President Weakens Espionage Oversight
WASHINGTON - Almost 32 years to the day after President Ford created an independent Intelligence Oversight Board made up of private citizens with top-level clearances to ferret out illegal spying activities, President Bush issued an executive order that stripped the board of much of its authority.
The White House did not say why it was necessary to change the rules governing the board when it issued Bush's order late last month. But critics say Bush's order is consistent with a pattern of steps by the administration that have systematically scaled back Watergate-era intelligence reforms.
"It's quite clear that the Bush administration officials who were around in the 1970s are settling old scores now," said Tim Sparapani, senior legislative counsel to the American Civil Liberties Union. "Here they are even preventing oversight within the executive branch. They have closed the books on the post-Watergate era."
Ford created the board following a 1975-76 investigation by Congress into domestic spying, assassination operations, and other abuses by intelligence agencies. The probe prompted fierce battles between Congress and the Ford administration, whose top officials included Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and the current president's father, George H. W. Bush.
To blunt proposals for new laws imposing greater congressional oversight of intelligence matters, Ford enacted his own reforms with an executive order that went into effect on March 1, 1976. Among them, he created the Intelligence Oversight Board to serve as a watchdog over spying agencies.
"I believe [the changes] will eliminate abuses and questionable activities on the part of the foreign intelligence agencies while at the same time permitting them to get on with their vital work of gathering and assessing information," Ford told Congress.
The board's investigations and reports have been mostly kept secret. But the Clinton administration provided a rare window into the panel's capabilities in 1996 by publishing a board report faulting the CIA for not adequately informing Congress about putting known torturers and killers in Guatemala on its payroll.
But Bush downsized the board's mandate to be an aggressive watchdog against such problems in an executive order issued on Feb. 29, the eve of the anniversary of the day Ford's order took effect. The White House said the timing of the new order was "purely coincidental."
Under the old rules, whenever the oversight board learned of intelligence activity that it believed might be "unlawful or contrary to executive order," it had a duty to notify both the president and the attorney general. But Bush's order deleted the board's authority to refer matters to the Justice Department for a criminal investigation, and the new order said the board should notify the president only if other officials are not already "adequately" addressing the problem.
Bush's order also terminated the board's authority to oversee each intelligence agency's general counsel and inspector general, and it erased a requirement that each inspector general file a report with the board every three months. Now only the agency directors will decide whether to report any potential lawbreaking to the panel, and they have no schedule for checking in.
Suzanne Spaulding, a former deputy counsel at the CIA who has worked as a congressional staff member on intelligence committees for members of both parties, said the order "really diminishes the language that calls on the Intelligence Oversight Board to conduct independent inquiries," leaving the panel as potentially little more than "paper pushers."
And Elizabeth Rindskopf Parker, a former general counsel at both the CIA and the National Security Agency who is now the dean of the University of the Pacific law school, said it was unwise for the Bush administration to undermine the Intelligence Oversight Board at the same time that the administration has been pushing for fewer restrictions on its intelligence powers.
"An organization like this gives some level of comfort that there is an independent review capability," Parker said. "Changes like this appear to water down an organization that contributes to the public's confidence."
But Tony Fratto, a White House spokesman, denied that the order reduced the authority and independence of the panel.
Fratto pointed to a federal statute that makes it a general duty of all government officials to report lawbreaking to the Justice Department. Because of this, he said, there is still a "widely understood background presumption" that the board can contact the attorney general even though Bush deleted the authority to make criminal referrals from its list of core responsibilities.
Fratto also said the changes merely updated the board's responsibilities after Congress in 2004 created a director of national intelligence to run the intelligence community. The order says the director is the person responsible for making any criminal referrals to the Justice Department.
Still, critics contend that the director of national intelligence cannot play the same watchdog role as the oversight board because he is part of the intelligence world, not independent from it, and so there may be occasions in which he has signed off on an activity whose legality might be questioned by outsiders.
Some analysts said the order is just the latest example of actions the administration has taken since the 2001 terrorist attacks that have scaled back intelligence reforms enacted in the 1970s.
In his 1976 executive order, for example, Ford also banned foreign intelligence agencies, such as the National Security Agency, from collecting information about Americans. The Bush administration bypassed that rule by having domestic agencies collect information about Americans and then hand the data to the NSA, The Wall Street Journal reported this week.
Ford's order also banned assassination. But Bush authorized the CIA to draw up a list of Al Qaeda suspects who could be summarily killed.
The administration decided that such targeted killings were an exception to the rule because it was wartime.
In 1978, Congress enacted a law requiring warrants for all wiretaps on domestic soil. But now spies are free to monitor Americans' international calls and e-mails without court supervision if the wiretaps are aimed at targets overseas.
In 1980, Congress enacted a law requiring that the full House and Senate intelligence committees be briefed about most spying activities. The Bush administration asserted that it could withhold significant amounts of information from the committees, briefing congressional leaders instead.
Finally, executive orders were once widely understood to be binding unless a president revoked them, an act that would notify Congress that the rules had changed. But the administration has decided that Bush is free to secretly authorize spies to ignore executive orders - including one that restricts surveillance on US citizens traveling overseas - without rescinding them.
Some critics of the post-Watergate era have contended that its investigations and reforms went too far. For example, Cheney, who was Ford's chief of staff, said in December 2005 that "a lot of the things around Watergate and Vietnam . . . served to erode the authority, I think, the president needs to be effective, especially in a national security area."
But Frederick A. O. Schwarz Jr., the former chief counsel to the Senate committee that undertook the 1975-76 investigation into intelligence abuses, said that by rolling back the post-Watergate reforms, the Bush administration had made intelligence abuses more likely to occur.
"What the Bush administration has systematically done is to try to limit both internal oversight - things like the Intelligence Oversight Board - and effective external oversight by the Congress," Schwarz said, adding, "It's profoundly disappointing if you understand American history, and it's profoundly harmful to the United States."
© 2008 The Boston Globe
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It is the only way to get our country back!!
Bush's next executive order will be to abolish the Congress & the Supreme Court, then he will finally be what he wants to be: KING!
@ jcrumb LOUDER does not mean RIGHTER or MORE INFORMED it is just rude...
however, if you are seeing impaired i apologize
Don't worry Nietzsche, there is something called "spiritual death," which Christ spoke of in the bible. It is possible for one to bury his soul so deeply, that he cannot find it again. If you could see how terribly GWB suffers in quieter moments, you might even feel compassion for him. Though one may talk endlessly about God and the bible, he may be insane and sadistic, and therefore 'dead' inside. There are more of these monsters than you may think, and a great many of them have high positions in this world.
Ford and Baker look like Ford and Baker. Cheney is a "before" shot of Dorian Grey.
I hope you die soon George. You and all your ilk are bound for the hell you so richly deserve. You understand the word "rich" don't you? With dummies like you one has to be sure.
"Now only the agency directors will decide whether to report any potential lawbreaking to the panel, and they have no schedule for checking in."
And guess who's paying the salaries of those fat cat directors twiddling their thumbs?
This is just one more step in the process. "The date of this dismantling was a coincidence." I wonder if July 4th will be another coincidence.
The REAL terrorists live in the Black House...
Not much time to spare, but wanted to share this quote with you guys:
"Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched."
George Bush (Senior) speaking in an interview with
Sarah McClendon in December 1992
xx
Some folks here blaming us progressives for not taking up arms against the US government.
When was the last time you picked up a gun in anger?
OK I am not suicidal so shoot me and get it over with!
All governments spy on other nations and it's own citizens. Most are not dumb enough to make it known by executive orders though.
And now it is the Dems fault for Bush's executive orders and Obama's fault for being a Dem and Dennis's fault for bein a Dem but we are saved by Nader!
Why didn't I think of that?
It is just a matter of good and evil..... Nader good and the rest ...well You be the judge.
1. Of course the USA has interests outside its borders, let us not lose our powers of reason here. The attack on 9/11 proves the worth of intelligence and also proves the lack thereof within our current administration for ignoring said intelligence. It is most unreasonable to call for a policy of isolationism, better we insist upon leaders who obey the law and follow the dictates of the constitution.
2. Amidst all the railing, rending of clothes and gnashing of teeth above I see damn little in the way of direction. It is we thepeople who are ultimately responsible for the actions of our government. It is we the people who are failing to insist, in large enough numbers and loud enough voices, that the separation of our branches of government, the checks and balances that ensure a democratic governance are in place and enforced.
Those who posit a light at the end of the tunnel because the coming election will bring a change to our government, a more responsive and responsible leadership in the Executive and the Houses of Congress are , in my opinion, a part of the problem. Neither Senator Obama nor Senator Clinton will be the answer to the a progressives agenda, no matter how many democrats are seated in Congress there will still be a government that serves only a small minority of the population of this nation.
As long as all you supposed "activists" and concerned citizens fail in your duty to this nation by a refusal to recognise that the Democratic party is only a seemingly kinder and gentler form of the same abuses we recognise in the GOP we will continue to suffer at home and cause suffering abroad.
votenader.org
elmysterio: You have NO valid interests outside the US.
Now that was worth repeating. I think it's becoming a worldwide concensus. The US has no legitimate interests outside its borders.
YOU ARE PAYING FOR THIS CORRUPTION..YOU! IT IS AGAIN APRIL..THE TIME THE FEDERAL BRANCH OF THE NOW OBVIOUS CORPORATE FASCIST THEOCRACY SENDS YOU THE BILL FOR THE "WORK" THEY INTEND TO DO WITH YOUR MONEY..GUESS WHAT..YOU ARE PAYING THE SALLERIES OF THE EVIL LITTLE WEASEL HIMSELF, AS WELL AS HIS ARMIES OF ZEALOTS THAT INHABIT DESKS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE WHOLE CROOKED LITTLE GIG GOES OFF WITHOUT A HITCH...REMEMBER IT WAS THE CLERKS THAT GAVE HITLER HIS POWER..AND THE SECRET POLICE..AND YOU ARE PAYING FOR BOTH...SO ..DON'T..
OUR FORFATHERS HAD TO TAKE UP ASSAULT RIFLES.(YEAH THE MUSKET IS A MILITARY RIFLE...)AS DO MOST FOLKS IN THIS WORLD IF THEY EVEN WANT A CHANCE AT CHANGE..WHEN IT GETS TO THIS POINT...BUT YOU? YOU CAN DO A NONVIOLENT APPROACH THAT IS THE HALLMARK OF THE GREAT SOCIETY...YOU CAN SIMPLY...NOT DECLARE!
THINK ABOUT IT..THE ONLY POWER WE HAVE LEFT..IS THE POWER OF THE PURSE..AND IF WE HOLD A GENERAL TAX STRIKE, TO LET THEM FINALLY KNOW..AND THIS IS OVERDUE BY 20 YEARS MINIMUM...IF WE DO THAT...THE PERFECT NON-VIOLENT REVOLUTION..WE DEPREIVE THEM OF THE ONE THING THEY HAVE TO HAVE..MUST HAVE..IN ORDER TO WAGE ILLEGAL WARS, MILITARY COUPS..ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION, AND ON AND ON AD NAUSEUM...THEY MUST HAVE THE BREAD LADIES AND GENTLEMEN..THEY NEED YOUR MONEY TO DO ALL OF IT..EVERY LAST BIT..WITHOUT THE RESOURCES....IT ALL COMES DOWN SO FAST IT WOULD BE MINDBOGGLING...FOR THE GOVERNMENT AS WELL AS THE CITIZENS THESE DAY'S..IS ONE PAYVHECK AWAY FROM FINANCIAL RUIN...
SO..WILL YOU PAY?..IT IS TOO BAD THAT 100 MILLION OF YOU CAN SPEAK UP...BUT WILL GO NO FURTHER..WILL NOT ACTUALLY PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR POSTS ARE...PLEASE PEOPLE...PLEASE DO NOT RATIONALIZE AWAY THE ONE "RIGHT" YOU STILL HAVE..THE RIGHT TO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE TRAGEDY THAT IS THE END OF THE AMERICAN EXPERIMENT...FOR THE END IT IS...THESE DAILY REALITY CHECKS..THESE DAILY SCANDALS, LIES, POLITICAL FIRINGS, LOSS OF OVERSIGHT, LOSS OF FREEDOM, LOSS OF PRIVACY...IT IS DAILY...DAILY...HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU NEED BEFORE YOU WILL MAKE A REAL COMMITMENT OF THE TYPE THAT WILL ACTUALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE? AND THE ONLY THING..THING ..THE O-N-L-Y THING THESE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND..IS MONEY AND THE POWER IT BRINGS...AND THE POWER THEY WIELD SO WRECKLESSLY..IS BEING FINACED BY YOU...PERIOD! SO DO NOT PAY..DO NOT PAY..DO NOT PAY..IT SI ALL WE HAVE LEFT...EVEN THE VOTE IS BASICALLY UNTRUSTABEL...(THEY WILL NEED TO STEAL 5 MILLION THIS TIME..PROBABLY IN COLORADO..TO GET MCCAIN IN...)
THE ONLY REASON WE HAVE ANY "RIGHTS' LEFT..IS THE MONEY..THEY WANT US TO 'GO OUT AND SHOP' AND WE ARE LESS LIKLY TO DO THAT IF WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH 5 CHECK POINTS MANNED BY BLACKWATER THUG RUNTS CHECKING OUR "REAL ID'S" SO...DO NOT PAY FOR IT...DO NOT..DO NOT..DO NOT PAY!
OR ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE COMPLICIT AND WILL NOT ACTUALLY RESIST THIS GRIM END OF DAY'S EVEN IF IT MEANS THAT YOU ONLY...NOT DECLARE...IT'S TOO EASY NOT TO DO...
… of all the things to quote me about … I'll now have to bring my camel over when I come
EVIL, you people say? INDEED, and the evil we speak of is obvious, as it was during fall 2002, though also as of when Bush stated, following 9-11, that the Taliban had had nothing to do with the 9-11 attacks, but their relationship with Osama (Usama) Bin Ladin and Al Qa'ida, and their supposedly maintained refusal to hand him over, which evidently was another Bush administration LIE. Well, for people for whom the evil was not very immediately or quickly obvious, it should have become obvious since. Its presence is "in our faces" and we shouldn't keep our eyes closed when this happens, svp.
For all those who still can't SEE, try PUTTING ON SOME BIFOCULS and getting rid of the junk that clutters up many minds.
Bla bla bla.
Anyway, the point is to provide some reality-based references illustrating the EVIL involved and how broadly applied it is. Many probably didn't see my post in the page for Tom Engelhardt's article posted here yesterday and there are a few links in it that I recommend ... strongly enough.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/13/7651/#comment-229666
Additionally, the mention of political ponerology and psychopathy reminded me of a good resource writer on this topic and I couldn't find my bookmarks (made two or three years ago) so did a web search and found what I'm looking for.
"Political Ponerology"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v7PJmKKsfM
QUOTE:
A presentation of Andrew Lobaczewski's masterpiece on psychopathy and pathocracy : Political Ponerology. How to understand macrosocial Evil. Distributed by Red Pill Press : http://redpillpress.com/ Visit this site for more info : http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/site_m...
END QUOTE.
He's the author or resource person I had in mind, but I'll just provide the above and then let people do their own Web searches for more material from or by him on this topic.
" namaste March 14th, 2008 2:30 pm
...
Even if I'm raving, ranting, and foaming at the mouth - I am still saner than any sociopath or psychopath."
I AGREE WITH YOU, but if you ever visit me, then please wear a bib, thanks. I'm not fanatical about cleaning out dust, ..., as soon as there noticeably is any, but still wouldn't want foam all over my residence, ya know. Hee hee.
Hey Lizard you are absolutely right, the British had done that to the Scottish and the Irish, let a few own the lands and the rest have to pay the land barons and the land barons paid the king of england etc etc and now it is going on in the USA and people still stick to the notion that we are civilized! What a crock of shit !!!
It is now survival of the richest not the fittest.
"Finally, executive orders were once widely understood to be binding unless a president revoked them, an act that would notify Congress that the rules had changed. But the administration has decided that Bush is free to secretly authorize spies to ignore executive orders - including one that restricts surveillance on US citizens traveling overseas - without rescinding them."
Charlie Savage:
I have always loved to read your no-bull$hit articles. One important thing I would like to ask: What does "widely understood to be binding" exactly mean? Have you found anything in the U.S. Constitution or anywhere else that gives a President of the United States the privilege to by-pass the other two co-equal branches of government with EXECUTIVE ORDERS or are they UNCONSTITUTIONALLY considered to be BINDING?
Where in hell is this presidential privilege of creating "executive orders" written that it should be "understood" to be binding? And if there is no binding law connected with executive orders, what gives a president the right to run roughshod over Congress?
I have read the Constitution numerous times and have failed to find anything that gives a president this privilege!
The loss of this oversight board means nothing. The CIA has never been held accountable since the days of the OSS. If the CIA dosn't like your ass your gone (well, with the exception of Fidel) usually in the most literal of ways.
You can't tell me that cheney/bush are pushing all this stuff just to hand power over to Clinton or Obama. McCain, maybe. They won't go away quietly in the next election, if we even have one. After all, bush thinks he's the chosen one (he thinks by god, we know by the Supreme Court) and will bring about the end of days. He's on a good pace.
The US has no right to spy on anyone, foreign or domestic. You guys get all bent out of shape because your government is spying on you... well think about how the rest of us in the world feels. Your government is spying on us too and we have NO recourse about it. Just because some US politician says it's OK to spy on the world, doesn't mean it is. You guys need to keep your shit inside your own borders. You have NO valid interests outside the US. The world would be a much better place if the Americans just stayed home.
I think turnabout is fair play. President Obama (or Clinton) should take advantage of these relaxed restrictions just long enough to find out what Bush, Cheney, Rove and company were doing. Find out everything. Secret energy deals, favors for lobbyists, back room decisions, fudged terrorist evidence, stifled scientists and professionals, railroaded democrats and other rivals, voter fraud... The whole nine yards and publish it for everyone to see. Then reinstate the oversight and make sure FISA is working, etc.
Make sure there is a copy in the SMU library!
Obama would be the best candidate for this. He has the least blackmailability.
The country belongs to those who own the land. The people are just workers and should be thankful the owners give them jobs. The owners deserve to act as they see fit since they support everybody with their intelligence and entrepeneurship. The rich are rich because they are better. Its time that this was made clear and the power rest exclusively where it belongs, the ones who made this country great, the owners. That, in a nutshell, is the philosophy that leads to this corruption. It started before 1776.
"Who is to guard the guards themselves?"
… well of course,
every American must be responsible
to watch carefully
NamasteP.S. When Prez Carter's "October Surprise" Coup de' ta
was never brought public, I suspected what I know now.
Future historians will certainly have trouble plumbing the
depths of our depravity, it makes the "black hole of Calcutta"
look positively luminous
"Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodites?" Juvenal
meanwhile congress is debating their version of fisa. let your congressperson know what you think about getting bush out before he can do more damage. IMPEACH BUSH! IMPEACH CHENEY! and after the republicans let them off, CENSURE THEM!
A good book,
Dismantling tyranny.
It CAN be done.
Estonia did it, Chile rebounded.
look at the leaders and the LESSONS, no one wearing a tie is gonna give them to you.
COMarc March 14th, 2008 1:14 pm When you say:"I learned a lot about reading between the lines of our corporate press by reading the memoirs of soviet dissidents. Even back in the late 80's\early 90's, it was amazing how much of what they said applied to what you saw in the American media."
Your point of lerarning so well, is EXACTLY why I'm so adamant about the Polish/Nazi/Communist research on /PONEROLOGY, THE SCIENCE OF EVIL. There is no one better at detecting the hideously clever PATHOCRACY (govt by pschopaths).
Even if I'm raving, ranting, and foaming at the mouth - I am still saner than any sociopath or psychopath.
Get the point here, the real reason why Russia and Germany fell (x2), is that they were taken over from within by mentally deficient BRAIN DAMAGED but highly motivated psychopaths. What else can explain the depths of depravity?
Namaste, GOD please -- Bless us, for we know not what we do
Fascism. Pure and simple. Megalomaniac #___ in World History with dreams of _____ (what?).
Yes, our governing bodies are corrupted, but what are we doing about it? WE allow this to happen, and continue to. It will take more than your vote to change this trend, don't be naive to think a Democrat will be immune. Anyone who bucks this system IN the system dies. Any little body, like us, who registers a voice of complaint, disappears.
This IS our reality.
Meanwhile, the dollar plummets. Helloooo...is anybody home?
so who's gonna be the lone sniper?
we need a hero.
Oversight is NOT what the corporatists need!!! Democracy sucks for capitalists!!!
What we are seeing is the rise of fascism in the United States. To complete this shift to a corporate plutocracy the government will need to "criminalize" and imprison what may be thousands of individuals. Expect another "terror" attack followed by a round up of "subversives."
Haliburton is already building the prisons
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/010206detentioncamps.htm
and for more pro-democracy news
http://www.wbai.org/
support WBAI--we need you guys!
Moderation? Right!
It's like gangrene. You cannot treat it. The limb must be removed.
Just checking to see if I can post here. I have been repeatedly blocked for providing a link to a petition for U.N. sanctions against America.
Bush is not going to give up the presidency. Congress has enabled him to brand anyone a terrorist and arrest and torture them. The eight hundred prison camps capable of holding 20,000 people each are not for foreigners, but for Americans, Americans who disagree with bush. We are told that there are approximately one million Americans currently on the terrorist list. That equates to about what the newly build prisons will hold. The people on this list will be arrested when bush declares himself the dictator. Things have gone beyond the tipping point and the stripping of the Intelligence Oversight Board of it's power is just another signal of what is upon us. In the face of this, American men will give their lives as always when the time comes. You are being openly and arrogantly robbed of your freedoms. These are my strongly held opinions. We hold these truths to be self evident.........
I learned a lot about reading between the lines of our corporate press by reading the memoirs of soviet dissidents. Even back in the late 80's\early 90's, it was amazing how much of what they said applied to what you saw in the American media.
One more time here for mass dessimination ..
http://ladybroadoak.blogspot.com/2008/02/special-prosecutor-information-plz.html
There is NO statute of limitations on WAR CRIMES, and crimes have been admitted.
Do, please, check it OUT.
If you think Obama has a Plan for bailing out this disreputable genocidal ERA for get it. Read Exec Order 13301 and see from whence all this CRAP sprang.
Between Operation Gideo, the CIA NAZIS, the cold war and atomic weapons, it's ALL been disturbing. IRON MOUNTAIN was NOT a fiction.
Now we have a watchdog on the CIA's WATCHDOG, who's WATCHDOGGING THEM??
Want change? Work for it, there are NO messiahs. There is no OBAMESSIAH, either. He is NOT upholding Geneva .. not by any stretch.
I gotta say this. THe Boston Globe does a much better job covering this stuff .. CIA, Pentagon, etc. .. than any OTHER paper ..
As soon as I saw the headline I knew this piece would be chock-a-block with propaganda. And I wasn't disappointed.
—Fratto sez: ... the changes merely updated the board's responsibilities after Congress in 2004 created a [director] of national intelligence to run the intelligence community. The order says the [director] is the person responsible for making any criminal referrals to the Justice Department.
Why do these totalitarians have such trouble pronouncing the word "dictator"? You expect mush-mouth W to butcher it (sounds like "decider"), but here it's twice referred to as "director."
—Article sez: "Bush's order deleted the board's authority to refer matters to the Justice Department for a criminal investigation, and the new order said the board should notify the president only if other officials are not already "adequately" addressing the problem."
In plain English: If the DoJ is already ignoring the rule of law, it's not necessary for the dictator to also be troubled with ignoring it.
—Further, "Ford's order also banned assassination. But Bush authorized the CIA to draw up a list of Al Qaeda suspects who could be summarily killed.
The administration decided that such targeted killings were an exception to the rule because it was wartime.
Find in the quote above the word "suspects." Get a dictionary and look up its meaning. Then re-read the statement with that context. By the way, in all the hoopla surrounding the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, I seem to have missed that the U.S has gone to war. Can anyone tell me where? Against whom? The congressional declaration didn't seem to make the news.
Other "exceptions to the rule" during a fascist resource grab: The Bill of Rights. And truth.
—And best of all: "... the administration has decided that Bush is free to secretly authorize spies to ignore executive orders ... without rescinding them."
My namesake wrote the book on this method. You all realize Hitler never actually repealed the Weimar Constitution, right?
Of course, our Congress will quickly react and put this back in place, but this time with the force of law instead of via executive order.
Yeah right. But that's what should happen. Take note of when it doesn't and then take note of exactly who's side the Dems are on.
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hey, there's a thought. With a Dem in the White House the Republicans in Congress won't be nearly as reluctant to restrict Presidential powers. They'd go after a Dem President with spying powers looking like an ugly mob with pitchforks and torches.
So, maybe the answer for American citizens who want their rights protected is to elect a Republican congress and a Dem President.
We damn well know the Dems won't protect our rights.
But I still like the idea of electing a Congress full of Greens better.
"Bush authorized the CIA to draw up a list of Al Qaeda suspects who could be summarily killed."
On whose authority? Gruesome and disturbing.
so enact the laws which Ford co-opted with his board! but you know damn well that such is far beyond those gutless sillies we call The Congress.
It's called "covering your arse." That's what it's called! What a sad, sick, pathetic joke this White House truly is.
Just wait until a Democrat is in the White House—We are going to witness the most massive 180-degree turnabout in American history. Suddenly across the media and in the halls of power, it will be "outrageous" that the Prez/VP have such incredible power to spy on Americans' every move.
**yep
"The White House said the timing of the new order was 'purely coincidental.'"
"But Tony Fratto, a White House spokesman, denied that the order reduced the authority and independence of the panel."
these two quotes from the article remind of the old line from the citizens of the erstwhile soviet union, who had to be far more media-savvy than we in the land of the "free press:" "i won't know it's true until i hear them deny it."
"No," said ex-President Bush, "No one told me about it. I had no notification that anything illegal was going on."
Jack37 180 degrees times ZERO
_________is still ZERO
With this much power, you will not see a democratic White House again!!!
It will be like the NE Patriots where they know the opposition plays before the plays were made!
True Democracy American Style!
Jack, did you have to remind me? I'd almost forgotten about all the screaming from the right wing when the Dems are in office. With the corporate media in hot pursuit. What a drag.
kathyodat
Just wait until a Democrat is in the White House---We are going to witness the most massive 180-degree turnabout in American history. Suddenly across the media and in the halls of power, it will be "outrageous" that the Prez/VP have such incredible power to spy on Americans' every move....Imagine the Right being "just fine with it, for our security" if Hillary as VP has all of Cheney's powers---YUH! Imagine the Right being glad that Democrats won't reveal with whom they've been meeting on energy, health care and all the rest. And suddenly The Constitution will matter again---at least as it seems to help the Right to foul up every initiative coming from the so-called Left. Watch the cries for impeachment come out of the woodwork. President's sex life? Go! Lying the country into a catastrophic and useless war? No problem. Dems meeting with solar and wind power producers? "High crimes and misdemeanors! Open fire!" WHAT A JOKE
Check out the movie "The Pentagon Papers". The Repugs are making it extremely difficult for any would be Ellsbergs to discover their multitude of crimes.
These criminals should be impeached, jailed and forced to pay back the money they have stolen with their war profiteering. Maybe the American people will have to rise up in revolt in order to have some degree of justice. The goal of these crooks is permanant Republican rule by whatever means necessary. We should not be surprised by any illegal actions the neo-cons take to further their ambitions. They have already engaged in wholesale election fraud to subvert the democratic process and install an evil moron in the whitehouse. They have been engaged in illegal domestic wiretapping and other illegal domestic surveillance since prior to 9-11. These people got away unpunished in the Iran-Contra scandal and they have only escalated their criminal, anti-American activities since then. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
All that is needed for the forces of evil to triumph is for enough good men to do nothing.
All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.
In order for 'evil' to prevail, all that need happen is for 'good' people to do nothing.
All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.
The surest way for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.
All it will take for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing.
All that is necessary for the forces of evil to take root in the world is for enough good men to do nothing.
All that is needed for the forces of evil to succeed is for enough good men to remain silent.
All it takes for Evil to prevail in this world is for enough good men to do nothing.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Why not? Bush has turned every federal agency into a hollow shell and now all we're doing is throwing money into a black hole.
No integrity, no accountability. The only politician I can see on the horizon who could turn that around is Obama. Clinton has made it clear that integrity and accountability is not in her resume.
kathyodat
Weakens? Weakens? what 'espionage oversight.' A non-reality and oxymoron on the clearest of days.
Unfortunately, the real problem in the United States is not the fact that Cheney/Bush are running a fascist takeover of the United States Government. The real problem is that the Legislative Branch is letting them do it, over the protests of We the People.
With a rubber stamp Reichstag as a legislative body, I fear we have no more hope than did the Weimar Republic when Hitler assumed power.
We have it all. Concentration Camps, modern versions of the SS and Gestapo, mass arrests are on the nearing horizon, Constitutional rights and freedoms have become bitter history.
You draw the conclusions. The American Sheeple haven't the guts to revolt, so we shall most likely just continue the slide into oblivion, dragging hundreds of millions with us around the world.
Why, in the name of all things holy and unholy to Americans continue to tolerate this UNPRECEDENTED GRAB for unlimited power?? Are we SO terrorized of the SHADOWS of terror THEY have created that we are willing to sell the soul of this nation for our own selfish ILLUSION of safety? WAKE UP AMERICA........the only terrorist to be concerned over is BUSHIGULA! We will pay and pay DEARLY for EVERY RIGHT we have allowed these SATANIC overlords to confiscate. What's it going to take, America? HOW MUCH MORE WILL WE TOLERATE. After they invade Iran, then Syria, then Pakistan, then Venezuela...will that be enough? OR, will our lethargy and arrogance keep us glued on our fat asses to our PLASMA TVS AND SUVs. Shame on all of us!
It is pretty crass and arrogant to settle old scores at the expense of a country.
This is just par for the course when you have a traitorous president. Our government is rotten from the head down, and I hope and pray we see the day when Bush, Cheney etc are all on trial for their crimes. There is a special place in hell for these monsters! Saddam will be in good company.