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As John McCain and his presumptive vice-presidential running mate, Joe Lieberman, toured the middle East together (Joe to remind John of who is on first in Iraq so as to correct gaffs born of John's ignorance or old age, and John to demonstrate that notwithstanding his occasional gaffs, he still has the intellectual ability to be president of the United States) it was useful to keep in mind the words of one of John's recently announced supporters, John Hagee. It was especially useful since instead of hunting and exposing the Fox as responsible media should do when in pursuit of truth, the media has been docilely led and influenced by the Fox in the Fox's unceasing attempts to savage Barack Obama because of the words of his friend and pastor, Jeremiah Wright.
A reading of the sermon that inspired the Fox's incessant diatribe reveals that the sermon is no worse than, and in many respects considerably more thoughtful than, the hatred expressed by John McCain supporter, John Hagee (JH) over the years. JH's calumny has made anything even hinted at by Reverend Wright seem bland. He has explanations for just about everything bad that has ever happened and, amazingly, they all relate back to God's and JH's view of current events.
Interviewed by Terry Gross on National Public Radio's Fresh Air on September 18, 2006 JH explained his and God's thinking. About Hurricane Katrina he said that on the day of Katrina's arrival, a homosexual parade had been planned in that city. As a result of that and a generally dissolute life style pervasive in that city, he explained: "I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are-were- recipients of the judgment of God for that. . . . And I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans." Asked by Ms. Gross whether Muslims have a mandate to kill Christians and Jews he replied that the Quran "teaches that very clearly." Muslims and gays are not the only groups that have received the benefit of the Lord's thinking as explicated by JH.
On February 28, 2008, Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League For Religious and Civil Rights, commented on the JH's endorsement of John McCain the preceding day saying: "[F]or the past few decades, he [JH] has waged an unrelenting war against the Catholic Church. For example, he likes calling it 'The Great Whore,' an 'apostate church,' the 'anti-Christ,' and a 'false cult system.' . . . In Hagee's latest book, Jerusalem Countdown he calls Hitler a Catholic who murdered Jews while the Catholic Church did nothing. 'The sell-out of Catholicism to Hitler began not with the people but with the Vatican itself' he writes." Of course Mr. Donohue is not totally objective. He's a Roman Catholic.
JH also knows how to raise money. On July 27, 2006, the Wall Street Journal reported on a fund-raiser sponsored by JH's 16,000 member Cornerstone Church. In the church bulletin, "The Cluster", the fundraiser was announced with a catchy lead-in. It said: "Slavery in America is returning to Cornerstone." The teaser ended with the sentence "Make plans to come and go home with a slave."
John McCain was delighted to be endorsed by the other John. Following the endorsement he said: "All I can tell you is I'm very proud to have pastor Hagee's support." He was not asked to explain whether that meant he, too, shares that John's feelings about Muslims, Catholics, and the joys of slavery. (A few days after the endorsement and told of the other John's comments about Catholics, John McCain partially followed Barack Obama's lead who, when asked about his endorsement by Louis Farrakhan, denounced Farrakhan's anti-Semitic rhetoric and rejected his support. John McCain did not reject the endorsement but said he repudiated any of Hagee's comments if they were "anti-catholic or offensive to Catholics.)
John McCain's acceptance of the endorsement by the other John may well have been influenced by his mentor, Joe Liebermann. Joe is a big fan of both Johns. He hangs out with the John who's running for president. He admires the other John.
In July 2007, a year after the "slave sale" at the other John's church, Joe was a speaker at a convention of "Christians United for Israel," a group of which the other John is founder and national chairman. In thanking the other John for inviting him, Joe said: "I would describe Pastor Hagee with the words the Torah uses to described Moses, he is an "Eesh Elo Kim," a man of God because those words fit him; and, like Moses he has become the leader of a mighty multitude in pursuit of and defense of Israel. . . . If ever there was a man who will be blessed because he has blessed Israel, Pastor Hagee, it is you. . . ." Whether John McCain is blessed because the other John blessed him only time will tell.
Christopher Brauchli brauchli.56@post.harvard.edu For political commentary see my web page http://humanraceandothersports.com
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Show AllHagee is right (or Wright) about some things. The Quran does urge Muslims to fight Christians and Jews who refuse to submit and pay tribute (at 9:29). And Hitler was formally a Catholic, and the Catholic Church didn't do much to stop the Holocaust. Of course, very few people did anything to stop the Holocaust. America certainly did not, even when we had bombers flying over Germany. Hagee's anti-Catholic polemics are standard stuff for the average 17th century English Protestant. Perhaps Senator McCain should run for president of England in 1650. He might do a better job than Oliver Cromwell.
As a generalization, "Christianity" as practiced in America is a manifestation of the "Antichrist" !
It is also an effective tool for duping the slaves into voting for their masters.
Some of the Christian criminals in Washington should read their bibles regarding what they are doing in Iraq, such as "Thou shall not kill" and "Thou shall not steal".
Hillary's secret right wing church has yet to be renounced or rejected or even spoken of on the moronic media and there are so many examples of bigoted right wing churches in America and even a church that tolerated child molesting for many years and how many of there flock got up and left these churches. The hypocrisy of the outrage against Rev. Wright is sickening and worse yet is Hillary Clinton happily exploiting it.
Let's see, we can all do what John Hagee does:
Since the New Orleans area sports such a concentration of the infrastructure of our oil economy God communicated to me that he would bring a great storm there to punish America for worshiping the false idol, Petroleum.
As a poster commented earlier this week, those areas of NO where most of the gay community resides were not very affected, I am absolutely certain God spoke truly to me and that Hagee is a false profit(sic).
What really disturbs me is not the existance of hucksters and hate-mongers such as JH, but of those thousands of followers that believe his insanity.
militantliberal: 9:29 is not an invocation to attack Jews and Christians. I am not a Muslim but even I can see that it reads as an admonition to resist people who do not contribute to the welfare of the community because they do not believe in God. The Quran very specifically admonishes the followers of Islam to respect Christians and Jews and treat them with the utmost courtesy and respect because their prophets's teachings come from the same God as do the beliefs of Islam. I get very frustrated by this type of distortion used to inflame the ignorant.
countess: Do you have any urls that explore the Clinton church you mention ? Thanks.
How is it that a so-called "pastor" of a measly 16,000 member cultflock in a country of 300 million manages to get so much attention and press? Hell, the Dallas Stars have more fans than that - how come the candidates are fighting for Mike Modano's endorsement? Or, better yet, why not kiss Peyton Manning's ass, or Tiger Woods - there's a coupla million votes easy!
Howard Stern's worth a minimum 5 million votes - maybe McCain should go flash his breasts to Baba Booey while farting the SSBanner. What about the Tom Cruisetology contingent - another few million there, yes?
Seriously, 16,000 barely even qualifies as a cult according to the International Cult Association charter. Maybe if we all stopped paying attention to these little mental cases with the big mouths, they'll go the f**k away...
I still do not understand why the Rev. Wright's parishioners did not demonstrate in his defense, and about the hypocrisy and down right racism of the coverage.
Much worse than this has been going on for years in the right wing fundy churches every Sunday with barely a mention from the MSM. I guess it was ok because they were all repub white preachers but as soon as they got a whiff of a black man saying (much less imho) something convtroversial; non-stop coverage for weeks on end; how is that not f*%* racist.
Every liberal, progressive and moderate in America who would like to see the effects of John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Kenneth Copeland, Tim Lahaye, and others of the megachurch
"big religion" prophecy-spouting ilk be diminished in American politics needs to do something now.
They (we) need to Google up some articles on John McCain, his second wife, Cindy Hensley McCain, and the Hensley & Company (Phoenix, AZ) beer distributorship business -- Cindy McCain, family heir and current chairman. They (we) need to become thoroughly informed about the hundreds of millions --possibly billions--of individual beers which have been sold from there since John McCain married into the business more than two decades ago. Then they (we) need to tell the world that McCain once was a military man but more recently and more importantly has been profiting as the beer man, and continues to do so at this very moment.
Evangelicals' votes are REQUIRED for McCain to win. He CANNOT win without getting most of them. It is only possible for Republican "pastors" to endorse McCain on pro-life, pro-Israel, pro-prophecy, anti-gay, anti-socialism (etc.) grounds BY ALSO ENDORSING HIS 25+ YEARS SELLING BEER to facilitate addiction, drunk driving, domestic abuse and underage drinking. (Yes, it's statistically impossible that a massive customer base could possibly exclude these "problem" categories.)
Church members must KNOW THE SCORE on this (because liberals tell them), and know the moral choice they face about what they're personally willing to vote for if certain religious leaders tell them to go with McCain.
Don't imagine I'm anti-Jesus or anti-church. Quite the contrary. I believe that many in the flocks have been badly misled to Republican corporatism for many years now, and that they (perhaps even providentially) now have a grounded-in-gospel-love opportunity and obligation to choose elsewise. There is no way in Heaven that the God who sent his son, Jesus, is calling his Church to vote for a bomb-bomb away, hard-cussin' beer profiteer to be President of America. And any serious Christian who believes in Jesus and who searches his/her own heart in prayer is gonna realize this. No other answer
But the faithful must be informed. They must come to know that everyone but a beer profiteer has somehow fallen out of the Republican race this time. That's what liberals are for right now---to point this out. Not in derision, just as a no-baloney fact.
It is no surprise that the corporate media is practicing a double standard in regards to the Pastor thing. The positions of the religious nut bags whom support McCain are far more odious than anything Wright has ever uttered.
If there is a god, he owes the world an apology.
Hoa binh
I've given up on churches. It is not that I do not believe in a God. I do. I just have my doubts about organized religion. History, current history included, shows that organized religion believes more in control and in politics than it does in any God.
Do you remember "Justice Sunday". That is when a US senator said "Democrats are against people of faith.". Not only was the statement unchallenged; it was applauded. Since then, I have completed closed my mind to churches.
The church of science has also aided dictators.
It isnt like Hitler was throwing bibles at people or using scriptures in the gas chambers.
Go after religious fanatics, but also criticize science for the horrors it perpetuates. It tends to go unnoticed.
Speaking of religion, kudos to Mr. Brauchli for catching the strange irony of millions of European-Americans trusting FOX(!!!) for their information.
In many of the Animistic "religions" of Ancient Europe, Fox was a trickster spirit similar to Coyote in some American Traditions.
You could certainly profit from a clever deal with Fox, you could even be amused by Fox, but TRUST Fox?
No way.
-matti.
Oh, and I am aware that the FOX in FOXNews is derived from "20th Century Fox", but its still a strange choice for a name, don't you think?
It's so interesting to me that things as Incredibly Weird as this are so common and so commonly not commented on.
-matti.
If there's a god then America needs a bigger flood.
This is not about Obama's church. This about the right wing cabal either destroying, or attempting to destroy, any progressive candidate for President by any method whatsoever.
Preachers and Politicians make good bedfellows!
They both engage in fraud for personal gain. They both deceive in a professional, staged manner. Neither group can or will deliver on their many promises. For profit, the MSM supports their deceit as do the Capitalist Barons.
The current situation in America is a carbon copy of the circumstances prior to the French Revolution. Corruption is endemic. Morality is dead. The rich gorge while the peasants do it tough.
It's time for change, folks, or we'll all go down the gurgler!
www.dangerouscreation.com
The devil and a young seeker were walking together having a discussion when up ahead someone had found a little bit of truth, lying right there in the path.
Excited, the young seeker asked the devil, "look, that person found some truth, aren't you concerned?".
"No" said the devil, "in just a short time they will organize a religion around it".
"There is not in the universe a more ridiculous nor a more contemtible animal than a proud clergyman."
~~Fielding~~ ___Amelia, book x, Ch. 10
Pray ..What's On?
Pentagon Enron lopped off star on
black oily water on but..... mercy off
85 million oily barrels a day on
the vessel off but the sword is on
say....
merge the vessel and the sword
to form the unicursal hexagram
a symbol to release us from that earthly bondage
to find the tao of that perfect balance
or...
are we plugged in to the media shills
who point to a new temple on the hill
while the money changers cheer
and puppets write though hardly clear
'I had my own Pearl Harbor that day'
as nameless others ducked and covered
So now the shining poorhouse on the hill
running empty change and hope
are making sure we're walking in time
to the beat of the predator's bottom line
so we should all be singing:
The supreme International crime
Hey buddy it's all on your dime
As much as I detest Hagee and his views, I also dislike the guilt by association paradigm. The same tactic is used to discredit Obama because of Wright's comments. If we dissociated ourselves from everyone we know who has uttered some offensive remark, we'd all be very lonely indeed. For that matter, who among us, in a moment of pique, hasn't said something we later regretted, which does not truly reflect our views? Unless the candidate has endorsed the views in question, or acted in support of them, we ought to leave it alone. There are enough real issues out there, and this salacious sideshow merely distracts the electorate from the things which are truly important. At a time when we face unprecedented, simultaneus economic, environmental, military, foreign policy and health care crises, we have better things with which to concern ourselves. Enough of this tabloid journalism already!
JH and JW are speaking the truth but the problem is that no body wants to be reminded of their sins. People would rather sing God Bless America than GD America.
As opposed to the Koran, the Bible clearly preaches tolerance for other religious beliefs. Quoting from Deuteronomy . . .
13:13 Certain men . . .are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;
13:14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;
13:15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
13:16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.
I couldn't think of a much more repulsive ticket than a mccain/lieberman. We would definitely attack Iran (mccain) to protect Israel (lieberman) if cheney/bush don't do it by Nov.
So let's see here. In Iraq we have Shia/Sunni fighting while in this great land of ours it's still the sme battle from when Martin Luther started. Both lasting centuries and still going strong.