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Why Eliot Spitzer Should Have Resigned... And Why He Shouldn't Have
Some people think hypocrisy is not a sin in politics. Indeed, some people think one is so integral to the other that they can't imagine what would be left if you took the hypocrisy out of politics.
I'm not one of them. In fact, I'd have to say that I think hypocrisy is one of the greater political crimes. Not because I particularly think that politicians are more upstanding than the rest of the public, though I wish they were.
The reason that I find hypocrisy in politics to be particularly offensive is because it inherently implies a double-standard. It means that there is one morality for elites, and a whole other one for the rest of us chumps.
That sort of society is not only ugly; more importantly it is fundamentally corrosive of democracy. If we are not all equal politically and legally, if ours is not a republic of laws instead of men (or people, in this century), then we can throw out democratic notions altogether.
And therein, in my judgement, is the principal - and principled - case for Eliot Spitzer's resignation. Spitzer has been, to say the least, a zealous advocate for law enforcement. That can certainly be a good thing, done in the right way for the right purposes. But incumbent on such a vocation - especially when carried out as Spitzer did, with a broad and vociferous streak of moralizing - is the necessity for the prosecutor himself to be squeaky clean. No political or justice system can long expect to last with a widespread perception of dual standards based on social status. Spitzer doesn't seem to have believed that his own rules for everyone else also applied to him. That's hypocrisy, and I have a problem with that.
Moreover, not only was Mr. Spitzer a zealous and highly moralizing prosecutor, he actually broke up at least one sophisticated and elite prostitution ring, precisely like the one he appears to have patronized himself. And, of course, in the process of doing so he publicly derided the defendants for their lack of moral rectitude. That attitude alone is somewhat off-putting, but it certainly becomes a bigger issue when he then indulges in nearly the same behavior himself, by patronizing such an organization.
Because of his hypocrisy, it was right that Eliot Spitzer should have had to resign as governor of New York.
Just the same, part of me wishes he didn't. And that's because this is fundamentally yet another American sex scandal, based yet again on our absurd and doomed-to-fail, puritanical sexual morality.
My heart certainly goes out to Spitzer's wife and three daughters for the public humiliation they are suffering and probably will for a very long time to come. In that respect, I actually feel bad for Spitzer himself, as well. He messed up, but - like Clinton's impeachment - this is hardly the appropriate punishment.
Not that what he did paints a pretty picture, and not that he was kind to his family in doing it. But this is, first of all, a personal matter. Is it really necessary that the entire state of New York, the entire country, and much of the rest of the world be involved in this man's sex life? Does it really affect the public trust or his capacity to govern effectively? If Spitzer was into some other forms of 'sordid' sexual practice, but it was all done only with his wife, by what logic would that be more acceptable, as conventional morality suggests?
More importantly, though, America keeps experiencing sex scandals in large part because we continue to embrace an unrealistic and even unhealthy code of sexual morality. Fundamentally, we like to pretend that humans aren't actually sexual beings except when they're in bed with their heterosexual spouse. And therein lies the, er, rub.
For starters, anyone who's been through puberty knows the absurdity of this pretense. Imagine waiting from age twelve or so until your marriage at age thirty or so for any sort of sexual satisfaction whatsoever, including even the personal kind. You ought to get an Olympic medal, a Nobel Prize and a winning lottery ticket - combined - for pulling that one off. Not that even those would be a good trade, anyhow. What a ridiculous concept. At some level, we might as well expect people not to desire food, and then prosecute them for gluttony. One might predict approximately the same results from such equally thoughtful public policy.
Or perhaps avarice is the more appropriate analogy. Some humans desire material goods in extreme quantities, just as some people (and, very often, many of the very same folks in the first category) have a rapacious appetite for sex. Funny, isn't it, that this society praises the former - even when their behaviors can cause harm to thousands of other people - but ridicules, humiliates and criminalizes the latter?
Personally, I think that closing down factories in order to buy yourself that third yacht is rather a larger crime than hooking up with a prostitute for an hour or two of hanky-panky. But what do I know? Obviously not much, since the first guy gets some art museum wing named for him and the other guy gets a healthy dose of public humiliation and the opportunity to stand before a nice man with a gavel and black robes.
You know, I'm as sorry as the next guy that Augustine was riddled with lustful thoughts, and that he was freaked out by that fact. I'm sure it was all very traumatic for him. Meanwhile, though, I think perhaps it's finally about time that modern society ceases to have its sexual morality disastrously dictated by the particular obsessions and compulsions of some twisted bishop who was traipsing around North Africa during the fourth and fifth centuries.
Call me pollyannaish if you must, but I think we can handle it on our own (pardon the pun) from now on. I think we're grown up enough now to make our own rules for our own sexual conduct, without the guidance of some misogynistic monk whose greatest claim to fame was helping to launch the Dark Ages. I suspect perhaps that even god has grown tired of it all, and no longer particularly cares to monitor what each and every one of us does in bed, and with whom we do it. Six and a half billion people is a lot of sinners to keep your eye on, you know! Probably she's got enough other things to worry about these days, anyhow, just figuring out how to undo the damage caused by an American president chosen while she was off taking a little nap in 2000. And then there's that famine sweeping the Gamma Quadrant.
Once we were told that masturbation was a sin, and yet we as a society seem to have grown up enough to transcend that one. (Or mostly, anyhow. The website Bible.com reports that "What does the bible say about masturbation?" is one of their most frequently asked questions. Don't even get me started on the implications of that. Anyhow, they go on to explain that, yes, in fact, it is a sin.) I guess we're each on our own to deal with the hairy palm issue (hint: try Windex), but at least American society seems to have largely outgrown the absurdity of viewing jerking-off as a sin. What an accomplishment, eh? No wonder we're the greatest power in the world.
We also seem to have largely managed to transcend prohibitions on married couples using birth control, people engaging in premarital sex, and now even homosexual relations. It took us a very, very long time, and by no means are we entirely there yet. But American attitudes toward sexuality are certainly more mature today than they were a generation or two ago.
Most people get that these are private matters, subject to private morality. And, almost without exception, the ones that don't - from Swaggart to Haggard - are the very same people who are personally engaged in the most twisted stuff, as they alternate between repressing and expressing their sexual urges. Preaching to you about how you're going to rot in hell is no doubt a way for them to grapple with the bundle of massive internal fears driven by their own continually resurfacing proclivities. So maybe if we stop filling people up with biblical scare stories concerning their basic human instincts, we can stop reproducing this madness on TV sets and in pulpits. Hey, America, this memo's for you: Birds do it. Bees do it. So do, gulp, humans.
A mature society would realize that sexual mores need to be defined by individuals, within limits dictated by real physical or psychological harm. A good place to start is by emphasizing the 'consenting' and 'adult' parts of that eponymous formula. If consenting adults want to do it, and no one is harmed, there is little reason to imagine why it should be outlawed or even morally suspect (raised eyebrows or the occasional whispered snicker would still be permitted, however, at least where the kinkiest stuff is concerned). Look, some people like to have sex in beds, others in airplane restrooms. Some people like to wear Bozo costumes while doing it, others like to sing Broadway show tunes. Unless you desperately need to go potty at 30,000 feet and all the toilets are occupied, or you happen to be Secretary-Treasurer of the Anti-Clown Discrimination Association, who cares?
Similarly, partners need to negotiate what works best for them in their sexual relations, and that is just not a matter of the public interest. Some couples might be happiest in non-exclusive relationships. That should be their prerogative, without legal or moral penalty. If Eliot Spitzer promised his wife he'd be faithful to her alone, then she absolutely deserves a giant apology and more from him. But it's really not our business. It's bad enough for her that she has had to live through this personal ordeal. But the additional shame and public humiliation is only there because of our society's warped sexual morality.
With luck, someday we'll be able to look back at that set of morals, and their consequences, with a cringe and a groan. Europeans largely do. When former French president François Mitterrand died in 1996, his wife invited the old codger's mistress and his daughter by her to the funeral. Nobody blinked too much, and afterwards Mrs. Mitterrand received letters from other 'illegitimate' children, thanking her for helping to bring them out of the closet of social disrespect.
Perhaps the point is now moot where Eliot Spitzer is concerned. He threw in the towel as New York governor, consigning himself to a lifetime of his name being used as a Jay Leno punch-line, along with the likes of Larry Craig and Bill Clinton. And, anyhow, his case is complicated by the not inconsequential matter of his hypocrisy, his arrogance, and his altogether-too-gleeful profiting from the mistakes of others.
But just the same, isn't it time that this country grows up a little and stops obsessing about other people's rather basic human behaviors?
Wouldn't we have all been better off in a world where Spitzer had apologized profusely - but privately - to his wife, and then gone back to work improving the lives of the people of New York?
David Michael Green is a professor of political science at Hofstra University in New York. He is delighted to receive readers' reactions to his articles (dmg@regressiveantidote.net), but regrets that time constraints do not always allow him to respond. More of his work can be found at his website, www.regressiveantidote.net.

23 Comments so far
Show AllWhen will Americans realise that sex of all types is normal, prostitution will always be with us and making it crime or a thing of titters is just plain stupid (the only exception is where children are concerned). On the hypocracy issue, yes he was a hypcrite...that is harder to criminalize than prostitution. The only person that should be concerned with Eliot's sex life as long as it is between consenting adults are the participants.
If I have a choice of bringing down a person who overpaid for sex with a hooker or a person who started a war costing trillions and destroying the lives of millions...it's a no brainer. Let's concentrate on the important things like preserving our constitution, saving the planet and getting out the Iraq.
And it only proves our double standard that the woman involved is now receiving offers from PentHouse while Spitzer's being sent to the DogHouse.
Clearly prostitution should be legal & regulated throughout the US, just as it is in the civilized nations.
And what about our criminalization of teenage sex? Patently absurd.
Why Eliot Spitzer Should Have Resigned… And Why He Shouldn't Have
I disagree with your article. I'm a New Yorker who's been eagerly following this story and the one thing that you forget is that Spitzer broke the law. Clinton didn't break the law, Craig re-canted and is fighting it in court, but Spitzer can't fight it... they caught him red-handed with documentation. Don't get me wrong, I liked Spitzer and I think that he has his heart in the right place and as a politician, that's a real compliment. But what if Spitzer called his contacts in NYC to fly him in some real quality marijuana while he was taking care of govt. business in DC. There's nothing "wrong" with marijuana and even though I don't smoke it, I'd rather have potheads than alcoholics. But if they caught Spitzer on video rolling a fat blunt and smoking a big spliff in his hotel room, that's against the law and grounds for arrest/resignation, merely because it's against the law... not because he did anything that was really wrong.
Regarding your rant on "sexual ethics," I think that it is our legal right as Americans to have sex with other consenting adults (as long as we don't pay them) in private, etc... dressed however we wish. However, I think that the puritanical ethics that you mock are more substantial and relevant than you purport. I remember listening to "Focus on the Family" while I was taking a long road trip with a preacher and there was an interesting story:
Grandson: "Grandpa, what did you do for STD's when you were growing up?"
Grandpa: "I only needed one thing to prevent against STD's: my wedding ring."
I think that more Americans are looking for a return to sexual fidelity and sexual ethics, for good reason, not just because of society's "warped sexual morality." We've seen a rise in the Promise Keepers and others that challenge men to be accountable.
And I think that you're forcing your beliefs on the public as much as you imply that the backwards, hypocritical religious types force their views on the public.
"The right way to have sex is to have many partners and do whatever feels good for the moment. Just make sure that you have proper protection."
Just because we have the freedom to be completely polyamorous, leathermen and whatever else, it doesn't mean that we should. The whole idea of having sex only in the context of a committed relationship isn't a bad idea.
As a gay christian, I find it irritating that the gay community can have porn all throughout any "gay newspaper" and it's viewed as a "cultural thing," where as you can't have any other cultural/ethnic newspaper do the same thing.
Sure it is Gov. Spitzer's choice to step down or continue. And yes, maybe the DA's office is overly aggressive due to politics. Who knows? I'm not sure if I would want Spitzer continue as Gov., maybe, maybe not. But maybe the new guy will be even better... who knows?
What it comes down to is IT IS a personal choice and it's SPITZER'S PERSONAL CHOICE... not ours. He chose to step down because he felt that was the best thing to do.
And I really don't think that the "additional shame and public humiliation" was only because of society's mores. For Spitzer to pay women young enough to be his daughter for sex is wrong on a variety of levels. I used to work in a high prostitution area of town and I really hated all of the wealthy johns that would drive through and pick up messed young girls and pay them for sex. I felt that they were to blame, not the young ladies.
"isn't it time that this country grows up a little and stops obsessing about other people's rather basic human behaviors ?"
David Michael Green's question is half correct, as sex is the least of America's real problems.
Psychopaths also have base desires, and watching Geo the inferior destroy this once proud Country infuriates me.
To wit, liars and unprincipled people are not necessarily psychopaths, but the opposite is TRUE. One of the few hopes we have to stop their psychotic pathetic and insidiously vacant-of-real-feelings "wolf in sheep's clothes" attacks (being ~ 6 % of the general population) -- is catching them lying.
The testing of public servants needs to include provisions to detect and extracte such hidden monsters, before they end up in the white house ever again. These twisted and deprived soulless husks, are impersonating people who do care, and blend in very easily with hteir talents for conning and manipulating others.
Basic human society DOES assume that ALL people are good, until proven not to be, and that is a good thing for 94% of the people. The psychopaths (6%) can lie beyond comprehension, and even when caught, continue to prevaricate extraordinarily well. It is the basic goodness of all (other) people, which is the hidden opening for these wicked murders and tortures -- as we all tend to excuse each minor "glitch" when talking with either type of personality. Which is fine 96 out of every 100 times.
This evil is spreading, organizing and has already aligned to form the largest and most dangerous ever criminal enterprise - The republican party, and likely all of its leaders
The American people are literally sheep being lead to slaughter by wolves acting as if they were sheep. We have nearly no time left to act, as the precipice is already upon us, and the depths of disaster are far beyond anyone's worse nightmares.
W A K E ___ U P ___ or
___ D I E __ D O W N
This is science and a bit of intuition, not the ravings of the insane, which we already see everyday in Washington DC.
I've just finished the web version of a spectacularly well researched book:
Political Ponerology: A Science on The Nature of Evil adjusted for Political Purposes by Andrew M. Lobaczewski with commentary and additional quoted material by Laura Knight-Jadczyk
This is ALL about the formal study of evil, was initially killed for
US distbn by Mr. Zbigniew Brzezinski in a very cunning way, but the
author re-wrote the whole document.
The psychopathically flawed Polish Communist structure and
mechanisms of Stalin provided the raw material for this important work
of the causation of our current situation of how geo the inferior has
stolen the farm out from under US.
A very excellent web site is stocked with much of the crucial material, for free, including excerpts from Hare's research and
THE PSYCHOPATH - The Mask of Sanity:
http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm
The link to Political Ponerology … is in the upper left column of links
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Certainly a more enlightened sexual morality is called for - as is extending the parameters of morality to embrace more than just sex but how we live our lives - but please let us not forget that the sex trade is based on the objectification, commodification, exploitation, and degradation of all involved. Prostitution is not a victimless crime.
It used to be, at least when I was growing up, that your sex life, your religious life, and your political life were understood to be personal choices and respected as such. That's obviously gone today. Yes he broke the law, and so did she. But, a ruined life and family for a man who wanted some physical contact with a woman. And perhaps a financial windfall and exciting future for the woman. Both consensual. Both adults. What kind of society penalizes and rewards its people for enjoying each others company when it takes place outside of social norms. That's what's wrong here, not one guy's choice to want to lay naked with someone.
Hoa binh
My wife is from China and because of that I had the opportunity to spend some time in China in the mid-1990s, before it started to become Westernized. That experience shattered all my preconceptions about human sexuality and universal behavior patterns.
The communists had purged sexual images and messages from the media and generally from the popular culture, and as a result of that, and possibly as a result of other cultural factors as well, the Chinese were far, far less sex-obsessed than Americans were. The Chinese teen who engaged in sexual activity was in a small minority, and most Chinese apparently lived without sex until late in their 20s. The divorce rate was miniscule and the rate of infidelity was quite low.
The US resident of today may be more inundated with sexual images and sexual messages than any human being in any culture in history. Americans have become sex-obsessed and this obsession feeds off of itself and grows and grows. It should not surprise anyone when a middle-aged married man in the US becomes obsessed with young beautiful women, and it should not be surprising that such a man cannot easily satisfy such urges legally and would resort to illegal means such as prostitution. And it should not be that surprising that Mr. Spitzer was such a man.
Accordingly, as Dr. Green argues, the main transgression of Mr. Spitzer was not in how he obtained the sex he felt he needed (his wife is the victim and should be the judge and jury in that matter), but in admonishing and even punishing others for behavior that he so frequently engaged in.
this is fundamentally yet another American sex scandal, based yet again on our absurd and doomed-to-fail, puritanical sexual morality.
With this Mr. Green is engaging in unwinnable ideological combat which for the most part has become a very unproductive end in itself in the United States. To rid ourselves of such unproductive and highly destructive "combat for its own sake", let the progressive side articulate what it considers the ideal reasoning of the sex scandal issue:
Yes, Spitzer must be held to account for breaking the law, but so should the top two criminals in the White House for their much more serious crimes. The laws must be enforced, and for the purpose of justice only. Selective enforcement for political purposes must be banned. Also, the violation of the marriage vow is personal and should not be pursued publicly for any reason. Instead, the family should seek redress for that out of public view.
Any person, group or institution who seeks prosecution, or fails to uphold justice, or fails to properly defend accordingly, is contributing to the corruption of the society and should be pressured, socially, economically, and politically to change behavior. Indviduals may do their part to help enforce the correct behaviors in the soiciety by shifting their individual exchange/association accordingly, this includes voting in elections but also economic exchange.
i am starting to have a problem with the whole 'consenting adults' thing.
Just why are we so sure we are adults ? Doesn't being an adult mean behaving maturely ?
A great many children behave much more maturely than the adults in their lives. And they don't make a big deal about it either.
Most children instinctively know that it is wrong to behave in ways that hurt others. At least until they learn otherwise. A great deal of 'adult' sexual behavior is predicated on, at some level, hurting others. But, if it's between consenting 'adults', it's okay.
Maybe, when Christ said that we must "become like little children to enter the kingdom of heaven", he meant that we must lose our sexual besottedness.
My children, and many others of their age group (early twenties), are exhibiting a much greater level of sexual maturity (honesty, fidelity, loving intent) than most of the older 'adults' they have for role models. They just let all this sick stuff go by, it is not part of their reality. We should take a hint !
Kivals, your information re China in the mid-'90s was really interesting. My late husband, who grew up in Europe, often remarked on how sex-obsessed U.S. culture was. He had been raised with a matter-of-fact attitude towards sex (no puritanism) and thought Americans were like perpetual teenage boys -- leering and giggling -- instead of learning how beautiful sex and love are when joined together.
Alaskamaid, I took heart when reading your description of today's 20-somethings. May their tribe increase!
Kivals, a colleague of mine did two teaching stints in China (1990s), and his comments about China were very similar to yours.
Hypocrisy is indeed a political sin, but as such it is up to the voters to balance it against the sinner's positive accomplishments, and vote accordingly in the next election. As hypocrisy, Spitzer's sin is no worse than say, a right-wing war-supporting Congressman pulling strings behind the scenes to get his son in the military sent somewhere other than Iraq. (I say 'as hypocrisy,' to indicate I am ignoring the fact that Spitzer's conduct may have been criminal. If it was, it was so in virtue of a stupid law with a racist past that no one should be prosecuted under.)
If this conduct came to light, the public would have the right to know about it. Should the congressman resign if he were thus exposed? Certainly not. But it would be entirely appropriate for a voter in his district to vote against the bum for this reason in the next election.
On the other hand, it would also be entirely appropriate for a voter to consider the hypocrisy in the context of what the Congressman has done for his district or the nation, as the voter sees it, reasoning, e.g., "yeah, Congressman X is a hypocrite, but I agree with his support for the war and I like his no-taxes pledge, so I'm going to hold my nose and vote for him." Similarly for politicians caught in mens' rooms after having bashed gays, etc. (Going after children is a serious crime and a different matter.) This is why Republicans defend their guys in these situations: they're weighing the bad against (what they take to be) the good. They would be fools not to do this. That's politics.
Unfortunately, many liberals seem to think that hypocrisy at least of the Spitzer sort, is some sort of super-sin that is so bad that it trumps any regard for what good the offender has done. And they think it magnanimous, or fair, or something similarly stupid, for us to take a "principled" stand and demand resignation in such cases, just as we would (it is claimed) demand resignation if a Republican acted similarly. This is an idiotic, polyannaish, and infantile attitude. Republicans grandstand about this crap knowing that many liberals will cop this gutless attitude and be the first to line up to bring down the liberal guy who is a thorn in their side.
This should be fought out as hard-ball politics. Yeah, Spitzer is an arrogant asshole and a hypocrite. He has also made a career out of going after truly despicable corporate creeps who cause more real harm to ordinary folks every morning with a stroke of the pen than Spitzer has been guilty of in his entire life. We should be rallying around our guy, admitting that he's a shit, but reminding everyone we don't elect politicians because we like their manners but because they fight for what we believe in. And we should be fighting back by investigating every lead that indicates that Spitzer was targeted by the Bush justice department, a gang of political criminals unparalleled in the recent history of the country.
Instead we get these hand-wringing so-called "principled" liberals who are in reality nothing but stooges for the right wing. It makes me sick. "Hypocrisy" is a loser's whine. Get over it, grow some balls, and start fighting back.
Spitzer is just as rotten as the dudes he went after, they had already sold their good name for trash before he went after them. He sold his good name for not even a romp in the hay but a transactioanal use of a womans vagina, cold and calculating. He sullied his relationship with wife and family for that. Not too bright. You want to forgive him that and keep him on as Guvner, what else are you going to turn the blind eye to, a little graft , sticky fingers, when do you want to stop? Sorry but the bum got what was coming to him. His family and his voters deserved better.
And what about the 'theory of relativity'? Yes Spitzer is hypocritical, and yes America is obsessed with repressing and/or expressing sexuality, but what about the relative importance of issues? How can we condemn a man for this stupidity while allowing the horrendous national and international crimes of Cheney and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz and Rove and that other sleazy little weasel from Texas? We expect Spitzer's resignation, but we don't have the will to impeach, prosecute and imprison this pack of evildoers.
Spitzer is not the only one with double standards!
We need someone like poor dumb Spitzer every now and then to make an example of and show ourselves and the world how Christian and law abiding we are in this country. This takes the spotlight off the ones that are really breaking the laws in a big way and we all know who they are. He was no doubt set up to take a fall by political enemies or people he had convicted of a crime.
About the worst thing Spitzer did was to drag his poor wife up to make a pretense of family solidarity, which did not convince anyone of that. In this country, it is not what someone has done, but who is unlucky enough to get caught or targeted. Our Justice system is about as accurate as a throw of the dice.
The "legal" dice being thrown by the banks, have no dots on them, so there is never a chance for them to be threatened by any justice, especially when it's about:
$200,000,000,000.00 payoff
that is 200 billion dollars
paid by American taxpayer (+interest) to corrupt greedy banks,
who already made massive profits with subprime fiasco,
kick people out of their homes, and continue with predatory practices that the Federal regulators step in and block States from fighting back against
Spitzer championed punishment for crimes that he later committed, and lied/cheated on his wife while championing woman's rights. He is a two-faced lier. This is not about the morality of prostitution; It is about Spitzer's moral rants about such things followed by his hypocritical behavior. Men have desires, but if we acted on all of them, not a woman would be safe. From the look on Spitzer's wife's face, she is really a great actress or she has been lied to. He had an obligation to suppress his lust, or to end the relationship with his wife (or tell her his plans), and soften his stance on prostitution, before endulging his appetite. She also had a right to know that her heath was being put in jeopardy. I for one do not want someone representing me in government that cannot control his urges anymore than I want a dog in my house that cannot control its bladder. However, I would give the dog the benefit of the doubt. At least the dog may have a medical condition.
I agree that it's long past time to focus in on the Augustinian source of the whole "original sin"/ sexual puritanism that still grips this culture...and to move on. Which certainly doesn't mean "anything goes."
Puberty has not always begun at 12 or 13 (or, in many cases, even younger these days). A hundred years ago, puberty began somewhere between 15 and 17. There are important differences in emotional and cognitive development at those later ages. A little research shows that changes in our diet are the main sources of this particular change--i.e., biological, not moral.
Starting there, we also tend to conflate emotional and genital needs, such that much of our focus is on just "getting it on" rather than on learning even the rudimentary stages of human emotional development, not to mention emotional literacy or maturity. We've used "reason" and "cognition" to "control" (or not, as the case may be) rather than to actually learn about human emotion.
How many of the bigger, much more widespread crimes against humanity like Iraq are also, at least in part, the result of emotional immaturity and primitivism--"I'm going to one-up my dad, so let's just bomb the hell out of everything in sight." Even "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" was intended to mean "ONLY an eye for an eye and ONLY a tooth for a tooth" in which case, our vengeance for 9/11 is way beyond over the top.
I concur that it is insane for Spitzer to have to resign over sex while Bush/Cheney/Rice continue their obsessions with the evils of others and the purity of the U.S. It's just that the bigger problem isn't sex and it isn't the evil of others.
As a species, we have yet to figure out one of the most basic human possibilities: how to address even rudimentary differences and conflicts without having to resort to dominating or killing each other (and then going to have sex to make ourselves feel better). And whether it's at the individual/sexual level or the worldwide/diplomacy-war level, it's still the same basic problem.
NOVA ---
There is sexual pleasure BEFORE puberty . . .
Little boys hands seem attached to their penises from birth onward and I am quite sure that little girls would
also be doing the same but for custom.
Fully agree that this is a sad and misfortunate loss of someone who was actually holding corporations to accountability and might have had an interesting future political career as a Democrat.
I agree with the article and wish he could have stayed.
HOWEVER . . .
As I'm sure we've all noticed, this has also brought forth
many discussions about prostitution, evidently now being considered a career move for some females.
The background of prostitution is females all over the world being kidnapped and held in sexual slavery. It is the female in Iraq without food, begging in the streets.
It is the female in Afghanistan trying to feed her family by prostituting herself. It is our female soldiers --- and a goodly number of male soldiers --- sexually harassed and assaulted in our military. It is rape and sexual assault used in every war as a tool of war.
It is now and always has been oppression, violence, coercion, and financial need which forces females into prostitution.
It is the occupation of last resort for males and females,
but universally --- mainly females.
Yes . . . we might legalize it in order to separate it from organized crime. We might legalize it and protect it so that women are not abused by pimps and gangs seeking to
enslave them.
Better yet . . . we might try to end the oppression of females and the desire to dominate in males which leads to this outrage.
Conscience: Fully agree that the desire to dominate is one of THE central problems. Fully aware and agree that sexual pleasure exists long before puberty. My point was simply that serious lack of understanding about how we also develop emotionally (totally connected to the historical repression of "emotion" as a "female" thing) hinders progress and greater understanding in all these areas, not as a one-size-fits-all solution but as a critical component of any change, including the desire to dominate.
According to some who have spent their lives seeking root causes (e.g., Diamond, Eisler), the desire to dominate arose 5,000 years ago in nomadic, animal-herding cultures trying to survive super-harsh climates where even survival depended on dominating and ultimately killing that which you had once nurtured and raised. Surely it's time to be done with a modus operandi arising out of one type of geography/climate from 5,000 years ago.
The question is, as Frances Moore Lappe calls them, what are the "entry points" for the needed changes. Paul Hawkin ("Blessed Unrest") has a 100+-page appendix of different angles from which people are trying to address these issues.
I personally think the deconstruction and alternatives to our current economic systems need every bit as much attention as emotional literacy, and that obviously includes oppression of females and the survival needs of prostitutes.
There is no "one" answer or "one" solution. It will take coordinated efforts from many, many different angles, don't you think?
regardless of everyone's beliefs about ethics, morality and sexual responsibility, nobody has mentioned (maybe do not know) how these transgressions became public knowledge.
Yes - Lets blaim the messenger. Spit should not be held accountable. Its all a conspiracy. "Lay down with dogs and wake up with fleas"--I hope the young lady decontaminted after being with Spit. My appologies to four-legged dogs for comparing them to a two-faced politician!