The Left Was Right
They take no satisfaction in knowing that they were right in opposing this ill-fated Iraq war from the outset. All they want is for people to listen to them now.
And what they have to say is this: If we are ever going to get all of our troops out, it will be because of pressure that starts at the grassroots level and works its way up to the top of the political chain - not the other way around.
When the Bush administration was spewing its lies and the mainstream media marched behind in lockstep, trumpeting myths about weapons of mass destruction and fantasies about invading troops being greeted with tossed bouquets, members of the peace movement were trying to warn us not to make what became a mistake of epic proportions.
But America didn't listen. The drumbeat for war was too loud, drowning out the voices of opposition. Shoved to the margins, they were all but invisible. When not being ignored by mainstream media they were on the receiving end of ridicule from squawking chicken hawks.
Before the start of the war, nearly 60 percent of the country supported an invasion of Iraq. An invasion supposedly made necessary by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction and the dictator's close working relationship with Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda terrorist network. An invasion that would cost only about $50 million, we were told, with a majority of the troops expected to be back home within a matter of months.
All of which proved to be untrue.
Now, with 4,000 American soldiers dead and another 30,000 U.S. troops wounded in this conflict, with tens of thousands - and perhaps hundreds of thousands - of Iraqis killed and 4.5 million more displaced, there is no room for gloating by those who urged us not to invade. Instead there is only frustration that their voices were not heard.
After five long and bloody years, the doves aren't despairing. Instead, they are determined.
"We just have to keep going," says Phyllis Aronson. "There is no other choice."
As co-chair of the Huntington Woods Peace, Citizenship & Education Project, Aronson is old enough to have witnessed how public protest helped bring about an end to the Vietnam War more than three decades ago. Memories of that era are like a buoy keeping afloat hopes that another mass movement will succeed in bringing this war to an end.
Public opinion has flipped since the start of the war, with polls showing that about 60 percent of Americans now say that the war was a mistake.
"The peace movement hasn't been marginalized, we've been mainstreamed," says Leslie Cagan, co-chair of the national antiwar coalition United for Peace and Justice.
But the shift in opinion has not resulted in an outpouring of protesters taking to the streets.
Wendy Hamilton, director of the Detroit peace group Swords Into Plowshares is perplexed by the lack of outrage: "Where's the anger? Where's the indignation? Why aren't people saying we were lied to and doing something about it?"
Part of the answer is cynicism, she says. People believe that nothing is going to change as long as George Bush remains in office, so why bother to protest.
"A lot of people, I believe, think that speaking out won't make any difference," she says.
Yousef Rabhi, a 19-year-old sophomore at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, has a similar view.
"A lot of people are fed up with the war. You can see that in the national polls," he says. "But there's a feeling that's like despair. Because the task seems so daunting, some people are afraid to do anything at all."
It doesn't help that the 2006 mid-term elections, which were largely seen as a referendum on the war, resulted in the Democrats taking control of both the U.S. House and Senate - yet the Bush administration has continued to wage war unimpeded by the opposition party.
"The Democrats didn't do what some of us hoped they would do, which was use the power of the purse to force an end to the war," says veteran activist Al Fishman, a board member of the group Peace Action of Michigan. "Not enough of them had the courage to face the accusation that cutting off funding meant that they were deserting the troops in the field."
It's a ridiculous charge, Fishman says. You don't support troops by keeping them in harm's way; you show support by bringing them home.
But 2006 "was just the first step," Fishman says. "We're hoping that 2008 will result in us having a more progressive Congress - not just in terms of ending the war, but also in terms of ending the mind-set that allowed us to get into this war. That's where the struggle is going to continue."
Joel Eckel, executive director of the group Michigan Peaceworks in Ann Arbor, agrees with that assessment. He also thinks that the failure of Democrats after the 2006 election left a "lot of people disheartened and cynical."
Another factor is what might best be described as a feeling of disconnection between everyday life on the home front and the wars under way.
During World War II, gasoline, tires and even food were rationed. Instead of being asked to plant victory gardens and buy war bonds in this conflict, we're urged by our president to hit the stores and visit Disneyland as a show of patriotism.
As for Vietnam, it was the draft that motivated many young people to take to the streets. Trying to bring about an end to the war, for them, was a matter of self-preservation.
This time around, the war - as well as the one in Afghanistan that has been under way since fall 2001 - is being fought by an all-volunteer military and an army of private military contractors.
As a result, say many of the activists we talked with, the war has been reduced to a sort of background noise for the vast majority.
"Because people don't feel directly affected by the war, they tend to tune it out," Eckel says.
But that doesn't mean there isn't a cost we're all paying. Rabhi made that point during a speech Saturday at an anti-war protest in Ann Arbor he helped organize.
"People aren't linking the dots," he explains. "A lot of the students I talk with don't grasp the fact that this is something our generation is going to have to pay for."
There are also other issues, especially here in southeast Michigan, that force attention to be focused elsewhere.
"In this area," Hamilton says, "people have so many other kinds of concerns: Will I keep my job? Will I keep my house? Will I be able to afford college for my kids? These are the things that they are most worried about."
The point Fishman wants to make is that those bread-and-butter economic issues and the war shouldn't be viewed as separate.
When Bill Clinton made his first run for the presidency in 1992, James Carville's now-famous quote - "It's the economy, stupid." - formed the foundation for the campaign's success. But in 2008, Fishman says, that credo is only half right.
"It is not just the economy," he says. "And it is not just the war. Those two issues are inextricably linked."
But that point does not yet seem to have hit home, at least in terms of moving the war to the forefront of people's attention.
This perception was reinforced by recent poll that found only about one-fourth of all Americans were aware that nearly 4,000 of their countrymen have died in the war. The survey results were announced with a headline that declared: "Awareness of Iraq War Fatalities Plummets."
On the other hand, says Wendy Hamilton, there are signs that the public is becoming more concerned about our nation's use of military force. She points out that when the group Peace Action brought arms expert Scott Ritter and media critic Jeff Cohen to this area for a presentation addressing such issues as political propaganda, the Iraq war and the possible invasion of Iran, a standing-room-only crowd of more than 500 turned out.
"Only a few years ago that number would have been much smaller," Hamilton says.
The key to change, the activists say, is not to expect change to happen at the top. Work at the grassroots level involving masses of people is what's needed to alter the direction this country is taking.
It is not enough to just show up at the polls on Election Day. You have to become active and make your voice heard on an ongoing basis. Contact your representatives in Congress. Come out for protests. Circulate petitions. Donate to peace groups.
"In this upcoming election, we're going to be working to put the issue of war and peace in the forefront as much as possible," says Fishman, who has been at this for 60 years. "We're going to be very active in this campaign."
But one important question remains:
How many of us will be with them?
© 2008 The Metro Times
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Show AllCassandra's curse was that she would know the future but that no one would believe her.
I am starting to think that the people orchestrating the future went out of their way to insure than no one listened to her or took her warnings seriously because that has been our history and our experience.
The Fifth Estate has updated "Lies that Led to War" again. The last time they updated it, they included how the Bush administration was trying to use some of the same strategies to convince Americans that we should attack Iran:
The Lies that Led to War
Since the US-led invasion four years ago, the fifth estate has covered Iraq and the war on terror from virtually every angle--the military, media, intellligence, politics--revealing aspects of the story that you didn't find anywhere else.
Now, as the White House warns about the latest threat in the region, this time from Iran, we go back to examine the deception, suspect intelligence, even lies that convinced the world of the rightness of targeting Saddam Hussein.
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/lies/video.html
Hello Odoco,
I agree fully with your approach, the label 'guerrilla strategies' stems from an author who dubbed 'guerrilla marketing' as all ingenious off the beaten track approaches. What I like so much about Commondreams is that you can easily refer to it without scaring off anyone. Most items here are from mainstream, verified sources no one can dismiss as loony. I'd love to see a sample of your ads, if you like email me at chomskyrules mac com (I guess my address gives me away..) Speaking of Noam, one of his few jokes is to mention that something was reported by such well know communist rags as the NYT :)
The title of this article would make a clever bumper sticker.
Remember one thing. As long as enough people are willing to join the armed forces for a steady paycheck and benefit package, the ruling elite will have enogh cannon fodder to perform nefarious tasks for them.
Not until citizens begin to think for themselves, investigate and question the hidden agenda of our so-called "representatives" who serve a small group of people determined to take over this country and plunder the world for it's resources and exploited labor force, the status quo of permanent warefare will continue until other nations rise up and crush the American Empire.
Alliances are forming around the globe. The banking crisis perpetuated by a class of shylocks who worship the gods of greed and selfishness has been felt around the world. "In the fullness of time," the "world's only superbully" will have to pay the piper. It won't be nice.
Yes ddell,
The masses are given the Left label because it connotes weakness and just Bad. Look up the many definitions of left and right and you can see why the ruling class always gets the "Right" label' too.
So this is one of the many challenges we must overcome if possible and it is only a metaphor for how we are under the thumb of the rich and powerful forces and It is good to constantly point this out.
I resent the left label too but because I grew up with it somehow accept it and go on.
We had a great demonstration outside the Federal Building in Downtown Tampa yesterday.
It was very upbeat and peaceful and not one instance of fighting or arguing even.
About 2 hundred of us just stood near the curb and gave the good old peace sign and messages to the passing Rush hour and from the faces in the cars I would say that the vast majority greeted us with smiles or even victory peace signs and thumbs up.
Of the thousands of cars only about ten or so gave us the finger, thumbs down or one guy yelled "Get a life!".
The media was there and were friendly as well as the cops and the Folks working in the Federal building watched and smiled too.
Lots of young folks and many were drawing peace messages on a large boarded black wall on behind the sidewalk opposite the Federal building...
Most of the chanting was the usual "NO Blood for Oil" I suggested "NO MORE BLOOD FOR BUSH"...
Maybe next time... we cannot be defeated united or divided and that is why this is such a long time struggle.
I love odoco's local ad action too.
We went out to Four Green Fields, a great Irish Bar and restaurant after the rally...
It was a great demonstration.... not real big but these days less is more if you know what I mean.
"This World will be saved by millions of small things" Pete Seeger
I saw a little of the debate between ordinary people on "The Newshour" last night. The disabled veteran was an unshakable supporter of the invasion as were several others. They spouted the usual cant of the national security state. Facts about the human and monetary costs of this mass episode of senseless violence were subsumed by their prejudiced worldviews. Our fearless leaders follow that maxim if you repeat it often enough, the public-at-large will believe it. There is always enough wiggle room in any argument (even when there isn't!) by the opposition to stay the course . And so it goes for democracy.
its that liberal media. all their fault.
This "left were right" business is dumb. Were the generals who opposed the war lefties? Was Scott Ritter? How about all the protesters in all the countries of the world who marched before the start of the war? Were they all lefties?
No, they knew it was wrong to invade a country who had nothing to do with 9/11.
All the sane people in the world were right, are right, and are still being ignored.
Our grandchildren-our great grandchildren will be paying off this war debt.
Bush and his cheerleaders have caused more death, more misery, and more destruction in the US and in Iraq-and in the world, actually-than any group I can think of.
These people lack a sense of responsibility and they lack a conscience, as well.
The bush White House-with this war-and (in general) their total lack of competence will go down in history as the worst mistake America has ever made. Some legacy that is.
Not everyone on the right wanted to go to war. Some still want to be wary of foreign entanglements. Even Bush Senior knew it was wrong and stupid, but kept quiet.
This neocon / neoliberal (neofascist) AIPAC paradigm has hijacked the power center of the Republican Party and used that to hijack the White House with that idiot and the big oil man as their front men.
The media spinmeisters are keeping the lies alive, and even what they call the leftist mainstream media is trying to be patriotic and show the best side possible.
I don't think McCain can push it out. The next president has to be a democrat. Hopefully Obama, and hopefully he has a lot of character.
The Neo-Cons have been surprisingly successful in turning all Objective Truth into 'simply opinion', and in winning the defining-the-word-games of spin. Just listen to Junkie-Rush Lie-baugh. Or, same thing, the White House Press. Any true fact that is 'inconvenient', they turn into 'leftist propaganda'.
The Republicans I talk to do not listen to reason AT ALL! They are lost. Like chidren who hold their ears shut and eyes closed, and sing la-la-la-la. They will hold on to their false gods as if their life depended on it. Their minds would implode if they lost the Republican-Capitalist faith, and they would collapse into a puddle of muck in an empty universe. That is what is the matter with Kansas. Their little minds have been twisted too tight by the corporate-fascist spin. The mass American public has a purposely-induced case of Stockholm Syndrome, wherein the victims identify with their own oppressors.
So how do you deal with Republicans and others who will do absolutely anything to deny truth? Including destroy an entire, blameless nation. Including detroy the very biosphere they need to survive. And then they say 'Mistakes' were made, but let's look forward. Well, every crime could be solved that way. Hey murderers, forget about those murders a couple years ago, it doesn't help to talk about them, let's talk about where we go from here.
But it was no mistake. Iraq was burned down by America on purpose. On the one hand the Zionists wanted it done (Lieberman), and on the other hand the corporate-fascist Neo-Cons saw new wealth in it for themselves in an oilfield-grab with privatization of national and international government money and resources in both Iraq and America (Bush, Baker, Cheney and Kissinger - the usual suspects). Oh yeah, they also had an urge to kill that thorn in their side, Saddam. Reference the book, THE SHOCK DOCTRINE. And reference the book, ARMED MADHOUSE.
We have the truth. But we are ruled by the criminals that perpetrated the crimes, and appointed the judges. FAT lot of justice they are going to dole out to themselves!
So being correct means nothing in the face of fascist power. Your voice means shit to the fascists. How many 'shares' of America do you own? One? They own 'millions', and thus they get millions of votes each to your one. That is the corporate-fascist way.
And protesters? Just rabble. Meanwhile, Bush gives his typical "my-decision-that-cost-trillions-of-YOUR-dollars, and murdered literally uncounted-lives, was the finest decision EVER MADE, and I am right because I AM the Decider" speech. Outside, the Winter Soldier Gathering is given a minute on the teevee corporate-propaganda 'news' program to show that 'motley' bunch of 'whiners' go by in wheelchairs and floppy hats.
But the Republican real-estate saleswomen and big-businessmen only want to know how much their tax bill is going to be lowered, and when will the government bailout come for banks, hedge funds (like Mitt Romney's) and overpriced homes. After all, there was the government bailout of the Savings & Loan debacle under Ronny 'Smilin'-Thru-The-Senility' Reagan and Poppy 'The Godfather' Bush. Of course, government state welfare bailouts should only go to the Rich.
Ordinary-folk Republicans do not want the knowledge that their AMERIKA, SuperDooperNation of Goodness, has shot off three BILLION rounds of ammo at Iraquis. And we're only talking rifle ammo here. That doesn't include the nasty depleted radioactive-uranium rounds that have polluted Iraq with radioactive dust, or the cluster bombs or the tank rounds or the cruise missiles, or the... well you get the point.
But all the Republicans are going to vote for that WarMonger McCain anyway. A complete dim-bulb, vain-glorious, hot-tempered blockhead. Who has NO environmental policy (other than 'laissez-faire', or roughly translated, 'fuck it'), self-admittedly NO knowledge of the economy, NO restraint when it comes to defense spending, and is in thrall to that Likud-Party Senator, Lieberman. Don't people know they are voting for More War with Iran and Islam and 'All-Comers' (bring 'em on!) in the world when they vote McCain?
One anti-war Republican is going to vote McCain anyway, "for his own pocketbook, as the Dims will raise taxes" (and this guy has a million in the bank, and still feels he does not have enough)! How do you deal with such people, with totally closed minds, totally self-centered, totally delusional, and totally one-dimensional... and that dimension is "show me the money"?
So... kill people for money. What does that make America? Must we change America's name to Murder, Inc? With our killing machines and criminal leaders, we are the Terrorists now! And it seems many Americans are just fine with that!
Article says, "Before the start of the war, nearly 60 percent of the country supported an invasion of Iraq".
That seems to be bogus reporting, I believe. From what I had read plenty of times, the number was much higher; it was more like 77% of [all] USA'ns supported war on Iraq.
And from what I recall having been reported for the Christian churches alone, Roman Catholics and Presbytarians had similar numbers, while having been the least supportive of all of the Christian churches in the USA; all that were counted anyway. I suppose that that would not have accounted for the Quakers, but maybe the reporting did (?). These two churches, RC and Presb., numbered both between 60 and (nearing) 70 percent, while the others were all above 70%; surely excluding the Quakers, I believe.
In some peoples' minds, there may not seem to be much difference between 60% and 77%, but it was much alright; many more.
I think that the support in Britain was then reported to have been around 60% or 60-65%, noticeably lower than in the USA. Or maybe that was the number of Brits who opposed the launch of the war.
Here is your wake up call Curt: the Democrats did not listen when we swung both Houses to them in 2004. They did not listen when we called for Impeachment. They are not listening now when we call for an exit. Both Obama and Clinton plan calls for 50K to remain in Iraq for the long term. What parallel universe are you living in? The pond scum running congress does not listen to the grass roots they listen to themselves. Wake up lad!
According to one theory, which seems to make more sense than the "domino theory" , at least after Iraq, is that the purpose for the Vietnam War was to conduct an Oil survey for Standard Oil. It was thought Vietnam had vast oil fields off it's coast.
http://www.brojon.org/frontpage/bj050701-3.html
" Ho Chi Minh had been an ally to help fight the Japanese during the war [WW II]......One of the world's largest potential oil fields ran along the coast of the South China Sea right off French Indo-China, now known as Viet Nam..... Laurence Rockefeller ....offered him weapons to drive out the French and then in return Standard would take over the as yet undeveloped offshore fields. But in 1954 when Vietnamese....defeated and drove out the French at Dien Bien Phu, Ho reneged on the deal....Ho Chi Minh would not let Standard Oil simply walk in and walk off with all the Vietnamese oil. So as before, any country which owns the oil is branded as "communist" since they hold the oil as "community property" and won't allow private corporations, like Standard, to develop the fields and steal the oil.
In 1964, after Viet Nam was divided into North and South, and the contrived Gulf of Tonkin incident, several US aircraft carriers were stationed offshore of Viet Nam and the "war" was started.
The US Navy carriers.... [began] Operation Linebacker One, and Standard Oil had begun its ten year oil survey of the seabed off of Viet Nam.... The oil survey hardly cost Standard Oil a nickel, the US taxpayers paid for it.
Fifteen years [after the war], ......... the Vietnamese decided they needed some cash and would allow offshore oil exploration. They divided up their coastal area into many oil lots and let foreign companies bid on the lots, with the proviso that Viet Nam got a cut of the action.
Oil companies from 12 countries put in bids. Norway's Statoil, British Petroleum, Royal Dutch Shell, even Russia, Germany and Australia all put in bids. But when those countries drilled in their oil lots they all came up with dry holes. Only the "American" (Exxon?) company had gushers and since 1990 has pulled billions of dollars out of their Golden Dragon, Blue Lotus, and White Tiger oil fields in the South China Sea off Viet Nam. Coincidence? Were they just lucky? Or did they know something those other oil companies didn't?"
It is true there were protests against the Vietnam War, and the media gladly covered these protests. However, the silent majority backed Nixon, primarily because of the protests, so they supported the war until the survey was winding down and Nixon signed a peace agreement that could have been signed in 1969. The anti-war protests were a convenient excuse to end the war without winning it. In 1973, it was decided to use Oil as a weapon and increase it's price, and so we wanted to increase prices by lowering global access to it, so leaving Vietnam then and isolating it for 15 years served this purpose.
The anti-war protests were infiltrated and sometimes funded by intelligence agencies working on behalf of the powers that be who wanted the war and sought to discredit the protesters, and gain support by the mainstream which was disgusted by some of the acts such as flag burning, same as some of those in the 9/11 Truth movement today with their obnoxious behavior. COINTELPRO was exposed in 1971 and supposedly discontinued, but Reagans Exective Order legalized it against "terrorism". The purpose was simple, divide and rule, just as today. Anyone who disagrees with government is a terrorist to them. 9/11 Truthers, anti-globalists, anti-war, etc. A number of "anti-XXXC" sites have actually been created for this purpose so as to monitor you (not CD, they are cool) . Kissinger was said to have been quoted in last years 2007 Bilderberger meeting that in America we consider as terrorists those who are against globalization.
Those years in 1967 -1973 was a pretty extreme use of divide and rule. They pitted black against white, young against old, men against women, pro-war vs anti-war, and the hated term, "left vs right". In those days, left was on the left and right was on the right. Left and right have synthesized to become essentially one party or ideology, call it you will, but it is a globalist corporate party, one half pretending to be left, the other right. Both of them Marxist to the Core. Communism was meant to be a global enterprise, not Stalins State Communism, and it could only be established when the world was industrialized, that's what Capitalism is good at.
All Capitalists hate competition, so Communism essentially means Global Corporate Rule. The corporations (government) will share the wealth and ownership of the worlds resources, the citizens will work, and in return they get to eat and get shelter. As Stalin said, those who don't work, don't eat.
As far as the Iraq War goes. There is no war, it is an occupation. Once we failed to hand over power to the Iraqi people and used our divide and rule stratgy there, no way can we leave. Oil is important, even if we are no where close to running out of it. It's importance is for those who control access to it to control other nations. Their Empire depends on controlling Oil, Food and the Petrodollar (it does not have to be the USD, they are not loyal to America today, since they are defacto Global Leaders).
Today was a day of mourning.
Thank you Common Dreams for consistently posting relevant and insightful articles. Watching Democracy Now and reading these articles often makes me sad and/or angry, but better that than blissful ignorance.
I sat alone today, by a beautiful river, and tried as best I could to silently bear witness to the suffering that we humans inflict on each other and to ask myself how I can best help alleviate it. For now I mourn for all those beings caught in the devastating web of cruelty, both perpetrator and victim.
I truely believe this president is mentally ill.
Even Einstein invoked the deity when faced with his intellectual limitations when he said "God does not play dice with the universe" in response to quantum theory. Einstein was , of course, wrong . There is no God, and quantum is correct. This illustrates the role God plays in undermining reason, even in a fine mind. To be fair, he was probably being flip.
Mr.Grayling: The political system is a joke.
Well, Ronald Reagan debated for reelection and revealed he had mental problems. In spite of showing the early stages of Alzheimer's he was reelected. How can one blame the political system? I thought for sure he would lose after that performance, but the people did not notice. Now if the people do not notice that the person they have for President has trouble thinking, how can you blame the system? The same applies to George Bush. Clearly, he is a psychopath. Have the people noticed? No, they think calling him a psychopath is an exaggeration. Well, it isn't. He really does have a personality disorder known as antisocial personality disorder. Look it up. The diagnosis is clear. The system is a reflection of the people, and the people are just not very smart. The fact that religion is so big is not a coincidence, it is part of the problem. The problem is a low level of intelligence of which Americans are almost proud.
I just heard that the Imbecile In Chief has "no regrets' about the invasion of Iraq. That would put him in the same category as Theodore Kaczinsky and Charles Manson. No conscience, no regrets, no problem.
My heart sank on Mar 17th 2003, when I instinctively knew we would be dropping all we could on Baghdad on the 19th. What we have done to yet another sovereign nation nauseates me to the core.We must end the madness. However, inspite of our "Mission" we are obligated to the people whose country we have squandered. How are we to recompence? We are obligated to thse people. I stuggle with this enlessly.
Ronald White: It took 3o years of lobbying to end slavery and 50 to get women the vote. this suggests it didn't work. 30 and 50 years is the time it took for other forces to make the difference. Clearly the individuals did not succeed. What ended slavery? Why did women finally get the vote? It wasn't because of Susan B. Anthony. I don't know the answer. Anyone?
tlcs3- About the allies winning world war 2. The allies didn't exactly win because they were defending their homeland. The US wasn't. The war was lost by Germany because their leader screwed up by taking on the Russians. the Russians won the war, the US helped mop up. If Hitler had left Russia alone he would not have lost. The Germans lost because their leader was incompetent.
It should also be noted that in WWII the US was an agressor, not a victim. The US did everything possible to hurt Japan and Germany before they had done anything to the US. Furthermore, the second world war was caused by the terms of the Versaille Treaty which President Wilson made into a punitive treaty which guaranteed the second world war as pointed out at the time by the economist John Keynes. Winston Churchill didn't want the US in WW1 precisely because he saw this coming. The entry of the US changed a tie into a victory, leading to this terrible treaty and WWII. Like Churchill feared. Hitler himself witnessed the travesty of Versaille and was inspired by this to start his struggle to avenge Germany. Blowback again.
Bush's policies have been provably disastrous enough at every level, that a groundswell of fed-up citizens (including the also-threatened mid-level elites), should've brought the Bush Agenda to a halt long ago, propelled by nothing more than common sense.
The fact that Bush & Co.'s hugely unpopular foreign and domestic Agendas continue to be played-out while only perfunctorily criticized by the Democrat front runners, for Prez -- is a telling measure of just how corrupted our country has become.
The corruption isn't simply elitist/institutional; it's also a perceptual corruption on the part of the majority of citizens to instinctively sense, personally aver, and object-to in others (especially government officials), creature-to-creature violations of fundamental human decency.
Can a political/moral chieftan (like some hope Obama would be, if elected president) possibly lead the US public back to a sustainalbe moral/political grounding?
Maybe. But not, I think, unless we-as-individuals first begin in enough numbers to parallel the process of change, personally within.
Darryl...I think they should be given hand grenades to fight with...
I believe that any leaders of countries who want war, should be put into an arena and made to fight it out with their fists. I am pretty sure I understand one leader enough to say he is only good at grandstanding, and would be doing his best to climb the walls of the arena.
It is nice of the writer to give all the credit for being correct about the outcome of the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq to the "left", but I an not quite sure what public ownership of the means of production or support for social assitance(the definition of leftism) has to do with being against the war....I also recall a LOT of righties being against the war too...I mean REAL righties..not fake righties like the neocons.
This today from the Unitard Executive:
"Iraq was supposed to be the place where al-Qaida rallied Arab masses to drive America out," Bush said. "Instead, Iraq has become the place where Arabs joined with Americans to drive al-Qaida out."
Actually, the Sunni organizations that Bush is currently arming, against the elected Iraqi government, are mostly made up of Al Qaeda in Iraq and other Sunni extremists...he doesn't want the civil war stopping before the last drop of oil has been extracted by Haliburton I guess.
"Bush spoke of Saddam's removal as a worthy end in itself, ridding Iraq of Saddam's death squads, torture chambers and rape rooms. "
AND REPLACING THEM WITH AMERICAN DEATH SQUADS, TORTURE CHAMBERS AND RAPE ROOMS...big improvement I am sure.
My dad likes to tell me he's a conservative, he thinks it pisses me off. I asked him why he would align himself with an ideology that is so utterly wrong so often; not just for the last 8 years, but since the formation of political ideation. I then hit him with a litany of all the things liberals have been right about. This lasted until he got pissed and told me to shut up or leave. My point? People can't stand being around people that are right and vocal about it, it only emphasizes how wrong they are.
The insanely greedy bastards that control our military and politicians obviously don't care about right and wrong.
They're very sick junkies who can't get enough money and power.
You have to become active and make your voice heard on an ongoing basis. Contact your representatives in Congress. Come out for protests. Circulate petitions. Donate to peace groups.
Nowhere near good enough. You have to vote the progressive agenda WITH YOUR EXCHANGE/ASSOCIATION.
To illustrate: I made a mistake yesterday. I bought a 50 lb bag of popcorn without realizing until too late that the price had tripled, went from 15 cents/lb to 45 cents/lb. The extra 30 cents went to the petro-capitalists for shipping the popcorn. BAD DEAL!! I didn't realize it until I got the popcorn home but that's a different issue. The point is the price tripled due to the political collusion and financial speculation on the energy market enabled by right wing extremists hijacking the federal government and the devious system they setup (freeway freight over rail freight among many other things) to maximize energy consumption and economic activity.
Now when I go protest, write letters, etc. the capitalists will pretend to listen but what they REALLY listen to is the ka-ching ka-ching of the money falling into their bank accounts for shipping the popcorn. Do you get it? We all have to learn the discipline to starve the capitalists. What should we do? Go talk to our local farmers and contract with them for organic wheat, corn, beans, rice, everything, and much preferably permaculture perennial native tree crops, ok? Get it? GOOD!!!
MUCH MORE regarding Grass Roots Activism and The Left for ALL Roads Lead to Jerusalem, Ramallah, and Occupied Palestine when we talk about the Middle East:
WAWA Blog: The First Day of Spring + Happy Birthday Israel: Company is Coming and they are Carrying UN Flags!
http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=850&Itemid=198
"The 2006 election did not put enough Democrats in to override the inevitable veto..."
This is a lazy , suck-tit excuse ; Democrats with minor exceptions didn't even try . Learn some history about David-versus-Goliath perseverence . Chronologically , William Wilberforce lobbied British Parliament for thirty years ALL ALONE until the slave trade and slavery in general was finally abolished . Florence Nightingale lobbied the same British Parliament and Army for sixty tears to create and maintain the hospital system we take for granted today.
Finally , Susan B.Anthony lobbied Congress , presidents , state legislators ...for fifty years to achieve citizen status for women and died before she could vote herself.
Looking at it another way , without their respective inexhaustible efforts we would still have slavery , stables for getting well and men-voters-only.
odoco ... may I recommend John W. Dean's book, "Broken Government"? Dean was White House Legal Counsel to President Nixon and might carry a little more weight with conservatives.
The only reason war continues is the lack of Draft... if implemented, the majority opposition would stop it in its tracks. That's why the D word has not been brought up.
America will leave, but not for some rational human concept. It will be the factor that staying the course; we'll go bankrupt.
Remember the Soviet Union, they didn't leave Afghanistan because they were beaten militarily. They left because they came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth the cost monitarily. After all Afghanistan would have been a real benefit to the Soviets as it would have given them a closer southern route to the Indian ocean so as to transport their oil and other commerce.
After several years of occupying the country with no plan to pacify the freedom fighters they left. If you will recall it was soon after that the Soviet Union fell. There were many reasons as to why the Soviet Union fell, but the cost of their expansive policies were central to their demise. Occupying nations is expensive when there is opposition in those countries to such occupation. The drain on the treasury was clearly a leading cause to the demise of the Soviet Union.
The drain on the treasury will ultimetly be the undoing of the American fantasies of empire.
For no other reason John McCain is mistaken about being in Iraq for a hundred years, we couldn't afford it.The middle eastern people will keep bleeding us till we can't take it any longer and we leave.
Unfortunitally it will cause much pain to the American people as well. What price freedom!
Hey ardee--It's been awhile. Yes, you are quite correct. Dividing the people is the Borg's number 1 goal, and our history shows just how good they've been at doing just that. Hell, we even do it for them as documented by commentary on this website. For example, the debate between active and passive resistence divides efforts and allows openings for provacateurs. The same is true about torture. The Borg are ruthless and will always use all methods of coercion; they act without discussion or debate as exemplified by Bush's dicta, "You're With us or Against us." The same argument happened in 1917 between the Menschevicks and Bolschevicks. Lenin deposed the Menscheviki because they would be too soft toward those who would "bury us all." We face that same dilemma today.
Wars end when soldiers turn towards their commanders, point their fingers and say, "FUCK YOU!"
But George was Left!
He was left behind the door when they gave out brains. He was left behind the door when they gave out maturity and vision and statesmanship. But no matter, he still became President! How?
Because the American Political System is a complete joke. The Congress and the Senate is owned by Big Business. The Presidential System has enabled all manner of B-grade actors, spivs and morons to rule on behalf of the Rich and the Religiously Deluded!
Time there were some changes made I reckon!
CHANGES?????????? NO, WE SIMPLY COULDN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE'RE AMERICANS.
www.dangerouscreation.com
I am worried that the so called left are again losing sight of why Bush was 'selected' last time. My father, a life long republican, and against the war, still voted for Bush because the 'gay' issue was more important than people dying.
If death doesn't rate higher than some other 'moral' issue, the democrats will again not be able to frame the war issues in their favor.
When the right wins, we will all be left without any rights.
so it goes...
By the way, he would vote for Obama before he votes for Hillary (he will never vote for Hillary, that is the one thing we agree on.)
The disconnect between US citizens and government at all levels is a chasm that would make the Grand Canyon look puny.
The forces that keep the US in Iraq are invisible. A new president won't be worth all that much, because of those invisible forces as well as the impenetrable layers of money which feed and feed off the warmongering ways of the government.
Only an oceanic change in national consciousness will bring an end to this national characteristic of violence. And that change can come about naturally or as a result of some sort of meltdown. As long as people are overly concerned or worried about their own destiny, what sentiments can they have about the national destiny?
The policies of the US government are not arranged to help the people lead better, easier lives. What good do we get for the taxes we pay? A bigger military? More war colleges? A burgeoning defense industry? An ever more wasteful collection of ineffective, inefficient bureaucracies which will never solve any of the nation's woes?
Simply put—there is an alarming lack of coherence in the nation. "Every man for himself" is the overwhelming rule.
Unless people begin to expand their awareness and create peace in their lives, change will come only as a result of catastrophe.
There is hope—but only in the development of wisdom, peace, and inner knowledge.
www.uspeacegovernment.org
ezeflyer March 19th, 2008 11:40 am
It wasn't the left, it was the liberals who were right
I use this as a perfect example of why we are powerless in the face of an obvious impeachable administration, an unwinnable war forced upon us by the lies of that impeachable administration and a complicit and useless opposition party. If anyone cannot understand why it is we sit at home while this goes on, why we do not take to the streets in protest of torture,( torture for crying out loud!) the above comment illustrates to me the reasons.
I do not give a damn whether it is the left, the middle, the center, the top or the bottom that brings ideas and actions to the table, yet we remain apart , we cannot come together because of silliness like this. Sorry ezeflyer, I do not wish to be seen as picking on you, but we need so very much to come together, to bury ideological differences before the neocons bury us all.
Paul Bramscher--I would posit that China is far from being communist. That Mao once used Marxist rhetoric is correct, but today's China is a product of Deng and is little different from previous dynastic forms existing in China's past. To use a modern term, China is Borg/fascist, which is why the US Borg find it very appealing. The US Borg use of anti-China rhetoric is to provide grist for its armaments programs/lifestyle subsidies, as was the prior "Anti-Communist Crusade." You seem to understand there's no war but the Class War by viewing the "Left/Right divide" as a classical case of divide and conquer Machiavellian policy used by the Borg.
The "Left" in America has always been ignored. Every so often, a "Left" idea becomes "centerist" and must be addressed by the Borg, which must maintain the facade of demorcatic-republicanism while ever solidifying its fascism.
If I could, I'd issue a CEASE AND DESIST order against anyone still using the metaphorical "left" and "right" terms. There is NO POINT in retaining that old whored-out axis in a post- Cold War period in which the "right" now advocates for Big Government, deficit spending, reliance on communist/sweatshop labor for its industrial backbone, etc.
"Left" and "right" are totally useless terms.
Let's use powerful/powerless, rich/poor, honest/dishonest, sadistic/compassionate, violent/peaceful, autocratic/democratic, etc. instead.
Until the Dems listen and act as the people wish....shout on and shout loudly.
What good is electing someone to stop a war...if they don't have the balls or integrity to stop it.
Start with not funding the war. Start with impeachment. Start with exposing corruption.
The Dem leaders have to shout as loudly and prolifically as the people do.
In a quiet room even a whisper sounds loud. If that whisper starts others people whispering then pretty soon people would have to raise their voices just to be able to be heard above all the noise being created in that once quiet room.
I think the first comment by odoco is f'kn great! If the media won't say it then you say it. Compared to the powerful reach of their voice, your little voice is but a whisper... ain't it?
The valiant odoco's lone shisper has got some 25,000 others a'whispering... what do you think all that whoopin' and a hollerin' is all about?
25,000 whispers... sounds loud don't it for one person.
Hoorah the valiant odoco! Who first whispered in what was a quiet room, "Why are we being so quiet?"
They all start their apologies for Iraq with the word, "Well...," and not only on the Diane Rehm show, where Diane herself never falls into the "well," i.e., the quagmire of Quaggenbush.
I was in a Winston-Salem bar called Swaim's Grocery, in fact had four beers after watching and hearing all day the testimony of "Winter Soldier," suppressed by the mainstream media all day, too. I heard it at the American Friends Service Committee in Greensboro.
The guy three seats to my right said, "Well, there have been some positive developments."
"No there haven't," I said. "There has not been anything positive in Iraq, not a single thing."
At that moment I noticed silence from one end of the bar to the other, and I decided to leave.
Well, well, well...three holes in the ground. I think that too many bar people in the South, no matter what they pretend, loved Godfather Two and love their bad boy, the impotent, affected northerner Quaggenbush, who kills with impunity-- most often innocent Iraqis.
The winter soldiers-- young Republicans who were educable after all and decided to save their souls, who underwent a conversion of the real type beyond the mental and emotional capability of any Quaggenbush-- they are the patriots. The willingly limited rest are traitors.
And General (Lord!) Petraeus, who unlike the winter soldiers commands the major newspapers and the airwaves, makes pretty good sense if you are another traitor to the United States as moronic as McCain or Quaggenbush. Petraeus says on PBS, "Yes the former insurgents whom we went out of our way to work with will remain quiet as long as they feel it's in their interest. There have been improvements, but they are reversible. We have a lot of work to do."
You bet you do, babe, a hundred year's worth, but it will take you longer than that to bring back the children and the second million of innocent dead persons you now are working on.
"Well that's war, so what do you expect?"
"No war and no occupation and not two million gratuitous deaths. Oh, do you have a spare bandaid? Excuse me, sir, could you tell me which Iraqis the soldiers and the contractors should kill today? I know some of the soldiers, and they were wondering...they asked me to ask."
That is the reality: People like Bush, McCain and Petraeus. To say they knoweth not what they do is understatement that leaves out the word "fuck."
Get out now. Pull every American. Is there a single Russian left in Afghanistan? I don't think so. The Russians in that instance at least, if not in Chechnya, were finally able to reverse their ever increasing mistake.
"Quark"
First, my ads are not guerrilla tactics - they are openly placed, personally, by myself in my hometown, very conservative newspaper. That is the point - it is open and honest and forthright. The articles always deal with verifiable, reliable sources of information - and almost always at odds with the conservative mouthpieces our folks usually have to bear.
Secondly, the ads are apolitical - they are issue-oriented - they do not espouse one political party over the other - and the quotes are from famous folks whose integrity and patriotism are above reproach - even by the right wingers. I try to list books that have been awarded national and/or international acclaim, again, making my sources factually above reproach.
Character, honesty and integrity have to be the hallmarks of our struggle. If we 'play the game' in the same fashion that the politicians play it - they will win, not just now, but always.
This struggle is about the soul of this nation. It is about the kind of country, and yes - world, that we wish our children and grandchildren to live in. That is why character and honesty are so important; if we choose the other road, the final destination for our kids will be a worse one than we have created for ourselves.
We must listen to the "Winter Soldiers" whose courageous openness to expose their participation with their commanders' support
to commit mahem killing of innocent people needs to be heard all over the country =-through the press, TV, congressional leaders. It's vital for the people to know what happens to our soldiers who are trained to become hired killers.This is what is happening in our 5 years of occupation-
There is no time to determine if a person is inmocent--the drive to avoid being killed leads to shooting first.That mind set is terribly destructive -hence the confessions of the winter soldier.
This war is unnecessary. If it were necessary, we would all be feeling its impact. There would have to be a draft, there would be tax increases, there would be jobs to fill here, everyone would have a part.
We also can't win this war. We won WWII because we (the Allies) were defending against outside aggressors. Outsiders really can't win on foreign lands. Occupations always end. We didn't win the VietNam war though we won every battle. We won't win this one either.
We invaded, we occupy, we will lose - because the government isn't fighting to win - they are fighting to fight. Instability and conflict are a money pit - and the winners are the contractors. We are fighting for Exxon, for Halliburton etal. They are happy to continue this war as long as they can.
The sad thing is that these ideas cannot be told to a large subgroup of Americans. They think "We cannot lose. We are number one. We are good, they are (insert dehumanizing term). We fight for freedom. We fight for democracy."
In truth we fight for capitalist interests. We fight to keep us afraid of our enemies. We fight to feel strong and patriotic.
We fight and we lose our Constitution, our value system, our souls.
To pick up on the irony of the title, the left was right but it continues to be ignored because in order for the left to be noticed it cannot just be "right", it must also be "radical" in its analysis. This it is either too scared or too ignorant to do.
The truth is that it is not just enough to be correct (or "right")one must also be pointed in ones analysis of the hypocrisies of the opposition.
A good [place to start would be to demand that "sacrifice" be shared by our cash drunk corporations by having them, pay war-time tax rates that were imposed during WWII and that the term "war profiteer" be reintroduced into the vocabulary of public discourse with the same status as "child molester" or "animal abuser".
A good next step might be to demand that any representative or senator who themselves or whose children are of military service age and not on active duty during war time be branded publicly for their inconsistency and any votes for military action they make be thrown in their faces as rank hypocrisy.
(Think of the numerous anti-gay statements by the former Mayor of Spokane WA caught trolling at gay chat-rooms or Sen Larry Craig's "wide and principled stance" in the stalls of the Minneapolis Airport.)
The Liberals were right about this war and the Vietnam war. They were also right about out of
control capitalism and Global Warming. Riverman...... If you want to talk about corrupt politicians
and Con men, why don't you vent your Anger at the bush administration.
Naturally the left was right is right and always will be right. Due to the rights' arrogance, ignorance, greed and bloodthirsty desire to kill as many people as possible in the name of Judeo-Christianity - it has cost the USA trillions. Meanwhile, the economic dynamics happening in the USA is the antithesis of Robin Hood and it is the right's fault that this is happening also. I really want the GOP and the neo-cons to never govern again for the damage they have done to this nation - the quite real divide created by them. As I have said many times before, people like the right have been punished througout Human History precisely by the same actions that right-wing ideologues are doing - on purpose no less.
There was this guy I saw representing the CATO Institute. Scum like this guy, forgot his name, is claiming that the USA Government should NOT control ITS Economy! Who does this person think he is anyways? That is a very psychotic opinion. Most contries throughout the world control their own Economies. In fact, it is due to the USA Government decision to privatize and de-regulate most of its economy as to the reasons why many Americans are losing their jobs and homes. This same guy put down Germany and France for being a "welfare state" and were critical of both of this nations for their "economic stagnation." No doubt the Republicans and neo-cons believe this scenario is just fine. The Germans and the French may have economic stagnation and may be taxed to death. You know what though?They can eat, they can go to school, they can see a doctor, and they have a roof over their head. For both nations adopted many Socialist policies you see? Europeans in general seem to be doing just fine - except in former Yugoslavia of course. Besides, the Euro is worth about 1.50 to the USA Dollar, so they must be doing something right.
Hopefully, the USA will adopt more Socialist policies into law. At least have complete regulation of the USA Economy. The so-called "free market" and the consequences of globalization is what is causing part of the problem. That and spending most Federal tax dollars on the Department of Offense oh excuse me I meant the Department of Defense.
Personally ..and I hope others do not feel this way..and I hope I am wrong..but I have a low opinion of Americans now as a group.
Exactly what has to happen before people wake up? There has been a war of choice for economic gain and it was supported by lies from a president and his cabinet. Torture has been legalized. There is a mortgage crisis. Many Americans are losing health care.
David Ignatius wrote a column in today's Washington Post wondering what would happen if the federal buy outs failed.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/18/AR2008031802595.html
"The Fed has pledged itself to a rescue package whose ultimate scope is unknown but that will put at risk the nation's most precious asset, which is the Fed's credibility. How much bad debt will the Fed have to assume? Nobody knows."
Gee poor CEOs..maybe they would lose their astronomically high salaries.
And average Americans ...where are they while this is going on ? In recent polls McCain would beat Obama.
What can I say...I have a low opinion of Americans now.
Nixon needed the Vietnam War for re-election. (Never change horses in the middle of a stream.)
Nixon needed the Vietnam War for diplomacy with the Russians and the Chinese.
Nixon only gave up the Vietnam War in a belated attempt to build up some public support as the Watergate hearings unraveled his administration.
Pressure there was, but since it only came from the public, it didn't count.
The failure to end this war is not the fault of the neo-cons who started it. Failure to stop this war falls squarely at the feet of Nancy Pelosi.
In the face of Bush vetoes & stonewalling by congressional republicans she could have chosen to not send any more funding bills forward--after all, she's unilaterally taken impeachment off the table; she could take war funding off the table just as easily. But she didn't.
When the war propaganda machine turned up the heat, she could have met with our Generals and told them to have our troops hunker down in the 14 bases we've built until the planes arrived to bring them home. But she didn't.
She could have taken a stand. But she didn't.
She could have shown some courage. But she hasn't.
You want to help end this war? Help Cindy Sheehan defeat Nancy Pelosi this Fall.
Quark, hello!
I hope you include such books as Robert Parry's "Neck Deep" and Dahr Jamail's "Beyond the Green Zone" when writing to the editors! I couldn't help the flow of tears while reading one section in Beyond the Green Zone! Poor soldiers who did the dirty work there, but also very important to imagine one of our small towns destroyed, along with many of its citizens, as in the destruction of Fallujah! Keep up the good work........
Dear Odoco,
I hope you don't mind me doing so but your action putting ads into the local paper is fantastic and I've just sent the editors this letter:
Dear editors,
I just read your headline story "The Left was Right" and the very first comment had this to say:
Simple tools: I put ads in our hometown newspaper about twice a month. I identify progressive websites, significant books, and timely quotes. These are seen by about 25,000 households in our little area. Any group could do this, and it has had astounding results with respect to helping people find resources to educate themselves.
The Right Wing hates it when confronted with the truth, or with reason, or with logic. Don't just educate yourselves, educate everyone, and believe that at least some of them will respond in kind.
Please contact the author, s/he goes by the nickname Odoco, to ask her to write a short report about this action. I think it is a fantastic idea that people can emulate.
Or find an author to compile a number of ingenious and effective 'guerrilla media strategies'.
I meet progressives every day who have never heard of Commondreams, and that's a pity. You should conceive a separate pages that gives people suggestions on how to promote the site. Here's a strategy I proposed to you years ago when I first encountered Commondreams:
Suggest people create an email signature that says something like this:
"I made http://commondreams.org my internet start page. It's a progressive news portal that pulls together articles on important subjects of the day. I especially like their use of first rate British newspapers which offer a sober and unintimidated outsider's view of US affairs. Our media are free but it's amazing how many fact based articles with key information that concerns all of us get sidelined or ignored. Commondreams puts them front and center."
Sincerely
odoco - I love your idea about putting ads in the local newspaper. brilliant. i'm going to start doing that. thank you!
One thing I've started doing is, whenever I get a mindless forward of some right-wing screed from anyone, I reply with a thoughtful, and thought-provoking column from Common Dreams or another source. If the 'friend' who sent the e-mail to me is uber-religious, I'll sometimes send something from Sojourner. It's amazing how offended some of them act. They think it's perfectly fine to bombard my in box with right-wing drivel, but when I send something with any intellectual heft that isn't a mirror-image of their predigested pap, they get highly incensed. My hope is that at some point maybe some of it will seep into their closed little mind and perhaps plant a seed.
anwong is right. Mob rule always prevails, and the mob is an eternal idiot. Be thankful that you stand outside the mob and that you have held your brain relatively free of groupthink. Be thankful you have the gift of prophesy. Educate your children to enjoy the same lights and freedoms. But don't entertain the expectation that you are going to enlighten this mob, either from the top down or from the bottom up. It has never been done. Our best hope is that the beast implodes around the vanishing of its imaginary money and becomes defanged, mediocre and quaint, that it finds a vocation appropriate to simpleminded yokels, say, posing for tourist photos next to donkey carts.
If the surge is such a phenomenal success, then why can't we take the troops out?
Actually, there is a pretty easy way to determine the number of troops needed to truly insure no further violence in Iraq. Simply multiply the number of Iraq and Afghan residents times three. That way, there will be armed soldiers on 8 hour shifts guarding every individual in those countries 24 hours a day.
Of course, you might need some extras on top of that to feed, supply, house, transport and administer such troops plus some more to allow then a little vacation time, but since when did concern for our troops interfere with Republican goals.
That proposal makes at least as much sense as Bush's failed policies or McCain's vow to leave troops there a hundred years.
ClassAct,
Who says? It is widely said that the media lost the Vietnam War for America because it made Americans outraged about the war and very difficult to govern. Pressures on leaders were intense by the end of the war.
In regard to our current state of strong opposition to this war, I see half hope, half despair. We do indeed see frustrated citizens, spending much time and energy protesting and spreading the word to the oblivious about this crime infested war. This in itself has been quite strenuous considering that before the war had begun, many of the oblivious citizens were for invading. These certain voters, in part, had sadly only chose to receive information via fluffed out news sources. Like canuckchuck stated, "The war will be over in two weeks, pay for itself,and we will be greeted with flowers as liberators!!" Even if people who were opposed to war at the start had become fooled thinking there was some sort of justification here. What my point is most centering on is that it seems as though nothing in regard to opposition and protesting of the war is getting us anywhere. However, in just this past year, there has indeed been a high-rising spreading of the word about the truth of what is really occuring in Iraq. This appears to be the slowest process when outraged people feel as though nothing is helping and their fight against an immoral war has been at a standstill. I disagree with this. The more educated and aware these once ignorant citizens become, the more hope we are able to gain. Hope is the key. It also seems all that we have left going for us.
Keep spreading the word, never give up or give in. For those who believe peace is the way, keep fighting to motivate and innovate.
Protests did not shorten the Vietnam War by a single day.
OHHHH, what has happened to us? It seems that just 4 short years ago we had real worries like those damn tax-hiking, government-expanding, latte-drinking, sushi-eating, Volvo-driving, New York Times-reading, Hollywood-loving, left-wing freak show liberals taking over and fucking up our family values. Now those were real issues!
Now, all we have to worry about is that we have lost all credibility world-wide, our economy is tanking faster than the fed can bail it out, the war continues, the middle class is getting screwed, the environment is being trashed, and all corporate oversite has been removed.
Are the democrats once again going to let the right frame the debate? It's not just the war, it everything. Conservative policies are bad, and if we can't point that out now I don't know when we will be able to. Free market policies will put us here everytime.
I hate to sound so gloomy and pessimistic, but America is not going to be leaving Iraq in the forseeable future, even under a Democratic administration. In spite of lie after lie over the past 5 years, the liars still control the narrative of this war for the American people and the main stream media continues to cooperate. This goes on to this very day with the mendacity of Mr. Cheney's statements in Iraq yesterday, and of Mr. Bush's today. I do not see how any of this is going to change.
In spite of the divided, ungovernable, and increasingly dangerous nature of Iraq over the past year, more and more are convinced that the "surge" is working and "success" is possible. Watch McCain ride into the White House on the narrative of victory culture that resonates so deeply in the American spirit. "We're number 1!" Or watch a Clinton or Obama administration caving into these same impulses in the end as did the Congress elected in 2006, the majority of whom became elected by pledging to end the war.
Even if America leaves Iraq, the resulting problems and blowback will not be blamed upon those who prosecuted and supported this war, but directed against those who opposed it and somehow did not let America "win," whatever in the world that means. This will be a likely replay of the Vietnam revision narrative of Mr. Reagan, who called that criminal debacle a "noble cause" that American forces were never allowed to "win." It was just those terrible antiwar protesters and hippies who spit on all those returning vets that caused us the loss and disgrace, wasn't it?
America never learned from that war, and it will not learn from Iraq. These false narratives will go on to confuse or convince the American public until the economic crisis of national insolvency brought on by the cost of empire occurs. Only then will this whole, sad chapter come to a close.
"The battle in Iraq has been longer and harder and more costly than we anticipated," Bush said.
Maybe longer, harder and more costly than HE anticipated...I seem to recall millions of people protesting around the planet prior to the start of the war, who were DEAD RIGHT.
"The war will be over in two weeks, pay for itself, and we will be greeted with flowers as liberators!!" - Wolfowitz, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Perle, et al.
It is not just the "left" that is against the war, but anyone with an operational brainstem.
jpbreeze: You point out something very important--the sense of impotence we progressives feel when our message either doesn't get out because of corporate media monopoly or because it isn't received by a populace that is bought off with gavernment/corporate propaganda and bread and circuses. In some other countries government reacts when people protest in an organized way. Here nothing happens. Some of us who are older than 50 remember a time when protests actually led to changes here.
Guyette sez: "... This perception was reinforced by recent poll that found only about one-fourth of all Americans were aware that nearly 4,000 of their countrymen have died in the war."
That is 21st century Pox Americana in a nutshell. Let's see where else there might be an awareness deficit ...
Bush = 25%
McSame = Bush
ergo,
McSame = 45+%
(We all, of course, will be shocked — shocked! — when that McSame percentage is 50.5 in November)
odoco, I wish you well with your education campaign. You have chosen a daunting task.
It wasn't the left, it was the liberals who were right.
I think that most of us get frustrated when watchinig someone such as the President or his Vice completely lying while talking into the television set. When Bush says "Americans want" or "Americans believe", this is where we get frustrated the most. We can't shout him down, call him a liar to his face, or even email the White House with our concerns, he is never allowed to read them anyway, (unless they are the fawning type).
Our frustration comes out of not having a voice to be heard. Consider last years' FCC hearings on Media Consolidation. Thousands of people voiced their concerns, thinking they were being heard, but what did we learn after all of this?, that Chairman Martin was never even listening. He had already made up his mind to do what the Corporations wanted him to do.
One final note. The only thing the 'war planners' got right at the beginning was when they decided to change the war acronym from OIL (Operation Iraqi Liberation) to OIF, (Operation Iraqi Freedom), as they knew what the former would have suggested, so you see, they are not ALL idiots!
Turn off monopoly television.
Spend your time online.
Share information and motivation.
Elect better leaders.
Be confident in our ability to live in peace.
The war was based on lies and the false flag attack of 9/11. It has been fought with borrowed money. The war has had the effect of destroying two countries that were already on the ropes from decades of foreign meddleing, while at the same time destroying our own country financially. At this time I don't even know who is running our country. We have the neo-con whitehouse, our secret agencies [who are not answerable to anyone seemingly]. the Jewish lobby, foreign and domestic financial and corporate interest.
The only way the American public is involved is that we are the one being stuck with the bill. Responsible citizen's who have tried to save money have seen theri efforts undercut by an out of control Federal reserve. Their answer to the debt problem is to turn the money worthless. Hyper inflation will shrink the debt to nothing, problem solved. Well their problem maybe, the ones they created. It won't solve the citzen's problem's, it will only make your money worthless. The money you saved, the money you need to buy stuff with.
The 2006 election did not put enough Democrats in to override the inevitable veto on everything they would come up with to end the war. The public seems to accept everything cranked out by the Republican spin doctors. The media are too busy analyzing such things as Paul McCartney's divorce settlement to do their job. Other than Bill Moyers, who is bringing the truth to the public? No wonder there is so much despair.
It wasn't about rationality and listening and who was right--it was about corporations that made money off the war. It was about a government that PLANNED the war and EXECUTED it because they believed that they needed OIL as is evidenced by the activities of Cheney's Energy Group and his statements about oil prior to the war. To this day, the US government is there to FORCE the Iraqi government to sign PSAs, production service agreements with the oil companies.
OIL. OIL. OIL.
The US public has been duped by the corporate state and it is the biggest fraud, the biggest crime ever committed. From start to finish.
Simple tools: I put ads in our hometown newspaper about twice a month. I identify progressive websites, significant books, and timely quotes. These are seen by about 25,000 households in our little area. Any group could do this, and it has had astounding results with respect to helping people find resources to educate themselves.
The Right Wing hates it when confronted with the truth, or with reason, or with logic. Don't just educate yourselves, educate everyone, and believe that at least some of them will respond in kind.