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The Left Was Right
They take no satisfaction in knowing that they were right in opposing this ill-fated Iraq war from the outset. All they want is for people to listen to them now.
And what they have to say is this: If we are ever going to get all of our troops out, it will be because of pressure that starts at the grassroots level and works its way up to the top of the political chain - not the other way around.
When the Bush administration was spewing its lies and the mainstream media marched behind in lockstep, trumpeting myths about weapons of mass destruction and fantasies about invading troops being greeted with tossed bouquets, members of the peace movement were trying to warn us not to make what became a mistake of epic proportions.
But America didn't listen. The drumbeat for war was too loud, drowning out the voices of opposition. Shoved to the margins, they were all but invisible. When not being ignored by mainstream media they were on the receiving end of ridicule from squawking chicken hawks.
Before the start of the war, nearly 60 percent of the country supported an invasion of Iraq. An invasion supposedly made necessary by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction and the dictator's close working relationship with Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda terrorist network. An invasion that would cost only about $50 million, we were told, with a majority of the troops expected to be back home within a matter of months.
All of which proved to be untrue.
Now, with 4,000 American soldiers dead and another 30,000 U.S. troops wounded in this conflict, with tens of thousands - and perhaps hundreds of thousands - of Iraqis killed and 4.5 million more displaced, there is no room for gloating by those who urged us not to invade. Instead there is only frustration that their voices were not heard.
After five long and bloody years, the doves aren't despairing. Instead, they are determined.
"We just have to keep going," says Phyllis Aronson. "There is no other choice."
As co-chair of the Huntington Woods Peace, Citizenship & Education Project, Aronson is old enough to have witnessed how public protest helped bring about an end to the Vietnam War more than three decades ago. Memories of that era are like a buoy keeping afloat hopes that another mass movement will succeed in bringing this war to an end.
Public opinion has flipped since the start of the war, with polls showing that about 60 percent of Americans now say that the war was a mistake.
"The peace movement hasn't been marginalized, we've been mainstreamed," says Leslie Cagan, co-chair of the national antiwar coalition United for Peace and Justice.
But the shift in opinion has not resulted in an outpouring of protesters taking to the streets.
Wendy Hamilton, director of the Detroit peace group Swords Into Plowshares is perplexed by the lack of outrage: "Where's the anger? Where's the indignation? Why aren't people saying we were lied to and doing something about it?"
Part of the answer is cynicism, she says. People believe that nothing is going to change as long as George Bush remains in office, so why bother to protest.
"A lot of people, I believe, think that speaking out won't make any difference," she says.
Yousef Rabhi, a 19-year-old sophomore at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, has a similar view.
"A lot of people are fed up with the war. You can see that in the national polls," he says. "But there's a feeling that's like despair. Because the task seems so daunting, some people are afraid to do anything at all."
It doesn't help that the 2006 mid-term elections, which were largely seen as a referendum on the war, resulted in the Democrats taking control of both the U.S. House and Senate - yet the Bush administration has continued to wage war unimpeded by the opposition party.
"The Democrats didn't do what some of us hoped they would do, which was use the power of the purse to force an end to the war," says veteran activist Al Fishman, a board member of the group Peace Action of Michigan. "Not enough of them had the courage to face the accusation that cutting off funding meant that they were deserting the troops in the field."
It's a ridiculous charge, Fishman says. You don't support troops by keeping them in harm's way; you show support by bringing them home.
But 2006 "was just the first step," Fishman says. "We're hoping that 2008 will result in us having a more progressive Congress - not just in terms of ending the war, but also in terms of ending the mind-set that allowed us to get into this war. That's where the struggle is going to continue."
Joel Eckel, executive director of the group Michigan Peaceworks in Ann Arbor, agrees with that assessment. He also thinks that the failure of Democrats after the 2006 election left a "lot of people disheartened and cynical."
Another factor is what might best be described as a feeling of disconnection between everyday life on the home front and the wars under way.
During World War II, gasoline, tires and even food were rationed. Instead of being asked to plant victory gardens and buy war bonds in this conflict, we're urged by our president to hit the stores and visit Disneyland as a show of patriotism.
As for Vietnam, it was the draft that motivated many young people to take to the streets. Trying to bring about an end to the war, for them, was a matter of self-preservation.
This time around, the war - as well as the one in Afghanistan that has been under way since fall 2001 - is being fought by an all-volunteer military and an army of private military contractors.
As a result, say many of the activists we talked with, the war has been reduced to a sort of background noise for the vast majority.
"Because people don't feel directly affected by the war, they tend to tune it out," Eckel says.
But that doesn't mean there isn't a cost we're all paying. Rabhi made that point during a speech Saturday at an anti-war protest in Ann Arbor he helped organize.
"People aren't linking the dots," he explains. "A lot of the students I talk with don't grasp the fact that this is something our generation is going to have to pay for."
There are also other issues, especially here in southeast Michigan, that force attention to be focused elsewhere.
"In this area," Hamilton says, "people have so many other kinds of concerns: Will I keep my job? Will I keep my house? Will I be able to afford college for my kids? These are the things that they are most worried about."
The point Fishman wants to make is that those bread-and-butter economic issues and the war shouldn't be viewed as separate.
When Bill Clinton made his first run for the presidency in 1992, James Carville's now-famous quote - "It's the economy, stupid." - formed the foundation for the campaign's success. But in 2008, Fishman says, that credo is only half right.
"It is not just the economy," he says. "And it is not just the war. Those two issues are inextricably linked."
But that point does not yet seem to have hit home, at least in terms of moving the war to the forefront of people's attention.
This perception was reinforced by recent poll that found only about one-fourth of all Americans were aware that nearly 4,000 of their countrymen have died in the war. The survey results were announced with a headline that declared: "Awareness of Iraq War Fatalities Plummets."
On the other hand, says Wendy Hamilton, there are signs that the public is becoming more concerned about our nation's use of military force. She points out that when the group Peace Action brought arms expert Scott Ritter and media critic Jeff Cohen to this area for a presentation addressing such issues as political propaganda, the Iraq war and the possible invasion of Iran, a standing-room-only crowd of more than 500 turned out.
"Only a few years ago that number would have been much smaller," Hamilton says.
The key to change, the activists say, is not to expect change to happen at the top. Work at the grassroots level involving masses of people is what's needed to alter the direction this country is taking.
It is not enough to just show up at the polls on Election Day. You have to become active and make your voice heard on an ongoing basis. Contact your representatives in Congress. Come out for protests. Circulate petitions. Donate to peace groups.
"In this upcoming election, we're going to be working to put the issue of war and peace in the forefront as much as possible," says Fishman, who has been at this for 60 years. "We're going to be very active in this campaign."
But one important question remains:
How many of us will be with them?
© 2008 The Metro Times



76 Comments so far
Show AllSimple tools: I put ads in our hometown newspaper about twice a month. I identify progressive websites, significant books, and timely quotes. These are seen by about 25,000 households in our little area. Any group could do this, and it has had astounding results with respect to helping people find resources to educate themselves.
The Right Wing hates it when confronted with the truth, or with reason, or with logic. Don't just educate yourselves, educate everyone, and believe that at least some of them will respond in kind.
It wasn't about rationality and listening and who was right--it was about corporations that made money off the war. It was about a government that PLANNED the war and EXECUTED it because they believed that they needed OIL as is evidenced by the activities of Cheney's Energy Group and his statements about oil prior to the war. To this day, the US government is there to FORCE the Iraqi government to sign PSAs, production service agreements with the oil companies.
OIL. OIL. OIL.
The US public has been duped by the corporate state and it is the biggest fraud, the biggest crime ever committed. From start to finish.
The 2006 election did not put enough Democrats in to override the inevitable veto on everything they would come up with to end the war. The public seems to accept everything cranked out by the Republican spin doctors. The media are too busy analyzing such things as Paul McCartney's divorce settlement to do their job. Other than Bill Moyers, who is bringing the truth to the public? No wonder there is so much despair.
The war was based on lies and the false flag attack of 9/11. It has been fought with borrowed money. The war has had the effect of destroying two countries that were already on the ropes from decades of foreign meddleing, while at the same time destroying our own country financially. At this time I don't even know who is running our country. We have the neo-con whitehouse, our secret agencies [who are not answerable to anyone seemingly]. the Jewish lobby, foreign and domestic financial and corporate interest.
The only way the American public is involved is that we are the one being stuck with the bill. Responsible citizen's who have tried to save money have seen theri efforts undercut by an out of control Federal reserve. Their answer to the debt problem is to turn the money worthless. Hyper inflation will shrink the debt to nothing, problem solved. Well their problem maybe, the ones they created. It won't solve the citzen's problem's, it will only make your money worthless. The money you saved, the money you need to buy stuff with.
Turn off monopoly television.
Spend your time online.
Share information and motivation.
Elect better leaders.
Be confident in our ability to live in peace.
I think that most of us get frustrated when watchinig someone such as the President or his Vice completely lying while talking into the television set. When Bush says "Americans want" or "Americans believe", this is where we get frustrated the most. We can't shout him down, call him a liar to his face, or even email the White House with our concerns, he is never allowed to read them anyway, (unless they are the fawning type).
Our frustration comes out of not having a voice to be heard. Consider last years' FCC hearings on Media Consolidation. Thousands of people voiced their concerns, thinking they were being heard, but what did we learn after all of this?, that Chairman Martin was never even listening. He had already made up his mind to do what the Corporations wanted him to do.
One final note. The only thing the 'war planners' got right at the beginning was when they decided to change the war acronym from OIL (Operation Iraqi Liberation) to OIF, (Operation Iraqi Freedom), as they knew what the former would have suggested, so you see, they are not ALL idiots!
It wasn't the left, it was the liberals who were right.
Guyette sez: "... This perception was reinforced by recent poll that found only about one-fourth of all Americans were aware that nearly 4,000 of their countrymen have died in the war."
That is 21st century Pox Americana in a nutshell. Let's see where else there might be an awareness deficit ...
Bush = 25%
McSame = Bush
ergo,
McSame = 45+%
(We all, of course, will be shocked — shocked! — when that McSame percentage is 50.5 in November)
odoco, I wish you well with your education campaign. You have chosen a daunting task.
jpbreeze: You point out something very important--the sense of impotence we progressives feel when our message either doesn't get out because of corporate media monopoly or because it isn't received by a populace that is bought off with gavernment/corporate propaganda and bread and circuses. In some other countries government reacts when people protest in an organized way. Here nothing happens. Some of us who are older than 50 remember a time when protests actually led to changes here.
"The battle in Iraq has been longer and harder and more costly than we anticipated," Bush said.
Maybe longer, harder and more costly than HE anticipated...I seem to recall millions of people protesting around the planet prior to the start of the war, who were DEAD RIGHT.
"The war will be over in two weeks, pay for itself, and we will be greeted with flowers as liberators!!" - Wolfowitz, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Perle, et al.
It is not just the "left" that is against the war, but anyone with an operational brainstem.
I hate to sound so gloomy and pessimistic, but America is not going to be leaving Iraq in the forseeable future, even under a Democratic administration. In spite of lie after lie over the past 5 years, the liars still control the narrative of this war for the American people and the main stream media continues to cooperate. This goes on to this very day with the mendacity of Mr. Cheney's statements in Iraq yesterday, and of Mr. Bush's today. I do not see how any of this is going to change.
In spite of the divided, ungovernable, and increasingly dangerous nature of Iraq over the past year, more and more are convinced that the "surge" is working and "success" is possible. Watch McCain ride into the White House on the narrative of victory culture that resonates so deeply in the American spirit. "We're number 1!" Or watch a Clinton or Obama administration caving into these same impulses in the end as did the Congress elected in 2006, the majority of whom became elected by pledging to end the war.
Even if America leaves Iraq, the resulting problems and blowback will not be blamed upon those who prosecuted and supported this war, but directed against those who opposed it and somehow did not let America "win," whatever in the world that means. This will be a likely replay of the Vietnam revision narrative of Mr. Reagan, who called that criminal debacle a "noble cause" that American forces were never allowed to "win." It was just those terrible antiwar protesters and hippies who spit on all those returning vets that caused us the loss and disgrace, wasn't it?
America never learned from that war, and it will not learn from Iraq. These false narratives will go on to confuse or convince the American public until the economic crisis of national insolvency brought on by the cost of empire occurs. Only then will this whole, sad chapter come to a close.
OHHHH, what has happened to us? It seems that just 4 short years ago we had real worries like those damn tax-hiking, government-expanding, latte-drinking, sushi-eating, Volvo-driving, New York Times-reading, Hollywood-loving, left-wing freak show liberals taking over and fucking up our family values. Now those were real issues!
Now, all we have to worry about is that we have lost all credibility world-wide, our economy is tanking faster than the fed can bail it out, the war continues, the middle class is getting screwed, the environment is being trashed, and all corporate oversite has been removed.
Are the democrats once again going to let the right frame the debate? It's not just the war, it everything. Conservative policies are bad, and if we can't point that out now I don't know when we will be able to. Free market policies will put us here everytime.
Protests did not shorten the Vietnam War by a single day.
In regard to our current state of strong opposition to this war, I see half hope, half despair. We do indeed see frustrated citizens, spending much time and energy protesting and spreading the word to the oblivious about this crime infested war. This in itself has been quite strenuous considering that before the war had begun, many of the oblivious citizens were for invading. These certain voters, in part, had sadly only chose to receive information via fluffed out news sources. Like canuckchuck stated, "The war will be over in two weeks, pay for itself,and we will be greeted with flowers as liberators!!" Even if people who were opposed to war at the start had become fooled thinking there was some sort of justification here. What my point is most centering on is that it seems as though nothing in regard to opposition and protesting of the war is getting us anywhere. However, in just this past year, there has indeed been a high-rising spreading of the word about the truth of what is really occuring in Iraq. This appears to be the slowest process when outraged people feel as though nothing is helping and their fight against an immoral war has been at a standstill. I disagree with this. The more educated and aware these once ignorant citizens become, the more hope we are able to gain. Hope is the key. It also seems all that we have left going for us.
Keep spreading the word, never give up or give in. For those who believe peace is the way, keep fighting to motivate and innovate.
ClassAct,
Who says? It is widely said that the media lost the Vietnam War for America because it made Americans outraged about the war and very difficult to govern. Pressures on leaders were intense by the end of the war.
If the surge is such a phenomenal success, then why can't we take the troops out?
Actually, there is a pretty easy way to determine the number of troops needed to truly insure no further violence in Iraq. Simply multiply the number of Iraq and Afghan residents times three. That way, there will be armed soldiers on 8 hour shifts guarding every individual in those countries 24 hours a day.
Of course, you might need some extras on top of that to feed, supply, house, transport and administer such troops plus some more to allow then a little vacation time, but since when did concern for our troops interfere with Republican goals.
That proposal makes at least as much sense as Bush's failed policies or McCain's vow to leave troops there a hundred years.
anwong is right. Mob rule always prevails, and the mob is an eternal idiot. Be thankful that you stand outside the mob and that you have held your brain relatively free of groupthink. Be thankful you have the gift of prophesy. Educate your children to enjoy the same lights and freedoms. But don't entertain the expectation that you are going to enlighten this mob, either from the top down or from the bottom up. It has never been done. Our best hope is that the beast implodes around the vanishing of its imaginary money and becomes defanged, mediocre and quaint, that it finds a vocation appropriate to simpleminded yokels, say, posing for tourist photos next to donkey carts.
One thing I've started doing is, whenever I get a mindless forward of some right-wing screed from anyone, I reply with a thoughtful, and thought-provoking column from Common Dreams or another source. If the 'friend' who sent the e-mail to me is uber-religious, I'll sometimes send something from Sojourner. It's amazing how offended some of them act. They think it's perfectly fine to bombard my in box with right-wing drivel, but when I send something with any intellectual heft that isn't a mirror-image of their predigested pap, they get highly incensed. My hope is that at some point maybe some of it will seep into their closed little mind and perhaps plant a seed.
odoco - I love your idea about putting ads in the local newspaper. brilliant. i'm going to start doing that. thank you!
Dear Odoco,
I hope you don't mind me doing so but your action putting ads into the local paper is fantastic and I've just sent the editors this letter:
Dear editors,
I just read your headline story "The Left was Right" and the very first comment had this to say:
Simple tools: I put ads in our hometown newspaper about twice a month. I identify progressive websites, significant books, and timely quotes. These are seen by about 25,000 households in our little area. Any group could do this, and it has had astounding results with respect to helping people find resources to educate themselves.
The Right Wing hates it when confronted with the truth, or with reason, or with logic. Don't just educate yourselves, educate everyone, and believe that at least some of them will respond in kind.
Please contact the author, s/he goes by the nickname Odoco, to ask her to write a short report about this action. I think it is a fantastic idea that people can emulate.
Or find an author to compile a number of ingenious and effective 'guerrilla media strategies'.
I meet progressives every day who have never heard of Commondreams, and that's a pity. You should conceive a separate pages that gives people suggestions on how to promote the site. Here's a strategy I proposed to you years ago when I first encountered Commondreams:
Suggest people create an email signature that says something like this:
"I made http://commondreams.org my internet start page. It's a progressive news portal that pulls together articles on important subjects of the day. I especially like their use of first rate British newspapers which offer a sober and unintimidated outsider's view of US affairs. Our media are free but it's amazing how many fact based articles with key information that concerns all of us get sidelined or ignored. Commondreams puts them front and center."
Sincerely
Quark, hello!
I hope you include such books as Robert Parry's "Neck Deep" and Dahr Jamail's "Beyond the Green Zone" when writing to the editors! I couldn't help the flow of tears while reading one section in Beyond the Green Zone! Poor soldiers who did the dirty work there, but also very important to imagine one of our small towns destroyed, along with many of its citizens, as in the destruction of Fallujah! Keep up the good work........
The failure to end this war is not the fault of the neo-cons who started it. Failure to stop this war falls squarely at the feet of Nancy Pelosi.
In the face of Bush vetoes & stonewalling by congressional republicans she could have chosen to not send any more funding bills forward--after all, she's unilaterally taken impeachment off the table; she could take war funding off the table just as easily. But she didn't.
When the war propaganda machine turned up the heat, she could have met with our Generals and told them to have our troops hunker down in the 14 bases we've built until the planes arrived to bring them home. But she didn't.
She could have taken a stand. But she didn't.
She could have shown some courage. But she hasn't.
You want to help end this war? Help Cindy Sheehan defeat Nancy Pelosi this Fall.
Nixon needed the Vietnam War for re-election. (Never change horses in the middle of a stream.)
Nixon needed the Vietnam War for diplomacy with the Russians and the Chinese.
Nixon only gave up the Vietnam War in a belated attempt to build up some public support as the Watergate hearings unraveled his administration.
Pressure there was, but since it only came from the public, it didn't count.
Personally ..and I hope others do not feel this way..and I hope I am wrong..but I have a low opinion of Americans now as a group.
Exactly what has to happen before people wake up? There has been a war of choice for economic gain and it was supported by lies from a president and his cabinet. Torture has been legalized. There is a mortgage crisis. Many Americans are losing health care.
David Ignatius wrote a column in today's Washington Post wondering what would happen if the federal buy outs failed.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/18/AR2008031802595.html
"The Fed has pledged itself to a rescue package whose ultimate scope is unknown but that will put at risk the nation's most precious asset, which is the Fed's credibility. How much bad debt will the Fed have to assume? Nobody knows."
Gee poor CEOs..maybe they would lose their astronomically high salaries.
And average Americans ...where are they while this is going on ? In recent polls McCain would beat Obama.
What can I say...I have a low opinion of Americans now.
Naturally the left was right is right and always will be right. Due to the rights' arrogance, ignorance, greed and bloodthirsty desire to kill as many people as possible in the name of Judeo-Christianity - it has cost the USA trillions. Meanwhile, the economic dynamics happening in the USA is the antithesis of Robin Hood and it is the right's fault that this is happening also. I really want the GOP and the neo-cons to never govern again for the damage they have done to this nation - the quite real divide created by them. As I have said many times before, people like the right have been punished througout Human History precisely by the same actions that right-wing ideologues are doing - on purpose no less.
There was this guy I saw representing the CATO Institute. Scum like this guy, forgot his name, is claiming that the USA Government should NOT control ITS Economy! Who does this person think he is anyways? That is a very psychotic opinion. Most contries throughout the world control their own Economies. In fact, it is due to the USA Government decision to privatize and de-regulate most of its economy as to the reasons why many Americans are losing their jobs and homes. This same guy put down Germany and France for being a "welfare state" and were critical of both of this nations for their "economic stagnation." No doubt the Republicans and neo-cons believe this scenario is just fine. The Germans and the French may have economic stagnation and may be taxed to death. You know what though?They can eat, they can go to school, they can see a doctor, and they have a roof over their head. For both nations adopted many Socialist policies you see? Europeans in general seem to be doing just fine - except in former Yugoslavia of course. Besides, the Euro is worth about 1.50 to the USA Dollar, so they must be doing something right.
Hopefully, the USA will adopt more Socialist policies into law. At least have complete regulation of the USA Economy. The so-called "free market" and the consequences of globalization is what is causing part of the problem. That and spending most Federal tax dollars on the Department of Offense oh excuse me I meant the Department of Defense.
The Liberals were right about this war and the Vietnam war. They were also right about out of
control capitalism and Global Warming. Riverman...... If you want to talk about corrupt politicians
and Con men, why don't you vent your Anger at the bush administration.
To pick up on the irony of the title, the left was right but it continues to be ignored because in order for the left to be noticed it cannot just be "right", it must also be "radical" in its analysis. This it is either too scared or too ignorant to do.
The truth is that it is not just enough to be correct (or "right")one must also be pointed in ones analysis of the hypocrisies of the opposition.
A good [place to start would be to demand that "sacrifice" be shared by our cash drunk corporations by having them, pay war-time tax rates that were imposed during WWII and that the term "war profiteer" be reintroduced into the vocabulary of public discourse with the same status as "child molester" or "animal abuser".
A good next step might be to demand that any representative or senator who themselves or whose children are of military service age and not on active duty during war time be branded publicly for their inconsistency and any votes for military action they make be thrown in their faces as rank hypocrisy.
(Think of the numerous anti-gay statements by the former Mayor of Spokane WA caught trolling at gay chat-rooms or Sen Larry Craig's "wide and principled stance" in the stalls of the Minneapolis Airport.)
This war is unnecessary. If it were necessary, we would all be feeling its impact. There would have to be a draft, there would be tax increases, there would be jobs to fill here, everyone would have a part.
We also can't win this war. We won WWII because we (the Allies) were defending against outside aggressors. Outsiders really can't win on foreign lands. Occupations always end. We didn't win the VietNam war though we won every battle. We won't win this one either.
We invaded, we occupy, we will lose - because the government isn't fighting to win - they are fighting to fight. Instability and conflict are a money pit - and the winners are the contractors. We are fighting for Exxon, for Halliburton etal. They are happy to continue this war as long as they can.
The sad thing is that these ideas cannot be told to a large subgroup of Americans. They think "We cannot lose. We are number one. We are good, they are (insert dehumanizing term). We fight for freedom. We fight for democracy."
In truth we fight for capitalist interests. We fight to keep us afraid of our enemies. We fight to feel strong and patriotic.
We fight and we lose our Constitution, our value system, our souls.
We must listen to the "Winter Soldiers" whose courageous openness to expose their participation with their commanders' support
to commit mahem killing of innocent people needs to be heard all over the country =-through the press, TV, congressional leaders. It's vital for the people to know what happens to our soldiers who are trained to become hired killers.This is what is happening in our 5 years of occupation-
There is no time to determine if a person is inmocent--the drive to avoid being killed leads to shooting first.That mind set is terribly destructive -hence the confessions of the winter soldier.
"Quark"
First, my ads are not guerrilla tactics - they are openly placed, personally, by myself in my hometown, very conservative newspaper. That is the point - it is open and honest and forthright. The articles always deal with verifiable, reliable sources of information - and almost always at odds with the conservative mouthpieces our folks usually have to bear.
Secondly, the ads are apolitical - they are issue-oriented - they do not espouse one political party over the other - and the quotes are from famous folks whose integrity and patriotism are above reproach - even by the right wingers. I try to list books that have been awarded national and/or international acclaim, again, making my sources factually above reproach.
Character, honesty and integrity have to be the hallmarks of our struggle. If we 'play the game' in the same fashion that the politicians play it - they will win, not just now, but always.
This struggle is about the soul of this nation. It is about the kind of country, and yes - world, that we wish our children and grandchildren to live in. That is why character and honesty are so important; if we choose the other road, the final destination for our kids will be a worse one than we have created for ourselves.
They all start their apologies for Iraq with the word, "Well...," and not only on the Diane Rehm show, where Diane herself never falls into the "well," i.e., the quagmire of Quaggenbush.
I was in a Winston-Salem bar called Swaim's Grocery, in fact had four beers after watching and hearing all day the testimony of "Winter Soldier," suppressed by the mainstream media all day, too. I heard it at the American Friends Service Committee in Greensboro.
The guy three seats to my right said, "Well, there have been some positive developments."
"No there haven't," I said. "There has not been anything positive in Iraq, not a single thing."
At that moment I noticed silence from one end of the bar to the other, and I decided to leave.
Well, well, well...three holes in the ground. I think that too many bar people in the South, no matter what they pretend, loved Godfather Two and love their bad boy, the impotent, affected northerner Quaggenbush, who kills with impunity-- most often innocent Iraqis.
The winter soldiers-- young Republicans who were educable after all and decided to save their souls, who underwent a conversion of the real type beyond the mental and emotional capability of any Quaggenbush-- they are the patriots. The willingly limited rest are traitors.
And General (Lord!) Petraeus, who unlike the winter soldiers commands the major newspapers and the airwaves, makes pretty good sense if you are another traitor to the United States as moronic as McCain or Quaggenbush. Petraeus says on PBS, "Yes the former insurgents whom we went out of our way to work with will remain quiet as long as they feel it's in their interest. There have been improvements, but they are reversible. We have a lot of work to do."
You bet you do, babe, a hundred year's worth, but it will take you longer than that to bring back the children and the second million of innocent dead persons you now are working on.
"Well that's war, so what do you expect?"
"No war and no occupation and not two million gratuitous deaths. Oh, do you have a spare bandaid? Excuse me, sir, could you tell me which Iraqis the soldiers and the contractors should kill today? I know some of the soldiers, and they were wondering...they asked me to ask."
That is the reality: People like Bush, McCain and Petraeus. To say they knoweth not what they do is understatement that leaves out the word "fuck."
Get out now. Pull every American. Is there a single Russian left in Afghanistan? I don't think so. The Russians in that instance at least, if not in Chechnya, were finally able to reverse their ever increasing mistake.
In a quiet room even a whisper sounds loud. If that whisper starts others people whispering then pretty soon people would have to raise their voices just to be able to be heard above all the noise being created in that once quiet room.
I think the first comment by odoco is f'kn great! If the media won't say it then you say it. Compared to the powerful reach of their voice, your little voice is but a whisper... ain't it?
The valiant odoco's lone shisper has got some 25,000 others a'whispering... what do you think all that whoopin' and a hollerin' is all about?
25,000 whispers... sounds loud don't it for one person.
Hoorah the valiant odoco! Who first whispered in what was a quiet room, "Why are we being so quiet?"
Until the Dems listen and act as the people wish....shout on and shout loudly.
What good is electing someone to stop a war...if they don't have the balls or integrity to stop it.
Start with not funding the war. Start with impeachment. Start with exposing corruption.
The Dem leaders have to shout as loudly and prolifically as the people do.
If I could, I'd issue a CEASE AND DESIST order against anyone still using the metaphorical "left" and "right" terms. There is NO POINT in retaining that old whored-out axis in a post- Cold War period in which the "right" now advocates for Big Government, deficit spending, reliance on communist/sweatshop labor for its industrial backbone, etc.
"Left" and "right" are totally useless terms.
Let's use powerful/powerless, rich/poor, honest/dishonest, sadistic/compassionate, violent/peaceful, autocratic/democratic, etc. instead.
The "Left" in America has always been ignored. Every so often, a "Left" idea becomes "centerist" and must be addressed by the Borg, which must maintain the facade of demorcatic-republicanism while ever solidifying its fascism.
Paul Bramscher--I would posit that China is far from being communist. That Mao once used Marxist rhetoric is correct, but today's China is a product of Deng and is little different from previous dynastic forms existing in China's past. To use a modern term, China is Borg/fascist, which is why the US Borg find it very appealing. The US Borg use of anti-China rhetoric is to provide grist for its armaments programs/lifestyle subsidies, as was the prior "Anti-Communist Crusade." You seem to understand there's no war but the Class War by viewing the "Left/Right divide" as a classical case of divide and conquer Machiavellian policy used by the Borg.
ezeflyer March 19th, 2008 11:40 am
It wasn't the left, it was the liberals who were right
I use this as a perfect example of why we are powerless in the face of an obvious impeachable administration, an unwinnable war forced upon us by the lies of that impeachable administration and a complicit and useless opposition party. If anyone cannot understand why it is we sit at home while this goes on, why we do not take to the streets in protest of torture,( torture for crying out loud!) the above comment illustrates to me the reasons.
I do not give a damn whether it is the left, the middle, the center, the top or the bottom that brings ideas and actions to the table, yet we remain apart , we cannot come together because of silliness like this. Sorry ezeflyer, I do not wish to be seen as picking on you, but we need so very much to come together, to bury ideological differences before the neocons bury us all.
The disconnect between US citizens and government at all levels is a chasm that would make the Grand Canyon look puny.
The forces that keep the US in Iraq are invisible. A new president won't be worth all that much, because of those invisible forces as well as the impenetrable layers of money which feed and feed off the warmongering ways of the government.
Only an oceanic change in national consciousness will bring an end to this national characteristic of violence. And that change can come about naturally or as a result of some sort of meltdown. As long as people are overly concerned or worried about their own destiny, what sentiments can they have about the national destiny?
The policies of the US government are not arranged to help the people lead better, easier lives. What good do we get for the taxes we pay? A bigger military? More war colleges? A burgeoning defense industry? An ever more wasteful collection of ineffective, inefficient bureaucracies which will never solve any of the nation's woes?
Simply put—there is an alarming lack of coherence in the nation. "Every man for himself" is the overwhelming rule.
Unless people begin to expand their awareness and create peace in their lives, change will come only as a result of catastrophe.
There is hope—but only in the development of wisdom, peace, and inner knowledge.
www.uspeacegovernment.org
I am worried that the so called left are again losing sight of why Bush was 'selected' last time. My father, a life long republican, and against the war, still voted for Bush because the 'gay' issue was more important than people dying.
If death doesn't rate higher than some other 'moral' issue, the democrats will again not be able to frame the war issues in their favor.
When the right wins, we will all be left without any rights.
so it goes...
By the way, he would vote for Obama before he votes for Hillary (he will never vote for Hillary, that is the one thing we agree on.)
But George was Left!
He was left behind the door when they gave out brains. He was left behind the door when they gave out maturity and vision and statesmanship. But no matter, he still became President! How?
Because the American Political System is a complete joke. The Congress and the Senate is owned by Big Business. The Presidential System has enabled all manner of B-grade actors, spivs and morons to rule on behalf of the Rich and the Religiously Deluded!
Time there were some changes made I reckon!
CHANGES?????????? NO, WE SIMPLY COULDN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE'RE AMERICANS.
www.dangerouscreation.com
Wars end when soldiers turn towards their commanders, point their fingers and say, "FUCK YOU!"
Hey ardee--It's been awhile. Yes, you are quite correct. Dividing the people is the Borg's number 1 goal, and our history shows just how good they've been at doing just that. Hell, we even do it for them as documented by commentary on this website. For example, the debate between active and passive resistence divides efforts and allows openings for provacateurs. The same is true about torture. The Borg are ruthless and will always use all methods of coercion; they act without discussion or debate as exemplified by Bush's dicta, "You're With us or Against us." The same argument happened in 1917 between the Menschevicks and Bolschevicks. Lenin deposed the Menscheviki because they would be too soft toward those who would "bury us all." We face that same dilemma today.
America will leave, but not for some rational human concept. It will be the factor that staying the course; we'll go bankrupt.
Remember the Soviet Union, they didn't leave Afghanistan because they were beaten militarily. They left because they came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth the cost monitarily. After all Afghanistan would have been a real benefit to the Soviets as it would have given them a closer southern route to the Indian ocean so as to transport their oil and other commerce.
After several years of occupying the country with no plan to pacify the freedom fighters they left. If you will recall it was soon after that the Soviet Union fell. There were many reasons as to why the Soviet Union fell, but the cost of their expansive policies were central to their demise. Occupying nations is expensive when there is opposition in those countries to such occupation. The drain on the treasury was clearly a leading cause to the demise of the Soviet Union.
The drain on the treasury will ultimetly be the undoing of the American fantasies of empire.
For no other reason John McCain is mistaken about being in Iraq for a hundred years, we couldn't afford it.The middle eastern people will keep bleeding us till we can't take it any longer and we leave.
Unfortunitally it will cause much pain to the American people as well. What price freedom!
The only reason war continues is the lack of Draft... if implemented, the majority opposition would stop it in its tracks. That's why the D word has not been brought up.
odoco ... may I recommend John W. Dean's book, "Broken Government"? Dean was White House Legal Counsel to President Nixon and might carry a little more weight with conservatives.
"The 2006 election did not put enough Democrats in to override the inevitable veto..."
This is a lazy , suck-tit excuse ; Democrats with minor exceptions didn't even try . Learn some history about David-versus-Goliath perseverence . Chronologically , William Wilberforce lobbied British Parliament for thirty years ALL ALONE until the slave trade and slavery in general was finally abolished . Florence Nightingale lobbied the same British Parliament and Army for sixty tears to create and maintain the hospital system we take for granted today.
Finally , Susan B.Anthony lobbied Congress , presidents , state legislators ...for fifty years to achieve citizen status for women and died before she could vote herself.
Looking at it another way , without their respective inexhaustible efforts we would still have slavery , stables for getting well and men-voters-only.
MUCH MORE regarding Grass Roots Activism and The Left for ALL Roads Lead to Jerusalem, Ramallah, and Occupied Palestine when we talk about the Middle East:
WAWA Blog: The First Day of Spring + Happy Birthday Israel: Company is Coming and they are Carrying UN Flags!
http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=850&Itemid=198
You have to become active and make your voice heard on an ongoing basis. Contact your representatives in Congress. Come out for protests. Circulate petitions. Donate to peace groups.
Nowhere near good enough. You have to vote the progressive agenda WITH YOUR EXCHANGE/ASSOCIATION.
To illustrate: I made a mistake yesterday. I bought a 50 lb bag of popcorn without realizing until too late that the price had tripled, went from 15 cents/lb to 45 cents/lb. The extra 30 cents went to the petro-capitalists for shipping the popcorn. BAD DEAL!! I didn't realize it until I got the popcorn home but that's a different issue. The point is the price tripled due to the political collusion and financial speculation on the energy market enabled by right wing extremists hijacking the federal government and the devious system they setup (freeway freight over rail freight among many other things) to maximize energy consumption and economic activity.
Now when I go protest, write letters, etc. the capitalists will pretend to listen but what they REALLY listen to is the ka-ching ka-ching of the money falling into their bank accounts for shipping the popcorn. Do you get it? We all have to learn the discipline to starve the capitalists. What should we do? Go talk to our local farmers and contract with them for organic wheat, corn, beans, rice, everything, and much preferably permaculture perennial native tree crops, ok? Get it? GOOD!!!
The insanely greedy bastards that control our military and politicians obviously don't care about right and wrong.
They're very sick junkies who can't get enough money and power.
My dad likes to tell me he's a conservative, he thinks it pisses me off. I asked him why he would align himself with an ideology that is so utterly wrong so often; not just for the last 8 years, but since the formation of political ideation. I then hit him with a litany of all the things liberals have been right about. This lasted until he got pissed and told me to shut up or leave. My point? People can't stand being around people that are right and vocal about it, it only emphasizes how wrong they are.