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$4 Gasoline? It's News to Bush
When asked about the possibility of the price going that high, president says, 'That's interesting, I hadn't heard that.' He also says a tax hike on oil companies would drive the price up further.
WASHINGTON - The prospect of sharply higher fuel prices, including $4-a-gallon gasoline, may not have made it into Oval Office briefing books, perhaps explaining why President Bush was surprised Thursday when a reporter mentioned what energy analysts are saying could happen soon in many parts of the country."Wait, what did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gasoline?" Bush responded to a reporter who said some analysts expect prices to soon climb that high. "That's interesting. I hadn't heard that. . . . I know it's high now."
The price of oil set another record Thursday, jumping $2.95 to close at $102.59 a barrel in New York futures trading.
But even before the recent surge in oil prices, analysts were predicting that the average price of a gallon of gasoline could reach $3.75 nationwide in the near term and top $4 in states such as California and Hawaii.
Bush's acknowledged unfamiliarity with the recent cost of gasoline produced some fumes at the pump.
At a Shell service station in the Bay Area city of San Mateo, the price of a gallon of regular had already reached $4.29, well above the state average of $3.42, as measured by the AAA auto club.
"Bush is out of touch with a lot of things we are facing today," said 33-year-old Marisa Cajbon, who was filling her Toyota Sequoia SUV with the expensive fuel. "I have to buy gas. I need to work. I have two kids. I think it's unfortunate. I think it's a crime."
Not surprisingly in a presidential election year, Bush's remark provoked comparisons to his father, George H. W. Bush, who took a serious political hit in 1992 after appearing to be out of touch with Americans' everyday lives.
The current occupant of the White House isn't seeking reelection, but Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama immediately seized on the gasoline issue, accusing the younger Bush of failing to understand the hardships ordinary Americans are facing as prices rise and the economy falters.
"When I hear George Bush say that he doesn't think we're in a recession, when somebody tells him that, you know, gasoline prices might reach $4 a gallon and he says, 'That's interesting. I didn't know that'. . . . That's a sign we have a Washington that is out of touch," the senator from Illinois said to cheers and laughter from a crowd of about 2,000 at a campaign stop in Beaumont, Texas.
Obama's rival for the nomination, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, expressed concern about fuel costs during a visit with two families in Pomeroy, Ohio. "We need to give more authority to the government to go after these oil companies to ask the hard questions," she said.
During a White House news conference, Bush tried to put the best spin on months of bleak economic news. "I don't think we're headed to a recession, but no question we're in a slowdown," Bush said.
In his second day of congressional testimony, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke repeated his warning that the U.S. economy faces a triple threat of declining growth, recurring credit crunches and rising inflation. But in contrast to his assessment Wednesday, the central bank chief shared a note of optimism on the nation's odds of dodging the worst of the problems.
Bernanke told the Senate Banking Committee that he didn't see much danger of so-called stagflation, the combination of falling growth and rising prices that ravaged the economy three decades ago.
"I don't think we're anywhere near the situation that prevailed in the 1970s," Bernanke said.
However, he acknowledged that higher food and fuel prices were creating "inflationary stress" that could make it tougher for the Federal Reserve to keep the economy out of recession by cutting interest rates.
Bernanke's testimony came as the Commerce Department reported that the gross domestic product, the broadest gauge of the nation's output of goods and services, grew at a weak 0.63% rate in the fourth quarter of last year. Economists had hoped that the GDP number, which the government had estimated at 0.6%, would be revised substantially upward.
Bush said he understood that uncertainty about the economy was hard on American consumers. But he said the answer was for Congress to make the tax cuts he pushed through in his first term permanent. Many lawmakers have balked, arguing that those reductions have led to a dangerously large federal budget deficit.
"If you're out there wondering . . . what your life is going to be like and you're looking at $4 a gallon, that's uncertain," Bush said. "And when you couple with the idea that taxes may be going up in a couple of years, that's double uncertainty."
The average U.S. pump price was $3.16 a gallon Thursday, according to AAA, but higher in many regional markets.
Roy Persinco, who filled up his Ford 250 pickup truck for $3.25 a gallon at a Santa Monica Shell station Thursday, said he spent $125 a week on gas.
"I can't believe that an ex-oilman could be so unaware and ignorant of what is going on around him in the real world, but I'm sure his old buddies in the oil industry can tell him they're doing just fine," Persinco said.
Another motorist, Grant Reese of West Los Angeles, volunteered to help the president keep in touch during his remaining days in office, lest he be caught off guard by the Washington press corps again.
"I'd be happy to send him all my credit card receipts for gasoline from now on," Reese said, watching the pump top $40 as he filled the tank of his Nissan Altima at a Sam's Club station in Long Beach.
Energy analysts have offered motorists little solace, saying that the rules of supply and demand for gasoline and other fuels are apparently being overridden, and commodity prices are continuing their run.
The Energy Department's most recent weekly petroleum report said gasoline inventories were more than 8% above their five-year average. Gasoline demand is about 1% shy of its level of a year ago.
Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst for the Oil Price Information Service in New Jersey, said the situation was likely to get worse. He expects retail gasoline prices to hit record highs between $3.50 and $3.75 a gallon nationally and that $4 gasoline in California won't be considered a rogue price.
"I can't see [the average] hitting $4, but then I also couldn't see oil hitting $103 a barrel," he said.
Reynolds reported from Washington, Quinn from San Mateo, Calif., and White from Los Angeles. Times staff writers Peter G. Gosselin in Washington, Mark Z. Barabak in Beaumont, Texas, and Scott Wilson in Los Angeles contributed to this report.
© 2008 The Los Angeles Times
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Show AllThe clueless Bastard of a president is really living on Mars!
Why the surprise? Didn't bush expect his armies to be welcomed into Baghdad with flowers? He didn't expect anyone to attack america on 9/11, he didn't expect that a hurracane could do such damage to New Orleans, he doesn't expect the crashing of the banking sector and housing market to cause a recession.
The man seems to try to project the image of being newborn each day.
Maybe the world has simply misunderestimated Prince Pissy Pants.
Remember Poppy Bush, after he lost his last election in part for looking at his watch during a debate and wishing "this democracy crap" was over? He went into a Maine convenience store and started complaining about the price of milk. "Where the fuck have you been?" was the national reply....
Washington is clueless of the real world because the residents of our government offices don't pay for their utilities and daily expenses. We the people are paying for it.
The only winners in the $4 price tag is the oil oligarchs. Watch for Exxon Mobil to top $15 Billion in the first quarter this year. They claim that the demand is high because people are not driving less. This shows their clueless attitude as the majority of the US folks have NO OTHER MEANS OF GETTING FROM POINT A TO B. These same oligarchs were busy running negative ads all over the major cities in the US when there is a proposal for new mass rapid transports and such.
The oil oligarchs are the 21st century robber barons...
yet another bush bankrupt$y in the making?
Just curious, do you think cheney gives bush any real information or purposely keeps him in the dark, away from TVs and papers? I once heard people say that bush is smarter than most of us think -- he's just playing dumb. If you watch any news conference when he's done reading from cheney's script, anyone can tell the guy is not just playing dumb. He's an absolute embarrassment to this country.
What is more of an embarrassment is all the dumbed down Americans that voted him into office not once but twice! And even if he stole the elections, there are still millions of dum dums and elite with vested interests that voted for him.
However Maria doesn't have to have a SUV...If you're worried about gas prices trade it in for a fuel efficient small car, ride a bike, walk...now there's a concept, car pool... Stop driving except when it is absolutely necessary.
I like the caption under the image..."Nobody's Fool..."
Yeah-sure ...
Wanna tell me again how the monkey evolved into a human? This is indisputable evidence of the stupidity and regression of mankind.
Is the Chimp constipated? It looked like he did a do-it-yourself home hair dye job with parts of his hair around the neckline looking darker. Was he drunk when he did it?
He said something to the effect that he wants us to be able to "put money on the table." Not in our wallets but on the table. I thought food was supposed to be on the table. Seeing him and hearing him talk always provides a laugh. Hopefully our next president will do more than that.
The price of gasoline won't be high enough until it actually starts to affect the habits of the people. $4.00 gallon gasoline probably won't change anything. As much as we would like to, we can't blame idiot Bush for all the moronic choices we make as individuals. Bush and the guys that complain about the cost of filling the SUV are living in the same filthy camp; Camp delusional. But, but, but, we deserve and earned our comfort and speed....
Oh, sure, the value of a dollar is going to keep plummeting until it's only worth 1/4 gallon of gas. And it will keep on plummeting. Some progressives would really like conservatives to hear what Nader has to say. And I would really like more progressives to hear what Ron Paul has to say. You may think capitalism sucks, but that won't help you as the printing presses whip up currency on an upward parabolic trajectory, driving it's purchasing power to zero. Folks complain about "tax and spend" policies - try complaining about "counterfeit and waste" policies. There's lots of stuff that needs to be addressed, but everyone, except Ron Paul, pretends that this elephant in the room simply isn't there.
"He said something to the effect that he wants us to be able to 'put money on the table.' Not in our wallets but on the table. I thought food was supposed to be on the table."
No, food goes on your family, not on the table.
But don't get too mad at the oil companies. If you want to identify the problem, look in the mirror.
Move closer to work! Ride a bike or walk! Grow your own food! Starve the beast!
Obama has the right idea.
Serve Bush and all his cohorts and hangers on with daily doses of ridicule.
It may not be the world's most powerful weapon, but then again it may be.
High gasoline prices are only one factor in the ongoing energy squeeze. This recent online paper about the Energy Return on Energy Invested (EROI) for Canadian NatGas is quite important and under the radar as usual, http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3673 Be sure to read the long commentary discussion as it's as important as the article itself.
There's also a very good paper, and discussion, revisiting the Olduvai Gorge Theory, http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/3565
Last year while traveling I observed $4 gas in several remote locations--Death Valley National Park and at a small community just west of Yosemite.
The demand picture for gasoline is seasonal and continues to trend upward Y/Y, as the graph below this table shows, http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/twip/twip_gasoline.html#demand
The Corporate Media Complex is doing all it can to hide the overall severity of the coming crisis so that BAU can continue. The two best sites I've found as fundamental informatione nodes are theoildrum.com and energybulletin.net and they link to many others.
Tip of the iceburg, and our ship is full speed ahead, straight towards that huge hunk of ice. The depression is dead ahead and if you don't wish to believe it,___ don't.
Jan Steinman -- Absolutely, the best short "taker" on Geo the inferior, Andy Dick is priceless as the official "Prez speachalist" -- I love the 'food on the people' and putting dreams onto one's wings.
People across this great country so love this type of thing, that we continually recreate it -- and out pop the bestiest bu$hyne ever brewed anywhere under or over the moon-like thing down yar.
"And we're going to be buillean'n gallins mucho refindme-eries to sure'up the leveries and flood the table with more fish."
This there countifying is pleasantizing with well rode and SUV'ish people, oo'd lite the moon'shyne of'a my nook_Q_lar Bb-B-Q
We've all got just the prez'dented we dizzy'sir
Yes and watch...Roger Clemens will be investigated by the DOJ for perjury about his steroid use and the oil company execs that lied to Congress about the Cheney energy bill once again get a free pass!
The stupid sonovabitch has no business STILL being in the White House! He has about as much knowledge about "real" Americans as do the Aborigines in the outback.
Hey Texas!!! Why don't you came and take this M$%^&^* F%&* back to his ward???!!!
I recognize the expression on George W's face. He has gas.
Lucky stiff.
Hehe- hey republinazi amerikkaners, that's YOUR bush!
oil is sold in euros now and clueless bush has known that for a long time now. Do you think he cares about the average american? He could care less if you are half dead and need medical attention and have no insurance just ask any of the 70 million americans who are in that position
Gas purchase has gone down 5% in So. Florida. People are trying to conserve. So how can demand be up? How can they claim that it is demand that is causing record breaking profits? I think that shows we are being gouged!
$4/gallon is unimpressive. Americans are still finding diversion in the Hillary vs. Obama charade.
But I subscribe to a market letter that predicts $9 gasoline. Maybe $9 will make an impression. Maybe $9 will give Americans something to ponder besides gay marriage and 'support the troops.'
Well ~Nader4prez~, the oil companies hired economists, have their private "theory of economics" concerning the supply and demand theory.___ Here it is.
"If demand goes up __ the price goes up.___ If demand goes down, __the price goes up."
That's actually a very good economic principal and a proven economic theory, for it maintains annual billion dollar profits.
Nader4prez--did you click on the link I posted for gasoline demand? Did you see that demand is seasonal? Do you understand that the USA isn't the only user of oil? Did you know Chindia's growth rate is over 10% Y/Y and that their demand growth is similar? Did you know that C+C (Crude plus Condensate) peaked in 2005 while global demand has surged? Did you know that so-called Big Oil (IOCs like EOM and Chevron/Texeco) did NOT replace 100% of their reserves last year through new exploration?
Now, I'm not defending the IOCs, but as I've said many times in posts on this subject, it's VITAL that folks LEARN as much as they can about energy supplies, for our Comfort Culture--including the internet--wouldn't exist.
Bush's father was fascinated with a scanner in a super market; was not aware such things existed. Warren Buffet predicted four dollars a gallon some months ago. If the war monger John MCain is elected, we will probably start hearing about $5.00 a gallon gas. McCain is undoubtedly going to push Columbia to allow contras to attack 'Venezuela, a la Reagan's use of Hounduras to carry out a proxy war against Nicaragua. Iran, too, is going to be a target of McCain. These clowns do not recognize that when they make threats, the price of petroleum goes up. When Bush invaded Iraq, the price of petroleum was $23.11 a barrel. Despite the fact that Obama or Hillary are very great candidates, we had better make sure that we all get out as many people as possible in November.
The depression will put an end to these discussions. $4 or $9 a gallon for gasoline will not be an issue then. Any available food will be.
With all the stag-flation that we're not having (Bushspeak) all I can afford to do is to stay home and starve. Why is that?
Our corporations are getting filthy rich serving SOS to our school kids and those not minding the store get paid vacations.
Union officials say the US Department of Agriculture has placed three employees on paid leave of absence amid the agency's investigation of the largest meat recall in US history.
Hi Ghawar--The price you posted is about that of Europe and shows just how wasteful the USE is when it comes to transport fuels. Did you read Matt Simmons's book that relates to your handle?
KEM--Too bad the price and demand graphs at the links I posted disprove your attempt at humor. Unlike Europe and much of the rest of the world, the USE is NOT prepared for the coming energy squeeze; it's a very serious problem without any easy solutions.
i propose what i think mahatma ghandi might call simple justice (actually revenge): starting january 21, 2009, bush has to take off his shoes and be wanded before entering any motorized conveyance for the rest of his life. at random intervals, let him be strip searched. see how long he lasts before he decides to go for security instead of intimidation for travellers.
(i realize this is about bush's lack of familiarity with how the "simple folk" live.) (in camelot, they simply make a law that there will be no more war.)
Bush finds $4 gasoline interesting? Hmmm...maybe he's got a plan for designing a very efficient car?
Can you imagine driving the Bushmobile? Imagine a car that just couldn't hold the road, a car that, no matter how you struggled to maintain control of it, kept heading for the ditches and running into trees—and that was IF it worked at all between long stints in detox.
Our Robber Baron in Chief feigns clueless again.
The bastard never went a day in his life with a doubt about how to pay tomorrows bills. He can suck my #$@#*(^@#$%^!!@#.
The last time Bush actually paid to fill up his pick-up out of his own pocket, gas was 50 cents a gallon.
He needs to stop reading the sunday comics during the week and focus on the real news - news that's affecting the "Have Nots." He is so out of touch with reality of what is really going on around him - pathetic!
Why do they quote one person with an SUV and another with a pickup? Please check the loan documents and the bill of sale for those vehicles and show me where you find the guarantee of $1.39 gas forever and ever. Bush is clueless but so are people that don't realize that this dependence on oil must start to diminish.
After recently slowing down traffic by driving only 65 in a 55 zone, its obvious the market isn't reacting to $3.15/gallon gasoline. Not to mention all the weaving, passing on the right, passing in the merge lane, slamming the brakes and flooring it I saw.
Well the new GM hybrid trucks get 50% better city mileage! Is that 15 vs 10 mpg, 18 vs 12? Whatever. It will help a little.
One has to wonder what most families will end up "giving up", in our massively propagandized material world.
The lady with the SUV and 2 kids might eventually consider trading in for something light weight and low mileage, but more likely she'll cut other non-essentials out of the budget, like volunteering for the PTA, or sending contributions to worthy organizations.
The face lock that this multi-legged materialistic "alien planting its seed into my stomach" is providing us -- is more than just suffocating -- it's going to come ripping out of our guts soon.
Namaste
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Check some of the financial pages, speculative dealing in oil futures has taken the price of oil out of the realm of supply and demand almost completely.
The English language is news to Bush. Are you surprised?
From the 'school of hard knocks' I learned long ago never to argue with fools or idiots, so I'll likely never have one with Bush. He's as out of touch with the people (and reality) he reminds me of a past president, when visiting a grocery store, wasn't aware of bar code scanners, despite the fact they were in use in almost all grocery stores & more. What planet are these people from?
I gained a bit of hope when I saw a pundit (or person in congress; can't remember) come right out and suggest Bush should READ THE DAMNED PAPER once in awhile. Truer words never spoken, but it's a shame it took so long for me to hear someone say it outright on the TV. It also amazes me someone would glory in, even brag about, being a completely ignorant buffoon, especially in a position so vital to the needs of literally hundreds of millions of people. Maybe his trip to read "My Pet Goat" was actually a remedial reading class, and the reason he sat like a bump on a log for 7 minutes after the news of airplane strikes is his teacher hadn't dismissed the class yet. ;=)
Good one Paul, LOL. Except actually I guess it really isn't all that funny. It's tragic to honestly realize, we have a fool for our president.
Of course even if he stole it in Florida, or Ohio, or both, he still garnered enough votes from other fooled fools, to allow that to be the end result.
BBB, you'll be standing in a line tens (hundreds) of millions long waiting for the hangman's privilege.
Remember, Bush and his entire family are what? OILMEN.
Do you HONESTLY believe that he just woke up this morning, and the dynamics of the oil market just suddenly dawned on him?
Please. He is counting on you thinking he is that stupid. If you believe that he just suddenly realized that the price of gas would be what it was, and that it was either suprising or "interesting" to him, then you are buying what he's selling.
On some things he's totally clueless, that's for sure. But when it comes to his family's fortune, don't bet on it for a second.
Even fools can be sly.
Surrender...I assure you that this Texan would like nothing
better unless we could carry him some place else, like Iraq
for instance, armed with a BB gun. What amazes me is that
30 percent of Americans still think he is the greatest thing since paper cups.
19 percent
"Bush is out of touch with a lot of things we are facing today," said 33-year-old Marisa Cajbon, who was filling her Toyota Sequoia SUV with the expensive fuel. "I have to buy gas. I need to work. I have two kids. I think it's unfortunate. I think it's a crime."
Um, Marisa...the price of gas has been steadily rising for years. Global warming is real and we've know about what contributes to it for years. SUVs are the worst guzzlers and polluters and we've known that for years. And you say that Bush is out of touch?
Not saying that you're wrong about Bush, but you seem to be wrong about many things. The very worrisome thing is that you seem to be an example of main-stream American disconnect. You just can't see the role you play in all of this. That's too bad, because you'll be driving your Sequoia right off the cliff, with the rest of us in it.
Like father, like son. This clueless bastard is just like Poppy-went into a store and was amazed at the barcode scanner and the price of milk. Now Dumbyah is surprised that gas may hit $4.00/gallon. Milk isn't far from that price now.
This Texan didn't vote for that dumbass for Governor, and certainly didn't for Prez. Only good thing was we didn't have him in Austin fucking things up anymore. Too bad he went to DC and proceeded to do the same, only on a much larger and tragic scale. Wish he'd find another state or country to claim he's from. I can't wait until they open his library at SMU in Dallas so I can go piss on the floor.