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Oh, What a Lovely War! So?
"So?"
Vice President Cheney, March 19, when asked about the American public's disapproval of the Iraq War.
"I must say, I'm a little envious. If I were slightly younger and not employed here, I think it would be a fantastic experience to be on the front lines of helping this young democracy succeed. It must be exciting for you...in some ways romantic, in some ways, you know, confronting danger. You're really making history, and thanks."
President Bush, March 13, speaking by videoconference to American military and civilian personnel in Afghanistan.
These are not adolescents talking. This is the Leader of the Free World and his Number-Two (you figure out which is which) demonstrating their unfitness for office. Their words encapsulate all we know about the selling and conduct of the Iraq War: Cheney's, the contempt for the decent opinion of mankind that led us to charge into war over the objection of virtually every world leader not known as Bush's Poodle; Bush's, the delusional thinking that led us into the Middle East, expecting a baseball-and-apple-pie democracy to pop up in response.
The two statements also make clear how deeply grounded in one another are the arrogance and the ignorance that have given us this long, awful war. Cheney, in his scorn for public opinion, matches Bush in his detachment from the realities of war. Bush, in his Alfred E. Neuman view of armed conflict, matches Cheney in his contempt for the experience of the people he's charged with leading.
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I suppose we shouldn't be shocked to hear Dick Cheney, who has devoted the last thirty years to rendering unto the presidency the things which are Caesar's, dismiss the small matter of the wishes of the citizenry that employs him. From his energy-policy pow-wows with oil magnates at the beginning of the Bush Administration to his shotgun discharge in the direction of a fellow rich guy to the actual nature of his role in the Administration and its war-making, he's never felt the need to explain anything to anyone.
Indeed, it seems he's gotten better at this posture as the years have gone by: He told the American public in one word what it took two words to tell Pat Leahy on the floor of the Senate. (Now, that's GOP efficiency!)
But is it too much to expect Dick Cheney--who did, after all, spend a year at Yale before flunking out--to know a lick of history? Anyone who knows the first thing about our last quagmire understands that an American war fought without the support of the American populace cannot be sustained. The antiwar movement notwithstanding, public support for the war in Vietnam remained strong until February 1968, after the Tet Offensive gave the lie to promises of light at the end of the tunnel.
Of course, Dick Cheney may not have been paying much attention to the war as it was happening, busy as he was bedazzling Lynne to sire the offspring that would keep him safely out of harm's way. But in the years since, he surely has had time to crack a book or talk to someone who fought in Vietnam. Wherever historians or veterans fall along the Vietnam divide--we should never have fought; we should never have fought with one hand tied behind our backs--they all accept Vietnam's lesson that in our democracy, a war must have the backing of the people. And lies--as abundant today as forty years ago--offer the surest way to squander that support.
"So?"
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Of all the dim-witted statements uttered about this war by the small, inept man occupying the Oval Office, none is more obscenely clueless than the insulting pep talk he offered to our people in Afghanistan. "Bring 'em on," his barroom double-dare-ya to Iraqi insurgents, inviting them to do their best to kill servicemen and -women under his command, was a taunt no decent commanding officer would ever issue.
But to consider "confronting danger"--in other words, trying to kill people before they kill you, which is, after all, what men at war do--"romantic;" to envy brave young people the chance to fight, die, lose limbs, lose comrades; to see as "fantastic" the searing experience of armed conflict that burdens its participants with a lifetime of nightmares, disgraces the office he holds and every one of us he purports to represent. Can anyone imagine Dwight Eisenhower suggesting on June 6, 1944 that he envied the young soldiers he was sending into harm's way?
Bush says he's too old now and has another job. (Come January, your calendar's clear, Mr. President. Shall we shave your head and start rifle training this afternoon?) He was exactly the right age forty years ago, and seemed to harbor little competing career ambition, when his country called him to seek romance in Southeast Asia. Somehow the potential experience didn't seem fantastic enough for him to cast his lot with the young Texans too poor in money or connections to land a spot in the Champagne Unit. How he must have envied those grunts in Vietnam as he bore the burdens of the Top Gun life, scouring the skies over Lubbock for stray MiGs. His stint encompassed all the elements of the service of fighter pilots ten thousand miles away--except one: No one was trying to kill him.
The juvenile young man played at war and had a grand time. No wonder the juvenile older man thinks it a lark. This is the boy's game Bush reenacted when he landed on the deck of the Abraham Lincoln to declare "Mission accomplished" five years ago this May. (And while we're on the subject, why has it never been deemed proper for reporters to ask if the President has encouraged his two military-aged daughters to trade their Manolo Blahniks for combat boots? FDR's four sons fought in World War II. LBJ's two sons-in-law went to Vietnam. Prince Harry begged to be sent to Afghanistan. What more than the media's refusal to demand an answer to this question is needed to prove that war is not the business of the privileged in today's America?)
But as plainly idiotic as Bush's words to Afghanistan were, they also betray an ignorance so gratuitious it can only be traced to the man's unbounded arrogance. Here's how a Vietnam Marine, present when a small firebase near the DMZ was overrun, described combat to me: "You're just crawling through guts and brains and smoke. People talk about the smell of combat. When you know what somebody's insides smell like and feel like, it does something to you. When you watch war on TV, you're only hit by a couple of senses; if you read about it, you're only hit by a couple of senses. Man, when you're in it, you find senses you never knew you had."
We who have only read about war or watched it on TV can never truly understand what it is like to endure it. But we can listen to those who have been there--indeed, we must, if we are to be informed citizens of a democracy. George Bush may have long ago missed his chance to know war firsthand, but in the here and now, his comments make shockingly clear his continued dereliction of duty.
Has he ever brought veterans in to speak candidly of their time in combat and of their time afterward living with the memories? Has he ever read a single page of a single war memoir or oral history? Has he ever asked for a briefing from psychologists who treat the lifelong torment of PTSD?
Surely, he's never read Wilfred Owen, else he would not still believe "The old lie: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori."
Bush's contempt for the life of the mind is well-known and appalling. But it's more than appalling--it's criminal--that he has not set aside this disdain for even a moment so that he might inform himself as to what his orders mean to the lives of the servicemembers executing them.
Make no mistake, Bush's cheery exhortation to the troops in Afghanistan is just as much of a "fuck you" to the members of our armed forces as Cheney's "So?" is to the American public. Cheney's dismissal of the people's intent is as willfully oblivious to the facts of war as is Bush's believing armed conflict to be in any way "romantic."
These two men have no business ordering brave men and women into battle.
Michael Takiff is the author of Brave Men, Gentle Heroes: American Fathers and Sons in World War II and Vietnam (Wm. Morrow, 2003). His writing has appeared on the op-ed pages of the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Los Angeles Times.
Copyright © 2008 The Nation
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Show All"These two men have no business ordering brave men and women into battle."
Heck, these two men have no business walking around free outside of a prison.
Not since WW2 have American troops actually been needed for winning a war. Today our soldiers can't actually win wars anymore, because they are all political. Nowadays they just fight in them and the winning goes to the politicians in the form of political capital. Pretty sick society that would allow this to happen, but in a declining empire you can't avoid it. We are all potential collateral damage.
Hoa binh
Since cheney seems to be blackmailing every member of Congress with something, can't someone place a big manilla envelope on his desk that shows him with his girlfriend
Pamela Pitzer Willeford, the U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein? She seems to show up with him at many events including the "shooting Harry" event in Texas. Would he still say "So?" Probably.
kivals April 3rd, 2008 11:33 am
"These two men have no business ordering brave men and women into battle."
Heck, these two men have no business walking around free outside of a prison.
Thanx kivals for stating it like it is. My youngest son is in or soon will be in Iraq. Cheney & Bush should be treated like the liars that they are.
Ray O. Driskill
Watch out truthmonger: I see a bright future for you in an orange jumpsuit!
What an article, nice! This piece could be extended in directions I have not seen done, either in newspapers, books or by y'all of CommonDreams.
It drives directly to the point that Soros makes in " What Orwell didn't know" about taking on the right wing spinmeisters and re-anchoring the political discourse in some form of reality, before reality bites back.
"I must say, I'm a little envious. If I were slightly younger and not employed here, I think it would be a fantastic experience to be on the front lines of helping this young democracy succeed. It must be exciting for you…in some ways romantic, in some ways, you know, confronting danger. You're really making history, and thanks."
I'm sure our "Commander and Coward" doesn't mean "slightly younger" mentally. If this were so, he would be this country's first pre-natal president. The hypocricy of the above statement is beyond words.
They (bush and dick) are not "men".
What this? Bush wants to go Afghanistan and face death fighting for freedom and democracy in the streets against armed insurgents and the Taliban?
Sounds like a good idea to me.
There are plenty of people out there who think Bush and Cheney are "strong" and "right" for bowling over people and public opinion. The object is to defeat such voters at the polling places and replace their puppets in government. The Obama movement that just flew in out of political "nowhere" has a real shot this year to do just that.
Tsk, tsking about Cheney and his "So?" comment has no meaning. Electoral defeat of the entire Republican party is what has meaning. As Larry, The Cable Guy, says, we need to stop griping and "git 'er done".
Back in the old days kings had to lead their troops into battle. If a king was a poor general, or the war a strategic blunder, he was usually the first to die or be captured, thereby bringing the conflict to a quick end. Seems like a tradition that needs to be revived. I wonder if it could be codified in an updated Geneva Convention?
Which brings us back to the fact that super rich cohorts in power who belong to the republican party will again do just enough steal an election for McCain, who will be another Chenney puppet
This is a great article. Why? The author goes into such detail as to why GW Bush and Dick Cheney are so astonishingly, completely, and utterly REVOLTING: hate-filled, phenomenal arrogance only rivaled by their stupidity, not to mention a total inability to even once admit they made huge mistakes during the last 8 long, painful years spent watching America decline as never before. What is so additionally sickening is our having to endure the media's ongoing endless enabling and brown-nosing of these total f*cking assholes bush-cheney. Even the Guardian website is becoming more corporate right wing! Jesus christ what has the world come to. Just today Timothy Garton Ash, a journalist at the Guardian re-writes history with a jaw droppingly propagandistic article literally worshipping George Bush, and saying how Europe is greatly indebted to Bush the great global statesman for all the good he as done us! Holy shit. Today, the media everywhere is pure shit--case in point the Guardian. Not to be trusted one iota. Even the so-called liberal media is questionable now. Timothy Garton Ash? More like "Timothy Garton Ass". Just what we need: another self-interested sycophant "journalist" with his shnoz wedged deeply up Bush's anus (NOT!!!). Little wonder the people hate and mistrust the media nowadays, let alone twin assholes bush-cheney.
Let's not kid anyone. The infamous "public" voted for these leaders (not once but twice!) and now they get the consequences. Tough lessons they will still not learn -- it's the American way -- got to raise our trucks up another foot and get a sixer of Coors dude.
Some one said of the MSM "news" that they;
"HAVE BECOME STENOGRAPHERS, NO LONGER JOURNALISTS"
Just watch / listen to any news on TV or radio..they spew the ''news'' as it is told to them by their corporate masters.
we must flood them with Phone calls and emails, when their switchboards and email servers overload with all the traffic , maybe they will listen... but then again it just may give them ammunition to use in the battle over "net neutrality"...
dam.. we are done for i am afraid
Daniel David April 3rd, 2008 1:03 pm
"Tsk, tsking about Cheney and his "So?" comment has no meaning. Electoral defeat of the entire Republican party is what has meaning. As Larry, The Cable Guy, says, we need to stop griping and "git 'er done"."
The Democrats have been just as responsible for the start of this war and the conduct of it as the Republicans have. Let's not forget that it is they as well as the Republicans that have continued to vote the funds to continue the war, even after being voted into the majority in 2006 on the promise of ending it. Including DD's new hero Barack Obama
Lobo Gris
Addendum because the edit function appears to not work for me either.
Including DD's new hero Barack Obama
Lobo Gris
"...an American war fought without the support of the American populace cannot be sustained."
That may be true, except that THERE IS NO WAR, nor has a WAR ever been declared.
Now, if MT were to write the truth, as in, "...an American ILLEGAL INVASION and ILLEGAL OCCUPATION cannot be sustained without the support of the American populace" then he might be onto something... except that 62 million Americans voted for the Loonitary Decider in '04, ("I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it")and a recent USA/Gallop poll showed that at least 41 million Americans still support said Loonitary Decider... and illegal invasions and occupations, and illegal spying, and torture, etc.
Hence, a "populace" in fact DOES support "our" current efforts to bomb the world into submission.
Yes to all of this. But, since we are also saddled with a Congress which has repeatedly shown its contempt for us and our soldiers by refunding the Bush/Cheney wars, I must echo Cheney: "So?" What can we do, since our corrupted political system keeps mostly recycling these corporate war-profiteer/fossil fuel-supporting whores through Congress?
The Fossil Fools have their fantasies to keep up. Appearances do matter. So long as they behave as if their fantasies are consistent, as leaders of men they can order the villages to be bombed, and the captives to be tortured and the booty of oil concessions and pipelines to be taken. Little Kevin Rudd has been proving his worth as the Antipodean Satrap of the US. He is now Calling for the NATO troops to be increased in the more dangerous parts of Afghanistan, where Australian troops has been waving the US flag, a clearly provocative and dangerous activity in those parts. Perhaps NATO knows something that Kevin doesn't want to know. That Australian leaders go pompously around the world stage, yet still end up promoting the vampirial wars, must be due to whatever bribes, threats and inducements, and fantasies they get after visiting the US. Australian is still also paying its military dues by buying billions of dollars of dubious hardware from the US war sellers, to better equip it in the role playing imperial fantasy games. The fossil fool exploitation industries have most of the Australian state and federal governments wrapped up in the present time fantasy. The fantasy game is to own and profit by any means possible, from all the fossil fuels. The rationale is because society runs on the energy of these things, society must continue to run like it is now. The players then seek to burn those fuels as quickly as possible now, as that increases the profit and current fantasy enjoyment, and fan the flames of hell for the rest of us, for tomorrow we will all die anyway.
Cheney and Bush are perfectly insulated from every action they have taken in any office they have ever held. The insulation is in the form of We the People who put them in office, pay the taxes to fund their follies, and fail to hold them responsible, as well as a compliant Congress.
Fear and money rule the US in all kinds of permutations.
A majority of people did not vote for these fools, once or twice! The last two elections were won by fraud.
IMPEACH both BUSH and CHENEY..........TODAY
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME...>>>>>>>>>>>>>...NOW
Well folks, how to we get the sheep to stop voting for the same do nothing ass-wipes year after year? Start with the first change in Congress, Cindy Sheehan.
cindyforcongress.org
johnycanuck, That is a good idea to write to all the MSM companies and complain so they start doing their job as they are supposed to. I just did that actually.
But, like writing to the government, they probably will just ignore us. I think we're working with people who are collectively and pathetically delusional. Either they know they are actively deceiving everyone, or they are so un-intelligent/brainwashed that they actually believe all the propaganda they spew. I don't know which is scarier.
In either case, what can be done to reason with people like that? It's like having a debate with a gorilla. No matter how right we are (in fact, the MORE right we are), they will just respond with: "Does not compute."
These people think information and words exist PRIMARILY to obscure the truth, not to unpack it. They are practically double-thinking here like in Orwell's 1984. How can they live such a schism? I have to believe they all must be suffering psychologically, and I feel bad for them, because they can't even be honest with themselves it seems. They think it is NORMAL to say one thing and then do the complete opposite! Isn't that sociopathic? OR at least some deep dysfunction of language? (I guess I'm going beyond a comment on just the media at this point).
If the MSM/Gov't-complex is nothing but a propaganda machine regurgitating and recycling its own lies, how can truth even enter the equation anymore?
Almost as romantic as flying "high" as a National Guard Airman, instead of real fighting in 'nam.
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Some units now on their fifth deployment to Iraq. That's almost as brave as getting five deferments to avoid military service a la Mr. Cheney.
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True warriors those two, "god bless America" to quote our glorious leader.
Hewoah, progressives imagine a utopia founded on truth and the elites simply fail to imagine the same utopia. The truth-based utopia is spawned by the association of truth and food (well-being). Elites have made the wrong associations in their brains. So when Pavlov rings the truth bell, the elites do not salivate. They only salivate at the rings of the lie, steal, and murder bells.
Awaken April 3rd, 2008 2:37 pm
Let's not kid anyone. The infamous "public" voted for these leaders (not once but twice!) and now they get the consequences.
Are you insane or just terminally stupid? George W. Bush has never been the elected President of the United States. Both elections were completely predetermined and everyone, with the apparent exception of you, knows it. I suggest you take a look at your screen name and give it serous consideration.
I keep finding myself singing some lyrics from old Supertramp tune: "Now they're planning the Crime of the Century....."
Well, it's right here now. Ripping all of us off for trillions and murdering, torturing, impoverishing and sending into exile millions - would, I think, constitute "The Crime of the Century".
Here's the link for a video with Supertramp in the background: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDWtcwkjrsw
"The War is not meant to be won, The War is meant to be continuous." 1984, George Orwell. This is the perfect explanation of The Endless Globalization War On 'Terror'('terror' meaning whatever the hell the NeoCons want it to mean, and definiton subject to change day by day).
The War is the depraved murderous Corporate/Fascist version of a planet in chains to the will of the trans-national hierarchy. The military is now an extension of the corporatized (fascist) state, the military-industrial complex in Eisenhower's parlance, serving the trans-national stateless elite and their designs on power, but paid for with the treasury and blood of Americans. What a magnificent Neo-Con-Job these bastards have pulled.
The will of the globalized transnational corporate uber-state or hyper-state is imposed by the American military, which is why it 'needs' to be everywhere in the world - to enforce the 'contracts' of the powerful godfathers of the Order, the flat-world of the stateless NeoCons and 'free'-traders/traitors of the New World Order of the Ubermensch.
So with the money-power taken away from citizens, and in the hands of the most corrupt (witness the ongoing Federal Reserve bail-out, not of citizens but of banks, from the results of prior corruptions of NeoCon Republican Alan Greenspan, or the corruption of the Republican Party in laying a debt of 12 Trillion dollars on the American People in order to give their rich friends more money-power to buy stocks and houses (and politicians) with, thus artificially pumping up the price), what can we do?
That is the burning question, as all the advantages of citizenship and rights of life are being systematically taken away from every person on the planet, in the name of the GWOT and 'state' security, and remorselessly usurped by the cadres of the ubiquitous corporatocracy. The corruption has completely tainted even the law, and its minions; 'lawyers' like Woo and Gonzales, 'politicians' like Bush and Cheney, and 'judges' like Scalia and Thomas. What are we to do now.
The plebes in the Neo-Roman Empire get their bread and circuses. The masters get their slaves. Americans are led to believe the nation and its Constitution are respected and cared for, while in reality, they have been treated as fools and suckers for the hidden agendas of the corporate Neo-Fascists.
And as far as Iraq, a new documentary on a US Army unit in-country showed the soldiers saying clearly that they don't know why they are there, and that they want to 'blow away' the Iraqui police and army because the American soldiers truly believe that these among others are the real so-called insurgents. That is, they believe that all Iraquis are the enemy and no Iraqui really wants them there. Mission Accomplished!
The NeoCon Occupation of the Iraq oil fields, the corporate-fascist do-over of a whole nation, and oh by the way the destruction of a threat to the zionists of Israel, are the real missions. The Black Real Missions Accomplished! Freedom? The freedom to loot, just like Rumsfeld said way back at the beginning. For the Iraquis, it's just another word for nuthin' left to lose.
And for America, its Constitution torn into tatters by the Bush Crime Family and the Republican Crime Wave, it means the desolation of the dream of its founders, the dream of a nation of equal citizens under law and united for the common good, a nation that respects the good opinions of the world and is respected by the world. Not the dog-eat-dog winner-take-all vision of global hell of the fascist NeoCons. So what do we do now?
truthmonger April 3rd, 2008 11:45 am
"Since cheney seems to be blackmailing every member of Congress with something, can't someone place a big manilla envelope on his desk that shows him with his girlfriend Pamela Pitzer Willeford, the U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein?"
Interesting! Switzerland and Liechtenstein are also well known for being "safe money havens".
Its all good. If the polls can be twisted into support quote them, if not say that polls are inaccurate, blow with the wind, or that the justification and proof of infallibility is based on super secret intelligence locked in the man sized safe (next to those sexy pictures of Hitler).
When all that is wrong and no one buys your bullshit, if your time left in office is short, you just say "SO" and bluff it out.
What is so wrong with this country that we ended up with these two fuckups as our leaders? Nearly half the voting public supported these clowns TWICE. They should both be in prison, but instead they will collect fat pensions for the rest of their lives and somehow "redeem" themselves in the eyes of the same pathetic public that elected them and kept them out of jail. Is there is really any reason at all to vote in November? Seriously, what's the point?
Lets see. It seems that this administration is responsible for:
1. Destruction of Iraq
2. Destruction of the rule of law
3. Destruction of the surplus
4. Destruction of the Geneva Conventions
5. Destruction of assistance to rebuild after Katrina
6. Destruction of the treasury with deficits
7. Destruction of relations with our allies
8. Destruction of fiscal discipline
9. Destruction of international treaties
10. Destruction CIA torture tapes
11. Destruction of white house emails
12. Destruction of the career of a CIA agent for political reasons
13. Destruction of military brass careers who disagreed with Iraq invasion policy
14. Destruction of food inspections
15. Destruction of illegal immigration enforcement
16. Destruction of regulations governing mortgage companies
17. Destruction of balanced budget initiatives
18. Destruction of border and port security
19. Destruction of open bidding versus single source contracts
20. Destruction of the Republican Party
21. Destruction of Americas reputation world wide
22. Destruction of 3 million manufacturing jobs
23. Destruction of accountability to congress
24. Destruction of the worth of the dollar
25. Destruction of real estate values
26. Destruction of reasonable gas prices
27. Destruction of pay as you go policies
28. Destruction of consumer confidence
29. Destruction of a reasonable trade deficit
What a tremendous record of achievement!!
Thanks, broskie! That's a good list.
DEVIL 1, You"re joking aren't you?
Or are you really the devil?
The thing about the corporate media is that they are still cheer leading and doing everything they can to cover for this criminal Bush Administration. Ted Rall's recent article recommending the wholesale repeal of this administrations laws and regulations is on point, however fantastical it may appear to many people. We're dealing with an unprecedented assault on our Constitution and freedoms as Americans as well as threats to people across the World. Hyperbolic? Consider the increased threat of nuclear war and global warming inaction.
FVHorn,
Well written.
You are essentially correct with some overly graphic phrasing.
What to do? If the American public can't regain its apex in American politics - all men are created equal, etc. - the current conservative led assault on the U.S. constitution will lead to economic and political failure of the American ideal (it will perish from the earth).
The implications: there are alphas, betas, gammas, and deltas. Each to their place. Each to serve those above. Conservatives' nirvana.
It's time to change our mindset and recognize the real enemy to peace and prosperity for all.
And the right-wing nazis probably thought this thug was right in showing no respect for the American public. Who voted for these dumb wits but an ever populous right-wing nutball class and they just keep growing in number waving their flag along with a cross. Our country has grown ignorant, mad, and corrupt and the radio waves are filled with their hypocritical gossip singers, so called religious leaders and neo-con think tanks. And the propaganda mills have ground on while education of the masses has deteriorated and money has been the god. And free college education has forced more into low paying jobs while truth and education take a back seat. What will these criminals like Cheney do when homelessness and starvation become the rule. They will live abroad to avoid the anger that will swell up once even the ignorant will see that they too have been duped.
FV HORN & BROSKIE: Good posts!
Just a small note: these are our leaders. The more I see of my fellow Americans the more I realize that they are precisely the leaders we deserve. Of course it's far easier, and much more convenient, to watch these events, wailing and moaning, than to admit that the way we think and act created this mess.
The majority you speak of supported the invasion(s) of the past years. The casus belli in each case was easy to see through, but they didn't. Now we want out of the mess we created. To this I can only say:
"So?"