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Vets Break Silence on War Crimes
SAN FRANCISCO - U.S. veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are planning to descend on Washington from Mar. 13-16 to testify about war crimes they committed or personally witnessed in those countries."The war in Iraq is not covered to its potential because of how dangerous it is for reporters to cover it," said Liam Madden, a former Marine and member of the group Iraq Veterans Against the War. "That's left a lot of misconceptions in the minds of the American public about what the true nature of military occupation looks like."
Iraq Veterans Against the War argues that well-publicised incidents of U.S. brutality like the Abu Ghraib prison scandal and the massacre of an entire family of Iraqis in the town of Haditha are not the isolated incidents perpetrated by "a few bad apples", as many politicians and military leaders have claimed. They are part of a pattern, the group says, of "an increasingly bloody occupation".
"The problem that we face in Iraq is that policymakers in leadership have set a precedent of lawlessness where we don't abide by the rule of law, we don't respect international treaties, so when that atmosphere exists it lends itself to criminal activity," argues former U.S. Army Sergeant Logan Laituri, who served a tour in Iraq from 2004 to 2005 before being discharged as a conscientious objector.
Laituri told IPS that precedent of lawlessness makes itself felt in the rules of engagement handed down by commanders to soldiers on the front lines. When he was stationed in Samarra, for example, he said one of his fellow soldiers shot an unarmed man while he walked down the street.
"The problem is that that soldier was not committing a crime as you might call it because the rules of engagement were very clear that no one was supposed to be walking down the street," he said. "But I have a problem with that. You can't tell a family to leave everything they know so you can bomb the shit out of their house or their city. So while he definitely has protection under the law, I don't think that legitimates that type of violence."
Iraq Veterans Against the War is calling the gathering "Winter Soldier," after a quote from the U.S. revolutionary Thomas Paine, who wrote in 1776: "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman."
Organisers say video and photographic evidence will also be presented, and the testimony and panels will be broadcast live on Satellite TV and streaming video on ivaw.org.
Winter Soldier is modeled on a similar event held by Vietnam Veterans 37 years ago.
In 1971, over 100 members of Vietnam Veterans Against the War gathered in Detroit to share their stories with fellow citizens. Atrocities like the My Lai massacre had ignited popular opposition to the war, but political and military leaders insisted that such crimes were isolated exceptions.
"Initially even the My Lai massacre was denied," notes Gerald Nicosia, whose book "Home to War" provides the most exhaustive history of the Vietnam veterans' movement.
"The U.S. military has traditionally denied these accusations based on the fact that 'this is a crazy soldier' or 'this is a malcontent' -- that you can't trust this person. And that is the reason that Vietnam Veterans Against the War did this unified presentation in Detriot in 1971."
"They brought together their bona fides and wore their medals and showed it was more than one or two or three malcontents. It was medal-winning, honored soldiers -- veterans in a group verifying what each other said to try to convince people that these charges cannot be denied. That people are doing these things as a matter of policy."
Nicosia says the 1971 Winter Soldier was roundly ignored by the mainstream media, but that it made an indelible imprint on those who were there.
Among those in attendance was 27-year-old Navy Lieutenant John Kerry, who had served on a Swift Boat in Vietnam. Three months after the hearings, Nicosia notes, Kerry took his case to Congress and spoke before a jammed Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Television cameras lined the walls, and veterans packed the seats.
"Many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia," Kerry told the committee, describing the events of the Winter Soldier gathering.
"It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit -- the emotions in the room, and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do."
In one of the most famous antiwar speeches of the era, Kerry concluded: "Someone has to die so that President Nixon won't be -- and these are his words -- 'the first president to lose a war'. We are asking Americans to think about that, because how do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"
Nicosia says U.S. citizens and veterans find themselves in a similar situation today.
"The majority of the American people are very dissatisfied with the Iraq war now and would be happy to get out of it. But Americans are bred deep into their psyches to think of America as a good country and, I think, much harder than just the hurdle of getting troops out of Iraq is to get Americans to realise the terrible things we do in the name of the United States."
Aaron Glantz has reported extensively from Iraq and on the treatment of U.S. soldiers when they return home. He is editor of the website www.warcomeshome.org and will be co-hosting Pacifica Radio's live broadcast of the Winter Soldier hearings from Mar. 14-16.
© 2008 Inter Press Service



82 Comments so far
Show AllLet's all hope that the media gives these people a fair shake and not just brush it off with one of Blitzer's "and that's what's happening right now".
Also, I hope none of these guys plans on running for office in the future so they can be labled traitors by anyone the press can dig up.
These people are very brave, and I hope the best for them.
Actually, I think they all should run for office and tell the truth about war. Wouldn't it be great if all the soldiers in Iraq got together and demanded to be sent to Afghanistan to finish the job or be sent home. Then again, I'm sure Blackwater members would probably just arrest them.
We had a nice show of support for these guys in Santa Cruz, Ca. last night.
Somebody update me ...did Romney's five sons join the Army or Marines to fight the terrorists over their so we don't have to fight em' over here.
As more and more see the light, more and more will leave the ranks, or as we civillians say, walk off the job.
No more cannon fodder for the merchants of death and war profiteering.
PAX
These guys coming forward shows their courage. Now instead of being lionized for telling the truth will be ruthlessly attacked by the fascist elite. When the story of Abu Ghrab first broke the only ones who were punished and demoted were the ones that came forward and told the truth.
The ones that lied were all protected and their carreers continued to advance. Criminals are the judges on these cases and the ones with the power to cover up and punish those who tell the truth. Our congress, spineless and confused does nothing thereby becoming accomplice's.
We should do what we can to protect the real heroe's [these men who have stepped forward] and punish the real culprits. [the ones who allow and cover up this activity]
I think this is really great, but there is something I don't understand. Are they testifying before congress or at their own convention? Also, which satellite TV station? If it's not before congress and if it's on a station like Free Speech TV (which is only carried on Dish network) their may not be any news coverage at all. I'm not puting FSTV down I'm just saying most people don't watch it, or can't. Does anyone know the answers to these questions? I would hate for the public to miss such an important event.
On a different subject Truthmonger is Soooo right about Blackwater. One of the often appearing commondreams writers (I don't remember who) appeared before congress to testify about Blackwater's brutality; this was just before Iraq asked Blackwater to leave. A soldier from Blackwater did a U-TUBE reply (a personal one not an official one), and he was NUTS. He kept going on about how when society falls he'd be the one with a gun robbing your garden instead of saying we don't commit war crimes. It was hard to understand what he was even trying to say.
Our soldiers have been victimized just like the Iraqis. They've been trained to hate and kill so when 9/11 came along it provided an excuse to lash out. The Iraqi were not responsible for 9/11, but became the scapegoats when war propaganda pushed the case for war and Big Media did nothing to scrutinize it.
There've been several incidents caught on video of murder of innocent Iraqis--this is nothing new. The larger issue for Americans is clearly the risks posed by untreated Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. The attitude of the military establishment reflects contempt for medical care--look no farther than Walter Reed and the neglect of returning veterans like Gerald Cassidy.
Just how long before some untreated veteran lights up your street or neighborhood? Now this isn't to say that the vast majority of veterans will be outstanding citizens upon their return. The ruling elite use the veterans then spit them out. They have no more concern for the health of our veterans than that of their pets.
Now if all the rah rah people would actually support the troops, they might be able to open their eyes to the scope of the problem. Instead, like Vietnam, PTSD is ignored, VA benefits curtailed, and surprise we have mentally ill veterans wandering homeless, untreated. If it's at all like Vietnam, veterans will have to literally fight for their medical care.
Here's what I wrote to an Iraq veteran on this issue:
I'd read recently about the death of Bill Davis, a solid
Chicago-based organizer for Vietnam Veterans Against
the War. That group (http://www.vvaw.org/) has a lot
of experience fighting the VA. Davis talked about his
brothers and sisters knowingly getting maced by VA
goons for peaceably trying to get the VA to address
vital veteran health care needs that were going
ignored.
The video of Bill Davis really showed me the toughness
of veteran activists. I watched Part 2 from 8/4/07.
taken just before his death. It is here:
http://www.vvaw.org/press/?id=744
Instead of investigating why Roger Clemens took steroids, Bush's whole presidency needs to be investigated, including our agression in Iraq and war crimes that US troops committed there and in Afghanistan.
The media is the monster.
Now THESE men are heroes!!!
Is is FSTV, my favorite station, 9415 on DISH that will be showing the testimonies live.
I just hope that the administration doesn't use the evidence to prosecute these soldiers for war crimes.
Support the troops. google votevet. Love my county more than you Repubs and DLC democrats. From those of us who are female, educated and young, I'm a bitch, won't sleep with you, Bush. Conversely, I'm a slut, will sleep with anybody but you, Bush McCain, Clinton. As for you Obama, prove to me your're not an 18 year old infantry grunt. Nader, fight the good fight, let em know what they're not getting for their buck. Since VA hospitals suck, single payer looks good. Forgive me for being a whole lot PTSD here in Anbar.
Great work fellows. You have my whole-hearted support. But I still think we have had our last election. The neo-cons have everthing in place to declare MATRIAL LAW thus cancell the elections and give the world notice they are in charge. GOD I HOPE I'M WRONG.
Today's soldier is a propaganda tool for the bush adminstration. They flash some picture of a "battle hardened" soldier somewhere in a desert and say "Tell HIM that you don't support him!". Even more rediculous is the paranoid statement "You're with us or with the terrorists!"
We constantly see people that are supposed to be fighting against the 'war' go weak kneed and cave in when someone says "Well you support our troops don't you?". They give up because they have NO CLUE what "Supporting the troops" means.
The best way I can think of to "Screw the troops" is to send them off to an illegal, immoral conflict after filling them with lies. Afterward, using them as a propaganda tool and trying to get people to glorify their status of "defending America" (which they aren't doing)
All America has done for the last 6 years is screw their troops.
We all know that war crimes are being committed. The entire campaign is a war crime. See the following link to the Rome Stature of the Internation Criminal Court (Part 2 Article 8 Para 2) to see just how many War Crimes have already been committed and are STILL being committed. Here's the link: http://untreaty.un.org/cod/icc/statute/romefra.htm
Hats off to the brave winter soldiers. This is the kind of troop I like to support.
Keep talking guys. Name names. Insist that the children of privilege answer to you personally for not giving you the gear you needed.
What is going on in Iraq is called genocide not war. Until that correction is made to the discussion, everything else said will remain non-contextual and therefore largely nonsensical.
The US is building an elaborate infrastructure in Iraq to bolster its long term interests in the Middle East.
The Euro/US alliance controlled Iraq during Saddam's tenure and before. The 'invasion' was to decimate a society under the pretext of war.
And what is happening in Iraq is genocide of ALL former systems; social, political, economic, etc. What is planned when this phase is over will be a rebuild effort.
There is absolutely no difference between our involvement in Iraq and the extermination of the American Indians prior to establishing the 'free' country of the US or what occurred in the Philippines and so many other places around the globe.
Iraq is simply the victim of an aggressive program of genocide. The ruling elite have always used this sort of tactic to destroy and then rebuild. And, the justifications for genocidal programs are always false, such as 9/11.
Anyone who considers what is happening in Iraq to be a 'war' is completely deceived. Who is fighting? Only those trained and armed by Euro and US dollars on both sides. Wake up and smell the blood! And stop supporting a 'war' machine that is really the same old elitist paradigm that practices widespread and specifically focused genocides to maintain its worldwide dominance.
The last paragraph of this article explains exactly what is wrong with people in the US, and why is so easy to lie to them. I've never met a more naive population.
Finally! Torture experts. They should have no trouble getting jobs at the IRS or running Tasers for Corrections Corporation of America.
Reminds me of the war crimes that occured in the Tiger Force massacre story from the Vietnam War that the Toledo Blade won a Pulitzer prize for in 2003 for unearthing the story that the US Army was denying to the public - kept being buried in the Army's archives since 1975.
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999/SRTIGERFORCE/110190136
To everyone in on this discussion: Please support these brave veterans with your $$ for publicity and travel expenses. And, please tell everyone you know. To learn about how to view the hearings live, please visit the Iraq Veterans Against the War website - www.ivaw.org. Also, please visit www.5yearstoomany.org.
"The majority of the American people are very dissatisfied with the Iraq war now and would be happy to get out of it. But Americans are bred deep into their psyches to think of America as a good country and, I think, much harder than just the hurdle of getting troops out of Iraq is to get Americans to realise the terrible things we do in the name of the United States."
Sad, but SO TRUE!
ladybug,
Sometimes I see the US as the war machine for most of Western Europe, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand as these countries' economies work together in the so-called free market model. The Iraq war is for the long term control of oil and the world economy (India and China)...and the US population can theoretically vote into office a President that can work for peace. That didn't happen in 2000 nor 2004 when George Bush lost both elections. So even though it appears that the american population is naive...I think that they are being duped by forces more powerful than governments. The only way out is to overhall the entire system and to put more check and balances into it. Also, the UN security council should include more countries in the permanent council because US, UK and France always vote for war.
I see where one of the British Royal children is front line
Afganistan. To paraphrase that fabulously erudite journalist, Greg Schuster, who's pimping the Bush twins?
peaceman February 29th, 2008 12:51 pm
"Somebody update me …did Romney's five sons join the Army or Marines to fight the terrorists over their so we don't have to fight em' over here."
peaceman,
As I recall, when someone asked him a similar question about his sons service, Romney implied that his sons were also doing America and Americans a great service by working hard on his campaign to get him elected as the next President of this country. I remember laughing when he answered the question.
Demerara,
You have a good point. And yeah, we need a truly democratic Security Council.
It isn't just the delusion that the US is also good: it's also the engrained trust in and admiration for the US warrior which makes Americans blink at these atrocities. And it is just the same in the UK, where Hero Harry is lauded for calling in airstrikes to blow Afghans to smithereens. Even in the barbaric code of the warrior, calling in someone else to destroy your opponent at a distance is hardly heroic. But heaven forfend we Brits should ever suggest that men in uniform are really boys hooked on the excitement of danger and the resulting adrenalin rush, and that such boys readily commit crimes of violence in the sadistic anarchy that is war. Two thousand years after Christ, it is still the soldier and not the christian who is venerated.
I'm sure many of you know that there is a video called The Winter Soldier about the Vietnam vets testifying to what they had witnessed and what they themselves had actually done. Even half-way through I wasn't sure if I could listen to any more of it. I was overwhelmed with horror and sadness for what was done to the Vietnamese people, and for the young men for what they had done and for what they had become. Sadistic, perverted, pshychopaths. Most of them will be deeply disturbed the rest of their lives. Many took their own lives. And the denial machine was churning out spin in the media at that time - just like now.
And yes, the video shows Kerry making that famous speech.
I was haunted for weeks. I could not get the images out of my mind.
War is insanity. (no, I don't consider Iraq a war - it was an invasion and it is now an occupation)
"Romney implied that his sons were also doing America and Americans a great service by working hard on his campaign to get him elected as the next President of this country."
Yeah, Gail- that line by Willard Romney cracked me up, too. What an ASS. Loved that line about the "children of priviledge" and their "support of the troops (None)" as well! Oh that they get their due reward for what they have done.
Who doesn't know an Iraq Vet with horror stories? The media is a million miles away from reality.
The rules of engagement basically says, "Shoot first, and ask questions later."
Genocide for oil.
Beyond the obvious crimes, we the American People owe so much to our armed services, regardless of what was done by them.
The heroes of old times are no longer even close to what our reality has morphed into, and where John Wayne "did it" for the 60s, these pro-peace and pro-civil rights marchers are this millennium's new heroes.
The soldiers are but a tool of the Prez, and he (and his staff) are the one who are responsible and answerable (to America & the rest of the Universe) for the war crimes, atrocities, and beyond understanding excesses of zeal.
Especially since, his "mandate" was an illegal act of stealing the election in the first place - otherwise those of the "majority" might carry themselves the taint of the criminal acts. With the power to impeach wrestled to the table, through illegal corporate domination of the mass mis-media, along with direct Anthrax death threats upon the Dem's leaders and newspapers -- we common Americans have been victimized by a usurper demagogue whose lying murderous thuglicans have stolen trillions of dollars from where they rightfully are needed and owed.
We need to take justice into our hands, and take back our money, and add another 1% (if necessary) to that overloaded prison population, those who directly profited knowingly from the crimes against humanity.
Namaste
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It would have been far better if these people had thought about what they were going to do before they went to Iraq. There is nothing surprising about what a soldier learns, and what is expected. The basic fact that you are told several times a day is that it is your job to "find them, fix them and kill them." Finding the" enemy" is not difficult; it is any one not in the same uniform as you. Killing them turns whoever or whatever they are into one thing: an insurgent. These former troppers knew this and yet they went. Suppose they had, instead, adhered to the old song "suppose they gave a war and nobody came." They would not now have to regret what they did or saw others do.
The media is the monster, says Stiv.
No, humans are the monsters, Stiv. They are the ones who carry out the torturing and the killing and most of them enjoy it. It's part of our nature, Stiv, an unfortunate part but we have to own it whether we like it or not.
The only way I can see that human nature will change is to tinker with the genes, get rid of those faulty components which make us so destructive and brutal.
If we don't, eventually we'll destroy ourselves.
www.dangerouscreation.com
Iraq Veterans Against the War
Well my brothers, what you are doing is a hopeful start in the healing process - your actions are the part of the process where conscious ownership of aligning with the darkness in ourselves that brought harm to others is acknowledged publicly.
There will be much work to do as the nation seems to cling to denial of the horrors we have engaged in in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Hey hey everybody... If you're even reading this article you know how much these men and women have put their asses on the line... Now they're home to save others from the same fate... And in doing so are putting their necks in jeopardy of the Bush Samuri teams... How about we quit wishing and hoping for the media to cover it and write them and ASK that it be covered ???? Someone out there knows all the big hitter's email addresses... Don't you??? If not, we dig and put them on here, or just dig em up for our own uses. These people need US to GET INVOLVED... Not just watch like we've been doing....
And for you David.... This IS about genetics. Evolution. But unlike the movies and TV, it doesn't happen in a 90 minute brain fart... These folks will help change our consciousness a cell at a time... Just like walking on our flippers for a few hundred thousand years gave us toenails for better traction....
God Bless these veterans who tell the truth. THEY are the true patriots and not the lying politicians and their followers who are soiling the flag day by day.
I SUPPORT THESE TROOPS who are the True Americans --- and True HUMAN BEINGS that can see right from wrong and have the courage to stand up for justice and decency. They love this country so much that they are willing to point out where things have gone horribly wrong. I have the utmost respect for them.
Yeah, it's so true that OUR TROOPS were used and abused for the empirical and greedy gains of our corporate oil vampires. I was mad as hell when I first saw they were using our troops to go in and get oil. Still am! The person who said our troops are as much a victim as everyone else is right. bush and cheney and the rest care NOTHING for these troops. NOTHING. And those people with their torn flags and magnets on their SUV's care NOTHING for the troops. It's all a scam. A big scam, and OUR TROOPS have paid with their lives and sanities and souls.
David Grayling, if you're reading this: My guess is that this topic is huge and that, in some cases, genetics do play a role. So, too, does what we've been TAUGHT. As an example, a soldier is taught to shoot, kill, etc. If these things came naturally to us, we'd know how to do them from infancy on -- but don't. This, to me, says something very hopeful about the human species, i.e., what if we were taught to do no harm instead?
And what makes for truly wise individuals and true role models of human potential? What has that person done to be wise, or what have some people done to be extraordinary and principled human beings?
It's my understanding and experience that it's the CHOICE an individual makes that's a problem or not. For example, it's a choice to be selfish or not. What does the individual choose? Selfishness or generosity? It's a choice to exercise personal restraint or not. What does the person choose? It's a choice to step out with courage, or generate an excuse. What does the person choose? It's a choice to believe X or not. Does the person choose to believe it or not? A person can be honest or dishonest. What does the person choose?... etc. Each of us has made a bazillion choices and, if we look carefully and take responsibility, we can see that we've individually and collectively reaped the consequences of those choices, too
-- positive and negative. In my experience, the good news is that if an individual makes better choices, the consequences are often much better, too.
Some people have said that ignorance, too, is a choice. I don't HAVE TO be stupid.
Yeah, tomorrow the IVAW will be marching from Independence Hall to Valley Forge, us old folks, me only old woman, and many men from Vietnam, of whom one is a good pal gave testimony in 'WINTER SOLDIER I', will march the final 2 miles.
They are being threatened of course, if anyone is near Philly at 9:15 AM see ya. Go to IVAW.org, T-Shirts, donations, hotel rooms, transportation, these women and men are paying $12oo/day to give TRUTH.
Didn't you know that this would all unfold? Did you really think attacking an Islamic nation would reduce terrorism? Did you really believe that removing a dictator in Iraq wouldn't hand power to the fundamentalists? Has any occupying force in the middle of an opposing hornets nest ever prevailed? Wasn't it obvious before it all started that the soldiers would be magnets for anti-Western hatred and would commit atrocities as a natural reaction?
France did. The UN did. And I think a lot of us did but we lacked a voice - Britany Speers said it was the way to go and the media were right on board.
It's 'Crimes against Humanity' time and don't let Murdock get away.
This takes bigger cojones than killing for fun and profit.
Come a Christmas morn, may I find that dear old Santa has
has rendered Murdock in manicles to a federal prison convicted of treason.
Everyone of you federal tax payers is KNOWINGLY contributing to this egregious crime against humanity.
http://www.myspace.com/russiansidereddawn
A solution to stop paying federal taxes is to save up enough to start a nonprofit, work as CEO of your nonprofit paying yourself less than is taxable, setup your nonprofit to provide to the needy what the rest is of what you need apart from what you pay yourself as Chief Executive of your nonprofit.
You'll get laid like soldout Nader as head of your own nonprofit organization. It's all about applying for federal grants to pay employees a decent though under taxable wage, get them tax deductible fund raising and provide for them out of the nonprofit organizations funds what they need that their salaries don't afford them.
This article is essentially about Iraq War Veterans justifying accepting illegal orders to gun down unarmed men with the least investigatory practice. Most of whom are carrying these orders out then celebrating the human splatter, especially when they're in not much danger at all. I've found much video evidence to support this statement. I've personally received correspondence from Iraq War Veterans stating their enjoying killing and promising to kill for the sake of spiting my antiwar sentiment. That the Veterans against the war are less than a tenth of a percent of the military currently accepting orders from a convicted war criminal speaks to their least introspection of their present obvious criminality.
That this gang of criminal murderers be brought to the US and continue gun empowered and unprosecuted is par for the war ending course as is the well expected spike in the murder rate America will suffer for embracing these careless than to question murder, murderers.
I see bringing these men home unprosecuted as a setup to establish positional unity with the nuclear target population that is the most militantly advanced nation on Earth, the USA.
I read of Marines who accepted and carried out orders to murder an entire village in Afghanistan. Anyone who knows the least bit about the assault of Fallujah knows the extent of the criminality which has been carried out on the Iraqi population. These brute, murderous, "50 caliber weapon wielding from cool truck", criminals are the people who will be called to police America in a police state. They have been murdering impoverished foreigners without question for years.
The American Public will never see this! During the Super Bowl which was viewed by 94% of the U.S., CBS-60 Minutes had a documentary entitled "Fathers, Sons and Brothers". It was the personal stories about soldiers in these illegal wars. Since only 6% of the domestic TV audience were not viewing the Super Bowl, the media knew no one would be watching.
As long as our politicians keep taking their orders from the most powerful God fearing/hating nation on earth (Israel) nothing will change!
Gail,
Thanks for answering. I said it as a joke knowing full well Romney's "patriotic sons" would not go into the armed forces. Typical Republicans, willing to sacrifice 'other people's kids' to commit murder and mayhem, while they profit in the stock market of the death and destruction industries. Managing those portfolios is a full time job. Ask 'Shotgun Dick Cowboy' who managed to avoid the draft in peacetime as he had more important things to do.
I'm waiting for the day when our military personnel decide "30 pieces of silver" isn't worth it, and just walk off the job. Another reminder of an historical fact. Look up 'the Christmas Truce of 1914' and pass the word around.
Peace, Harmony, Compassion, Understanding, and real brotherhood around the globe. It's 2008 AD, not BC.
None of these guys will be able to run for president and win. There will be some group called "Abu Ghraib Guards for Truth" that will smear any veteran opposing this war.