Frontline: Too Timid, Too Little, Too Late
Frontline's "Bush's War" on PBS Monday and Tuesday evening was a nicely put-together rehash of the top players' trickery that led to the attack on Iraq, together with the power-grabbing, back-stabbing, and limitless incompetence of the occupation.
Except for an inside-the-beltway tidbit here and there-for example, about how the pitiable secretary of state Colin Powell had to suffer so many indignities at the hands of other type-A hard chargers, Frontline added little to the discussion. Notably missing was any allusion to the unconscionable role the Fourth Estate adopted as indiscriminate cheerleader for the home team; nor was there any mention that the invasion was a serious violation of international law. But those omissions, I suppose, should have come as no surprise.
Nor was it a surprise that any viewer hoping for insight into why Cheney and Bush were so eager to attack Iraq was left with very thin gruel. It was more infotainment, bereft of substantive discussion of the whys and wherefores of what in my view is the most disastrous foreign policy move in our nation's history.
Despite recent acknowledgements from the likes of Alan Greenspan, Gen. John Abizaid, and others that oil and permanent (or, if you prefer, "enduring") military bases were among the main objectives, Frontline avoided any real discussion of such delicate factors. Someone not already aware of how our media has become a tool of the Bush administration might have been shocked at how Frontline could have missed one of President George W. Bush's most telling "signing statements." Underneath the recent Defense Authorization Act, he wrote that he did not feel bound by the law's explicit prohibition against using the funding:
"(1) To establish any military installation or base for the purpose of providing for the permanent stationing of United States Armed Forces in Iraq," or
"(2) To exercise United States control of the oil resources of Iraq."
So the Frontline show was largely pap.
At one point, however, the garrulous former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage did allude to one of the largest elephants in the living room-Israel's far-right Likudniks-and their close alliance with the so-called neo-conservatives running our policy toward the Middle East. But Armitage did so only tangentially, referring to the welcome (if totally unrealistic) promise by Ahmed Chalabi that, upon being put in power in Baghdad, he would recognize Israel. Not surprisingly, the interviewer did not pick up on that comment; indeed, I'm surprised the remark avoided the cutting room floor.
Courage No Longer a Frontline Hallmark
Frontline has done no timely reportage that might be looked upon as disparaging the George W. Bush administration-I mean, for example, the real aims behind the war, not simply the gross incompetence characterizing its conduct. Like so many others, Frontline has been, let's just say it, cowardly in real time-no doubt intimidated partly by attacks on its funding that were inspired by the White House.
And now? Well the retrospective criticism of incompetence comes as polling shows two-thirds of the country against the Iraq occupation (and the number is surely higher among PBS viewers). So, Frontline is repositioning itself as a mild ex-post-facto critic of the war, but still unwilling to go very far out on a limb. Explaining the aims behind war crimes can, of course, be risky. It is as though an invisible Joseph Goebbels holds sway.
Too Late
On Monday evening I found myself initially applauding Frontline's matter- of-fact, who-shot-John chronology of how our country got lied into attacking and occupying Iraq. Then I got to thinking-have I not seen this picture before? Many times?
It took a Hollywood producer to recognize and act promptly on the con games that sober observers could not miss as the war progressed. Where were the celebrated "weapons of mass destruction" (WMD)? Robert Greenwald simply could not abide the president's switch to "weapons of mass destruction programs," which presumably might be easier to find than the much-ballyhooed WMD so heavily advertised before the attack on Iraq. You remember-those remarkable WMD about which UN chief inspector Hans Blix quipped that the U.S. had one hundred percent certainty of their existence in Iraq, but zero percent certainty as to where they were.
Robert Greenwald called me in May 2003. He had read a few of the memoranda published by Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) exposing the various charades being acted out by the administration and wanted to know what we thought of the president's new circumlocution on WMD.
I complimented him on smelling a rat and gave him names of my VIPS colleagues and other experienced folks who could fill him in on the details. Wasting no time, he arrived here in Washington in June, armed simply with copious notes and a cameraman. Greenwald conducted the interviews, flew back to his eager young crew in Hollywood and, poof, the DVD "Uncovered: The War on Iraq" was released at the beginning of November 2003."
So Frontline is four and a half years behind a Hollywood producer with appropriate interest and skepticism. (Full disclosure: I appear in "Uncovered," as do many of the interviewees appearing in Frontline's "Bush's War.")
Actually, the interviewing by Frontline occurred just a few months later. I know because I was among those interviewed for that as well, as was my good friend and former colleague at the CIA, Mel Goodman. I was struck that Mel looked four years younger on this week's Frontline. It only then dawned on me that he was four years younger when interviewed.
Have a look at "Uncovered," [http://www.truthuncovered.com/index.php ] and see how you think it compares to Frontline's "Bush's War."
Safety in Retrospectives
It also struck me that producing a Frontline-style retrospective going back several years is a much less risky genre to work with. Chalk it up to my perspective as an intelligence analyst, but ducking the incredibly important issues at stake over the next several months is, in my opinion, unconscionable. The troop "surge" in Iraq, for example.
Only toward the very end of the program does Frontline allow a bit of relevant candor on a point that has been self-evident since Cheney and Bush, against strong opposition from Generals Abizaid and Casey (and apparently even Rumsfeld), decided to double down by sending 30,000 more troops into Iraq. A malleable new secretary of defense would deal with the recalcitrant generals and pick a Petreaus ex Machina of equal malleability and political astuteness to implement this stop-gap plan.
Pulitzer Prize winning journalist/author Steve Coll, with typical candor, put the "surge" into perspective:
"The decision at a minimum guaranteed that his [Bush's] presidency would not end with a defeat in history's eyes; that by committing to the surge, he was certain to at least achieve a stalemate."
Given this week's fresh surge of violence as the U.S. surge is scheduled to wind down, even a stalemate may be in some doubt. But, okay, small kudos to Frontline for including that bit of truth-however obvious-and for adding the grim background music to its final comment: "Soon Bush's war will be handed to someone else."
Rather Not, Thank You
Intimidation of the media is what has happened all around, including with Frontline, which not so many years ago was able to do some gutsy reporting. Let me give you another example about which few are aware.
Do you remember when Dan Rather made his Apologia Pro Vita Sua, admitting that the American media, including him, was failing to reveal the truth about things like Iraq? Speaking to the BBC on May 16, 2002, Rather compared the situation to the fear of "necklacing" in South Africa:
"It's an obscene comparison," Rather said, "but there was a time in South Africa when people would put flaming tires around peoples' necks if they dissented. In some ways, the fear is that you will be neck-laced here, you will have a flaming tire of lack of patriotism put around your neck."
Talking to another reporter, Dan told it straight about the careerism that keeps US journalists in line. "It's that fear that keeps [American] journalists from asking the toughest of the tough questions and to continue to bore-in on the tough questions so often."
The comparison to "necklacing" may be "obscene" but, sadly, it is not far off the mark. So what happened to the newly outspoken Dan Rather with the newly found courage, when he ran afoul of Vice President Dick Cheney and the immense pressure he exerts on the corporate media?
We know about the lies and the cheerleading for attacking Iraq. But there is much more most of us do not know and remain unable to learn if Rather and other one-time journalists keep acting like Bert Lahr's cowardly lion in the Wizard of Oz before he gets "the nerve" and courage.
For Dan Rather, the fear would simply not go away...even after leaving CBS for HDNet and promising that, on his new "Dan Rather Reports" show, viewers would see hard-hitting and courageous reporting that he said he couldn't do at CBS.
Will it surprise you that Dan Rather cannot shake the necklace? I refer specifically to a program for "Dan Rather Reports," meticulously prepared by award-winning producer, Kristina Borjesson. The special included interviews with an impressive string of first-hand witnesses to neocon machinations prior to the US attack on Iraq, and provides real insights into motivations-the kind of insights Frontline did not even attempt.
Nipped in the Bud by the "Dark Side"
Last year Borjesson's taping was finished and the editing had begun. Borjesson's requests to interview people working for the vice president had been denied. But, following standard journalistic practice (not to mention common courtesy), she sent an email to John Hannah in Cheney's office in order to give Hannah a chance to react to what others-including several of the same senior folks on Frontline last evening- had said about him for her forthcoming report.
At that point all hell broke loose. Borjesson was abruptly told by Rather's executive producer that by sending the email, Borjesson could have "brought down the whole ('Dan Rather Reports') operation."
The show was killed and Borjesson sacked. For good measure, she was also accused of "coaching" interview subjects and taking their words out of context. Since neither Rather nor his executive producer would provide proof to substantiate that allegation, Borjesson took the unprecedented step of sending her script and transcripts to all her interview subjects, asking them to confirm or deny that she had coached them or taken their words out of context. Not one of them found her script inaccurate or said they were coached. She has the emails to prove this.
This sorry episode and Frontline's careful avoidance of basic issues like the strategic aims of the Bush administration in invading and occupying Iraq are proof, if further proof were needed, that the White House, and especially Cheney's swollen office, exert enormous pressure over what we are allowed to see and hear. The fear they instill in the corporate press, and in what once was serious investigative reporting of programs like Frontline, translates into programs getting neutered or killed outright-and massive public ignorance.
Some consolation is to be found in the good news that, in this particular case, Kristina Borjesson is made of stronger stuff; she has not given up, and was greatly encouraged by how many of the very senior officials and former officials she had already interviewed consented to be re-interviewed (since the tapes belonged to the "Rather Not" folks).
Now who looks forward to being re-interviewed?
Borjesson's original interviewees took into account her problems with the cowards and the censors-and her atypical, gutsy refusal to self-censor-and went the extra mile. A tribute to them as well, and their interest in getting the truth out.
Borjesson is now completing the program on her own. Look for an announcement in the coming months, if you're interested in real sustenance rather than the pabulum served up, no doubt under duress, by Frontline.
Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, the publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in inner-city Washington, DC. He was an Army infantry/intelligence officer in the early sixties, then a CIA analyst for 27 years. He now serves on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).
This article originally appeared on Consortiumnews.com.
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Show AllThose who would take over the earth
And shape it to their will
Never, I notice, succeed.
The earth is like a vessel so sacred
That at the mere approach of the profane
It is marred
And when they reach out their fingers it is gone.
For a time in the world some force themselves ahead
And some are left behind,
For a time in the world some make a great noise
And some are held silent,
For a time in the world some are puffed fat
And some are kept hungry,
For a time in the world some push aboard
And some are tipped out:
At no time in the world will a man who is sane
Over-reach himself,
Over-spend himself,
Over-rate himself.
LaoTzu #29 600 BC
OK, now we must count on those who are sane.
For a time in the world a few crazies get out of their box and we can only hope that sane, courageous men and women prevail.
If Frontline investigated the fraud in the 9-11 investigation and told that story; I'll forgive them!
kent shaw:
Nope, it doesn't make their msg. any less important. I happen to like what both are bloggin and speaking out on, albeit without the hero hyperbole. I certainly like them better than Bomb bomb Iran McCain, Killary Clinton (hot air campaign), or the "Riding On MLK's coattails" Obama.
Attaching the word `hero' to a candidate (ex: Guilliani, `hero' of 9/11, or Ron Paul savior of the american way of life, et al.) and anyone else in the public arena only serves to sidetrack the public by fostering images over substance.
RE: There was nothing new in "Bush's War" because the documentary was edited together using footage from previous Frontline Iraq War documentaries. Anyone who regularly watches Frontline has already seen the interviews featured on "Bush's War."
So it was more of a "best of" special? Certainly there is some repeat in all specials on the war in Iraq because the all use some of the same material (though hopefully in a new way).
Did anyone see The National the night before last - all those severely injured Iraqi children! And the one who did not make it despite the fact he was bandaged up.
RE: Anyone who forks their hard earned dough over to PBS or NPR is a sucker. Instead, write to your Congressperson and demand that the US be given a public broadcasting network such as exists in Great Britain and Canada.
Don't fool yourself - there are those in Canada who figure that PBS would be a good model for the CBC.
On the topic of the CBC, the CBC has just purchased a documentary channel for those who have digital (which I don't). If you can suffer through repeats of Canada: A People's History (which has a surprising amount of American history/content) and Hockey: A People's History - you will get your documentaries from all over the world and there will be a place to show them. This channel is going to be completely funded by commercials - and, if I am guessing right, will probably help fund projects shown on Newsworld and the main channel.
I just saw both parts of this frontline special, and it is terrible. All of the people being interviewed are right wing insiders, or corporate journalists. There are no interviews with opponents of either war, or Iraqis or Afghans (except for Bush stooges). There is no mention of Iraq's contract to sell oil to France and Russia, no mention of the Patriot act, no mention of the privatization of Iraq, the abusiveness of private mercenaries, the Saddam statue coming down is shown as a real event when it was a planned publicity stunt, I could go on forever. Worst of all it's made out that the only problem with the war is its mismanagement, as if we Bush always had the best of intentions, but just messed up. The word "OIL" is never even mentioned. Frontline has become truly pathetic.
Ray McGovern's anger is misplaced or displaced.
Frontline isn't talking to you, Ray. It's talking
to the slowly awakening mass of people who haven't
thought about it yet. Of course Frontline isn't
as angry as you are about it.
Here's a rundown of the fiasco-related
Frontlines:
Gunning for Saddam (November 8, 2001)
The War Behind Closed Doors (February 20, 2003)
The Long Road to War: A FRONTLINE Special Report (March 17, 2003)
Truth, War, and Consequences (October 9, 2003)
Chasing Saddam's Weapons (January 22, 2004)
Beyond Baghdad (February 12, 2004)
The Invasion of Iraq (February 26, 2004)
Rumsfeld's War (October 26, 2004)
A Company of Soldiers (February 22, 2005)
The Soldier's Heart (March 1, 2005)
Private Warriors (June 21, 2005)
The Torture Question (October 18, 2005)
The Insurgency (February 21, 2006)
The Lost Year in Iraq (October 17, 2006)
Gangs of Iraq (April 17, 2007)
Endgame (June 19, 2007)
Rules of Engagement (February 19, 2008)
I saw the PBS report in bits because someone else in my house was watching it. I could not bear to linger.
Generally when you see a rehash of old news about a lot of powerful old (mostly) males and hear a resonant deep white male narrative voice dripping with gravitas in the background, you can bet the report will be weak and too late to change anything. The show would have been greatly improved if PBS had inserted clips of media coverage, including its own.
(But I am happy that some people on this thread found out about some details that were new and useful to them. Maybe it had some use for the public beyond CD frequenters.)
Next time I want to see the following:
1. A different time frame: Include coverage of what is happening now and what is about to happen before it is too late.
2. A different voice: Perhaps the unscripted commentary of an African-American college student, a veteran or an Iraqi who was on the receiving end of the war instead of the mellotones. Sometimes the narrative voice should be in the first person like "I can't believe this shit".
Frontline is PBS' "cover" for innundating their network with such public-minded programming as:
-- Cary Grant movies;
-- Mario Lanza specials;
-- antique shows;
-- washed-up rock & roll acts;
-- specials on hot dog stands, drive in movies, and the history of game shows;
-- Suzy Orman;
-- John McLaughlin et al "debating" like junior high schoolers;
-- a moving profile of that great American entertainer, 1970s daytime talks show host -- are you ready for this one? -- Mike Douglas. (That one actually made me gag violently; paramedic *were* summoned).
PBS' charter, way back when, I believe it was in 1967, specifically stated that they would air programming not found on commercial television. Ha!
PBS and NPR are a joke. FAIR showed a couple of years ago how biased they are in their news coverage -- pro-corporation, pro status quo, pro-military and pro-imperialist.
I recall back in the late 1980s the NPR Chicago radio affiliate WBEZ was doing a fund raiser, and the on-air personalities were told not to refer to the station as "public-supported." Why? Because it seems their marketing department had told them that the very word "public" was held in low regard by
-- you guessed it -- the public!
Instead the on-air fundraisers were told: Refer to the station as "viewer"-supported.
Anyone who forks their hard earned dough over to PBS or NPR is a sucker. Instead, write to your Congressperson and demand that the US be given a public broadcasting network such as exists in Great Britain and Canada.
NPR and PBS reminds me of what Marx said when he talked about crumbs of bread falling (trickling down) from the tables of the rich. That is to say, whatever "enlightenment" one gets from PBS and/or NPR is so infrequent, indeed so rare, that it's like crumbs of bread falling, ever so rarely, to those who hunger for more -- much more.
Shame on you, PBS and NPR. Shame on you.
heavyrunner --
Agree completely re the phony "Drug War" and CIA and corrupt government involvement in it from the beginning of time, I'd say....
This also, of course, corrupts police enforcement and our policies all over the world.
I hope everyone who agrees with this is supporting one of the organizations trying to LEGALIZE marijuana.
Also -- re 9/11 --- agree . . . INSIDE JOB --
Why did Bush and the neocons invade Iraq in 2003?
Read the following abstract from Jane's intelligence Digest:
http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr030416_1_n.shtml
"Oil from Iraq : An Israeli pipedream?"
"Israel stands to benefit greatly from the US led war on Iraq, primarily by getting rid of an implacable foe in President Saddam Hussein and the threat from the weapons of mass destruction he was alleged to possess. But it seems the Israelis have other things in mind.
An intriguing pointer to one potentially significant benefit was a report by Haaretz on 31 March that minister for national infrastructures Joseph Paritzky was considering the possibility of reopening the long-defunct oil pipeline from Mosul to the Mediterranean port of Haifa. With Israel lacking energy resources of its own and depending on highly expensive oil from Russia, reopening the pipeline would transform its economy.
To resume supplies from Mosul to Haifa would require the approval of whatever Iraqi government emerges and presumably the Jordanian government, through whose territory it would be likely to run. Paritzky's ministry was reported to have said on 9 April that it would hold discussions with Jordanian authorities on resuming oil supplies from Mosul, with one source saying the Jordanians were "optimistic". Jordan, aware of the deep political sensitivities involved, immediately denied there were any such talks.
Paritzky said he was certain the USA would respond favourably to the idea of resurrecting the pipeline. Indeed, according to Western diplomatic sources in the region, the USA has discussed this with Iraqi opposition groups.
It is understood from diplomatic sources that the Bush administration has said it will not support lifting UN sanctions on Iraq unless Saddam's successors agree to supply Israel with oil.
All of this lends weight to the theory that Bush's war is part of a masterplan to reshape the Middle East to serve Israel's interests. Haaretz quoted Paritzky as saying that the pipeline project is economically justifiable because it would dramatically reduce Israel's energy bill.
US efforts to get Iraqi oil to Israel are not surprising. Under a 1975 Memorandum of Understanding (MoU), the US guaranteed all Israel's oil needs in the event of a crisis. The MoU, which has been quietly renewed every five years, also committed the USA to construct and stock a supplementary strategic reserve for Israel, equivalent to some US$3bn in 2002. Special legislation was enacted to exempt Israel from restrictions on oil exports from the USA.
Moreover, the USA agreed to divert oil from its home market, even if that entailed domestic shortages, and guaranteed delivery of the promised oil in its own tankers if commercial shippers were unwilling or not available to carry the crude to Israel. All of this adds up to a potentially massive financial commitment.
The USA has another reason for supporting Paritzky's project: a land route for Iraqi oil direct to the Mediterranean would lessen US dependence on Gulf oil supplies. Direct access to the world's second-largest oil reserves (with the possibility of expansion through so-far untapped deposits) is an important strategic objective."
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I really enjoyed this Frontline program. I thought it was an excellent overview, and it provided me with insights that I had never heard before. Bitching about Frontline is like bitching about Bob Dylan: they are both doing good work despite your expectations.
Hetware
That is an interesting site and I don't know why it would be censored. See if it stays on the thread this time.
Hetware - In addition to admitting to being a Republican, do you also admit to being a Zionist? What about a neocon?
Regardless of whether the Frontline piece was worthwhile, the fact remains that those of us who continue to pay income taxes, including me, support the Afghanistan and Iraqi war efforts.
Well, that is probably not very accurate. The government gets its funding from fiat money.
Regardless of whether the Frontline piece was worthwhile, the fact remains that those of us who continue to pay income taxes, including me, support the Afghanistan and Iraqi war efforts. We may not like what is happening. I surely do not. But, nevertheless, we still support these illegal wars as long as we pay taxes. Its time for a taxpayer revolt. I wish I had a clue as to how to organize it.
-- Kent Shaw
conscience March 27th, 2008 12:47 pm
"Wake up, America —
And — why Bill Moyers?
This isn't someone who has succeeded in decades in getting anyone up off their courches."
What I do instead of focusing on others are not speaking the essential Truth is to do what they are not doing. Why don't you join me?
9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!
Frank -- There's even better film on Condi and Powell together saying that there were no enemies left --- we'd have to invent some!
QUOTE --
frank1569 March 26th, 2008 1:07 pm
Frontline failed to mention this:
February 24 2001, Powell said: "He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours."
And this:
April, 2001: Condoleezza Rice: "Saddam does not control the northern part of the country," she said. "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."
Every lying neocrazy warmonger whom Frontline treated with deference and respect should have be asked: how did SH go from weak and defenseless to the world's most dangerous mushroom cloud maker in just seven months?
Truly the most pathetic and disheartening piece Frontline's ever done.
DiabloRojo: " ... before Ray McGovern joined the honesty crowd, he was an integral part of the dishonest for-living-gang who spent years toiling SPOOK vinyard preparing all that propaganda and hype baloney; Cindy Sheehan, until her son died in Iraq, didn't know squat about this whole enchilada."
For the sake of discussion let's say you are correct. Does that invalidate their current positions?
-- kent shaw
NPR, naturally, was also water-boarded as PBS was . . . .
long ago!
Meanwhile, thanks for alternate news sites --
C-span, of course, has also been turned from its once upon a time success in exciting coverage of events in timely fashion to being at times a soapbox for the military --
Remember, C-span is supported by private corporations,
though it's original mission remains to cover the Senate and House and Hearings.
Meanwhile, here in NJ, Comcast has removed the US Senate from our regular line up, taking it to a higher tier because it seemed urgent to them that it must be broadcast in "high definition" --- !!! We can, of course, pay more to see it --- or watch it on the internet.
Conscience
Interesting points: Public Broadcasting has become corporate broadcasting. When you work in corporations the last thing they want to hear is the truth.
I'll be back to read all of what Ray McGovern has to say here . . . yet, how could anyone possibly not have noticed that decades ago PBS was turned from it's original purposes -- and for decades has been called "Petroleum Broadcasting System."
The right-wing Congress bent PBS out of shape long ago with the Corporation for Public Broadcasting -- a private corporation which worked its magic on PBS, for one.
The beg-a-thons were based on myth of public support, rather than our moving on to licensing our news via a truly "free press" we would all sponsor directly.
Wake up, America ---
And --- why Bill Moyers?
This isn't someone who has succeeded in decades in getting anyone up off their courches.
Rockerbabe1 March 27th, 2008 11:29 amFrontline is and never was about shrill opinions, hyped speculation, wanton disregard for the facts or science, name-calling
I'm not sure what exactly you are talking about since you have not addressed any specifics. Do you care to say something substantive in order to demonstrate you thesis?
For the record, I'm a Republican.
I enjoyed "Bush's War". I was not surprised by some of the conclusions, so much as the tone of the reveal. It was sober, enlightening or validating if you wish. All this outcry about what is wasn't is nonsense. I think so many of you "progressives" just want all this nonsense opinionating because it is done daily on the right. . .Frontline is and never was about shrill opinions, hyped speculation, wanton disregard for the facts or science, name-calling, the easy way out or 3rd rate gotcha journalism. I always find new insights in their programming and as I detest the Bushies, this was just a reminder of what we know and don't know in a sane, sober, calm and organized manner. Good work NPR; bring on installment 2 (I bet that will be some reality show!)
Coyotita March 27th, 2008 9:51 am"Yes, it was too little, too late. And where were the ties to the money grubbing elites who have gotten as fat as a tic on a nudist camp outing?
In this thread:
Hetware March 27th, 2008 7:03 am
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Yes, it was too little, too late. And where were the ties to the money grubbing elites who have gotten as fat as a tic on a nudist camp outing?
Segment 11
Usama bin Laden repeatedly denied involvement in the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks. This crucial fact is completely omitted from FRONTLINE's disinfotainment piece. For those who say that I am merely speculating about this, I ask why it has never even been pursued by the MSM? There are thousands, if not millions of intelligent and educated Americans who do not believe (or seriously doubt) that UBL was involved in the attacks. Why are our views completely excluded from the MSM?
On the topic of rendition: CIA 'rendition' plane crashes with a 4 ton cocaine cargo. Was/is Gitmo used as a staging point for drug running? Remember how Wally Hilliard the owner of Huffman Aviation (where alleged terrorist ringleader Atta trained) had his Lear Jet seized with 43 lbs of heroin on board just a few weeks after Atta arrived? Recall also that the biggest export from Afghanistan is Opium.
Oh! And the FRONTLINE program never mentioned that Cheney implemented Continuity of Government measures on 9/11. But don't worry, it's just Rex 84 kind of stuff.
[Frontline] masquerades as a hard hitting independent news source. My own suspicion is they are compromised. Obfuscation and strawman. They have done a few good peices, but like a musician, your only as good as your last song.
scgold March 27th, 2008 8:32 am "I also learned and I peruse this site almost daily and have been impressed with Ray's knowledge and concern but it had not sunk in the way that the completeness of Frontline's two night's did. Snub all you want but let the rest of the peon's be brought up to date"
Dirty Laundry
I make my living off the Evening News
Just give me something-something I can use
People love it when you lose,
They love dirty laundry
Well, I could o' been an actor, but I wound up here
I just have to look good, I don't have to be clear
Come and whisper in my ear
Give us dirty laundry
...
You don't really need to find out what's going on
You don't really want to know just how far it's gone
Just leave well enough alone
Eat your dirty laundry
...
We can do "The Innuendo"
We can dance and sing
When it's said and done we haven't told you a thing
We all know that Crap is King
Give us dirty laundry!
Juliann March 26th, 2008 11:39 am
Just wait one minute there, Ray and Cindy: Not all of us are immersed 24/7 in news, let alone the Iraq War. For me this 2 night program was an eye opener - I did NOT know much of what was revealed. If for you it was preaching to the choir - fine. Move forward. For me and millions of others who I HOPE were watching - it was a bigger wake-up call than I had had before.
Thanks, Frontline.
I applaud Julian, the third and I think only one of two writers admitting to havng learned from the Frontline presentation Bush's War. I also learned and I peruse this site almost daily and have been impressed with Ray's knowledge and concern but it had not sunk in the way that the completeness of Frontline's two night's did. Snub all you want but let the rest of the peon's be brought up to date:
Do you know about the top Rumsfeld adviser, now the man in charge of Hilary Clinton's campaign in the Gay and Lesbian community, who was a key player in the run-up to the Iraq war (per his bio on the WJC website), and that this man Stephen E. Herbits, helped put Lewis Paul Bremer III in Iraq after his first suggestion of Wolfowitz was rejected?
RALPH 442: Right on!
PURVIS: Good satire... Send Dr. Phil, by all means... the authoritarians would love that.
Anybody watching PBS hoping for an antiwar point of view from frontline is wishing for what will never be. No offense to McGovern...but just who does he think funds PBS. I disagree with his opinion about the show though. Frontline did its best to present the timeline and let the players involved tell their stories. That is what made it good. The show was not an editorial. It tried to get around Bush's secrecy by letting ex-members of the establishment tell their story. It was excellent reporting. Too late to do anything useful...but it has been hard to do these types of stories since Bush does not let his people talk. Ex-memebers have nothing to lose by talking though. John Yoo was great. He had no problem talking about what he did! He was proud of it! That is why people should watch it. The man is a total monster but he is not ashamed of it! This helped shatter the secrecy.
I can have at least some sympathy for Powell. I think in a way he got sucked in. I think he might have thought he could have some influence on Bush's decisions. He was battling Cheney and Rumsfeld at a disadvantage...but he did manage to get the brakes put on a couple of times. The French totally screwed him at the worst possible time...assuming all this is true the French administration at the time must have had some people sympathetic to Cheney and Rumsfeld. I think they set Powell up to lose faith to Bush. It was all a little to perfect for Cheney. Powell should have resigned in disgrace though. After it became clear there was no WMD. I mean my God...that presentation.
We get Bremer(CPA), Garner(CPA), Franks and Delong (Army), Armitage and Wilkerson(Powell), Yoo(justice), Zelikow (Rice), Jack Keane (Pentagon...closest thing we get to Cheney and Rumsfeld views)
I remember being confused by a quote earlier from Rumsfeld....something like you think you have to tell me about Vietnam...We are going to go in. Overthrow Saddam and get out. Frontline's story gives it some credence. Can it be that they just got sucked in by the consequences of bad management decisions? De-Bathification, disbanding the military, Not having a plan for who to hand power to!!!! Wow was that stupid! Actually they did have a plan...They landed Chalabi with his 700 troops, He gave a bunch of speeches in the South that attracted a bunch of attention but no followers and no support. And then they were seriously frigging screwed because Rumsfeld and Cheney told the state department to go F$%k themselves.
Amazing though...did you see Chalabi? The Iraqis were going to go from strongman Saddam to an effeminate con-man in Chalabi? Did you witness Chalabi's mannerisms? He looked gay!!! Are you friggin serious? This was their plan!!!!
Frank and all his underlings retiring!!! That was interesting. Those guys knew just when to get out! It was clear to me that they saw exactly how this war was going to go...they were no dummies.
Rice is a useless...she does nothing but stroke Bush's ego.
Ray doesn't understand that it isn't meant to be an anti war speech. It is meant to break some of Bush's secrecy. In that they did as good as they can. In 10 more years we might be able to get the complete picture.
I am confident that there are illegal drug dealers in high placed in the US system. I believe that understanding the illicit drug trade is essential to understanding the bigger picture. It is probably far more central to what's going on in Afghanistan than the MSM will ever report. Nonetheless, for a more important immediate factor in the Iraq war have a look at JINSA.
http://www.politicalfriendster.com/mostRecentAdditions.php
Uzi Arad
Who is screwing with my comments?
All of what I say is sourced. Mostly coming from the official declarations of the people and organizations I am discussing. Shall I conclude that I am over the target and am therefore catching flack?
Add me to the list of disappointed viewers of this Frontline piece. No mention of PNAC or of Israel or of any other motivations other than that of pathological power-grabbing and "he said, she said" blaming. Also, much of this piece was cobbled together from others.
Very disappointing and rather gutless.
You have to wonder if Mark McKinnon, Bush's other top media adviser, worked on this distillation of the truth. Mcat, as Bush calls him, is now at Harvard and working with McCain, but back in the eighties he was the editor of the Texan, and a connected cocaine dealer in Austin. In fact, he was busted with friend Greg Galloway, brother of Randy Galloway who has been a columnist for The Dallas Morning News and a radio host for News/Talk 820 WBAP. They found 2 kilos of coke in the house, but, for some reason, McKinnon was never charged. Greg died in the nineties, and McKinnon eulogized the convicted coke dealer who did time in prison, while McKinnon went on to work in the White House.
Who was Sergei Nilus?
NPR is starting to get on my nerves too. Since the threat to their funding is perennial they are cautious, timid, and intimidated. The pleading tone of many of their stories as they interview their "official sources" and the devil's advocate questioning of progressive interviewees (provided they have any)really shows the peril that corporate media have put the country in. Go to FAIR.ORG for the best analysis of all this, and listen to Counterspin online since you won't hear it on your Public Radio station.
Next up on PBS it will be Mr. Motivation, Wayne Dyer, straight from downtown Baghdad, exhorting the lazy, quarrelsome Iraqis to pull themselves up by their own sandal straps. How Frontline could air a show about the war in Iraq that dwells incessantly on bureaucratic pissing contests without mentioning the word oil a single time is beyond me.
endCapitalism March 26th, 2008 7:14 pm
In typical bourgeois fashion, the show focused on the individuals rather than the underlying motives - ie. US imperialism.
Irving Kristol key founder of the neoconservative movement admits Marxist roots.
Juliann March 26th, 2008 7:45 pm
I have read enough CD blogs … including this one … and I really believe that if all of you people (excluding Cindy Sheehan) were together in a room and told to put together a PBS documentary or SOMETHING - 2/3rds of you would be whining about what you THINK should be done, and the other third would have moved on to something else.
Talk is not action.
Get off the computer and MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Wait. That means me too.
Peace - out!
Knowledge is power.
I am not telling you what I think Frontline should have done. I am doing what Frontline didn't do. I am saying what needs saying - to the extent that such is permissible on CD.
Before you tell me to "Get off the computer and MAKE A DIFFERENCE", why don't you tell me - and the rest of us - whether the factual assertions I have made are accurate. And if they are not accurate, how they are in error.
I've told you that the war is being waged based on fallacies built upon the fraudulent pretext that 9/11 was the work of 19 Islamic zealots controlled by a man hiding in a cave in the Golden Crescent.
I am telling you that 9/11 Truth is the way to end this madness!. The same globalist forces behind the censorship of the MSM are the forces behind 9/11, and a whole, whole, whole lot more. If you expose 9/11 as a fraud, two things will happen. The foundations of the War of Terror will crumble. People will be awake to the idea that they are susceptible to what, in Mein Kampf, Hitler called "The Big Lie".
Indeed, if you look closely, the neo-conservatives have firm roots in fascist ideology and methodology.
The only ppl on this forum who make sense are Tantrum and JustPlainJack.
The rest of you are engaged in armchair oneupmanship by trying to convince each other of your astutenness of the TRUTH.
Sorry to burst the hero bubbles here, but before Ray McGovern joined the honesty crowd, he was an integral part of the dishonest for-living-gang who spent years toiling SPOOK vinyard preparing all that propaganda and hype baloney; Cindy Sheehan, until her son died in Iraq, didn't know squat about this whole enchilada.
Ralph Nader (remember him?) back in the very early 1970s, was presciently trying to alert the Adumbrated Americans-Addicted-to- Capitalism about multinational corporations pursuit for ultimate power and the perpetuation of eternal-wars-for-profit which would eventually bankrupt and effectively destroy the US economy! Unfortunately for Ralph, he didn't candycoat his messages with parables like the backstabbing progressive pop idols of the Left Movement.
See "WAR MADE EASY" featuring Norman Solomon for a very good analysis and critique of the main-stream media's role in the propaganda for this war.
Tantrum March 26th, 2008 1:30 pm
You guys
Love to score political points, But don't give shit about a million Iraqi kids who have lost their fathers and millions more who have lost every chance for any kind of education or real life progress. Brown skin fucks, do we actually care at all? Nah! but lets hate Cheney and Bush, cos thats fun!
C'mon. Give us more credit than THAT! We don't hate cheney and bush because it's "fun". Jeez! We hate them because they ARE responsible for the millions who are suffering in Iraq, (and many other places.) We hate them because they are responsible for all the deaths of U.S. troops, and the horrible maiming of U.S. troops! We hate them because they, and their PNAC co-conspirators are destroying the last vestiges of our democracy, and the last vestiges of our image in this world. We hate them because virtually every time they open their mouthes to this country, they tell us another stinking lie! We don't hate them 'cause it's "FUN"..or because we like to "score points"! The only ones who might see it that way, are those who are stupid enough to keep score!...if you catch my meaning, if you get my drift. There's not one friggin' thing about this that is "FUN". We hate them because THEY hate us...THEY hate all the insignificant little people, (from their perspective), who get in the way of their lofty, psychotic, highly profitable agenda!
Cindy,
Good to see you in here:)
And thanks, Ray, for putting it all together.
Folks, the con is on in sillyConValley(); Bruce Schneier of Wired has put together a whole bunch of great "security" analyses that pretty expose another huge scam: the whole electronic surveillance thingy. Get this: it does not work. In other words, it really has nothing to do with anything because mathematically it does not determine anything about anybody. It tells us more about Homeland Security than it tells Homeland Security about us.
Check out "Why Spy?" at www.sillyConValley.net
Rob Argento
I agree. It left out a lot of important information like the meeting with the Saudi Royal family and Bin ladens before 9-11. The neocon's plan to seize control of Iraq's oil fields and the privatization of everything in general and the corruption of Haliburton and Cheney's ties to it. No mention of Scott Ritter trying to tell us there were no WMDS in the first place. Instead it portrayed these war criminals as lacking the right judgement and making the wrong decisions rather than the illegality of the war.
I have no sympathy for those who rationalize and knuckle under to careerism. I had the choice and lost one career and a good government job because I stood up to them. I paid a heavy price made heavier by those who took the easy road. Bush and Cheney would not be destroying this Country if more people has stood up, but they did not and are not. We got what we deserved. The burden of this war and it's crushing moral failures rest squarely on the shoulders of those who remained seated when it was time to stand up. Live with your war, you earned it.
Let me guess..
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I felt this Frontline series was too similar to Charles Ferguson's "No End in Sight" documentary, which was out last summer.
Yes, I watched the whole 5.5 hour enchilada and came away with the same heartburn that Ray and others experienced. Where was that 'purple little pill' when I really needed it; or maybe some orange sunshine!
In total, it did almost seem to be an apologist piece for 'what me worry Georgie' who was portrayed as isolated victim of the twin D's (Dick and Donald).
Not much said about the historic dream of the Neo-Cons to control (and I mean absolute control) Iraq for it's oil, water, and as a giant experiment of having a country to practice their antigovernment privatization (piratezation) on. This was to be the tablia Rosa state (clean slate) where every connected crony would get his own little privatized piece of Iraq to
profit as he willed. Nothing public to share with the greater society, no unions, no messy regulations or controls, no socialized medicine, no social security or anything that limited their pornographic greed itch. Just dominant army and police force (privatized of course - think blackwater) to keep the 'jealous' masses in line.
Certainly 'mission accomplished' was realized by the success from day one of building the enduring bases and giant permanent embassy. The 15 square mile Balad Air force base is already the second largest in the world (only behind Heathrow in England) with over five hundred fights a day. The place is still swarming with almost as many private contractors and militia (140,000) as there are military troops.
In short Iraq was like a huge fat (oil rich) aging cow on the Serengitti with the U.S. (neo-cons) acting as the drooling, desirerous, super predator waiting to ponce. Who says they don't believe in scientific Darwinism when they are so keen to exercise their blue-blooded survival of the fittest
money making mentality?
Wake up Americans, and a lot of duped Canadians. The USA started down this path way back in November 2000 when you all collectively allowed Baker and Cheney (W is just not that bright)to steal the election with the complicity of the Supreme Court. Why weren't you people out in the streets demanding a proper recount? i geuss the old addage applies-If you haven't suffered enough it's your god given right to suffer more.
This has been censored in the past: http://www.wtc7.net
I have never had anything censored on CD, I wonder if there is a technical problem.
The oil is about military preparations. The main targets are US people, who hold knowledge of the machines of war.
Ray McGovern and Cindy Sheehand in this miss the whole point. Scapegoatism. BUSHES WAR!?!? Where's congress in this? Where's impeachment? Where is, biggest of all, WAR PROFITEERING?!?!?
Shame on all of the above.
Thank you Ray. When Exxon and Walmart started funding PBS, they should have changed the name to Corporate Broadcasting System. We need to be out confronting our Congress people, Administration members, and their aids. Donald Rumsfeld disappeared shortly after being confronted in public by Ray. When Ray brought the actions of AIPAC out in a public forum,the hypocrisy of Dems chair Howard Dean was exposed. We need to all follow Ray's example.
To those who found the Frontline piece illuminating I am delighted for your newfound knowledge. However, would you not have preferred to have the entire story, the bigger picture, to have included those elements so eloquently discussed by Ray McGovern? It could have been better ... much much better.
It would be lovely if CD would apply a true dash -- NOT a hyphen -- where appropriate. Easier reading, really!
Our media here in the U.S as always been a tool of the government, this is nothing new. For those of you who are unaware of this, google operation "MOCKINGBIRD".
Thank you Mr.McGovern for your service to this country and for continuing to bring truth to the light.
"In times of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act".- George Orwell
and as usual the emailers here do not see the israel connection. the neocons who are israelfirsters wanted iraq destroyed for their security and the oilmen wanted iraq destroyed for oil, and both groups want permanent occupation. and the press that is run by israelfirsters deosn't want to give out this information. and voila, iraq, mission accomplished after all.
Hetware March 27th, 2008 4:36 pm
This should answer your questions: Censored on Common Dreams. AAMOF, reading my comments above should make my position regarding the neocons and Zionism blatantly clear.
It was a simple question, and I have no idea where this goes, nor do I care. I will reason you are an agent for Israel as I suspected.
Video of the surge from Baghdad and USA tax dollars at work in the first of a series:
Baghdad: City of walls
Iraqi journalsit, Ghaith Abdul-Ahad's documents the fifth anniversary of the Iraq war by traveling through the heart of Baghdad;
Which is an open air prison that divides Sunni and Shia populations behind 12ft high walls and "the surge has left the city more divided and desperate than ever"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2008/mar/17/baghdad.city.of.walls
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http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Many informed, intelligent posts. KUDOS to: KENT SHAW, LWHUNT330, & TODD BOYLE, among many.
Wasn't that the 2nd time Frontline showed Bush's War? I thought it was rather boring. The Bush administration and their accomplices looked like a bunch of evil, thin-lipped, mean-faced, self-important, old little boys who were thrilled with their power and excited that they were going to have Iraq invaded -- and people killed.
I have read enough CD blogs ... including this one ... and I really believe that if all of you people (excluding Cindy Sheehan) were together in a room and told to put together a PBS documentary or SOMETHING - 2/3rds of you would be whining about what you THINK should be done, and the other third would have moved on to something else.
Talk is not action.
Get off the computer and MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Wait. That means me too.
Peace - out!
In typical bourgeois fashion, the show focused on the individuals rather than the underlying motives - ie. US imperialism. It left the viewer with the idea that the war was somehow mismanaged, as opposed to what should be said about this war - which is that it is illegal from the get-go and perpetuated to extend US hegemony on the world. Although it's somewhat interesting to hear the players, in their own words, describe their interactions as events unfolded, it doesn't make the viewer any wiser about how we're going to change this fuking world and stop these insane wars in the future.
liveandlearn March 26th, 2008 5:25 pm:Hetware:
Are you even listening to yourself? Expecting PBS to air material that a progressive site like CD won't even allow you to post makes you sound like you're sniffing glue or something.
"Progressive"? I'm not sure how that is going to factor in. There are certainly traditional conservative sites where my views are permitted. Strangely, neo-conservatism doesn't seem to have much of a popular base nor online presence. I don't know that "expecting" is the best word to describe what I am intending regarding PBS and the rest of the media's complete lack of spine. I really don't expect the press to adhere to their part in the social contract, but I do demand it.
I'm plenty skeptical about 9/11, as I've mentioned twice now, but it still won't somehow sink in for you. However, you obviously expected this Frontline piece to be all about 9/11 instead of what it was about which was the whole timeline of events.
The first several segments of the program do hinge on 9/11 in one way or another. The fact that the US was already preparing the invasion well before 9/11 is material to both 9/11 and to the invasion of Afghanistan. I am not exclusively focusing on 9/11, but it's pretty hard (for me) to ignore in the context of a "War on Terror" spawned by the attacks.
Anyone who expects PBS to air controversial material fails to understand what drives their programming.
Too many here expect too much from a channel that had it's budget slashed, is donor dependant, has had their management politicized, and are not even on cable TV. Time to smell the reality roses people!
I quit watching TV in my own home 30 years ago.
Segment 6 Bush says that Saddam gassed his own people. That was something I had away believed until I saw the video clip of retired Army War College professor and ex-CIA analyst Stephen Pelletiere saying that Saddam did not have the type of chemical weapons used, and that the people who had been gassed were caught in the crossfire of a battle between Iranian and Iraqi troops. They were, in fact, killed by Iranian chemical weapons.
Thanks For The Memories, Saddam.
U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie gave Saddam what amounted to a green-light to invade Kuwait. Once that was done the US turned on him.
Mohamed Atta was a happy go lucky drug-runner working for the BFEE/CIA. See, for example the connections to Huffman Aviation. All of this is, BTW, sourced. The reason this is SO important is that it completely obliterates any notion that it even matters if Saddam had ties to "al Qaeda".
Segment 7:
No mention of Feith's ties to radical Zionism and to AIPAC espionage cases. Also no mention of Perle, Feith and Wurmser's roles in crafting A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm [AKA Israel] I again mention the lack of attention paid to Stephen E. Herbits who has unseemly ties to both the war on Iraq and to Israel.
Segment 8:
So now we have prisoners who were handed over to US forces by men who were payed a bounty for rounding up "al Qaeda" members. "al Qaeda" had nothing to do with 9/11, and this disgraceful episode has brought shame upon the United States of America and is in absolute contradiction to the values of my ancestors who created this nation.
Weak as this show was, there is still ample evidence that Dick Cheney is impeachable.
He certainly looks like the Iago in this dismal scenario.
Any serious journalism regarding the Iraq and Afghanistan wars has to start with a skeptical analysis of the events of 9/11 2001 and the official explanation of them. Richard Gage, the architect and steel reinforced building designer from San Francisco who has done such an excellent analysis of the collapse of the buildings in New York should surely have been interviewed. There are literally dozens of troubling contradictions in the official story that mean it is impossible.
So what really happened and who really was responsible? Those are the first questions that must be asked because 9/11 became the cornerstone of the disastrous policies that followed.
I don't believe that it is an accident that opium production soared in Afghanistan after the U.S. took over. The C.I.A. has been implicated in running drugs since the 1950s.
But who did 9/11 is the most important question to ask when analyzing our recent history.
I am on our county's Democratic Party central committee. When one of the members mentioned the Frontline broadcast I asked if they went into the background of 9/11 and tried to show who was responsible. When she said, "No they didn't" I knew the program was not worth watching.
late to the thread as usual.
Thanks for the article and posts. I did not see the show. I do not own a tv.
There were a lot of causes for the invasion of Iraq. There were a lot of (insert your favorite scatological adjective) people who thought that smashing Iraq would get them what they wanted. They all got together and when there were enough of them they had their war.
(In no particular order) oil, bases, Israel, glory, profit, heaven. I've probably only left out a few dozen.
The 'Frontline' show sounds disappointing. A democracy cannot exist without a well-informed citizenry.
This was another turn of the screw, which shapes and restates the Iraq war by small steps. Frontline is the flagship producer on PBS, defining reality the way the establishment wants it to be framed. The program is basically state propaganda.
I found the program very problematic for many reasons. All of the framing of the
war as "War on Terror" is left standing--it's even reinforced! Not a
mention of the real causes of war: the media complex, the oil industry, the
military industrial complex, the religious right, the financial industries.
Oh heck no -- theh whole war was caused by Chalabi, Cheney, Wolfowitz and
Feith. Gimme a break.
PBS, NPR and the CPB need to be terminated, and the money and resources used
to fund public access channels that can be locally controlled.
And all of the people on this video are all right wing militarists. Where is Noam
Chomsky? Norman Solomon? Dennis Kucinich? Daniel Ellsberg? Our peace groups have watched
100 documentaries more useful than this.
Basically you end up thinking, only these rightwingers and statists are real, experienced, substantial... and qualified to run the military establishment. Nothing could be further from the truth. ALL these bozos are very problematic and
Washington needs a good housecleaning to put all of them out to pasture.
How sickening to hear them saying "we". There are the oligarchs
who Frontline serves, and the other 99.9% of America. Us versus them.
Why is Frontline rehabilitating George Tenet, Colin Powell... what is this about??
Leaving that aside, the narrative was chock full of the wrong framing, reinforcing a web of
lies that tend to support the idea of a permanent military. These ideologies are not accepted by most spiritual leaders, philosophers or parents. History provides many examples of ideologies that have been promoted by politicians and rulers, whether in pursuit of power or control, or simple national security:
- that the nation is your supreme unit of affiliation (above your family, friends and community, and above humanity) (note: 96% of humanity lives outside the U.S.)
- that the inhabitants of other nations are different from our nation, and their well-being matters less than American well-being.
- that being a member of the Army or Marines is inherently noble and honorable.
- that the nation is under attack by terrorism (or communism, or whatever.)
- that surrendering unconditional obedience to a commander, or a president, is a virtue,
- that all contests are ultimately resolved by physical power, and all diplomacy, business contracts, and freedoms exist only at the pleasure of the world's militaries ("freedom isn't free")
- that nonviolent alternatives to war are ineffective
- that it is treasonous and disloyal to your society, to oppose wars or fail to "support the troops" after the government has declared a war.
- that the government is equal to your society.
- that the nation is something worth dying for -essentially an effort to substitute the state for family or tribal bonds, or place it within a frame of religious beliefs.
Todd
It's not just PBS but NPR that has gone news lite. The other day on Talk of the Nation there was a show commemorating the death of 4000 soldiers. A father who had lost a son called and started to rail against the Bush regime. Neil Conan kept trying to interrupt him and change the subject.
Fortunately we have sites like this as well as Pacifica, with Free Speech Radio and TV, Democracy Now, Counterspin, etc.
Hetware:
Are you even listening to yourself? Expecting PBS to air material that a progressive site like CD won't even allow you to post makes you sound like you're sniffing glue or something.
I'm plenty skeptical about 9/11, as I've mentioned twice now, but it still won't somehow sink in for you. However, you obviously expected this Frontline piece to be all about 9/11 instead of what it was about which was the whole timeline of events.
Anyone who expects PBS to air controversial material fails to understand what drives their programming.
Too many here expect too much from a channel that had it's budget slashed, is donor dependant, has had their management politicized, and are not even on cable TV. Time to smell the reality roses people!
I watched the whole, silly propaganda piece. Nothing was said as to the FACT that Bush (read: Cheney, neocons) WANTED this war, and used lies to justify their actions.
More importantly,a much larger piece of the puzzle is missing from this, and from ALL discussions of the Bush invasion of Iraq--EVERYTHING is going EXACTLY ACCORDING to PLAN!! That's the missing piece in this saga--this war is, in fact, driving Iraq back to the stone age. This is a good thing if you want to rewrite the boundaries of the nations in this area-- Instability must be spread throughout the whole of the middle east-have you read about the millions of Iraqi nationals being forced to flee to other Arab nations? And, it is critical that you blame outside players for this instability--let's start with Iran, for instance. It's called EXPANDING your horizons!!
Also, this war is KEEPING IRAQI OIL OFF THE MARKET--and driving international oil prices through the roof--just look a the Wall Street Journal to see the profits Exxon and the other pirates are taking from this oil war. Bush will leave office a much, much, MUCH richer man than he was than when he became pres-He's done a helluva job for his corporate masters. They'll set the boy up, but good.
There was a lot of good stuff in this program, and there is more detail online.
Program's great weakness was coverage of Sistani, of Sadr, and of Iraqi leaders.
Sadr was portrayed as "thug" and "murderer", rather than a sincere nationalist opposed to occupation of his home, a man who risked his life by staying in Iraq under Saddam, even after his family was murdered, while most shia leaders fled to Iran for many years. Sadr is also rare among shia leaders for his outreach and support of sunni brothers, in words and in deeds (as at Fallujah). Frontline completely ignored the fact that USA first banished Sadr's newspaper for telling the truth, then attempted to kidnap and murder him. Only then did Sadr defend himself in battle, which Bush and Frontline regard as Sadr's attack on USA.
Frontline completely failed to mention the importance of Sistani, how he worked with UN representative Sérgio Vieira de Mello and forced Bush/USA to hold elections; how he intervened in the USA's attack on Sadr forcing USA to back off; how he engineered the shia alliance which won the elections; how he still holds the ultimate trump card (massive resistance by all shia); how he still refuses to meet with any representative of the USA occupation.
Frontline was also seriously lacking in any description of the various shia factions/organizations, and their relationship to Iran. Bush (and more recently McCain) have conflated these shia groups for their political gain. In fact Sadr is the LEAST influenced/supported by Iran; whereas Dawa and Sciri (the leaders recognized, praised and supported by Bush and McCain) are the MOST influenced/supported by Iran.
The extensive interviews online are a treasurehouse of information, e.g., did you know that John Burns of NYT is an old buddy of Bush's? Perhaps this accounts for Burns continual search for rationality in Bush's madness:
"I've known him for a very long time, since he and I both were young men ... when the first President Bush was the head of the U.S. diplomatic mission in China, and the present President Bush came and spent a summer there. I was introduced to him by his parents, and we spent some time together. ..."
Burn's recitation that Sadr murdered another cleric is really misinformed/disinformed. In the first place, Sadr was not even present when this cleric was killed at a mosque - Sadr had left the building earlier. In the second place, this cleric was a USA stooge, chosen by Chalabi and Bush team and supported by Chalabi-Bush militia of 700 men (flown into Iraq by USA planes), and brought to the mosque by them in an attempt to take it over against the wishes of its existing leadership. No surprise that he was knifed when he refused to leave, but why blame Sadr?
I was so totally disgusted with this program that I wanted to barf after viewing it.
I forced my conservative husband to watch it, expecting it to bring some reality into his life.
Sadly I was disappointed.
The entire program was misleading. The title made one think that it was going to place the blame where it belonged, on BUSH!
Instead, it was an apologetic expose claiming that Bush had such bad information and direction that it wasn't his fault.
The final comment was oh so telling, claiming that since the surge attacks are down. Only attacks on American service personnel are down. February was the worst month in the last six months for Iraqis.
OH wait, I forgot, Iraqis don't count!!!
Disgusting pro Bush propaganda program.
liveandlearn March 26th, 2008 3:03 pm: However, for Frontline to spin off into conspiracy theory would have tainted everything they were trying to accomplish. If they were to highlight the conspiracies, then they step into the world of opinion and speculation, thus it is no longer journalism and it may as well be a letter to the editor.
Nonsense! If they were doing their jobs as journalists, they would be called every aspect of the attacks into question. I cannot link to the most relevant material because CD has blocked the sites. This should take you to one source: 9/11 Planes were Electronically Commandeered. There is nothing spectacularly speculative about this. I is simply an examination of the evidence and arriving at sound and reasonable conclusions.
But I'm not even asking for that much out of the sycophant media. I just want them to ask the relevant questions, and show the relevant information. This idea that we are "conspiracy buffs" is insulting and shows a serious lack of understanding on your part.
Ever see this on PBS THE SECRET WORLD OF MOHAMED ATTA? I've investigated a lot of this stuff to verify what I can about what Hopsicker reports, and he checks out just about every time. Any uncertainties have been insignificant to the bigger story.
Speaking of Hopsicker and the Frontline program. They talk about extraordinary rendition in segment 5. Have a look at the life and times of N987SA and N900SA, for starters.
Thanks, Ray. You're right: 2 nights of light weight stuff, posing as an important documentary. A real disappointment. Nothing any of us that were paying attention didn't already know. Watch Link & Free Speech TV for the real skinny on what's happening in the world!
And Unchained - to add to your punishment for George Bush, Dick Cheney, & all the other U.S. war criminals - their sentence should also be for them to be chained to a legless vet at Walter Reed Army Hospital & to have to wait on them for the rest of their earthly days.
I will confess, I did not watch the Frontline show. I will also confess that I am a former PBS employee.
With that said, the point I want to make is that with the evidence of lackluster programming and soft-hitting reporting that the time has come for us to finally ask if PBS has outlived it's usefulness.
One person calls PBS useless, another says this program was Discovery Channel approved, and still many others have voiced their disapproval over how Frontline handled, or rather dodged, the real story.
PBS was once known for their quality educational programming, their trustworthy news and their hard-hitting documentaries. Now, unfortunately, they have become rehashed, reheated and stale.
Frontline's mediocre approach to Bush's War is only one more example of a system that has grown old and tired, and afraid to take on the fight. The time has come to rethink how educational programming can be distributed, and to rethink the future of PBS.
BTW, just the title sounds like Democratic Party propganda. Maybe they are trying to suck up the Dem majority in Congress the way Frontline always tried to please Gingrich and pals.
Its not Bush's War. That's the Dem party line these days. Its all Bush's fault. Its all Cheney's fault. Their entire next campaign is just going to be an attempt to scare everyone about McCain.
So, was there no mention of how the Democrats supported this war? It couldn't have happened without them. 41 Senators could have filibustered and block the authorization of the war. At any point since, 41 Senators could have blocked the funding for the war. The Founders deliberately gave them this power for just such an occasion.
Did the show discuss the Dem party strategy at the time of the vote authorizing the war? I'm curious, because its still one of the most evil and disgusting things I've ever heard. The vote was in Oct 2002, just a few weeks before the 2002 mid-term elections. The strategy the Dem party leaders were following at the time was this. They were saying that Dems should vote for the war to 'get it off the table' for the mid-term elections. The strategy was that if they quickly approved the war, then they thought they could redirect the discussion back to more domestic issues and that they could pick up seats in the Congress that way.
So, it was all about an election strategy for the Dems to gain power. That's it. Think about that for a second. Think about 4000 dead American service people (probably more than that ... that's what the Pentagon admits too), think about a million or more dead Iraqis. Think of the Americans who've come home wounded or maimed or with psychological problems from what they've done and seen. Think about 4 million Iraqi refugees who've had to flee. Think about a country virtually destroyed and now splitering apart into more violence. Think about the billions of dollars that have been flat out stolen.
Think about all of that, and then remember the Dems were willing to stand up and approve all of that just for an election strategy.
Bush's war ... yeah right. Its as much the Democrats war as it is Bush's. The Dems have been on board every step of the way. The Dems could have stopped this at any point. Yet, we see the Dem party propaganda that tries to personalize all of this on Bush or Cheney. Not believing a word of it.
Segment 4:
What they don't show is the footage of the Taliban leader doing what the leader of any sovereign nation would do in an extradition case. He asked for evidence showing bin Laden's involvement in 9/11. (I believe the clip is in the latest Loose Change release.) None, of course, was forthcoming.
Thanks for this Ray McGovern. I saw in Berkeley at the KPFA event, Intellectuals Speak Out, and appreciated that you have participated in general in the most difficult areas to work to expose.
I was revolted by this program and can hardly stand to watch such things, knowing the full toll . . . I realized that the Iraqis must have less numbers, proportionally, in wounded than the US, since theirs would likely not survive, while ours do. I work in a VA med center. It would be impossible for the Iraqis to receive the kind of care the US participants did. So they are the biggest losers in all this. Both of us will lose our countries to the powerful few.
Follow the money. Where does PBS get its money from these days? Corporate sponserships, and the US Gov.
Did anyone really expect Frontline to do anything that would upset either money flow? Not a chance. I think Frontline's last good reporting was on the Iran-Contra treason in the 80's. I didn't even bother to watch this.
cindysheehan
I wanted to acknowledge you for the good work that you do and to let you know that within each one of us is a power to know and do the right thing. Not everyone has the courage that you do but it changes people from within knowing there is an ethical person that represents the issues and people that want to see change. Thanks very much.
Ray...
I agree! I'm glad someone had the courage to say it.
Too empty, too shallow , this PBS production is Discovery Channel approved. Watching the major players, who were the gears of the occupation (including the media embeds) look back wistfully after resignations or retirement reveals a startling truth: A catastrophically lethal disaster is surrounded by people who were just doing their jobs, Incredibly (and these people must live in an alternate universe) they couldn't imagine anything less then epic carnage before the first missles were launched in 2003.
Segment 3:
More shilling of the OCT:
First they stress that there were suicide attacks. Of course, never bothering to present a shred of evidence to support the lie. See: Fake bin Laden Video
Clean demarcation between pre-9/11 and post-9/11 world. See ZELIKOW (part one / snowshoefilms series) and Catastrophic Terrorism: Elements of a National Policy By Ashton B. Carter, John M. Deutch and Philip D. Zelikow Zelikow, et al.'s paper was a road-map to the dark-side.
I also get the feeling the producers of the show are trying to spin the puppet show.