6 Signs The US May Be Headed for War in Iran
Is the United States moving toward military action with Iran?
The resignation of the top U.S. military commander for the Middle East is setting off alarms that the Bush administration is intent on using military force to stop Iran's moves toward gaining nuclear weapons. In announcing his sudden resignation today following a report on his views in Esquire, Adm. William Fallon didn't directly deny that he differs with President Bush over at least aspects of the president's policy on Iran. For his part, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said it is "ridiculous" to think that the departure of Fallon -- whose Central Command has been working on contingency plans for strikes on Iran as well as overseeing Iraq -- signals that the United States is planning to go to war with Iran.
Fallon's resignation, ending a 41-year Navy career, has reignited the buzz of speculation over what the Bush administration intends to do given that its troubled, sluggish diplomatic effort has failed to slow Iran's nuclear advances. Those activities include the advancing process of uranium enrichment, a key step to producing the material necessary to fuel a bomb, though the Iranians assert the work is to produce nuclear fuel for civilian power reactors not weapons.
Here are six developments that may have Iran as a common thread. And, if it comes to war, they may be seen as clues as to what was planned. None of them is conclusive, and each has a credible non-Iran related explanation:
1. Fallon's resignation: With the Army fully engaged in Iraq, much of the contingency planning for possible military action has fallen to the Navy, which has looked at the use of carrier-based warplanes and sea-launched missiles as the weapons to destroy Iran's air defenses and nuclear infrastructure. Centcom commands the U.S. naval forces in and near the Persian Gulf. In the aftermath of the problems with the Iraq war, there has been much discussion within the military that senior military officers should have resigned at the time when they disagreed with the White House.
2. Vice President Cheney's peace trip: Cheney, who is seen as a leading hawk on Iran, is going on what is described as a Mideast trip to try to give a boost to stalled Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. But he has also scheduled two other stops: One, Oman, is a key military ally and logistics hub for military operations in the Persian Gulf. It also faces Iran across the narrow, vital Strait of Hormuz, the vulnerable oil transit chokepoint into and out of the Persian Gulf that Iran has threatened to blockade in the event of war. Cheney is also going to Saudi Arabia, whose support would be sought before any military action given its ability to increase oil supplies if Iran's oil is cutoff. Back in March 2002, Cheney made a high-profile Mideast trip to Saudi Arabia and other nations that officials said at the time was about diplomacy toward Iraq and not war, which began a year later.
3. Israeli airstrike on Syria: Israel's airstrike deep in Syria last October was reported to have targeted a nuclear-related facility, but details have remained sketchy and some experts have been skeptical that Syria had a covert nuclear program. An alternative scenario floating in Israel and Lebanon is that the real purpose of the strike was to force Syria to switch on the targeting electronics for newly received Russian anti-aircraft defenses. The location of the strike is seen as on a likely flight path to Iran (also crossing the friendly Kurdish-controlled Northern Iraq), and knowing the electronic signatures of the defensive systems is necessary to reduce the risks for warplanes heading to targets in Iran.
4. Warships off Lebanon: Two U.S. warships took up positions off Lebanon earlier this month, replacing the USS Cole. The deployment was said to signal U.S. concern over the political stalemate in Lebanon and the influence of Syria in that country. But the United States also would want its warships in the eastern Mediterranean in the event of military action against Iran to keep Iranian ally Syria in check and to help provide air cover to Israel against Iranian missile reprisals. One of the newly deployed ships, the USS Ross, is an Aegis guided missile destroyer, a top system to defense against air attacks.
5. Israeli comments: Israeli President Shimon Peres said earlier this month that Israel will not consider unilateral action to stop Iran from getting a nuclear bomb. In the past, though, Israeli officials have quite consistently said they were prepared to act alone -- if that becomes necessary -- to ensure that Iran does not cross a nuclear weapons threshold. Was Peres speaking for himself, or has President Bush given the Israeli an assurance that they won't have to act alone?
6.Israel's war with Hezbollah: While this seems a bit old, Israel's July 2006 war in Lebanon against Iranian-backed Hezbollah forces was seen at the time as a step that Israel would want to take if it anticipated a clash with Iran. The radical Shiite group is seen not only as a threat on it own but also as a possible Iranian surrogate force in the event of war with Iran. So it was important for Israel to push Hezbollah forces back from their positions on Lebanon's border with Israel and to do enough damage to Hezbollah's Iranian-supplied arsenals to reduce its capabilities. Since then, Hezbollah has been able to rearm, though a United Nations force polices a border area buffer zone in southern Lebanon.
Defense Secretary Gates said that Fallon, 63, asked for permission to retire. Gates said the decision, effective March 31, was entirely Fallon's and that Gates believed it was "the right thing to do." In Esquire, an article on Fallon portrayed him as opposed to President Bush's Iran policy and said he was a lone voice against taking military action to stop the Iranian nuclear program. In his statement, Fallon said he agreed with the president's "policy objectives" but was silent on whether he opposed aspects of the president's plans. "Recent press reports suggesting a disconnect between my views and the president's policy objectives have become a distraction at a critical time and hamper efforts in the Centcom region," Fallon, said in the statement issued by Centcom headquarters in Tampa, Fla. "And although I don't believe there have ever been any differences about the objectives of our policy in the Central Command area of responsibility, the simple perception that there is makes it difficult for me to effectively serve America's interests there," he said. Gates announced that Fallon's top deputy, Army Lt. Gen. Martin Dempsey, will take over temporarily when Fallon leaves. A permanent successor, requiring nomination by the president and confirmation by the Senate, might not be designated in the near term.
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Show AllFRANK1569...you are the most ignorant person I have ever seen in the internet,by calling 75 million people "ants".
You sound so uneducated that I am gussing that you have never left your small village in deep South to see the world, and you also might be a member of KKK since you show your hatrate very clearly to the world. I am wounder
whether you have finished the 4th grade,since your IQ is less than an ant,by calling 75 million people ants. You are so lucky that American Indians did not step on your ansestors like "steping on the ants" in order for you to come to this world,and run your mouth like toilet. Frank here is number 8 that you have been missing for a long time. Go get a life,go to church,go school,travel out of your village and see the world,spend times with your children if you have any,go to hospitals and nursing homes visit eldery people. Try to learn how to pray,and pray for peace,peace around the world. For the best,God may bless.Reza K.
The amount of fear needed to be sold in order to invade Iran would have to be immense. The American people are in no mood for another cry wolf scenario. If Bush does intend to do this he would need the support of the people. Another 9/11 blamed on the Iranians could do this. Otherwise it will have to be basic fear-mongering 101 like they're so good at. We must never declare war, which is what it will be if we bomb Iran, without a congressional declaration. We must be vigilant in our stances and maybe, just maybe, time will run out on this historical little group of neocons and America can go back to at least seeming to try to be decent. I'm hoping Obama can infuse some common sense into this world and we can all go back to getting along and even thriving. Hope.
Amen, peaceman.
anne faith,
I hope China doesn't become the model for the future world. If we want a progressive, humane, egalitarian model, then the Scandinavian countries come in first place.
China is full of contradictions and is no people's paradise but they are attaining prominance in the world and do have long range plans. They are to old a culture to have a demented leader such as GWB ruining their country.
Okay, okay. If China becomes the model for the future world, and we all end up like China, does that mean I need to worry that if I'm walking my dogs down the street one day on their leashes, some goons are going to jump out of a truck, club my dogs to death, and throw 'em in the back of a truck, because there's no rabies vaccination program? How inspiring.
KEM,
Remember Joe Pyne? I remember him saying something about 40 years ago or so that if an atomic bomb was detonated in the air over Chicago, it would disrupt our communication system. Of course the technology is completely different from those days but you bring up an important point about dependence on satelillite and electronic systems.
The 'Dragon' and the 'Bear' have been developing their own GPS and anti-satellite system to counter our equipment.
The Chinese Army trains hard and don't have to bribed with stolen taxpayer dollars called enlistment/reenlistment bonuses either.
KEM -- About the subs, we probably "forgot" that the technology for super smooth and exactly round ball bearings (part of mechanical support of drive shaft), was the reason our subs used to better than everyone else's.
dumb, dumb. Looks like the profit motive lead some knowledge challenged McMIC outsource contractor to sell the farm, and have them build our "balls" for us. Or if not, their spies were able to lift the relevant details, or paid enough for them. Or perhaps, we just want more competition to bump up military expenditures.
Namaste
Did you know that all two million of the Chinese army are highly trained experts in Kung FU, sword and konfe fighting, all three methods of that hand to hand combat art. They will march twenty or more miles and fight to the death. Their new atomic submarines are better at stealth than ours. Recently, during An American naval exercise in the Pacific, a Chinese sub surfaced in their midst and no one knew it was there until it popped up and their captain waved a cheery hello. _____ Scary.
Our military is now locked into electronic and satellite war-fare. We are totally dependent upon it. If there is any disruption of that, we are screwed royally.
China will invade Taiwan when the timing is right for them Mike. Most likely when our military, including the navy has been broken as badly as our army and Natioal Gaurd are.
That "Fuck Bush" was neat Marjorie.___ LOL.
And here for Mr. Wo Fat are this evenings headlines on Tibet:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23655386
Goodnight everyone.
There are more internet users in China than in the USA. You are the typical American stereotypical America red neck; spouting stock slogans.
You Americans say that every American can be President but then it will costs a candidate US$500 million to run a campaign; what does that say for your ridiculously insane system; at least under our system the best and brightest gets to be President and he need not spend tha shit that your USA insanity requires. Freedom of speech an American human right but your government monitors every American like the good ole "1984", if I may say so, only the USA is closest to the nightmare of "1984". Torture is an American human right and the USA has the cheek to lecture us in the third world about American democrazy, but what about Abu Ghraib ? What about Guantanamo ? What about that shit like RENDITION not even Ghenzhi Khan could think up the Animal inhumanity of the Americans torturers.
China today is the examplar of a free nation that totally looks after their own citizens as no other nations do. The USA is on the other hand the most cruel and restrictive imperial power on earth; you killed by radio active bombs and by gas, more than 1 million Iraqis and put another 2.5 million Iraqis homeless and living in the most dire conditions of no water and no roof over their head. You dispersed over another 2.5 million Iraqis into exile to all nations of the world. If there is a God and I say there isn't America is now feeling the retribution of God and for all the suffering that you Americans have sown in the world, the USA is now GOING BROKE !
LOOK AT THE WORLD SITUATION TODAY AND DO ADMIT THAT CHINA IS ON THE ASCENDENCY AND THE USA IS IN DEEP DECLINE. The USA is already broke. I said that over 2 years ago but today you are IT.
Hey yap! I'm afraid Marjorie Ann has bitch-slapped you.
BTW - I'm OK with socialism, but not the way China has been doing it - at the barrel of a gun.
It's Maggie, not Margy but WHATEVER !!! Oh right, heehee, that's why you guys LOST the bid to develop your new shit cars here in Baja, noone wants the shit that falls apart, and BTW, my dad was a China Marine.
Get lost and dream on, your government sucks and how about this for vulgar, FUCK BUSH, heehee lookie there, I can say that here or in the States and not be put in a prison camp or have my brains blown out....yet anyway.
And that my little Chinese friend, is a huge difference between your government and mine.
BTW, if your government is so freakin great, why don't they get the Japs to compensate your people for war crimes, comfort women and medical research done on them prior to and during WWII???
Heh, how come you aren't BLOCKED like everyone else in China? Oh, I see, only the elite have access to the internet.
Hei Margy ! You just wanna get you claws into our Chinese people because you just can't see the likes of a successful Communist government. You Americans better get used to a great China like of 10,000 years of culture.
Socialism with Chinese characteristics is a new model for good government, and your American model for "democraze" is old shit. The third world is gravating towards China's model and Africa, Asia and Latin America and the Middle east are all seeing the light and they want what the Chinese have; SOCIALISM WITH CHINESE CHARACTERISTICS.
My Blogg. is at http://yap.chongyee.blogspot.com
WTF does that mean,"...of course then too I understand she lives in Mexico"??? Yep, I do, couldn't stand the freakin congestion in San Diego after being born and raised there. Here's my site: http://marjorieanndrake.blogspot.com/
Yes, we have been to China.
Also, I just love how the Chinese gangstas censor the internets. wow, wonder why that is ? heehee, bullshit.
I am not anti-Chinese people, I am anti-Chinese bullshit government.
MaxheMust,
Go quickly to David Kreiger's article. The censors are trying to shut me up again.
I recently dreamed that the pentagon, white house, and wall street complex were totally blow up in the middle of the night. It was a very good dream.
Those three places are the headquarters for our most horrific domestic enemies. Sadly, the poor bastards don't seem to know any better.
lost_progressive,
The thing is, the information has been out there exposing this imperialistic, fascist regime in D.C. This is why I started using the term, "willfully ignorant," for the folks who blindly believe the crooks and liars and are willing to leap off the precipice for them without regard as to why they should sacrifice life and limb and their souls, for the same bunch of degenerate pieces of scum who never served in the military and avoided it like the plague.
Unfortunately, I was one of those non-thinking young men who believed the government and enlisted way back when. For the past forty years I've been talking with our young ones around the country on conflict resolution , pacifism, and universal communalism.(one for all and all for one). Some listened and made the right choice and others told me to get lost. They prefer the macho man approach. All we can do is educate and encourage people to think for themselves.
yap-Hi, I'm still curious, any thoughts about 'Taiwan'
thanks, mike.
peaceman, That's easy. Most Americans are trained by TV and standard media to trust that their government is good and is doing the right thing. (How else would Bush have been re-elected in 2004?) My sense is that most Americans, and especially those young people who join the military, are not informed (or not convinced) about the atrocities that this and most other governments do. They don't have a clue that we have 'the most corrupt, contemptible government in our nation's history'. They want to do their 'patriotic duty'. Thus, they're naive and led along easily into the killing machine.
For you and I, and most readers on this forum, it's a different story. I doubt you'd see any of us even begin to think about enlisting.
Hey KEM,
I remember the good all days when the Newark Airport had just the one building and parking was a breeze. Never liked JFK Airport, with the traffic and all. I usually fly into Newark and finally got used to all the terminals.
Marjorie Ann,
I've seen documentaries on the sweatshops in China and when a foreigner speaks to one of the workers,(this particular one was a construction worker) a "security" guy stands close by eavsdropping. China is so full of contradictions. It went from a communist society to an authoritarian capitalist police state. You have the extremes in people as well. The peasant or common folk are genuine and would literally give you the shirts off their backs, and you have the old "war lord" crooks who are the ruling elite of today.
They are coming up in the world and have patience and history on their side. In the fullness of time, they'll make the right moves and it will be over for the US.
lost_progressive,
We have the most corrupt, contemptible government in our nation's history and after seven years of lawbreaking and illegal manuvering by this administration, why would a person join the military to be a gangster for the coward-in-chief? Since time immemorial, the smarter man was able to con the not so smart man to kill and rob for him. The smarter man stays out of harm's way but glorifies the flunky who's thinking he controls. It's the same approach in every country or society on this globe. When the non-thinking people begin to think and discern what's really going on behind closed doors, the game will cease and humans will actually get along with one another.
KEM, A lot of laughs on the clothesline story. What article comes next? Maybe one on paper or plastic at the store.
People keep talking about volunteer soldiers as if they have a choice on whether to go to war or not. Today's American soldiers only volunteer to join the military. Once they're in, they don't have choices on their military activities. Since time immemorial, soldiering has had a romantic, heroic appeal to the minds and hearts of young men (and women). This is elemental human nature, they cannot be faulted for that. I say that the blame for the atrocities of the Iraq war lay squarely at the feet of the very top of the chain of command, and with those he colludes with, including politicians, high-ranking career officers, war profiteers, and hawkish government think tanks.
People keep talking about volunteer soldiers as if they have a choice on whether to go to war or not. Today's American soldiers only volunteer to join the military. Once they're in, they don't have choices on their military activities. Since time immemorial, soldiering has had a romantic, heroic appeal to the minds and hearts of young men (and women). This is elemental human nature, they cannot be faulted for that. I say that the blame for the atrocities of the Iraq war lay squarely at the feet of the very top of the chain of command, and with those he colludes with, including politicians, high-ranking career officers, war profiteers, and hawkish government think tanks.
Hey YAP, ever seen Newark airprt? We started building it in earnest in the early 1940s and were still building it, it's a vehicular driving and parking nightmare. Also our JFK is a dump, dirtiest airport I've ever seen and traffic jams in the terminal areas is another nightmare.
Of course unless she has, Marjorie should visit China before being over critical. Of course then too, I understand that she lives in Mexico.
Greetings Majourie March, Sweet Majourie March ! Such profanity from such a lovely eh !..eh.. young lady or is it more likely old lady. I enjoyed reading your fury, well we Chinese are on our best charm mission to win friends, even "friends" who only wish us ill.
I bet you have never been to China, since I sense so much bile in your tirade; but all the same I also must have pricked your boiling point and that tells me that what I said hit your "nail" on your head. It really makes my day when I can send palls of hot steam up your head. Poor helpless Miss Majourie March, all you know is anger that is why you do not know what is right or what is wrong ! Just so much heat !
I hope you realise that while you go bomb ! bomb ! bomb ! Iran, we China-man go make friends with Iran and on a whole we seem to have come out slightly ahead and we spent not a dime bombing Iran. Yes China is well qued in with our Friend President Ahmadinajad, maybe we get fresh new oil leases for holding your Americans from 3rd round of UN sanctions to maybe a slap on the wrist ?
And to Anne Faith March (any relative of the other ? ) Noooo ! I really meant the real stuff, Yammy !
China is really a very beautiful land, my family of 4 including son in law, spent only US$4,000 each for a 6 weeks tour including a tour of the famous 3 Gorges Dam. We went thorugh 8 cities and all including air-fares totalled US$4,000. Meals of 4 to 5 courses totalled only US$20 for all 4 of us. Yes everything is so cheap and YET China buys from the USA US$30 billion of Boeing air craft everytime our President Hu visits your country; we build the largest Beijing Airport in the world (over 1.3 sq. metres of covered space) spent another US$50 billion preparing for the Olympics EVER. Built our famous Air port in just 4 years, which it was admitted by foreign architects who worked on the project will have taken the USA over at least 15 years to complete.
Yes ! America has taken the back seat. Just yesterday the EU has overtaken the USA as the biggest economy in the world (FIRST TIME); but to my thinking it is China that has over-taken the USA as No 1 not the EU. Do you not fear that China has come from 139th place in world ranking just 20 years ago to become the world's No ?
I can go on but my wife has called me for lunch ! Family day on Sunday !
Heh mike peters, tell it to the Buddist Monks, and buy somemore Chinese crap while you're at it.
Well ~MIkepeters~, Jesus used his tongue and a whip to lash with, when it was appropriate. I also don't believe Marjorie Anne was answering you.
Marjorie Ann, I sensed some tongue-in-cheek on yap.chongyee's post - e.g., praising the "shark fin soup." (You know: the soup you get by cutting the fins off sharks and then throwing them back into the ocean to slowly suffocate or bleed to death. YYYYYummmy!!!) At least I hope it was tongue-in-cheek.
Why Marjorie Ann March, what a thoughtful post.
Jesus said our tongues reflected our hearts.
Your encourament to 'shove it' was particularly lovely.
You denigrate yourself and the English language.
PLEASE, give me a break. China is repressive, we all know that, millions and millions of Chinese are slaves and work for nothing,living in filth and squalor. The Chinese government is incredibly corrupt, there are many millionaires in China, and they don't give a toot about the people. It has to be the god most awful polluted country on the face of the earth, and when the farmers try to organize against the government seizing their lands, what happens? Never freakin heard from again, surrounded by the military and just wiped out to smitherins. What a bunch of crap, unfreakinbelievable.
If that's your idea of pro-active socialism stick it up your rear. Bunch of fawking fascists.
Oh, BTW, thanks for investing millions and being in the process of totally destroying Punta Camalu/Colonet for your stupid fawking Port here. Bullshit !! Go fawk up your own environment and leave Baja alone you greedy pigs.
Hi yap, are you guys gonna Grab Taiwan Back?
(And if you are in Ohio or wherever, I'm still curious for your thoughts.)
Like maybe when the US get stretched too thin after starting war with Iran?
Thanks, mike.
AMERICA need a lesson from our Chinese Communist Party; how to make friends and MAKE MONEY.
You Americans are too mad; you have dreamed up too many weapons of mass destruction and you want to try it out on live targets. Start a war of course. America is still incapable of learning from your ignoble past. You have not learned that you have great capabilities to DESTROY BUT WEAK AT BUILDING. You are just useless at building be it PEACE or world harmony; learn from the Chinese Communist, they are the ones who know all about peace and to build a world that live in HARMONY,
America has too many rich men; too crazy about money. Money that they cannot take with them when they die. What is the use for the $150 billion of Warren Buffet's treasure trove ? All we need is a simple life, to live well, and the simple things like having a delicious "shark fin soup". Have a family of three and a small house, no worry about not being able to pay off on your small mortgage.
Is it not wonderful to live by the sea or at the foot of a beautiful mountain ? Why do we need billions ? I just don't undeerstand ! China has the greatest policy on every thing ! We only seek to have a moderately well off society, but then China is 10,000 old and America is only a mere 300 years. China has the wisdom of 10,000 years and the USA has the arrogance of 200 years of what you arrogantly call democracy. DEMOCRACY SUCKS ! Give me SOCIALISM WITH CHINESE CHARACTERISTICS any day.
Yes America will invade Iran and I had seen it 2 years ago, but it was and still is to punish Iran for opting to sell oil in Euros just as good ole Saddam did. This whim of your President Bush is so futile because most of the oil producers have already opted to go Euros for the sale of oil; and the US$ is worth its true value, about the cost of the paper that it is printed on ! Good Bye Yankee dalla !
WmC, I totally agree that if gas prices skyrocket, the patriotic, flag waving, "Support Our Troops" couch potatoes will be marching in the streets. They don't care a whit about men, women and children being blown to bits in the M.E. But they care a heckuva lot when it affects their pocketbooks.
If Iran is attacked in any manner, the price per barrel of oil will probably triple, as will the price of gas at the pump. Americans might sit still for war crimes, but if/when gas triples in price they'll be so pissed they'll even lose interest in Paris Hilton. Republicans will rightly receive the major portion of the blame, and McInsane would be guaranteed to lose the election. Stupid as Junior is, even he grasps this reality.
The United States: spreading like a cancer all over the world.
TGGEVEDON
no-one here gets out alive...........biography, jim morrison.
MORE AND MORE ARE SEEING THE REALITY OF NOT PAYING FOR THIS IN APRIL..WILL YOU SIMPLY SPOUT? OR WILL YOU NOT DECLARE? YOUARE PAYING FOR THE END OF THE WORLD..IN MORE WAY'S THAN ONE.
THE ONLY THING THESE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, IS MONEY..PERIOD! AND THE PAYCHECKS THGAT MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR THESE LITTLE FASCISTS TO SIT AT THEIR LITTLE CUBICLES AND SPY ON MILLIONS OF EMAILS AND WRITE NASTY LITTLE LAWS THAT GRANT MORE AND MORE POWER TO FEWER AND FEWER INDIVIDUALS...IT IS ALL BEING PAID FOR BY THE CITIZENS...ALL OF YOU WHO PAY IN APRIL..FEDERAL INCOME TAX...WHICH BY THE WAY..IT IS ACTUALLY TRUE..NOT A DELUSION..THERE IS NO LAW STATING THAT YOU DO HAVE TO PAY AN "UNAPORTIONED TAX" SUCH AS INCOME TAX...AND YET YOU PAY...YOU SPEAK OF THE EVIL THAT YOU ARE FINANCING...HHHMMMMMM? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE...? OH YEAH! YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY...SURE THEY WILL TERRORIZE YOU INTO THINKING THAT YOU...SHOULD...BUT THEN..WELL..MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR SOME ACTAUL "PROTEST" AND THE ONLY REAL...R-E-A-L POWER WE HAVE LEFT..IS THE POWER OF THE PURSE...A GENERAL TAX STRIKE FOR 2008. LET EM KNOW THE RESULTS OF SO MUCH GREED AND ABUSE OF THE SYSTEM THAT IT CAN NO LONGER BE RATIONALIZED AWAY EVEN BY CITIZENS WHO NORMALLY WOULD BE TOO FRIGHTENED TO NOT PAY...THIS YEAR..THIS TIME IN OUR HISTORY..THIS IS IT FOLKS! THIS IS THE TIME WE HOPED WOULD NEVER COME. THEY ARE TAKING OUR RIGHTS DAILY...DAILY..AND YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT!
DON'T! DO NOT DECALRE IN APRIL..NO EXCUSES, NO LETTERS, NO "CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION" JUST..THEY DON'T GET AS MUCH MONEY...HUH? WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? AND THEN WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS..
FOR ALL OF OUR VAUNTED "SOPHISTICATION" AS A "MODERN" COUNTRY..THERE IS A FAILING TO SEE EVEN BASIC TRUTHS THAT THOSE 240 YEARS AGO OR SO SAW SO CLEARLY..
TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION IS NOT OKAY! PERIOD! AND THE FUNNY THING IS..DISRUPTING THEIR LITTLE PLANS..WHAT DO DO WITH ALL YOUR MONEY..WHAT EVIL CAN WE DO THAT WE HAV NOT DONE YET?WELL!..IT IS STILL ALMOST AS SIMPLE AS STORMING A BOAT AND THROWING THE PRODUCT OVER BOARD! JUST DO NOT PAY..AND VOILA' THERE GOES THE MONEY THEY NEED..AND BELIEVE ME FOLKS..THEY NEED EVERY LAST DIME..HOW ELSE CAN THEY AFFORD TO LOSE 9 BILLION IF YOU DON'T KEEP THE COFFERS FULL? FOR THE US GOVERNMENT IS, LIKE MANY CITIZENS THESE DAY'S, ONE PAYCHECK AWAY FROM FINANCIAL RUIN...AND THIS IS THE ONLY POWER WE HAVE LEFT..THE POWER OF THE PURSE..SO DON'T DO IT..
FINALLY..TO PAY IS TO BE COMPLICIT..REMEMBER, YOU PAY THE SALLERY OF THE PERSON TORTURING A CONFESSION OUT OF A "SUSPECT" (OOPS "ENEMY COMBATANT..." WHICH BY THE WAY IS ANYONE THEY SAY IT IS..READ THE M.C.A IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME...ANYONE..) AND YOU PAY..YOU PAY...YOU PAY...SO DON'T PICK UP THE CHECK THIS YEAR..LEAVE IT ON THE TABLE AND WALK AWAY...
THIS IS NOT A CRIME! IT IS JUSTICE TO AN OUT OF CONTROL GOVERNMENT BEING RUN BY MADMEN..FOR REAL FOLKS..THIS IS FOR REAL..DO NOT PAY...OR LEARN TO LIVE WITH "FRIENDLY FASCISM"...JUST GO OUT AND SHOP..AND TRUST US...OR ELSE!
Hi Kem, thank you and all of you for your comments - naturally, I'd like to believe the post on why we won't attack Iran, but never put anything past the neocons.
Regarding Mexico, because I live here in Baja,I feel that if we have a depression and of course the economics will completely affect Mex, that the Mexicans will turn first on their government. After that, I can't say because everything will be completely destabilized. There's no unity here really, the cartels are at war, my town (Rosarito) is now occupied by the Army, the anti-government groups are pretty much fragmented, there is no alliance between the intelligensia, the emerging middle class(what's left of it) and the really poor people - inotherwords, it's a repeat of previous historical patterns of Mexican "revolutions".
Well, (gulp) I hope I'm right, maybe I'm not.
Heh, pray for surf...and peace.
hey kem,
how do you think your neighbors would respond to a hard core war economy, with ss troops on the streets, labor camps w/ computer id chip's mandated, and photos of our president at bus stops reminding us of our need to serve the national good. i realize we're all frogs in a big kettle of water that's heating up moment by moment. but in your estimation is their any hope for resistance ?
are americans even capable of effective resistance, we are not unique.
i remember a nice lady down the street from my family in the city i grew up in.
her name was mrs jacobson, she was raised in nazi germany and was a teenager/young adult b/w 35-45, during the hight of fascism. she was a nice person, but as a kid (a few years past ms kraft) i watched her lose her cool at a neighborhood party, when the subject of the war and the concentration camps was discussed amongst the adults. she defended hitler in public, and refused to place responsibility on the german people or leadership (via war & c camps)(although most germans i've met as adults are pacifists) the incident left an impression on me.
then there were the others i met in my youth; one a german who was my philosiphy professor in college and another a ashkenazi jew who owned a grimy cafe i worked at in chicago - they had one thing in common, that 5-6 digit number tattooed on their forearm. one a communist the other a jew. they never discussed those tattoos, they didn't have any other tattoos. i never asked about them, a courtesy.
i question whether the american public is capable of resistance (i recognize the self-defeating tone here). i think our nation parallels fascism in other countries. and i don't sense the american public is capable of understanding these parallels.
i realize i sound like an alarmist, the window of negative possibilities will be left wide open until bush the son steps aside next january.
....peace....
Well, I don't believe our current leaders display any rationality ~Samski~. And I do believe I offered some prime examples and there are many others. Fear is not the issue, common sense is.
What is happening is happening, the things Bush/Cheney publicly state in regards to Iran are not questionable and it is not sensible to deny those facts. Will they actualy attack Iran with bombing raids? We don't know, but they sure are preparing to do that.
Remember, even Admiral Fallon has addressed that issue, so it is not just I who have that opinion. You mention the cold war stayed cold. Be very thankful that Bush/Cheney and Rumsfeld weren't at the helm during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
herongal, thanks...the articles helped put things in perspective.
so it was 10 cables that went down in 3 areas (mediterranean, persian gulf and off the coast of malaysia) w/ in a week or two.
also.. great quote from underthecarpet.....
http://www.underthecarpet.co.uk/Pages/NewsArticle.php?num=3958
"If Iran succeeds in opening its own Oil Bourse it is hard to imagine that the GCC would not trade on the Iranian Oil Bourse, given the extremely close geographic proximity. And it is hard to believe that they would not trade their own oil in their own currency. Otherwise, why have a currency of their own? Clearly they intend to use it. And just as clearly, the three cut or damaged undersea communications cables in the Persian Gulf over the last week deliver a clear message. The United States may be a senescent dinosaur, and it is, but it is also a violent, heavily armed, very angry senescent dinosaur. In the end, it will do what all aged dinosaurs do: perish. But not before it first does a great deal of wild roaring and violent lashing and thrashing about."
...peace...
Viva Smedley Butler.
Hello Iowablackbird,
In early February there was much buzz about the cut cables to the internet in Iran and other ME areas, speculating that the cuts were to thwart the opening of the Iranian oil bourse. Some also wondered if this might be a sign of a pending attack on Iran, especially in light of the bourse opening, which would further weaken the dollar.
Here are some links connecting the dots of the
cut cables + Iranian oil bourse + fragile dollar + Bush ME Trip + war games late Feb.
http://www.energybulletin.net/39844.html
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d0f_1202251612
http://www.underthecarpet.co.uk/Pages/NewsArticle.php?num=3958
hey herongal
thanks for reminding me. i heard that yesterday (cut cables) on another thread, it certainly makes sense - i know i could do a quick google but, where did you first here that?
...peace...
And another sign along with cut cables, the opening of the oil bourse.
Another Sign the US May Be Headed for War in Iran:
The cut cables under the sea in the ME. Many cut early in Feb. I saw this as a sign then.
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi 1869-1948
i'm sorry those links earlier didn't work the articles are cited below......
Feb 21, 2006 ...
Iran, Oil and Euros: The War Scenario Gwynne Dyer, Arab News
October 10, 2003..
Putin: Why Not Price Oil in Euros? Catherine Belton Moscow Times
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another essay that puts petro dollars into perspective.
17 Jan 2006.
The Proposed Iranian Oil Bourse by Krassimir Petrov
http://www.energybulletin.net/12125.html
"The man that actually did demand Euro for his oil was Saddam Hussein in 2000. At first, his demand was met with ridicule, later with neglect, but as it became clearer that he meant business, political pressure was exerted to change his mind. When other countries, like Iran, wanted payment in other currencies, most notably Euro and Yen, the danger to the dollar was clear and present, and a punitive action was in order. Bush's Shock-and-Awe in Iraq was not about Saddam's nuclear capabilities, about defending human rights, about spreading democracy, or even about seizing oil fields; it was about defending the dollar, ergo the American Empire. It was about setting an example that anyone who demanded payment in currencies other than U.S. Dollars would be likewise punished."
will the arabs comply? (if it's in their interests of course)
(energy bulletin again)
"The Arab oil-exporting countries will eagerly adopt the Euro as a means of diversifying against rising mountains of depreciating dollars. Just like the Russians, their trade is mostly with European countries, and therefore will prefer the European currency both for its stability and for avoiding currency risk, not to mention their jihad against the Infidel Enemy."
petrov goes on to suggest americans would consider unilateral nuclear first strikes or all out 'total' war to preserve the economic hegemony preserved by petro dollars.....
....peace......
Googly moogly, you sound scarily exactly like the people who laughed at Hitler an the 'nervous nellies' who were actually getting concerned about him and his Nazi nutjob henchmen. Kem Patrick is right about one thing, if something were to disrupt the supply stream of food and fuel to our cities we would be in deep shite. There are many more of us and we are a lot less self sufficient than ever, and spoiled, and violent.
Are Americans rational?
Or has the rest of the world been right all along with the arch-stereotype "Crazy Americans"?
Fear is a commodity in excessive supply. Had my fill, ~Kem~. Cold War was a gas. No fireworks though.
Look at how fear is used by the maestro-in-chief. In the US, terror has gripped almost everyone into submission. No need to apply any more, not domestically anyway.
The article's 6 signs can be interpreted to mean that US policy towards Iran is one of extreme intimidation only, barking with no intention to bite.
Fear down. Heavy.
Look at the two children in the photo. Every child is beautiful, but these two? My god.
Let them live. Let them have a childhood of some small wonder and some small joy. Don't let their innocent eyes grow old with the sorrows and miseries of war.
Call your congresspeople. At the same time, call on your angels, your gods and goddesses, your spiritual mothers and fathers to protect these two - and the millions like them.
I once had a Russian neighbor. Some kind of engineer, and when his wife went to the movies, out would come the vodka bottle. She yelled at him if he drank. One afternoon, he told me to come over in the early evening for a vodka or two. The guy cooked up a batch of fried potatos, onions, and mushrooms, and we ate that along with a loaf of Russian black bread. Several hours later and after so many toasts of "nastrovia", the bottle was three quarters empty. The Russkie said, "for an American, you can hold your own. I like you." Words to that effect. He was worried about the wife coming home, hid what was left of the vodka, and walked me to the door. He was amazed I was still on my feet, and he looked and acted as if he was drinking milk or juice. Several minutes later at home and on my bed, my head started spinning like a top and I was getting seasick. The next morning was vomit city for me and my head was still spinning. I peaked out the window and saw him working in the garden, fit as a fiddle. That's my Russian "food" experience.
With black bread and dead fish eggs, and a form of rotted Korean kemshi.
Fear not, ~Samski~? ___ You HOPE that the "rational minds" in the leadership win out. I hope so too however, "We have a problem Houston". ___ What rational minds, would have invaded Iraq, especialy with no plans of what to do once we did it ?
What RATIONAL minds would have supported NAFTA, without some strong and inforceable rules? What rationl minds would have taken care of the Katrina victems as they were? What rational minds would continue to allow Halliburton and KBR to earn billions for doing almost nothing of any value and over-charging us tax-payers for every service they did provide? What rational minds would build a $76 billion dollar embassy in Baghdad, especially when we seemed to get along just fine, when we never have had an embassy there?
Sorry, but MY optomism has been destroyed during the past seven years, EXCEPT, I am optomistic, that we are going straight down the toilet and into the sorry ass cess-pool of failed once great nations.
S March, have you ever had borscht? Well, that's Russian.
6 Signs The US Will Not Be Heading For War:
1. No plausible justification since the release of latest NIE.
2. Ground forces already stretched thin and bogged down in two occupation campaigns, whilst recruitment numbers diminish.
3. Air-only based attacks have no strategic value. (Only worldwide political condemnation would result.)
4. Certain closure of Straits of Hormuz resulting in catastrophically hiked oil prices.
5. Iraq/Afghan insurgency certain to intensify.
6. Iran is well defended and her soldiers motivated.
- Only 6? -
[7. Russia is a close economic ally of Iran, and has supplied state-of-the-art weaponry and expertise
8. China too.]
As frightening as Terry Atlas's evidence is, I care to err on the side of optimism and hope that the rational minds in the leadership win out.
Fear not.
I like Chinese-American food but I accidently tried to eat real Chinese food once and don't recommend it. The slave & child labor, human rights, and pollution issues don't sound too good either. Anyone know anything about Russian food?
Seriously, Bush/Cheney have yet to learn that the most productive economy with ample natural resources will win a world war. Unless they are planning on a nuclear war. I suspect they may not have majored in history.
A lot of good comments and observations and only one obvious troll showed up, which is a bit surprising now that so many are invading this site. Neat name too, "Googly", funny as his opinions.
We all better hope and pray we don't have a depression, or that we bomb, bomb Iran. And yes Chessgames, if ten million armed people come pouring across our southern border there will be a conflict. That was exactly my point. Now if that occurs and we are in the depths of a depression and no one has any fuel, money, or food, and no ammo is available in the closed stores, we are going to suffer.
The Alamo may once again be under full contol of the Mexicans. The Mexicans could once again own Texas, the southwest and California. It is not going to be pretty or fun. Interesting however. It could finally end up with China and Russia having control of the entire world. I hear Doald Trump is taking Chinese speakng and reading lessons. He's not stupid.
Conspiracy Theory Advisory Alert:
Knowns:
1) Hillary's hanging in even though logic says it's a no win
2) Been suggested she's hoping for a Denver miracle
3) Wants to frame contest on National Security/Commander in Chief argument
4) (Historical frame: husband Bill been cozy with the Bush's).
5) Commander Fallon (there'll be no war with Iran on my watch) resigns (actually, most say forced out)
Predictions:
6) Bush/Cheney start war with Iran.
7) Hillary captures nomination on fear/War Commander campaign. Hillary or McCain wins in Nov.
Why?
Bush has two nominees, McCain and Clinton, who are both pro-war.
(Remember, he recently said something to the effect that the U.S. policy on Iraq will stay the same AFTER the next President is in charge?)
My personal favorite conspiracy theory:
Both Clinton and Bush have used thought reading technology covertly on Americans. Both have a vested interested in not prosecuting/or even embarrassing their legacy's with this info. Re: McCain, anyone what to venture that the smart $ is on McCain also agreeing to legislating this dirty technology?
Interesting aside:
Was the Prince Harry 'leak' that he was in Afghanistan deliberate? To give the British an excuse to remove him from the war zone? An attack on Iran will make Afghanistan much more violent. Too violent for a Prince?
Interestingly enough this article also appeared on Townhall.com. But of course the comments section was littered with Armchair, Couch Potato Warmongers.
Cranky-chatter, the French do NOT like the idea of hitting Iran. That is a consideration ONLY upon proven nuclear weapons, which (like weapons of mass destruction) simply do not exist. And hits come long after a lot of diplomacy. Bush/Chaney might like the idea of hitting them. I don't think there is another government on the planet who feels that way. Not even the US government is in favor of it. Try and get THAT measure through congress. Wonder which side Hillary would come down on on this. Perhaps someone should ask her.
The plan is to create massive unemployment and institute a massive recruiting campaign to obviate thr need for a draft. After all what are you going to do with no home, no job and existing on handouts, you'll join the long line of gun fodder, that's what you'll do.
How did this catastrophe come about, answer, too many hot heads who believed the bullshit spewed out hourly by the media and wanted to kick ass. Well it's their own ass which has got kicked along with the Iraqis.
On the point of Europeans, and I assume the poster meant the UK. Blair wasn't voted in, he stole the election by ballot fraud using a first past the post system. In fact Blair only got about 34% of the vote, 66% were against him.
The Bush gang have to hold onto power to save their criminal necks so look forward to a rough ride, most of you asked for violence now you're getting it, perhaps you'll engage brain next time,if there is a next time.
I think it all comes down to the doctrine that "terrorists shouldn't be allowed to develop nuclear weapons or even the remote potential to have them. No counter-measure should be spared, regardless of the costs in any terms." It's the highest-stakes poker-as-foreign policy-game ever played in human history. It doesn't appear that anyone has the political position or will to stop it. It makes the balance-of-power situation of the Cold War seem also consoling by comparison. Perhaps, Stephen Hawking is right in his proposition that we should develop colonies on the moon and Mars as soon as possible (play multiple hands at the poker table) to increase our chances for survival.
"I'm gonna get my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames." --Jim Morrison
tumbleweed, I think you underestimate the stupidity of the American sheeple. Also, like jclientelle said, we don't need ground forces; just bombs, and we've got plenty of those. Besides, even if Americans objected to bombing Iran (which they won't), what could we do to stop it? The Bushies are pulling the strings, the courts are in his back pocket, and Congress is dead.
Capture them alive, then hang the lot from the whitewashed house.
You do not have a government, you have a criminal regime.
The issue is global, not "Umerikun"
Wake up or wake up dead.
Bush does not have the public support for another war that will likely be another quigmire! Not like he did the last time. Even the dumbest American's (except the hard core Bushies) don't believe his terror rhetoric anymore. He has a deficit that's gone into the stratosphere from two failed wars. As well as his unrealistic tax cuts for the rich. An economy that's in the sewer due to two wars that are draining us. The military is in shambles from 6 years of war. If he institutes the draft he will have a full scale rebellion here at home. I for one will not send my Grandson to fight in his war. Call me an incurable optimist (even though I am a born cynic)! But, I don't think he has the resources anymore to conduct another war. If he did he would have done it a long time ago. What resources he did have were squandered.
What could the Germans have done to stop Hitler from invading Poland and France? This is a serious question.
Whatever it is, that's what we should be doing.
We cannot start a "war" with Iran. We can have a blitzkrieg in the middle of some night and continue it for weeks.
We can drop bombs on a sleeping civilian population and kill thousands. Thousands more will survive with massive burns and amputations. People will be insane with grief and anger. We can shatter art treasures like the temple of Ishfahan. We can demolish the archeological treasures of Persepolis. We can ruin the roads, electrical grid, food distribution and water supply.
There will be some resistance. Some of our planes will be shot down and some US soldiers killed. Their coffins will never be shown on TV, so it won't be real.
Then the real war starts. Decades of angry children who just wanted to live a good life grow up and seek revenge on us. We will have even fewer allies in the world.
Americans - we cannot let this scenario happen again. Let us make life miserable for our representatives and press until they stand up and tell the truth.
RUSSIA. Have a nice day.
Iran will start the conflict (Mossad) The US will defend itself.
Russia. Israel.
Iowablackbird, thanks for your post. I wonder if part of the reason Fallon "resigned" (aside from his disagreement with the Bushies over Iran) is that he publicly revealed to the congressional committee that all that Iraqi oil money is sitting in a bunch of banks. I have a feeling we weren't supposed to know that.
P.S. Isn't it a little late (5 years after the fact) for Congress finally to be asking where all the Iraqi oil money is?
GreatGooglyMoogly-
You suggest contacting lawmakers to enact change. Do you actually believe that they will enact any change? Do you believe they would even read our suggestions? Congress has shut down. It's been shut down for years. The only thing congress could do is decide what day of the week to actually come to work.
Your posts remind me a lot of the man that laughed at Noah or laughed at the Wright brothers. The recession is coming. The roar of the wave is getting louder and louder but the deaf man smiles and laughs, oblivious to the danger.
The US military has the most advanced and capable army in the world, but it is broken due to misuse. (Same as a John Deere tractor that's been run out of oil) We don't live in a WW2 era anymore and the solidarity of the American people is weak. So even with all the advanced weaponry, computers, and tactics, we lie weak and vulnerable.
You are drastically and fatally underestimating the muslim people and their reaction to an attack on Iran. Muslims have a different methodology than Christians. The assault on our country would be overwhelming. The more muslims we continue to murder, the more resolved they become.
You also urged us to "face the fact that our troops will be in Iraq for decades". The only reason troops are there at all is because the US government lied to it's citizens, presented 'evidence' to the UN that it KNEW to be false at the time, and then committed a crime of aggression (See Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court).
The Korean war developed because the area of North Korea under soviet control attacked South Korea. The reason that we were in South Korea in the first place was because of the recent defeat of Japan. We were were responsible for the South Korean territory IAW established treaties. The 'war' in Iraq is completely different. The reason we are still in South Korea is because we lease a base there, same as in Japan. We pay that country to have a base. We don't force them. (The Philippines kicked the US Navy out of the Subic Bay base in Olongapo in 1992.)
It is almost comical to read your posts. You stand with your back to the ocean saying "Tsunami? What tsunami?" as everyone else screams and runs for cover.
KEM,
You are hilarious. $300 a barrel... $10 a gallon... martial law... Evil mega-farms... Keep working on that movie script, maybe someone will buy it. Have you figured out who to cast for the lead role?
Keep that tinfoil hat on and you'll be safer from the voices.
Amazing... one post someone says the fascist U.S. has the all powerful military, but then another one says "it's broken." Well which is, crazies? Get your facts straight.
"Hi~MARJORIE~. If we have a depression, The Mexicans and South Americans will soon be pouring across our southern border. Over ten million of them, __ARMED __. You can buy a Chinese made AK-47 in Africa for ten bucks."
Ha, ha, Kem, well if that DOES happen, the American character will show through in ALL its violence. We are not a peaceful people by any stretch of the imagination, and have our own guns by the millions. It would be a shoot out at the OK Corral!
Has anyone tried to crush ants? Biologically they are one of the most successful animals alive & thriving in their millions, ready to succeed Homo sapiens if ever the self-inflicted nuclear holocaust takes place.
Helix March 13th, 2008 5:28 pm
perfect analysis - the elites let us choose the leaders, then a mysterious email shows up listing all of your errant ways or perhaps a man in a black suit w/ a manila envelope. of course we pay for it...
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Jim Glover March 13th, 2008 4:26 pm
'Of all the 6 points above Fallon jumping ship was the only new point.'
Doom n Gloom March 13th, 2008 3:19 pm
"They stand to lose big if the Saudi's choose to sell their oil in Euro's insetad of Dollars. It becomes necessary from the elite perspective to flex more muscle in the Middle East to keep the Saudi's in check. The greed soaked policies of American banks could not withstand the Saudi's electing to accept Euro's for oil."
bingo!!
i think a legitimate question is....
how does the world deal w/ a fascist entity that has more weaponry than all the rest of the countries combined (including israel)?
they can't deal w/ the US militarily. the veto power in the security council prevents UN action, but they can destroy our economy and force us to choose new leadership.
china already buys it's oil from iran in euros. iraq's oil revenue sits in US banks before its redistributed to iraqi's, this was a subject of debate last week when fallon was questioned by levin in the senate (site below).
venezuala and russia would have no problems buying and selling oil in euros. especially recently w/ US expanding missle capabilities in the former eastern block.
our economy is melting and the global elites are uncomfortable, a switch to the euro (a stabler currency) is reasonable. we no longer are the worlds largest economy, why should the life blood of the industrial world continue to be measured in dollars.
i suspect ahmanidijad spoke w/ iraqi leadership about this idea - perhaps as a way for the iraqis to resist US occupation. imagine if their resource was sold in euros. who would flip out the most over this turn of events, of course US banks and oil companies (cheney/bush).
the irony here is the tactics being employed (economic warfare) are the same tactics we used against the russians. i'd say putin and ahmanidijad are better chess players than cheney (strong offense weak end game).
from the moscow times..2003
ttp://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/crisis/2003/1010oilpriceeuro.htm
"Almost two-thirds of the world's currency reserves are kept in dollars, since oil importers pay in dollars and oil exporters keep their reserves in the currency they are paid in. This effectively provides the U.S. economy with an interest-free loan, as these dollars can be invested back into the U.S. economy with zero currency risk. If a Russian move to the euro were to prompt other oil producers to do the same, it could be a "catastrophe" for the United States, Ibrahim said. "There are already a number of countries within OPEC that would prefer to trade in euros." Iran, the world's No. 5 oil exporter, has also openly mulled a move into euros."
the same argument was posted in the arab news in 2006...
http://www.arabnews.com/?p.=7§ion=0&article=78138&d=21&m=2&y=2006
"But the US government knows, and is deeply alarmed by the danger that the dollar may be losing its status as the world's only reserve currency. Given the huge deficits that plague the US economy, the US dollar's value would collapse if other countries began to see it as just another currency, so the euro must be prevented from emerging as an alternative reserve currency. In practice, that means the Iranian experiment with a euro-denominated oil bourse must be stopped — and the only way to do that is to attack Iran."
article from yesterday about fallon's testimony at Senate Armed Services Committee,
http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-local_warneroil_0308mar08,0,7873597.story
...peace.....
With Iran nukes will have to be used to keep the us casualties to an acceptable level. With conventional forces this goal will not be achieved and they will lose support on the domestic front.
Who's going to run the impeachment charge? Who will stop president ding-dong or Big Dick Cheney from doing whatever they want? Congress? The israeli controlled attorney general? Ha Ha Ha. Give me a break. The "bad guys" are doing a very good job of keeping the united states completely broke, scared, and marketable; i.e. the US is a third world developing country and everything is for sale including our military. The US is a colonialized police/military nation and will be the worlds war lords. The US constitution will be a footnote in history. The sheep of the US are incapable of mounting any revolution. Welcome to the new world order.
Yes, George Brown, I, too, caught an article yesterday in our local paper, The Everett Herald, that mentioned deployment of the aircraft carrier, USS Abraham Lincoln for the mideast - an extended deployment. Cheney in the middle east, Bush administration time running out, Fallon quits. Feel like I'm sitting on the edge of a cliff.
KEM -- I believe that darth cheney only has one when he's holding his shotgun in somebody's face.
His vehicle isn't running too well these days, and has had several transplanted engines and many complete over/under hauls - and while his mileage is off-the-scale, his differential keeps on slipping more and more each revolution (= war). And his neorons fire at odd times, mostly missing the press box, but often causing his right arm to jerk upward violently.
¿ Perhaps Dr Kissyngerbal can help him find his inner pieces ?
We can only connect the dots here: additional troop surges were ordered, troop deployments extended.
Internet chatter says it's going to be nuclear strikes. A bunker buster won't collapse earth that far underground but they can contaminate all the topsoil on top. Plutonium has a half life of 24,000 years.
A military test was recently completed to knock an ailing spy satellite out of orbit-for the reason to protect human lives; a rush to deploy a missile defense in Poland to protect allies (aka American interests/assets)
Do we really believe everything that we hear from this administration? It's a well known fact that the contigency plans have already been drafted and rehearsed. Some say not if but when.
Message to our leader: You may not pull the trigger to order the bombing run; Congress will never support funding a war expansion into Iran. That will mark the beginning of the next impeachment.
God Bless America.
A Woody is a 1941, thru 48 Ford station wagon, deluxe, top of the line, with Birch wood side and rear door trim. Does Cheney have one?
Hi~MARJORIE~. If we have a depression, The Mexicans and South Americans will soon be pouring across our southern border. Over ten million of them, __ARMED __. You can buy a Chinese made AK-47 in Africa for ten bucks.
If we attack Iran? China will soon after invade Taiwan and also protect and support North Korea. Russia will keep supplying Iran with high tech weapons, including ant-ship missiles. Iran already has thousands of those and if we attack them, our naval forces will have some very serious problems. An all out war will ensue in the Mid-East region, with possible atomic bombs used.
Well, well, well. Reading the economic reports today and the daily death counts in Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza, Chad, and East Africa, I reckon that the great america experiment in democracy is completely dead in its country of origin. Revolution? When and where? Where is the great uniter leader and the sheep willing to get slaughtered to uphold...whatever? There ain't one. There isn't even 2,000 willing people in amerika willing to throw their empty bodies in front of a Homeland Security tank or in front of any government agency building demanding change. What a legacy. Even Serbia and Nigeria does more than "we the people". We the people have lost the respect of the world; the beacon of freedom is out, at least in this miserable nation.
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WTF March 13th, 2008 9:41 pm
7. Dick Cheney has a woody.
I think Shotgun Dick is a woody. A tiny irritating diseased woody.
The neocon philosophy says that in a chaotic situation expand the chaos. The Iran war is scheduled. It will take action to stop it. I am not hopeful.
Wars USED to boost economy because of full employment and almost all internal production. With out sourcing the money quickly flows out of the country and back as principal for a loan on future productivity that happens less and less in the USA.
check back later, have to get some zzzzzz's.
Guess what? The U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln (aircraft carrier) was the subject of a story today in the newspaper of the city in which it is stationed that reports that it will sail tomorrow (3/14) on a seven month deployment to unspecified (or unpublished) location(s). Its escort vessels will sail on Saturday. 3 + 7 = ?
Guess what? The carrier, the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln will sail tomorrow on a seven month deployment of unknown ("unpublished" is more like it) destination(s). It's escorts will sail on Saturday. 3 + 7 = ?
Curmudgeon, no way, enlistment? That's hard to imagine, but since there are no jobs....
Kem Patrick,yes I agree. Here's a thought, IF we did something like that, then Chavez and his buddies would hit us from the south, scary. And what would China and Russia do?
And, WTF are you a surfer, do you surf? Cheney doesn't deserve a woody.
The new French seem to like the idea of hitting Iran.
Can someone explain that one to me?
Iran and Syria have been the target all along.
Forget "October Surprise"
I'm thinking July.
You don't need to draft anyone to bomb them Marjorie. We have three carrier groups and bombers at Diego Garcia and Guam all ready for action. That's several hundred aircraft and of course sub launched cruise missiles. KA-BOOM!!
And if we do bomb Iran we wil have a war with them wwhether we want it or not and the oil will stop flowing.