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Anti-War Campaigners Have to Change Electoral Tactics
Neither Clinton nor Obama has a real plan to end the occupation of Iraq, but they could be forced to change position
'So?" So said Dick Cheney when asked last week about public opinion being overwhelmingly against the war in Iraq. "You can't be blown off course by polls." A few days later, his attitude, about the fact that the number of US soldiers killed in Iraq has reached 4,000, displayed similar levels of sympathy. They "voluntarily put on the uniform," the vice-president told ABC news.
This brick wall of indifference helps explain the paradox in which we in the US anti-war camp find ourselves five years into the occupation of Iraq: anti-war sentiment is as strong as ever, but our movement seems to be dwindling. Sixty-four per cent of Americans tell pollsters they oppose the war, but you'd never know it from the thin turnout at recent rallies and vigils.
When asked why they aren't expressing their anti-war opinions through the anti-war movement, many say they have simply lost faith in the power of protest. They marched against the war before it began, marched on the first, second and third anniversaries. And yet, five years on, US leaders are still shrugging: "So?"
That's why it's time for the anti-war movement to change tactics. We should direct our energy where it can still have an impact: the leading Democratic contenders.
Many argue otherwise. They say that if we want to end the war, we should simply pick a candidate who is not John McCain and help them win: we'll sort out the details after the Republicans are evicted from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Some of the most prominent anti-war voices - from MoveOn.org to the Nation, the magazine we both write for - have gone down this route, throwing their weight behind the Obama campaign.
This is a serious strategic mistake. It is during a hotly contested campaign that anti-war forces have the power to actually sway US policy. As soon as we pick sides, we relegate ourselves to mere cheerleaders.
And when it comes to Iraq, there is little to cheer. Look past the rhetoric and it becomes clear that neither Barack Obama nor Hillary Clinton has a real plan to end the occupation. They could, however, be forced to change their positions, thanks to the unique dynamics of the prolonged primary battle.
Despite the calls for Clinton to withdraw in the name of "unity", it is the very fact that Clinton and Obama are still fighting it out, fiercely vying for votes, that presents the anti-war movement with its best pressure point. And our pressure is badly needed.
For the first time in 14 years, weapons manufacturers are donating more to Democrats than to Republicans. The Democrats have received 52% of the defence industry's political donations in this election cycle - up from a low of 32% in 1996. That money is about shaping foreign policy and, so far, it appears to be well spent.
While Clinton and Obama denounce the war with great passion, they both have detailed plans to continue it. Both say they intend to maintain the massive green zone, including the monstrous US embassy, and to retain US control of Baghdad airport.
They will have a "strike force" to engage in counter-terrorism, as well as trainers for the Iraqi military. Beyond these US forces, the army of green zone diplomats will require heavily armed security details, which are currently provided by Blackwater and other private security companies. At present there are as many private contractors supporting the occupation as there are soldiers, so these plans could mean tens of thousands of US personnel entrenched for the future.
In sharp contrast to this downsized occupation is the unequivocal message coming from hundreds of soldiers who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraq Veterans Against the War which, earlier this month, held the Winter Soldier hearings in Silver Spring, Maryland - modelled on the 1971 Winter Soldier investigation, in which veterans testified about US atrocities in Vietnam - are not supporting any candidate or party. Instead they are calling for immediate, unconditional withdrawal of all US soldiers and contractors. Coming from peace activists, the "out now" position has been dismissed as naive. It is harder to ignore coming from the hundreds who have served - and continue to serve - on the frontlines.
The candidates know that much of the passion fuelling their campaigns flows from the desire among so many rank-and-file Democrats to end this disastrous war. Crucially, the candidates have already shown that they are vulnerable to pressure from the peace camp. When the Nation revealed that neither candidate was supporting legislation that would ban the use of Blackwater and other private security companies in Iraq, Clinton changed course. She became the most important US political leader to endorse the ban - scoring a point on Obama, who opposed the invasion from the start.
This is exactly where we want the candidates: outdoing each other to prove how serious they are about ending the war. That kind of battle has the power to energise voters and break the cynicism that is threatening both campaigns.
Let's remember, unlike the outgoing Bush administration, these candidates need the support of the two-thirds of Americans who oppose the war in Iraq. If opinion transforms into action, they won't be able to afford to say, "So?"
Naomi Klein is the author of many books, including her most recent, The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism, which will be published in September.Visit Naomi's website at www.naomiklein.org, or to learn more about her new book, visit www.shockdoctrine.com . Jeremy Scahill is the author of the New York Times bestseller Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army. He is currently a Puffin Foundation Writing Fellow at the Nation Institute.
Copyright New York Times syndication



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Show AllYah, Naomi, my heroine, but what exactly are we supposed to do to enact this strategy? Could you be a little more specific?
OK so let me get this straight...
The (varying) Progressive to-do list:
- bash each other
- praise each other
- bash Hillary
- bash Obama
- say Obama is wonderful
- say Obama is the answer albeit the least scary one
- write to our congresspeople
- don't write to our congresspeople, they don't read it anyway
- attend anti-war protests
- vote for Ralph Nader, egotismo
- vote for Cynthia McKinney
- vote for Ron Paul, the crackpot libertarian
- just get a democrat in office
- change the 2-party system
- save the environment
- fix public eduation system
- fix healthcare
- spend time with kids
- read blogs and progressive newspapers
The Neocon agenda:
- Watch Fox news
- Vote for McCain because as long as a republican stays in office my taxes won't go up, I'll somehow make millions of dollars, I won't get attacked by a terrorist and I can buy all the crap I want at Walmart. PERIOD.
AND we wonder why we so-called progressives can't accomplish one thing.
Cut to January 2009 when we inaugurate President McCain. I REFUSE!
I love the creative nature of progressives but right now we need to GET IT TOGETHER PEOPLE.
Most importantly, now is certainly not the time to try to change the 2-party system. That needs to be a grassroots movement that can certainly start now with discussion and organization, but NOT WITH THIS ELECTION. Baby steps, people. We've got a lot to do and a short window of opportunity to even get a crack at it.
In the process of dragging things out, Clinton is not responding to anti war pressure. On the contrary she is out Republicaning the Republicans with fear mongering and race baiting, with the outcome that McCain is rising in the polls against both major candidates. She is not presenting any "opportunity" for the antiwar movement. She is turning back years of progress on peace and race issues, and if she doesn't exit the stage very soon, her poison will lead to 4-8 more years of disastrous foreign misadventures whether by her or by McCain. I read the Nation, and I admire and have read both Klein and Scahill, but this time the only relatively moderate voice of the Nation is the sensible one. Ideological purity is blinding. We really really need to get real. I was not for Obama at the outset, but the world urgently needs the only one with any track record of listening.
Be real - Clinton doesn't think for one second that a real activist would ever support her. Not for one second.
I'm completely flummoxed by the anti-war voters who can support Barack Obama - he's a warmongerer! He is an advocate of our using the military in Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan, and has no clear plan for exiting Iraq - why support him?? It's time to start thinking outside of the box!!
"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." ~ Henry David Thoreau
I really don't understand why people who seem to be well informed about social and political issues fail to appreciate the fact - or perhaps even to comprehend - that 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB! If you want to end this madness answer the question: Who killed John O'Neill?
Note: I have extensively researched the assertions in the film Who Killed John O'Neill?, and I have not discovered a single significant inaccuracy. Where was Heinz in 9/11/01?
I don't believe for a minute that Americans want an end to the war. As always, they want a Messiah who will spout all the empty patriotic rhetoric--"hope," "change," "america is great," etc., etc. As always, they want someone who will rearrange the deck chairs. John McCain is gonna win the election so that the Titanic can sink "with honor."
I have attended two events for Barack Obama. One telephone conference with Zbigniew Brzezinski and the other a dinner conversation with Tony Lake.
Both individuals decided to join Obama´s Campaign because of his "Integrity". "B" was National Security Advisor for Jimmy Carter and was the decision maker in the initial phases of the American Intervention in Afghanistan in 1979.
He believed that the Soviets were having success with their economic efforts in Afghanistan. He feared that if they were successful, they would move down to Iran and help them. The Soviets had no military in Afghanistan until 6 months after the American efforts, yes terrorist efforts, began. In 1981, the plans were expanded and the recruitment of 100,000 Islamic Militants from 43 Islamic countries began with 12 billion dollars from the Saudis and United States and, of course, millions from the Bin Laden Treasury.
"Brzezinski" believes that we must maintain a presence in Iraq.
Tony Lake was one of the few men to stand up to Henry Kissinger by resigning when he found out about the Cambodian bombing. He could have been a CIA Director for Bill Clinton except he didn´t stop the Chinese deals and the Republicans did not like that.
He too claimed in the Spanish Newspaper "ABC" that we needed to maintain a presence in Iraq until there was "Peace" which is similar to "Victory".....
The Advisors look the same, the Think Tanks look the same.
Slightly different take by Chris Hedges:
"The anti-war movement bears much of the blame. It sold us out to the Democratic Party. The decision by anti-war activists to accept a moratorium on demonstrations in 2004 in order to support John Kerry ended our chance to build a widespread, grass-roots movement against the war. Kerry, in return for this support, ridiculed and humiliated those of us who opposed the war. He called for more troops in Iraq. He mouthed thought-terminating patriotic slogans to out-Bush Bush. He promised victory in Iraq. He assured voters that he, unlike George W. Bush, would never have pulled out of Fallujah. Anti-war voters stood passively behind him as they were humiliated and abused. And the anti-war movement has never recovered. The groundswell of popular revulsion that led hundreds of thousands to take to the streets before 2006 collapsed. The five-year anniversary of the war was marked with tepid protests that were sparsely attended. Why not? If the anti-war movement gutlessly backs pro-war candidates, what credibility does it have? If it fails to support those candidates on the margins of the political spectrum who stand with it against the war, what is the movement worth? Why not be cynical and go home? "
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080323_a_conscientious_objection/
Obama is far from an ideal choice. But the reality based crowd (remember?) look at all the alternatives. Hillary would probably bomb someone because she has something to prove, much like W. did. She has belittled Obama's calls for diplomacy as "naive." Reality, folks. Anyone running for president will be advised by current and past warmongers. But some are also being advised by and listening to peace mongers. If we want someone who might listen to the latter, Hillary Clinton has not shown any inclination in that direction.
This is a big reason why I won't vote for the democratic nominee in the general election. The democrats are actually more of a war party than the republicans. Which was our anti-war democratic president? There never was one.
Clinton and Obama are not anti-war. Also, they want to appeal to cross-over and independent voters. The republicans are still going to try to scare voters as November approaches. That, unfortunately, seems to trump any anti-war sentiments in the public.
Neither Clinton or Obama are reliably against the war.
I will vote for either Nader or the Green Party candidate for this and multiple other reasons. The problem comes when we think we need to support a democrat because they have the best chance of winning, based on how others vote. Vote you own convictions.
herbert r cheronsky:
Thanks for reminding us about the Carter Admin history in Afghan. Can you give some of the basic sources so that we can cite them to others?
"Obama is far from an ideal choice. But the reality based crowd (remember?) look at all the alternatives. Hillary would probably bomb someone because she has something to prove, much like W. did."
Hillary is completely owned by the Rockefeller mob. They have so much dirt on her that they could have her arrested in the morning and on the gallows the same evening. If you don't understand what I mean, try googeling for Mena Arkansas. Also see the entry on Spiked News. They also own Dubya. Dubya did not invade Iraq to prove a point. He invaded Iraq for the same reason he say in Booker Elementary School while the US was under attack. He was ordered to do so.
Zbigniew Brzezinski:
How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
Brzezinski: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?
Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
Strange how the deaths of around a million inconsequential Afghanis and the destruction of their economic infrastructure is nothing to regret. Zbig is in Obama's team, BTW.
This topic is treated well in: http://wkjo.com/
BLOODY MURDER!
When "Anti-war" ignored Ron Paul, they prooved themselves to not be antiwar but anti-Bush. Obama is nothing but 4 years of blaming Bush. NO THANKS! Ron Paul is right on!
None of the "likely three" will pull out of Iraq any time soon. The Iraq occupation is too critical to keeping the US GDP numbers high, now that consumer borrowing is so limited. None of the "three" want to be blamed for exacerbating the current financial crisis by shutting down the revenue stream the Iraq occupation provides to the US military industrial media complex.
REALITY:
McClone WILL invade Iran, If W doesn't beat him to it.
Clinton WILL PROBABLY invade Iran to prove she isn't a sissy.
Obama MIGHT invade Iran.
As sick as it sounds, I will put my vote on MIGHT, over WILL and WILL PROBABLY when it comes to invading Iran.
I think we need to wake up and face up to the fact that politicians dont give a rat's ass about public opinion. That is, until an issue is brought to light, and politicians demagogically become ethical until the light blows over and the issue is in the dark again.
Unless stories like the testimonies from irak veterans against the war reach more than a couple of activists, well never shame politicians into changing course. Do a google news search on IVAW (irak veterans against war), there is not ONE story beside an early 2006 BBC news article in mainstream news. Its not on the public radar. People dont know about it. As long as people are uninformed, the carnage can go on. I think we need to find ways to reach the public, which may or may not entail shaming democratic candidates with hard facts.
Their power will erode when light is shone on their darkness and show just how horrible the consequences of their actions really are.
Im not sure which way to go about to reach a critical mass number of citizens and get them interested in getting to more truth, until the whole thing balloons into a Tiananmen square-style showdown, but we need to.
"That's why it's time for the anti-war movement to change tactics. We should direct our energy where it can still have an impact: the leading Democratic contenders."
Naomi and Jeremy you're kidding, Right? All three candidates will leave bases and troops in Iraq. All three feed from the same corporate fascist trough. The following paragraphs from the Declaration of Independence are all we need to take back what has been taken from us.
Declaration of Independence
When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident:
That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government.
Hooked on oil! That's our problem....
The Vietnamese were the ones who got the US out of Vietnam--not the anti-war movement.
The Iraqis will get us out of Iraq as well-- The house of cards the Bush team set up in Iraq is crumbling . The US "divide and conquer" strategy--Kurds vs. Sunnis vs Shias and all their sub sets -- is leading to one inescapable conclusion: they all want us out because what we offer is worse than anything they could come up with.
I hope so, DRWU.
Chersonsky is correct. I met ObL in the company of Saud royals in the US, Spring 1979. They were planning the $12bn jihad to destabilize a secular Afghanistan.
It is absolutely fine to pressure the Democratic candidates to develop more of an anti-war stance. If the prolonged primary process is an opportunity to further this pressure, then GREAT.
HOWEVER...
If the candidates do NOT develop more of an anti-war stance and will only prolong the occupation then I certainly hope that we can count on powerful voices such as Naomi Klein and Jeremy Scahill to voice their support for either Ralph Nader or the eventual nominee for the Green Party (Cynthia McKinney).
You also have to be careful that the leading Democratic candidates do not slide further to the right after a nominee is decided upon. Kerry slid to the right in 2004 to combat Bush and to not seem too "un-patriotic". This is a very real danger in 2008 as well.
It is necessary to try and push Obama and Hillary to adopt the views of the majority but it is also necessary to stand up against them and support a true anti-war voice if they do not rise to the challenge.
Klein and Scahill fail to offer any strategy for us at all with their vote Democratic Party nonsense. The Democrats are 1/2 of the reason we are always at war, and their people always cozy up to activists only in order to get us to demobilize ourselves into being voters and mobilizing voters for their candidates.
That's really what Klein and Scahill are doing with their preaching here., hitting 'pressure points', as they call them, but pressure points inside The Movement. They want us all to dissipate our energies on behalf of being against the war, into being merely partisans for the Democratic Party nominee. Sick.
The presidential race is just one facet of this fight. If every Dem in congress who voted for the war faced a primary challenger from the peace camp it would scare the bejesus out of Congress. Then, there might be some leverage if a few dozen got elected SPECIFICALLY to stop the occupation.
I agree we need to change tactics. The main one to change is the tactic of blogging and talking to people who agree with us. I participate in vigils and demonstrations for my own sanity...not because I believe they are viable pressure points for change. IF YOU HAVE READ THIS ARTICLE AND POSTED YOUR VIEWS …IT IS EASY TO THINK YOU ARE AN ANTI-WAR ACTIVIST, TO FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING….NOT.
You really should try actually doing something that "they" do pay attention to....WRITE A LETTER OR EMAIL THAT YOU SEND TO YOUR HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE, SENATOR, CLINTON & OBAMA VOICING YOUR VIEWS AND THEN YOU CAN FEEL AS IF YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING. DO THIS WEEKLY AND DAILY IF POSSIBLE. THE POLS DON'T READ THE POLLS THAT TELL THEM YOU AND A MAJORITY OF US WANT OUT OF THIS WAR…THEY READ THE NOTES FROM THEIR STAFF RECORDING THE NUMBER OF COMMUNICATIONS FROM CONSTITUENTS OPPOSING THE WAR. THEY DON'T LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AT VIGILS, THEY LOOK AT THE NUMBERS RECORDING THEIR CONSITUENTS CONCERNS.
TIME FOR REALITY BASED ACTIVISM. YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT BUT WELCOME TO THE WORLD AS IT IS...PARTICIPATE AND PERHAPS WE CAN CHANGE IT...TALK TO EACH OTHER AND WE CAN FORGET IT.
DO IT NOW.
I think we should "manditorily" put the uniform on cheney and bush and their cohorts and ship them to the front lines. We'd be out of Iraq tomorrow.
Karen P - noble sentiment. Sounds like you've boiled meaningful participation down to being a count (and a count of email at that). And with it being so so easy to email, I can't imagine Pols count them for very much.
What Dems and Liberals haven't seemed to learn, that Repubs have, is that we need to be blunt and to the point. That's one reason Pelosi and Reid drive me crazy...they're all nuance and fine points of discussion. Discussion and debate are important and have their place, but NOT when you're trying to fight a mindless bully.
Peace lovers everywhere had better think twice before they demand Obama kowtow to them as though THEY think THEY are commander in chief and can sway the policy. Before you have a fit, consider that I too love peace and would prefer us not stupid enough to elect McCain. But brand Obama a reed in the wind of the peaceniks' breeze, even a little bit, and McCain is what you'll get. Obama is suitable enough to lead us---please don't try to lead him before he is elected and try to make him into a wussy following aging hippies. IT WILL NOT WORK FOR PEACE. (No matter who says it will.)
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Lets get real here. What votes are left to be counted? Almost all states have already had their primaries or caucuses. So exactly how much pressure could the antiwar movement apply?
In certain states, they could raise and push the issue.
Beyond that, this thing looks much more in the hands of the party hacks that are the 'superdelegates'. And the one thing that the antiwar movement should be very, very clear on by this point in time is that the party hacks in the Democratic Party SUPPORT this war.
I think the much better pressure point is in the fall elections. That's where the antiwar movement could go to the Democrats and flat out say .... we are your margin of victory. You must have our votes to win. You don't get them without a clear promise to change our policy. We could even force the Dems in Congress to act BEFORE the election by delivering a message in a clear and united voice that we are not supporting the Democrats in Nov if they don't act before the election.
Daniel David is obviously anti-american. He supports the line of King George III that says that we all must kowtow to those who've appointed themselves as our leaders. He denies and objects to the fact that this is supposed to be a government of the people, by the people and for the people.
Over 70% of the American people want this war to end. This constant Dem party hack BS that says its a losing issue is just a smoke screen. Not only do poll numbers constantly show Bush's unfavorable rating down because of the war, but the failure of the Democratic Congress to act with the mandate they had in the 2006 elections has dropped the popularity of the Dems in Congress down below Bush's.
Face it, the big money that funds the Democratic Party wants the war to continue. The American people don't. The Democrats respond to the big money and do what those people want. To the 70% of the American people who want this war to end, the answer from the Democrats is EXACTLY the same as the one Dick Cheney gives.
Question, is this suddenly a better war when its Obama's war? Is it somehow an evil war when its Bush's war or McCain's war? The Democrats will have you think that for some strange reason that there's a difference.
Remember, Obama has pledged that he will still have troops dying in Iraq in 2012 at the end of his term as President.
Writing, emailing, calling, protesting, attending vigils will not make a difference to the (corporate puppets) we call our elected representatives. Direct Action to throw off this governmental corporatocracy is the only way. This was done 250 years ago and it needs to be done now. We sit here typing our comments away while life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are being ever so squeezed from our breaths. It is our moral duty as conscious beings to take back what has been taken from us. To do nothing is to relinquish your inalienable rights of being.
Sen. Obama has it correct. We need to leave Iraq in an honorable fashion.
When is the question. We can't just go into a country, shoot it up, and say whoops!!--my bad.
At the very least, we have an obligation to enable the rebuilding of Iraq's infrastructure.
Our current situation seems a lot like the Phillipines. Pres. McKinley's foray bogged us down into a 30+ year commitment.
There is a lesson to be learned. But just up and leaving is no solution to a mess we created by going in there in the first place.
Why one earth would anyone believe that writing a letter to their congresscritter would make a difference? Is the idea that the only reason they support continuing and funding the war is because no one's written them a letter? That's very bizarre.
Make a six figure donation to them, then they'll listen to you a bit. But even then they won't change course if it effects more six figure contributions from say the oil and arms industries (that have been pouring into Dem party coffers since 2006).
There's one way to get a politician's attention. Defeat them. Or at least pose a serious threat to do so.
This is why we have to stop voting for and supporting the Democrats. In many races, if the 10% of the vote that is seriously anti-war were to abandon the Democrats, then the Democrats would lose. If you want to get their attention, that's the way to do it. Writing them a letter is completely @#%$@#% useless. Isn't it completely clear by now that they just don't give a damn what we think?
From the article:
".....At present there are as many private contractors supporting the occupation as there are soldiers, so these plans could mean tens of thousands of US personnel entrenched for the future....."
Yes. Well.
This has BEEN the plan, it IS the plan and it will BE the plan, period.
"Anti-war" sentiments are not effective in opposition to the ideology-driven ILLEGAL OCCUPATION OF A SOVEREIGN NATION.
This is NOT NOT NOT a "war."
It is an ILLEGAL OCCUPATION the goal of which is to ensure the indefinite PRESENCE of an increasingly privatized (corporatized) U.S. military in the region.
If we desire an enduring alternative to this metatasizing nightmare we will need to BUILD IT OURSELVES. I do mean take that "antiwar" energy and start BUILDING.
Now.
It's a bit too late to force either Hillary or Obama to change, this would have to have been done before Kucinich and Richardson were dropped from the race. Now they have nothing to lose from their psuedo-ati-war stances, which are still a bit better than McCain's madness.
Daniel David - What is your point? If you are stupid enough to write the post above, the rest of us have no obligation to give you any credence whatsoever.
I would speculate that you are just another shill for a completely corrupt Democratic Party. I don't need anyone pissing on me and telling me that it's raining...
We went into Iraq illegally, but now that we are there we have to fix what we broke. Obama and Clinton are "against" the war only because they think the "American public" is against it. The "public", to the extent that such a monolithic thing exists, doesn't know what it wants. "It" would vote for a ham sandwich if it thought it looked good on television. This whole damn thing is broken beyond repair. Voting this year seems like such a waste of time.
Again if voting made a difference it would've been made illegal.The dems/repubs play musical chairs but the group(s) behind the curtain never change. We have been this way since time immemorial. 16,800 wars in 5000 years. When will we find our courage and stop this?
What ever happened to the idea of the blue states from the last election seceding and joining Canada to form the United States of Canada with Alberta joining the red states to form a Nation called Hague land or something like that?
It still may work and Hague land could take PM Harper with them.
Think of the benefits for the blue states.... lots of water... public health care.... a legacy of mostly not meddling in colonialism etc..
hate to say it, but as an aging hippie, i pretty much have to agree with daniel david. our failure as a boomer generation was one of not opening up the political process to make it more democratic. we are stuck with a political duopoly, a too powerful executive branch and a too powerful judiciary. we didn't institute processes that would make a legislative assembly powerful and still responsive enough to the people.
so, here we are in 2008, with the system as it is. mcCain is out of the question. hillary is an unprincipled power-hungry pol who only knows how to play the system. obama gets our "support" by default. we can only do what we can and hope for the best.
aside: was John McCain the pilot who triggered a live missle into the elevator on the USS Intrepid? I think he burnt his own carrier to the waterline.Was John McCain financed by the Bonnano crime family in his campaigns? hmmm...why are the Google and Yahoo links being misrouted
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Write to Obama and Clinton to Censure Bush/Cheney.
I think the key to Klein & Scahill's strategy is to push the notion that we will end the war by ending the occupation. Words do matter, as Barack has said.
Why do we want to have the largest US embassy in the world located in Baghdad in the first place? What conclusions about America's real motivations do you expect the locals to draw given the past history of the US embassy compound in Tehran throughout the rule of the Shah?
Why do we want to build a dozen "enduring", self-contained military bases on Iraqi soil, particularly given the renown hi tech geographical mobility of the Pentagon's air power and special forces? What do we expect these bases to become, other than an enduring visible insult to the people of Iraq, and magnets for future mortar and rocket attacks by a whole smorgasboard of angry Iraqi militia factions?
Why is there talk about leaving US noncombat military forces in Iraq, ostensibly to help "train" Maliki's troops how best to fight an urban guerilla insurgency that relies primarily upon low tech, assymetrical warfare tactics? Five years into the occupation quagmire, Uncle Sam still cannot make heads or tails of the byzantine, interlocking layers of Iraqi religious, regional, partisan, and tribal loyalties. Who are we to lecture or train them on how to halt suicide bombers?
Who's kidding who about leaving scaled down ground forces there for the limited mission of shooting at Al Quaeda fighters only? This has been the ephemeral, mission impossible infantry rules of engagement that our existing 160,000 troop presence has supposedly been working under for the last half decade. Tell me again how the grunt on patrol or manning a checkpoint who encounters hostile fire can determine if its origin is Al Quaeda or Iraqi nationalist, is it live or Memorex?
Why are US military authorities still sweeping up and holding thousands of Iraqi detainees? Given Abu Ghraib, what reaction should we expect except suspicion and hostility? Shouldn't the Iraqi regime be running its own prison system by now?
End the war by ending the occupation.
End the occupation by picking apart each of its component parts and challenging why anybody should believe leaving even a scaled down presence there will be in the US national interest, or change for the better any of the internal political dynamics there.
Barack might actually listen.
Bill from Saginaw
Excuse me for a second while I pick my jaw up from the floor. It's been there this whole time while reading this article.
I really like Jeremy and Naomi, but this article is absurd. To think that supporting a presidential candidate to end this war is beyond naive. Clinton and Obama's rhetoric is designed for the elections, not to be taken seriously once elected.
This war is about resources and global hegemonic positioning. They will not simply leave because the public is against the war. The only way the US will leave is if they are defeated in Iraq.
The only thing a serious opponent to the war should be discussing is direct action to challenge the people that are profiting from it. Using strategic non-violent direct action on a daily basis will increase the social costs of the war, but wasting your energies on the Democrats is like attending an ANSWER protest: pointless. Real power in this society does NOT lie in the presidents hands, unless like Bush, he or she is a representative of that power base.
(ANSWER by the way is a front group for the sectarian left sect called the Workers World Party, considered by many to be doing the work of cops)
Sometimes, I think writers like Naomi and Jeremy should be more careful about aligning themselves with liberals at the Nation or MoveOn. Their ooze can easily infect your critical thinking capacities, and I trust that both of you are much smarter than that.
I for one plan to do all that I can to see that both Cheney
and Bush are arrested at the Republican Natl Convention in
St. Paul. I'm going to start by proposing a resolution at
the up-coming DFL Senate Caucus, which I'm a delegate to.
The resolution will read:
Be is resolved that that an arrest warrent be issued for:
One George W. Bush, AKA: The Decider
Richard K. Cheney, AKA: The CEO
The above named defendants be aprehended as soon as possible
and detained without bail due to high risk of flight.
Upon arrest the above defendants will be charged with violation of the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th
Amendments of the Constitution of the United States of America.
Bill from Saginaw March 26th, 2008 4:27 pm:
"I think the key to Klein & Scahill's strategy is…"
Some very good questions, Bill from Saginaw.
One question I have is: Has the US put itself into an economic trap by becoming addicted to massive amounts of borrowed money? I mean, right now the congress won't say no to any budget request, twenty zillion dollars for x-wing starships? No problemo. We'll even put in pork barrel money for freezers for the Eskimos. But if the war, occupation, terror were to end, how do you justify the spending?
The crumbling infrastructure, bad healthcare, poor education will still be there but how can you justify the massive debt charges if there is no boogeyman? If the debt spending stops, what then? Will enough people accept that federal services have to be scaled back to pay for a war that ended say, years ago?
What a horrible bunch of responses to a good article-- glib, sophomoric, cynical, dismissive.
To try and consider three of the more serious assertions: Potsdam thinks we need to leave Iraq in an honorable fashion. No we don't. We need to leave with our tail between our legs the way Russia left Afghanistan. The embassy, converted to ________ (you fill in the blank) can be a monument to monumental stupidity for the next thirty years (until it falls down from its own natural weight and architecture and shoddy workmanship).
Just up and leaving is the most intelligent thing we can do since we're such a big part of the overall problem. Or are are we too addicted to the power of telling little Iraqis what to do, to go cold turkey? Leave "honor" to the Grangerfords in Huckleberry Finn. Mark Twain could tell you the worth of all the talk about "honor." We're not qualified to be in Iraq. Period.
Li Po wants to fix what we broke. But getting out is the only possible way to fix it, and even that might not work, but at least we'd be out. Every day we're there is another day for our soldiers and contractors to shoot the wrong people. To quote Winter Soldier Hart Viges, who joined the Army right after 9/11: "We never went on a raid where we got the right house much less the right person-- not once." Bush in his self-delusion is a fictive character written by William Golding: He is Jack in Lord of the Flies.
Iraq is the island scene of total disaster from which we need adults to extract us AT ONCE.
zephyr, don't be so hung up on "occupation" vs. "war." It's both.
Conclusion. (C'mon, let's be positive.)
Bring Winter Soldier to both candidates' attention, in its entirety, and force their response. Give Hillary the chance to be more intelligent than Barack and vice-versa, with the person who opts to remove every American ASAP clearly the one who merits the nomination. This assertion of mine isn't even provocative. It's the thing that all Americans know somewhere in their core even if they haven't admitted it to themselves yet. I'll bet if Hillary
or Barack woke up and said, "Bring everybody out!" the other one would do the same, and that would be okay-- better than okay.
Progressives are writing in third party progressive candidates in the elections, unless the Demoks earn our vote by carrying out the orders we issued to impeach the top two criminals and totally vacate Iraq by election day. Will the Demoks obey their orders and thereby earn the progressive vote?