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Did Clinton Win Ohio on a Lie?
Suppose someone in the North Korean government released a false story that shifted a key American election. If Bush were negatively affected, we might be bombing Pyongyang by now. But this just happened with what Hillary Clinton called "NAFTAgate" Without it, she might never have won Ohio, or her margin would have been minuscule. But as a Canadian Broadcasting Company story reveals, practically the entire story was a lie, one that played so central a role in Clinton's Ohio victory as to thoroughly taint any claim she raises about a swing state mandate.
As the Ohio primary approached, Obama was steadily closing what a month earlier had been a 20-point lead in the polls. He pointed out that the NAFTA trade agreement was a centerpiece of Bill Clinton's term and that it cost massive numbers of industrial jobs. Instead of creating a trade-fueled boom, NAFTA helped hollow out America's industrial base, with over 200,000 manufacturing jobs disappearing in Ohio alone since the 2000 election. Even Republicans I talked with while calling the state just before the primary made clear that they thought it was a disaster.
Given these sentiments, Hillary chose not to defend her husband's actions, but instead claimed Obama was distorting her position because she'd privately opposed the agreement at the time, had "long been a critic" and now similarly supported stronger labor and environmental standards. Echoing her reinvention on the Iraq War, these claims were flat-out nonsense. As David Sirota points out, she'd praised NAFTA repeatedly in public settings from the time of its inception, even praising corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort" on behalf of its passage. And as Obama highlighted their contrasting positions and approaches on this and other issues, he was gaining in the polls.
Then, on Feb 27, the Canadian network CTV reported that even as Obama was publicly attacking Bill's role in NAFTA, and arguing for a drastic overhaul, he'd had key economic advisor Austin Goolsby arrange a meeting with the Canadian ambassador where Goolsby reassured them that this was all just "political positioning," pandering for campaign trail. The likely source of the anonymous Valerie Plame-style leak was right-wing Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Chief of Staff, Ian Brodie, and US media jumped all over it as proof of Obama's hypocrisy. The Canadian embassy denied the story and Obama also said it was false. A follow-up March 3d leak then sent a supposed memo summarizing the meeting to the major US media outlets, quoting Goolsby as saying Obama's statements were more "political positioning than the clear articulation of policy plans." Clinton made the controversy a centerpiece of her home stretch speeches and ads, saying "You come to Ohio and you both give speeches that are very critical of NAFTA and you send out misleading and false information about my position regarding NAFTA and then we find out that your chief economic advisor has gone to a foreign government and basically done the old wink wink, don't pay any attention this is just political rhetoric." She even ran a radio ad that misleadingly presenting itself as a news story, which concluded, "As Senator Obama was telling one story to Ohio, his campaign was telling a very different story to Canada."
John McCain similarly attacked Obama for the presumed contradiction in his stand, saying ""I don't think it's appropriate to go to Ohio and tell people one thing while your aide is calling the Canadian Ambassador and telling him something else. I certainly don't think that's straight talk." The week before, key Clinton ally, Machinist's Union head Tom Buffenbarger used recycled language from ads the right-wing Club For Growth ran against Howard Dean by dismissing Obama supporters as "latte-drinking, Prius-driving, Birkenstock-wearing, trust fund babies." He now attacked Obama again by saying, "Working families cannot trust a candidate who telegraphs his real position to a foreign government and then dissembles in a nationally televised debate."
These attacks unquestionably made a difference. They flipped voter perceptions on an issue where Obama should have had a key advantage. In 1994, union, environmental, and social justice activists were so angry at Clinton's staking all his political chips to pass NAFTA that many sat out that critical election, helping lead to Gingrich's win. Now Hillary Clinton ended up getting a majority the 55 percent of Ohio voters who expressed a sense "that trade takes jobs away," a majority of those worried about their family's economic situation, and a majority of union members, whom Obama had been winning in his recent victories. She won a 10 percent plurality in a state where Ohioans overwhelmingly picked the economy as the top issue. And she won overwhelmingly with late-breaking voters, the opposite of practically all of Obama's other campaigns. Most important, by casting doubt on Obama's integrity, the cornerstone of his campaign, they made him seem like just another hack politician who'd say anything to win. This gave the supposed scandal a likely impact in Texas and Rhode Island as well, even though NAFTA was less of a central issue there..
But as the CBC report and others make clear, the core of the story turned out to be false. The Canadian government contacted Goolsby to clarify Obama's position on trade, not the reverse. Although Goolsby did meet with Canada's Chicago consul general George Rioux (not, as was reported in the original leak, Ambassador Michael Wilson), there's no evidence that he ever described Obama's position as mere political posturing. Instead, Goolsby responded to Canadian questions by clarifying that Obama wasn't pushing to scrap the agreement entirely, but that labor and environmental safeguards were important to him. The memo was simply inaccurate, as even the Harper government now acknowledges after a firestorm of criticism by opposition parliament members, who've accused the Harper government of trying to help their Republican allies across the border by trying to take down the likely and stronger of the Democratic candidates. In response, Harper called the leak "blatantly unfair," pledged to get to the bottom of it, and said, "there was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA."
Ironically, the day before the story hit American TV, Brodie told reporters questioning him on trade that "someone from (Hillary) Clinton's campaign is telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt. . . That someone called us and told us not to worry." But that never made the headlines and no one raised it in the campaign.
As Matt Wallace writes in the Daily Kos, "this scandal was manufactured out of whole cloth. Goolsbee said something consistent with Obama's official position--that he wanted protections added, but it wasn't going to be a fundamental change or revocation of NAFTA, and that Obama was not a protectionist. This was morphed somewhat going into the memo, and now the embassy admits they "may have misrepresented the Obama advisor." Even after the memo misrepresented Obama, the Harper government took it a step further and then leaked a completely fantastic version of the story to the press, in order to maximize the bloodletting."
The Harper government has now apologized for any interference in an American political campaign, but the damage is done. Clinton had other factors that benefited her this round, including pretty questionable ones. Her 3:00 AM ad echoed the worst of Dick Cheney and Rudy Giuliani. When asked if she'd "take Senator Obama on his word that he's not a Muslim," she left the door open to the right wing lies by saying "there's nothing to base that on. As far as I know." She just handed McCain his campaign script by saying, "I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002." These, taken together with a week of media framing that the respected Project for Excellence in Journalism described as overwhelmingly critical of Obama, and initial twenty five-point margins based on name familiarity and insider connections, also contributed strongly to her Ohio victory. Back-to-back sympathetic Saturday Night Lives shows (the first after the strike) probably helped as well, as did support from popular governor Ted Strickland. Clinton may even have benefited from Rush Limbaugh's exhortation to his listeners to cross over and vote for her to keep the Democrats bloodying each other up. But "NAFTAgate" was key. Without it her victory would have been non-existent or minimal. The nine delegates Clinton netted from Ohio can't be changed, but the salience of this lie casts into doubt everything she says about the lessons of this victory.
Paul Rogat Loeb is the author of The Impossible Will Take a Little While: A Citizen's Guide to Hope in a Time of Fear, named the #3 political book of 2004 by the History Channel and the American Book Association. His previous books include Soul of a Citizen: Living with Conviction in a Cynical Time. See www.paulloeb.org



78 Comments so far
Show AllClinton is sleazy. I used to think I could vote for her. But after this past few weeks, I'd rather see McCain in office. At least he won't ruin the Democratic brand, as Clinton would if she gets the office, by pretending to be a Democrat, while actually being another corporate Republican-lite.
If Clinton get's the nomination, I feel fairly sure she will not win the office. She can't out-war or out-experience McCain. When you run a campaign on fear and lies... well... the Republicans can easily out-fear and out-lie her too. She's a weak candidate who's main appeal is name recognition.
We can always run a better candidate after 4 years of McCain. Besides, McCain can take the fall for the tanking economy and endless war.
I can't figure out why Ohioans overwhelmingly bought into her candidacy. I think she would lose to McCain this fall if she is the Dem nominee. The Dem establishment or old guard loves her. All I know is that many progressives out there will stay home in Nov if she is the Dem nominee. I for one feel like she is a phony.
Republicans were urged by the far right to 'crossover' and vote for Shillary. That was a big factor the article here did not mention.
Why would you be surprised about Ohio? They picked Bush too, they're no brighter than Floridians who are some of the dumbest, drooling fools I've ever met. I live here so I CAN judge. The Clintons and the Bushs are the same. Not an iota of difference between them, one family is just slightly better with their lying than the other...
You would have thoght Ohio voters would be too smart for Clinton tricks 'as usual'.
My relatives fell for it, sad to say.
There were some more lies. At the end of Tuesday evening, as Hillary Clinton gave her "victory" speech, she claimed that she had won primaries in both Florida and Michigan. As everyone knows, the conduct of those elections is in dispute - it is incredible that one or another of the candidates should now claim a win in either state.
All through Tuesday evening and Wednesday, both TV and print media headlined a sweep - 3 states to 1 - in favor of Clinton. In fact Obama won in Texas; the statistics are readily available. In Texas there were two contests - a primary, to choose 126 delegates (Clinton won this, by 51% to 47%), and caucuses, to choose 102 delegates (Obama won these, by a margin presently shown at 56% to 44% and likely to hold). Out of all that, Clinton gets 110 Texas delegates, Obama 118. Once the Texas proportional rules are applied, Obama is favored to win still more.
The bottom line, based on the above and the statistics for Ohio, Rhode Island, and Vermont, is that Clinton took 203 delegates out of these four contests, Obama 201: a net gain of 2 delegates. This is hardly the big victory which we've been seeing displayed in the media.
I truly regret what my gut tells me -- with Clinton everything is for sale in her relentless quest for the Presidency. And if she becomes President we will see the yard sale of America. If she is what is regarded as "inspiring and experienced" then we have tragically lowered our bar on leadership.
When I was 18 -- my first vote was for Shirley Chisolm for President. And I always wanted to vote for the intelligent, thoughtful and articulate Barbara Jordan. Both these women had their feet firmly planted on the ground -- and spoke directly and clearly. They also stood up -- took no flack -- sometimes alienated powerful interests -- and had backbone.
With Clinton -- there is no real insight -- no true understanding of the issues of everyday people -- no true backbone. Hillary is of the "corporate management" generation. No visionary leadership -- just a campaign touting experience which is more reflective of a "resume" to get a position -- than a manifesto for our future. By the way, she is NOT any Eleanor Roosevelt -- whose character was truly evolved and centered enough to "take any call" -- even at 3:00 am.
When Hill and Bill actively campaigned for "independent" war monger Joe Lieberman against anti-war Democratic Party candidate Ned Lamont in the 2006 Connecticut senatorial race, the Clintons proved beyond the shadow of a doubt they are not Democrats.
Just as Karl Rove pulled W ahead of McCain during the 2000 Republican primary with his push polls asking voters if they would "vote for John McCain if they knew he had a black baby", the Clintons will do wahtever it takes to get Hillary on the ticket.
Politics is so ugly. This country so desperately needs progressives back in control of government, and then Hillary Clinton goes forth and consistently poisons the well against the progressive movement. How can I in good conscience vote for her if she gains the nomination? This is making me sick in my gut.
If Obama is not the nominee come November, who the heck do I vote for, if anyone? The idea of Hillary Clinton occupying the White House fills me with despair. McCain? Despair x 1000.
Clinton winning Ohio _was_ a lie. There was a 10% difference between the exit polls and the actual results. Yes, exit polls aren't 100% accurate, but they use them for a reason. They shouldn't be off by 10%.
Paul Rogat Loeb. why is the title phrased as a question? do you have doubts?
I can't vote for Clinton. She doesn't stand for anything anymore. She attacks Obama because she can't win on her record, her "experience", her plans, her charisma, or any other way. The majority doesn't want to vote FOR her, so her campaign resorts to taking down the other candidate to win so they will vote AGAINST him.
People buy lies and hate. Why do you think we had two Bush terms.
It's sad, but she won't get my vote, ever.
Tex Shelters
now we know she's qualified...
I feel Clinton is a phoney -- Republican in dem clothing. If she wins the democratic nomination, I simply cannot vote for her. She is war hawk, and completely in bed with big corporate business. I don't trust her one iota. If she gets the dem nomination -- I'll vote third party.
The corporate media is a major troublemaker here. If the bloodletting lags, they throw more chum in the water. And it's no accident that they are colluding in the destruction of the Democratic party candidates.
curmudgeon, only 24% of Ohio voters have a college education, to a great extent the result of being an impoverished state. And people with only a high school education favor Hillary over Obama.
I didn't know about the exit polls. More vote count tampering? Not unexpected, considering it's Ohio.
kathyodat
Ditto to what NancyH posted. I used to think I could vote for Clinton, but her smear tactics & support of the war
have turned me off completely. If Obama is not the Dem nominee, I will either vote third party or write in someone else.
curmudgeon99 sez: "You would have thought Ohio voters would be too smart for Clinton tricks 'as usual'."
I've never thought any such thing. They're Americans, after all.
I don't think the actual Ohio vote was manipulated--their new Secretary of State has been aggressively correcting all the garbage that Ken Blackwell initiated. But I do think that voters there and elsewhere are vulnerable to last-minute manipulations--which is all the more reason we need the person-to-person politics that gives them a chance to have conversations away from their TVs.
We also need to push the mainstream media to keep covering this story and not just treat it as yesterday's news. The manipulation is front page in Canada--should be front page here as well.
I am continually dismayed by Senator Clinton's remarks that Obama is all talk while she touts herself as "a fighter." We've had "a fighter" in the White House for 7 years named George Bush and we don't need "a fighter" anymore. Obama should spin Clinton's words like she spins his messages. He should say George Bush is a fighter too. And what we need is a listener. Which Obama says he is. A listener. And not a liar. Thank You.
By now it's obvious that the Clintons have no morals and that they believe any means, no matter how dishonest or reprehensible, justify the end they are determined to achieve.
If the democratic candidate is not Obama, it will be a lost opportunity for a change in the political direction of the US.
But if the Democratic candidate is not Obama, I will vote for John McCain. He may not be very bright, but at least he seems to have a genuineness and decency that Hill & Bill totally lack.
Good Luck , PaulLoeb ( good article)
My front page news is all how Obama is ready to ramp up the negative attacks on Bilary(well-deserved) but no mention or retraction of Canada problem.
Forrest Prince, I'm with you - totally sickened in my gut by Clinton. I will never vote for her either. She's Rove in a pantsuit, that is all. So sad, so disheartening. The first woman who has a chance to win the presidency and it's Rove. I really do want to run away and just stop thinking about it. So many people don't understand and it makes me crazy. A friend of mine in a new agey type group actually wrote and apologized to me for putting me down for being so "emotional" about what is going on. She's starting to 'wake up' after all these years. Everybody is on their own evolutionary path when it comes to waking up. But right now EVERYBODY needs to wake up and demand our freedoms before they roll out The Ray Gun, gawd help us all. Make sure you don't wear contacts to protests, the microwaves might melt them to your cornea. Hillary, Billary, Shillary back in the White House. Unbelievable.
When Rev King joined forces with the anti-war and labor movements... they simply shot him. That's my belief. There's so much disinformation regarding JFK (they resurrect and re-assassinate him periodically), but my personal belief is, as Stone asserted, he was not going to capitulate to the MIC, and presented challenges to the Federal Reserve bunch. When Bobby picked up the Peace Banner and made a go for the Presidency, HE, was killed.
Now, with the Internet, non-monied candidates can take the people's money in smaller increments and fund a campaign... an end run around the status quo.
Until they bring the Internet to heel, just as they've done with Cable Networks... WE represent an unprecedented challenge to THEM.
What do YOU think's going to happen, if someone not FULLY under THEIR control attains the White House?
Well, I'm convinced, personally, that you need to buckle up Dorothy because Kansas is going BYE BYE.
I'm with most of you above who'll never vote for Clinton, and I fear that many of Obama's younger (under 35) voters feel the same. The Democratic Party has a unique chance to bring younger voters into the fold as never before, but instead may end up losing another generation of voters. Shame on Hillary for not seeing this and getting out of the way.
Check this press release out for unmitigated Clinton sleaze and misdirection:
Clinton Aide Compares Obama to Starr
By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer
Thursday, March 6, 2008
"A top aide to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday compared rival Sen. Barack Obama to independent prosecutor Kenneth Starr.
Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said Obama's statement that he plans to be more critical of Clinton's record is reminiscent of the attacks the Clintons endured during the investigations in the 1990s......."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/03/06/politics/p091417S60.DTL&type=politics
Rolling Stone magazine just endorsed Obama...
As for Clinton, the only thing she can do at this point is lose the election for the Dems. That seems to be her sole purpose for staying in. Either that or I've been right all along and the fix IS in and she KNOWS this is all just posturing and that she will be GIVEN the nomination. She's a vile, disgusting individual and I for one, will NEVER vote for her so long as there is breath in my body. Nobody in my household will vote for her either or they won't have a roof over their heads the next day.
Some choice - three Republicans running for president.
Those jobs have been going since the 70s and NAFTA had very little to do with it. The people of Ohio sense this first hand and are not subject to the manipulation of some hoping to make short term political gains.
NAFTA did allow us to get energy from Canada and Mexico that we would not have had access to otherwise. That kept us less dependent on Middle Eastern oil, which has been a positive for U.S. trade. We may need to revisit NAFTA and rewrite parts of it, but it is not the root of all evil that some make it out to be and informed people know this.
BELOW AN OPEN LETER TO BARAK OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN COORDINATOR.
In support of all those who shout here in vain against the Clinton scourge, against the Clinton camp who simply wants more of the same "failed policies of the past", in support who those who want change at any price because it can't be worse than these past eight years, nothing can, I submit a letter requested by the Obama's campaign director. It is an open letter to the super delegates. We all know that the entrenched congress is opposed to Obama and the will of America. We know the bought and paid media is nothing more than an establishment, corrupt, rubber stamp for government policies and afraid of their own shadows. They reflect this gutless country so afraid they might lose their next new car they would defeat any change agent more of the same stupidity regardless of the cost. They are afraid of change, which is necessary for global survival. I am opposed to the infrastructure of the Green party since the level of anarchy dictates against any real positive direction. Or for that matter a run by Nader, not enough charisma to attract sufficient voters, not that his message lacks importance. Hillary followed directly in the footsteps of Karl rove and George Bush and the republicrat from Connecticut, Lieberman her good friend.
Change is the only hope for this country and the world!
Dear Mr. David Plouffe,
Thank you for your request, although by e-mail. I am a visual artist, Filmmaker and global communicator. I have recently returned from Africa and work on both sides of the Atlantic in Europe. I know from my work that people for the first time in a long time are hoping for a change in America. Europeans believe that Barak Obama offers the possibility that America will once again join the global community. His stated environmental objectives create enthusiasm in those in other parts of the world.
There are some who believe that the democratic will of the people should be overturned by the presumption of power as in the super-delegate issue of the Democratic Party. This raises the specter of large-scale defections toward the Republican agenda by the youth vote, should the Democratic Party not align itself with the peoples democratic and non-militant direction. Should this occur it would affect world security and the issue of climate change directly. These issues are dependent upon radical solutions, which include global economic changes. Defection of democrats and particularly the young people-who hope for change and believe that change is necessary could possibly tilt the election toward the Republicans should the youth opt out. They would refuse to turn out for the Clinton camp.
Many fear that Obama may lose the election as a result of the strange electoral system and candidate approval mechanisms, felt to be undemocratic. This reflects the basic problem of what many think is a so-called Democracy in America where a win in the popular vote does not guarantee the change in direction of the country.
The Electoral College can make a change as we saw in the 2004 election which allowed Bush to take office; this renders the popular vote, void. The Democratic Super-delegate issue is a reflection of the absurd non-democratic American condition of the Electoral College. Should Barak Obama win the popular vote from America's Democratic caucuses, delegates and committed states prior to the convention I do not believe that he should accept second place as vice president, which seems to be the mood of the media controlled election process and spin jockeys. I believe that he should maintain himself as the democratically designated elected leader of the Democratic Party. Contrary to that hack journalist, Blitzer and his 'Dream Team".
Obama forced to that position should form a third party and run against both Hillary Clinton and John McCain. This would be true democracy in action but we all know this is a fantasy. People everywhere both in this country and abroad want change in the USA. Should that occur Obama needs a ready made party and given his environmental agenda the Green Party and others might supply the reasoning. However they are in such disarray and is probably an unlikely thought. His rhetoric suggests, that we must move away from the "failed policies of the past" if we are to save this world for future generations. However, his statement should show a willingness to take the lead in the conviction that he espouses.
Obama has stated he has run because the time is now not in the future. The changes needed, are as he puts it, "right now", not in the future and the perils of environmental collapse are approaching so quickly that we do not have the luxury of another eight years of "business as usual" which would be the Clinton way, before he could claim the office of president. Clinton knows that she can not win against McCain without Obama. To defeat Clinton and the return to the failed Bush methodology, she amply displayed to win Ohio with the politic of fear. Obama requires that he turn to a radical shift in campaign policy it necessary to win.
He is a populist candidate that has offered hope! He should continue that platform with the courage to take the steps necessary if the standard-bearer position is denied to him to effect party and changes in American direction. He should take this radical shift and direction, if necessary! By doing so he would serve notice to the Democratic Party that democracy is not lost in America should the first place be denied. The party is being prepared for Clinton to take the crown with the discussion now on the table for Michigan and Florida to vote once again. We all lose and the possibility of change and it goes down with her selection.
If Obama takes half the country with him to a third party we all have a chance. He believes that the failed policies of the past exist within the entrenched two party systems in congress represented by the Super delegates. The only way of preventing another move to those failed policies is not to allow Hillary Clinton to win by forcing Barak Obama to take second place. But does Barak Obam have that amount of courage to suggest this option, I doubt it, though I support the man. This would be the last hand to play and he should be discussing this in the back rooms of the party as Hillary is discussing, the two other states she covets for her crown.
This public denial by him of allowing super-delegates to determine the election would be a way of circumventing the second place the congress and CNN want him to accept. It would force the super delegates to reflect the will of the people. I heard one of the super-delegates speaking from Georgia. He was black and under examination by the press, it was clear that the position of many "super delegates" would be to overturn the national-will, regardless of Barak Obama taking the popular vote or the majority of delegates. "The failed policies of the past" has put the youth of the USA and the World in the present circumstances of possibly destroying their future and their life.
In the final analysis the USA did not rise to the level of intelligence and courage necessary by electing George Bush to office for two terms and I doubt that it will by choosing Barak Obama to lead. The media and the democratic establishment suggests the "dream team" scenario by supporting the status quo and have the temerity to think it can choose the way the people's choice will be suborned and thus nullifying the very democracy they espouse. The height of cynical belief. This congress has not dealt with Bush and Cheney for lying to the American people and Wolf Blitzer on CNN is the scourge of presumption and simply a clone of the establishment.
These policies, if continued will lead to chaos and the disaffection of the youth and could, by default, elect John McCain and with him a continuation of war for another hundred years. This is a moot point since thirty years remain before environmental disaster takes hold because that is the time we have left to make the radical shift in global politics, environmental direction and economics.
This is an open response from a European blogger. Included below:
Aggie67 February 16th, 2008 2:20 am 
I hope you Americans realize that we, in the rest of the world, are following these primary elections of yours with the greatest of interest. Whatever you do affects us so much. The election of George W Bush seemed to have been such a corruption of the democracy you hold dear, please don't let it happen again by your incessant bickering amongst yourselves. The world needs you to get back to REAL DEMOCRACY, so that we can all live a safer life. What we can't understand is why you don't seem to have "one man, one vote" It all seems to be based on which candidate has the most money, delegates and very strong lobbyists. Definitely not one, man one vote and the winner of the popular vote don't seem to win the election. Weird definition of democracy. 

Q: When don't exit polls matter?
A: When you live in a rigged dictatorship.
Who was Hillary on the phone with at 3 am when Bill was getting a "Lewinski Special" in the next room..right under her nose??
If she can't "protect and defend" her own husband at 3am how can she be expected to protect and defend an entire nation?
Organized labor-driven Ohio illustrates the classic conundrum of the people's dependence on capital that is the "American Way". Ohio is worried about the economy so it votes for the best mafia-connected capitalist, Clintok, pretending this will somehow give the economy a boost and benefit the people. But this is a death vote for Ohioans because Clintok's capitalist mafia will continue to ignore the people, organized or not, and escalate the outsourcing of jobs until the cow of cheap foreign labor is fully milked. The people's dependence on capital equals chains on their legs. Organized labor is still in the straightjacket of the old "American Way" submission to capital. How much longer will capital rule over people?
I like that comment Billary is Rove in a pantsuit!
I won't vote for her either and I've been a Dem my entire life. I'll vote Nader too and if that means a Prez McCain, so be it. At least he has SOME integrity.
And if that bitch unfairly steals the nomination, if the Dems are that stupid, they deserve to lose. African Americans and the young people will be infuriated and some probably won't vote at all.
Kristina40: "Nobody in my household will vote for her either or they won't have a roof over their heads the next day."
Careful now, this sounds like voter intimidation ;-)
The Democratic Party will promise you a chicken dinner tonight and eggs tomorrow for breakfast. You feel good hearing the news. It should all work out, except you just killed the chicken for tonight's dinner that was going to lay the eggs for morning's breakfast. No eggs for you.
What policies do you think the candidates will support? Who are they beholden to. It is not any reader of Common Dreams.
so sorry...
This little episode only confirms that the woman really is a bitch!
People generally get the type of government they deserve. If a majority of the American people are stupid enough to believe the lies, without bothering to check them out, then they will wind up with four more years (or possibly eight) of a president who habitually lies to them. And maybe this is indeed what they deserve.
The results in Texas and Ohio are consistent with the polls.
Why ask why? You're surprised?
Obama is on thin ice. The DNC powerbrokers get a lot of dough from the same contributors as the RNC. They know they can rely on Clinton to either lose, or continue the corporate-imperial agenda... while promising us all popsicles... as soon as we take our shots.
That's the way it's always been here. It's so much like that now, it's become a caricature of itself.
FOR PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY WOULD RTHER HAVE A REPUBLICAN THAN ONE OF THE DEMOCRATS, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT BROUGH YOU IRAQ. YES! THE ENTIRE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE MUST CHANGE BUT ONE HAS TO LOOK AT THE GREATEST POSSIBILITIES NOTHING IN LIFE IS PERFECT THAT IS CLEAR WITH PEOPLE WHO WOULD HELP MCCAIN TO THE PRESIDENCY!
I really don't approve of insulting people, even those running for office. But, jeez louise, I've come to see that this Hillary person is really,really bad.
I don't like McCain and I don't like Hillary. I dislike Obama a lot less. I believe Clinton is the bosses' choice, McCain is second and Obama third. I believe that McCain thinks for himself and getting him to bend over will be harder than getting Hillary to bend over which she seems to do with great ease. That is why I wonder if McCain might not actually be the better choice if you plan to vote inside the system and you have Hillary and McCain to choose from. Anybody who looks worse than Clinton to Ann Coulter can't be all that bad. On the other hand, Coulter is a deadhead! How can that be? What does it mean?
If Obama is the nominee, I would be willing to abandon the Nader option, because there is a slight chance he might do some good. Naive? Could be. I really don't know.
When Ohio and election are in the same sentence, I think voting machines and suspect fraud. However, Brad Friedman isn't screaming, so if the election was rigged, we don't have decent evidence of it. Yet.
If you haven't checked out his website, do so now: http://www.bradblog.com/. Brad Friedman is proof that the name Friedman is not as bad as Hitler or Stalin, no matter how much the late economist Milton or the commentator Thomas have led you to believe that was the case.
Hillary: Will maintain a presence in Iraq while minimizing American losses and maximizing the air war. Troops will tend to stay in their bases and she will try to stand back while Iraqis kill each other. She will hope to capitalize on the aftermath.
Obama: Obama will do the same but try, and fail, with diplomacy.
McCain: Will ally the US with the Sunnis to subjugate the Shiite, restoring the state of affairs during Sadaam, while placing the US with the winners. The Sunnis are more like USAns than the Iranians and their Iraqi surrogates. I don't see McCain doing things that favor Iran geopolitically like Bush does.
Just thoughts, because by the time anybody takes office, the situation will have been drastically changed by Frankencheney
Nader/Obama on a third party ticket? Would that be cool or what?
Hillary Clinton is so desperate to win the candidacy it's pathetic. I didn't watch SNL last weekend, but I saw clips of it later. Why did they make Obama look like an ugly fool while they gave Hillary top billing and made her look better than she is? They say it got Hillary more votes. I don't know how dumb voters can get, allowing Saturday Night Live to affect who they vote for......haha
She tries to get the sympathy vote and plays the gender card to the hilt. I don't see Obama playing the race card.
Hillary has lost all my respect.
If the election comes down to Clinton or McCain – I will vote for McCain. Though both he and Hillary are pieces of shit, at least McCain admits that he is a Republican.
Enough of Hillary's "35 years of experience". Bullshit.
She was First Lady of Arkansas for 12 years, and First Lady of the US for 8 years. That's 20 years of her "35".
If being the wife of someone qualifies you for a job, then I guess my wife is qualified to be a teacher, as I have been in the classroom teaching for 22 years, and she has never been a teacher!
Hillary has one 6 year term in the Senate, and is in the second year of her second term. That is it, besides being a lawyer in her early years.
Just a question. If, in fact, this new version is correct, why, do you suppose, did the Canadian gov't. feel it necessary to contact Obama to "clarify" his position on trade? Why would the Canadian gov't. need to be reassured if he hadn't actually said something that could be interpreted as a willingness to undo NAFTA? And why would this very intelligent fellow have said something that could be so interpreted, unless of course he knew that that's precisely what the voters in Ohio wanted, indeed needed, to hear?
The "core" of the story may have been false, but I suspect the essense was true. Mr. Obama sold his critique of NAFTA so well to Ohio voters that the Canadians needed to be reassured. And, obligingly, he reassured them, which means of course that it was then the Ohio voters who became alarmed. The trouble with having a silver tongue is that sometimes you are a little bit too convincing.
Don't misunderstand, I am NOT a Clinton supporter. But NEITHER one has any intention of fiddling around with NAFTA, and if Obama had, as the author states, a "key advantage" on NAFTA, it would only be because he had, in fact, been better than Clinton in fooling Ohio voters into thinking he would do something that he had no intention of doing. I think the voters were well served in being enlightened in this area even if the details were a little messy.
Somehow I get the impression that the author is an Obama supporter, or at least dislikes Clinton enormously. We seem to be getting more and more heat and less and less light as this campaign progresses. Too bad. But I guess personality and presentation are all that's left when there is no difference in substance.
PS - I am NOT a McCain supporter, either.
This ludicrous excuse for Obama's big lie about NAFTA distorts the main facts of the case, as reported with verbatim quotes from a consular memo in the New York Times...
Barack Obama's lead economic advisor told the Canadian consul in Chicago that "Obama's tough talk on the North American Free Trade Agreement is just campaign rhetoric not to be taken seriously."
Austan Goolsbee, who has been Barack Obama's economic advisor since Obama's Senate campaign in Illinois, told Canadian consular officials in Chicago that "much of the rhetoric that may be perceived to be protectionist is more reflective of political maneuvering than policy."
Obama's double-speak about NAFTA was revealed in a 1,300 word memo written by a Canadian consular official, Joseph DeMora, recounting a meeting between himself, Goolsbee and the consul general in Chicago, Georges Rioux.
The closing section of the memo specifically mentions Ohio:
"As Obama continues to court the economic populist vote, particularly in upcoming contests like Ohio, we are likely to see a continuation of some of the messaging that hasn't played in Canada's favour, but this should continue to be viewed in the context in which it is delivered."
So as Obama "continues to court the economic populist vote," we can expect to hear a lot more "campaign rhetoric not to be taken seriously," but it's "more reflective of political maneuvering than policy."
The only Canadian "denial" of this story is an anonymous source at the Canadian Embassy in Washington, who could not possibly have had first-hand knowledge of a meeting in Chicago between Goolsbee, Rioux, and DeMora, and even that pitiful source only says the memo may be mistaken.
The rest of Canada's reaction is regret that the story was leaked, creating the impression of Canadian meddling in a U.S. election.
No one in the Canadian government is directly questioning the accuracy of DeMora's memo, because DeMora and the Canadian consul Georges Rioux both took notes about the meeting, and they still still behind the memo.
Obama lied to the voters in Ohio about NAFTA, and got busted for it. All the rest is desperate spin from Obama partisans like Paul Rogat Loeb.
the woman comes trailing clouds of mendacity. prez? really! then again perhaps we are so accustomed to a liar in the white house that anything else would give us an anxiety attack.
thank you paul loeb for filling in the blanks concerning the nafta/canadian govt rift.
I'll forgive the people of ohio for being bamboozled.However, i'm more concerned w/ the voters in california and massachusetts that somehow imagined clinton as the democratic candidate who would be best positioned to beat mccain. i was surprised by the CA/MA outcomes, had obama won decisively in those 2 states this would be over.
the fact obama did exceptionally well overcoming 20 pt leads by clinton in TX 4-6 weeks prior to the vote. that's amazing, and similarly in ohio - reducing her projected victory substantially. the fact obama is still in the race as an insurgent candidate is amazing (and he's actually winning). all that the results from 3/4/8 confirm is that the contest will go straight into the chambers of the convention in denver and the democratic party itself will have to come to terms with how to deal with the clintons (who,in my mind, currently melt into an image of bonnie and clyde ). i don't believe sheriff pelosi or ranger dean are really looking forward to looking hillary and bill in the eyes and telling them the sweet truth, it's over baby.
there are many maps out there concerning this race, examine the remaining contests, the amount of delegates in play - the splits rural/urban, black/white, young/old etc.. as obama has indicated we need to do the math. it's going to the convention.
this is the first US election since 1928 w/ out a incumbent or former VP/P in the race.
in 1912 t roosevelt walked out of the convention and took his supporters w/ him into the streets. he came in 2nd in the general. ultimately 3 US presidents (taft,roosevelt,wilson) competed in that election. americans went w/ wilson who guided us over protesters into war. but t roosevelt came in 2nd (the best showing for a 3rd party candidate in american history %30 vote). i believe IKE above is correct. obama has said he'll only run once (of course every politician says this) but if the presence of people in the streets of denver, coupled w/ the media attention of the world - obama will have the stage and could literally "reshape the course of american politics" (ala yeltsin) by running against his own party on principle (a civil rights lawyer, remember.)
this can only transpire if he wins both the popular vote and the pledged delegates. obama could run as an independent outraged at the undemocratic maneuvering of the DNC. international inspections of US elections would probably be mandated. i believe that for every person who voted in the primaries/caucus for obama, there are 5 more. obama's injustice incurred by the democratic party would motivate those 5/1 voters to participate in the general.... then they would kill him/ martial law....(but a change in course of USA???)..
obama claims mahatma ghandi and MLK are his heroes (both assassinated). its really up to him, but don't kid yourself by being so dismissive of messianic references. will find out in august.... see you there...
where are jimmy carter, al gore and john edwards???
obama needs to start providing names to the press on a regular basis... names of PAC's that are influencing clinton's policy positions and campaign, the names of corporate clients that are putting bread on her table (via her husband) and the nature of those transactions (as CD thankfully observed how canadian/american/kazakh interest all can be entwined around bill), and yes the names of people who employed bill/hill's daughter, for lots of money w/out requisite skill set, who were clinton's political campaign donors. it may be legal, but it demonstrates the nature of clinton's values.
continue to support sheehan.....
...peace.........................