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Why Barack Obama Got My Vote
I just flew back from Australia, where I was speaking about the erosions of our civil liberties. Believe me, the rest of the world is agog at our inaction as what makes us Americans is being set aflame; and they are more scared of what an unsheathed US could do to the rest of the world than we are.
They also get more news out in the rest of the world about these depredations than we do here in our media bubble.
For instance: As the Australian reported earlier this week, New South Wales Justice of the Peace Mamdouh Habib is suing the Australian federal government -- which under the Howard administration had colluded with the US in committing various abuses against detainees and due process -- for having allowed him to be arrested wrongly in Pakistan in 2001, kidnapped and sent illegally to Egypt. There this Justice of the Peace was illegally imprisoned and tortured for six months. After that the United States held him for FOUR YEARS in Guantanamo. His complaint notes that he is a law-abiding citizen who was swept up under false pretexts. "It turns out that Habib has incontrovertible proof of his good standing," the Australian noted. "[H]e is a fully accredited Justice of the Peace in NSW. A search of the NSW Attorney General's Department website reveals that not only Habib, but his wife Maha Habib, is a JP." To become justice of the peace in New South Wales, the Australian added, "you have to be NOMINATED BY A MEMBER OF THE NSW PARLIAMENT and submit to a full character inquiry, including a criminal records check by NSW Police." (ALL CAPS mine)
Get that? A justice of the peace in a developed-world democracy. Had you heard of that?
Me neither.
This gave me chills because, once again, it is so scarily predictable: when I first started trying to alert people about the ramifications of the Military Commissions Act, and how it gives the US power to seize innocent people off the street simply by the President's naming them 'enemy combatants', I pointed out that nothing would prevent the US from rendering an EU minister off the streets of Belgium -- and flying him or her to a `black site' for torture -- if he or she opposed a US pipeline plan, or was prosecuting US war criminals such as Rumsfeld in the Hague. And that the clear lesson of Germany and other closing societies such as Argentina is that once those 'disappearances' begin, that is it; few are then brave enough to object -- and at that point objection is too weak to be effective anyway.
They rendered an Australian justice of the peace -- and that rendition did not even make the US news. So how can we be sure there is something so sacred about an American justice of the peace or even a judge? Say, an American judge who ruled against the Military Commissions?
This kind of leap to the next level of threat to us as citizens seems implausible to many people because they assume that there is an orderly and effective democratic response to this kind of eruption of lawlessness --- (oh gosh, actually it isn't lawlessness any more, now is it) -- or, I should say, to this kind of abrupt shift to a heightened level of state sadism; Well -- someone would bring charges!, one assumes. Or: someone would sue! Or: surely the ACLU would do something!
But seriously, I ask you to consider: What would indeed happen as a countermove if a US justice of the peace or a judge was rendered? The Bar Association would protest? Scary. Intimidating.
I raise this as an urgent matter in part because of a recent conference call I participated in with Hamid Khan, the head of the courageous movement of Pakistani lawyers and judges. In the call, which he made in spite of great danger to himself and probably to his family, there was a moment when he described the internecine warfare and factionalism of the opposition to Musharraf. In his voice was the tired, frustrated sound I have heard so often in this country when groups on the left JUST CAN'T GET IT TOGETHER. No matter how urgent the need is. Whereas in Pakistan's case they were having trouble getting the anti-Musharraf forces to act together -- and there was so much at stake.
What became clear from that call is that we are fools to assume that if the government makes a dramatically violent move, which all the laws I have highlighted now make entirely possible, that anyone will know clearly what to do or how to implement what should be done in response. In Pakistan, it was clear, in spite of this powerful grassroots movement, no one had a clear Plan B when Musharraf declared a state of emergency and began rounding up the lawyers and arresting the judges. No one had an unquestioned leadership structure in place for the countermovement; no one had a subcontinent-sized phone tree or a nice big -- oh, nation-sized -- conference room in which to meet.
We need to consider this right now when we think about our own country: In a sudden sharp move on the part of the US government, even a `small' one such as this imagined scenario of the rendition of a handful of US judges, there is nothing a democracy is prepared effectively to do; that is the nature of democracy. There is no War Room for democracy; no one has an organizational chart detailing who would do what; no one would have a master strategy.
When people think about the many laws that invite this kind of overreaching now in the US -- the National Security Presidential Directive (NSPD 51), for instance, that would give the President control over all branches of government -- executive, legislative, and judicial -- in the event of an emergency -- they just assume that, gosh darn it, WE WON'T TAKE IT. And it may well be that we wouldn't want to take it and we would be willing in great numbers to run to the ramparts. But here is what I have to report to you, that the conference call made clear, and my Pakistani friend would confirm this: in a crackdown, even in the best-case scenario, NO ONE KNOWS WHERE THE RAMPARTS ARE.
Many people have expressed faith in the Military. I am sure most of our military are patriots and cherish freedom; but who would direct a resistance to such an edict? What would be the chain of command? What about ordnance? Many people have expressed faith in the courts, but if they went after the judges -- just a handful of judges -- as they did in Pakistan, would the judiciary prevail? How? All closed societies have judiciaries; the judges just know which way to rule.
Many others assume the media will cover such a depredation and rouse people; well, ideally -- but just days ago we saw a curious blackout of a 60 Minutes report on Don Siegelman, the Democrat probably wrongly jailed in Alabama, by a TV affiliate with close ties to the White House.
Resistance? Sure, but how? The trouble with an aggressive move in any one of these directions on the part of the government is that THEY HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN and we have not. They aren't surprised or shocked; we are. They have a plan; we don't.
So surely, better to roll back these terrifying laws. Just in case.
I have noted it is always true that societies that begin by torturing people at the margins end up torturing members of their own citizenry. Consider again: the Oscar-winning documentary for this year, Taxi to the Dark Side, which proves that any of us can become a monster torturer, following orders, and proves also that the edict to torture was systemic and came from the very top, won't be seen by most Americans. This is because the Discovery Channel bought it hoping to air it -- but then backed out. (Its affiliates have close ties to the military-industrial complex.) Will the Oscar win get it on the airwaves? Doubtful. Watch it somehow and drag all your friends to see it. Then consider that what happened to Dilawar, an innocent Afghani taxi driver, could happen to you or me.
When I went to see it in a theatre there were six people present. So America can't know in time what is being done to others to take steps to protect ourselves.
What is leadership? Leadership means getting out in front of where people are and waking them up. Right now, given these violent possible threats to us and our families, we are sleeping.
Which is why I am formally coming out of the closet with my support for Senator Barack Obama. Of all the candidates running now, he is the leader on understanding the threat to the Constitution and actually taking action, not just mouthing soundbites, on the need to deny torturers space in our nation and to restore the rule of law.
"Lawyers for Gitmo detainees endorse Obama," read a recent headline on the Boston Globe's political blog. In the article, reporter Charlie Savage notes that "More than 80 volunteer lawyers for Guantanamo Bay detainees today endorsed Illinois Senator Barack Obama's presidential bid. The attorneys said in a joint statement that they believed Obama was the best choice to roll back the Bush-Cheney administration's detention policies in the war on terrorism and thereby to 'restore the rule of law, demonstrate our commitment to human rights, and repair our reputation in the world community.'"
The lawyers who signed this letter -- prominent names on the list included Washington lawyer Thomas Wilner, retired federal appeals court judge John Gibbons, and retired Rear Admiral Donald Guter, who was the Navy's top JAG officer from 2000 to 2002 -- applauded Obama for having stood up in 2006 against aspects of the Military Commissions Act. Unfortunately, his fight was ultimately unsuccessful -- which is why we are all still in danger. But unlike other candidates he truly fought and he understood the nature of the danger: "When we were walking the halls of the Capitol trying to win over enough Senators to beat back the Administration's bill, Senator Obama made his key staffers and even his offices available to help us," the lawyers wrote. "Senator Obama worked with us to count the votes, and he personally lobbied colleagues who worried about the political ramifications of voting to preserve habeas corpus for the men held at Guantanamo. He has understood that our strength as a nation stems from our commitment to our core values, and that we are strong enough to protect both our security and those values. Senator Obama demonstrated real leadership then and since, continuing to raise Guantanamo and habeas corpus in his speeches and in the debates."
Senator Clinton also opposed the law. In 2006 she said: "If enacted, this law would give license to this Administration to pick people up off the streets of the United States and hold them indefinitely without charges and without legal recourse." She gets the danger; many of her colleagues do too. But this issue requires bold language and action. Senator Clinton has not foregrounded the issue of the subversion of the rule of law in her appearances or speeches; and I am very VERY sorry to say that she did not oppose torture until she opposed it.
I say this with regret: She and her husband really know how to run a country; they delivered eight years of peace and prosperity. I know her to be a skilled politician and motivated by sincere love of country. Mrs. Clinton would be a terrific executive -- in a stable democracy. But that is not enough right now. These are times that should try men's souls -- and women's also. In a closing society, a leader has to be willing to face down evil, engage it and call it by its name.
Remember: when activists started to push hard to raise awareness of the dangers of torture and indefinite detention, many on the Hill were scared to join the fight because it was then politically unpopular. But to me, if you are not really against torture -- always and under every political change in climate, and let us note that former torture victim and prisoner of war John McCain shamefully dropped his fight against the torture loopholes in the law as well -- then you are not really, in my view, fit to be an American President.
Gender has nothing to do with it. Race has nothing to do with it.
Integrity has something to do with it.
That is why Barack Obama has my vote. Of all the leading candidates, he is the only one on these issues who has consistently acted like a true American.
And if I hear -- as I am likely to -- from legions of US feminists outraged at me for choosing this man over that woman, I will gladly sit down and explain why I am certain that these issues are so urgent that they overshadow absolutely everything else.
Anyway, the man is a feminist; he has a woman-friendly policy vision. And while it would be a thrill to see the first woman elected President, in the last analysis, a real feminist need not define people or support on the basis of gender. Certainly not when our house -- with the precious Constitution held without representation within it -- is burning down.
Naomi Wolf is the author of The End of America (Chelsea Green) and the co-founder of the American Freedom Campaign.
Copyright © 2008 HuffingtonPost.com, Inc.
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Show AllThis is RIDICULOUS!!!! I can't believe Naomi Wolf is going to support Obama. Naomi Wolf was a hero but not any more. Whether McCain, Clinton or Obama, they are still working for the Federal Reserve and will not do anything about reigning in the I.R.S. and ending the illegal federal income tax by taking down the Fedral Reserve Bank(of criminals). Nor will they start closing and securing our borders. Not one of them will stop NAFTA and the NAU or any of the other failed trade agreements that have contributed to our economic destruction as well as the ruin of other countries economies whose leaders signed on with the Clinton/ Bush administrations. That goes for Huckabee as well. The only candidates we can trust to leave the direction of this country to the people are Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich and Ralph Nader. There are other lesser known candidates with great ideas but no traction at all because of the way the two party system shuts out the other voices that still need heard.
The idea that Obama, or Clinton or McCain for that matter, truly give a rat's @ss about our Constitution is HYSTERICAL and SAD.
RON PAUL 2008!
www.ronpaul2008.com
WOW....I thought that Naomi would have been able to see past all of this partisan bull...
This is so depressing! Naomi has done such a great job fighting the onslaught of tyranny in our country, but she's failed to see the final and most important element!!!!
The glue that holds the whole fascist system together is that the Republican AND Democrat parties are BOTH controlled by the same corporations!
If a candidate is corporate backed it means they are CFR backed which means the SAME THING is going to happen. Naomi seems to forget that George W. Bush, in a lot of ways, simply continued or amplified institutions the Bill Clinton started like SPYING!!! YES...Mr. Bill Clinton started spying on Americans LONG before George Bush showed up...How about Extraordinary Rendition? Huh? George Bush didn't start that...it was WILLIAM!
Barack Obama gets on stage with a lot of smoke and mirrors and makes everyone feel better, as if he's some how going to reverse everything that's been done by W...
well....that is simply NOT going to happen. Obama, Clinton, McCain, and Huckabee are all puppets for the corporate controlled CFR.
PLEASE......VOTE FOR RON PAUL!!!!!
obama bloomberg
Hamster: "If it's close they will steal it."
Dream on.
They'll steal it even if 100% voted for Obama.
Google "Hacking Democracy" 1h 22min
Did Bill Clinton really deliver 8 years of peace and prosperity? It seemed so, superficially, at the time. But the Enron, Tyco and subprime catastrophes are results of the Clinton adminsitration's policies. The upper classes got a lot richer, but average and lower income people didn't. Clinton's failure to confront environmental issues, despite Gore's urging, set us back 15 years in doing something about global warming. Clinton connived at Pakistan's development of nuclear weapons and supplying technology to North Korea, Iran, Iraq and Libya. He damaged our standing in the world by refusing to ban landmines, cynically insisting on provisions that greatly damaged the International Criminal Court statute by holding out a promise to sign it, mutatis mutandis, then refusing to do so, and by his refusal to intervene in Rwanda and obstructing the UN from doing so.
Admittedly Bill Clinton was much better than either Bush. Obama may not be perfect, but compared with the other choices we have, Hillary Clinton or John McCain, he looks pretty good.
"It's 3 a.m. and your children are safe and asleep. But there's a phone in the White House and it's ringing."
It's Monika calling for Bill...
chlamor: shameful. why expose the fraud and duplicity of another nice Harvard grad. If prez, in the interest of unity, he'll pardon all the bush war crimminals. But let's face it. With the money in politics, corporate contributions etc., we've got as much chance of a dem standing up to corporate interests as a TV golf pro voting for a democrat. Without campaign finance reform, our leaders are pre-selected. We vote, we beat off. It all goes to the toilet.
Read this about Obama. If true, I think it is, the nation is going down:
http://www.counterpunch.com/gonzalez02292008.html
Want to check voting records:
http://votesmart.org/index.htm
I read the article because I have a great deal of respect for Naomi W. I thought she did an excellent job of representing her choice for prez based on her prospective. I also realize that her greatest fear is America's slid into fascism. Stopping that slide is her priority at this time in America's history when choosing a president. What she seems to be looking for is the candidate that she thinks can best stand up for our Constitutional liberties AND be the leader that we will follow to the ramparts. And given the choices we have today will occupy the White House nest year, she is advocating for the person that she believes can be the leader that we need.
I have spent an hour reading all of the comments. What I take away is that everybody seems to have their priorites in a different order and therefore advocate who they think will best meet their priorities.
I strongly supported Kucinich until he dropped out. Even sent him $$$s. I raged against the machine that didn't let his voice be heard. He had all the right ideas and actual bills to back them up. Even impeachment. What a guy! I do miss his voice. But in retrospect, I realize now that he is not the charismatic leader that the majority of Americans would follow to the ramparts.
So then I moved on to Edwards. Again railed at the machine that didn't let his voice be heard. But he had the right message about corporations and the rich filth. Now he is gone.
Then I retrenched for a while. Anybody but Hillary. If she got matched up against Paul, I would vote for Paul or Green. Now I am at a total loss.
It is my belief that the economy is ready to implode, probably BEFORE the elections. I want single payor healthcare in the worst way, but Congress is probably going to have more of a say in that than a reasonable prez who can be swayed. Labor unions and labor rights are another big deal for me. Of the big 3, seems that Obama would get my vote on that score. But none of the above means a damn thing if we do not have a prez that at least gives us hope that the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Rule of Law will be restored in this country. If we don't stop this snowball from hell that is picking up speed in a mad rush to fascism, we are all doomed anyway. It might already be too late, but I would like to at least go down fighting the good fight.
I'm still voting for Kucinich in the primaries in May (Oregon). What I will do in November is another question. But I will definitely keep Naomi's advice as part of my decision. I see what she sees, and it's a very scarey sight. I want to make sure that we have a leader that can identify the right rampart for me to go to. And I have to know that he/she has the leadership qualities that can bring enough people together so I don't have to fight alone once I get behind the barracades.
Calling all "progressive" purists a.k.a Obama-haters. Let's get Socratic with it.
Just before the Iowa caucuses, Kucinich said: "I hope Iowans will caucus for me as their first choice this Thursday, because of my singular positions on the war, on health care and trade. This is an opportunity for people to stand up for themselves. But in those caucus locations where my support doesn't reach the necessary threshold, I strongly encourage all of my supporters to make Barack Obama their second choice. Sen. Obama and I have one thing in common: change."
Is he sipping the kool-aid too? Is Kucinich a sell-out?
What about Scott Ritter? Progressives have come to love Ritter for his obvious expert knowledge with regards to U.S./Iraq/Iran relations and for his penchant for exposing the lies and distortions of the Clinton/Bush administrations. Ritter is backing Obama. Is he a corporate-facist "republicrat" (or whatever the latest fadish drivel is)?
Some "progressive" purists argue: if Obama was the real deal, he should declare a detailed progressive policy picture. Do you think we'd even be talking about Obama right now, if he'd done that?
Have you noticed he's black, for all intents and purposes? (And don't give me any of that biracial shit, either. This is one-drop America, not a DNA seminar).
It's one thing for a white man to declare an all out frontal assault on the military-industrial complex but for a black man to do it is suicidal. Are you, like the FBI did King, suggesting Obama commit suicide, literally? (chlamor are you reading this?)
Reminds me of my boxing days. Sometimes an opponent would run out of his corner (like a progressive purist) declaring, with his fists, what he was about to do. I'd side-step and proceed to stomp a mud hole in that ass. Ever heard of the indirect approach in strategy? Ever read Sun Tzu? Are you suggesting Obama should employ the "shock and awe" strategy?
Seeing as how "progressive" purists have such a deep grasp of history, I wonder if they can tell me what has happened to EVERY black man in American history who brought together progressive policy ideas with a large mass of people in his camp? Again, are you really asking Obama to commit suicide or has white-skin privilege made you overlook that historically-backed reality?
Or, Mr. and Mrs. "Progressive" Purist, do you agree with our conservative bretheran in their estimation on just how far past the color line we are?
Some argue: Obama is Wall St's choice. What you think about Warren Buffet & Bill Gates SR., who are leading (and funding) the fight againt the permanent repeal of the estate tax -- the largest intergenerational transfer of wealth in human history?
George Soros? Ariana Huffington? Mark Cuban? The late multimillionaire John Lennon? Superrich Paul McCartney? Russell Simmons? All of them evil?
While others argue: hope is fine but, to quote one poster, "blind faith that Obama or Hillary will magically become different politicians once in the oval office is just stupidity." Can you point to one Obama supporter who thinks things will become "magically" different if he's elected?
Sorry to rehash but any progressive worth their salt (actually any student of history) ought to know that, even if Jesus Christ were elected, nothing will change without the backing of a well-organized, massive movement. That's the way the system was designed and operates.
sg March 1st, 2008 12:52 am
Look it's quite simple, just what have the Democrats done for us the last eight years that warrants my vote? Make me a list.
The only thing the Democrats know how to do is capitulate and cave in. On everything! Just give a good reason and one that isn't a reason to vote against McCain.
Democrats caved in on the war, on funding the war, on impeachment, on water boarding and now they are preparing to cave in on granting immunity to the telecommunications industry for present and future crimes.
Democrats aren't worth a bucket of warm spit! Period.
"Are you, like the FBI did King, suggesting Obama commit suicide"
It beyond abundantly clear Obama is no Dr. Martin Luther Knng. Who are you kidding? Obama doesn't have that kind of courage or nerve to speak truth to power and risk it all. I am offended that Dr. King and Obama are mentioned in the same breath. That is an insult to Dr. King. You make a good argument for Obama being a coward.
Next, the progressive sell-outs will say Obama can't really change things because he needs to get re-elected. Just wait another four years. The last four years progressive sell-outs will be claiming he can't do anything because he doesn't want to screw it up for the next Democrat. So 0n and so forth.
Vote your principles. Let the chips fall where they may. Vote Greens or anybody but a sold out Dim Wit.
SallyUUKent said: "A vote for Nader is a vote for McCain. Sorry, Naderites, but you're fooling yourselves that the guy has even a snowball's chance of winning this late in the race..."
Sally, you don't have to apologize. We, Naderites are simply staying on the better side of our conscience by exercising our right to vote while we still have a choice. You, on the other hand, do not seem to have a candidate anymore. Kucinich was the best man, I agree. Nader has graciously offered to take his place. Any concerned person in Nader's position would be obligated to do the same. The egomaniac argument is moot.
Tailcap and other "vote your conscience" types:
What principles might lead a person who agrees with Nader to vote for Obama?
palmeres,
For starters, Obama could commit himself to not-for-profit universal health care.
The media constantly refers to Obamas' "rock star status". He is filling 20,000 seat stadiums, there's excitement and anticipation and cheering, but, using the rock star analogy, all he does is talk about the songs he's working on. He never plugs in his guitar to show us what he's got. It's just Barack..yack...yack, and off the stage to the next stadium. If he is elected let's hope he's been working on one helluva an album.
Meanwhile I'm listening to the Nader tracks, as far as I'm concerned, he still rocks.
Thanks sg for being realistic, logical, mature.
Is it safe to say that all of the support/votes
for continuing the war came from an overwhelming
majority of both dems and repubs. Is that a fact?
Not just Obama but a majority of House and Senate?
Except for some notable exceptions?
NOT making excuses. NOT what we wanted
The patriotic, nationalistic, soft on terror, 911, defense,
Appalachin Jihad, propaganda card was a very powerful tool.
It still works today. It gives McCain 40% of America's votes
In spite of the fact that history and common sense or logic
demonstrates this Endless War Policy is a criminal disaster.
Despite the fact that a Consensus of National Intelligence
agencies stated that bush's foreign policy makes US much
less safe, much less safe!!! Direct repubs to NYT Sept 07.
Only a moron would believe that turning civilians; women, children into bloody body parts, which is then shown nitely on Al Jeezera,(where the war is not blacked out like it is here) would make us safer.
If there was such a big terrorist threat, why did bush leave our borders wide open for seven years? Those two ideas do not go together. Endless War is the Neocon Insanity.
This makes us safer? Ludicrous.
Its obvious Neocons want endless profitable war.. And oil.
War is big business. War is one of US' only remaining industries. Everybody knows this. No one talks much about it in public. We are all implicated and responsible at some level. Any public figure pulling the plug on the war machine
is pulling the plug on one of the largest integrated industries in this country. This is political, if not literal suicide. The military, high tech, defense, petroleum, wall street, university, corporate media complex.
Chalmers Johnson stated that JFK was the last person
who thought he could stand up to the MIC.
So McCain's endless war policy has the support
of 40% of American voters, give or take a few? Jesus
And this before the onslaught of the reich wing smear
swift boating, 527 rovian limbaugh slander headed our way.
The comment posted above makes serious charges
against Senator Barack Obama and his record..
They seem credible charges and must be addressed.
Rice and lieberman are monstrous. However,
The CounterPunch article singles Obama out
like he was the exception instead of the rule. Spin.
How did everybody else except Kucinich and Mc Kinney
and a few others vote? Not an excuse; Not what we want.
It is what happened. A shared disgrace.
There were millions of Americans who supported
it, or ignored it, or denied it or lied to themselves.
There were some that profited and continue to profit.
And yes for progressive purists you need a Philosophy 101
or Critical Thinking class. Please grow up
Jesus Christ Ghandi Mandela Theresea King
would not stand a chance with you guys.
No one would. Please name one person who fits the bill.
Have you seen Nader or Chomsky's financial statements?
Maybe they are not lily white either.
Cockburn is an egotistical hack.
These journalistic prog. writer are human too.
The doom and gloom collection agencies;
with motivations like cash, status and career.
As to the cynical- give up hope-all pols are corrupt
its all one party-we are finished harangue people.
Where will you go? Ok, even if its "true",
where exactly does this thinking take us or leave us?
It engenders hopelessness,apathy fear,despair and devisivness. Which is where many of us were or were getting to about a month ago. These mind states are exactly
what the war machine feeds on.
What is the motivation of this type of thinking?.
It is simpleton-plistic It is an either/or fallacy.
Offers no solution. Not creative. Redundant. Old.
And ironically, Not progressive. Progress implies movement;
not dead end go nowhere boring thinking. Are these freepers?
Is that the faint sulferous stench of Karlheinz Rove there?
Perhaps it provides them some sort of safe ground.
Kinda like the non-votes they criticize Obama for.
Save the purist rant for the hand. Talk to it. Say words!!
Is there really a sane choice between McCain and Obama?.
Forget prog or ind or right or left, commie or green.
How about common sense or even logic? Or being realistic?
McCain crazy, Clinton corrupt. Senator Obama....
The first two will no doubt continue the war As Is.
Clinton took more money than any other candidate from
the war industry. Up to her eyelashes in big Pharma & HMOs.
Not to mention the image of Bill skulking around the White House. That will bring out millions of fundamentalists.
Remember the Impeachment?. Those folks do. Limbaugh
Ken Starr is being booked right now. Hannity.
Senator Obama's campaign is 80% grass roots support.
They have generated a tremendous network of participating citizens. God forbid we actually felt hope and even joy for a couple of weeks. Just to hear someone say what we
have hoped and feared for 7 years.
Look close at the emotions in those faces
There is truth there as well.
Cant fool all the people ...
And given the history of those standing up;
No one can doubt the courage of this man.
Hope inspires and motivates action.
So it is really a very simple choice,
when we boil it down...
This is what motivates us more than anything.
http://nomorevictims.org/ Take a look. Help out.
We want the killing murder torture of
innocent people to stop.
There is no excuse on earth for these war crimes.
Little kids are getting their arms and legs blown off.
This horror is why we are all here night after night.
We are trying to find some way to overcome this
nightmare that we find ourselves in. We have to.
Logically, realistically, humanistically it must stop.
As an adult, I believe the best chance for the quickest,
most humane way of ending this war is to vote for
Senator Barack Obama. Given the choices we have,
I will vote for Senator Barack Obama.
So many Naderites say they will vote their conscience and then do everything they can to trash Obama as if that is an act of principle? One commentor totted out a list and never once mentioned where the other senators, Mccain and Hillary voted. Guess where they votes went on his list and moreover, add the Patriot Act and far more.
Moreover Nader method is to pay lip service to issues but he focuses on trashing the dems yet in all honesty bad as dems have been, it is the republicans who should be the progressives target. Many have begun to question Nader's spite. Yeah spite.
What principle does he run on? That anyone can run even out of spite? Where was the principle of running for congress or any other office? He claims running for president gets him more coverage. Ah... I guess that is the principle of the thing is it? Not ever intending or expecting to serve, he does this spite everyone yet again. Why? Because he is Nader and Nader wants the flashy limelight but not the long walk by running for state office or congress or any office. There reality hurts more because it is so ego deflating when you don't get the votes. A crushing loss in a presidential race doesn't bother Nader because he can delude HIMSELF that he ran on principle and never expected to win.
Denying that he helps the republicans is an unprincipled deceit since he is not running in the race for real but is in effect gaming the principle of representaive voting. He wastes the votes of his followers knowingly. Some principle he has.
Why hasn't Nader run for a lesser office and see if he could have won? Senator Nader could have had his platform and microphone in Congress. His spite is actually towards the people in this country who want their votes to matter. Running with no expectation or even the intention of serving as president is shaming progressives and mocking their sincerity. Using it and them because he wants to keep his image in the media only.
This election is not a 'get over it' publicity stunt to be used so cynically.
It's the principle of the thing.
Doughyden (2/29, 12:17pm), you took the words right out of my mouth (or out of my fingers, as the case may be). Even if Obama pushes the country by only a few degrees in a progressive direction, it will be a start in repairing the damage the Bush Gang have done to America.
And Obama, as well as being smart and articulate, has proven that he's not going to lay down in the face of attacks, as did Kerry. I was impressed that he so quickly put together an answer to Hillary's 'Red Phone' scare ad, and has been taking on McCain's every slam. It's good to see a liberal fight back for a change.
Here's a brief vignette from Obama's run for the US Senate in Illinois that shows what a devastating counterpuncher he can be: In 2004, Obama was being followed around on the campaign trail by a Republican 'opposition research' goon with a video camera, trying to catch him saying or doing something embarrassing. Up until then, candidates routinely ignored these people, acting as if they didn't exist, although both the candidate and the press corps knew very well who they were and why they were there. But Obama did something different: He openly introduced the oppo guy to the assembled media, joking that he had been practically tailing him into the men's room with his camera, to the delighted laughter of the press. The GOP oppo man slinked off utterly mortified, his game exposed to the public, never to return. This demonstrates the kind of original and clever thinking of which Obama is capable.
BTW, if this incident sounds familiar, it's because Republican George Allen tried the same thing in the 2006 Virginia election, except Allen is such a bigoted boob that it backfired on him and became the 'macaca' moment that lost him the election.
As far as the concerns over whether he can overcome racism and xenophobia, Obama won his US Senate seat in Illinois with a record 70 percent of the vote, and a good portion of that vote came from the central and downstate areas of the state -- overwhelmingly white, rural, religious, and Republican, and thought to be the kind of voters who would never go for an urban black liberal from Chicago.
Times have changed, folks, and Obama is for real.
Kathyodat (2/29 12;53pm), keep in mind that just a couple of months ago Obama was far down in the polls compared to Hillary yet, once the public got a look at him, his numbers went up as hers tanked. I think a similar thing will happen in the general election. McCain is coasting on fumes from his 'maverick, straight-talker' 2000 campaign so far, as many voters haven't really started to pay attention. Once they get a load of the spineless Bush clone McCain has become, I think you'll see a Dem landslide in November. (As Jjohnjj notes, Obama's up by as much as 12 points against McCain in some polls. He's also right that few wanted to fight for Kerry -- he didn't inspire people -- Obama does.)
Hamster, I agree, Ralph Nader should be in the debates -- (not likely) -- but I hope a President Obama finds a place for him in his administration -- Secretary of Labor or head of the EPA might be nice.
Ephraim, Obama has committed to ending torture, closing Gitmo and restoring habeas corpus -- that's a good start.
Dakotalin (2/29, 2:16pm), now that the hated Hillary is nearly through, the Big Media is turning on Obama -- I've heard that clip of the right-wing talk show host at a McCain event using Obama's middle name dozens of times in the last few days. But none of this seems to have any effect on his campaign -- his numbers continue to rise. BTW, in case you haven't heard the news, Nader's running mate is none other than Matt Gonzalez, but thanks for the info anyway.
Chlamor (2/29, 2:24pm), you're a little confused: every one of those bills with an 'H.R.' prefix wouldn't be bills Obama voted on. 'H.R.' refers to 'House Resolution' and Obama doesn't vote in the House, he's in the Senate. He may have voted for a later Senate version of the House bill, but that's another matter, and the wording of the bill is often changed by the time it reaches the upper chamber of Congress. The authorizations for defense spending also went to provide basic equipment for the troops, the VA, and maintain military readiness, as well as to pay off contracts with Halliburton, et al. You have oversimplified the process here to make Obama look bad. Neither Chertoff nor Roberts ever advocated torture or illegal imprisonment when they were questioned by Congress prior to appointment, and Gonzales lied about it. As far as I know, Roberts has still not endorsed either as a Supreme Court justice. Obama also sponsored, with Republican Richard Lugar, a bill to contain nuclear proliferation, which passed. Obama supported Ned Lamont in the CT general election against Lieberman, and Lamont is now supporting Obama for president. Obama has also said he will negotiate with Iran, not launch nuclear attacks on them. The information in your cut and paste attack on him is either distorted or factually wrong.
Iowablackbird, you have a good point: It is possible to teach a cat to use the toilet and progressive change has happened in this country, but not introduced by those who have given up on the possibility of change.
Ardee, 'Barack' Obama has been in elective office longer than Hillary Clinton and, if you actually listened to his speeches, you'd find substance among the hope and change rhetoric. You'll also find his stands on the issues here: http://www.barackobama.com/issues should you desire to cure yourself of your ignorance.
DJ Psychomike, you have an apt name. Lincoln did do many of the things of which you accuse him, but he went to the Congress later and received permission for them, as did FDR for the Japanese-American internment camps. (Provide some solid evidence that Germen-Americans were interred -- most of them were in the military fighting against the Axis, and you might notice that the US CinC in the European Theater in WWII was named Eisenhower -- a German name. Also where did you get the idea FDR was running 'secret jails for interrogations'? Of course we routinely interrogated prisoners, but it was no secret and we didn't torture them.)
I live in Illinois too, DJ Psychomike, and you seem to be blaming Obama for not controlling Mayor Daley. You apparently don't understand how state and muncipal government works -- Obama was a state senator, he didn't vote in the Chicago City Council, and there was little he could do to influence the way the Daley administration did business. As far as "His house was bought by a mobster who also gave him money to run," Tony Rezko wasn't charged with any crime when Obama bought the house from him, and had not been reported as having any connections to organized crime. Yes, he did take a campaign contribution from Rezko, but not enough to justify your absurd implication that Rezko somehow financed his entire campaign.
Truthseeker58, you're confused -- that was Rep. John Conyers, not Obama, who had protestors outside his office arrested. Any impeachment proceedings would have to first be drafted by the House before they came up for a vote in the Senate, so it would have been a waste of time for this group to be lobbying Obama. Conyers, however, is Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, and had promised, prior to 2006, that he would initiate impeachment against Bush and Cheney, should the Dems get the majority in 2006. They did and he reneged on his promise.
You can support a candidate for president who is a REAL peace candidate, a REAL progressive and a REAL feminist. Ralph Nader is NOT running on the Green Party ticket and his campaign, while raising issues the corporate candidates will not address, is building nothing except his own fundraising database. Support Cynthia McKinney and help grow the Green Party and build a "Power to the People Coalition" that will endure beyond the 2008 election:
http://www.runcynthiarun.org
Barack Obama is clearly the lesser evil candidate. You can always vote for him in November if your conscience allows it, but meanwhile why not contribute to a campaign that will challenge traditional politics and "business as usual" in the seat of the American Empire?
I'm not giving a dime to any politician any more. As for grassroots movements, I've seen how bickering over bureaucratic minutiae can drag down -- rather than facilitate -- good ideas, discussion, etc. IMHO, the Green Party has the best thought-out value set, coherent, consistent, etc. But it is notoriously factious and ran a mere "safe state" campaign in '04.
Sometimes people, like Nader, need to run IN SPITE of bickering, possible sabotage, human nature, etc. which exist within partisan structures.
Common Dreams is wonderful. Thanks, everyone. Yes, even the people who are confused, clueless, or with bogus claims are helpful, because it causes others come out to challenge or refute them.
Please donate and keep CD alive.
To me, this election is about INTEGRITY and LEADERSHIP and Hillary Clinton, like her husband, has shown too little of both -- though I believe she may have the political skills and abilities to one day serve as the first female Senate Majority Leader.
I guess we will soon see how well Sen. Obama survives being hit with the kitchen sink.
Boy, the Obama haters are out on this one!
Naomi Wolf states succinctly why she's going to vote for Obama: because he actually worked for those trying to restore habeas corpus for Guantanamo prisoners. Did Hillary? Did McCain? Did anyone else who was running for president?
In the end, nobody's perfect, as much as we might wish they were. And one person will never please everyone. All we can do is support those among the available who best represent what we know are America's best interests. And we must always keep in mind that these are not normal times as Naomi points out. I've said the same thing about Nancy Pelosi's "tea-party" impeachment-is-off-the-table approach to today's politics -- they'd work fine when America's very foundations are not under threat, but right now they're downright frightening and treacherous.
These times are not business as usual.
RichM
Did I excuse Nancy Pelosi's whimpering refusal to put impeachment on the table?
I think you misread and misunderstood the intention of my post.
Another progressive who is ignoring his record:
for the death penalty
for increasing the military budget
against capping interest rates
for increasing troop levels
for escalating the illegal occupation in Afghanistan
for illegally going into Pakistan
wrongly thinks Iran is driving toward nuke weapons
against single payer (though was once for it---flip flopper)
used to be pro Palestinian rights (though was once for it---flip flopper)
won't repeal the illegal economic blockade on Cuba
wants a fail policy for teachers: merit pay
likes the discredited standardized test score model for accountability in schools
is an ardent free trader
his top three economic advisors are all market fundamentalists
his top foreign policy advisors, Powers and Brzezinsk are imperialists
and on and on
This man, in no way, merits support from progressives.
Read Paul Street, Juan Santos, Glen Ford, Margaret Kimberley, Bruce Dixon and Ralph Nader about Obama and get educated.
Hey formernadervoter, Mr. Know It All. No shit. Do you think you're telling us something we don't already know. I asked you the other day if you any organizing experience? Any. And you have yet to answer.
I pose the same question to you that I've been asking other "progressive" purists to no avail. Are you asking Obama to commit suicide or has white skin privilege blinded you to that very real possibility?
Can you name a single progressive black politician with a significant following who was not assassinated?
Do you understand indirect strategy? Ever read Sun Tzu?
Do you honestly think Obama would still be in it if he were to support your laundry list?
Do you have a pragmatic bone in your body?
RichM says: "The argument that "Nobody's perfect" adds little of value, since it can be used for everyone. (For instance, GW Bush is also "not perfect.")"
WHich is exactly why your analysis is useless. There is no one who would fit your bill apparently. And you obession with one person makes me question whether you understand a fundamental fact of U.S. politics. NOTHING GETS DONE WITHOUT A MVT BEHIND IT, which goes beyond the silly points you keep making.
Are you saying that movements have no impact on politicians? I can't believe you believe that bullshit so now the question becomes: why don't you think Obama would be susceptible to such pressures?
thanks to rsj for shining some light on bogus/ignorant "facts."
How anyone can believe this "35 years of experience" claim of Hillary's is related to her ability to be our prez is beyond me. We know she wasn't cooking up good southern fried chick meals with grits or whatever they eat down Ark way, but then she wasn't elected to any office either until she took up opportunistic residence in NY.
Can someone tell me how many years Obama was in the legislature in Ill.
I really think Obama's got what it takes to shine the light on the flim flam flip flopper McCain. Would someone fill me in on just how McCain's a war hero? is it because he survived imprisonment or did he actually do something heroic?
I've been wondering if MCain's lovely wife is from Stepford. Is that his second or third wife? How much younger is she, anyway? Just curious. I'm sure she is as sweet as any arm candy ever was...
Get educated? It's this kind of fake-ass, condescending bullshit that adds nothing to the covervsation. You think you're the only one doing homework? You think you're the only who knows how to google? Now, anyone who supports Obama is not a true progressive? Like Kucinich? Yeah, OK, buddy.
I mean, can we move past this unveiling the "real" Obama cut-and-paste marathon? Let's concede that, in terms of political record, there's not much difference between Hillary and Obama but do you agree with Chomsky that within that 5 percent difference, there's millions of lives who could be positively (or negatively) impacted? Or is Chomsky not a true progressive either?
palmeres March 1st, 2008 2:42 am
"What principles might lead a person who agrees with Nader to vote for Obama?"
Very simple question, the principle of lesseroftwoevilisms. I am throughly disgusted with the performance of the Democrats and their appeasement to Bush on everything of real importance to me. They caved on Supreme Court Justices, the War, funding the war, impeachment and waterboarding to name just a few. I refuse to vote for those bastards. Do you understand where I am coming from? I am fed up with those weakling Dim Wits!
BugsBBunny III March 1st, 2008 7:49 am
"never once mentioned where the other senators, Mccain and Hillary voted"
Look, my trashing isn't exclusively directed against Obama, it's almost all the Democrats with a few exceptions like Dennis Kucinich who I greatly admire. On CD Republicans are so despised they don't need to be trashed, they are trash. I am an equal opportunity trasher. Hillary and 100.000YRS War McCain are even worse. Obama catches the brunt because he is the front runner. If Hillary were out front I would direct my fire at her.
To those so-called Democrats that have a problem with the democratic process which allows Nader to run for any office he feels like including president I say: I don't care that you vote for illusions. It is your right, and I would fight for your right to vote for your illusions. Why does it infuriate the Dims so much to have something other than a two party duopolistic choice between Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. Why do you care if we vote for a third party? Do you believe in Democracy or do you believe in the status quo two party duopoly?
Lastly, we are supposed to be a free democracy. Why do you hate choices? Why do Democrats and Republicans try so hard to keep third parties off the ballot? To ask the question is to answer it. It is because the third parties will ask the questions and highlight realities Democrats and Republicans are trying to obscure from the public like the bloated military budget. Third parties bring up uncomfortable topics and expose them for being the pro-big business, pro-staus quo, pro-war parties they really are. Vote you principles for Green. Vote for Cynthia McKinney or whoever. Anybody but a sold out Dim Wit!
If you don't mind me changing the subject, I just want to say--------
"There is hope for the world, because Naomi Klein IS the next Noam Chomsky. Period."
Mark from the Midwest
Tailcap: WTF r u talking about? Whether Obama is in the same league as King is besides the point and I think you know it. I'm talking about the millions of crazy white racists around who have this history of killing black men who openly and militantly attack the military industrial complex. The fact that you completely dismiss the point I'm getting at is one reason why there aren't many black faces in the "progressive movement."
Do you think white anti-immigration militia guys "defending" America from colored people taking over would stop to make a comparative analysis of King and Obama? "Well, Jethro, I don't think we should shoot Obama because he's no King" Yeah, I'm sure that argument would carry the day.
Nice try. Nice argument in defese of selling out, not standing up and speaking truth. Ever hear about the Secret Service that protects presidents? If it was that easy to shoot them Bush would be dead.
tailcap: that's the best you can do. Sell out? Name one black leader with a movement potentially threating to the powers-that-be who hasn't been killed? Name one.
Somebody very wise, in my book, has pointed out that whoever is elected president and whoever is elected to Congress will have to be continually pushed toward the left by the large number of activists that have been born of the Bush years. There is now a large group of students who are entering their adult lives in this group, as well as the generation before them who are under 30. Those are not the only radicalized groups of people though.
Since "my man", John Edwards, is out of the race, along with his deep concerns about corporatism, I don't have a lot invested now politically or emotionally about who wins the presidency, except that we all need to keep that from being John McCain.
So all I'm left with is to join countless others who will be on the backs of Congress about steering the country back toward its Constitutional strength. There will be plenty on the other side pushing the other way, the left-over Bushies, the theocrats, the ones who want the government to commit illegal acts, so the election in November doesn't mean the battle's over.
Eventually, after we've all had our say about a dream candidate and ground those into the ground who disagree about the best candidate, there's still plenty we can and must do after January 2009.
Think ahead, Democrats and progressives, and don't use all your energy fighting against each other. It's futile, for things will turn out as they will beyond the control of any one of us.
Aside from the silliness of comparing the security Bush gets with Obama's little SS, the reason Bush is safe is because all the violent revolutionaries with balls are in the militia movement. Angry progressives are too nice to do something so uncivilized.
The time to jump all over Obama is AFTER he's elected
sg- You have a point about black leaders getting killed. If what you say is true then what we need is a white progressive leader not a black one. So much for a color-blind society.
Obama's vote to reauthorize the USA PATRIOT act, certainly not courageous, reminds me that JF Kennedy never said anything negative or against McCarthy in the early 50's. We cannot expect perfection in our leaders, nor can we expect that our leaders can get things right without followers who remind them constantly what is good and what is just.
Thank you, RSJ, you've pretty much covered all the bases. About time someone did.
kathyodat
I've noticed from the start that while Obama has tried to run a positive campaign, he responds vigorously to attacks and finally has campaigned negatively against Hillary, but he didn't start it, she did. Serves her right. I feel comfortable with the way he stands up for himself and with his preference for seeking peaceful solutions that everyone can live with. Ratcheting down the fear level that Bush has created for his own agenda will go a long way to improving the condition our country has gotten into.
kathyodat
Iowablackbird: "nader has no experience working with other politicians, who have competing opinions..."
It's hard to get at the table when there's barbed wire and police armed with tear gas and taser guns around it, and you didn't wear the right tie.
RSJ: "a President Obama finds a place for him (Nader)in his administration — Secretary of Labor or head of the EPA might be nice."
Obama may be for "change," but I don't think he's signing up for a revolution.
ruthru March 1st, 2008 4:09 pm
i have no doubt i'll smell tear gas at anti war actions (as i have before during the reigns of clinton and bush2), meet others outside detention centers decorated in concertina razor wire, stand in front of military vehicles moving war surplus (as some in WA st are already doing) and express my discontent with injustice till i'm dead.
this country has always been a 2 party system. our elections, mainstream culture, perceptions of political discourse are rooted in this belief. what nader supporters are asking for is a complete transformation (like magic) of american government through the mechanism of a failed quadrennial presidential campaign. these changes take time and require voices in lower chambers (st sen, st legsl, house/sen seats) and an educated electorate that has confidence in these voices (green/socialist) of truth. to expect them to behave differently is extremely naive.
also, i've never heard ralph suggest we revolt (literally) against the elites. ralph believes in reform (in the constitution). when has nader ever crafted and cradled reform through a legislative process? he hasn't. nothing prevented nader (no obstacles at county court houses, state offices) from this endeavor, running for a winnable office (in fact it seems it would be much more inefficient to waste time getting on ballots in 50 states then running in one congressional district - lets see how much $$ nader raises nationally, then imagine he spent those millions of dollars winning a senate seat).
-- nader would be a great director of OMB (office of management and budget)
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what to do if there isn't revolution?
support NGOs(HRW,AI) that focus on the issues.
continue to pressure the politicians/administrative overseers to make the right decisions
(remember the pressure placed on FCC that resulted in judgments in our favor).
don't overestimate the power of the opponent. if the MSM says x and the people believe, it merely means we as progressives/radicals haven't found/created alternative forms of communication (inet/pirate radio?)that can both immediately counteract and manipulate the MSM message and public opinion.
use your 1st amendment rights (use it or lose it) demonstrate in the streets, try to publish a letter in the local newspaper, sign petitions, run for office, create an effective grassroots party that can win seats in local/state elections, build a coalition of independents, democrats and republicans focused around specific issues.
i recognize many here engage in these activities daily, we will continue to be activated citizens whether a democrat or republican is elected. however, which president is going to give us an opening ? mccain or obama ? (i'm not intentionally excluding others, this probably will be the outcome - absent unforeseen crisis. example: economic meltdown of unimaginable magnitude, contentious dispute over delegates in denver, assassination of presidential candidate, further american aggression in middle east, an israeli first strike against iran). of course all these things could happen and mccain could still win.
vote your conscience......
please donate to kucinich and sheehan...........
.......peace...................................
Some pearls I've picked up from this discussion:
Obama can't be expected to consistently, vigorously support progressive positions because he's a prominent black man worried about his safety.
Obama can't be expected to CVSPP unless there's an appropriately supportive political power structure in place up through the highest levels of government.
Obama can't be expected to CVSPP because a canny politician planning on bringing real, substantive change needs to "keep their head low".
Nader can't be an effective president because the 2-party system is ingrained into the political fabric of the country, and changing that takes a lot of time, starting down low.
Nader can't be an effective president because he hasn't crafted and cradled legislation as an elected official.
Nader can't be an effective president, but what he should do is run at the state or district level, where his money would be really well spent.
Nader can't be an effective president, but he would make a super cabinet official/director of OMB/white house ice cream scooper.
I'll leave it to the gang to further examine the inconsistencies and biases and unexamined alternatives revealed in these statements. At least we're starting to move beyond the "Ralph just has a big ego" trash talk, just a little bit.
Go Ralph. It's time to quit saying a vote for Nader is a lost vote. A vote for Nader is a vote for Nader. Pure and simple. Nader is the only one who is anti-corporate. Go Ralph. God speed!
Ruthru: At least have the common decency to use a capital letter for Nader!!
I have no intention of voting for Obama for the same reason I wont vote for Clinton: they are both bought and paid for by corporate interests. They are both married to the status quo. They both plan to leave substantial numbers of troops in Iraq. They both support nuclear energy and bio-fuels as a response to climate change. Both are inimical to the solutions we need. Both contribute to the problem via nuclear waste and biofuels are just as harmful as carbon based fuels. Both of their health plans are nothing more than a give away to the insurance industry who funds their campaigns. Both want increases in military expenditures. Wake up!
Iowablackbird: "nothing prevented nader (no obstacles at county court houses, state offices) from this endeavor, running for a winnable office (in fact it seems it would be much more inefficient to waste time getting on ballots in 50 states then running in one congressional district - lets see how much $$ nader raises nationally, then imagine he spent those millions of dollars winning a senate seat)."
It sounds like you're suggesting that Nader become part of the problem. The two party system has consistently served corporations at the expense of the people. To suggest that running for president is a waste of time begs the question: Why is it a waste of time? I believe Nader knows what he's doing. He isn't wasting his time. He's giving a voice to the very element of our government that has been neglected and blatantly ignored for the last thirty years - the people. Your argument suggests that things haven't drastically changed in a generation.
Yes the dems will not create an american utopia, that's obvious. Democracy doesn't work that way, neither does our constitution.
The only thing that would accomplish what the naysayers want is a benevolent totalitarian state.
What it all boils down to is the power that the office holds. The most significant is the veto.
If anyone thinks that Obama would actually veto along the same lines as Bush, I find that far fetched.
If you believe that the Congress won't send anything different to Obama should he become president, than you believe the problem is far reaching into the whole system and should be spending your energies working on a feasible plan to overhaul the whole system. (good idea long term, but not short term)
This would require the winning of minds of about 99% that think Bush was a disaster.
Good luck in that, but really this soon before an election still complaining about how the opposition isn't as good as you like it to be, is for this years political outcome, pointless, but rave on if you like....
If you people can't see the inevitable Swiftboating of Barak using issues such as these, I fear for us all. What in the world would be so wrong with his serving as a loyal but inspiring and principled VP for 8 years in a Clinton administration, and then taking over for 8 more years when the nation will need his leadership, skills, and yes EXPERIENCE even more than it does now. Who knows, Hillary might even choose to assure her legacy by stepping down after one term and turning a tight ship over to him.
Mr. Obama is the Titanic streaming full speed ahead for the iceberg being floated silently to meet him by our friends who sank John Kerry's campaign so quickly and inexpensively. It is Obama's meteoric rise and lack of experience at this time that makes him so especially vulnerable.
mike in honolulu