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USA 2008: The Great Depression
Food stamps are the symbol of poverty in the US. In the era of the credit crunch, a record 28 million Americans are now relying on them to survive a sure sign the world's richest country faces economic crisis
We knew things were bad on Wall Street, but on Main Street it may be worse. Startling official statistics show that as a new economic recession stalks the United States, a record number of Americans will shortly be depending on food stamps just to feed themselves and their families.
Dismal projections by the Congressional Budget Office in Washington suggest that in the fiscal year starting in October, 28 million people in the US will be using government food stamps to buy essential groceries, the highest level since the food assistance programme was introduced in the 1960s.
The increase - from 26.5 million in 2007 - is due partly to recent efforts to increase public awareness of the programme and also a switch from paper coupons to electronic debit cards. But above all it is the pressures being exerted on ordinary Americans by an economy that is suddenly beset by troubles. Housing foreclosures, accelerating jobs losses and fast-rising prices all add to the squeeze.
Emblematic of the downturn until now has been the parades of houses seized in foreclosure all across the country, and myriad families separated from their homes. But now the crisis is starting to hit the country in its gut. Getting food on the table is a challenge many Americans are finding harder to meet. As a barometer of the country's economic health, food stamp usage may not be perfect, but can certainly tell a story.
Michigan has been in its own mini-recession for years as its collapsing industrial base, particularly in the car industry, has cast more and more out of work. Now, one in eight residents of the state is on food stamps, double the level in 2000. "We have seen a dramatic increase in recent years, but we have also seen it climbing more in recent months," Maureen Sorbet, a spokeswoman for Michigan's programme, said. "It's been increasing steadily. Without the programme, some families and kids would be going without."
But the trend is not restricted to the rust-belt regions. Forty states are reporting increases in applications for the stamps, actually electronic cards that are filled automatically once a month by the government and are swiped by shoppers at the till, in the 12 months from December 2006. At least six states, including Florida, Arizona and Maryland, have had a 10 per cent increase in the past year.
In Rhode Island, the segment of the population on food stamps has risen by 18 per cent in two years. The food programme started 40 years ago when hunger was still a daily fact of life for many Americans. The recent switch from paper coupons to the plastic card system has helped remove some of the stigma associated with the food stamp programme. The card can be swiped as easily as a bank debit card. To qualify for the cards, Americans do not have to be exactly on the breadline. The programme is available to people whose earnings are just above the official poverty line. For Hubert Liepnieks, the card is a lifeline he could never afford to lose. Just out of prison, he sleeps in overnight shelters in Manhattan and uses the card at a Morgan Williams supermarket on East 23rd Street. Yesterday, he and his fiancée, Christine Schultz, who is in a wheelchair, shared one banana and a cup of coffee bought with the 82 cents left on it.
"They should be refilling it in the next three or four days," Liepnieks says. At times, he admits, he and friends bargain with owners of the smaller grocery shops to trade the value of their cards for cash, although it is illegal. "It can be done. I get $7 back on $10."
Richard Enright, the manager at this Morgan Williams, says the numbers of customers on food stamps has been steady but he expects that to rise soon. "In this location, it's still mostly old people and people who have retired from city jobs on stamps," he says. Food stamp money was designed to supplement what people could buy rather than covering all the costs of a family's groceries. But the problem now, Mr Enright says, is that soaring prices are squeezing the value of the benefits.
"Last St Patrick's Day, we were selling Irish soda bread for $1.99. This year it was $2.99. Prices are just spiralling up, because of the cost of gas trucking the food into the city and because of commodity prices. People complain, but I tell them it's not my fault everything is more expensive."
The US Department of Agriculture says the cost of feeding a low-income family of four has risen 6 per cent in 12 months. "The amount of food stamps per household hasn't gone up with the food costs," says Dayna Ballantyne, who runs a food bank in Des Moines, Iowa. "Our clients are finding they aren't able to purchase food like they used to."
And the next monthly job numbers, to be released this Friday, are likely to show 50,000 more jobs were lost nationwide in March, and the unemployment rate is up to perhaps 5 per cent.
© 2008 The Independent



91 Comments so far
Show AllWell, call me a radical if you want, but I think that the only solution to this economic crisis (and a preventative against future economic crises) is to adopt a socialist system. The usual counterargument is that socialism will result in massive inflation. That's true only if we keep allotting over half of our money to military spending. Right now, we spend $1,449 billion out of $2,650 (54%) on the military! When you put that in the global context, it means that we spend more on our military than the next 16 nations COMBINED! (Check out this link: http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm. Of course, some people will object that we're in a time of national emergency and we need to devote that much to military spending. First of all, our "national emergency" was brought on by our own government. If you don't believe me, do some research on US foreign policy, specifically our Mideast policies, prior to 911. Quite frankly, they're imperialistic. Secondly, even if we cut our military spending by half, we'd still be very well-equipped to deal with "national emergencies." We could then use the money we once devoted to the military on domestic programs (i.e., free national health care, etc.) without having to raise taxes significantly, if at all, and thus avoid inflation.
And I totally agree with those of you who've been encouraging people not to vote Democrat or Republican. Both are funded by the corporations, and will continue to do the bidding of said corporations. My suggestion is to vote Socialist.
http://www.socialistparty-usa.org
http://www.votebrianmoore.com
Cheers!
And a lot of progressive type independents and demos vote for third party candidates and the Republicans often win.
Yeah it's true, ~ENN~, but I'm not at the level of Thomas Payne or R W Emerson. May have a few of their genes. My Great grandmother on my mothers side was a first cousin of Emerson and that was her middle name. She lived at Waldon Pond for awhile and I have several of her paintings.
Hey this is a fun thread, but afraid I got us off topic, THE COMING DEPRESSION.
It is happening and it will not be pretty, fun, or any other good words. Prepare for nation-wide anarchy, rioting and people fighting for food and fuel. It will be similar to the fictional Mad Max story, and the eventual fall of a once great nation is how I see it working out. Hope I'm wrong though.
I CAN'T WAIT until there are some white collars in this line!
Let the fucking millionaires start jumping out of their windows! Hell, I'll even volunteer to open a few!
Maybe US officials should consult with Hugo Chavez, who has cut poverty in Venezuela in half. (O, sorry, I forgot: the US is the greatest, best, most intelligent country on earth and has nothing to learn from anybody.)
Where do I sign up for the revolution?
c'est l'heure de la madame guillotine
There is an election coming up. Are you going to do the same thing again---vote for the lesser of two evils -- or not vote at all? Get a clue. Things are going downhill very fast. Don't vote for any member of either of the corporate parties. They are on the payroll of the corporations who are doing very well. Good enough to buy your 'leaders'. Get smart and vote independent.
Hey, I'd like to coin this age in our history as "The Dumb Deal" years. Unlike the "New Deal" years, we are governed by a black-hearted King of Fools, a congress that is indifferent about the raw deal dealt to people, communities, children and our world -- and a Supreme Court that thinks "due process" is a term for how you extract money and rights from everyday people.
And Barbara Bush said, "let them eat cake"...
I am not old enough to remember the depression of the thirties, but my understanding is that we borrowed our way out of that one. Bet that won't work a second time!
Last time FDR took from the super rich the money they had stolen, and they are still whining about how unfair it was. Who's going to be our messiah this time? See any likely candidates?
Our government is for the most part, nothing but enlisted, corporate soldiers.They represent the multi nationals and not the American people.They have crucified our Constitution and sold out the American people. McCain,Clinton and Obama enlisted as corporate soldiers a long time ago.Good advise from Green Pat.
500 billion on the iraq war alone. And theyre gonna show the rest of the world how to run their countries.
The government will continue to understate the rate of inflation thereby assuring that wage earners, retirees and food stamp recipients continue to fall behind as they have since the Nixon Administration.
The neocon dream of turning the US into a third world nation is nearly complete.
Foodstamp use on the rise.
Heh.
Just wait.
If the truckers strike goes down, as it may, protesting the $1000 cost to fuel those diesel behemoths, then the store shelves will be barren within three days.
Three days.
Then EVERYONE will be scrambling for food. Not just the poor. And all that lovely Chilean produce, and New Zealand lamb, and Mexican broccoli will just... rot on the docks.
Hmmm.
Part of a plan? Will the Halliburton built camps be filled sooner than we expect? Or will we be so distracted by the food riots that the nuking of Iran will go unchallenged?
We need to start organizing and working in community gardens ASAP
Hey Surrender, the millionaires won't be jumping out the window any time soon. They will be bailed out by the Fed with your tax Dollars, remember Bear Stearns? Bush treats these millionaires like Tsunami victims while at the same time he tells defrauded homeowners to go to hell.
Forextrader- ... and the Katrina victims to give back their money.
I was born in the Great Depression and have predicted this to happen again soon. It is now upon us. Everybody better make sure you plant a garden. If you live in an apartment, plant your veggies in pots. It may be the only fresh produce you will be able to get.
The disaster and collapse of our system is just beginning. A friend who works as a manager of a large grocery store told me that food prices are expected to increase 23% this summer. Stock up your pantry and freezer with food and do start a garden but be wary of theft by two-legged deer looking for a free meal. Good luck.
The good news is:
"...James E. Cayne, (former CEO of Bear Sterns and STILL THE CHAIRMAN,) and taxpayers just handed him almost $50 million. Mr. Cayne got this gift when J.P. Morgan renegotiated the terms of its takeover of Bear Stearns..."
Cause, you know, if We The People don't keep America's most notorious thieves in, er, business, then by golly the whole economy will collapse.
That'll oughta keep them lazy freeloading food-stamp terrorists at bay!
Hi Galen: as a Katrina victim myself, that's why I used the word "Tsunami Victim" instead of Katrina victim. Bush was more than compassionate to the Tsunami victims but he let New Orleans drown and as you correctly stated, he wants the victims to pay, the bastard.
This truckers' strike is going to be interesting and probably not a calm event. I remember a trucking strike in the 70's where semi trailer trucks drove side by side down interstates at 30 mph to get their point across. This would bring America quickly to its knees if this happens again.
I was just going to point out that Diesel is $4/gallion!
As lwhunt pointed out, I've heard the trucking industry is the canary in the coal mine.
Another unfortunate side-effect of the success of the surge.
lwhunt wrote: This truckers' strike is going to be interesting
I've been calling for a national strike for years as being the best way of getting attention. Not Saturday marches. Not writing to your Congressman. We need a Genral Stryke (deliberately mis-spelled to avoid the CD robot censor - try it!). Thank goodness for the Unions (what is left of them), as they are the only folk with much backbone.
as a non-american, can someone explain the criteria for obtaining these stamps. and where do people get them from. thank you.
coco
Oh, now I've got it.
If the investment bank next to my investment bank defaults on its debts and has to sell its somewhat illiquid assets, which might bring down the value of my investment bank's similar illiquid assets, then the government will jump-in so that the value of my investment bank's assets don't collapse -- 'the system'.
But if the home owners next to my house default on their mortgage debts and have to sell their somewhat illiquid house, which might bring down the value of my similar illiquid house, then the government will NOT jump-in so that the value of my house doesn't collapse --- because I'm not part of 'their system'.
Unfortunately, for me, and probably you, we only own a portion of our homes --- and not big portions of our very own investment bank, like Paulson.
Told that tens of millions of American homeowners don't think that this system is fair, the Bush administration might well respond with the same compassionate answer that Cheney recently gave about most Americans not supporting his oil-war in Iraq ----
"So?"
And perhaps adding, in the domestic case --
"Let them eat mortgages."
Empire is as Empire does.
Perhaps we need to plan for some "Radical Action" against Empire.
If Paulson, Bush and the like are fondly envisioning acquiescent, patient, and 'well-behaved' soup-lines queuing up for GD II as they did in Great Depression I they are due for a rude awakening.
Paraguay is not far enough away, George.
Think more in terms of 'thumbs' and 'rope'.
This article originally came from the Independent in the UK.
Nice this shows the rest of the developed world how much of an inequitable corporatist Empire the US really is.
BTW, the GINI coefficient of wealth and income inequality (which is the gold standard of systemic inequality for economists) shows the US 'off the charts' with respect to all other developed countries, and matched only by South American 'banana republics', African dictatorships, and Middle East oil monarchies.
Nice job corporatist Empire.
Nice job also corporatist Empire in hiding behind the facade of this friggin, two-party, 'Vichy' government.
Even Goebbels would turn over in his grave with envy about your propaganda in co-opting the entire political and media system and disguising them as 'Vichy' reality to the rubes.
Do not be conned into not voting. No matter what you think of the Democrats not being perfect, they are far, far better than "Let's continue the war forever" McCain.
Get your head out of the sand. FDR was an establishment Democrat. But he saved this country from sinking. Perhaps neither Hillary or Barack have the guts to do it, but either of them will be a better gamble than McCain who we KNOW is going to be just as bad or worse than Bush.
Right now kids, we have no choice but to vote for the Democrat for President, warts and all. The Republicans will let you eat cake or starve. They truly don't give a damn. If fact, they prefer you starve, it gets you out of the social security system. You get nothing back, they keep your money.
4:32 it says my comment with the phrase of gen str is awaiting moderation never saw that before...can someone explain? And what are the phrases we can and can't use? What does and doesn't scare who? We accept lies from the government but an honest to God GS from the population can't even be spelled out........
let alone contemplated or carried out? Well folks maybe there still is some power in numbers and in the general population wonder if we might figure this out before it is gone, or outlawed?
and I also wonder if I might loose my commenting access?
Every illegal immigrant who enters the USA and has a child becomes eligible for food stamps. Yes, the cost of food is going up, but that's not the reason
more people are getting food stamps. Those who live in a cash economy manipulate the system to get all they can and the poor person working two jobs to survive isn't eligible because he/she makes
$2 bucks over the income limit. This is how it is, has been, and will continue to be.
amacd April 1st, 2008 3:55 pm
"If the investment bank next to my investment bank defaults on its debts ....then the government will jump-in so that the value of my investment bank's assets don't collapse — 'the system'.
But if the home owners next to my house default on their mortgage debts and have to sell their somewhat illiquid house, then the government will NOT jump-in so that the value of my house doesn't collapse — because I'm not part of 'their system'."
Well, amacd, you and the rest of us are a crucial part of their system as "lender of last resort", a/k/a "sucker-slaves" of a politically-rigged system of, by and for the wealthy.
Instead of allowing the alleged "free market" to punish the multi-millionarie and billionaire speculators who created this entire f-king mess to begin with, Paulson is now asking Congress to force American taxpaying citizens to become the lender of last resort for the speculators on Wall Street: monoline (and other) insurance companies, derivatives traders, and of course, the hedge fund group which doesn't pay taxes on the millions of dollars they have earned, thanks to our Republican and Democratic Congress passing legislation which allows these speculator-thieves to claim that money as "UN-EARNED" income. Billions upon billions of dollars have gone into their personal accounts as un-earned income! Can you believe that $hit?
The following website is invaluable. A little research on here will give you a whole lot of insight about both political parties: http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/index.asp
okiegal April 1st, 2008 4:30 pm
REF: Do not be conned into not voting. No matter what you think of the Democrats not being perfect, they are far, far better than "Let's continue the war forever" McCain.
Excellent comment!! I support everything you said 100%. Any Democratic President will be tremendously better than Let Them EAT CAKE AND CONTINUE THE WAR FOR 100 YEARS McCAIN!! We MUST get a Democratic President and Congress to avoid a Bush 3rd term!!! Please read the Tuesday, April 1, 2008 article on Common Dreams and Huffington Post by Wayne Barrett entitled "Could the Republicans Pick the Democratic Nominee? — The Untold Story of How the GOP Rigged Florida and Michigan"
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/01/8025/
The Republicans and the media talking heads at Fox. CNN and others will do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING no matter how illegal and/or immoral to put their Republican nominees in the White House and Congress. We must NOT let anything like that happen.
kittyladyoregon and sung425,
I don't know about a depression, but we are definitely heading into some very rough waters. The Great Depression was an economic collapse (as far as I know), but what we are looking at may have other causes and perhaps, worse effects.
If we look at what's facing us: Huge debt (both in terms of the nation and individuals), a huge trade deficit, global climate changes that will affect crops, water, and migration, peak oil, and other variables. Any one of these situations is serious and could have a huge impact. What we are facing now is a perfect storm of events that will affect the whole world.
So yes, start your own gardens, learn about permaculture, learn to make do or do without. Talk to anyone who lived through the depression or who grew up poor. Ask them what they had to do to survive and start implementing their tactics. We owe it to our children to get off this merry-go-round ASAP - their lives and ours depend on it.
The value of outstanding derivatives reported by banks to the BIS (Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland) as of June 30th, 2007 was $516 Trillion. Go there and read it for yourself, or just google for what people are saying about the number $516 Trillion.
I will spare you my long comments, they are on my countermicc blog.
Fortunately my folks grew up in the dirty 30's
My dear mother (78yrs old) still preserves everything and anything that can be preserved.. i swear i have at least 3 yrs of food in the storage room ( i won't tell where i live because i would be robbed in the near future), but it really is coming folks...
a couple of failed crop years and it's all over but the fighting ..just to eat and drink
okiegal, I agree with you and the earlier comment - any Democrat is better than the Republican candidate. I even think McCain would be better than Bush... he at least seems to be fact based rather than fantasy driven.
No matter who is elected, things can't be 'fixed'. A Democrat would at least try to cushion the effects of a bad economy and the high price of oil on ordinary people.
Keep voting for Republicans; you'll be pencil thin pretty soon from not eating enough food, while the pompous, condescending, arrogant, rich Republicans bray endlessly that there is "nothing wrong with the economy."
If that's true, I wonder why a lot of college girls in the U.S. have to sell their bodies to get through college in "the land of opportunity" and people have to work at two jobs now.
Thanks for nothing, Republicans, you filthy greedy pigs!
This is the true Dubyuh legacy: Depression. Too bad the millions of "Gomer Pyle" republicans will continue to chant-
"At least the republicans aren't gonna raise taxes". They are genetic republicans and no amount of truth will ever reach them. They believe that they are "The haves and the have mores" despite all evidence to the contrary.
What's the matter with Kansas? Third world America? It's Baaaack!
Move to Europe; you know, where kids can walk to school without being raped. They learned a long time ago that the key to preventing revolution is to always make sure that cheap bread is at least available: you know, those long baguettes and fresh big loaves for about 50 cents that cost $3.50 in the US....GOD it boggles the mind what a fucking DISASTER the years of the Bushes have been....
Bush has screwed us so bad he wont even be able to hold things together to pass off the mess he made of the United States. I lay most of the blame at his feet for the mess were are in. We should have been seriously looking for alternative fuel sources years ago! Good Job BUSH!
Hi CoCo, I'm not positive but it's something like this. People who are in the lower income bracket go to a government office and apply for food stamps. If they are eligable, they are given a certain ammont of stamps, or actually a debit card now, which they can use at grocery stores for food, no alcahol, or cigarettes. It comes from our taxes we pay.
I don't know how much they can recieve, it depends upon the number in their household. The program is corrupt of course, I've seen well dressed people using food stamps at stores, then put their groceries in high dollar automobiles and drive off. It helps many of course, people who are unemployed, with children and just getting by. ___ God Bless America.
"Where do I sign up for the revolution?"
Just remember, thanks to Rep. Jane Harman, we now have a law, the "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act," that targets those who want to make political or social change; you know, those radicals who want to support the Constitution. And why do you think Haliburton is building all those holding facilities all over the country, hmmm?
When the depression hits ___ and it will, you had better have at LEAST a year's supply of food, soap, candles, sleeping bags, and prepare to rough it for a long long time. Expect no electricity after a short time frame. You may wish to invest in a solar oven and have bleach to purify drinking water. have some washable sponges for toilet paper and have tools and shovels, axes and saws. It is going to be rough.___ Very rough.
Better have home protection weapons and ammo also. Attempt to form community security forces, for it is going to be anarchy all across America, Katrina magnified 10,000 times or more. Government checks will cease, credit cards will be worthless, the stores will be empty and if you can find a gas station that has any fuel to sell, it will likely be over $10 a gallon, maybe $20, or traded for a pound of dry beans or rice.
After awhile, the major cities will be ablaze from rioting. __Wait and see. ___ If you plan to depend upon a garden for your food, you're delusional, unless you have a decent garden set up already and are safe from roving gangs of thugs. Be better to have a lot of rat traps and a pellet gun, learn how to dress out game, stray dogs, cats rats and birds, lots of pidgeons in American cities. ___ Yum-yum.
Well, what's the point of having food when you don't have a house, right? Isn't that what these bushie people think?
You CD posters that say vote for the dems, I hate to Mc rain on your parade and do not mean to be perjorative, but it is already fixed who the next Prez will be. The whole election is just a sham for the ignorant and facile to make the sophomoric, masses believe they have a choice. You do not believe me? Then I ask you: what happened to Ron Paul,Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich!
When people have to work two or three jobs in order to feed their children, it means that they are too tired and too busy to organize and take action. Families are beleaguered and disenfranchised from taking a stand and having their voices heard. Life is too hard. The establishment likes it that way... it works for them. If we're all so busy struggling, they can get away with their greed.
I have hope. The other day, some friends and I met a young fellow on the street who was selling bumper stickers that read: "Stop bitching and start the revolution!". We each bought one and chatted with said young man for a while. Turns out he is part of a group of young people who are working on making a sustainable and self-reliant life as a community. He told us of others who are doing the same. As a woman in my 50s, I remember when my generation THOUGHT we would do this -- we talked of it and many of us tried it... but maybe this generation of young people will have more success. Let's hope for that and help them get there. We bought his bumper stickers and gave him a bit extra... and we wished him and his companions well and we talked about him the rest of our way down the street. G-d bless them and may they be successful and spread their word. I have not been able to get that young man out of my head. I wish my own kids would do the same. I think I'll go talk to them about it!
I put my "revolution" sticker on my banjo case. I hope everyone I ever play for will see it now.
CoCo. It is complicated to apply for food stamps. In California you need to make less than 130% of the federal poverty level which in 2007 was $20,650 for a family of 4. (so you need to make less than about $26,000 which is not alot especially if you live in or near a city where there is work) Then there are deductions and so on. Not simple and there is a burocracy designed to do the work for you.
We tried to get on the program three years ago and had made too much the year before. It was reallllllly tight for us that year.