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Now It Gets Dangerous for Democrats
Here is what conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh said about the prospect of a continuing contest for the Democratic presidential nomination on the eve of the Ohio primary and the Texas primacaucuses that have - with "good enough" finishes for Hillary Clinton -- assured the race will go on:
"We need Barack Obama bloodied up politically."
Limbaugh explained to fellow right-wing gabber Laura Ingraham - yes, they are now interviewing each other -- that Obama has gotten this far in his race for the presidency with most of his popular appeal intact. As such, he would be hard to beat as the Democratic nominee in a race with Republican John McCain.
"I want our party to win. I want the Democrats to lose. They're in the midst of tearing themselves apart right now. It's fascinating to watch, and it's all going to stop if Hillary loses," Limbaugh argued, as he suggested that Republicans in primary states should cross party lines to vote for Clinton.
Only by keeping Clinton in the race, Limbaugh explained, will it be possible to "sustain the soap opera" that might ultimately diminish Obama sufficiently to secure an undeserved Republican win in November. Well, the soap opera has been sustained.
With her big Ohio and Rhode Island wins and a narrow victory in Texas, Clinton can do more than just carry on. She can say, credibly, that, "We're going strong and we're going all the way."
Tuesday night belonged to Clinton, and she owned it.
As Bruce Springsteen's "The Rising" played, the senator claimed the victory she needed with the line: "Ohio has written a new chapter in the history of this campaign, and we're just getting started."
What is getting started is an edgier, rougher Democratic presidential race.
And don't think that the New York senator will pull any punches.
If the Clinton campaign has learned anything from the two-week campaign that preceded the Ohio and Texas votes, it is that Hillary Clinton will not win unless Barack Obama loses. The senator from Illinois must be damaged, badly, or so the theory goes, in order for the senator from New York to grab the Democratic nomination from his clutches.
Make no mistake: The candidate and her Clintonistas have sought to inflict that damage.
This campaign moves so fast that it is easy to forget everything that happens in a two-week timespan. But, since Clinton lost Wisconsin's February 19 primary, the hits really have kept coming. There was "Barack stole lines from Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick" hit. There was the "Barack stole a page from Karl Rove when he sent out negative mailings" hit. There was the "Barack dresses like a Muslim" hit. There was the "Barack's campaign told the Canadians one thing about trade and Ohio another thing" hit. There was the "Barack's not the guy you want answering the phone in the White House" hit. There was even the "Barack's defiling the memory of Ann Richards because she would have wanted Hillary to have a clean shot at the nomination" hit. And always, always, always, there was the steady drumbeat from candidate Clinton that: ""I have a lifetime of experience I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech (against authorizing President Bush to attack Iraq) he made in 2002."
Now, the strategy has been sufficiently-if-not-completely validated.
So Clinton will go on, and chances are that she will go on rough. Will it be enough to secure her the nomination? Clinton and her aides think so. Their calculus goes like this: Obama is really just another Democratic presidential "flash-in-the-pan" who started strong but will ultimately wear thin- like Gary Hart in 1984, like Paul Tsongas in 1992, like Howard Dean in 2004 - and Clinton can slowly but surely take advantage of uncertainty about Obama until she "closes the deal" at a convention where she arrives with momentum from late primaries and caucuses, maybe even revote victories from Michigan and Florida, and a clear advantage among super delegates.
The scenario is not a likely one. More likely is a repeat 1972, when South Dakota Senator George McGovern seemed to have the nomination secured by early spring but former Vice President Hubert Humphrey's campaign kept "raising doubts" about McGovern to the very end. The Humphrey campaign and its allies pulled no punches. They suggested, with none-too-subtle encouragement from incumbent Republican President Richard Nixon's surrogates, that a McGovern candidacy - and, presumably, a McGovern presidency -- would be all about "acid, abortion and amnesty": legalizing drugs, attacking moral values and forgiving military deserters.
Democrats did not buy it; they gave McGovern more primary wins and the nomination. But McGovern and his campaign were done severe damage. A World War II hero with a stellar Senate record on serious issues like providing food aid to the world - so stellar that Bob Dole and George Bush would ultimately celebrate his work in this particular area -- was redefined as what Republicans and their amen corner in the media now refer to as a "McGovernite."
Clinton's campaign has been given a new lease on life.
It will continue.
But she and her supporters - as well as Democrats who may still be undecided about this contest -- need to think long and hard about the kind of campaign will now run against Barack Obama. If the Clinton camp runs the right campaign on legitimate issues, and if it does so with dignity, they will not harm Democratic prospects in November - no matter who the nominee turns out to be. On the other hand, if they run wrong, and seek to destroy Obama by any means necessary, they could be responsible for two defeats: Clinton's for the nomination and Obama's for the presidency in November.
Those are the stakes as the long campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination now enters its most dangerous stage.
John Nichols' new book is The Genius of Impeachment: The Founders' Cure for Royalism. Rolling Stone's Tim Dickinson hails it as a "nervy, acerbic, passionately argued history-cum-polemic [that] combines a rich examination of the parliamentary roots and past use of the 'heroic medicine' that is impeachment with a call for Democratic leaders to 'reclaim and reuse the most vital tool handed to us by the founders for the defense of our most basic liberties.'"
Copyright © 2008 The Nation



180 Comments so far
Show AllI can't figure out what working-class voters in Ohio are thinking. If they're really sore about NAFTA, why on earth would they vote for the wife of Mr. NAFTA? Even if that bit about Obama's aide reassuring the Canadian government didn't impress me because Canada has about as high a standard of living as the US. NAFTA should have been a bilateral treaty, not including Mexico.
If Obama wants to take down Clinton in Pennsylvania, he should run lots of attack ads against her "experience", especially her failed leadership of the Health Task Force in 1993-94. Its product was too late and too complicated. And he should pigeonhole her (correctly) as the "pro-Iraq War candidate" in the race. Americans deserve the up-or-down vote on the Iraq War that Kerry denied them in 2004 with his equivocating.
Amazing as we all blather - net gain for Clinton on Obama's lead -
12 delegates.
~CURMUDGEON99~ Where do you get that opinion that I'm a neo-con troll? Do you happen to agree with the Lizard, who posted exactly as I stated. He posted 75 comments on one thread, saying global warming is a myth. I argued with him. Who's the troll here, me or you? You can't find one blog of the hundreds I ever posted supporting the Bush gang. Be specific bud, don't write crap as Rush Limbooo does.
I will vote for which ever person is the Demo candidate. We cannot have another Republican and I've posted that at least 50 times. Up your Crudungeon.
allyourbasearebelongtous March 5th, 2008 7:01 pm
you certainly are entitled to your opinion, but i was an independent who 'crossed' over to vote for a candidate who represents my interest, dennis kucinich. when i got to my caucus and saw what was going on (scores of people who were young and poor who had never voted before) i immediately realized who i was supporting this year. it isn't h clinton. it's true, i have problems voting 3rd party for president; but i have bigger problems voting for political dynasties that can't relinquish power. remember what the declaration of independence was about? also i'd be more inclined to vote bill clinton for 3rd term if he had used his time constructively after leaving office. no habitat for humanity for the clintons instead cozy relationships with the rich.
obama should put a bounty (say $250,000) on the first person who can produce a photograph of bill clinton playing with one of his younger friends. hopefully they're already on this (it certainly destroyed g hart) would she divorce bill during a contested campaign?
stay tuned................
if hillary wins its time for me to begin considering b moore and c mckinney as alternatives.
contact super delegates.......see you on the streets of denver...
congrats dennis..........peace........................................
You MAY be right as well Kem Patrick, who knows, I am just so disgusted with the Clinton/Bush/Cheney/McCain gang it is difficult to put into words. It is to bad that most people are just lemmings and don't read newspapers or watch the political shows, what may not make a difference anyway, they lie most of the time and one-sided to whoever pays them better.
all those obama supporters who have said they won't vote for hillary or even a ticket with hillary and obama -- you are not really democrats. don't even bother claiming you are or trying to justify your position. just go away and let the gop have another 4 to 8 years, destroy the planet, wreck the economy, engage in endless war. what do you care? after all, you'll be able to complain endlessly online on blogs and and in chat rooms. that seems to be what makes you happy. and before you rise to the inevitable attacks, i will vote for obama if he wins the nomination, even if he runs without hillary. i am a democrat who believes that the democratic party almost always comes closer to doing things for the average person than the gop does. and the whole "republicrat" idea -- that's just bunk from people who haven't grown up enough chronologically or otherwise to figure out how the world works and how things get done.
From the way things look now, BOTH Clinton and Obama will be on the ticket. As to who will be first and who will be second is still to be decided.
I'm still going with what I've posted since January.
Clinton will be anointed at the convention, thanks to the superduperpooperscooperdelegates (70 of whom haven't even been named, yet).
Instead of a Unity party that could hammer the Rethugs daily for 8 months, the Dems will rip their own party apart.
The general election will be as easy as ABC (anybody but Clinton) et voila! President McCain!
Obama supporters: after you get shafted, and feel humiliated and used, you are welcome to join us progressives in third-party land. You just have to get used to the blame that gets thrown at us every time the Dems lose, because it's easier for them than accepting responsibility for their actions.
COMarc - I said long ago that disappointed Democrats and bitter Republicans could meet. It must be off the left-right axis. It must be a third way, a re-framed message of progress. It could be done.
~Kathyodat~, you are absolutly correct about the Republican goals.
I posted this elsewhere earlier - seemed appropriate here as well - especially after hearing the results of the poll.
Keep an eye on whom the fascist controllers christen as his VP - that will be the one who rules, a la Cheney. McCain will just be another bumbling dunderhead talking puppet a la Bush.
Hillary will be easier for McCain to beat than Obama will. If this comes down to a superdelegate decision it will show us clearly what's more important to the dems: winning the presidency or staying in Iraq. If the superdelegates go for Hillary it means the dems are willing to take a chance on losing the presidency if it means they can stay in Iraq. If the superdelegates go for Obama it means they're willing to take a chance at having to get out of Iraq in order to win the presidency.
Personally, if I were Obama I would, assuming I got the dem nod, make a call to Al Gore and ask him to be my running mate. This would do two things: make Gore put up or shut up about his global warming and anti-Iraq war talk ("C'mon Al, do you really want to do something about global warming and get out of Iraq, like you say? If you do, the best way you can do it is by being in the White House."), and make the dems unbeatable, because Gore, with his newly acquired rock star status and his Nobel Peace prize, has millions of Americans wishing he'd run. How ironic would it be to have Gore back in the White House, without the Clintons?
But I ain't Obama. And my guess is the dems would rather lose than have to risk leaving Iraq.
I think you MAY be wrong there ~Hibiscus~. The VAST majority do not read, or even know of Common Dreams and are totally unaware of what in hell is going on. About half of the bloggers here are not American citizens, but they sure do care of what we are doing here. The demo's and independents will not vote for Hillary if she's the nominee, they will vote AGAINST McCain. So will a lot of Republicans.
P.S. The DLC sycophant pipes up again.
Kem Patrick, you are welcome to parrot the wishes of the corporate apologists currently acting as wolves in sheep's clothing to ensure that the fascist corporate state continues.
Just identify yourself as who you represent rather than trying to point fingers elsewhere - especially at persons who have actual knowledge - and are willing to listen to others and learn.
I just listened to an item on BBC.
It was a poll conducted by ? showing generic support for woman/ blacks both in Europe and the US.
Would a black/minority president be better for the US?
Europe 50% said better
US said 33% said better
Would a women president be better for the US?
Europe 60% said better
US 40% said better
Too bad Europeans can't vote Democratic.
The Repuglicans are pleased as punch at the Dem battle. They feel they can beat either handily but Clinton would be easier.
Edwards was the only Dem candidate who handily polled better than McCain.
I will be pleasantly surprised if the US is ready to have a Black or female president. This poll agrees.
The Republicans have already won...I would have voted for Clinton if she won fairly and squarly with the pledged delegates. If she wins with the delegates from Michigan, Florida and the super delegates, I will not vote for her and neither will, especially, the new, young and independent voters who are so charged with this election and the Democratic process, will be so disillusioned that they may never vote again. Unless there is a green party that can actually win. I certainly will not vote, even if we get another Bush because this democratic system is so flawed, nothing will change with Clinton in the White House if she wins, which she will not because she is not going to get the votes...She is all about ego, she and Bill want to be in the White House no matter what they have to do for it.
LIZARD, LIZARD. You sober? __ You are voting for whom?
Last week you posted you were a practicing doctor who spends eight hours a day blogging on CD, saying global warming is a farce. You were a Canadian last week.
The Medical doctor changed to a scientist and a math expert, who can prove global warming is bull shit. Now you're an American? __ LOL. ___ What's next Lizzy? My gosh you are almost as funny as Riverman.
Obama and Clinton should have no problem defeating McCain with the.... "NO PARDON FOR BUSH" platform, just like Jimmy Carter defeated Gerald Ford for having pardoned Nixon.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/05/rezko/index.html
[Disclaimer: don't know if Salon.com links work for non-subscribers.]
I'm not an Obama supporter, but Glenn Greenwald's rigorous and incisive commentary asserts that for corporate media/political opponent purposes, "Rezko" is to Obama what "Whitewater" was to the Clintons during Bill's administration; a vague guilt-by-association-and-innuendo red herring, floated with strong intimations that revelations of the target(s) heinous wrongdoing are at hand.
Remember, Captain Ahab sailed on and on and on in pursuit of the Whitewater Whale, but caught a few poor smelts, and only because they got run over by the ship.
I won't do Greenwald the injustice of copping his trenchant analysis a paraphrase at a time. He has solicited, or challenged, readers for competent evidence that there is any evidence or theory of impropriety or wrongdoing on Obama's part.
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Meanwhile, Obama would do well to paraphrase a verse from the Book of Job:
When She hath tried me, I will come forth as gold.
deutsch, there's another way of looking at this. In Ohio, a majority of Obama supporters were college educated; of Hillary supporters, a high school education. Only 24% of Ohioans have a college degree.
I have no problem with Hillary challenging Obama to answer questions, and it would be appropriate for him to face them. But I do have a problem with her pulling Willie Horton type ads, attempting to frighten voters, broadcasting untrue rumors and innuendos. Basically, throwing mud, bloodying him and giving McCain plenty of ammunition, some of which would be turned back on her as well. But she has shown more than once she shoots without thinking.
What you said about caucuses is untrue. I lived in a caucus state (Minnesota) and they were held at night (after milking time) and full of farmers and working people (didn't know any rich people in Ottertail County, MN). It's true they were held in winter, the only leisure time in a farmers' life. But from the way people dressed and their vehicles, not too much disposable income.
My friends and family members who know Republicans, many of them lifelong, rport that their Republican friends are sickened by the Bush administration and won't vote for a Republican, but are drawn to Obama's message of change and inclusiveness. That's not Hillary's message. Hers is take no prisoners. And she's made it clear she's willing to take the Democratic party down with her. Either that or she has no idea of the damage she's wreaking. Either way, she's unfit for leadership. From what I hear about the dysfunctions in her campaign, I'd hate to see her in the White House.
People talk about how inept the Bush administration has been. They haven't been, they've been remarkably efficient towrad their goals. People just misunderstand their goals. They don't give a damn about people surviving Katrina, or rebuilding New Orleans, or protecting our soldiers in Iraq, or safegurading American jobs. Those aren't their goals. ExxonMobil has been making record-breaking profits, so has Halliburton, the rich are getting richer, we're still mired in Iraq, those are their goals.
kathyodat
A simple solution to all the democrats tearing into each other (on issues of no substance).
Vote Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney.
There is a choice that you could support.
CoMark: Americans are not against the war, we are against losing and we thought we were losing. Now we think we can win. McCain is the likely next president. There is much to come, including belligerent actions that will fire up the people. Americans are too in love with war for McCain not to win.
We need changes in the way our presidential candidates campaign for office. Using Rovian tactics to discredit one's opponent is demeaning to both candidates, and to us as the voters. This is a classic technique used by Republicans and it does not serve our country well. Obama is the candidate for change and this is something that definitely needs changing.
I determined that when Bush took us to war I would never vote for anyone who voted with him to take us to a war based on fear and lies. Clinton voted for war and then for all the supplemental spending bills to finance it. She has never given an apology for her lack of judgment in doing so. Last year she voted to designate Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards a foreign terrorist organization -- the only Democratic presidential contender to do so -- which would give the war-mongers a green light to manufacture some "Gulf of Tonkin" type of excuse to invade Iran. Is this what Clinton is referring to when she speaks of being able to be commander-in-chief on day one?
I have long felt the Republicans are salivating at the prospect she might be their Democratic opponent for the presidency.
If Clinton wins, so does McCain. I will vote for Nader. Many others will simply not vote. Let's go! It's The New American Century. Let's kill some more!
chrism, thanks for posting re the LA Times article "Stuck with a candidate nobody likes..." love it.
I'm reading that Hillary might have gained 4 delegates when all is said and done and that Obama won the most delegates in Texas.
But we all know that Hillary will keep claiming Texas a victory. I'm surprised she's not adding HIS states into her string of successes.
Re Canada NAFTA smear, Reuters is reporting that the Canadian government is going to investigate to find out who was responsible http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0562494220080305?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true
Cynthia McKinney is SO yummy.
We've simply got to find a way to stop Hillary. She wants the nomination so badly that she seems willing to do anything to get it, including real harm to Obama if he wins it. I have known all along that she has no morality, but it hurts to see that at work against the best presidential candidate we have had in many decades.
In the middle of all this frantic, no-holds-barred electioneering, I wonder do Americans know the meaning of their Manifest Destiny? I've just done a post on it and it doesn't make for pleasant reading.
America's Manifest Destiny, sadly, has become a farce. We have two Democs tearing each other to pieces while the Repubs smile from the sidelines and we have Israel committing a holocaust in Gaza while America smiles from the sidelines.
And this is democracy?
www.dangerouscreation.com
I just saw CNN discussing the delegate/popular disparity... They panned rooms full of African American people caucussing, using words like "confusion" and "dominated." Then they flashed to white people, standing in lines in front of ballot boxes with the words "had to come back and vote AGAIN, for it to count."
It's non stop.
I think the award should go to whoever it was in the Clinton campaign that retouched film of Obama for one of their smear ads... to make his skin darker, and his nose broader.
Man, that takes the cake.
It is not so much Hillary who is the cross-over candidate but Obama who has received the open primary votes of so many Republicans and Independents because of their simple irrational hatred of the Clintons, who put them in the political wilderness for 8 years.
All the charges made in the last several days by Hillary vs. Obama were genuine problems that any voter should have with Obama. She could have also included Obama's flagrant use of Rezko (democratic fundraising bundler and slum lord). With Rezko's help he got a million dollar plus mansion and land in Chicago on the cheap. We have not heard the last of this relationship.
Also Nichols' comparison of Obama with McGovern's candidacy in '72 is inappropriate. McGovern had a distinguished senatorial career.
Lastly, to those beating up on Hillary, please remember that the many of Obama's pledged delegates came from caucus states (e.g. Washington, Idaho, Colorado, Kansas, Maine) where average Democratic voter turnout was less than 10%.) And we know who comes out to caucuses: those with leisure time and disposable income-certainly not the bulk of the American working class.
Using questionable allegations of favoritism for Obama as a springboard, the Corporate Media dedicated every day and every minute since the last debate... to hammering Obama. He's been "deanscreamed" and "moonbeamed," as if he were some kind of threat to the establishment. Maybe they know something I don't.
They must feel very powerful right now. The problem is the editorial influence of War Profiteers, Megapharms, Energy Transnationals and the like, over the Corporate Media.
It is SO PATHETIC, that so many people STILL think they get "News" when they turn on their televisions.
Obama doesn't profer much in the way of change... he was just the LAST perceived hope of the majority of Americans that are pissed off about Iraq... that WANT change. You'd think they would notice that they've been marginalized and falsely portrayed as a shrill, radical minority in their own media.
We need to talk to our neighbors.
Kucinich is the creative, original show. Obama became Part II, the sequel. Now we have Clinton posturing as our Peace Candidate. She's the moral equivelent of Halloween III.
Hillary is just another slimeball politician... she'll say and do anything to win votes.... Obama isn't much better... at least he's *trying* to stay clean so far, but I wouldn't count on that for much longer. When you hear Hillary being endorsed by the Rabid Right, that should send the warning bells off... she's one of them... just incognito.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5540
I assume I don't need to point out which company's h.q. is in Ohio and whose "home" state Texas is.
Remember the fund raisers given by Rupert Murdoch for Hillary Clinton? There was a recent post showing their two smiling faces together and one of these get togethers. This is not just some symbolic thing, since Murdoch (along with Rove)is one of he great threats to our country.
Governors of Florida and Michigan want their delegates seated at the Democratic convention. If they had followed the rules they would not have a problem. The governor of Florida was ranting about the "will of the people". Please, follow the rules or face the consequences. If you want to have another primary, clear it with the rules people and get on with it. You were told not to advance your primary dates and you did it anyway...live with it and quit complaining.
On the bankruptcy bill, of critical importance to Americans with devastating medical expenses under threat of hospitals taking their homes (I was in that position), Obama voted Nay and Clinton ducked (not voting). It passed. Not one Republican voted against it, and only 25 Democrats did. Clinton was the only senator who didn't vote. The bill includes numerous protections for corporations, and even for rich Americans, but not for working people. DailyKos has a good review of the rejected provisions that would have helped vulnerable populations, such as elderly and troops in Iraq and which Democrats reliably sided with the Republicans on them. Follow the money. And throw the bums out.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/6/63144/06015
kathyodat
Despite the low markings for the GOP on every issue other than "defense" and "security" where rhetoric reigns supreme (since there can never be enough of either by definition), they stand to recapture the White House once more since, at HRC's instigation, the moderate/conservative Democrats have torn themselves wide open on the hidden question of accommodating their own left wing. When victory eludes the Democratic Party, they will kick their sullen left/progressive hostages and blame them for the loss, as always.
if the discourse becomes more raucous, so be it, hillary's husband and child are both intricately tied with their corporate contributers and as such are legitimate targets for criticism. obama should take off the gloves and tell america what they already suspect.
1. bill - lobbyist for corporate clients who works with
dictators.
2. chelsea - has accepted 6 figure salary, w/out requisite
experience, from former clinton campaign contributers.
3. reason why clinton hasn't released tax returns.
4. reason why hillary hasn't refused pac $$$.
it is bizarre that the media spends such an inordinate amount of time focusing on michelle obama's comments about feeling proud about her husband at a campaign rally. where were the critical comments about chelsea and bill ? both are actually pulling down lots of money from clinton contributers.
obama is in a quandary, if he accurately points out who controls the clintons, he risks alienating himself from the democratic beneficiaries of that money (DLC). but i believe that's how he should approach it. he should immediately create a new 'clean up washington' campaign, finance/campaign oversight/election reform (irv). obama needs to tack to the left of clinton and mccain. if he uses campaign reform/clinton's are corrupt as an approach, he'll take an argument from mccain (mccain-fiengold) and he'll be able to use the same argument eloquently against mccain (who also has issues w/ sketchy relationships to lobbyist.) obama needs to continue the insurgent campaign (as reagan did for the repubs in 1980). diminish the power of the dlc (obama has some credibility here b/c like dean, most of his money has been generated form small donor/citizens - he can pitch an alternative to the dnc).under no circumstances should obama tie himself to the ticket w/ clinton.
where is al gore, jimmy carter and john edwards????
phase 1 (voter participation) of the campaign is over, phase 2 (dem elites choosing our next leader) began yesterday. now is the time for us to send nice long laundry lists of grievances about the clintons to the superdelegates. on my little list
- the clintons are attempting to violate the intent of the 22nd amendment
- clintons supported war authorization resolution/ kerry would have won if he didn't sign it - dems won in 2006 over iraq.
- clintons convey a legitimate message of corruption to the voters
- the superdelegates need to be reminded of the dem parties own misgivings about feeling the election was stolen from them by the supreme court. to say this would be ironic to dem voters is more than an understatement.
the clintons are going to bring up rezco bigtime, but obama/rezco pales in comparison to the corporate hacks the clintons sleep with, the superdelegates need to be reminded that the candidate who is the most polarizing in the general -corrupt clintons- will diminish their chances of winning contested congressional seats.
contact superdelegates by phone and email.
a complete list of superdelegates and overview of what's transpiring in denver.
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/
see you on the streets of denver.....congrats dennis........
........peace............
This is how I see it turning out, unless some drastic things occur. Hillary will win Pennsylvania and a few other states. She will "boast" that she has won NY, NJ, PA, Ohio, Texas, Ark, Okla, Mich, Fla, Arizona and California and some other smaller states.
She won ALL of the major populated states and will therefore recieve most of the super delgates. She will most likely be the Demo's nominee whether we like it or not. We can blog our fingers to the bone and that won't change a single thing. Her campaign stopped Obama's momentum and unless he gains that back he will lose. Already the corrupt TV pundents are sneaking onto her bandwagon.
As for the general, our 38 year old dog catcher named Sally Dufus Dimwit, or 38 Douuble D we call her, could probably beat McCain in the General. The Republicans aren't going to vote in large enough numbers to beat ANY Dufus, including Hillary. Now if McCain picks Huckster- bury as his running mate, that will bring out scads of bright eyed Bible thumpers. If Hillry and Obama have a blood bath, ___ McCain may win.
As to my comment of just telling the truth and proving it, that has already worked once for Obama big time, and it backfired on Hillary and she ended up losing South Carolina etc, because of dirty tactics. I uderstand dirty politics can hurt another candidate, it works both ways is what I meant.
Part of what fuels the nastiness is this bizarre winner-take-all emotional pitch, when in reality it's a numbers game. If you take the straight vote in Texas, Obama received three delegates less than Clinton, and made up those three delegates in Vermont. The reality is so much more pedestrian than the enormous hype and spin. Hillary is triumphant, implying that she has been totally vindicated and people have roared back onto her side. All of this is bizarre to me, as they are both pretty evenly split. Hillary was able to stop the speedy erosion of her support in those four states long enough to do well in the voting, which is about all you can say about yesterday.
It's over, folks, now that McCain has the blessing of the president and the Democrats have shown themselves to be shallow and lacking in substance.
Remember when Bill Clinton took office in '93? The Democrats controlled the Presidency, both houses of Congress, most of the state legislatures and most of the governorships. When he left office they controlled NONE of those things.
What Bill started in '93 Hillary will finish in '08: The complete and utter destruction of the Democratic Party.It will go the way of the Federalists and the Whigs, into the dustbin of history.
Since the Democratic Party has become the place where reform goes to die this would be a good thing. We should begin now in organizing what we will replace it with. We can start by electing Cindy Sheehan to Congress.
Never has a political party been handed so much ammunition by the opposition. The Dems aren't just going to shoot themselves in the foot with it this time. Between now and November it will be interesting to see how they manage to drop a match into the powder magazine and blow themselves to bits!
No Kernal, the idea is to quit voting for liars that are playing us for fools.
The Dems have a twenty year record of sucking up to corporate power at every opportunity. Everything they say in their campaigns is a carefully crafted lie.
No matter what they say, when they get into office, the Dems will continue to ... support the war, support bloated pentagon budgets, support government spying on its citizens, support trade deals that send out jobs overseas, support any bill like the Bankruptcy bill or last years bill protecting pharma profits by blocking overseas competition.
They are lying to us and playing us for fools. Once they get elected, they always leave the fools that vote Dem scratching their heads about 'they did what?' How many ACTIONS do people have to see from the Dems to figure this out? Even as we speak, they are passing a 'compromise' that gives the government much bigger powers to spy on us and that also gives immunity to those who've already broken the law.
How many times do they have to do stuff like that before people realize that voting Dem is useless. They are a fake, pretend opposition that reveals its phony nature by never opposing anything.
Their campaigns are all based on painting the opponents as the boogey-man. We've heard it for years about Bush, even though everyone's always known Bush was just a front-man or a puppet. But the Dems will constantly try to lie to you and make it sound like its all Bush's fault and we just need to replace Bush with an Obamillary and suddenly everything will be wonderful in the Land of Oz again. Now its all McCain, McCain is so awful he must be stopped, the fate of the world depends on having someone with a (D) after their name get elected.
But its all BS. They get their money from the same class of American society, and they don't give a damn about us. They'll tax us, they'll send our jobs overseas and they'll send our kids off to die in a war. They don't give a damn.
If you keep voting Dem, you get the same-old, same-old that you've been getting for the last 20 years.
What has this Dem Congress really done to oppose or stop Bush on anything? Anything? 41 Senators can filibuster and stop anything. Budgets, appointments, laws, anything. What have the Dems actually stood up and opposed and stopped. Nothing!
So, sure, you can follow the Dem BS one more time and elect Obamillary and then seem shocked and confused about what they do once they are elected. But by this time with the record they've established, you've only got yourself to blame because you should know better by now.
Face it, McCain is losing no matter if its Hillary or Obama. That their entire worthless stupid primary campaign is based on BS like this is a clear sign of just how badly you are being manipulated and lied to.
Watch the corporate money. It always backs the winner. In 2000, it flowed to Bush. This time, its flowing to the Dems. Remember the McCain campaign being out of money because they weren't meeting their fundraising targets? That's because the corporate money has moved to the Dems. These days, its mostly moving to Obama. Obama isn't worried about no $50 donations. The big bucks are flowing to his campaign from places like Wall St.
This constant BS about how McCain will win if the Dems nominate Obama or Hillary or even if they just keep campaigning is all just more BS to con everyone.
McCain is toast. He'll do good to get 45% of the vote this time. He'll get Republican die-hards, but that's it. He's tied himself to an unpopular war and its going to sink his campaign like a boat anchor.
anne faith,
You wrote:
One remote possibility (laugh if y'all want to) is that this goes to convention (because Clinton refuses to quit), neither Clinton nor Obama gets enough votes, and Al Gore is drafted on the convention floor as the nominee around whom the party can rally. (Something similar happened in 1924.) I doubt this would happen, but the recipe is ripe for a draft-Gore-on-the-floor movement.
I had the same thought, but I just cannot see it happening. Hillary's supporters would whine endlessly, and the corporate media would be on their side.
Betsy, your post reminded me, Did anyone happen to catch the journalist that actually asked Penn or Wolfson to cite and example of Hillary's foreign policy experience and there was dead silence? Finally they launched into a filibuster and never gave an example. Imagine that being broadcast in an endless loop!
"We need an Antiwar Democratic Party"
This is an oxymoron.
chrism, thanks for the link. The author got it exactly right. If something doesn't happen fast, the damage Hillary is doing will become irreparable. I can't believe the weapons she's handing to McCain. I realize it's part of her game plan, she wants to hand to the super delegates an unelectable Obama, but what if that doesn't work? No plan B - that's part of what is wrong with her. Now I read that Obama will get more critical. He really has no choice if he wants to stay in the campaign. He tried to run a positive campaign, but since Hillary was losing that kind of campaign, she started throwing mud. Why would anyone want someone like that for president? Unless they themselves would resort to throwing mud to win?
kathyodat
Sen. Hillary Clinton has declined to return $170,000 in campaign contributions from individuals at a company accused of widespread sexual harassment, and whose CEO is a disbarred lawyer with a criminal record, federal campaign records show.
The federal government has accused the Illinois management consulting firm, International Profit Associates, or IPA, of a brazen pattern of sexual harassment including "sexual assaults," "degrading anti-female language" and "obscene suggestions."
In a 2001 lawsuit full of lurid details, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission claims that 103 women employees at IPA were victimized for years. The civil case is ongoing, and IPA vigorously denies the allegations.
"This is by far, hands down, the worst case I've ever experienced," said Diane Smason, one of the EEOC lawyers handling the lawsuit. "Every woman there experienced sex harassment, they were part of a hostile work environment of sex harassment. And this occurred from the top down."
Sen. Clinton's spokesman, Howard Wolfson, told NBC News in a statement that the senator decided to keep the funds because the lawsuit is "ongoing" and because none of the sexual harassment allegations has been proven in court.
"With regard to the pending harassment suit, as a general matter, the campaign assesses findings of fact in deciding whether to return contributions," Wolfson said.
From NBC's Lisa Myers and Jim Popkin
Also:
Right Wing Canadian Prime Minister Tied to Leak Slurring Obama
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_rob_kall_080304_oen_nails_right_wing.htm
When will someone (please!) go after the "experience" shtick? WHAT experience, especially in foreign policy? Going off on First Lady trips? smiling at heads of state during White House dinners? Voting without reading the d**n NIE???? She's being much too vague, accusing him of having none but never spelling out what she does have. OK, she's been in the Senate longer than he has, but just being there doesn't mean you did anything significant. There needs to be some serious fact-checking here, not nasty, just factual.