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Mike Hayden, Just A Regular Guy, Thinks Iran Developing Nuclear Weapon
CIA Director Joins List of Administration Officials Who Publicly Contradict NIE, IAEA Reports
WASHINGTON -- CIA Director Michael V. Hayden said Sunday that he believes Iran is still pursuing a nuclear bomb, even though the U.S. intelligence community, including his own agency, reached a consensus judgment last year that the Islamic Republic had halted its nuclear weapons work in 2003.Asked on NBC's "Meet the Press" whether he thought Iran was trying to develop a nuclear weapon, Hayden said, "Yes," adding that his assessment was not based on "court-of-law stuff. . . . This is Mike Hayden looking at the body of evidence."
He said his conviction stemmed largely from Iran's willingness to endure international sanctions rather than comply with demands for nuclear inspections and abandon its efforts to develop technologies that can produce fissile material.
"Why would the Iranians be willing to pay the international tariff they appear willing to pay for what they're doing now if they did not have, at a minimum . . . the desire to keep the option open to develop a nuclear weapon and, perhaps even more so, that they've already decided to do that?" he said.
However, a sweeping assessment from the intelligence community issued in December concluded Iran had suspended its nuclear weapons work in 2003, soon after the United States invaded Iraq, and appeared not to have restarted it.
The CIA director is the latest senior Bush administration official to question the findings of the National Intelligence Estimate, which was widely seen as a setback to efforts by the United States and European nations to step up international pressure on Tehran.
Soon after the report was released, President Bush argued that it should not be seen as a sign that Iran was backing away from its pursuit of the bomb.
"Iran was dangerous, Iran is dangerous, and Iran will be dangerous if they have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon," he said in a Dec. 4 news conference.
In an interview with ABC News last week, Vice President Dick Cheney alleged that Iran was "heavily involved in trying to develop nuclear weapons enrichment, the enrichment of uranium to weapons-grade levels." International inspectors have not found evidence of such an effort.
Iran has said its nuclear program is strictly for peaceful energy purposes, to generate power. In its latest report, the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations' watchdog group, said that Iran's uranium enrichment operations at its Natanz plant are yielding material useful for civilian reactors, but far below the 80% or 90% grade needed for weapons production.
Still, the United States and other Western nations fear that Iran's pursuit of dual-use nuclear technologies will eventually enable it to develop nuclear weapons.
The National Intelligence Estimate on Iran represented a startling shift in the intelligence community's views of Tehran's nuclear activity. The report, issued after years of warnings that Tehran appeared bent on building a nuclear bomb, begins by saying that U.S. spy agencies had concluded "with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program."
The finding was cited as evidence that Tehran was susceptible to diplomatic pressure. It was subsequently attributed to new intelligence that had surfaced in the summer of 2007, including journals kept by senior Iranian officials that documented the decision to suspend the program.
But the report also notes that Tehran "at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons" and has not ceased civilian uranium enrichment activities that could possibly be converted to weapons development purposes.
The nation's top intelligence official, J. Michael McConnell, testified last month that he "probably would change a few things" if given a chance to redo the report, suggesting that its conclusions had been misinterpreted.
The document includes a footnote that specifies that Iran is believed to have stopped only its "weapon design and weaponization work," not the uranium-enrichment work that is widely considered the biggest obstacle to constructing a bomb.
Hayden acknowledged Sunday that U.S. estimates on such matters were now viewed with greater skepticism because assertions about Iraq's alleged stockpiles of banned weapons had been proven wrong.
The U.S. intelligence community "has additional burdens to carry because of the Iraq NIE, in which we got so much of that estimate wrong," he said.
© 2008 The Los Angeles Times
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Show Allwhy do we value education so much in this country if the people in power don't listen to the people with knowledge?
and congress is dealing with baseball players using drugs.
Doesn't this Iran thing seem like a rerun of the lead up to the war in Iraq!
Was watching the two part drama "Trojan Horse" yesterday and they had a fictional American President (who looked and sounded like Colonel Sanders) trying to come up with something to sell to the American people so that they would agree to a preemptive war against Saudi Arabia to gain control of their oil. It was set in the future two years after Canada votes in a referendum to become part of the United States. The guy running against "Colonel Sanders" is a former Canadian PM responsible for selling Canada's water to the US and, while comparing himself to Reagan, fakes his own assassination attempt while blaming the attempt on this conspiracy theorist who has devoted his life to finding dirt on the former PM. Oh yes, there is also a voting machine scandal that they are trying to cover up by killing everyone who knows about it.
Strange how aspects of American foreign policy fit nicely into fiction.
yeah, right.
these liars are suddenly telling the truth, huh?
how about Bush's line: "Iran is dangerous... if they have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon"
Okay, I know all kinds of ways to kill someone, should i be attacked?
America, America, wherefor art thou?
When it comes to blind adherence to ideology - truth does not matter.
Bush-adm. war-mongers at it again...
"Why would the Iranians be willing to pay the international tariff they appear willing to pay [by "Iran's willingness to endure international sanctions rather than comply with demands for nuclear inspections"] for what they're doing now if they did not have, at a minimum . . . the desire to keep the option open to develop a nuclear weapon and, perhaps even more so, that they've already decided to do that?" - Mike Hayden.
This amounts to the same as saying: "If you're not a criminal and got nothing to hide, why object to being surveilled by cameras or phone-tapping or other forms of invasion of privacy?"
The answer lies in the right and ability to present the facts in a proper context, with correct interpretation.
Any fact, action or statement can be construed to be suspicios presented in a context suitable for that. Hitting someone may be aggressive or defensive depending on what led up to it: that's context. Context determines whether an action is required or illegal. That's why the right to presentation in proper context is crucial. The framing of the facts say whether the facts are good or bad.
Submitting oneself to arbitrary framing through surveillance is to give up power to define the framing context for interpretation. That's particularly bad if the surveilling power has malicious intent. Such malicious intent is part of what's protected against through the right to privacy and freedom from invasion of privacy.
That right to define the proper context for interpretation of facts is equally important to individuals and states.
There's small doubt the USA has malicious intent toward Iran. Iran, whatever their own intentions and strategies, simply have a need to protect themselves against this malicious intent through resisting invasion of their privacy through "nuclear inspections".
We know, and presumably Iran knows too, that such inspections in Iraq were misused by the CIA for spying and manipulation. One of Bush's favorite lies these days is that UN inspectors were denied entry to Iraq, whereas the truth is it was the US Bush-adm. that demanded their withdrawal.
With such blatant lies coming from the US-administration, no wonder Iran is reluctant to let them have a free run of their installations, through UN proxies that only partly manage to resist US demands for help in covert operations. Yet Iran has cooperated reasonably within this context of negative intentions by the USA.
Mike Hayden's stance of de facto claiming that Iran is developing nuclear weapons, is another sad sign of US foreign policies being malignant.
That "court of law" stuff to which this ill-educated man refers is more appropriately called "due process" which used to be America's attempted quest for discerning truth.
We don't even attempt it any longer.
"Truth" no longer matters. Nor do the means. It's all a quest for the result of power and domination. How we play the game of life has little value -- even if it promotes killing, fear and suffering along the way.
All bets and rules are "off the table" -- so is any democratic process for ending this current nightmare we find ourselves and our country. We appear in a death spiral -- from which, perhaps a new dream will emerge from the ashes.
In 1951 a bill was passed in the Iranian parliament to nationalize the British owned Anglo-
Iranian Oil company. Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh was then elected Prime Minister. Two years later the CIA staged a coup and installed the Shah. From 1953 to 1979 the people of Iran were made to suffer under the thumb of an extreme right wing regime that was spear-headed by the notorious secret police SAVAK. Thousands were executed or tortured in a horrible police state, with the help of our government and the CIA... The Shah was a tyrant, and the Iranian people finally overthrew him in the revolution of 1979. If the Iranians do get a Nuclear Bomb it will be a direct result of covert U.S. policies.
Of course the Iranians have a desire to have nuclear weapons. That desire may be because Isreal has them.
So do you bomb them, or threaten to bomb them because they have a DESIRE? Well, if you want to control THEIR oil you might.
George Tenent altered the 2002 NIE report to please Bush, this "REGULAR GUY", just ignores the NIE report ___ and that makes sense to so many??? That's friggin crazy.
I swear, our water must be far more polluted than we imagine, or maybe all of our politicans and media jocks are using Head-On, apply directly to the forehead?
Yes, weapons inspectors should go into Israel and remove their nukes and other WMD.
Would you trust this guy Hayden to babysit your kids? We sure as hell shouldn't trust him to babysit our intelligence.
With Fallon gone, cheney going to the mid-east to spout Iranian hatred, bush stepping up more rhetorical lies, etc, there should be no doubt that they are planning an attack on Iran. By September perhaps, or just before the Nov election? I'm sure they're debating it right now, or more likely already have the plan in their playbook.
One can only hope faintly that Hayden is playing along as the constitutionally mandated (22nd Amendment) time for the Dubya, Cheney, & Co. regime elapses. If he actually believes it and is trying to do his part to make an attack on Iran happen, then it will be necessary to add his name for a Nuremberg style tribunal to try the crimes of the idiots at the White House. Of course, this happens in an ideal world.
Uhuh, General Mike Hayden, is a "regular guy" and just happens to show up on tv to nay-say the evidence. I'm sure Bush is very cross.
"court-of-law stuff" Don't you love it when career government employees throw around these "aw, shucks" terms. (Hayden has worked for US governments, both democratic and republican since 1969)
"…his conviction stemmed largely from Iran's willingness to endure international sanctions rather than comply…"
Notice how he tosses away the available evidence, the NIE report for example, and then slips in the lies. Hayden says that the Iranian government has not welcomed inspectors, when of course they have been there for years. They have also, as anyone reading these articles knows, explicitly disavowed any interest in nuclear weapons.
Iran's energy sector is as legal as America's. Oh wait, the Bush regime has ripped up the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in its quest for a new generation of atomic bombs "the Reliable Replacement Warhead", so Iran is more on the side of the law than America, isn't it?
I've got to ask, when newspapers quote people like this general in the Bush government, why don't they give a running total of the fibs and tall tales that have been already committed? I suppose the corporate media doesn't do mendacity counts, anymore than they do body counts of the Iraqi dead.
By the way, when is the US going to let in the nuclear inspectors?
KEM PATRICK
yeah, but they're putting on their ass instead............and eating too many tic tacs..........
Mr. Hayden is suffering from the same lunacy as all the others that keep proclaiming that Iran is developing nukes (including george bush, Dick Cheney, and George Monbiot).
These people continually try to come across as 'authority' on the subject to try to make their little war happen. They ignore all evidence and indications to the contrary, and come across like the "Lost In Space" robot saying "Danger Will Robinson! Danger!". Those with an IQ higher than about 50 know better.
Oh yeah COCO, I forgot the Tic-Tacs. Full of sugar and they cost $23 a pound. A buck for 5/8 of an ounce. With all of those Washngton DC call girls and the high dollar New Yorker gals outsourcing their friendship to DC, they need their Tic-Tacs.
He drank the koolaid.....must be something they put in the water in Water...
For the straight skinny on Genral Hayden see:
http://www.markfiore.com/snuggly_0
Just another lying sack-o-shit he is. Even IF the Iranians are after nukes, can you really blame them? What's the Number 1 lesson that EVERY country has learned from the US in the past few years... Have Nukes, we won't mess with you, don't have nukes and you're toast. In fact, because of the reckless and aggressive behavior of the US, I'm sure that many countries that had no interest in nuclear weapons now does.
Yes they does.
Cheney was in Saudi Arabia last week, and all of a sudden the Saudi rulers are hyped up about finding ways to hide from 'radiological' threats.
The US navy has all kinds of hardware floating in the waters off Iran and Syria.
The Israelis are doing their level best to re-enact the atrocities inflicted on them by the Nazis, but this time the genocide's target is the Palestinians. And please remember that US corporations supported Hitler too. Think how much cash and military hardware the US sends Israel every year. Not to mention how gung ho the Israeli government is to attack Iran.
And now the date of April 6 has popped up in discussions with the Russians...
Could the 'October Surprise' be happening a few months early, right after HRC loses that last major push of the Democratic primaries?
he also said (according to an english-language gulf newspaper) that al qaeda was training operatives who 'look western' and could enter the u.s. undetected to conduct terrorist attacks..............
I am just a regular gal and I can spot a load of lies when I see it. Let's hope we can get a new President elected (my choice is Barack, but Hillary will do) before the lying hide-behind-the-flag republicans start another war against Iran.
Those damned Iranians! Where do they get off thinking they are entitled to even think about having the ability to develop nuclear weapons. Only racially superior countries like Israel and the USA should have that privilege.
is it just me or is there something disturbing about seeing a CIA director in a military uniform?
Isn't this a bit of the 'Boy Who Cried Wolf?" How can we believe a word they say after what they did to us on Iraq...especially since the intelligence community nixed their predictions?
This is just what we need...another front in a criminal war!! This will make all the debate about Social Security moot....we'll not be able to afford to take a p!ss without China's (and other debtholders) permission! And we'd better be careful...if we step too far out of line, those same debtholders may call in the debt. What would we do THEN? Declare war on THEM?
H#LL NO! We'd just attack them preemptively...who needs a war declaration?
Hey Mikey,
Sit down and publicly debate your opinion with Scott Ritter sometime and let us all judge who's got their facts in order.
Or else...STFU and GTFO, you smarmy hack.
Thank you.
truthaddict - I was looking for someone here to mention that uniform. When I saw him on C-SPAN this morning (or was that Sunday?) the uniform gave me worse chills than the guy wearing it always has.
REMEMBER WE (USA) ARE THE ONLY COUNTRY TO EVER USE NUKES!! RUSSIA AND CHINA HAVE NUKES...OH I FORGOT....THEY ALSO HAVE A NAVY AND AIR FORCE....BUSH WON'T MESS WITH THEM
What twigged on me was this fellow Hayden claiming that terroist organiziers were training people who look and act like white westerners.
Maybe a trial balloon, but it strikes me as a rationale for picking up for detention a much wider number of people than are being picked up now.
(Speaking of Stalinism, I just finished Vasily Grossman's LIFE AND FATE...easily as good a look at a totalitarian society as is 1984. Try it out...you'll find a lot of familiar things in it, I'm sorry to say.)
What do you expect from a faith-based administration. Officials choose to believe - nothing is based on evidence; instead, it is faith.
I cannot wait to see what a faith-based judicial system will look like ... all those miracles.
"But the report also notes that Tehran "at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons" and has not ceased civilian uranium enrichment activities that could possibly be converted to weapons development purposes."
Isn't every country on the planet that now DISTRUSTS the United States, "keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons" at some point in time?......And if not develop enriched uranium, buy it from someone else?
What a piss-poor excuse for invading Iran. Surely these alleged intelligence "gurus" can come up with a more palatable argument for invading another country in the "oil rich" Middle East.
Astonishing! And we are spending how much on intelligence in this country? We know it's at least $50 Billion per year, but it could certainly be a whole lot more given the "black budget" that no one in Congress likes to talk about.
Yep, Hayden is saying the the US intelligence PR boogey man Al Quaeda is looking to train blonde, blue eyed people of Northern European stock to infiltrate into the US.
Right after Sec Def Gates ordered a complete inventory of nuclear weapons and triggering devices.
So. Here's my take on it. Either Israel or the US will have a 'moderate' nuclear boo-boo (maybe as early as April 6), maybe not even as big as Hiroshima, Bush says we must retaliate, blames Iran, declares martial law, the elections are cancelled, Blackwater backed 'police' swoop down on 'suspected terrorists' (mostly WASP anti-war, anti-Bush types), and fill up the Halliburton built detention centers. Then Bush calls up the Israeli PM, promises undying loyalty to the second coming, and nukes downtown Tehran into glowing green glass. The Saudi royal family then hides in their nuke resistant bunkers, the Middle East has an anti-American meltdown, Blackwater stock skyrockets, but Wall Street tanks as oil prices erupt past $200/barrel, and Cheney has an apoplectic fit when he realizes he can use Directive 51 to pre-emptively assume power by declaring Bush a clear and present danger to the US, and becomes US pres #44.
All the while HRC dances around at her National Prayer Breakfast, waiting for the Rapture to lift her and Bill to heaven.
"truthaddict March 31st, 2008 4:46 pm
is it just me or is there something disturbing about seeing a CIA director in a military uniform?"
"wilmoor March 31st, 2008 6:25 pm
truthaddict - I was looking for someone here to mention that uniform. When I saw him on C-SPAN this morning (or was that Sunday?) the uniform gave me worse chills than the guy wearing it always has."
Yeah, I find it surreal. Somewhere between Minority Report and Dr. Strangelove.
Interesting quote about the Film "Minority Report" (2002):
"Is it possible that the act of accusing someone of a murder could begin a chain of events that leads to the slaying... Take away the accusation, and there would be no question of...committing a criminal act. The prediction drives the act – a self-fulfilling prophecy."
"The pre-crime program does not merely prevent crimes; it also takes punitive measures against prospective murderers. Thus, pre-murderers are punished not for what they actually do, but what for what they would have done."
And, from "Dr. Strangelove" (1964), a quote from Major T. J. "King" Kong, played by Slim Pickens:
"Now look, boys. I ain't much of a hand at makin' speeches. But I got a pretty fair idea that somethin' doggoned important's going on back there. And I got a fair idea of the kind of personal emotions that some of you fellas may be thinkin'. Heck, I reckon you wouldn't even be human beins if you didn't have some pretty strong personal feelings about nuclear combat. But I want you to remember one thing - the folks back home is a countin' on ya, and by golly, we ain't about to let 'em down. Tell ya somethin' else - this thing turns out to be half as important as I figure it just might be, I'd say that you're all in line for some important promotions an' personal citations when this thing's over with. That goes for every last one of ya, regardless of your race, color, or your creed. Now, let's get this thing on the hump. We got some flyin' to do."
Scary thought. Life imitates art.
Hey, did ya read the news? Israel is going to sign the NPT.
Just kidding - April Fools!
Hmmm...too bad CIA Director Michael Hayden has never read the NPT! The language is very plain. Y'all can read it for yourselves. I recommend it. Too often, its contents are not mentioned in "the news." Member states have to right to master the nuclear fuel cycle.
Enriching uranium is not a crime.
Waitaminute!!!
CIA... CIVILIAN INTELLIGENCE AGENCY!! CI-VIL-I-AN!!
What the hell are you idiots in the US doing, letting an Air Force general be in charge of a CIVILIAN intelligence agency?!? With no public outcry?!
Jay-sus Kee-rist on a flaming bicycle!
No wonder your country is hell bent on starting ANOTHER war!
Those of you who are not insane are brain dead!!
YOU JUST HANDED YOU COUNTRY OVER TO THE GRANDCHILDREN OF THE NAZIS!!!
don't forget: this is the guy who, in his previous position as nat'l sec advisor to bush-whacked, got into a spirited argument with (i think NBC) reporter @ the white house press briefing about how the 4th amendment ("and if there's one thing we in the NSA know it's the 4th amendment!") doesn't contain the phrase "probable cause." he insisted probable cause was not applicable because he claimed it wasn't mentioned in the bill of rights. the reporter kept arguing that it did; he insisted, with all the authority his shiny little stars could muster, that the reporter was high.
he belongs in prison along with all his other criminal & insane cohorts.
One overwhelming thing should be considered:
NUCLEAR WEAPONS ARE ABOMINATIONS
OK, following from that:
The United States is the only nation on the planet which has used these weapons of mass destruction (twice).
The United States makes no such threats of action against the following countries if the do not dismantle their presently active nuclear arsenals.
UK
France
Russia
China
India
Pakistan
and especially Israel
Now let's just take the last country as an example.
The Israelis have the bomb to protect themselves. Their fear is a combined attack on their promised land by Arab armies and are aware that there is a (remote) possibility that the US may not always be their unquestioning arms dealer. They also have the bomb for the same reason that all the other countries who posses it do, deterrence of a nuclear attack.
Now let's look at Iran.
Surrounded by nuclear armed Russia, Pakistan and Israel and with US navy carrier based nuclear bombers on their doorstep they may feel a tad threatened. Especially with the sabre-rattling coming from Bush and his minions.
So it's OK for Israel to have their bombs but not Iran.
When the US starts acting as a citizen of the planet and not it's self-appointed moral voice and sole arbiter of what actions other sovereign nations may or may not pursue. Perhaps they will be more willing to take notice.
It will take a long time for Iran to respect the United States after the rantings of the present leadership, but in a climate of reduced bellicosity perhaps they will feel that they can live with you.
All of the above presupposes that Iran is actually attempting a military nuclear program (like Israel has succeeded in). It is also possible that they are telling the truth just like Iraq did and they have no WMD program. But when has the truth ever stopped Bush and coy from doing just as they pleased?
Roll on January.
And here I am thinking the USA may have a nuclear bomb or two, Israel, Europe, Russia, China, Pakistan, India may also have them and Bush's Gestapo thinks Iran may have one. Oh! I get it Iran also have oil, what a coincidence. I think I'll piss off to Cuba where the sane people live.
Oh dear God! I have never made two entries on one story -- but in this case I cannot help myself. After doing further research -- I am sick to my stomach. I thought the above photo of Hayden was a file photo. Nope! It's current! It's over! We literally have a uniformed General sitting in the position as CIA Director. Is this Stalin revisited, or just a nightmare about the reincarnation of the Third Reich? I sense it is a hybrid of the two.
He is getting warmed up with his framing of the evil ones now looking less like themeselves and now looking like the good, Euro-based folks of the Homeland that needs greater Security and measures of cleansing to keep us safe.
This whole mess sounds like another case of being sold a bill of goods by the corporatizer promoters of "Disaster Capital" as the "sure fire" method of achieving a pure capitalistic world; it's just like a page out of Naomi Klein's book,"The Shock Doctrine."
How soon before you can't move from place to place within your own country without having to present your 'approved' government papers.
Or have an RFID chip implanted.
Or have to wear a locked onto your wrist Taser shock bracelet that can be activated at whim by the 'police'.
Or all three.
Sheriff Jethro Bubbingsworth pointed out the many 'dual-use' murder weapons in Mr. Washington's garage.
"Lookie heyahr, ya got a blunt trauma head injury murder weapon right here" said the 340 pound Sheriff, holding up an ordinary hammer.
"And over heyahr, ya got some sick arm removal weapon" said the long time local Sheriff, holding up a saw.
"Damn, I don't know why ya'all don't just run up that ni... neighbor of yours in the trees out by the crick. He is a serial killer, just waiting to be set off by somethin. For God's sake, think of the *children* !" wailed the red-faced Churchgoer.
Mr. Washington, a local carpenter, insists the 'weapons' are just used in his job at the school construction site. "What the hell is that guys problem ?" asked a perplexed, 62 year old Mr. Washington, apparently referring to Mr. Bubbingsworth.
"Yeah, that's just what I *expect* a lying, no-good murdering ni... neighbor to say, I heard he had trouble in Alabama, too, my cousin's a Sheriff down there."
Local townspeople will gather this Thursday to decide whether to run Mr. Washington out of town. "At least, let's put some sanctions on him, turn up the pressure till he decides to move", said a Mrs. Winthorpe. "He touched my 12 year old *daughter* for God's sake, he looked so evil", she said, referring to the time the retired Pastor, Mr. Washington, helped her daughter up after she had a nasty fall off her bike in front of oncoming traffic.
As one poster stated, "Nuclear weapons are an abomination".
i am reading "Hiroshima" by John Hersey.
This is why the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty commits the countries that have nuclear weapons (USA...) to eliminate them.
The USA is evil, Bush is a liar, the MSM is filled with hypocrites and dupes, and no one can publicly speak the truth.
The USA is and has long been the leading purveyor of terror on Earth. Hypocrites, dupes, liars, no one can publicly speak the truth.
But, it is the truth.
i'm going back upstairs to continue reading "Hiroshima" by John Hersey.
How are common people going to stop the USA from committing omnicide? "Leaders" clearly will not do the job.
Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty - Hiroshima - abomination - common people - hypocrites, dupes, liars...
GALEN
i like your synopsis of the situation. have you thought about writing a (condensed) book.?
ET AL
yes, al queda are going to drop these 'western' look alikes by parachute, as the name abdul on their (foreign) passports might be suspicious....
How long will we sit on the sidelines and watch this?
Impeachment is overdue. Charges for the Bush Regime are overdue. If we cannot influence our lawmakers to "do the right thing," then we're officially screwed.
I'm moving to Canada.
Coco- Fiction or non-fiction?
Sdw917- try for the west coast up here. BC's fairly relaxed, the waethers moderate, scenery is beautiful, and the politics mostly progressive. AVOID Ontario and Alberta. They have Bush's Stepford children all over the damn place.
I live 30 miles from Windsor, Ontario. I have relatives there, too. That would be my first choice, but I've always loved BC from afar.
GALEN
neither really..............a sort of 'nostradamus' book.
Mike Hayden..."just a regular guy who doesn't do "court-of-law" stuff"
Who shows up to the interview in a US military uniform, with ensignia of a 4 star General, and a chest full of medals....hmmmm...just your regular guy.
I didn't think the US government DID "court-of-law" stuff anymore anyways...from illegal invasion to torture to illegal eavsdropping....
Jeffrey Courion March 31st, 2008 10:43 pm
"Oh dear God! I have never made two entries on one story — but in this case I cannot help myself. After doing further research — I am sick to my stomach. I thought the above photo of Hayden was a file photo. Nope! It's current! It's over! We literally have a uniformed General sitting in the position as CIA Director. Is this Stalin revisited, or just a nightmare about the reincarnation of the Third Reich?"
Jeff,
I thought that Congress approved him with the understanding that he would retire from the military. Do you know anything about this?
My God! Didn't we go thru the same kind of
horseshit these liars fed us before we invaded
Iraq? What contempt The Dick Cheney, Bush the
brain, Condi Mushroom Cloud, the Intelligence
crew, et al. must have for "we the people".