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Losing the Future
A certain reverence is required just to approach the book's title: "The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict" by noted economists Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes. I can see why they understated it.
The pulse of outrage beats behind the cold calculations in this concise volume, newly published by Norton. We're not just "losing" this tragic, arrogantly unplanned war in the conventional sense of failing to subdue our enemies - we're committing slow socioeconomic suicide with its open-ended pursuit, losing, as we plunge recklessly into debt over it, our options, our ability to choose. We're losing the future.
"Because of the war, the national deficit is $2 trillion higher," Stiglitz, who won the Nobel Prize in economics in 2001, told me. "At 5 percent interest, that's $100 billion a year, year after year after year - forever!"
Such numbers are beyond the scope of the human imagination. To begin putting the war into financial perspective, Stiglitz suggested that we need a new unit of account: "Think of what things would cost in terms of hours, days, weeks of fighting."
For instance, he said, "Three years ago we had a financial crisis with the Social Security system. For one-sixth of an Iraq war, you could have fixed Social Security for the next 50 to 75 years."
Or how about health insurance for children? Remember when President Bush vetoed a bill to expand it? "We're talking about days of fighting in Iraq," Stiglitz said.
Or, hmm, what about the fact that suddenly one of every 150 children is being diagnosed with autism? The cost of serious research on this issue? "Four hours of an Iraq war!"
(Note: The American Friends Service Committee has a Web page devoted to the Iraq war as a unit of account, at afsc.org/cost/banners.htm.)
Before we begin a serious waltz with the current war numbers that Stiglitz and Bilmes force us to confront in their book, let's ponder some far easier stats. Remember Gulf War I? We drove Saddam out of Kuwait, racking up huge kills in the process and sustaining a mere 148 of our own dead and another 467 injured. Combat operations lasted a month. What's more, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait paid for most of it - it was practically a free war.
Except, as Stiglitz and Bilmes point out, in the aftermath of this quickie, yellow-ribbon-festooned war, vets started getting sick - started dying - of mysterious maladies that came to be called Gulf War Syndrome. Some 17 years later, "the United States still spends over $4.3 billion each year paying compensation, pension and disability benefits to more than 200,000 veterans of the Gulf War," they write. "We have already spent over $50 billion in Gulf War I disability benefits."
Almost two decades later, our tax dollars are still disappearing down the gaping maw of this monthlong war. Now, consider that the current Iraq war is five years old this month and counting (John McCain is ready to go at it for another hundred), and we've been in Afghanistan so far for six and a half years. The secret and terrible costs of these wars are growing, growing, growing; and they are exponentially greater than the still enormously expensive, and forgotten, Gulf War I.
Just the cost of care for physically and emotionally injured vets for these two protracted wars - in which our GIs are being forced to return for two, three and even more tours of duty - will run, the authors estimate, to more than $700 billion. And, they note, the care the government refuses to pay for doesn't simply disappear as a cost. It falls on the families themselves. Someone pays it, so it's part of the total.
Stiglitz and Bilmes do more than ferret out the operational, medical and other war costs hidden in various parts of the national budget. When they also factor in reasonable estimates of the macroeconomic costs (including interest on our staggering debt, the war-triggered increases in the price of oil), they are forced to add another $2 trillion to the cost of the war.
When they press on with their analysis and begin calculating the global costs as well - including such arcane and disconcerting calculations as the value of an Iraqi life figured, in terms of lost income generation, at 7 percent of an American life - suddenly there's another $6 trillion. Add it up, if you dare, and you wind up in the neighborhood of $11 trillion. Helluva neighborhood.
But there's more to the book than numbers. The authors are clearly aware that to a certain extent they are calculating the incalculable: the value of our lost national credibility ("We have become toxic"); the value of human life; the value of shattered hopes. For instance, "The majority of Iraqi children are not attending school," they note at one point.
The authors move on, but this is where I'll stop. If we truly face up to what we've done, we'll never go to war again.
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Everybody needs to read this link. This sounds exactly like today. So guess where we're headed. Coolidge actually placed a lot of this in action. Hoover was blamed for the Great Depression because he was in office even though most of the economic problems was created by Coolidge. It destroyed the Republican party for 20-30 years. The next President will be blamed the next economic crash which will happen during this next term. The American people have short-term memories, so they WILL be blame the next President whoever that may be — and the party in power will be blamed.
http://www.gusmorino.com/pag3/greatdepression/
Cheney said "money doesn't matter" and it doesn't, its who's name owns title to property, intellectual rights, water rights etc.
They can run this country into the ground, let the mass of people starve to death, rebuild their "kingdom" as seen fit, and reintroduce slavery using meek Mexican labor. Soon they will be raping the help's young daughters, just like in the "old days" of th' South.
Cheney said "Reagan proved deficits don't matter", but guess what, they do matter! They matter for you, your kids and your grandkids.
The Republican plan was to get the government so far into debt that they could not do any social programs. Well, you all elected them, so I guess you got what you wanted.
By implication, if we are losing our future, at least the war mongers (that is we) will not be able to continue indefinitely. Then the meek can inherit the Earth, albeit likely a scorched one.
Deficits don't matter to Cheney or Reagan. Reagan is dead. Cheney, with his crappy heart and fat-clogged veins, won't live long enough to witness the destruction he's unleashed on America.
TIME TO VOTE SOME YOUNGER PEOPLE INTO OFFICE. Obama has two young children who will inherit this mess. The Clintons? Chelsey is making $190,000 a year on Wall Street.
The neocons lied to the gullible people of America to get us into this war. Most people won't even question their leaders. When their leaders speak they believe them. Most don't really care much about the machinations of politics. They live for sound bites which are diligently fed, the most nutritious containing elements of religion and elements of a strong defense. God and guns sums up what "red" American looks for in their leaders. Of course, not all of them are this profoundly dumb. Some are coming around and realizing that the neocons were (and are) a gang of highly organized and powerful thugs, and are turning on them. Good for those people. Thank God that they couldn't let the waving (blinding&hiding) flag keep their common sense at bay forever. Now these "folks" need to wake up and realize what exactly they gave their blessing to be done. The above article is just one of the repurcussions of aiding and abetting criminals.
Why do we have to keep supporting sick veterans? Can't we just throw them away? "Supporting the troops" only means supporting the Leader and his war; we're not supposed to take it literally.
"I've done my bit. And, by the way, I'm not through."
Apparently, there's still a bit of our future that hasn't been cremated yet.
So ya read the above heart-stopping essay, and over at USA Today, ya try and match it with this:
"Bush remains popular with Republicans (73%) and conservatives (57%) in the latest USA TODAY/Gallup Poll."
The next asshole who talks about "bipartisanship" - punch 'em in the teeth.
We're not losing the future. We lost it a long time ago, and the suicidality has been reflected across our culture for decades. I think there's a convergence between the generational theories put forward by Strauss & Howe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Strauss) and the global disintegration of the ecosystem, the fossil fuel economy and, shortly, "civil" society altogether.
Looking forward, for young people for quite awhile now, has not been a matter of planning for how to fix things when we grow up and shoulder the responsibilities and authority currently held by a small subset of our elders. Not even close.
It's been about planning how to survive after the collapse of the whole house of cards.
The only way we can /begin/ to redeem ourselves in the eyes of the rest of the world, is to throw Bush & Co. out of office, and then arrest, try, and hang the lot of them.
And "losing the future" was what this war (aside from staying i power in 2004)was what the radical Republican strategy was all about. The easiest way to control domestic affairs and to control the population is through war. That's what the tax thing is all about, which is to shift the resources from the public (non-military)side to the wealthy to make more millions and billions from unearned income and war profiteering and to push the consequences into the future to be paid for by future generations. Rove's hero is William McKinley, who headed off the Progressive Party and its followers by using the Spanish-American War (by jingo!!) to destroy it an get the workers into a patriotic fervor to save Cuba. Get it?
Our nation can't afford a lot of things, like health care, road repair, schools, etc. If we can maintain the current process of not being able to afford stuff, maybe we will get to the point where we can't afford war. With any luck we can have a recession which will lower taxes paid to the government, which has set up a system of debts than is sinking the dollar. This all adds up to the point where we can go broke faster and thus end the war faster.
Dahhhh.... hasn't anyone been paying attention to the profits posted by EXXON/MOBILE, BP/Amoco, Chevron/Texaco !!!
There are some VERY BIGTIME WINNERS here. Whom do you think they are stocking the Svalbard Doomsday Seed Vault for, you and your trailerpark neighbors???
"Deficits don't matter"......try telling that to the business world who have trouble finding the money to continue their businesses since sub-prime hit the fan.
This situation is an example writ small to picture future chaos.It may not be pretty!
Why would we face up to what he have done? We never have before. This nation finds war natural, just part of living.
Frank 1959: Punch them in the teeth? Isn't that the kind of attitude that leads to violence and wars? How about disagree with them? Is that too soft for you? I will assume you don't really mean it. I'm angry too.
This is sad and evil, to put dollar figures on people's lives, to continue to harm and destroy lives on both sides, and what for? Oil? Higher oil prices? In the end, it is just a repeat of history, where a few people, with little concern for other's lives, just continue to destroy and maime, and plunder for their own benefit, or their friend's benefit. Trouble is it eventually comes back to haunt them, and more innocent lives get hurt.
Our dollars cost 6 cents to print, no matter what the denomination. Heck, we only have 250 billion of them in circulation in the US (500 billion notes are circulating overseas, brought home by illegal immigrants or used to finance drug/weapons deals). Most of our 13 trillion dollars (M3) simply exist as numbers written or typed into a ledger, checkbook money. So how valuable is it.
Our money is created out of thin air based on government debt that is monetized by the Fed, and multiplied by up to 10 times by the private debt the Fed system creates. If the US government had no debt, there would be no money (10 x 0 = 0).
The talk about our debt is the same fear mongering as peak oil (high oil prices, lower consumption and living standards) and global warming (conservation, lower consumption and living standards). It is an excuse to explain why you can not have national health care, why you live in decaying cities and infrastructure so poor your bridges collapse, why some will lose their homes or never be able to own their own home, why your living standards are declining, why you will not be able to afford your kids tuition w/o you or your kid going into debt. It is an excuse to tax you and charge you usurious interest rates, to keep you focused on surviving so they can operate without interference.
Cheney is right. Money does not matter for those who can create it. It has no value except as a medium of exchange and the fact it is legal tender in the US. Other nations need it to buy oil, so it is called the petrodollar, and is the reserve currency internationally. For those oil producing countries who walk away from our petrodollar, we use gunboat diplomacy, at least we did so in the past. Today we may be moving in a different direction, and surrendering our dollar and replacing it with a newer global currency. That may be what the current manufactured crisis is about.
But the dollar of today is low, and oil prices are high, because our elite want it this way. It has zero to do with our deficits, and everything to do with globalizing the world economy and redistributing our wealth so we can be comfortably merged with the developing world. Is that a conspiracy? Yes. Those who conspire against you tell you to laugh at those who speak of conspiracies, and most mindlessly accept this Orwellian babble as truth, and laugh.
If Jesus came to us today, and said to throw the money changers out of the temple, he would be tasered, or ignored. The fact of the matter is, we can create and spend (or loan) as much debt free money as we want without inflation, so long as the money we create is put to good use, and we do not create labour shortages that drive inflation in an overheated economy (as opposed to the commodity inflation and cartel pricing practices responsible for todays inflation). Social Welfare, Infrastructure Development, Higher Education, Manhattan like Projects for Alternative Energies or Space Exploration, rebuilding factories using modern technology so we can reduce our reliance on imports made from cheap and exploited labour, etc. We are well below full employment today, so a lot could be done to remake our econmomy into a productive economy without inflation by creating our own debt free money, instead of todays economy which relies on debt to produce non-productive profits that are pocketed by the top 0.1%. Eliminate usury, and less money would need to be created.
Once you get your head around the myth of the necessity for our existing financial system and the neoliberal economics fraud, and see how they eliminated market competition and replaced it with cartels that control both wage growth and prices, while destroying the productive economy with debt and by encouraging it's export, then you will see multiple solutions to todays sad state of affairs.
History repeats with one boom bust cycle after another because it is profitable for those who control the money and determine when to boom and when to bust. Money should be created by government for the good of the country and it's productive economy, and should not be created by private bankers who create money to speculate with fictitious capital in the non-productive economy. Once upon a time the private bankers were more responsible, but then we gave the privately owned Fed a monopoly over the entire banking system in 1980 and ended competition and state usury laws.
Read the web of debt, or the creature from jekyll island, otherwise you can not make sense of what is happening today.
I had found an unusual looking $20 bill a few years back and saved it. It is a "Series of 1934 B".
Current bills have "This note is legal tender for all debts public and private." The 1934 bill has the following: "This note is legal tender for all debts public and private, and is redeemable in LAWFUL money at the United States Treasury, or at any Federal Reserve Bank."
So this is saying this bill is not lawful money? Also it does not have "In God we trust" on it either.
Health insurance is the problem, not the solution. The solution is to get rid of that parasitic condition and move to single-payer.
As for the future, the future is our children. With wars, a wrecked national image, corporate corruption in D.C., off-shoring of jobs, astounding price of college tuition, etc. what sort of future did the goddamned Baby Boomers leave the X- and Y-Generations?
A handful of people are doing this, and there are about 300,000,000 people in the US. Why can't we stop them?
Why can't we stop them ticonderoga? Because if Gobbels had had cable tee vee we'd all be dead or saying zeig heil now, that's why. Hint do a google search for Edward Bernays.
Ahhhhhhh yes, 300,000,000 million and only a few doing this? Who is asking someone with a 401k I am certain. These few hundred people doing this control the military and the police try stopping them.
IKE
Why do the terrorists only blow up buildings that contain detailed records of securities fraud?
Some of us have been trying to drive this point into the muddled heads of the feeble-minded in this country for the past 7 years... yet they kept believing that Bush was their savior and hung on his every word.
Now they are losing their homes, their farms, their cars, their jobs, and they will NEVER be able to send a child or even grandchild to college.
Instead, their chikldren and grandchildren will go to the 100 Year Crusades in Iraq and Afghanistan and perhaps never come home, or come home draped in red, white and blue.
The muddled and feeble-minded needn't accept the entire blame... Bush had plenty of help selling us down the river... people like Limbaugh, Coulter, Robertson, Hannity, O'Reilly, Kristol and Podhoretz helped sell them on the idea that "to question stupidity was to support the terrorists"!
I want to propose a situation and I am working on believing it every day myself. The General Election comes around, and just as McCain suddenly wins Florida and becomes the next GOP Nominee... It looks like the same Floridian Magic is happening. And Let's say for argument there are some questionable reports coming from Ohio on the same night. Let's say there are some other accounts in states like Nevada.
But let's go further. Let's go further and say that this country, nationwide, wakes up and realizes that it has the power to halt death, to lead this country from a pathway of bigotry and selfishness, from bombing innocent people in the name of fear and nationwide voters are turning out and making their voices heard. Lets say that state by state the change is obvious and soon Florida and Ohio don't matter anymore.
This is how we need to think. We don't need to think about what we want to win. It's not enough to turn on the tube and see your favorite celebrity president with the presidential dog spot wearing an air force one bandanna.
No this is not about winning anything this is about what we have to loose. Instead of the fear of terrorism we need to think of the fear of committing spiritual suicide if we allow our country to be run aground by war mongers. Enough is enough and war is not the answer. We don't need more death in this country. Have you noticed that Bush hasn't really acknowledged the rise in school shootings this year? Violence is escalating and the youngsters are growing up in an unfriendly world and they are hungry for answers and nobody is giving any.
So I want to propose the idea that instead of focusing on the White House or focusing on Fraud and the dirty tricks we all know and see we need to focus on the people who are going to die the folks who might be unjustly thrown in detention camps, we need to think about what is truly at stake here. A president is not the answer. But being responsible you have to dig deep and ask yourself, "Am I really proud of what my country is doing right now?" "Do the actions which are taking place in the name of the American flag make me proud to be an American?" If the answer is not 100% yes, if you have any doubts or reservations what so ever then you need to dig deep down and start asking yourself what you can do. And the #1 thing I can recommend is register to vote and vote your conscience.
11 trillion and counting? Iraq's proven oil reserves are 115 billion barrels. At $100/bbl, its only worth $11.5 trillion!
You really screwed the pooch this time, Dubya. You need to stop fooling around and go Israeli on this thing. Rename the country something like "American Iraq". Declare martial law and butcher anyone who even looks funny at an American serviceman. Next time a miltia attacks and hides in a mosque, make it a burning hole. Send the military, Blackwater and Halibburton out to the oilfields, pipelines and terminals and get that oil going.
Send it only to the US and use the proceeds to pay down the war debt. You've burned through the seed money, and its time to stop going negative on this venture, Mr. President.
Personally, I like Ron Paul's plan better. Cut our losses and just hop on the trucks and drive to Kuwait. Bankroll the Red Crescent and other relief agencies and stand aside as the Iraqis butcher each other awhile.
I possess a $1 silver certificate. Used to be, you could redeem that for $1 worth of silver. That was money.
Now we have fiat-currency, which is different. It is backed by nothing.
As my personal economic savior, the Mogambo Guru, states, no fiat-currency, fractional banking system has ever survived. They always crash.
This will be an awful year. Watch as the Dow Jones sinks, the dollar crumbles, the economy withers and yet, the need for more money for the Beast of militarism grows and grows.
bbr-001 -- Silly Wabit, trix are for world domination - not oil.
Namaste
Economic militarism is the 800 lb white elephant in the room, if you will permit the mixed metaphor. It demands to be fed so to hell with the grandkids. They can go live on Mars after the nerds terraform it.
Americans were warned of some possible risks of going into Iraq between Fall of 2002 up to March of 2003. In fact, if I remember right, more than half of the Americans inside the USA were fine about the decision to invade Iraq. Only neither I, nor some of the neo-con holy-rolling Republican Christians, for that matter, would ever predict that it would go as bad it is over in Iraq. So horrific that it is unlike what the world has ever seen before. This is one reason why the war in Iraq has lost its popularity in the USA society. One should remember that most of the more civilized, and far older societies than the USA, generally believed that going into Iraq was a bad idea. For the typical brainless ignorant neo-con holy-rolling hypocritical Christian American to tell other Americans that they were un-patriotic, and they should "love it or leave it (the USA)" for actually giving a shit about the possible consequences and financial costs for an all-out invasion of Iraq (Generally, USA citizens are FINALLY understanding there are consequences for your society if your leaders make poor choices. Wow! What a concept!) was bad enough; the methods that the neo-con Christian Americans ordered and implemented for this war is, again, unlike ever seen on planet Earth before.
What is happening in Iraq, and this article alludes to this briefly, is the slow extermination of the Iraq people and creating an unhabitable place. A place that five years most Americans did not care about. That is the History, land and people of Mesopotamia. Are Iraqis viewed as human beings to most Americans? Hell I bet most Americans teenagers are unable to find Iraq on a map, although this is the Internet age. I often wonder what those who originally were for invading Iraq, and some Americans still believe that what is happening in Iraq is morally just, have to say about themselves now.
The neo-con holy rolling Christian American chose to support an immoral hypocritical decision for reasons based on misguided revenge paranoia, greed, theft, and lies in order the complete annihilation of a society on the opposite side of the world - oh almost forgot - for Jesus Christ, God and the USA! How original...this attitude is precisely what made the Americans go along with the Iraq invasion at first. In my humble opinion, waging war on Iraq was unbridled cruelty on the citizens of Iraq. At minimum, I hope that said Americans who questioned other American patriotism at least have some resemblance of a warm heart and to apologize to the tree hugging hippies. After all, they were right and the right-wing holly rolling Christians were wrong as usual.
A few sentences ago I stated an opinion that one goal of the USA is complete and SLOW annihilation of the citizens of Iraq. It certainly appears that way. Once ALL the citizens of Iraq are completely unable to bring children into the world and eventually go extinct due to complications from radiation exposure, then the Americans can pump the oil out of Iraq. Mission accomplished USA. Might take a few years for this EVIL plan to go full circle but you as the USA society will get there as it is for the best of the USA. Who cares what other nations believe. After all, USA society have superior expertise of positive ethics from any nation on Earth. Do not forget the radiation suits when you pump that oil once all the Iraqis are dead now ya here?
Can we stop blowing up the planet for one friggin' day???!!! Sheesh.....
11 trillion and counting? Iraq's proven oil reserves are 115 billion barrels. At $100/bbl, its only worth $11.5 trillion!
Except we PAY the $11.5 trillion and the oil oligopolies GET the $11.5 trillion worth of oil. And then we PAY $11.5 trillion AGAIN for the gasoline and fuel oil. People were smarter back when P. T. Barnham was around. Back then you could only fool some of the people all of the time. Now you can fool most of the people all of the time.
Hey I know what...
Let's abolish the Fed, reneg on all our debts, nationalize the defense industry and lower draft registration to age 14...
Kind of a Insane McCain/Ron Paul ticket...
As long as we elect terminally stupid people we will have a terminally stupid society. (Oh, I'm not naive, these stupid people are venal, greedy, anti-democratic elitists---but they are still stupid).
Terminal.