My Congresscritter is a Democrat first-termer from a fairly thinly populated state who, if she has any committee assignments at all, has very little influence over the entrenched Democratic Party players who have made it clear they're bought and paid for by the same interests who own the Republican Party. I've rattled her cage to no effect. My only option, other than to march armed on Washington in a citizen militia, is to vote her out next election and let her know it was because she didn't do more to end the war.

The only thing I'd add is that Easter has always been a particularly despicable time of year. For centuries it was the beginning of the pogrom season in Europe -- when Bush's and McCain's ancestors would ride into Jewish villages killing and raping because Jews killed Jesus, or, in mixed villages, the righteous would kill their non-righteous neighbors in order to serve Jesus -- sort of how the media inaccurately describes the relationship between Sunni and Shia.

And the point we've reached is that of the three frontrunning candidates for President -- ALL intend to continue the war. One admits it. The other two, Hillary and Obama lie about it, although they admit they'll not pull out all US troops and will judge it once they get there.

By refusing to commit to immediate, safe withdrawal of all US troops and the US-funded, illegal contractors, Hillary and Obama have lost the war debate, and therefore the election, to McCain. Instead of having to defend the war as not worth the cost in lives, limbs and treasure regardless of the possible outcomes, McCain will simply argue that when we had fewer troops there prior to the surge there were increased US casualties. He will logically say that Hillary's or Obama's plan -- fewer troops in Iraq -- has already failed and cost more US lives and limbs.

The American people want out and won't be swayed by "cut and run" or "there will be a calamity of biblical proportions if we leave" arguments, so long as the human and financial costs of the war are ended. They don't think the Iraq occupation is worth it regardless of what the outcome is. But they will not support leaving if it means more US casualties and a continued never-ending expenditure of lives, limbs and treasure.

And Obama's and Clinton's war plan call for never-ending, undefined expenditure of lives, limbs and treasure. At least the McCain plan, as it will be portrayed convincingly to the American people, means fewer US casualties.

I write in reply to a completely false comment by user "WTF"

who said:
"#
WTF March 24th, 2008 12:47 pm

… I believe OBL is alive and very well, gleefully watching the US bleed, as was ALWAYS his desire. He is revered by much of Islam as a hero-warrior, up there with the great Salah Ad-din Yusuf Ibn Ayyub (aka Saladin). As such, he will be protected from stool pigeons. He will probably go down in Arabic history as the most famous muslim in recent times."

OBL is NOT a hero nor is he "revered by much of islam". On the contrary , repeatedly the major sheikhs and imams have condemned him and his actions; the old and young generations of Arabs have repeatedly renounced him and recognized him for nothing but an unmitigated disaster on the arab world (a reason that makes most intellectuals - american arab and european - question whether he isn't a manufactured casus belli to rape the arabs)

I don't know where WTF gets his information (misinformation more like it) but this is the kind of lie that inflames americans against muslims and arabs.

It is unfair to spew such lies when arabs have done much to publicly renounce those crminals and pursue and imprison them, yet american media turns a blind eye to those efforts

Muslims and arabs recognize OBL for the dangerous criminal that he is. He has no mandate, no holiness, no religious formal training, no authority , and certainly no right to commit any crime, and no right to pretend to speak for them.

Terrorism patently violates muslim rules of war , peace and international relations. it violates the letter and precedent of muslim beliefs and jurisprudence. And many scholars have said so publicly on numerous occasions ranging from weekly sermons, TV programs to publicized letters to the popes by major muslim figures and representatives.

Arabs + muslims reject terrorism and terrorist means and OBL in no way represents arab or muslim interests or aspirations. He is a criminal and he is the creation of the US .

I hate the way the media props him up and reports his "messages" as if they matter.

Get your facts straight WTF, OBL is a low life outlaw and don't go conflating such a low life criminal created by your government with muslim historic leaders who were on par to parlay and negotiate war and peace with Richard Lionheart .

WTF's message is very insulting and demeaning and defamatory of muslims today.

Cheers.

War is also evil, Kem Patrick, so it is on topic. Death is death, whether in the womb or on the battlefield.

Also, your namecalling is evil. How's that?

Both political parties are wholly owned subsidaries of corporate america. Neither party has the interest of the people at heart. Given this fact what is one to do with his/her vote. Chuck Hagel said we need a third party. I agree. It will be a long and rocky road and we may never get there, but a journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. Given the choices we now have I cannot see how voting for an independent or third party candidate is throwing ones vote away any more that voting for either of the corporate parties.

Mike Gravel just joined the Libertarian Party.

common dreams deliberately removed my comments because i wrote that muslims do not support bin laden.

common dreams is a US army propaganda arm. that much is clear.

natneroc,

That's a pretty bold charge! Army huh?

Bin Laden is a creation of the war on terror. We made him into a madman that can destroy "America".

So we went to war against an ideology, "Muslims hate our freedom" and support OBL.

OBL knew something stupid Americans couldn't see! We would go broke borrowing money to feed the Military Industrial Machine.

The money is gone folks, it didn't go into infrastructure and added value. It went to bomb human beings hiding in caves. It went to create millions of people who hate U.S..

All Bin Laden did was say "good job". He is happy to take all the credit we give him. When our economy collapses, the Muslim world will remember him thumbing his nose at the most powerful military on the planet!

I don't agree calling them like you see them is evil, more like rude or snotty, or tired of so much off topic bullshit. A little off topic and fun humor is okay, but Riverman has over done it, so did you. Just one of my my NHOs.

So Michael, how can you support Democrats whom you know WILL NOT END THE WAR? Not Hillary. Not Obama. At one time you professed to be aware of this? Since then, the sellout to (one of) the corporate party has taken place. Time to revisit the conscience?

When I heard about Dick Cheney's arrogant reply to an interviewer's question, I knew that this was just a way to distract us from the real questions that must be asked, and the responsibility this administration has to the American people. Such as why is the mastermind of the attack on the United States of America -- Osama Bin Laden, still free, and why have we not been able to apprehend him?

The other questions could include, why are we in Iraq which is tantamount to losing the economic and morale war to Osama Bin Laden, by slowly bleeding the U.S. to death with the 4,000 troop loss, and estimated billions of dollars taken from our social needs and tossed into the bottomless pit of an endless war?

The type of answer that Cheney gives are carefully orchestrated to keep us at bay, or worse, to demoralize us, and distract us. It is a technique, nothing less. Who cares if he is a rude, or arrogant? We want answers to real questions! Journalists, do your job!!!

Bush Clinton Pelosi Reed Conyors McCain this list could include most of our government officials

and some non government people that help them hide the truth.

Hey Micheal

Maybe a better label would be the Fascist Amerikan Regimes War

"I know there are many of you reading this who have the chutzpah and ingenuity to confront your local congressperson"

Sorry Mike ... nothing less than an armed uprising by the general populace will dislodge this mentality ... the other option being re-instatement of the Draft !

And now Cheney is in Isreal trying to broker peace!? Yeh... right. If Dick tried to pull a publicity stunt like walking across America for peace between Palestine and Isreal, how far do you think he would get before he got run over?

Well said Mr. Moore. That's why the Rightwingnuts are so down on you. You make too much sense and you just won't shut up.
God bless you.

A show I watch once in awhile just to see what may be in the works, called The 700 Club, had a report this morning about a study done on the sequences of violence in Iraq and opposition to the war. It appears, according to the study, that when there's opposition to the war, a burst of violence follows. So I imagine Limbaugh and the rest will soon be spreading that bull - and the idiots listening will spread it around, and it'll be believed by so many. Like there hasn't been continuous oppositon since before the war even started.

Dear "liberals":

Will you ever get tired of being sold out by the war-supporting democrats?

Either vote for real anti-war candidates and parties (Green Party www.GP.org ) or man-up, and admit you support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan every single time you go into the voting booth and blindly pull the lever for the democrats.

Cheeney Cheeney Chicanery

It's time to hide in you bunker
Osama's not the only spelunker

It's Cheeney Cheeney chicanery
thrillin birds faster than greenbacks a slidin

sparkin his defibber with more bang for the buck
since the DOW and doom cycle clock seldom get stuck

So duck and cover folks
it's cheeney cheeney chicanery
cheeney cheeney chicanery
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What should we expect from a guy who picked himself to be VP, and the idiot who stumbled along behind him to the white house?

And what should we expect in November after this guy and the recently "chosen" ones are in the Middle East at the same time, and the "chosen" is following in this guys footsteps?

"Such as why is the mastermind of the attack on the United States of America — Osama Bin Laden, still free, and why have we not been able to apprehend him?"

Comments like this show that, even in protest, many Americans are still woefully ignorant about world events. To answer the poster's questions:

1) Bin Laden did NOT mastermind the World Trade attack. Try and do some research into the most obvious reasons why it would have been impossible for a man sitting in a cave in Afghanistan to do so.
2) He hasn't been apprehended because he DIED back in late 2001-early 2002. Thus, the blatantly fake replacements who show up like clockwork every election cycle, or anytime things are getting too "real" and a boogie-man is needed.

The real question is why people like Mr. Moore, who supposedly know the score, support the democratic party who at best are an enabler of the war; and at worst, a quiet co-conspirator of the war. After all, the democrats eat from the same pig trough as the republicans.

What the democratic voters are doing right now to prop up the democratic party against the republicans is what the european countries did to 'oppose' Hitler. Appeasment doesn't work, especially if it violates basic principles of freedom, liberty, and justice for all. And impeachment is off the table.

There is a fundamental struggle, and we should at least support the right thing, even if the mainstream media and society doesn't.

That is why I am voting Nader.

'I would rather vote for what I want and not get it, than vote for what I don't want and get it.' Eugene Debs

so it goes...

Under no circumstances will God help the U.S.A.. Quite the opposite. Maybe, if the remnants can get it together after the current regime is destroyed, something can be done to facilitate an evolution to socialism. But some things are for certain, the U.S.A. as a nation must cease to exist and that obscene stars and stripes flag must forever represent the epitome of evil, even superseding the swastika flag of Nazism.

No one should lament the destruction of the U.S. empire, since many such organizations have passed from the world history in recent times and no one (not many?) misses the Austro-Hungarian, French, Turkish, British or any other fleeting empire. If there is to be a viable society for the multi-quadrillions (#?) of people who must successively inhabit this planet in the future, then the evil scum must go. Now!

For how many more decades will Michael Moore be supporting Democrats? How many more years will it take before Americans have been thoroughly taken over by their charismatic fascists?

If you want the occupations to end, for the imperialists to give up their brutal aggressions around the world, we must finally go all out with our support for real anti-war candidates, not the dreamy and vague ones coming from those who have voted to FUND THE OCCUPATION, and voted in favor of the PATRIOT ACT, and who are supporting Israel's genocidal occupation of the Palestinians - both H. Clinton and Obama.

We can't support people like that, no matter how charismatic and "feel good" they are. Ted Bundy was charismatic but killed "only" 30 or so women. Those who are voting to further the US agenda in Iraq - like Obama and Clinton - have killed or maimed millions. Is this acceptable to you?

Give the real anti-war candidates your money and support so they can take the anti-war message out to the people. Democrats are leading you on, albeit gently and oh so cleverly, but with them, we're headed for more of the same, that is entirely clear by now.

Vote for whomever you want but for now .... PLEASE support the real anti-war candidates - the world is waiting for Americans to get serious. If you malign anti-war candidates again, the American anti-war movement will die.

I was a Green up till 2000, gave a lot of money and time to Nader back then, and I learned the hard way that we have a two party system, like it or not. Voting Green or any third party at this point, only helps the ideological opposite, the Republicans. That is just how it is, live with it.

This has happened over and over again in our history. Ross Perot's Reform Party is largely how Bill Clinton became President in 1992, for example.

The only practical course is to take over the Democratic Party, much as the far right took over the Republican party. This takes tenacity and patience. Until our winner take all elections can be replaced with something like proportional representation, voting Green or any third party will only backfire.

@xi_people

I agree with your first statement, but not your second. I believe OBL is alive and very well, gleefully watching the US bleed, as was ALWAYS his desire. He is revered by much of Islam as a hero-warrior, up there with the great Salah Ad-din Yusuf Ibn Ayyub (aka Saladin). As such, he will be protected from stool pigeons. He will probably go down in Arabic history as the most famous muslim in recent times.

"So?"

Well, you have to hand it to Dick Cheney, he is succinct. I don't know of anyone else who could piss off millions of people just by uttering one word. Now that's talent! Conversely, I would be willing to bet that if the Vice President suddenly clutched his chest and dropped dead (God willing) the vast majority of Americans would respond to the news with the exact same word. We, too, can be succinct.

keyinside & other militant third-party folks -

Just a hint on the fine art of persuasion...if you want to encourage people to support your cause, do not begin by telling them they are asses. Resorting to Rush Limbaugh-esk tactics of hurling insults at people who disagree with you does nothing to advance your cause or persuade people to explore third party platforms. If you want to be taken seriously, adopt a more positive approach.

Let's get our terminology straight. It went from Bush's invasion to Bush's occupation. There was no war here.

Right now the Iraqis are paying the price for Bush's ego. Our turn will come.

kathyodat

keyinside wrote:

Either vote for real anti-war candidates and parties (Green Party www.GP.org ) or man-up, and admit you support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan every single time you go into the voting booth and blindly pull the lever for the democrats.

Words Are Important wrote:

That is why I am voting Nader.

I could well conclude that I should vote for myself. Why vote for Nader or the Green Party candidate, individuals with whom I agree on the great majority of the major issues, when I can vote for a person with whom I agree on 100 percent of the issues? And I believe I have the same chance of winning as they do, i.e. zero.

No third party is going to win this year, so a vote for a third party can only make sense if it is part of a long-term plan. I have yet to read an argument about how voting for a third party this year fits into a reasonable long-term plan to take back the country.

Some on the left argue that the goal should be to support the candidate with a realistic chance of winning who is least likely to implement measures, e.g. ending Net Neutrality or putting into place even more electronic surveillance, that would make progressive gains in the future more difficult.

alyosha

And how long does it take to "take over the Democratic Party?" Fifty years? We've been working on it for that long! Their tricks get slicker all the time and our situation gets worse. It's the money, corporate money-power.

Why not take over WalMart? Go get a job there and begin your take-over. Take over Fox News, get a job in the mailroom and work your way up. You can't take over corporations and corporations own America. All yu can do is refuse to play their sick, counter-productive (for us) game.

If you can be convinced to support corporate candidates who are voting to kill innocent victims, it will be a long, long time before America can be healed.

"Bush's Illegal Invasion and Occupation" is the more accurate title for tonight's Frontline, since the United States of America is not now, nor has it ever been, officially at "war" with Iraq.

We ARE lobing missiles into Somalia - so, technically, we ARE at "war" with Somalia. And we ARE lobing missiles into Pakistan - so, technically, we ARE at "war" with Pakistan. And we did attempt to overthrow the governments of Palestine and Venezuela - so, technically, we ARE at "war" with Palestine and Venezuela. And we do have Special Ops and other military forces operating inside of Iran - so, technically, we ARE at "war" with Iran.

And we do have military troops "stationed" in more than 100 other countries worldwide - surely, many of the natives consider the presence of American military forces on their soil some sort of war-like act? How would we feel about troops from over a 100 countries hanging out in Texas and Kansas and Florida?

But we are NOT in a state of "war" against our ally Iraq - and the sooner we stop calling it that, the sooner the 41 million Americans who continue to support Bush will stop worshiping his "war powers."

Dick Cheney doesn't want the war to end, not even by winning. Follow the money. Who is funding Al-Qaeda? Who profits from Al-Qaeda's activities? Who profits from the war in Iraq? What happened to the Iraqi oil and the country's wealth, its historical artifacts and other cultural treasures? This was the cradle of civilization. What is left of all that was of any value?
Find out how many companies are "connected" to Dick Cheney in some way, then cross reference that list with the list of companies that are having boon years since the Iraqi war started, in spite of the rest of the economy falling apart. I'll bet you my favorite pair of Levis that both lists are the same. And then you'll understand why Cheney couldn't care less how many people die over there. Not only that, but who are we to question him?
He is who he has always been. To my knowledege this man doesn't even lie or try to cover up his tracks. We always knew--or should have known--what he is.
God will judge him someday, and when He does, each of us will be standing right next to Cheney. What defense will we offer for our part?
We voted this man and his puppet into office. We allowed him to continue. We gave him the money to do it. We even paid people to protect him, to wait on him, and to provide him with every possible comfort. Then we allowed him to operate above the law, and gave him the authority to change the US Constitution to make sure his actions will always be considered legal. How dare we question his actions or imply that he is accountable? So people are dead as a result of his actions? So? What else do we expect him to say?
God will judge him someday, and when He does, each of us will be standing right next to Dick Cheney. What defense will we offer for our part?

buy gold and silver, the giant derivatives blob of $500 trillion glowing toxic waste is the reward God will reign down on our financial system. Maybe God is really just missing an 'L' and will bless those who believe in it, instead of the lies and deceit of corrupt men.

Do you get it now, Michael, finally?

Ralph Nader in 2008.

WTF March 24th, 2008 12:47 pm--- Born in Tikrit, Iraq, Saladin, his Arabic name is Salah ad-Din Yusuf, was a Kurd. While Salah ad-Din Yusuf was Muslim, Kurds are Celts, not Arabs. I know, confusing. Either way, OBL will never touch him. Like comparing Brutus to Alexander. Not the same.

Peace.

How would voting Democrat lead to a long term plan to take back our country? That's just reaffirming the thieves who helped to steal it in the first place. It seems like if we want a long term plan to take back our country, the STEP #1 of any such plan has to be to withdraw our support from the theives who've already turned our country into a government of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations. No matter what we do, that has to be step #1. So, why not take that first step?

Don't believe the Democrat lies that they represent change? They don't. Look at their ACTIONS, not their words, and what you see is a 20 year history of the Dems being as much a part of the problem as the Republicans. Or just look at the time since the 2006 elections and ask how much 'change' the Democrats have given us? The Dems are a party build on the lie. They talk progressive to get our votes, then their ACTIONS are purely in support of the big corporations that fund that party of evil (the minutely slightly lessor variety).

Now is the time to save America, tomorrow will be too late.
There are several ways to "change" the direction of this country. Every method requires that we the people act now to take responsibility for the violence being "done" in our names. The "war crimes are us" party in the white house is backed by the "what constitution" party in congress. These two headed war mongers do not make the country stronger. They do not make the world safer for democracy or free speech, when they endorse widespread worldwide torture, illegal wiretaps and political violence.
We can object to this corruption by voting for candidates with a spine, but with endocrine disruption pollution in the world water cycle, hubris and denial are at epidemic levels. Most certainly with the inner sexing fish in the head waters of the Potomac a good old American spine seems harder and harder to find. Water pollution is that abundant? Yes. Then it is no wonder there are no spines along the Potomac. It really is in the water, we just thought that the EPA was watching industry, turns out the EPA is just watching TV.
Green candidates with a spine are much preferred over the tax cut sloths and their toxic waste lobby teams being passed off as political discourse by faux news and the otherwise (I really wish they were) liberal press.
We can also object to the abuse of power through our choices on how we spend our money. Depending of course on which corporate store got the best tax write off to locate in your town. So, unless we all start reading the labels, such as asking your candidates their position, you can bet safely that Darth Cheney plans to enhance our domestic work force by using the China model, that is by locking up dissidents and putting them to work in prison labor camps. You see that way we can compete in the global economy. And to level the playing field even further, forget about environmental protection. What do you need toxin free fish for anyway?
We can work in our communities to educate our citizens about the historical corporate violence that governments once attempted to regulate and keep in check.
And we must object loudly about the institutional welfare for the war profiteers.
It is treasonous that they are destroying our nation, just as they have for centuries of unaccountable corporate lawlessness.
That is why no third party discussion is allowed on the corporate air waves. Deregulation at the FCC gave up our right to free speech long ago. Silence is the voice of complicity and complicity in this day and age is an endorsement or war crimes and silent acceptance of crimes against humanity.
The silence you hear is the shock and awe of our constitution crumbling away and when it is gone all that will be left is the sadness of a people who should have known better, but did nothing.

Thank's Mike for trying to add some sense to the debate.

Mike you hypocrite are you still getting on your knees and begging Nader not to run this time? Shame on you, you and the rest of all pathetic Democratic voters have blood on your hands as much as Republicans do.

People have to understand that the Democratic party is not democratic. They've set their rules up to make very damn sure that big money controls that party and that people like us at the grassroots can't take it over.

Superdelegates are one example. They aren't there to decide a race between two corporate backed candidates backed by different groups of party hacks. In that case you see exactly what you see now between Obama and Hillary. The Superdelegates split. What the Superdelegates are there for is to make damn sure a Kucinich or a Gravel can't win. In that case, the Superdelegates would all back the corporate candidate, meaning the grassroots candidate needs 60% of the vote to win in the Democratic party.

The calendar is another example. A compressed and quick primary\caucus calendar gives a big edge to the candidates with big money. They can bombard multiple states with big ad campaigns, which a grassroots campaign can't compete with. So when you see all the primaries in big states in one day, that's a rule designed to make sure corporate money decides the contest.

And of course, the Dem party could limit contributions if they wanted to. They can use any rules they want in an internal contest, as long as they don't exceed limits in Federal law. So, look at the rules and see the way the Dem party has tilted their internal contests as far towards big money as federal law lets them. The Dems could use something like Vermont's Clean Election rules for internal contest. They deliberately don't, and there's a lesson to learn there.

Or, look at the way they handle their campaigns and debates. The Dem party has willingly given control of its debates to the big corporate media. And the Dem party does not object at all when this media either favors the corporate candidates or excludes the others. Again, learn the lesson here.

Think maybe you can change the Dem party by passing local resolutions. The leadership doesn't care. How many local and state party groups have passed resolutions either against the Iraq war\occupation or in favor of impeachment. In truly anti-Democratic fashion, the leadership of the party ignores these.

Or, watch what happens if someone tries to challenge the corporate Dems at the House or Senate primary level. First a lot of pressure is brought to try to get them to withdraw the challenge. And if that doesn't work the national leadership both floods the race with money for the corporate Dem and people like Bill Clinton will be flying into the district to support the corporate Dem.

Face it, people have been saying to work within the Dem party since at least 1996 (when people had learned enough about Bill Clinton to be disgusted with his pro-corporate policies). That's been the constant mantra. And of course it is from the Dem party hacks. Because they know damn well they control the rules and that they've got the game rigged in their favor. What they want more than anything else is for us to waste our time and effort in futile attempts to change an undemocratic party from within. They laugh at us and call us 'idiot liberals'. And we must be awfully funny to them as we fall into the same traps over and over again.

Face it people. The only way to do this is from outside the Democratic Party.

A third party vote "makes sense" when one's conscience does not allow one to vote for one of the two war party's candidates. The complaint that we have a two party system and that is the way it is like it or not is a result of people not having the courage to change it. To break the addiction. That backside pain you feel every four years is the Democratic Party screwing you over. How many screwing overs does it take to stop their insult and injury? Then again, many folk are addicted to pain. Vote Democrat and the pain will continue. The track record tells us so.

A vote for Obama is a vote to keep troops in Iraq through 2012. Obama's already made that clear.

A vote for Obama is a vote for even larger Pentagon budgets. He's promising to add more troops, increase training and modernize equipment.

Or read this article for a disturbing take on what Obama has said about Latin America. http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/16946 Obama basically says its been a mistake of Bush's to let this region have some independence while we've focused on the middle east. Obama promises to correct this and put our big imperialist foot back down in Latin America.

A vote for Obama is a vote for more expanded wars. He's already supported what Bush seems to be doing by sending troops and missiles into Pakistan. And he's backed the AIPAC\Bush line on Iran all the way through. Remember his 'all options are on the table' speech to AIPAC.

If you want change, you can't vote Democrat.

Take over the democratic party from the inside? Laughable!

Here's a tip: When you try to change the system from the inside, it's not the system that changes, it's YOU that change.

Michael Moore should shut up and support RALPH NADER, DUH !!!!!!!!!!

VOTENADER.ORG

This is funny! "Take over the democratic party from the inside?" I have heard this since 1968. Yeah right. DLC big contributors will let you do that alright. This presidential race is going to cost A BILLION DOLLARS PLUS! Come on folks, we need to pull our collective heads out from where the pain is. The Democratic Party is NOT GOING TO END THE WAR. It is not going to bring us universal single payer health care. It is not going to hold those in the White House accountable for high crimes and misdemeanors. The Democratic Party is sucking on the same corporate teat as the Republicans. That is why I am voting for Ralph Nader. Imperfect as the man may be, he stands for and elucidates those issues that the Democratic Party once claimed as their own. If you want more war then go ahead and vote Democratic. You will then have 4 more years to moan about the Democratic Party before once again, you vote for them, and get screwed again. No. No more, I say.

COMarc,

There are few here at CD, and I am certainly not among them, who actually trust the Democratic Party to do what is necessary to build a better future for most Americans and the world. However, that does not necessarily translate into supporting third parties in 2008 -- the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Republicans have shown they are significantly more dangerous than Democrats. A reasoned argument can be made that under Democrats that progressives can continue to network and build progressive organizations, increasing their number and their power. And a reasoned argument, based on a mountain of evidence, can be made that if the Republicans are able to take back Congress and keep the Presidency, that could be the end of meaningful elections -- no more fascist-lite vs. fascist, but instead fascist vs. fascist in the Republican primaries and the general election decided by electronic voting machines.

Almost certainly a total Republican victory would be the end of Net Neutrality and probably the end of the use of the Internet for beneficial purposes. And just as likely it would mean more electronic surveillance. I just wonder how progressives can build their party or parties under those conditions? Violent revolution, which would become more likely, would seem to be the only option left.

Confront your local congressman? HA! I can tell you exactly what he/she will say .."So?"
Congress is in a stranglehold. They will accomplish nothing.
The key to collapsing this house of cards is the first successful indictment for war crimes. It has to be done outside of the country so there won't be any "pardon" bs. The Hague was made for such trials.

A reporter from ABC News this week told Dick Cheney, in regards to Iraq, "two-thirds of Americans say it's not worth fighting." Cheney cut her off with a one word answer: "So?"

Cheney is above and beyond American law because the democrats allow him to remain beyond the law. Nancy pelosi knows what cheney said and still she persists in blocking impeachment. In effect, denials aside, she agrees with cheney. No possible pelosi rationalization is remotely justifiable in the face of cheney's comment, yet she persists. Conyers, Ried, and others are just as guilty. How can anyone with a mind and a conscience reward the democrats with their vote. This is proof positive that the democrats will not bring positive change. Rationalizations to the contrary are just false and hopeful rationalizations destined for disappointment.

There are just two ways to bring this to an end. One, vote Green, and two, stop consuming., Anything else is just digging your own grave.

President Bush stood underneath a "Mission Accomplished" banner and announced that "Major combat operations have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."

this is ridiculous.

everyone knows the war ended on may 1, 2003.

What? "Republicans have shown they are significantly more dangerous than Democrats." What? Who enabled the Republicans to occupy Iraq? Who gave the Bushites EVERYTHING they wanted for seven years? Who refuses to protect and defend the Constitution and impeach? D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-S, that's who. You see with Republicans you know the screwing you're going to get. With Democrats, the screwing you get is presented as pleasure. "That could be the end of meaningful elections"? C.D. stop inhaling. The last two elections were meaningless!!! Remember Florida, Ohio, the Supreme Court? Cold turkey! Break the addiction. Which candidate is talking about the criminal war? Nader. Which candidate is talking about defending the US Constitution by impeaching those who destroy it? Nader. Which candidate has a plan for bringing the troops home in the first year? Nader. What is wrong with you people?

Answer: Dick Cheney

Question: What do you call the charm bracelet hanging off your penis piercing?

I will vote for Dennis Kucinich in November. If the DLC wants me to vote for their nominee, then they will have to nominate Dennis Kucinich. If the Democrats lose by one vote in November, maybe they will listen to me next time.