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Many Voting For Clinton to Boost GOP
For a party that loves to hate the Clintons, Republican voters have cast an awful lot of ballots lately for Senator Hillary Clinton: About 100,000 GOP loyalists voted for her in Ohio, 119,000 in Texas, and about 38,000 in Mississippi, exit polls show.
A sudden change of heart? Hardly.
Since Senator John McCain effectively sewed up the GOP nomination last month, Republicans have begun participating in Democratic primaries specifically to vote for Clinton, a tactic that some voters and local Republican activists think will help their party in November. With every delegate important in the tight Democratic race, this trend could help shape the outcome if it continues in the remaining Democratic primaries open to all voters.
Spurred by conservative talk radio, GOP voters who say they would never back Clinton in a general election are voting for her now for strategic reasons: Some want to prolong her bitter nomination battle with Barack Obama, others believe she would be easier to beat than Obama in the fall, or they simply want to register objections to Obama.
"It's as simple as, I don't think McCain can beat Obama if Obama is the Democratic choice," said Kyle Britt, 49, a Republican-leaning independent from Huntsville, Texas, who voted for Clinton in the March 4 primary. "I do believe Hillary can mobilize enough [anti-Clinton] people to keep her out of office."
Britt, who works in financial services, said he is certain he will vote for McCain in November.
About 1,100 miles north, in Granville, Ohio, Ben Rader, a 66-year-old retired entrepreneur, said he voted for Clinton in Ohio's primary to further confuse the Democratic race. "I'm pretty much tired of the Clintons, and to see her squirm for three or four months with Obama beating her up, it's great, it's wonderful," he said. "It broke my heart, but I had to."
Local Republican activists say stories like these abound in Texas, Ohio, and Mississippi, the three states where the recent surge in Republicans voting for Clinton was evident.
Until Texas and Ohio voted on March 4, Obama was receiving far more support than Clinton from GOP voters, many of whom have said in interviews that they were willing to buck their party because they like the Illinois senator. In eight Democratic contests in January and February where detailed exit polling data were available on Republicans, Obama received, on average, about 57 percent of voters who identified themselves as Republicans. Clinton received, on average, a quarter of the Republican votes cast in those races.
But as February gave way to March, the dynamics shifted in both parties' contests: McCain ran away with the Republican race, and Obama, after posting 10 straight victories following Super Tuesday, was poised to run away with the Democratic race. That is when Republicans swung into action.
Conservative radio giant Rush Limbaugh said on Fox News on Feb. 29 that he was urging conservatives to cross over and vote for Clinton, their bête noire nonpareil, "if they can stomach it."
"I want our party to win. I want the Democrats to lose," Limbaugh said. "They're in the midst of tearing themselves apart right now. It is fascinating to watch. And it's all going to stop if Hillary loses."
He added, "I know it's a difficult thing to do to vote for a Clinton, but it will sustain this soap opera, and it's something I think we need."
Limbaugh's exhortations seemed to work. In Ohio and Texas on March 4, Republicans comprised 9 percent of the Democratic primary electorate, more than twice the average GOP share of the turnout in the earlier contests where exit polling was conducted. Clinton ran about even with Obama among Republicans in both states, a far more favorable showing among GOP voters than in the early races.
Walter Wilkerson, who has chaired the Republican Party in Montgomery County, Texas, since 1964, said many local conservatives chose to vote for Clinton for strategic reasons.
"These people felt that Clinton would be maybe the easier opponent in the fall," he said. "That remains to be seen."
Wilkerson added, "We have not experienced any crossover of this magnitude since I can remember."
In the Mississippi primary last Tuesday, Republicans made up 12 percent of voters who took a Democratic ballot - their biggest proportion in any state yet - and they went for Clinton over Obama by a 3-to-1 margin.
John Taylor, the GOP chairman in Madison County, said he toured various precincts and witnessed Republican voters taking Democratic ballots to vote for Clinton.
"Some people there that I recognized voting said, 'Hey, I'm going to vote in this primary this year, right now. But don't worry, in November I'll be back,' " Taylor said. "They were going to do some damage if they could."
Another popular conservative radio host, Laura Ingraham, who had also encouraged voters to cast ballots for Clinton, crowed about her apparent success the day after Ohio and Texas voted.
"Without a doubt, Rush, and to a lesser extent me, had some effect on the Republican turnout," Ingraham told Fox News. "When you look at those exit polls, it is really quite striking."
Some political blogs have suggested that the influx of Clinton-voting Republicans prevented Obama from winning delegates he otherwise would have, by inflating Clinton's totals both statewide and in certain congressional districts. A writer for the liberal blog Daily Kos estimated that Obama could have netted an additional five delegates from Mississippi.
It is also possible, though perhaps unlikely, that enough strategically minded Republicans voted for Clinton in Texas to give her a crucial primary victory there: Clinton received roughly 119,000 GOP votes in Texas, according to exit polls, and she beat Obama by about 101,000 votes.
Not everyone casting ballots for Clinton did so primarily to sink her, however. Brent Henslee, 33, a Republican who works at a radio station in Waco, Texas, wanted to keep Clinton in the race to expose more about Obama, whom he sees as more "fluff than substance."
"I'm not buying into all the Obama-mania, is the main reason I did it," he said. "A lot of these people don't know a thing about this guy and they're crazy about him. And I thought that maybe keeping Hillary alive will just shed some more light on the guy."
Of the nine remaining major contests, four - Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Oregon, and South Dakota - have "closed" primaries, which means only Democrats can participate.
If Republicans and conservative independents continue their tactical voting, it may be more likely in Indiana, Montana, and Puerto Rico, which allow anyone to vote, and possibly in North Carolina and West Virginia, which open their primaries to Democrats and independent voters.
"If you are a Republican you could pull a Democrat ballot and vote for the Democrat presidential candidate you think will stand the least chance of beating McCain in the fall general election," the assistant editor of the Greene County Daily World, in southwestern Indiana, wrote in a blog post earlier this month.
Meanwhile, Clinton, despite trailing Obama in delegates, is projecting confidence about her chances as the nomination race careens toward the April 22 Pennsylvania primary. The morning after her big wins in Ohio and Texas, she was asked on Fox News whether she had a message for Limbaugh.
"Be careful what you wish for, Rush," she said with a grin.
Scott Helman can be reached at shelman@globe.com.
© 2008 The Boston Globe



148 Comments so far
Show AllNRA: your comment about Chavez is disgraceful. Venezuela's press is freer than that of the US. The freedom of the press in Venezuela is a matter of record and acknowledged by countless civil rights organizations. The station not renewed had transmitted false news and participated in a coup d'etat attempt. In fact, Chavez waited years after they did this to refuse to renew the license rather than suspending it when they engaged in crimes. You are spreading propaganda. Look into these things or shut up.
I didn't think anything could make me hate Republicans more than I already do, but this is it. There's that old saying, "Friends don't let friends vote Republican." I wanna change it to "Friends don't let Republicans continue breathing." Anyone who thinks the right-wingers who have dominated this country since 1980 are now on the wane need only look at how readily Limbaugh et al's obedient servants obeyed their masters, and at how many of them there are. Republicans should be made unwelcome wherever they go. Run them out of neighborhoods, let them know that the immoral behavior that characterizes them will no longer be tolerated.
Folks here need no more examples of how the Corporate Media, and their attack-dogs Limbaugh & Ingraham can swing elections. (Usually in favour of their own nefarious interests.)
This is election-rigging and is blatantly in the face of the general public, yet still they slumber dreamily that this is the world's greatest democracy in action.
For the flip side, i.e., Hillary and proxies' trashing Obama, look at Stephen Pizzo on Smirking Chimp or Alternet.
I have no illusions about Obama. I'm glad he's energizing people. But make no mistake- regardless of who's the President in 2009, this country is in deep trouble.
And that doesn't even include a possible attack on Iran. If that happens, think world depression. Think anti-American sentiment and attacks beyond Dick Cheney's wet dreams (oil of course).
Hillary Clinton is definitely part of the problem. 3 initials- DLC. They were as bad as the attack dogs of the Republicans with Michael Moore.
Meanwhile, Cheney, McCain, and Senators Graham and "Fifth Columnist" Joe Leiberman are trying to perfume the stench that is Iraq and the Surge that is a Scam.
Here's a prediction. McCain-Leiberman. Karl Rove's wet dream.
Further testament of our fatally flawed and undemocratic voting system. Nothing's going to change if we don't fix that first.
Today Hillary Rodham Nixon was trying to critique McCain after having elevated his credentials over Obama's.
The Clintons used all liberal organizations as well as the Democrats as their political praetorian guard, exhausting them politically, and now the daughter-in-law of PapaBush (who calls Bill his "other son") goes around telling people it will "take another Clinton" . . . so sick of these crime families competing with each other.
Why in the name of god would anyone want to boost the gop? My god have these morons not heard how the gop has screwed the country? Do they really think more of the same will make things all ok? I am sick to death of the lemming-like, pin headed, intellectually diminutive, moronic troglidytes that are republicans. They got us here! They're not going to get us out of the holy mess that is their making! Why the hell don't they all just cawl back up rush limbaugh's asshole!
The GOP voting for Hilary is strategic. They know full well that an Obama candidacy has the very real potential to trigger an electoral sweep of proportions large enough for the Democrats to gain obfuscation-proof majorities in Congress that would enable investigations with teeth into the many misdeeds of the Bush era (a prospect that frightens a lot of complicit congressional Democrats as well). With a Clinton candidacy, they actually have a chance to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. And if the Republicans do lose versus Clinton in November, the magnitude of the loss is likely to be much less, thus giving the GOP enough seats in Congress to enable legislative stalling tactics.
hakori,
The Republicans band together come hell or high water. Yes, it is amazing that they still are beholden to Bush & Co. when it is painfully obvious that the Illegal Occupation of Iraq financially is sinking this country. Keep in mind that these are people who would like to canonize Reagan. What they also do not realize is that someone jiggled the handle on the toilet and we are starting to go down. If people think the FED's action to get rich off the subprime mess er provide relief for people who are losing everything (sorry, my bad), they have not seen anything yet.
gotta love those soft-on-corruption republicans.
can't beat 'em?
cheat.
She is sounding more and more like an attack dog Republican these days.
Why lead when you can tear others down is her MO.
She doesn't care about democracy and civility. She just wants power.
The fact that they are so afraid of Obama...
...makes me like him even more.
how does one define democracy and does it apply to US Presidential elections, since 2000?
They know that if Clinton is the nominee its a win win situation--they still get more republican no matter whether they vote Dem or Gop.
They would do well to examine the latest polls- currently, Clinton fairs better against McCain than Obama. Of course, things are currently so close, it would be more accurate to describe the race as neck and neck.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html
This site updates regularly, so if the results have changed by the time you read it- don't call me a liar, please! :-)
i think they're banking on the country being more sexist than racist---and they're right.
one simple fact almost proves it---Hillary gets under half the women's vote, and Obama gets 90% of the African-American vote.
It will be interesting to see what Loudmouth Limberger and his minions have to say about their plan after Hillary is President! Sometimes cute ideas come back to haunt people.
The Repugs are determined to continue ruining everything by any method possible, and they may instead just end up helping the country with their cross voting plan. It is about time they did something right.
Its interesting to see these vile republican's voting for Clinton, just to help McInsane, just so they can see the policies of the right stay in force.
This - in the face of failure heaped upon failure of right wing idiology.
These morons hate the left more then they love America.
I really hope Obama wins the nomination, and then unleashes the flaming rhetoric of the ages against the bankrupt right's failures to secure America as they have laid waste to our Government and robbed the middle class of their livelihoods.
It is interesting that only a month ago in our caucus in Maine, I saw at least one die hard Republican, (who I cannot ever imagine voting Democratic in her life), registered as a Democrat and voted for Obama. There is something wrong with our primary system when people can try to foul up the system like this. But personally, I doubt that they really have that much effect.
You know what makes me saddest about this... Thinking about kids in school learning about American History, and Democracy, and elections. I'm sad about the day they find that they've been fed a line. I'm sad about the day they learn about people like Limbaugh.
I have been saying for some time that Hillary represents salvation for the Republicans. she is uniting and invigorating their party and if she somehow wins she will be perfect for them. Conservative on war issues, but inflammatory enough on the distraction issues like gay rights and abortion that really mean nothing to power, but are used to manipulate their base.
I wasn't sure how we were going to blow this slam dunk election, but with Democrats who should know better going around saying that a deceitful war monger like Hillary, some how is comparable to Barack obama, and now the help from Limbaugh and his ditto-head brownshirts, it's looking pretty scary.
"...just pull their broadcast licenses." - NRA Freedom
Chavez did nothing of the sort. What is it with Republicans? They can't open their mouths with out lying.
If the dems were to learn the rules of the repugs, and started playing by those rules when dealing with the repugs, they might get somewhere, and even develop a backbone in the process.
Does the DNC and its superdelegates know this, or do they even care if they lose as long as the bribes keep coming?
BernieLaPaz - not calling you a liar, but polls can be compromised in the same way this primary voting can.
I don't know if it is even the Republicans on their own because a Clinton-McCain race would be a fight between Bill Clinton's legacy and Ronald Reagan's legacy on a podium where politicians say the darnest things. The Republicans, left to their own devices would wish to avoid this match up - so who is pulling the Republican strings?
The base of the Republican party are highly devoted and will do everything for the party they believe in and whom their ancestors supported whole heartedly. Thus, if the mouth pieces of the Republican party tell them to vote for Hillary, they will. These are people who, a few months ago, were comforting each other by imaging all sorts of horrible things happening to Hillary Clinton, yet now they are voting for Hillary Clinton because they think it will help their party.
But those Republican mouth pieces are dummies - the ventriloquists are the Multinationals which own the media who hire these mouth pieces.
It is the Multinationals (rather the Republicans) who seem to fear Obama more than Clinton. I think that this is because they know what Clinton will and will not do in office but Obama is so new to the scene that he is an unknown (and, to be honest, unknowable) factor.
What the Republicans fear is losing their corporate funding just as they are about to face a Presidential election (it has nothing to do with who the Republicans think they can or cannot beat). The polls as to how either Clinton or Obama will do against McCain seem to be fairly even so the Republicans think that money will make the difference between winning and losing.
But if Obama was saying one thing to Canada and another to the American voters (re NAFTA) - then why do they want to get rid of him.
I don't think his aid did say that about NAFTA - I think the aid said the same thing Obama did during the debate that he was more concerned with Mexico than Canada because of the lower environment and labour standards in Mexico and the US compared to Canada.
I think that the same Multinationals who want Clinton to beat Obama put pressure on Canada. Think of it, as soon as Dion develops a backbone, Canada is going to have an election and Harper wants a majority. He needs the media on his side and the Multinationals to stay away from the Liberals.
There are four by-elections today and if the Liberals win at least three of them, an election is a matter of weeks.
Sexist vs. Racist -- oh, come on. Please! Stop the victimhood. People voting for Obama are, in large part, voting for him based on the fact that he is an inspiring leader. If you've read either of his books you will realize that he is a brilliant man who believes policy should be based on what works best, not what deals you work out in back rooms. People who are voting against Clinton (Republican cross-overs excepted) are voting against her based on her support for the war, her various aggressive votes (like against banning cluster bombs). Obama, following logic and compassion voted for the ban of cluster bombs.
The Sexist vs. Racist ploy is one used by people who subscribe to the Clinton and Republican tactic of dividing our country up into as many separate groups as possible... divide and conquer.
You can not divide the democratic party into tiny bits and then assemble enough votes to win anything. It requires inclusion of as many people in the party as possible.
United we stand. Divided we fall.
Obama is appealing because he is inclusive. His campaign is inclusive, his appeal is inclusive.
Whenever you hear the term Racism or Sexism regarding this campaign, it is usually tossed out by someone who wants to divide the party.
Most people with half a brain know McCain will continue Bush's Raygun-esqe policies at full throttle, so it's likely that either Clinton or Obama will beat him--unless another 'terror' event occurs (staged or otherwise) to strike fear into the majority. Clinton is clearly less 'progressive' than Obama, but not dramatically so in my view.
I suppose if Hillary manages to pry the nomination away from Obama via the DNC super delegates, and succeeds in reneging on agreeing to disclose her finances, and the right wing stays home in spite of it's hatred of her and the moon turns blue, she could get away with this and we would end up with another Republican administration, no corporate money in politics reform in sight. An entrenched DLC and our young people disillusioned in democracy. But Hillary would get what she wants and all else be damned.
Perhaps all you Obama haters are unable to recognize integrity when you see it. Understandable, it's been missing in action in the US for generations now. Remember when we could leave our bikes on the lawn, people didn't lock their doors, and shaking hands on a business deal meant we would keep our word? Of course, you have to be pretty old to remember those days.
Obama has brought me out of the woodwork, but if he isn't the candidate, I'm outta here. And so are a lot of young people. it isn't just his message of change and bottom up involvement that fires them up, they are seeing something they've never seen in politics before. Someone who actually feels trustworthy.
A few months ago, we were laughing at the Republicans twisting in the wind and what do we have now? We have them watching Hillary destroy this party with her attacks and smears, and jumping in like collaborators to keep the catfight going. This wasn't Obama's idea and more than once he has asked to stick to the issues and leave off the personal attacks. But as Hillary said, she's a fighter and he's being forced to fight back. But at least he isn't fighting dirty the way she is. She challenges his financing while hiding her own, and when he asks her to disclose her tax returns, as he has, she accuses him of being a "Ken Starr". What I can't understand is why people support her behavior. Is this what they want in a President? I don't. When I ask them they say, "No, I don't like what she's doing, but that's politics". That's the point, it doesn't have to be. We can change that behavior by rejecting it. If that is what we want.
Personally I think she would make a lousy President. She has demonstrated poor judgment, bad management skills, an inability to take responsibility for mistakes and rigid attachment to failed policies. Sounds like another Bush to me, minus the Messiah complex. But that's all right, there's always Bill.
kathyodat
Vaudree, you're right. Harper jumped in with a lie to support the Republicans. I hope it backfires on him.
ruscle, I like what you said about Obama. And I think he's making entrenched power (corporations) nervous.
NRAFreedom, Chavez hasn't opposed free speech, he closed down one station that was preaching sedition and assassination. We're the ones without free speech. Oh sure, we nave it here on CD, but out in the public? The corporate media have a lockdown on what gets heard. And our schoolchildren don't even know what's in their Bill of Rights, the backbone of our democracy. But as Geo Bush said, the Constitution is just a G-damned piece of paper, and Congress is letting him prove it. And our young people are watching and all they can conclude from that is, that's how it is. And then along comes Obama, telling them they can change things they don't like, they aren't powerless. And they are getting excited with possibilities.
kathyodat
Anyone like Hillary who voted for the illegal attack on Iraq should not get anyone's votes. Both she and her lecherous husband are Republicans in Democrats' clothing. And who is running, Bill or Hillary? He's always on C-Span making claims about her; the latest one is that she will (miraculously) bring "millions" of jobs to America. I'm so tired of the Clintons and the Bushes. Let's have regime change!
Why does Hillary always point at someone in the audience? She tries to make it look like everyone is agreeing with her; she just points at anyone........ROFL
deang, I agree that the Repuk party desrves to be disbanded but you would have to disband both capitalist parties simultaneously. It's not so easy when most Americans are still asleep so the best approach is to aid the capitalists in their self-destruction. The good news is that Americans are showing signs of waking. This indicates that perhaps another eight years of Imperial Chimp will bring them to finally join the progressive revolution. This is why O'Bama isn't a good candidate - he threatens to provide the capitalists eight years of protection from themselves to aid their recovery. Not good. The other two candidates may serve as excellent Imperial Chimps - what we want for a quicker implosion of the capitalist establishment and a quicker progressive revolution.
Whatever happens, most Republicans are still slimy folks.
I don't think the party will last many more years.
I don't understand why some decent people still remain in that party. It does seem like it takes some Americans a long time figure out the truth.
This is really an issue about psychology.
When enough people are scared, when they have been led to believe that they are in harm's way and that only a few "right thinking people" can save them, they will do almost anything, including crossing the line of integrity and honesty and political parties.
That powerful people use the frightened masses as foot soldiers to further their agendas is an old story. The more we understand how we are being manipulated and just how manipulative our entire culture is, the more we will be able to recognize it and stand up to it.
In New Jersey you have to declare a party. You can only vote in your declared primary. Why isnt this the standard? I'm sure that if I research this law, I will find that a Republican governor put it into place so us liberals wouldnt try to sabatoge the election. Ironic isnt it?
I used to like the Clintons, now with the behavior Hillary has displayed during the campaign, that of a meglomaniac hungry for power, where her concern should be the same as ours, putting a dem in the whitehouse, for her its all about the power. She would rather Mccain get in than Obama. So that she could run against him in 2012. Sick bitch.
"This is why O'Bama isn't a good candidate - he threatens to provide the capitalists eight years of protection from themselves to aid their recovery. Not good"
All the king's horses & all the king's men.
There is no putting the toothpaste back in the tube.
Obama is like a constitutional monarchist at the end of the age of kings, still committed emotionally to an order & seeking his best to restrain the outlaw, while history is sharpening the guillotine blades.
Obama is the sort of necessary counterpart to revolution, produced in the official political structure & putting the best face possible on the bankruptcy of a structure he's not ready to abandon. Such a transitional personage, rather than ppostponing revolution, actually forwards it in spite of his own intentions.
NateW, you are exactly right. The worst of it is, Hillary knows all this, she knows she has no coattails, but she DOESN'T CARE! All she cares about is getting elected. This isn't about what's good for the country or the Democratic party, it's about getting what she wants. And just think how rich the Clintons can get with Bill running all over the world with his wife as President. That $60 million will be chump change. They can't wait, and they will stop at nothing to get what they want. Helps to explain why no tactic is too low or dirty for her to use.
kathyodat
They are picking the only DEM candidate they can count on defeating - and the Dems continue to go full tilt for the cliff.
RE: - Vaudree, you're right. Harper jumped in with a lie to support the Republicans. I hope it backfires on him.
Yeah. I am going back and forth between two theories and not sure which one is right:
1. Supporting Clinton keeps the race going and keeping the race going is the goal for the Republicans;
2. The Multinationals, rather than the Republicans, don't want Obama facing McCain and securing funding is the goal for the Republicans;
RE: - In New Jersey you have to declare a party. You can only vote in your declared primary. Why isnt this the standard?
In Canada, you don't have to declare a party to vote - all you have to do is show up on voting day with ID. But you have to be a card carrying member of a party to vote for its leader - which is usually done on a single day at convention.
Heard anything about Take Back America?
Jack Layton seems to have faith in both Obama and Clinton - Layton and Jesse Jackson are supposed to be meeting up with Clinton and Obama:
Layton to push NAFTA reform message in Washington
NDP Leader Jack Layton is in Washington today to press for changes to the North American Free Trade Agreement.
Layton is speaking at the 'Take Back America 2008' conference, a gathering of grassroots and netroots activists, elected officials, business owners and policy experts of the progressive movement.
In an interview with The Globe and Mail, Layton said the NDP wants to unite with U.S. Democratic presidential hopefuls Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in their calls for changes to NAFTA.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080317/layton_washington_080317/20080317?hub=Canada
Remarks by NDP leader Jack Layton
Take Back America 2008 conference
Washington D.C. (snippets)
During the debate in the lead-up to the Ohio and Texas primary, both Senators Clinton and Obama stated unequivocally the need for improvements to NAFTA.
I am here today to tell each and every one of you, and Senators Clinton and Obama that you have an ally in Canada to improve the labour and environmental standards in the North America Free Trade Agreement. ...
During the debate in the lead-up to the Ohio and Texas primary, both Senators Clinton and Obama stated unequivocally the need for improvements to NAFTA.
I am here today to tell each and every one of you, and Senators Clinton and Obama that you have an ally in Canada to improve the labour and environmental standards in the North America Free Trade Agreement.
We have before us an historic opportunity...
…an opportunity to build.
To forge a new coalition in North America.
So that when it comes to labour and environmental standards in North America – our trade rules ensure a reach for the top, not a race to the bottom.
Where the rights of the citizen, rival those of the corporation.
Where hard work is rewarded and polluters are punished.
And where the middle class can be assured fairness and future generations can be assured a clean and sustainable environment.
And my friends…work is underway.
The New Democratic Party has begun to reach out to the US Democratic Party.
Elected representatives from Canada, Mexico and the US led by Ohio Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur have launched a "Task Force on Renegotiating NAFTA."
http://www.ndp.ca/page/6279
Good one Dichterfreund. But what's the alternative?
kathyodat, here is the revolution of which you speak - and, to reign, guess who is calling the toon but the peasants:
Like Clinton and Obama, Layton seeks NAFTA changes
DANIEL LEBLANC
March 17, 2008, Globe and Mail
OTTAWA -- The NDP is joining U.S. Democratic presidential hopefuls in their promise to change NAFTA, with Leader Jack Layton telling an American audience today the trade agreement needs to better protect workers and the environment.
In an interview, Mr. Layton said the New Democratic Party wants to join forces with the likes of U.S. Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, who are pledging to change the North American free-trade agreement in the Democratic nomination race.
"There are many Canadians who agree. Certainly the Democratic Party has long advocated that the environmental and labour standards in NAFTA be improved," Mr. Layton said.
Mr. Layton will bring his message to the Take Back America 2008 conference in Washington being presided over by the Campaign for America's Future, a movement of U.S. progressives.
Speaking to an audience of politicians, unionists and environmental groups, the NDP Leader will state that corporations have too much power under NAFTA and that workers in areas such as manufacturing and forestry need better protection.
"There is no question that given the integration agenda of the corporate sector, we find that all too often the working people are being left behind, working longer and harder and slipping back," he said.
Mr. Layton said his party has credibility in the fight to renegotiate NAFTA, given that the Conservative government is not acting on the file and that the Liberals failed to deliver on their 1993 campaign promise to change the agreement..
Mr. Layton said that in current circumstances, Canada's economy is at risk.
"Right across the country I see concerns, real worries about how rapidly our energy resources are being locked in to supply the U.S. market without necessarily being available should there be a depletion of the resource," he said.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080317.NAFTA17/TPStory/?query=layton
It's over - and McCain has won. Hillary is the most hated woman (if not person) in the US - and deservedly so. She was an enthusiastic supporter of her husband's murderous policies in Iraq, Serbia, and in the US with his Welfare Reform. She's mean and she shows it.
Obama's minister is now a huge issue. I think he's too smart to really believe in the bible, but he wasn't smart enough to get out of a church whose minister sings 'God Damn America' in time to look like he was righteously indignant about it. Once it really gets out, Obama is done for.
Neither of them can win against McCain. The one candidate who polled as a winner against any of the Republicans was Edwards - and he was fortuitously (for the Republicans and other elitists) drummed out early.
Good luck to all of them. I think I'll vote for a black woman - Cynthia McKinney, since niether of the two lesser evils has a chance anyway.
sassysue you may be right. folks need something to put their hate into. so many people on this site are full of shit - and they're on our side! An earlier post made some horse-shit comment about "the doctors getting rich" on insurance money or some ill informed nonsense like that. I'm a fourth year medical student - starting my ob/gyn residency this june - and some asshole has the temerity to say that? The irony is, as one of those greedy doctors, i think health care is a right and that universal health care is a must. it was hillary who made that her clarion call back in '93 or so. None of these chickenshits probably even remember, let alone respect, that fact. everyone here apparently knows better. maybe she went about it the wrong way but she was one of the first to bring it out into plausible public discourse.
dig yourselves america, you're groovy as ever.
Geez, you Americans have one screwed up electoral system! I can't believe the stuff that goes on under the guise of US, so-called, elections. The Electoral College is such an outdated and costly way of getting someone into office. Different rules for different States, crossover votes, vote rigging, programmable voting machines, caging lists, etc., etc. You sound more and more like what you used to call a banana republic with each passing year. How about some real electoral reform so you, the people, can actually vote for the people that you really want to have in office. One vote, one time.
Adrienrain, Obama's minister was fair game - but think of it - they went through all the guy's sermons word for word trying to find something damaging and THAT was the best they could find!
Think of it, if someone went back through everything we have ever posted in the last five years they would find worse dirt on each of us.
If Jack Layton has faith in Obama, maybe it is time I do too. Jack's letter to Obama:
I have heard you say: "I believe in trade, I just want to make sure that the rules of the road apply to everybody and they are fair and that they reflect the interests of workers and not just corporate profits."
I could not agree more.
Jack's letter to Clinton:
I have heard you say: "Let's get real about the future of trade in this country, let's get real about NAFTA. It simply isn't working for all Americans. I am not just going to talk about what is wrong with NAFTA. I am going to fix it."
These are encouraging words.
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vaudree, I think both of your theories are correct.
tarasa, you got that right. I've been thinking we look like a banana republic for some time now, and that's now including our working class.
I liked the line from SiCKO, when an American living in France said "In France, the government is afraid of the people; in America, the people are afraid of the government". Well actually, since I live in America, there's nothing to like about that line.
kathyodat
Here, here, ruscle! (12:49 pm )
The idea that it's now a 'women' against 'blacks' race is absurd--and perfectly rovian! If hillary can't garner votes (from dems, that is) on her record or her beliefs, why should we care?!
It's now clear that obama is fighting a war on two fronts: the republicans (i.e., traitors to the constitution, violators of ethics like limbaugh) and the hillary democrats. As someone said earlier, it makes you root for him even more.
Rubbish. The right simply wanted to make the only electable Democrat, Clinton, a hate figure in liberal circles. They succeeded. Americans get democracy wrong again.
orwell understood the british (and american) culture well when he created his fictional two minute hate. i see the object of your hatred today is hillary rodham clinton. fortunately, your hatred is nothing new to her. she was tempered by right wing republican hatred for no good reason in the 1990's, and she can weather your left wing hatred as well.
i hope she does become the nominee so that she can show us what a good administrator looks like. a lot of people have forgotten. and i wish she would focus more on her economic ideas, whose time is ripe.
vaudree, Pat Robertson called for the assassination of Chavez. How come that was no big deal? Oh yeah, because he wasn't talking about America the Great. Way too many people still think we're the most wonderful benevolent country on earth. And way too many people are still hoping we will "win" this occupation of Iraq and not be losers. For them, it's all about winning and losing. They need to grow up. It's tragic how totally uninformed people are about what we're really doing out there. And Obama's minister is right. Our international behavior is obscene, Obama knows it, and is forced to pretend it isn't or get crucified by the corporate media. What a sick joke.
I don't think the Republicans can do any more damage to him than Hillary's done. And we will see if he can bounce back from that. He has gone down in the polls, thanks to her smears, we will see where things go from there. He's fighting back, but not throwing shit like she is.
kathyodat