women who served this Terrorist State in Washington, Langley, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo or Bagram.
I imagine that the last thoughts of those men in South America, years ago, having lived long lives since their crimes under changed identities just before the two bullets went into their brain was, "How can they blame me, I had no choice, I was a young German in the military, I was just following orders, it came from the Fuehrer."
Personally I abhor what was done to those people. We can only hope the Americans will be given fair and just trials, for the war crimes they are now committing. But if I was part of this criminal system today, I would be very careful in future to remember that America may not be able to protect me or insure that I am given a fair hearing. "I'm an American. I was just following orders. It came from the President" will not be much of a defence either way. If you think this far fetched have a read of "the Green Light" an article by Phillippe Sands, in the May edition of Vanity Fair : http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/05/guantanamo200805?printable=true¤tPage=all
Who put these lunatics in charge? They've turned the world upside down and made us all so hopping mad that we are now in the mad house too? This is how Terrorists make terrorism work. It has become a smaller world as history repeats itself, but some things do not change. Evil is still just evil and what goes around comes around, sooner or later! Its not human revenge or the Lord's retribution, it's the law of Karma.
Every US Citizen should be out in the streets screaming about due process and the need for the transparency of the law. The Republic is over. Get used to it. We now must live with a decaying and doomed experiment in quasi-democracy. How will we reform this monster?
Many have decided that a return to local and regional politics is part of the answer. Can we all work together to strengthen peaceful sustainable and transparent regional politics and wait for Washington to drown in its own effluvia?
Meanwhile serious people will find ways to live more simply and learn how to survive without paying the odious IRS anything other than their Social Security 15%.
There won't be any justice at these trials. The bush White House-in fact the entire administration-is a disgrace to God and country! The republican party is a party of traitors! Period.
Elmysterio - Oh, it is just a tape made by a bunch of Conservatives (some which now hold office) containing sexist, racist and homophobic comments.
Context: The Conservatives are trying to pass through a motion which gives their Minister of Immigration the power to accept or reject immigration applicants based on a whim. Still, the Conservatives have put up enough roadblocks already to prevent gay Muslims from Iran from coming to Canada. And when the US media is trying to convince people that things are going well in Iraq, they won't want Canadians accepting Immigrants from Iraq who have a more realistic view of what is going on there.
MP=Congressperson
Tory=Conservative
Sitting MP Tom Lukiwski has appoligised for the comments (he basically had no choice) and says that they do not reflect his personal views concerning gays (and if you believe that, Omar Khadr is a war criminal). Note also that Bill Siksay, who read Tom Lukiwski's disturbing comments in parliament is married to United Church Minister Brian Burke - so he can repeat the comments without being homophobic:
Saskatchewan MP taped making anti-gay slurs, NDP says
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2008/04/03/lukiwski-video.html
Tory MP apologizes for anti-gay comments
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080403/tape_sask_080403/20080403?hub=TopStories
See video links and note that there will be stuff on Politcs (cbc.ca/politics) and The National (cbc.ca/national) tonight.
Think there is a thread here on Common Dreams about Male American Contractors abusing American women - we know that what they do to your own they are also doing to foreigners. But what do you think the American government will want the Canadian Minister of Immigration to do when women wanting to escape American occupied countries claim that they fear further rapes?
If you want to compare it to something, compare it to Hitler deciding who the US lets into the United States during WWII. That is the relationship between Canada and the US that we are facing if this goes through.
vaudree...which Tories were on this tape???? Are any in the current Cabinet?
I guess once Reform...always Reform, eh?
dont forget to note that young Mr Kadr was shot in the back twice whilst kneeling on the ground facing away from the US army dragoon who arrested him.
they were going to perform a field execution, but the Special Forces politico in the company intervened. thats how he got to Bagram almost dead with 2 large holes in his chest.
there was also a second fighter alive at the time who could have thrown the offending grenade, but he was killed.
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5jHVIsuOkdrLZ1ZL7ERUNzbxJE1iA
as to how good the Canadian Consular services have been...
in the above March 19 Canadian press article:
"In an affidavit released earlier this week, Khadr said he was forced to confess to placate interrogators who shackled him for hours, dropped him and threatened him with rape.
Canadian officials who later visited him in Guantanamo told him he was lying about being innocent and said there was nothing they could do for him, said Khadr."
I hope I never need help like that.
Regarding the arrest of Bin Ladens' driver is probably typical of many incarcerated in Gitmo.What would Bushs',Blairs',Mushariffs',etc drivers know of any plans about anything except where to pull up for lunch.
In addition to torturing ("waterboarding") KSM, our Government also kidnapped and detained KSM's two little sons (under the age of 10) for the purpose of extorting information from him -- a capital crime under the federal Lindberg Kidnapping Act for which the CIA officials (who were then detaining the two little boys within the US) may be prosecuted by the "Justice" Department in Federal District Court in Washington, D.C.. (For instant access to the 2003 London Telegraph story detailing this violation of our federal criminal code, just GOOGLE "CIA holds two Pakistani boys.") As a concerned US citizen and lawyer I have repeatedly called this matter to the attention to my "representatives" in Congress, as well as to the NY Times, Washington Post and LA Times -- with absolutely no acknowledgement from anyone. So much for "representative democracy" and the mythical "free press" in our USA.
These (kangaroo) military commissions are ironic, paradoxical, and contradictory. These criminals/terrorists went into sovereign countries, kidnapped innocent people, took them to other countries, tortured them [some to death], then put them on trial.
By all accounts, it's the kidnappers who should be on trial. contradictory indeed!
The US government acting persistently against the will of the people is a phenomenon that is relatively isolated. Only a handful of authoritarian regimes suppress the public will to such a degree.
Across most of the planet are social demcoracies where the government genuinely fears the people. If the government does something stupid, the people rise up and purge the rats from the hold. The US, China, and Russia lead the axis of totalitarian states. Everyone expects these governments to steamroll over their subjects.
RE: - vaudree…which Tories were on this tape???? Are any in the current Cabinet?
Garvey, one is now Premier of Saskatchewan and the one with the most to worry about is Tom Lukiwski - who is now a sitting MP but wasn't when he made those homophobic comments. Ironically, Tom Lukiwski holds Larry Spencer's former riding (voting district) of Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre. Larry Spencer was the former "family issues critic" when Harper was still in opposition but was turfed from that position and not allowed to run again for the party for comparing homosexuality to colgate toothpaste.
Americans - this is what a sex scandal looks like in Canada. We don't care who anyone sleeps with, we just care about how it affects their ability to do the job. "Stripper-gate" was when then Immigration Minister Judy Sgro fast tracked the citisenship of a stripper from Romania because the woman volunteered her time helping get Sgro elected. This new immigration policy would make what Sgro did legal.
What it has to do with the topic is that, if the immigration policy embedded in the budget goes through, being pro-Bush will probably fast track your application to become a landed immigrant in Canada and being critical about Bush policies is enough to have your application put through the paper shredder. And if Bush wants to make it look like things are going well in Iraq, those fleeing because they fear for their lives will have one less country to welcome them in. If Bush is killing and torturing people from your country (or whose ancestors came from your country) he is going to use his influence to prevent other countries from taking people in from said country.
RE: - Regarding the arrest of Bin Ladens' driver is probably typical of many incarcerated in Gitmo.What would Bushs',Blairs',Mushariffs',etc drivers know of any plans about anything except where to pull up for lunch.
Well, the driver would know where he drove. You are talking about an innocent person who just picked up the wrong guy and pimply kids who are told that they buddies are going to die if the driver doesn't tell them where his passenger went.
Remember Romeo Dallaire who tried to stop the genocide in Rwanda almost single handedly? In Hotel Rwanda there was a caracature of him as the drinking general, but in Canada, he is the hero who saved many lives but who faults himself for not being able to save even more. This is from the Globe and Mail:
Bring Omar Khadr home - By Romeo Dallaire
Omar Khadr is a Canadian citizen who was a 15-year-old child soldier when he allegedly killed a U.S. serviceman during a firefight in Afghanistan. The debate about his return to Canada must begin and end there. That the current and past Canadian governments have failed to secure his release and repatriation is a glaring instance of hypocrisy by this country that prides itself on its advocacy of human rights and adherence to international law.
Child soldiers who are Canadian citizens belong in Canada for due judicial processing and, more importantly, for rehabilitation after having been reared and coerced into extremism and violence.
All other details about Omar Khadr's activities in Afghanistan and the aftermath of his capture by U.S. forces only strengthen the argument for his return. The 15-year-old Omar was in a compound during a U.S. attack and was shot twice in the chest during the raid. After his capture, he was transferred to the U.S.'s infamous Bagram detention facility where he was processed as an adult combatant and very likely mistreated and tortured.
Since 2002, Mr. Khadr has undergone relentless interrogation at the notorious U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. Following years in detention, Mr. Khadr was charged in February, 2007 for war crimes and terrorism under a military tribunal the Bush administration arbitrarily created and continues to manipulate. This makeshift tribunal allows statements made under coercion and hides potentially exculpatory evidence. Despite international protests, Mr. Khadr will be the first ever child soldier tried for alleged war crimes by any Western nation, including the United States.
Canada's Conservative government has demonstrated a sorry lack of decisiveness and effort to bring Khadr home. Our other allies recognized at the outset that Guantanamo was no place for due process, and quickly and successfully pushed for their citizens' release and repatriation. Today, Mr. Khadr is the only remaining citizen of a Western country incarcerated in Guantanamo.
Although Canada has no established system for dealing with child soldiers, we can learn much from nations that do. Rwanda and Sierra Leone, for example, countries we smugly categorize as underdeveloped, use a combination of demobilization, youth justice and rehabilitation on child soldiers who were abused and used to commit unspeakable acts.
Even in Afghanistan where a war is in full swing, thousands of former child soldiers are processed through UN-designed special rehabilitation programs. Such programs are founded on the principle that child soldiers, regardless of their actions during conflict, are themselves victims who were incapable of the adult decision-making consistent with our conventional notions of responsibility and guilt.
In the face of my repeated questions in the Senate and the outcry from human rights groups about Omar Khadr's fate, the Canadian government remains blind and deaf to the obvious. They simply spout the same stock response: he "faces serious charges" and he is "being treated humanely."
As to his status as a child soldier, the government maintains a shameful silence. Perhaps the fact that Khadr's alleged victim was an American intimidates our government. Or perhaps it doesn't like the Khadr family's political views and therefore ignores Omar's plight. How ironic the government fought so vigorously to contain outrage about possible human rights violations of Afghan detainees, yet they ignore those of Mr. Khadr, a Canadian.
Canada's stance on the Khadr case unquestionably violates the spirit of the UN protocol on child soldiers and makes a mockery of our championing this and similar human rights causes.
The recent Manley report on Canada's mission in Afghanistan correctly points out that our commitment "gives faithful expression to our values" and affords us a larger role on the world stage. While the bravery and professionalism of our soldiers in Afghanistan have indeed enhanced our standing as an emerging middle power, the government's handling of other files clearly detracts from our credibility. In Darfur, for example, we have coldly turned our backs on our own Responsibility-to-Protect principles.
The international community notices all of Canada's glaring missteps on the world stage and carefully compares our words to our actions. If we continue to allow discrepancies between the two, we will quickly become known as 'the ugly Canadian' --hypocritical in the international community and uncaring at home. In Omar Khadr's case, we are in danger of being both. - Lt.-Gen. (ret'd) Romeo Dallaire is a Liberal Senator and former Commander of the United Nations Assistance Mission for Rwanda.
A Washington story in four parts! The dark side of justice is injustice. The dark side of injustice is death. The dark side of unjust death is terrorism. The dark side of terrorism is annihilation.
Oceana has always been at War with Eastasia.
"The military says these trials — the first war-crimes tribunals since World War II — are unprecedented because they risk talking about tactics while the nation is at war. Hence, the need for secrecy."
The nation is at war ? You mean the Occupation of Iraq ? or providing sporadic Security for the Mayor of Kabul ? Or occupying South Korea ? or Japan ? Germany ? Or do you mean the 'War on Terror'. Or 'War on Drugs' ? 'War of the Sexes' ? How about the 'War on Poverty', is that one still going on, or did we just walk away from the battlefield...
"Khadr is accused of throwing a grenade in a 2002 firefight in Afghanistan that fatally wounded a sergeant with the U.S. Special Forces."
WTF ? This is what passes as a 'war crime' these days ? What if the guy used just a handgun against the invaders, would that be ok ? Is the grenade too 'terrible' ? Or were they pissed because he didn't have a uniform on ? That would make about 50,000 Americans that infiltrated Germany in WWII 'war criminals'.
I liked the old fashioned International Law, you know, pre 9/11. When 'war criminal' meant some leader of a country that started a war of aggression, no matter what lame excuses he gave his countrymen. It seemed very straightforward at Nuremberg, but it all got very hazy once the U.S. became a Super Power. I guess Justice is best left to the Experts.
If these were fair proceedings rather than show trials they would serve no purpose. We have judicial proceedings we use for attempts at fair trials when we have evidence.
Good call Natew Soviet show trials is the first thing to pop into my mind at all. This is trult a dark episode in American history.
Vaudree: Dallairre's statment has one error: Khadr was shot in the back. From the CP article linked above:
U.S. officer says he nearly ordered execution of Khadr in Afghanistan
Mar 19, 2008
WASHINGTON — A U.S. Army officer was going to have Canadian Omar Khadr executed after a July 2002 firefight in Afghanistan but was stopped at the last moment by Special Forces troops, according to a diary account.
The witness excerpt, contained in legal briefs released Wednesday by the U.S. Defence Department, confirmed that a second terror suspect was alive when the grenade that killed Sgt. Christopher Speer was thrown.
Khadr, 21, is being held in Guantanamo Bay, charged with murdering Speer. The U.S. government has maintained he was the only one who could have done it because all the other combatants were dead.
Not so, said the officer, who described an American soldier having Khadr in his sights "point blank."
"I was about to tap (identity blacked out) on his back to tell him to kill him but the SF guys stopped us and told us not to."
The officer also described the death of the other al-Qaida fighter.
"I remember looking over my right shoulder and seeing (redacted) just waste the guy who was still alive. He was shooting him with controlled pairs," or rapid execution-style firing.
Last month, another witness identified only as OC-1 provided the first testimony in a mistakenly released document that there was a second fighter alive.
The soldier said he killed the fighter before spotting Khadr, who was slumped against a wall facing away from him. He said he shot Khadr twice in the back.
The Pentagon has said American soldiers fired on Khadr in self-defence.
Khadr, who was 15 years old at the time, had two huge exit wounds in his upper left chest.
"(He's) missing a piece of his chest and I can see his heart beating," wrote one officer included in a legal motion.
Defence lawyer Lt.-Cmdr. William Kuebler related that Khadr's wounds "were infected, swollen and still seeping blood nearly seven months after the firefight."
He was still being treated in hospital 10 months later, said Kuebler, adding the circumstances of Khadr's capture and the death of the other fighter may constitute war crimes
There is something terribly wrong in a government that censures like the Bush Administration does! They will no doubt bring these poor devils to trial, convict and execute them. But, whether or not they are guilty is another completely different story. The big loser in the story is going to be the US government. No one but the right wing lunatics believe they are justified in being so secretative! This whole exercise reminds me of the old Soviet Union days! I am ashamed to call myself an American! What has happened to us as a nation?????????
RE: - Vaudree: Dallairre's statment has one error: Khadr was shot in the back.
True enough. I think that the point that Dallaire was trying to make was that, even if the worst of what the Americans say was true, it doesn't change anything in his opinion - Omar Khadr was a child soldier.
Omar Khadr being shot in the back, rather than the front, does make a difference in public opinion, though, which is why the US Military lied about it. Though, even though the bullets entered through the back, they did pass through the chest area - so it could be a differences in opinion on what constitutes a chest wound. The bullets did not hit the spinal cord.
The one thing that strikes me as odd is that we only found out that there was another person who could have thrown the grenade because of a memo that was "accidentally" included with the information Khadr's lawyers were given. When do things like this truly happen by accident! Someone had pangs of conscience and decided that such an accident should take place so that the truth will come out.
What do you think about Dallaire's portrayal of Omar's Khadr's father's notority as "political views."
RE: - "(He's) missing a piece of his chest and I can see his heart beating," wrote one officer included in a legal motion.
Now this was worse than what I had heard before. They questioned the kid after this! It is a wonder that the kid is still alive.
the CBC portrayed Omar's dad as having started out working for legitimate charities then morphing into a terrorist supporter. The CBC time line whent like this:
* he started supporting the Afganies oppressed by the Soviets in the early 1980s
* then he started hanging out with the mugahadeen later on in the 80's
* then al Qaida and the taliban in the 90's
etc.
the Senior Khadr was consistent in his support since these were all the same group of folks really. We just changed our official story as they became less useful for our purposes.
I do believe that Omar is being used to punish the Khadr clan by the Canadian govenment and CSIS etc. there is no other valid explanation.
The CBC had school photos of Osama Bin Laden on TV the day of September 11, 2001. Seems that there was a documentary on Bin Laden and they felt that it was time to show it.
The CBC shows Peter MacKay and Condi Rice taking questions while CNN talks about the death of Anna Nicole Smith. Then Air Farce does their own thing with the interview. 22 Minutes was almost canceled a few years ago and we will be facing the New Year without Air Farce. I get a queasy feeling that the world is turning into one giant Cougar's Corner.
Omar Khadr's father isn't being punished by the state of his son - he is dead. The living cannot punish the dead. And I think that the clan has more than made up for their misdeeds when the American government used Khadr's older brother as a spy. If the Americans are going to blame Omar Khadr for his father's sins, then they should give him brownie points for his brother's spying activities.